Why is this allowed...

Because of his locked 45 degree junp angle while running.

>>384944056
>He saw Gimr's video.

Doesn't that move have like two hits but each with only one active frame?

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>>384944056
>hitbox
>circular

>>384946496
That's how you can tell it's a children's party game by Nintendo.

>>384946496
What shape is a hitbox supposed to be?

>>384946705
Oh. Oh I see what's happening here...I got you, anon.

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>>384947148
Box shaped

Its a party game

>>384947148
What shape is a box?

that's a big hitbox

>>384947328
>>384947246
Why is a box better than a sphere?

>when games make hitboxes disjointed without energy/wave effects

that's just some gay shit right there.

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>>384944056
Shockwaves.

>>384946496
Tekken also has sphere hitboxes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trVFQGZ95eE

>>384947502
I did this when I was 13 years old. Literally anyone can pull this off.

>>384947642
But Tekken is a literal 3-dimension fighter, it makes sense given the movement options. But then again, I guess it's better for Smash considering the variables at play at any given moment.

>>384947478
Because its a hitbox and not a hitsphere

Now post snakes hitboxes. Especially that borked up tilt

>>384947380
for 2(frames)

>>384944056
Because the DLC newcomers had to be overpowered or else only fans of their respective series would buy them.

Now Smash 4 is nothing but Corrin vs. Cloud vs. Bayonetta vs. Sometimes Ryu since he's the only one who requires even a mediocum of skill.

I had no idea Bayonetta's nair was that ridiculous.

https://smashboards.com/threads/4br-tier-list-v3-competitive-insight-analysis.445990/page-134#post-21809139

Also why are the captchas for 4chan getting so much longer?

>>384948672
>Roy

>>384948723
Good thing I specifically fucking said "newcomers," huh?

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Melee's G&W nair is my favorite

>>384948703
they are taking on the size of my dick hehe

>>384948773
>fucking
>huh?
You alright?

>>384948672
>Corrin
>good

>>384948672
Camping is effective against Ryu and he has some clear weaknesses. Like his air acceleration.

Also is Corrin really played as much as Cloud and Bayonetta?

>>384948885
well that seems like it makes sense.

>>384949026
This must be some new meme.

It's a shitty one.

>>384949052
Corrin is kind of just a worse Cloud, so at high levels no you don't see them much.

Everywhere else though yes Corn is fucking everywhere. Sm4sh really went downhill with the DLC characters. The amount of power they have while remaining so safe is beyond stupid.

Imagine if King Dedede retained all his power and range and traded his crippling weaknesses for a mediocre recovery. (Mediocre by sm4sh standards, that is) That's Cloud.

Now trade some of that power and make the recovery a little better and you have Corrin.

>>384949489

As a Marth main I find it ridiculous how long some of Corrin's attack last in comparison to my character. It sometimes feels like that extra bit of range isn't even worth it when there's such little room for error while Corrin can swing away continuously.

>>384949727
The DLC characters are blatantly superior to the existing cast, they did it on purpose.

Please, do you think as many people would have bought Bayonetta if she wasn't stupid broken upon release? They did it on purpose and it's scummy as fuck, it makes me pissed that I bought smash 4 twice and gave those cunts my money.

>>384949727
>shorthop nair shorthop nair shorthop nair shorthop nair SIDE B LOL

Fuck corn.

>>384949930
Thankfully I only bought the game and did not download any DLC so I cannot relate. I mostly play Mario Kart 8 casually to make up for the fact that my expense on a Wii U was a waste of money.

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>>384947642
>those 3d hitlines

I am rock hard right now desu

>>384949727
Corrin's mobility is really bad though and he doesn't have tippers on every move. And it's not like Marth isn't a better character regardless.

>>384949930
>bought smash 4 twice

Why would you do this?

>>384950637

Marth is most definitely the better character albeit with the precision skills necessary to do so. Corrin on the other hand is a lot more hold your hand friendly if you like hitting buttons a lot.

>>384950861
I don't play fighting games, but basically, SG has the best hitboxes? Seems ideal to have them fit to the actual image.

>>384951417

seriously what the heck were they smoking with all those other fighters. skullgirls is on point

>>384951417
>>384951587
>I don't play fighting games

It shows.

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>>384944056

>>384951629
>I'm a dweeb

It shows more senpai.

>>384948885
So he's pretty much invincible during it unless you hit the soles of his shoes?

>>384950861
Do you have the original stock photo?

>>384951417
No. It makes things get way more fiddly and unpredictable, and you get far more "What, why didn't that hit?" and "How the hell did that hit?" moments.

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>corrin buttmads

>>384951789
Are you dumb? The red ball isn't a shield.

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>>384951417
Gotta' make those $2000 hitboxes worth it.

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>hitbox shenanigan I recognized at launch
>punk actively using it at evo finals
feelsgoodman.jpg

>>384950861
>Street Fighter
>Just because you're kicking it doesn't mean you're safe from taking damage, getting hit in the leg is going to hurt you so you have to time your hits carefully

>Guilty Gear
>If you're kicking that means your leg is invincible, so go ahead and kick wherever you want

Why does everyone shit on Street Fighter when they obviously have the hitbox system that makes the most sense?

>>384951834
>as opposed to other fighting games where you can swing at air and still hit.

The real answer is that matching hit boxes to the sprite means you have to change the sprite if you want to change the shape of the attack, and it would look strange when you want attacks to have that box-like range.

>>384951834
Really? because if that pic is accurate i would think that would happen way more with GG. Those are huge diagonal squares going well out of the supposed attack.

>>384952140
people just shit on SFV and a few hitboxes

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>ryu will never be in an actually fun smash game
PM lucario helps but it's still not the same

>>384952140
SF and GG are going for entirely different kinds of gameplay. SF is generally more cautious and makes you deliberate in your actions, while GG is hyper-offensive. Their hitboxes serve those goals
It's also worth noting that GG has to balance all of its melee attacks with a host of characters who use weapons, which shouldn't have hurtboxes

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>Fighting game thread
>WELL IN SMASH
Every time.

>>384952767
Are you retarded?

384952767
(You)

>>384952767
OP's pic is from smash you dingus

>>384944056
Hadou power.

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>>384946496
You know what's the best part? It is not circle, it is a sphere. Smash uses 3d collision.

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>>384944056

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>>384944056
>>384946496
>>384954239
ITS SPHERICAL

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>>384950861
>>384954313
Y'all got that hitbox gore?

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>>384954573

>>384946496
Spheres are the easiest 3d shape to check collision on. All you need to do is check if the distance between their centers is less than the sum of their radii. Capsules are only slightly more complicated

>>384951715
Jesus Christ this game was one big scam.

>>384954573
>>384954791

What the hell? I hope this isn't for "balance". Are the developers retarded?

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>>384946496
>hitsphere
>cubic

>>384954963
why wouldnt you want it to be for balance? thats literally the only situation in which such hitboxes would be acceptable and make sense. are you retarded?

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Why is this allowed?

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>>384955056
I ain't no computer genius but I'm pretty sure it would take about thirty seconds to alter the claw model to be shorter. And then like five minutes to move the little swipe effect.

>>384952351
Pm is fucking trash

>>384955056

I could see the hitboxes not being so shitty and just lowering the damage on these moves. Are you retarded? There's plenty of ways to balance an attack over stripping it down to a small little box.

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>>384955229
Back the fuck of??

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Why is this allowed?

>>384952013
$2000 only sounds like a lot of money, until you factor hourly wages. Shit adds up fast.

>>384955313
Like if Yoshi wasn't bad enough

>>384954573
Wait so the red box is the part that you need to step into to get hurt, so what are the yellow boxes?

>>384958687
The range in which holding back against it turns into the character blocking instead of walking backwards. At least if I remember right.

>>384955313
>Yoshi's throw is slow but it should benefit from a long range
>Marth's throw is fast but it should be hindered by a short range
>The reverse is somehow true

What the fuck

>>384951834
i play a ton of skullgirls and i dont notice that. Trust me if SG had classic style hitboxes its already ambiguous setups would become infinitely more ambiguous. Classic design is good for making moves generally more useful but it would fuck SG

>>384948703
How active is Smashboards? I swear to god, every time I'm over there, it's dead as fuck.

>>384955313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWO6iDefd-g

>>384959474
I want original.

>>384954313
>>384950861
I did the Melee one

>>384960431
You forgot a hurtbox around the tie.

>>384960431
melee was that tight? Are you sure?

>>384959232
Kek. It's fairly active and no where near dead.

Melee hitboxes and frame data for top tiers fucking ridiculous.

>>384959474
Is that image legit? Why is the FGC so cancerous?

>>384960681
The fuck? I swear to fucking god, every time I go over there, in all the boards I'm interested in, they go for weeks at a time between posts.

I'll definitely check it out again, thanks.

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>>384949930
>tfw my friends play Corrin and Cloud most of the damn time
>tfw they get mad at me when I zone them with my villager slingshot

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>>384960657
>>384960431
scratch that, I'm bad at this
I mean I got the structure right and everything wrong

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>>384946496
>>384947148
>>384947246
>>384947328
>>384955018
Smash 64 is where it's at

>>384959232
>>384961305
Reddit is probably the most active
/r/smashbros mostly for viewers
/r/ssbm for more focused discussion on Melee
/r/crazyhand for technical stuff and actual practice

>>384961829
>upper elbow
dumber than the hitboxes

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>>384954313
Technically any part of Plesioth's body is a hitbox though, belly is only a weakspot

>>384961175

It's an exaggeration, the real is not AS bad, but still covers a lot. I believe there was a patch last year that lowered the height of the hitbox, though.

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>>384962478

Aaaaaand forgot pic

>>384962579
>if you hit the puddle on the floor the character takes damage

wew lad

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>>384962758

Her hopes and dreams are in the puddle. Please don't kick it.

>>384960846
It's hilarious seeing a Melee player saying Fox isn't in need of some nerfs.

>>384947246
So every game is a children's party game by Nintendo because non of them have actual boxes?

>>384963020
Man, I really should check out GGXrds story.
Espcially if it's as entertaining as BB's.

>>384963056
That's because Fox is perfectly balanced
in comparison to Fox.

>>384959474
>>384961175
>>384962478
>>384962579
I don't see much a difference.

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>>384952218
They first made roughs of any given move and then they'd make the move work in game. Most of the moveset is tested out before actually refining the sprite to their actual quality IIRC, and even then has a move gotten a significant change in hitboxes, unless I'm not remembering one. When they moved their shit to Steam, they had a beta version running as a test for new characters and even Squigly, their first new character after release, had loads of rough frames when introduced, yet had almost all of her moves implemented rather early.

Most of the balancing shit from then on was properties of her moves or damage values. I do recall them actually giving a bit more unified combo-state hitboxes, meaning that characters wouldn't have deviating hitboxes when being hit in a combo, which happened in SF4 a lot, for instance Dan's crumple state from Focus attacks.

>>384946496
then it's not a hitbox is it?

>>384963328
Pretty much.
Fox has a 50% winrate against Fox so it's perfectly balanced.

>>384963296
Personally, I enjoy it better than BB.

It's less convoluted.

>>384950861
While I love GG to death in most cases, the fucking hitboxes can be such a fucking bitch when playing as Slayer. I keep getting hit by moves when crossing up with his teleport dash that hit behind the oppnent even though there's no indication that it would actually intend to do that.

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>>384952013
>>384957451
Add to the fact that it's a shitload of frames to add hitboxes to. I think it was something along 1400-ish frames per character on average?

>>384958961
Marth goes almost horizontally forward to grab, yoshi leans back. Shit balance, but it matches the animations more or less. There are dumber things in Melee.

>>384952706
Why can't weapons have hurtboxes? Works for Billy Kane.

>>384952706
>with a host of characters who use weapons, which shouldn't have hurtboxes
Wait what???
I don't understand. Melee Marth plays great and he breaks your rule, but I guess it'svery diffrent

>>384947809
Smash has a z axis too, in all four games.

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>>384961338
>mfw I literally only play as the 64 cast and my friends STILL can't identify setups that are over 10 years old
Unsurprisingly, they're mostly swordfags except for my brother (Pikachu) and one friend who got gud at Fox back on 64

>>384947478
Easier to tweak, better balance.

>>384966260
You aren't supposed feel pain if a kick hits your sword.
Melee works very differently than GG.

>>384951715
>fucking degenerate furry game
>spends time fondling enemy's balls instead of punishing
no surprises here

>>384967086
>Easier to tweak
I don't see the connection

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>people still don't understand that hitboxes are bigger for balance
>b-but my tiny hit box skills that are quick and easy to land are way more skillful

>>384946496
Marvel 3 uses hitspheres

>>384952117
what about it? that it works as a pseudo DP?

>>384955148
Someone post SSF4 Makoto's pic.