>likes Dark Souls but doesn't like Nioh Explain this meme.

Nioh is garbage, like dark souls 2 it was made fod normies and casuals.
No challenge or fun in that game.

>>384986881
The "souls formula" is apparently super fucking hard to get right, even fromsoft themselves fucks it up somtimes (see das2). The trouble seems to come when you build a game solely to try and be a dark souls clone instead of a game that just happens to be best when it's a dark souls clone.

>>384986881
Nioh is like K-mart Dark Souls.

>>384986881
Come on it's common knowledge Sony exclusives get shat on because other systems can't play these games.

One is on PC the other isn't.

even worse inventory than ds
one weapon beats the whole game

I didn't play Nioh

>>384987851
Yeah, like bloodborne. Oh wait.

>>384986881
The devs of Nioh were under the impression that Dark Souls was liked for its combat, when the combat in Dark Souls was just a mean to an end. Dark Souls was originally about exploring a strange world, and getting into combat situations was a way to keep things tense. Combat was harder than is expected today because otherwise exploration would feel less like a commitment and more like a fun activity. But it isn't exactly particularly deep or elaborate. You got a dodge, a block, and some hit options, there isn't really that much to it except maybe ressource management (estus and stamina).
People memed Dark Souls into being "that game that is hard for the sake of being hard", so the devs of Nioh thought that people liked Souls for the combat, and they tried expanding on the combat without really getting anything else right.

>>384987902
Yeah it gets shat on all the time, like that 10 days dude or that troll that kept bitching about the framerate.

>>384987859
>one is shit the other isn't
Fixed

>>384987764
DaS was a fluke. A great and amazing fluke.

For me it was really repetitive, sure there where some challenging aspects, but it was literally the same fucking enemies the whole game, the last part of the game has you re-fight bosses you already beat, the graphics are terrible even on cinematic mode, some boss were interesting but most of them felt boring and underwhelming.

>>384986881
Nioh fucked coop

It's another souls-like that thinks that what make souls games good is the combat.

>>384988702
More like they tried to improve the combat but fucked up everything else.

>>384987951
Yeeeettttt its still regarded as one of the better souls games. Nioh is just shitty. Same category as LotF

>>384988771
Yeah, they fucked up everything because they focused on the combat, when combat was never meant to be the central pillar of Demon's and Dark Souls.

>>384987614
>>384987809
>>384988839

Samefaggot who didn't even play the fucking game. Nioh is vastly superior to Dark Souls, and this is coming from someone who really enjoyed all the Dark Souls games and Bloodborne.

The combat, level design, art design, FUCKING FRAMERATE, world design, score and plot (not that it matters) are far better in Nioh. The only thing Nioh really dropped the ball on was the enemy variety, but considering how diverse the weapon / talents / ninjitsu and magic are, this really isn't a problem.

Fucking Soulsfaggots are the worst.

because everything Dark Souls tries to do correctly they do perfectly and Nioh does not

>>384987940
>Dark Souls was originally about exploring a strange world, and getting into combat situations was a way to keep things tense

this

Nioh looks boring as fuck

>>384989176

>looks

Yeah, Dark Souls looks amazing, right?

>>384986881
Dark Souls has its own story and lore.

Nioh Doesn't.

>>384986881
I rented it and tried to like it, but I just couldn't get into it. I just kept thinking about how I would rather be playing Souls instead.

Stances are neat and the combat in general is okay, but it's lacking in atmosphere, level design, enemy variety, and the score is forgettable.

>>384989082
>Nioh has better level design and world design
Do you mean aesthetically? Because you could argue about that.

But if you mean gameplay wise, then no, Nioh does not come close to Dark Souls' level of interconnectivity between levels and inviting the player to explore.

>>384989176
>looks
That's not what it is about.

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Des>DaS>BB>Nioh>Das3>DaS2

>>384989217

t.faggot who didn't play the game

It has it's own story and lore, you retard.

>>384986881
but i have over 200 hours in both

Nioh feels better but it isn't as fulfilling and you can eventually get ridiculously OP where nothing provides even the slightest challenge and have to gimp yourself for a challenge which is always lame.

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>>384989207
>

>>384989082
>Framerate
Nioh goes above 60 FPS?

It didn't get why Dark Souls is good.

Salt&Sanctuary did a better job at being a souls game than Nioh because the devs actually understood what made Dark Souls good and, when they didn't, they simply copy pasted. A shame the art is so bad.

>>384989082
>Paranoid sycophant who thinks any criticism of the game is invalid.

>>384989291
swap DaS and DeS and Nioh and DaS3

>>384989082
please try to tell me that the level design of Nioh is superior to Dark Souls', it isn't

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>buy nioh at launch
>not expecting much just something with decent combat
>combat is like a bootleg DS game
>super slow and clunky, attacks have no real weight to them and are infinitely less satisfying than other games like nioh
>levels are uninspired, rooms blend in with each other
>music puts me to sleep
Day 1 return, thank god for refunds.

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>>384989523
>Salt&Sanctuary did a better job at being a souls game than Nioh

Jesus christ.

>>384989291
BB should be at the top but otherwise yeah.

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Will from ever made a combat as simple but tight and satisfying as they did in Bloodborne? Taking out rolls and putting dashes was such a fucking good choice, mostly for how fucking stylish it looks.

>>384989632
ringed city and ashes need to be separated

ashes can be normal guys, ringed city needs to be extreme hype

>>384986881
NioH feels like a janky fisherprice Dark Souls

>likes Dark Suls but hates Demon's Souls
Explain yourself

>>384986881

Look at Dark Souls. Now take away any remotely interesting area and level design, enemy variety, lore, and exploration aspect, and what do you have left? Nioh

>>384990268
Nobody has ever said this faggot.

>>384990368
>he doesn't know how to greentext
Enjoying your first week on 4chan?

>>384989082
>better world design
>it's just fucking Japan
>all the maps are also split into levels so there is no world to explore

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What makes Dark Souls/Bloodborne combat great is how straight forward it is. It's deep enough so you feel rewarded for trying out new stuff, but not enough that you feel overwhelmed. Nioh's combat just feels like a clusterfuck.

>>384986881
This could be said about lords of the fallen too.

You could also tell Overwatch players this about Battleborn.

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I like Nioh. Honestly, I like it more.

But, Nioh is more like Onimusha or Ninja Gaiden Lite. It's more "Actiony". It's faster, and more skill based. That isn't to say Dark Souls isn't hard, because it has it's own style of play, but they're both different. If this was television, it'd be like comparing The Dark Knight to kickass. They might be in a similar genre, but they're vastly different. Too different to make any real sense.

The biggest problem I've seen with Nioh, is that a lot of people play it like Dark Souls. It can be done, but it shouldn't. It's like playing DMC without any combos. People don't use their skills, don't ki pulse, don't flux, don't stance switch.

Compare this gameplay to Dark Souls;
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztBAbqA0t9Y
Watch it for at least three or four minutes.
It's just too fast, and too actiony for most people who like Souls type games. And honestly, I find Souls games too easy. They're slow and not as enjoyable. But that's just my personal opinion. Obviously I like games more like DmC.

>>384986881
Started Nioh recently. I like the moves, the gamefeel, but damn the monsters are garbage, the balance is trash and makes the grind too interesting to bother playing well. So far the Lebel design had its moments, but it s still not great. (I m on the 5th mission.

>>384986881
I like Nioh more than souls, and I've always loved souls games except 2 and 3.

The combat is straight up superior with its huge movesets and stance change/ki mechanics, and that's all it really takes to keep me hooked.

>>384990760
Nioh's combat is extremely intricate and well done. It's like 4D Bloodborne on crack.

3 stances+unique weapon skills compared to a tricked and untricked moveset, with flash attacks being similar to an L1 transformation attack but for swapping weapons entirely, and stamina management being tied in with movesets swapping/stance changing

>>384992076
>I always liked souls game, except 2 and 3
I also like hamburgers, but i dont like the meat or lettuce or tomatos or sauce on my hamburger

>>384992626
You just proved the point further.

Sometimes less is more.

>>384992691
1, bb and des are great

3 is okay

2 isn't

>>384992726
>less is more
except when you want more depth

>>384986881
nioh had a ton of the same mobs recolored and started to drag on toward the end. didn't even bother finishing the final boss.

it was a fine game for what it was but god damn did it get boring.

>>384992921
Now this is an opinion i can repsec

>>384989291
BB > DaS > DeS > who gives a shit

>>384986881
PS4 exclusive, that's why.

>>384992991
Complexity doesn't mean depth.
And no amount of depth will make combat satisfying if the weapons feels weightless, the combat floaty and the enemies samey. There is not a single weapon in Nioh that feels 1/10 as good as the Kirkhammer or the Church Pick when hitting.

>>384987902
Bloodborne gets shit on a lot.

First it was the framerate. Then it was that other dude saying ut was too easy

combat was neat, loved the stances and different ways to approach story was pretty interesting, art style was pretty gud

but it definitely needed more variety in monsters. the same shit over and over got really tiring. music was awful.

overall like an 8 to 8.5/10.

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On all honesty it had a very difficult legacy to fulfill.

Dark Souls and Bloodborne are basically masterpieces, any comparison to them feels unfair.

Not enough enemies to fight at once, enemies have inflated health pools (until you reach endgame)
Not enough enemy variety (1/2 total enemies of dark souls)

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>>384987940
not enough (you)s for this man, 100% of words he typed was on point

>>384993521
the game definitely does not feel floaty and none of the weapons feel weightless though

You need to make proper use of weapon skills for them to shine.

doing backwave -> tempest -> iai strike -> final blow with a 1 kat is definitely more satisfying than anything I've ever done with a kirk hammer.

That thing is really underwhelming and has the most boring untricked moveset in the game. I will admit that church pick has a nice moveset though.

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>>384989207
>muh graphics

>>384994089
Every weapon in Nioh feels so damn good, and I haven't even touched the DLC yet, so I'm still in for more. Axes and spears are my general favorites, with all the smashing, flinging and stabbing shenanigans you can get up to, but it's hard to get away from 1kat; like you said, it's so utterly satisfying to pull off those skill chains.

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>>384987940
a reasonable post on /v/, now I've seen it all.

>>384990430
are you?

>>384994351
Using spear stance change without the mystic art by changing to high stance mid combo then pulsing at the end is great. I love the spear's parry and flying monkey too.

Don't get me started on lumber chop and the no ki fling axe has. It's so ridiculous to say these weapons feel weightless.

The animations in Nioh both player wise and enemy wise is laughably embarrassing. Some of those enemies virtually slide across the ground like they are skating instead of running.

Also, Nioh's enemy lineup is completely uninteresting, and this is coming from someone who hates "le skeleton enemy" and "le dark zombie palette" enemy hordes from the souls series. Nioh's are somehow even more boring, generic, and uninteresting than a fucking skeleton.

Nioh's attacks get repetitive because no weighty combat, nothing feels good when you are attacking in that game. It feels like you are a LARPer with fake weapons and whatnot.

It's clear the folks who made Nioh don't know exactly how to polish and fix up the rough edges of their games, it's playable obviously, little things add up though.

And if you aren't a huge fan of the setting, the game is impossible to get through.

I don't think the souls games are the perfect can do no wrong video games everyone thinks they are, I actually hate the souls series and the fanbase.

>>384994394
>>384994017
He was just aping Matthewmatosis

I like both but Nioh is worse than DS. I'd rather play it than DS2, though.

>>384993442
/thread

>>384993542
yeah that whole two times

>>384987940
>>384989176
>>384994017
>>384994394
the gameplay was definitely a main appeal. none of ya'll were around for the demons souls threads, back when we still had to import the damn game

>>384995630
and people wouldn't shut up about the difficulty. it only became a meme as the series grew in popularity...

>>384995630
I did not say that the combat was unimportant, but it was just a puzzle piece in a bigger picture.

>I was there at the beginning, that equates to me knowing about game design
Don't appeal to your own authority like that.

>>384986881
Soulsfaggots being Fromdrones.

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I've never played Dark Souls but Nioh was really fun.

>>384995313
well then matthew needs more (you)s

Nioh's level design is dogshit

>>384995630
Combat is only a part of the gameplay. Exploration and navigation is also gameplay.

If only there was a a way to give the souls line's level design and Nioh's great combat.

For me, the best part of souls games are the bosses. How did Nioh do in that department?

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>>384996175
>Doesn't play Dark souls
>Plays souls inspired games

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>>384997124
I thought it was inspired by Ninja Gaiden

>>384986881

I don't enjoy playing as a weeaboo in weeb land trying to desperately nail a jap waifu. That's for the nEETs.

>>384997194
Perfectly reasonable desu. Now play Bloodborne and have 3x more fun.

>minimap
into the trash it goes.