Is Kotor 2 better than Kotor 1?

>>385004617
With the restored content mod, yes.

Without the restored content mod, again, yes.

>>385004818
And how is the third game (the MMO)?

>>385004617
No. With or without mods.

Also, when a game is only good without mods, it isn't good. 2 is buggy, unfinished shit and even if you mod it, it has a worse cast and writing than 1. But the Sith trio draws edgelords like moths to a flame.

>>385005046
fuck you

>>385005092
>mods
it's an unofficial patch you retard

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>>385005092
>2 has worse writing than 1

BioCucks don't deserve to breathe

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Yes, the writing is leagues better and feels like Obsidian actually had something to critique about George's good/bad portrayal of force users. The characters are better written then before as well, Kreia is amazing whether you like her or not, the Exile deals with bigger dilemmas than Revan (who, lets fucking face it, was a Mary Sue), and it intelligently sets up a bigger threat for KOTOR 3 without instantly shitting all over itself, kind of like Bioware could do in games like Mass Effect before they got taken over by talentless people.

That's not to say that KOTOR1 is bad, it's just pretty childish at times. One thing that the first game definitely has over the second is the amount of polish, 2's development was rushed and it shows in certain locations. The patch helps it immensely though.

>>385005046
It's an MMO. That should be enough to tell you how it is.

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>>385005092
>it has a worse cast and writing than 1

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>>385005046
It's an MMO by EA and BioWare. Enough said?

>>385004617
Depends on what you mean by better.

KOTOR 1 is a better Star Wars game. It perfectly captures that sense of grand adventure and heroic daring that is so characteristic of the original films and classic adventure stories more broadly.

KOTOR 2 has much better gameplay, deeper mechanics, and a more philosophical story. It's a deep and very interesting delve into the lore and philosophy of Star Wars which questions the simplistic Good vs Evil worldview of Star Wars and human society more broadly.

Apart from 2 having clearly superior gameplay mechanics, it's hard to say that one is better than the other. They're two very different types of stories which happen to be set in the same universe and it just depends on what you're looking for.

>>385005046
Treating it as a single player game, just to play through the class stories, it's passable. Other than that it's just a bad wow clone.

>>385005046
back when it came out (plus during the first expansion) it was a decent WoW clone with much worse raiding and world but with writing on the Imperial side having its good moments and better graphics so it was a fair trade

difficulty level was on WoTLK level so mostly faceroll with some challenging content

nowadays its an absolute piece of shit cash shop simulator with even the old vanilla content being butchered by nerfing everything into the ground (your companion solos bosses by itself), stay away from it

2 is garbage compared to 1
>b-but muh mods
Thats the story with every obsidian game.
What a garbage game company

It's better written and has better gameplay.

that said, it is not even close to as fun as being Dark Side in the first game. In KotOR2 being Dark Side just made you feel like a mild dick.
In the first game you are a full Hitler mode moustache twirling villain and most of the results of what you do is played for dark comedy. It's so fun. And Dark Side is just better than Light for gameplay anyways.

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Is there a way to be a sith without being a retarded 13 years old edgelord? I hate answers like "I will kill you all HAHAHAHAHA"

>>385005349
>feels like Obsidian actually had something to critique about George's good/bad portrayal of force users
This is my main problem with Kotor 2; the "critique" is so fucking banal and occupies a huge chunk of the game. No shit a scifi fantasy movie about space wizards paints its characters as black and white. That's the appeal, it's simple and easily digestible, and pointing out that it's not an accurate representation of real-world moraility is not a deep or meaningful observation. It's like complaining that the landscape in Sonic games doesn't make any sense: you're not wrong but you're still not saying anything interesting.

>>385004617
Some say yes, some say no, I like the first one more but the second is good too

>>385005994
this, you can't even corrupt your allies

you can make them ugly and lower their alignment bar but their personalities don't actually change

murdering your jedi allies, making zalbar turn on mission and Carth running off into the woods at the end with bastila as your apprentice is so much better than anything 2 offers

>>385004617
Kotor 2 to Kotor 1 is like BG2 to BG1 but to a lesser degree

it's ultimately a better game but with the first one having its own charm and you still should play it first to fully appreciate the sequel

>>385006091
You can't tell me with a straight face that what Kreia tells you isn't interesting at least in some way. Or that characters like Dark Sion aren't more interesting to digest than that lame asshole Malak who is just bitter because he doesn't have a jaw and is in Revan's shadow all the time.

>>385004617
The writing is definitely better. As an overall game, I'm not sure. I think I'd give the edge to 1. I'm really nostalgic for 1 though, while I only played 2 relatively recently. Gotta go back and play it again to be sure.

>>385004617
1 is a lot better at being a complete game.

2 is a lot more evenly balanced, while 1 is a godawful shitpile for light side but fucking amazing dark side.

seriously
>meet questgiver
>run errands all over the place for 10 minutes for them
>when you return your options are to take reward (less lightside), take nothing (more lightside), or give them money and take nothing (even more)
>gain shit ability to buff yourself for 3 rounds of combat

meanwhile in Dark Side
>meet questgiver
>immediately murder them
>take their money
>gain ability to fucking nuke entire room with lightning

>>385006881
games would be balanced if force lightning wouldnt exist

>>385005110
>>385005349
>>385005420
>I haven't played it but everyone says it's bad, tortanic amirite? xD
It's a bad MMO, but the class stories are good. They're not KOTOR3, but some of them like Sith Warrior or Imperial Agent are actually pretty entertaining and a good addition to the Old Republic lore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rspDSMdd_t0

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>>385007061
>literally impossible to save against

it's way faster to not even bother using it but still fun desu senpai

>>385006180
>you can make them ugly and lower their alignment bar but their personalities don't actually change
I remember making Atton dark and he was completely ok with me manipulating people and acting like a dick

>>385007360
atton is always like that

>>385004617
No it's a sequel to it, duh

>>385007243
okay lets be real, who the fuck uses plague when you can spam 3x force lightning and clean entire rooms, sure you can use it on bosses but come on

>>385007220
eat me nigger

>>385007061
Insanity still exists.
also Plague and even Force Wave

>>385008132
Force Crush is the best power though.

Yeah, kotor 2 is better based on the fact it offers a bit more replay value with randomized loot and crafting.

>>385005046
It's ok I guess. I've played much worse.

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Some of 2's dialogue options are funny as fuck.

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>>385009343

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>>385009343
>>385009402
How is this funny?

>>385004617
yes

KOTOR 2 is garbage because it tries to paint Star Wars as some deep complex universe with more going on than a black and white set up, which is both a mistake and wrong, the prequels are universally hated, and I mean there's not a single person out there who has enjoyed them in any extent whatsoever on any level because of this same issue, George retconned the jedi and made them out to be arrogant which isn't how they actually are. KOTOR 2 is just the prequels all over again. It has zero understanding of what Star Wars is or was. If we're lucky we'll get an RPG based off the sequel trilogy though since that knows what Star Wars is supposed to be like.

>>385010567
What a shitty bait

>>385010717
>the truth is bait
Go away Avellone no one likes your shit fucking writing

>>385004617
Yes but Kotor 1 is still a fun game in it's own right

>>385010796
no

>>385005764
Best answer.

>>385010567
What Star Wars is supposed to be like?

>>385004617
No. Unfinished garbage even with mods. Story sucks balls.
>muh deep philosophy
It's just dark edgelord shit.
>hurr durr duh sith are duh gud gais depending on how u look at it
cancer

>>385011506
Exactly like how George Lucas envisioned no other interpretations are allowed

>>385013108
t. assblasted jedi

What are the best skills?

>>385013738
Persuade, Treat Injury, Repair, and Computer Use.

>>385013738
>Kotor 1
Treat Injury, Persuade
>Kotor 2
Treat Injury, Persuade

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>>385013738
KotOR II?
Persuade, Awareness (you want 14-16 or so after bonuses, since it comes up in some important conversation checks).
Treat Injury (a moderate level will be fine, it comes up in one or two quest skillchecks and it's helpful to have anyway)
Repair and Computer Use (to repair T3).

No, it's garbage. One of the worst sequels of all time, right up there with the likes of DMC2 and Dragon Age 2.

>>385015193
The worst taste in the history of /v/

So what did George Lucas and bioware think of Kotor 2?

>>385007220
>the class stories are good
Yeah you just need to dump 20-30 hours into the right ones and you'll manage to scrape the tiniest bit of enjoyment out of the game while EA scrapes tiny bit of cash out of your wallet each month.

>>385015657
George hated it and Bioware is jealous of it, look at how had they tried to destroy every character K2 character in SWTOR.

>>385009343
>>385009402
I always found it funny how Kreia outright said, "Don't fuck Visas." But seemed at least slightly less annoyed with you and Brianna being together.

>>385015942
>Nowadays you can't level up any faster
>The game is free to play, which if you are only interested in the class stories is perfectly fine to play

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>>385015657
Who cares

>>385016031
Thanks anon

>>385016327
Was just curious is all.

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>>385005092
>it has a worse cast and writing than 1
Query: Is this bait?

>>385016069
well if you subscribe to the "handmaiden is her daughter" theory that makes a lot of sense

>>385016031
sauce with proof

>>385010567
>no originality allowed

you must have loved ep 7

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>>385013416
>George Lucas is an infallible genius and there is absolutely no way to improve the Star Wars Universe.

I think if Bioware made Kotor 2 and Obsidian made Kotor 1, everyone on /v/ would shit on Kotor 2 and call 1 the best Star Wars game ever made.

>>385006180
>you can make them ugly and lower their alignment bar but their personalities don't actually change

But Bao-Dur and Mira are noticeably different if you go Dark Side and Atton specifically shows off how much of a sadist he is if you feed him into it. Mandalore is really the only one that doesn't change whatever you do.

>>385005349
>revan was a mary sue
Not half what the Exile was. Revan got mobbed by Malak and mind cucked by the council. No one beat the Exile and he wiped out the council. Further, Revan was just a strong Jedi who happened to be a military genius, not any of this "living wound in the force" nonsense that the Exile has.

>>385017735
>No one beat the Exile and he wiped out the council.
If it wasn't for Kreia, they would've either killed the Exile or cut her/him off from the force.

I've just been replaying Kotor 2 and I feel like uninstalling the RCM. Sure, it adds some neat dialogue and npc interactions but in the end those are quite meaningless. It adds some utter shit like having HK-50's every fucking where, and that Nar Shaddaa fight with your C tier characters, and a buttload of bugs.

Also someone recommended the "skip peragus" mod and it broke things to the point I had to fix it manually in KSE for hours to make it playable, as it softlocked at the end of Telos.

I'd say the answer to which is better depends on your current mood. Looking for a light-hearted family friendly adventure? Then play the first game. Looking for a more mature and dark story? Go for the second. Skip the mods.

>>385017735
she*

>>385018009
Those nar'shadaa fights with RCM were bullshit, boring as fuck

I never used the skip Peragus mod. I like Peragus, it makes you feel lonely. I love that part, when you're outside the station and this empty republic ship docks

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>>385004617
no kotor2 is for edge lords

I liked 1's planets more. 2 is still the superior game as far as gameplay and build variety goes
>tfw gunslinger and unarmed builds are actually viable

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Only beat both once, but have put more hours into 1 because it kept crashing and corrupting my saves.
I want to like 2 better, because it feels more intricate with its combat, and story; but it just drags and drags, and drags, and I get bored listening to Kreia blather on about how I'm not part of the force, except I am, but I got disconnected, but now I am reconnected. I dunno, keeps feeling a little too high brow for me, and it's exhausting to go through coupled with the overall combat which breaks the flow of the actual storytelling.

The friendly characters felt better in 1, but the villains take the cake in 2. Ya can't beat Darth Nihilus on the edge scale.
They're both good in their own right. I do feel that 2 is the better, even if I've spent more time in 1.

>>385005764
KotOR II is the best, but that Telos level was shit.

>>385020573
Manaan is in 1 anon

>>385016823
http://imgur.com/VFxp1s0

>I was only brainwashed

They basically made the Prodigal Jedi a sleeper agent and the Exile his sex bitch

>>385021628
Manaan is great except for the underwater section.

>>385021691
wut

After KOTORII he went to fight the Emperor, lose and kept prisoner during 300 years while mentally fighting Vitiate, then stabbed in the back (metaphorically, the Exile was stabbed in the back literally) by Scourge and then defeated on The Foundry. He wasn't a sleeper agent, and his character wasn't changed that much until Shadow of Revan

Also, still no proof Lucas hated KOTORII

>>385004617
I think the reason I like KotOR 2 so much better than 1 is because 2 has a very strong set of themes and mechanics that support those themes from beginning to end. Influence is the core of it, but through the Influence system you learn from your companions and grow more powerful narratively as well as mechanically and in turn make your companions grow more powerful as they learn from you.

>>385022476
No, TOR posits that the reason Revan turned to the Dark Side at all and attacked the Republic in 1 was because the Sith Emperor corrupted him into doing it, and then all that shit you said happened after he fucked off at the end of KotOR 1. If you ever need proof that TOR's writers are literally just throwing shit at the wall, just read Vitiate's backstory. Shit reads like an edgy 13 year old discovering forum RP for the first time.

>>385013416
Yet you hate the prequels. It makes no sense.

How about you explain it to all of us what Star Wars are supposed to be like?

>>385023504
Revan and Malak find Vitiate and he, realizing their potential, turns them to the Dark Side. How's that bad? And yeah, they fucked up the Emperor, and don't get me started with Valkorion and Zakuul...


Still no proof Lucas hated KOTORII

I beat the game at release and never touched it again until last week. I installed TSLRCM as suggested by everyone and I'm wondering if my save is corrupted or bugged somehow. I'm running around Nar Shadda and I'm at a standstill. I've talked to every NPC in every area and exhausted all dialog and picked all options but am still unable to advance the story. And of course it's been so long that I can't remember how I did it the first time around.

Can any of you guys give me some hints on how to proceed? If I remember correctly I want to board Goto's ship. I would really appreciate it.

The whole thing with the Sith Emperor ruined Kotor.

>>385005349
>Obsidian actually had something to critique about George's good/bad portrayal of force users.
I feel this is a misconception. The Jedi were NEVER portrayed as 'good'. I think Obsidian challenged how the public viewed Star Wars and examined underlying truths regarding the Force that were always there, both in the movies and the EU.

Chris Avellone set out to question everything about Star Wars, but he didn't deconstruct anything. If anything, he found Star Wars' soul. He kept the romanticism but changed the framing of the typical hero saves the galaxy to show the aftermath of each heroic adventure.

>>385024285
>How's that bad?
Because it's a Warcraft-tier "lol corruption" retcon. Obsidian went out of their way to build Revan up as this colossal badass and he wasn't even their character--with Kreia telling you that he was preparing to turn on the Republic even while he was winning the Mandalorian wars, and GO-T0 telling you that he was preparing to fight yet another threat--the Sith Empire in the Unknown Regions--even while he was winning the war against the Republic.

Then TOR whips around, murders the Exile for no reason and makes Revan the force god tactical genius lose because he trusted a dude named LORD SCOURGE and completely invalidates two entire games of buildup and characterization.

>>385024376
You need to gain the Exchange's interest, and then you'll receive an invitation.

>>385010567
>hurrr people hate the prequels therefore there's nothing of worth
Hahahaha.

The Jedi were always arrogant, are you for real?
Did you ignore the whole part where Yoda tells Luke to let his friends die in Empire?
Or when Obi-wan went 'from a point of view' to explain his lying?
Or how Yoda, with his dying breath, told Luke the truth about his sister. He would have kept that to his damn grave.
Or the overall fact that Obi wan kept an eye on Luke to train him to eventually kill his father to save the galaxy?

I swear to God, idiots cannot see Star Wars for what it is.

>>385005046
It's at least twice as long and not half as good.

>>385025128
Like I said, I can't see what else I'd need to do. I murdered almost everyone at the refugee sector, beat all the pazaak pros, had a meeting with the Hutt leader. I've talked to everyone multiple times. Maybe there's an NPC or two I missed...?

>>385025359
Keep doing shit that causes attention. Meaning complete quests.
Go to the Refugee area and think a bit.

>>385025501
The last thing I did there was fix up the swoop bike and talk to the squid guy (can't remember what they're called). But I'll go back and look around a bit. Thanks.

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Find what you're looking for, amongst the dead?

>>385025359
Unless you missed the exchange and scirrico or whatever bosses in the refugee sector, I'd reckon it's a bug.

>>385025359
>>385025647
To Annoy the Exchange:
- Help Lootra Find His Wife
- Fix the Freighter Order for Fassa
- Agree to help Vogga the Hutt
- Kill Saquesh

To Gain Influence with the Exchange:
- Convince Lootra to join the Exchange
- Destroy the Swoop Droid
- Convince the Thugs to sell the man into slavery
- Convince Nadaa to sell herself to the Exchange
- Convince the Refugees to give up
- Convince the sick man to kill himself

>>385024949
Not him, but still no proof Lucas hated KOTORII. I'm actually interested in seeing if good ol' Georgie said anything about the game

>>385025947
I'm a different dude than the one who linked the imgur shit, I don't know what George thinks about the game and I don't care.

>>385016725
>theory
but yeah, kreia obviously wants her genetic line to be enriched with based jedi jesus dna

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>>385025876
And what is it you think you have accomplished? If you seek out to aid everyone on 4chan, you will only weaken yourself, and weaken them. It is the internal struggles, when fought and won on their own that wield the strongest rewards. You stole that struggle from him, cheapened it.
The current of 4chan, of anons, may all stem from such kindnesses. Every small weakness, small fracture that you create, weakens the whole. If you care for others, then dispense with pity and sacrifice, and recognize the value in letting them fight their own battles. And when they triumphs, they will be stronger for the victory.

>>385004617

Neither are good. They're both visual novels.

>>385004617
>A sequel
>Ever being better than original
>On /v/

L-LMAO?

>>385006091
>>385010567
Once Star Wars progressed passed the first movie, the excuse of a black and white conflict falls pretty hard. ROTJ ended with Vader redeeming himself, and he was murdering and torturing people left and right in the previous two movies. While a diatribe against Star Wars and its moral alignments for a whole game seem a bit much, its not unprecedented or out of place.

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>>385026796
>mfw Kreia is always right
What have I done? Goddamnit.

>>385027152
People mistake critique for examination.
Nowhere in Kotor 2 does anyone say that this is wrong. The worst is probably characters bitching that the entire Star Wars galaxy is insane and the Force makes everything more insane.
>a handful of religious wizard destroy the galaxy every couple of years by fighting each other

>>385004617
I didn't like 2 map and level layout. Felt like I was just going from one end to the other. I also didn't like the weird love triangle thing going on in 2, but the dialogue, combat, and writing was better in 2.

Is the Exile a sith or a jedi? I just ended Kotor 1 and I want to play TSL

>>385027734
A Jedi, a Sith, neither, and both.

>kotor 2 references kotor 1 with love
"pulling a bindo"

>>385027905
What

>>385006881
Thi

So fucking much this

13 year old me loved this game because of this.

The game fucking wanted you to be darkside, even your waifu Bastila looks better in black.

>>385027913
>fucking your padwan

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>>385004617
on opposite day yes

>>385028615
But every day is opposite day.

Hardly anyone has seen this part of kotor 2, I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2y51Fu7lGo

>>385028846
Few ever have.
I still find it weird that there has never been a recording of this on youtube until I decided to make it.
In a way, it really speaks to the whole human flaw regarding accepting power. Or maybe we're just conditioned to accept any reward without thinking because it's a game.
The fact that the choice gives you a +2 wisdom for picking that option says a lot.

>>385025947
He once tried putting kotor characters in the clone wars so he's at least interested with the games. If only for the people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvj026dFxk

>>385029481
I remember the thread when you posted it! I'll say thanks again. That's why I looked it up now.
I think part of it is just that most people who played kotor are not the obsessive players most of us are who are still replaying .
Any other bits of Kreia dialogue that get rare attention?

>t. literal pedophile trying his best to get more views

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>>385006070
don't Sith literally draw their power from stuff like rage angst and general edgy-ness?

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>>385029481
huh, never even gotten that dialog because i always used mira instead hanharr mod (or manipulated my aligment to get her), but now im paranoid there are other instance like this.

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>george will die in your lifetime

Everyone in this thread is talking about the story, but KOTOR 2 is miles better as an actual video game, even on the initial release with all the bugs and other weird shit, because in KOTOR 1 literally every build that's not "melee character with two weapons spamming flurry" and "force lightning" is completely not worth your time

kotor 2 made so many improvements to the actual combat and rpg mechanics that it makes the first game look like total shit by comparison

>>385030701
>Any other bits of Kreia dialogue that get rare attention?
Not that I know of.

>>385030838
He has openly admitted several times in the past to have fapped to videos of real children.

I don't get how anyone can waste their time listening to this guy

>>385030231
Filoni is a hack, he wanted to make the fucking Vong canon

>>385029481
I like your Kreia videos, anon.

Kreia is just a discount jolee

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>>385031935
Thanks.

>>385031935
>samefag

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>>385030893
They draw their power from their passions. In theory, you can use the dark side without being an evil super villain

>>385032106
Oh, okay. Care to elaborate why you hate this guy apparently?

>>385032601
Don't use that image ever again

>>385032635
Are you fucking stupid or you can't read?

>>385032805
I did read the other posts and was wondering if that was it. Thanks for clarifying.

>>385028846
Your critical analysis of kreia is great anon, I hope you have a nice christmas

>>385032979
If you saw my post and still needed to ask then you might as well kill yourself too.

>>385033107
I'm not him but okey, i'm sure he appreciates it.

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You guys are like tiny babies, here's the real masterpiece coming through.

>>385033634
is this fan made?

>>385033695
Yes, it's a whole mod and it's terrible
Hilarious, though.

>>385033634

TAINT

>>385033814
what game is it a mod for?

>>385034064
2

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>>385004617
>Sleep with my daughter.

>>385033634
Give me a quick rundown on this mod, please.

>>385034971
horribly buggy, awful voice actors, fanfiction tier plot that ruins all the returning characters
the antagonists are literally called the d'ark syyth

>>385035549
my bad, it's the d'arth syyth
even worse

>>385034948
Kreia just wants some grand-kids :3

>>385035549
I wonder if kids made it.

>>385035549
>>385035661
Ebony Dark'ness Rowena Raven Way

>>385036009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH6q96zI3cs
I couldn't find it again, but the guy who made it had tons of fanfiction on the lucasforums.

>>385029481
would you say kreia holds the actions of a free willed individual above those of one under the spell of a particular belief?

>>385036318
>wookie jedi

>>385035549
>>385036318
My god that looks absolutely hilarious. The poor voice acting is only the icing on the cake.

>tfw no complete playthrough of this

>>385036550
Yeah, it's one hell of a mod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB05IJtoNEM

>>385034948
Why is she so fucking ugly?

>>385037893

Were you expecting some old sith granny to be hot?

Will we ever get a female character with a voice actor as good as Kriea's ever again?

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>>385037893
delet this, exile

>>385038095
They'd have to enjoy the subject matter first, then they'd have to want to do it not just for the money.

>>385010567

>waaah waaah don't try to intellectualize and deconstruct my speshul snowflake fantasy in space story

yeah, go fuck yourself pleb - get some critical thinking skills

>>385040075
not an argument

>>385027348

Kreia was right about certain things and wrong about certain things, her dialogue options at the end of the game acknowledge that. She even admits that much of her teachings were out of spite for the jedi council - but ultimately her goal was noble even if not for the right intentions; the galaxy should be free from the force.

>>385036318
kino
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>>385017735
I kinda have to agree, the Exile is a mary sue, albeit a good one.

His/her entire story in KOTOR II is pretty similar to the story of Jesus imo.

Especially kino when you play as Jedi Jesus.

>>385030838
>>385031437
who are you talking about?