We must dissent.

She was right
All that technology was used to just kill humans and make everyone into slaves

The Morgans fear what may not be purchased, for a trader cannot comprehend a thing that is priceless.

>>384885983
*purchases your bases*

>>384886339
Yet you can buy faith
Or morals

>>384886480
Morals and faith may be very nice, but temples and schools are expensive. Philosophers and priests need to justify their existence by being useful to society.

>>384886662
No they do not

>>384886662
You can't exactly have an economically prosperous and stable society if it's not based on solid functional value system.
That said, the way philosophy (and to a lesser degree, in a secular society, religion) interacts and influences the society itself is complicated and while non-trivial, it's also nearly inmeasureable. Plus: despite what you might thing, both will exist and have influence regardless of whenever the state pays them or not.

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>>384887153
>state

>>384887364
Uhhh... yeah. That is who pays for most academia in most of the countries in the world, and it has been so for most of our history.

What exactly is your point? What is the fucking point of absolutely vapid-nothing saying shitposts like these?
Are you too much of a fucking coward to actually state your point or issue?

who morgan here

>>384886279
Ideology power rankings

The Lord's Believers > Peacekeeping Forces > Gaia's Stepdaughters > Morgan Industries > University of Planet > Spartan Federation > Human Hive

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>don't mind me guys, just using my free ultra-high speed network nodes as "hologram theatres"(torrenting the morganite movie industry)

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>the human hive
>leader is chinese

>>384887875
Tell me Abram, if science is so great, why can't STEMfaggots make their own kino?

>>384887875
>You will never play strategy vidya with zakharov

>>384887483
This is an Alpha Centauri thread. The exchange was half actual discussion, half roleplaying as the characters. On of them is the businessman Morgan. On the lore he's just the president of his conpany, and his society has an unrestricted market. But, even though he's some sort of ancap, he functions like the other factions in the game, with total control over society. The character even has a quote saying that he never aimed to estabilish a monopoly, his products are so good no one wants to compete.

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>tfw you realize Pravin Lal is the only leader who isn't a complete fucking monster, with Godwinson the only possible exception.
>tfw you realize humanitarianism is actually pretty based.

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>fascist gets elected by having a massive number of retards voting for him
Damn, just like in real life...

>>384888448
inb4 someone brings up his cloned wife as if it's some kind of atrocity on the scale of bioterrorism or mad scientist experiments

>>384888448
What did Morgan ever do wrong?

>>384888660
>Lal can clone his wife to suit his needs
>but Yang cloning citizens for his needs is somehow despicable

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>Here are 0 credits. Do not waste them.

>>384888769
He is basically every stereotype of the evil capitalist incarnate. Everything and everyone is a commodity to him, his own wealth is all that matters, worlds and peoples be damned. That is not to mention the hypocrisy of someone championing the free market while being the sole ruler of practically every market.

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>>384889096

>>384888794
different reasons for the cloning
slavery on such a massive scale opens up many questions and issues like "2nd class citizenry" and human rights

>>384889032
>the hypocrisy of someone championing the free market while being the sole ruler of practically every market
Can it really be a "free" market if you're not free to create a monopoly?

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>The Chairman is the proverbial "incorruptible man"

>>384889520
I don't know, it's the eternal question, just like if a democracy is really a democracy if it can't abolish itself.

How do I get the other to like me? I saw on the wiki that being the strongest makes other factions like you less, but no one likes me when I'm weak either

>>384888769
>morgan
>nerve stapled his citizens when they found out about the *experiments* he was running in the research hospital
>bundled shitty morgansoft network software with the network nodes; programming was so poor it caused a disgruntled QA staffer to revolt and create a haxor faction

I LOVE female leaders, they are always an excellent idea

>>384889769
There are a bunch of factors. Out of the ones I know:

>what ideologies you are using; certain factions love certain ones, certain factions hate certain ones; sharing an ideology pretty much guarantees you can become friends if you try
>how nice you are to them
>what their aggression is (Deidre and Morgan are the only factions set to peaceful, University and Lal are middling and the rest are aggressive)
>how dominated they are by you
>game difficulty; set it to transcendent and you will be betrayed all the fucking time

>>384888591
But Hillary lost, anon.

Whats this game like? You faggots have me interested now.

>>384890503
But Hillary(male) won though.

>>384890390
I just finished a game as Deidre. Yang and Miriam declared war on me a couple of times, even though I was far stronger and curbstomped them without losing any unit. Yang was even on another continent, never reached me and had plenty of land to expand. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with these people.

>>384890661
Yang, Miriam and Spartans are always going to start a vendetta unless you suck their dicks really hard, and then they'll wait a few turns before declaring a vendetta. If you ever meet those three, just get to genociding because it is the only act of diplomacy they understand.

>>384889393
the genejacks aren't complaining
maybe you should try checking your cerebral cortex privilege before making up problems for others

>>384890507
Turn based strategy, much like Civilization but in sci-fi clothing.
Combat is an absolute ass, the game has way too many elements to micro-manage and gets easily tiresome (you can automate much of it though, tankfuly), A.I. is usually pretty retarded.

That said, it's pretty complex and offers a lot of options and opportunities, and the planetary simulation behind it is seriously impressive.

It's also one of the best sci-fi works you'll find in the medium. The "main story" of sorts that it has, the settings, the technologies it proposes, all of that is really, really well written and presented, and it's WELL worth playing for that aspect alone.

>>384890507
old and slightly unwieldy 4x game with lots of proverbs and neat little cutscenes. If you're in it for the story just read actual science-fiction instead. It's more efficient and you don't have to deal with the ass combat. Start with Asimov, Heinlein and Clark.

>>384890507
It's pretty much old Civilization in space. Each faction has a fairly unique strategy and means of victory, instead of just an unit and a bonus like in Civ.
It's remembered fondly mostly because of the great characters, and having a plot that's better than most RPGs, despite being turn based strategy.

Deirdre was right.

>>384890507
It's slightly expanded Civ2, terraforming and wildlife make it unique among Civ games.
The game sells on atmosphere, which it oozes from start to finish.

If you keep up with the TBS scene, the French figured it out and Endless Space/Legends series are based on the same vein, except they also force extreme differentiation of factions to enhance gameplay further.

>>384887875

cyber russia is best faction

>>384888448
>godwinson
>its fine to destroy intellectual integrity

>>384891528
*riots*

>Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much evil. They have missed a greater conundrum; why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

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>>384891629

>>384891585
>godwinson
>destroy intellectual integrity
Since when ?

>>384890758
>dominate Santiago
>she offers servitude
>accept it
>for the rest of the game she becomes your personal cheerleader as you stomp everyone
>every night you pound that sweet puerto rican puss before ordering another planet buster and feel her squeeze down on you

>>384892194
>first turns no science
>then retards science advancement
>fundamentalist social engineering flavor text indicates you get a science loss because of faggy christians

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>having feelings
>getting laid
Disgusting primitives

>>384892765
>turns out she's autistic not because she's a cyborg but because she's a nordsperg

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>>384892765
>steal tech on base capture
>when you have +2 research

>>384888448
Cleanest toilets on Planet

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>>384892456
Ummm no sweetie how about you do your research before speaking instead of relying on "ebil christian" memes
>she can't research during first 10 turns because she cannonically lands with a broken colony pod full with people suffering from radiation sickness
>advocates science in multiple pieces of flavour text
>compared to real life and taking their population into account their research rate is insane so anti-science argument isn't going to work
>GURPS flavour text let us know her society encourages discussion, questioning their own beliefs and find in answers to questions raised
>her aggressive in game behaviour does not reflect her peacefull canonical personality

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OH im sorry was that your ocean tile?
Daily reminder that pandora first contact has a SMAC factions mod

>>384885882
is there like a mega download for this game?

>>384893981
>pandora first contact has a SMAC factions mod
How does it compare to the Civ IV Planetfall mod? (Never played Pandora)

>>384893965
>implying 10 years of no research is because helping people when provisioner "I care so much ab out people they become talents" lal doesnt need that
>advocates science only when it works for her militaristic agenda, she hates teleportation until she can use it to quickly invade other cities
>comparing real life years with ingame years
>fanfic
>hurr durr if it doesnt fit my headcanon its not true

>>384893981
>pandora first contact
Is it good ?

>>384893981
Smax's factions were pointless, but Sven was the worst of them all

>>384894205
Just pirate the GoG version

>>384894271
>LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA I AM RIGHT LALALA I AM GOING TO IGNORE ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS LALALA I AM RIGHT LALALA

This is literally you right now

>>384894296
Yeah its like an 8 on my top list of games
>>384894262
Ive never played civ but my cousin has told me it was just as time consuming
>>384894324
Nah man YOURE pointless

Technology must never usurp man
Technology exists to serve man, not rule over it

>>384894937
How could technology ever usurp man?

>>384894937
t. meatbag

>>384894994
http://alphacentauri2.info/wiki/The_Self-Aware_Colony

Childhood is idealising Zakharov, adulthood is realising Miriam was right

>>384894994
AI, addiction to technology, over reliance on technology preventing people from carrying out basic tasks unaided etc etc

Miriam did nothing wrong

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This could have been a fantasy SMAC homage. It did so much right, with every faction having unique gameplay mechanics. If only they had added voice acted factions and memorable quotes it would have been incredible.

>>384895085
What's wrong with AIs?

>>384894324
fuck off you filthy landlubber, pirates are objectively the most comfy faction there is.

>>384895082
Childhood is idealising Lal, adulthood is realising Yang is right

>>384895229
They do not understand mortality and thus morals that come from it

>>384895082
>play game as a kid
>the gaians are obviously the good guys right

>play it again older
>what the fuck was I thinking

>>384895395
If we make an AI that doesn't understand morality then that is entirely on us. There is literally nothing stopping an AI from being able to understand morality

>>384888794
Yang literally clones them with brain damage so that they are too stupid to ever do or desire anything except the menial labour he wants them for, it is not remotely the same

>>384895196
The thing that made SMAC so good was that all the things in the game were a logical progression from the present. It was believable and quite hard science-fiction.

EL meanwhile largely exists in a vacuum. That doesn't mean that it could not have had as good world building as SMAC, but it never would have had the emotional impact on people that Alpha Centauri had.

>>384895179
This
She is my role model, you need to be exceptionally strong leader to survive and prosper with a broken colony pod stripped of It's resources by other factions filled with people suffering effects of being exposed to vacuum and radiation.

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>countless faggots won't play this game because it's old and say the newer civs are better

>>384895510
You cannot code in morality, you have to make the AI learn morality by itself
Which can be hard because it does not have a "childhood"

>>384895749
the ui is a bit fiddly desu

playing civ is truly pleb though

>>384895824
An AI can absolutely have a childhood, what the fuck are you talking about?
Additionally, why can we not code in morality?

>>384895196
I dont know how rich they are but getting no voiceacting is better than shitty voiceacting. Considering its made in unity and really seems like a small but inspired game I dont think they couldve gotten it right.

And the entire plot is different, endless legend is a bunch of people trying to get the fuck of their planet, SMAC is about the nature of government when everything is wiped clean.

>>384895749
>tfw you were around and bought the game, the pinnacle of the genre, when it was brand new
I wish I was wise enough to keep the full box and huge manual.

>>384885920
Is this before or after she helped the beaner insurrection of the ship causing it to crash?

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>>384895749
>when they say beyond earth is the successor to SMAC

>>384895903
AI comes prebaked with all the code we give it
So it will fail to question many values and probably act by those values before it learns that things are more dynamic than they seem to be
Morals are very dynamic. AI thinks in absolutes.

>>384896046
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>384896046
You're talking out your ass, anon

>>384896013
that shit is fairly common these days

>let's just make another shitty rehash, but try to get the attention of people who liked a good game from ages ago

>>384896115
>>384896149
You just don't get it

>>384888304
However Ancap Morgan starts out he ends up rejecting Rothbard and De Jasay for Keynes and Colbert. In the end the trappings of power proved too much. All of them get corrupted by it, in the end, except for Miriam and Lal.
>>384889520
Due to the nature of information monopolistic entities are inherently unstable on open markets. In fact, monopolies historically precede modern market economies - they were creations of powerful figures in governments as rewards given to favored subordinates. The closer one gets to a monopoly, the less agile one's operations, the greater the window of opportunity for someone to come along and carve a niche for themselves in the gaps in one's abilities. It's why Ford's River Rouge plant ultimately failed.

>>384896004
She and Lal were literally the only ones trying to preserve the order and trying to prevent people splitting into factions

>>384896187
You're right, I just don't get the ramblings of someone completely ignorant of a subject

>>384895749
Is there any way to play with more than 7 factions? Does it break commerce too badly?

>>384896351
I suspect this was once again some attempted pseudo-roleplay joke like from earlier?
He can't be THIS stupid, right?

>>384896520
Didnt't mean to reply, sorry

>>384896349
And that's where they made their first mistake, when factions are being objectively chosen militantly, you never want to be caught in the middle. You choose a side, even if it's the wrong side, at least then you have allies in the losers rather then both sides hating you.

>>384896268
>However Ancap Morgan starts out he ends up rejecting Rothbard and De Jasay for Keynes and Colbert
nani

>>384895447
The Gaians are the good guys...

>>384898446
Only if you like shoving psychic worms up your vagina

>>384898838
The humanity fucked up Earth in SMAC. Either we change, physically too, or repeat the same mistakes by adopting exaggerated versions of old ideologies.

>>384898446
They literally, LITERALLY, cause the end of humanity

>>384899434
>Transcendence
>end of humanity
um

>>384898961
t.psychic worm

>>384899570
>dude, worms are, like, sooo icky!!! lmao!!!
This is the level of anti-Gaian arguments.

>>384899516
>getting TANG'd
>not the end of humanity
mu

>>384899690
>being so attached to your pitiful flesh
Sad!

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>>384899651
Seems the worm already buried itself deep in your reasoning parts of the brain

>those fucking spooky philosophical quotes you read shitloads of times still make you scary

Fucking Nietzsche. This game is unironically scary when you read about AI and its development IRL. I wonder what would the North Koreans do once they get enough technology.

Quick, post best secret project videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO_xh7xIabk

You will never read essays on mind and matter

>>384885882

Oh, man I miss playing this game. Wish it was on Steam.

>>384900739
>North Koreans
>get enough technology
I wouldn't worry too much about that.

>>384900771
>you will never read "Looking God in the eye"

Also this is my favourite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva8L-J8x04

That shit scared me when I was playing at 3 AM.

>>384900739
Meh, AI isn't that scary.

>>384900739
Nkorea is the product of domno having angry hatesex with godwinson who then raised the kid with no education. They are stuck in the 60s for a long long time

>>384900780
Its on GoG, which is probably better seeing as you'll need to mod/bugfix it heavily

>>384894324
I made my own ocean-enviromentalist faction so Sven wouldn't be alone on the seas

It was too strong, couldn't figure out how to make it balanced even with -2 industry, economy, and-5 police

>>384891909
kek

"What goes up... Better doggone well stay up."

- Morgan Gravotonics, company slogan.

The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

-- Sister Miriam Godwinson, "The Blessed Struggle"

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>>384895749
*Unbalance your game*
Nothin personall

>>384894296
It's decent. It's more or less the SMAC formula if it were applied to Civ IV instead of Civ II and then converted the map into hexes instead of squares. It doesn't really do anything unique that you haven't already seen in a 4X but it's still a decently solid game. Worth picking up on a sale.

>tfw wanted to post a screenshot of the playthrough I did for /civ4xg/ a few years back but I lost them all somewhere

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>>384903253
>100% science population fed by crawlers

>>384903253
>Boatmurdered

That'll go well.

>>384895749
nu-/v/ doesn't have the patience or IQ to play certain older games and just calls them "dated".

>>384904280
>the average age of /v/ is 14
>tfw you realize all those annoying posters are literally children with shit taste
>tfw you realize you're a 30 year old man arguing with children on the internet.

Feels bad man....

>Be the Free Drones
>Your power is to have the fewest drones of any group

Really boils your mind worms.

>>384903984
>Finish another secret project
That's what? the fifth one in the last 20 turns?

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>>384904664
>get other city due revolution
>nervestaple them for not respecting authority

>>384887875
>everyone else fighting for control of the planet
>zakharov transcending and not giving a shit anymore
You know he's right, though.

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>>384904521
The game is objectively dated though, coming from someone who really enjoyed it.

>play game as Lal
>take city
>realise I cant hold it, its 2 population so I figure the penalty of burning it wont be high
>everyone pissed
>whatever, ill sit out the trade boycott
>people dont want to be friends, ask money
>fuck you
>everything goes well
>suddenly needlejets start attacking me
>bombing runs over and over
>base should be called new Dresden
>negociate peace, pay up
>they start demanding my tech to maintain peace
>tell them to fuck off, I already paid
>everyone turns on me again
>needlejet base is out on the water
>fly planetbuster onto it, problem solved
>nope, other bases are also in bombing range
>everyone is pissed off as well
>fuck you, more planet busters
>santiago goes insane, but she only has a few bases remaining and my planet busters now have better cores, might as well put her out of her misery
>move up a new base and fly in 3 planet busters
>turns out my reckless nuking made the water level rise and consumed a city
>put her out
>everyone else is going insane because I am evil or something
>vote comes up for sun shielding, everyone votes for it
>have this 1 planet buster left over, might as well nuke my next target
>sea keeps rising like crazy, sunshield doesnt do jack
>left and right cities drown
>90% of the map is water
>shit out ships as all my tanks are stuck on water bases
>the few patches of earth left constnatly spawn devil broils
>become emperor of drowned planet

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>>384906641
nice thumbnail faggot

>>384885882
Godwinson was right in the lore, her in game AI is a rampaging lunatic though

>>384906641
The game is objectively a better civ game than any civ game

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>can understand everyone's perspective, even Santiago's, except for this fucker

Did he just get hard over big population numbers? What was his endgame?

>>384907998
He was a pretty hardcore collectivist "for the good of our society at all costs" kinda dude

>>384907998
Neo-feudalism.

>>384907998
He wants humanity to transcend their individuality and act as a singular society. His faction is not called The Hive just because they live underground.

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What actually transpires beneath the veil of an event horizon?

TFW not decent drone

>>384903138
How can anyone call her a raging lunatic is beyond me.

>>384885882
Mother Merkel it's me Ahmed!!!

>>384907998
Eternal chink

>>384906790
How much ice is there on the damn poles anyway?

>>384908759
I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>384907998
"Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outwards, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."

-- Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"

Basically this. Stop being selfish and join human instrumentality project

>>384904521
It's only fair. I was arguing with 30 year old men when I was a brat 2 decades ago, why shouldn't they have the same chance?

Granted, I was arguing about /tg/, not vidya as I actually had time to play vidya back then, but there ya go.

>>384887971
Primer and Upstream Color

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>>384911658
Yang's theme awe-inspiring and terrifying at the same time, makes it so memorable.

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>>384913932
His players are also awe-inspiring and terrifying

Why having asxetic virtues requires minerals? It's anti ascetic
https://youtu.be/YO_xh7xIabk