What the fuck were they thinking?

*drops to 5fps*

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I mean for real

>>384960274
>he doesn't like slide show levels in vidya egams

how the fuck do i escape.

i can't find a way back to the burg in the depths and the other end in the ruins has a giant demon boss that I cant beat.

>>384961470
go up bro

Probably of the Valley of Defilement

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I know right?

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>>384960274

>>384960274
Design is fairly good.
Execution is bad.

Probably to make a primarily vertical level that stands out from all of the other ones. They might have messed it up but I would rather have a game with potential where they tried versus a bland game where they didn't. You can always find a nugget of goodness in effort.

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>>384960274

*shoots a blowdart from a fucking mile away and inflicts toxic*

>>384961772
It's one of the most dreadful and unpleasant experiences I've ever had in a videogame. I don't think it's worth the ''vertical level that stands out from the others'' effort, it's not like people are going to praise them for that.

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>>384960274
>Blighttown
https://youtu.be/9aHQnDTd1y4?t=21

>>384960274
>we do this game for filthy casual gaijin feel hardcore desu
>"what if gaijin not as casual as we think and figure out enemies easily as if not filthy sub-human?"
>cheap ledge deaths and AI built around it desu-ne

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I'm not good with giant bugs.

Or giant leeches for that matter.

I'm pretty shit at these games and you faggots hyped this area up to be the worst and most unfair part of the whole game so I was scared shitless of it all the way up until I got there

What the fuck are you all talking about? I had a way harder time in Undead Burg as a beginner. Do you people not know how to roll? Or be cautious? Or hold up a shield? Because if you have a basic understanding of those three things the level is no harder than any other. At all.

>>384960697
I just smashed a bunch of pots and that fixed it.

>>384962820
Nobody said it's hard, it's just beyond annoying and the game slows down to 3 frames per hour.

>>384962820
it's impossible on consoles because of slowdown

>>384961582
thanks asshole now I got cursed.

>>384963229
You're a retard.

>tfw only now did I find out you can run
Thanks Darlington.

>>384962820
The NPCs talk shit about Blighttown too.

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>>384963229

>>384961470
Secret passage in the swamp that leads to The Great Hollow.

They weren't thinking at all.

>>384961470
You know the bonfire in the swamp before quelag?
Go there, then search for a mill. use the mill to go up. Keeping going up until you find a chest.
You'll find a tunnel that leads you to Valley of the drakes, an area between firelink(if you have the master key), new londo(if you have drained the water) and darkroot basin.

>>384962003
It's not even that long of a level. Are you really in such tears that you'd rather have it removed entirely?

>>384961950
Killing these guys was probably the greatest victory in the whole game.

>>384967519
Yes, this area alone killed any replayability for me.

>>384961950
I wish the deprived started with that armor set.

Have any of you even tried it again recently? It's not bad at all. If you play it on pc then all of its problems go away.

>>384967983
The framerate was only one of its problems.

>>384962003
>It's one of the most dreadful and unpleasant experiences I've ever had in a videogame
>poison isn't even a problem
>toxic shooters die permanently
>every area you can get toxic from has a bonfire nearby
>DSfix takes away any other complaints you might have
If you were to play it now you'd wonder why you ever had a problem with it.

>>384968052
It's the only problem. What other problems are there? Slow, avoidable meters?

I miss all the old Dark Souls 1 memes

>>384968280
>>toxic shooters die permanently
What about, you know, the time PRIOR to killing them? The part that actually matters?
>>384968460
Blowdart snipers first and foremost, being in an area that you can easily fall from most of the time (especially that thin log bridge later on that you need to move quickly in to avoid a blowdart sniper) and being slowed down by the swamp if you don't have the ring that prevents that yet.

>>384960274
They were thinking about how funny it would be if you ran through this on your first playthrough, then came back later with the master key and realized you could skip the area.

>>384968280
>>every area you can get toxic from has a bonfire nearby
??
None of the toxic dudes has a bonfire nearby because they're all high up whereas the bonfire is down in the swamp.

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>>384968714
You realise the game gives you a spider shield in the depths right?

>>384968959
Yes, doesn't change the fact that blowdart snipers can see you way before you see them and can get you toxic in as little as 2 hits, and even after realizing there's one attacking you, shielding yourself is still annoying because you also have to take into account both other enemies and where you're stepping since you're on the wood structures that you can easily fall from. They're also usually too far to be locked on when they first start attacking you, which would make shielding easier.

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>>384961704
HA

>>384961704
I don't get it.

>>384970196
watch a ds1 speedrun

they jump off platforms into the black abyss and barely survive

>>384962651
I shit myself the first time i saw these assholes. I was getting raped by everything in this game, except that bitch nigga Capra who killed in one try because i'm not a DEX INT BITCH, but i was surprised when i killed them easily. They don't even attack other than spitting some fire that doesn't even hit you.

>>384961470
follow the torches to the wheel/elevator

>>384970395
Yeah they're easy but, fuck man, giant bugs make me so uncomfortable, same with the giant rat in the sewers, made me fucking jump the first time I saw it.

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*stops you from playing NG+*

>>384967261
>muh master key

Do people not realize that there's a key that
opens the Firelink-side New Londo/Valley door?

>>384969237
>keep your shield up
>wait for a dart to hit you
>listen for the audio cue of the puff
>follow the trail of the dart
>shoot arrows at its source

Come on.

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>>384970516
Only videogame enemies that freak me out are the Radroaches and mole rats from the Fallout games. I think i know how you feel.

>cant see shit up ahead because it's so dark
>suddenly a giant boulder comes flying at you with a huge bang

>>384960274
Would be a decent area if not for the silky smooth 1 FPS and the toxic shits.

>>384961619
Playing DeS for the first time and got here. Enjoyed it a lot, game is fucking tight bruh.

>>384961950
Heartily chuckled, nice anon.

>>384970681
>>keep your shield up
I do that, you can get hit from behind or from the sides because you don't even know that you've passed one (nor are you going to always be somehow aiming in the direction they're coming from if you can't even see them before they see you) and don't realize until the poison meter appears in the middle of the screen. And like I said, even after realizing they're attacking you, you still have to deal with other enemies and not falling off the platform while you shield yourself from them.

>>384962820
The hardest part of blightown for me was "Lol you stepped one pixel out of place, fall to your death". Everything else was fine, aside from the fps drop.

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>>384970754

>>384967261
>>384966000
god this game loves cryptic shit, I can understand the hidden chest behind a wall but a whole zone hidden BEHIND the hidden chest? two hidden walls in a row? jeez.

>>384970997
Walk. Put objects between you and the shooter after you identify it.

I know all the guides say just run through it, but take it slow if you want to live and never have to clear the upper scaffolding more than once.

>>384969237
>which would make shielding easier
Once your complaints stop being about "make it fairer" and start being about "make it easier" you are a casual faggot.

>>384970737
The giant roach people from Resident Evil 5 also freaked me out, doesn't help that they have an instakill move.

>>384969237
>which would make shielding easier
Once your complaints stop being about "make it fairer" and start being about "make it easier" you are a casual faggot

>>384971278
>sniping enemy that can see you way before you see him and can inflict the nigh-deadly (if not at least waste most or all of your remaining estus flasks) toxic status with as little as 2 barely detectable hits is fair

>>384968843
You can skip it without the master key though

>>384970563
The only good areas in 3 was Undead Settlement. Everything else ranged from mediocre (High Wall, Catacombs) to just fucking atrocious (Boreal Valley, Farron Keep, Irythyll Dungeon, Dreg Heap). It's like every area and enemy was designed to make you as mad and frustrated as possible.

hating on blighttown is the popular thing to do so doing the opposite makes you cool, same with oot's water temple.

>>384971575
I liked most of 3's areas but Farron Keep is the kind of area you don't even bother exploring or picking up items. Consumed King's garden is also pretty shit.

I liked Boreal Valley and Anor Londo but compared to the areas from BB, 1 and Des they were mediocre.

I honestly can't believe people still complain about Blighttown. The only reason it has such a reputation is because the framerate was fucking terrible combined with shit resolution on consoles, making it hard to see/avoid the blow dart snipers sometimes. Anyone playing on PC has no fucking excuse besides being terrible at video games.

>>384971934
Blowdart snipers can see you way before you see them no matter what, cause the area's dark as fuck.

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Would you say it's a blight on the rest of the game?

>>384971575
Boreal Valley was comfy as fuck you take it back REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>384972381
Yes.

>>384963229
>up
>goes down instead

>>384973137
There's basilisks both above and below blighttown.

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>>384971456
Nigger you literally said "MAKE IT EASIER"

You don't get to change your tune now you've been called out

Just admit you were being a casual faggot and change your behaviour

Complaining about unfairness is fine, you were complaining that it wasn't EASY enough

>MS adds Dark Souls to the xbone BC
>finally the game will not kill itself to render blightown
>ends up running just as bad if not worse
ONE FUCKING JOB

>>384973859
All of Xbone's ''backwards compatible games'' run like ass.

>>384972417
The only thing it had going for it was that the level was visually pretty. Design wise it's a fucking hallway filled to the brim with copypasted Bloodborne enemies.

>>384971575
?
What's wrong with Faron keep? I thought it was done rather well in the sense that you (at least I) get fucking lost in it on your first blind playthrough. You know, much like you would do in an actual swamp. I actually had to use pebbles for something other than PvP art, namely keep track of what trees I had already past and which ones I hadn't.
None of the enemies are particular difficult, nor do they come in large enough groups to become umanagable.
It isn't very memorable though, it's just a swamp with no interesting features, no nice views and "oh wow awesome" moments.

Then again I really enjoyed 3, more than I did 1. Boss lore also makes more sense in 3 imo. Some of the bosses in 1 have the most ridiculous reasons for being where they are and getting in your way.

>allegedly smart doggo
>tries to kill you for taking a ring so you can do what his master did and kill some abyss bad dudes and save the world from darkness

is a shitty ass knight shield I got near the beginning of the game supposed to have more physical defense than every fucking shield I've seen since?

>>384975051
>get lost
>move at 1mm/s
>die
>never see your bloodstain again

its just a straight up boring ass area, included only so they could say "look guys another poison slow down swamp level haha just like dark souls remember dark souls?!??! stay tuned for anor londo!!!

at least the poisonous swamp was only 10% of blighttown, not the entire level.

>>384960274
They thought a multi-tiered level filled with enemies that poison would be fun and a change of pace because the usual tactic of retreating to recover when poisoned wouldn't be valid there and getting to enemies and treasures would be challenging. The were right on all counts.

>>384975370
all medium shields have 100% physical block, the only difference between them is elemental resistance and stability (how much stamina you lose when you get attacked while blocking)

most shields are better than the knight shield, since they are lighter and have higher stability. cant remember the stats off the top of my head but im pretty sure its worse in everyway than the tower kite shield that the knight class starts with

>>384975576
But most of the swamp doesn't actually slow you down, nor is poison really a big deal. I mean I agree with it being bland, but the. That's what I liked about it, just a gloomy swamp. It is a rare experience to get properly lost in vidya, and I mean properly lost, not "I don't know how to progress this quest line, I am lost!".

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>>384975735
wait then what's that number supposed to be?

>>384976173
How much damage you do if you equip it in your right hand and hit someone with it

>NG+
>use dagger
>spam weapon art dodge
>Light up all the candles in less than 3 minutes
>Run to Abyss Watchers

Wow so hard.

>>384976289
ohhhh

well still why does the knight shield at the beginning of the game still have a higher attack stat than every shield I've found 15 hours in?

>>384971575
Lothric Castle, the Archives and Undead Settlement were all good. Everything else goes into the dreg heap.

Which is worse /v/, Blighttown or The Gutter + Black Gulch combo?

>>384976647
Its the second heaviest medium shield next to black knight and they both do higher damage than the other medium shields its probably just working off the logic that it'd hurt more cuz its heavier. Attack stat goes up when you upgrade shields with titanite anyway.

>>384961704
Wow, that's my local pool. That's weird being in butt fuck nowhere Idaho.

I think Blighttown is nasty.

>>384962820
It's the first area where status ailments are a real threat, particularly toxic. If someone doesn't have to spider shield (or know to use it) they're likely to get fucked buy the dart-blowers. Alongside that, it's very dark and hard to know where the enemies are (unless you know ahead of time). There's also plenty of opportunities to fall to your death. Then there's the swamp part once you actually make it below, where you really have to learn what it takes to move through it and take the poison or avoid it. If you're moving slowly, you're also likely to get invaded by Maneater Mildred right before you reach the bonfire in the swamp.

There's a lot of tough shit in Blighttown that, for many players, all comes at once.

>>384960274
>hear about dark souls on /v/
>play it blind because that's what everyone says to do
>unknowingly discover blighttown backwards like the OP
>climb to the very top (took me hours)
>reach a door that I cannot unlock
>climb all the way back down
>find an illusory wall and go all the way down to ash lake
>there's nothing down there except some twinkling titanite and a giant, useless dragon
>have to climb all the way back up
leave the cave
>don't even notice the hidden entrance to Quelaag (I thought that big mound was just background decoration)
man life was rough without the lordvessel

>>384971575
most of the areas in 3 are ass both visually and mechanically

>>384961470
gaping dragon is the easiest boss in the entire series you shitter
go back to playing skyrim

>>384979369
who the hell's talking about gaping dragon?

>>384976647
because it's metal

>>384979210
Did the same thing my first time. Second time I ended up going down into the woods and Valley of the Drakes too early and getting shit on. Really didn't make the game fun, and I ended up dropping it for about 2 years. Got it on steam and looked up what order you're supposed to go to certain areas, and how the stats worked. I had been dumping souls into stats and not upgrading weapons, since many other RPGs use that paradigm instead of how Souls games do more of an item-driven system. Turned the game from being an obtuse mess into one of my favorites.

>>384979369
>gaping dragon is the easiest boss in the entire series
Full retard.

>>384979369
>thread about blighttown
>post mentions he can't escape
>distinctly says that one end is the "DEMON BOSS" in the "RUINS"
http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Demon_Ruins
http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Ceaseless_Discharge

>>384977595
Like really, the fuck is Idaho

is uchigatana good?

>>384971575
>Irithyll Dungeon was bad
>Catacombs of 30 seconds of sprinting/waiting for the ball was good

It goes:
>Good
Lothric High Wall
Undead Settlement
Cathedral of the Deep
Irithyl Dungeon
Demon Ruins

>Shit
The rest of the game, especially fucking Archivefags. Adding a bunch of meme elevators is not good vertical level design you fucks.

>>384980606
At least it's not Nevada.

>>384977595
Wow, I thought it looked familiar. I think I went camping there once.

>>384975051
>so you can do what his master did and kill some abyss bad dudes and save the world from darkness

you clearly don't know the lore for shit. Artorias was corrupted by the abyss he just got all the credit for the chosen undeads time fuckery. Sif is trying to prevent more people from being corrupted

>>384961701
Why is this fight a meme about being difficult? Just fucking roll.

I didnt know rolling gave i-frames until I got to Anor Londo, and I don't get the memes about Capra Demon either. The bosses never got me in Dark Souls, what trampled me was the actual levels like Blighttown and Sens Fortress.