Is this the Dark Souls of JRPGs?

>>385007015
It's the Dark Souls of Persona games

>>385007015
But Dark Souls is itself a JRPG

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>>385007015
>the RPG for the GTA generation
What did they mean by that?

>>385007015
But what is the Dark Souls of Dark Souls of JRPGs ?

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>>385007015
No, this is.

But seriously, Nocturne is just Nocturne. It doesn't need to be compared to Souls to have an understanding that it's difficult. I'm curious why Souls became the go-to comparison of difficulty for the last few gens. Did people before claim hard games were "The Lost Levels of [genre]"?

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>>385007416
>an OST that is easily forgotten as a standalone piece
Fuck that, post dem tunes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz-3ZuqLQg8

>>385007416
Its a meme you dip

>>385007416
>I'm curious why Souls became the go-to comparison of difficulty for the last few gens. Did people before claim hard games were "The Lost Levels of [genre]"?
Because that generation is literally the first gaming generation for vast majority of these plebs, be it normies jumping on bandwagon since videogames are "hip" now, or just underages and their baby first console and hard game.

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>>385007416
Souls isn't actually hard, it's just an average difficulty game devoid of hand holding. Which might as well be rocket science to casuals. Remember when Disgaea 1 got a PC port and there were floods of threads about how people were getting stomped by Midboss in chapter 1? Those are the same kinds of people who think Dark Souls is hard. Because they never played a game that inconvenienced them slightly before, they're under the impression that being able to lose is a new thing.

Persona 3 was unironically more difficult than Nocturne

>>385007657
Hold my beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzkTQPyhmY

SMT is great, i with i knew it existed when i had my PS2.
Im emulating Digital Devil Saga right now and i havent had this much fun in a while.

>>385007015
The game we have to thank for kickstarting the Atlus golden age of jrpgs on the ps2. It's assets allowed for the creation of DDS, Persona 3 and Raidou.

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>>385007760
>Persona 3 was unironically more difficult than Nocturne

>>385007657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhpFGmmUMU

>>385007760
>game with a literal weakness chart harder than Nocturne
kys

>>385007935
And Persona 5 is kickstarting the upcoming Atlus HD Golden Age.
Literally all the models we saw in SMT HD trailer except the new Odin are from P5.

>>385007416
kek, SMT IV is easy because of the save in all place, classic SMT is the shit.

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>>385007657
My man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG2ikOeXkyU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtRzDYYBuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQshvU18RDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrx1sZYgp7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MTGAvcngM

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>>385007657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc
best overworld theme in SMT

>>385007760
The only hard bosses of P3 were that stupid balance late in the game and the last boss.

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>>385007015
When will the Dark Souls meme end? Like Souls didn't even do anything new... It just copied NES/SNES era shit and became popular with all the "hardcore guiz" because everyone else had moved on from that shit.

I liked Dark Souls before it was compared to everything else and every game was judged by shitty youtubers on how it's "too forgiving" or "not HARDCORE enough" because it's not like Dark Souls. Shit, now I just want Dark Souls to die and fade from existence. It's more hurtful to gaming than it ever was helpful.

>>385009071
THE ARCANA IS THE MEANS BY WHICH ALL IS REVEALED

Also, it's not even hard, it's just extremely fucking tedious.

>>385009330
you're a whiny faggot

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>>385007015

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Where should i start if ive never played SMT or persona before?

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>>385009702
SMT1, Nocturne, IV, Digital Devil Saga or Persona 3.

>>385007416
>shitmegami tensei IV
>hard
>when you could save fucking anywhere

No toddler no, a game being hard in smt doesnt mean boss only and lets not mention the smirk system shit is easy after the minotaur.

>>385007015
its the megamanx6 of jrpg's

>>385009702
Nocturne is a fine starting point. It's not even difficult that's a huge fucking meme

>>385007015
Dark Souls is a jrpg

>>385009895
IV has a reverse difficulty curve. The start is pretty hard with very lacking resources and the bullshit negotiation, but once you get to Tokyo it's casual shit

Also IV's bosses outside of Minotaur and Medusa aren't even hard, IV:A and SJ have harder ones

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>>385009702
SMTIV is a great starting place if you have 3DS.

>>385009998
>It's not even difficult that's a huge fucking meme
>What is puzzle boy

Beat that shit without a guide.

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>>385008881

Where the fuck am I going: The song

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>>385007416
>is index dead
What did he mean by this?

>>385009071
Conversely, the only hard boss in Nocturne is the True Demon final boss.

>>385007015
Playing this at the moment. I generally suck at games and play on easy when I can, but this is quite easy so far when you know to just learn the weaknesses and use buffs/debuffs
Does it get harder later on?

>>385009447
Get Siegfried and you kill a form/attack but the last one.

>>385007246
It's a Japanese Action RPG. Well I guess you can call it a JRPG but that's basically not what it is

>>385007760
I agree. Nocturne on Normal is easier than Persona 3 on Normal. Playing through Nocturne right now and regular encounters as well as bosses are way less threatening.

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>>385010227
I've never bothered fusing shit properly and just went with whatever demons I liked visually.
And then I've decided to complete DLC missions, but I couldn't beat any of them aside of the first archangel one. What the fuck? All my demons are getting oneshotted? They're worthless if I don't get Life Surge and bunch of Repels?

>>385010483
There are some difficulty spikes, but overall the game is pretty easy.

>>385010467
>comparing purseowner bosses to smt

>>385010483
>Does it get harder later on?

No
If you're doing the True Demon ending the Labyrinth of Amala and the final bosses are kinda ass, but that's about it.

>>385010978
It's the truth, you elitist piece of shit.

>>385010554
what
A JRPG is simply that, a Japanese RPG. Dark Souls is a JRPG
Unless you're trying to make the distinction of Action RPGs and Turn-based RPGs.
but JRPG is in no way synonymous with turn-based RPG

>>385011179
i played both so i'd know

>>385011109
I'm not even looking at which ending I'm doing. Just trying to play through it as blind as possible.

>>385007015
>reputation for being hard
>actually broken as fuck with dozens of ways to become OP as fuck
>great atmosphere
>vague story that contextualizes a metaphysical plot
>emphasis on challenging bosses
>has a bunch of secrets that require effort to find

Pretty much, yeah.

>>385010554
>Japanese Action RPG
Sounds like Tales and Kingdom Hearts, which people call JRPGs

>>385007336
M-Rated was codeword for cool in the early 2000s.

>get War Cry + Fog Breath
>win

Nocturne's difficulty is very overrated. The only way I'd consider Nocturne to be really difficult is if you never fused a MP charge demon (i.e. Daisoujou). If you did, the game becomes a cakewalk since the main difficulty comes from MP/resource management in the dungeons.

Even the true demon route final boss isn't that hard if you have Pierce on your demons.

>>385011640
>Pierce on your demons
You don't even need that. Pierce on just Demifiend is fine.

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>>385011640
not too hard nard not too easy just the way i like it

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>>385011878
and*
shit

>>385011357
>challenging bosses
What bosses are challenging you can pretty much blow through everything once you het divine shot and once you get spiral viper/Freikugel every boss becomes a slightly longer encounter.
I never got why people say nocturne is hard the only hard part was the begining when you don't have any reliable means to get mp back, but that can ve mitigated once you get a demon with mana lift and healing spells.

>>385011217
You are just not right, Souls isn't a JRPG series

>>385010467
>Lucifer
>hard
He barely does shit.
The Four Devas are by far the hardest bosses.

>>385007015
whats a dark souls of the drk souls?

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>>385010554
Japanese Action RPGs are still JRPGs
Actually, the Japanese invented Action RPGs in the early 80s and Japanese Action RPGs predate Japanese turnbased RPGs

>>385007575
A Souls game featuring Dante would be nice

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>>385007246
>>385010554
So it's a JARPG!

>>385010554
jap menu rpgs wouldn't exist without jap action rpgs

Nocturne becomes "press Meditation to win" once you get Daisoujou.

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its pretty damn easy if you know how to fuse shit

>>385012573
only one of the devas is hard and that is Bishamon

>Dark souls
Cancer

>>385013714
>all these worthless low cost -kaja spells that anyone could use just as well when you can slap Tetra-/Makarakarn on him and cheese the game completely

>>385013714
how late do you get this shit?

>>385013714
>all those kajas
All you really need is Tarukaja + Debilitate and that's all you'll ever need for buffs/debuffs
or do what >>385013884 this guy said.
Rest is fine.

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>>385007015
Well it's nowhere near as difficult or fun as people make it out to be, so I'd say you're spot on.

>>385013934
Daisoujou is lv37 and he carries hard with his default skills and some buffs

>>385013934
go to the Labyrinth of Amala, loot some floaty-cubes, get some dusty old rocks, fuse some faggot demons that have the skills you want, fuse them on the EXACT moon phase to get the Fiend you want, grind to infinity for skills + stats.

>>385007015
Dark Souls is the Dark Souls of JRPGs.

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>>385013934
fairly early at level 37
the fun part is getting all of those skills on him

>>385014448
>Iron Claw
What, forgot to get Hassohappa? Deathbound?

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Beating the shit out of gods.

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>>385014535
she cannot get those
Phys skills are limited to the demon, if they claws, weapons are non of those

>>385010467
Lucifer's not hard just tedious.

Shin YHVH or Mem Aleph are more in line with very hard battles that move along quickly.

>>385014535
Iron Claw is actually the best single target physical attack demons get access to. Marin Karin, Mana Bonus, and Pester and pretty what though

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>>385014658
I extremely approve of this Oberon

>>385014107
>>385014159
>>385014448
gotta go read up on fusing i guess. just started playing and it's all a bit confusing. thanks guys

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>>385014710
well should comes with three starting skills which I can only get rid of via moves she learns, those skills are the she has
Although pester was a mistake, should of kept stun needle
>>385014774
How about his wife?

>>385014918
>no Boost skill
I get that you want her to be versatile but that literally means nothing when Phys is the prime-time death-dealing element here.

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What are some good skills for black frost I am thinking of pierce, hades blast and focus, I thought of putting deathbound on him too, but I heard that isn't that.good for him?

>>385015318
I don't think he gets Deathbound, anyway.
Pierce is mandatory if you want to carry him to Lucifer.

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>>385015448
What is a good single hit skill for him?
I already best lucy with Dante, a daisoujou I made right before the fight and toot and none of them had pierce.
I just want to make a really good BF

>>385007015
No, Nocturne is the Demon's Souls of JRPG.

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>>385015821
>already beat lucy with Dante
guess your Demi was doing all the heavy-lifting
merely a suggestion, but having Pierce on demons makes that fight finish JUST a bit quicker, since you'll be shitting on him with more than 1 damage source. Like some other anon said, Iron Claw is the strongest single-target skill available to demons.
also mandatory Debilitate + 1 kaja of your choice because debuffs are king.

>>385016126
Toot and daisoujou already have debilitate and 1 or 2 kajas so there is that.
Dante did help though with his high crit attacks.

I think souls is great in idea with terrible execution. Bloodborne solved this.

Persona 5 is great in idea with terrible execution. Tokyo Mirrage Sessions nearly fixed it.

Persona 5 is the souls equivalent in smt.

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why does every nocturne thread break down into scrubs who play on normal and people who think they've transcended yhvh because they figured out how to abuse the game

>>385008881
I fucking hate apocalypse but even I can admit that games Tokyo theme is 1000% improved over what I thought was already perfection.

>>385009895
>saving anywhere makes the game automatically easier

Then the difficulty was shit, to begin with.

>>385016314
Well give him Tetrakarn/Makarakarn then. Or Dekaja/Dekunda if none of your other demons don't carry those.

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>>385011640
>The only way I'd consider Nocturne to be really difficult is if you never fused a MP charge demon (i.e. Daisoujou)

Daisoujou carried my ass until I figured out how to adequately do fusions. I spent the first 15-20 hours of the game not realizing you could re-pick the fusion to see which skills would cycle over thinking that it was set in stone.

>>385007015
>hear how Nocturne is hard
>decide to play it
>reach Matador
>kill him 2nd try

It's pretty fucking confirmed that the overall JRPG community is mentally challenged.

That and the fact that most people go "BAWWW I NEED TO GRIND TO PROGRESS" yeah you need to grind if you fucked your planning up or you had no plan as to what the fuck do you need to carry with you to have a well-formed team of demons.

Grinding is the price you pay for being an incompetent braintard. The majority of JRPG's aren't inherently grindy.

>>385016972
well, most JRPG fans are used to the idea of steam-rolling trash mobs and bosses alike because they don't expect the game to make them actually think. When a game that features actual factual builds and choice in progression, they fumble about being fucking clueless as to what just happened. Meeting Matador made people think for once in their JRPG lives (or just a quick wiki/googlefu and remain retarded forever).

>>385016492
PS2 babbies

>>385010227
That's literally every rpg though.
You always hit tipping point sooner or later and then can breeze through.

>>385014019
Fuck off meatslut Dark Souls is GOAT

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Nocturne is such a disappointment
No wonder Okada left right after and the quality has been in decline ever since

>>385016492
well, playing on higher difficulties, all it really does is make the player at a disadvantage because the enemy has magically increased numbers while the player gets nothing. No new AI or anything. Just bigger numbers. That's not really difficult.

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Where is he? He's been m.i.a. for years

>>385007246
>>385010554
You're both horribly wrong. JRPG is a style of RPG —basically, dumbed-down Wizardry and Ultima hybrids to appeal to the casual audience. Dark Souls, however, is simply not an RPG. It's an action game similar to Western titles such as Blade of Darkness. So, it's stylistically Western, and mechanically an action game.

>>385018134
Developing mobile trash

>>385018290
still incorporates heavy RPG elements such as character progression and making your own story (kind of, since your character is silent and you can insert whatever the fuck goes on in their heads)

>>385017991
AI in a turn based game? what would they do? make them target weaker characters even harder?

increased numbers is literally the only way to increase turn based difficulty

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What SMT game (incl spin-offs) has the best fusion system?

>>385019058
IV:A. Affinities are cool shit

>>385017991
except that normal is the american baby version, and hard is the intended difficulty the game is balanced around

>>385018290
Wrong.

>>385012120
It literally says that it's an action rpg on From's website, you turd

>still arguing about the definition of JRPGs

o i am laffin

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>people still spout the "nocturne is gud" meme

Let's compare Nocturne to what most people say is the best RPG ever made: Deus Ex.

Nocturne requires you to fight very single damn thing including the shitty bosses. Deus Ex doesn't requires any violence, allowing you to play the game at your own pace.

Deus Ex gives you freedom of choice in every regard, ranging from story choices to how you navigate the levels. Nocturne gives you the former, but not the latter since you have to follow a predetermined path.

Expanding on this, Deus Ex also has multiple solutions to every problem, meaning that no two playthroughs are the same. Nocturne may allow for more freedom than most JRPGs (i.e talking to demons), but it still has the potential to be as linear as it's contemporaries.

Let's look at obtaining the pass from the collector in the sewers just before the Matador fight for example. In order to obtain the pass you need so the guard at the gate will let you through, you need to get it from the collector. He'll give you it if you help him find a 1 Yen bill. Obtaining this bill requires you to break into the back room of a bar and steal it.

The problem with this is that this is the only method to get past the gate. I'm the fucking Demi-Fiend, so why can't I just beat the shit out of the gate guard or collector so I can get what I want? Why can't I buy the one yen bill from the bar owner for a reasonable price? Why can't I find a fake bill to give the collector?

Deus Ex, and most other RPGs, would let you do these things because an RPG is about player expression. Nocturne's single approach however, is just this: linear, contrived bullshit.

>>385013714
>No Makatora
It's shit

>>385008032
>Game with literal demon recruitment harder than persona 3

>>385020802
I don't care about that stuff. I want to run around desert naked fusing and punching demons.

Kingdom Hearts 2 FM critical mode lvl 1 is the dark souls of jrpg. Especially the 2.5 remaster.

>>385007015
Nocturne is one of the most overrated games I have ever played.

>>385018965
Make the enemies stop hitting the same resistances over and over again.

>>385024793
83 on metacritic is pretty fair. But yeah, /v/ overrates it.

For a jRPG it barely has any story, interesting characters, and settings. People like its "dungeon" design, and there was some autist shitting Persona 5 threads saying that P5 has shit dungeons for a MegaTen game.

>>385025545
You Barry have any interesting character

>>385011381
you think dark souls and kingdom hearts are similar enough to be in the same genre?

>>385026681
Yeah given they are in the same genre.

>>385020074
>hard is the intended difficulty the game is balanced around

That's bullshit.