Final Fantasy XV

its a step backwards for the francise

>>384867626

Its not a real Final Fantasy game. Just some boring action RPG.

>>384867626
Because it's shit, and even the ass-backwards FFXIII managed to be 'more FF' than XV.

>>384867626
Half baked story, No magic on game, noctis-kun, empty cities,QuickTime event bosses.

>>384867626
>main female protagonist is one-note, boring as shit and has 5 minutes of screen time
>romance is non-existent and contrived, especially with the ending
>completely falls apart after Leviathan
>world of ruin is a brief, awkward pit stop, where you find your friends in the same clothes, with the same personalities after ten years
>you're actually supposed to believe 10 years has passed
>Tenebrae is literally a train pit-stop exposition dump
>There's no telling what's even going on in the ending with all this generic JRPG magic schlock, despite the rest of the game being pretty grounded
>ending doesn't even shed light on supporting cast, or what happens to the world--tons of loose ends, not rewarding or pays off
>lame as fuck--discover every interesting thing through newspapers and radio transmissions
>character moments are sold as DLC and leave huge awkward gaps in the story, like Prompto revealing earth shattering news and the party dismissing it instantly
>can't pick up multiple hunts--have to constantly travel back and forth between supplier and hunt and endure incredibly long load times each time
>game was literally barebones in terms of necessary content at launch
>Leviathan and Titan are some of the worst sequences in modern videogames (Mat Kishimoto did nothing wrong, he was doing his best but the sequences were just that bad)
>have an exclusive MMO timed-event for a singleplayer game
>literal unaccessible, cannon content in the form of Platinum Demo
>Ardyn is a generic mustache twirling villain with inexplicable plot device powers like an almighty subdue power that conveniently subdues the entire party for the final battle, despite all the "power" they've acquired along their journey

What did I miss?

Released too late from announcement while also not even being a finished title. Too far removed from the base of the (already really loose) franchise core similarities with the previous entries. Lacked a director with any kind of vision, a glorified manager just told their staff to do whatever they felt like they could do, and a product lacking cohesion is what was released. Combat that is somehow less engaging and more one dimensional than a turn based game where you'd only select [Fight] repeatedly.

>>384869006
The weird part is their flippant addressing of Magitek prompto works nicely with the dlc. Prompto's spends days worrying about their reactioj and they just don't give a shit since he matters to them. It shows how Prompto constantly tries to convince himself that he isn't a real part of the group.

It's a shame that FFXV was sliced up for dlc.

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>>384869006
You missed
>awful character design
I also didn't appreciate how characters like Cindy and Dino can just order the prince of their country around to do mindless errands like it's nothing. That made absolutely no sense to me

>>384867626
JRPGs are on the slow decent down ward and /v/ dosent want to expect it.

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>>384870116
>JRPGs are on the slow descent downward
That's where you're wrong.

>>384867626
Because people waited 10 years for a rough and unfinished game.

It felt like an MMO in which you were the only active player.

>big empty world
>almost every task was a fetch quest
>dungeons felt randomly generated
>empty towns and cities with nothing to do within them
>most npcs only had a few quirky lines but were solely present to fill space

The game wasn't fun to play or explore either.

>automated driving
>automated combat
>traversal on foot hindered by a stamina bar
>chocobos had to be grinded in order to be made viable
>repair a broken down car for the 20th time
>venture to those ruins in the distance or this isolated area only to find a useless item or nothing at all
>no magic
>summons were random
>bosses and combat was mostly QTE and mindless button mashing

The characters and story wasn't very good either.

>blonde bimbo is your forced love interested even though she's a literal who
>cant romance the little sister
>you need to purchase DLC in order for your bros to develop as characters
>not even the anime adaption dedicated to these guys gave them very much depth
>the guy going blind was dumb melodrama
>that corridor level was an abomination
>I can't even recall most of what went on this game
>muh sad ending for the feels

>>384867626
Only people who havnt played it/Nomurafags/KHfags/FF13 fags who are really one type pretend it's bad, they're just triggered because it sold so well, received well and has more GOTY awards than any other FF. It's by far the best FF.

FFXIV or XV?

>>384867626
I see far more love for it than hate.

>>384867728
It's a massive step forward.

>>384867791
It's more of an FF than any has been in the past 17 years.

>>384871808
XIV

>>384868316
No it didn't XIII-kun you fucking retard.

>>384868597
There is magic, Noctis is the best FF protag yet, the story isn't half baked at all, FF7, 8, 9, 10 all had QTEs in them too.

>>384871931
>It's a massive step forward.
Forward off a cliff that is.

>>384867626
It's a bit of a mess

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>>384871808
Play it for the best girl in the franchise

>>384869006
That you're a fucking faggot with the only valid thing you said is you can only take on one hunt.

Fuck off back to gamefaqs you fucking cunt.

>>384872143
This.

>>384871808
XV is superior in every single way.

>>384870428
Yeah you havnt even played XV and are most likely samefagging.

>>384872143
>>384872202
>poster IP didn't even go up.

I was literally checking, because of how predictable you are.
Why must you samefag? Is it because no one agrees with you?

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>>384872224
Really makes one think.

>>384872031
On which which you fly off and soar into the sky because of how fantastic it is.

>>384867626
Fuck off XV-kun you spastic fuck.

>>384872297
Oh the fucking irony.

>>384872297
Look at the time, he couldn't have samefagged. If he did, it would've been from another IP address which would have increased the unique poster count anyways.

>>384872278
But he's right?

>>384869784
Well to be fair Noctis was kind of a bitch, I 'd expect him to get ordered by nobodies

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>>384872342
>because of how fantastic it is.
I played Sonic 06 back on release and didn't think it was very fantastic, my mind hasn't changed ten years later.

>>384872325
Yeah it makes one think how much of a fucking retard you are for reposting the same fucking clip of some retard playing like shit. Go fucking kill yourself KH fag it's so fucking obvious it's you.

>>384872143
>"only that one particular thing is valid because I said so"

They're actually all valid complaints that everyone has with the game.

>>384871808
WoFF

>>384871931
t. XV-kun

People waited a decade for a painfully mediocre and unfinished mess.

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>>384872420
>He
No, you aren't.

>>384872458
Hey look it's KH fag at it again.

>>384872490
No they aren't, stop samefagging.

It's funny how FFXII with an added fast-forward button is a million times better than FFXV.

>>384872558
Honestly this.

>>384872534
Just wait for KH3

>>384872625
It's funny how XII is such a piece of shit they had to add a fast forward button because they know 12 is a slog of shit. It's inferior completely to XV.

>>384872625
XV has a fast forward button in the form of the ring. So glad it lets you skip every dogshit encounter.

>>384872708
/thread

>>384872778
Don't /thread yourself.

>>384872819
His autism has no boundaries.

>>384872558
>KH2 came out before Sonic 06
????

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I want to visit the alternate timeline where FFXV was finished and good.

>TFW you will never experience XV for the first time again
Why go on?

I really didn't have too much of an issue with the story and I enjoyed the bantz between the main cast. The problem was the braindead mash X to win gameplay, and magic was a complete joke.

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>>384872921
>tfw you will never get those valuable hours of your life back
>tfw you could've spent 20 hours playing a better game and or literally doing anything else and it would've been time better spent

Time travel when?

It feels rushed and is missing many elements people were looking forward to in Versus XIII

What happens if the FFVII remake disappoints like XV? They will just halt the other two parts of the story?

>>384867626
Legitimately the only people I ever see trying to shit on the game are people who haven't played it.

>>384873748
Then why are they shitting on it?

Why was Noctis' head so big in the final chapter?

It's like they made an older head and then plopped it on his tiny teen body.

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>>384873963

>>384869006
Wrong, Luna shows more emotional range than most FF main females do their entire game, and she has as much cutscene as there are FMVs in FF7.
Romance is existent and works just fine.
It doesn't fall appart at all after Leviathan, if anything the story only picks up and becomes more intense with more stakes.
All of them have clearly changed by that point which is extremely obvious just from comparing them to the start of the game. You really don't know what character development is do you? It doesn't mean doing a 180, it means growing as a character and building on top of what was already there which they all did.
Yes it's very clearly evident that 10 years have passed.
Tenebrae was destroyed when you got there, it serves its purpose.
There is telling what's going on in the ending with it being very well established what's happening and clearly evident to even the most casual viewer, nothing was generic at all and it all pays off.
You are literally told what the other characters were doing in the world of ruin so yes it does shed light on them.
Nothing is lame about actually having to explore the world to discover its secrets and learn about the story, in fact that is what RPGs should be doing instead of forcing you into hallways and shoving shit down your throat because they think you're too stupid to find things on your own.
The DLC is out, it doesn't matter if it's in DLC anymore, this is not a valid argument and won't be by the time they do the complete collection either
The only valid thing you have said so far
No the game had over 150 hours of content at launch, before any of the DLC or updates.
No they are not, Leviathan has a ton of spectacle and the TItan fight is just like a regular fight just at larger scale, Mat did play like shit
Timed events have nothing to do with MMO
Plat demo is a tech demo
No, Ardyn is the best villain in the entire franchise with well defined motives and evident powers, nothing about him is generic or mustache twirling.

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>>384869784
>awful character design
Except XV has the best character design in the entire franchise. 30yo Noctis is by far the best FF protag design ever.

>>384874175
>>384874231
This guy gets it.

>>384874175
>Ardyn is the best villain

He is unironically becoming the best through the DLCs. He's the Reverse Flash of JRPGS

>>384867626
It's not perfect, but its certainly no where near as bad as /v/ claims it is, but then again you're on /v/.

FFXV is realistically a 7/10

They made the gameplay, story, world and characters minor sideshows. The game's all about trying to show off the graphical design of the world, but the world is empty, boring and you barely know anything about it. Battles look great, but they play themselves. Characters are presumed to be interesting without any development or background given. The story comes through in occasional short cutscenes and the rest of the time you only have a vague idea of what's going on. This is a series that's supposed to be strong in all theae areas and instead they thought it'd be best to ignore all this and chase the Skyrim and GTA audience. Sales were probably ok because of this but they're killing the series in the long term with stuff like this.

>>384870428
>It felt like an MMO in which you were the only active player.
No it didn't.

It's more full than any other FF world

No it isn't, Behemoth quest isn't, dungeon quests aren't, on tour quests aren't

No they didn't, they felt well crafted and specifically designed with keen artistic direction and level design, some of the best in the franchise

They are as full if not more so than towns in any other FF and there is more to do in them than in other FFs too.

NPCs say more things and more interesting things than random NPCs do in older FFs

The game wasn fun to play and explore.


You can manually drive, not an argument.

Nothing about combat is automated, it's manual ARPG combat and you have manual control over every action Noctis does.


No it isn't because you have buffs to have unlimited stamina plus outfits to have unlimited stamina, plus you have chocobo and the regalia to go off road. Did you even play the fucking game?

What the fuck, no they don't, you just do the Behemoth quest to unlock the chocobos and then you have chocobo's as they always are, they are viable as soon as you get them, all the "level" on them does is boost their stamina, which you can do from giving them buffs at camp anyway


You only have to repair it once and it only happens at the very beginning of the game as part of an interactive cutscene.
>venture to those ruins in the distance or this isolated area only to find a useless item or nothing at all
There is magic.
Summons actually fit into the narrative and have proper context, plus far more impact than summons in other FFs
>bosses and combat was mostly QTE and mindless button mashing
Bosses and combat was mostly manual, "QTEs" were optional and there is only 2 boss fights in the entire game that has them mandatory, and even then that's only like a few button presses anyway at the very end of the fight.

The characters and story was very good.

>>384874483
>>384874392
>>384874231
>>384874175

Holy shit stop talking to your self, you absolute loony. No one is ever going to take someone who's Twitter feed for the past half-decade has been nothing but gay XV shit and also spent that half-decade damage controlling on every forum imaginable. You literally invalidate yourself by just existing as the fanatic fantard you are. I actually wouldn't mind having a debate with a normal, well adjusted human regarding XV, because they can think for themselves and aren't deluded by years of fan-art and staying in their little XV bubble on Twitter. Your opinions have zero credibility and will never have credibility.

>>384870428

Luna isn't a bimbo and she isn't a forced anything, she is also the most important figure within the games world, the opposite of a "literally who"

You can't "romance" anyone in any FF you fucking idiot, don't even try and act like FF7 or 10 has "romance", you don't do shit to impact the canon as far as those "dates" or hidden value goes.

You don't need to purchase them because they already develop in the game, the DLC just shows more of it and even then people who bought hte game bought he season pass as part of the game, thus they just bought the game which the DLC is already a part off, not an argument

The anime shows more depth to them than any party in FF has done in the past, and even then that's all done far more in depth in the game anyway

Ignis going blind was not only one of the most impactful things to ever happen in FF but the fact that they didn't just handwave it and actually dealt with it too was far more than FF has ever done for character being afflicted in the past.

>that corridor level was an abomination
No it wasn't, it was just a standard fortress dungeon.

>I can't even recall most of what went on this game
That's because you havn't played it.

>muh sad ending for the feels
Yeah it has a sad ending which is also the best ending any FF has ever had.

>>384872871
So Sonic 06 is shit because it ripped off KH2?

>>384874846
It depends whether or not you're judging it as a JRPG. As a JRPG 7/10 would be extremely generous

>>384873832
Jealousy?

>>384874846
That's still a shit score.

>>384874923
>she is also the most important figure within the games world
Then why does she have less than ten minutes of screen time?

>>384874950
No, you uninformed idiot. Sonic '06 is shit for having horrible art-direction, being a buggy, unfinished mess, and having a terrible story, like XV.

>>384874846
This

>>384867626
gay as fuck
not ff

>>384874987
Yeah this is important to know. If it's being judged as an old school turn-based JRPG than it obviously isn't in line with what is expected.
Basically it isn't outdated shit with a piss poor story that uses visual storytelling

>>384874231
This. It's rare for a JRPG protagonist to look like a man so we cherish any time it happens.

>>384874920
>you're talking to yourself for some reason
Do you have proof? You seem triggered because you got BTFO and have to cling onto some trivial shit instead of making actual arguments. What the fuck credibility do you even have when you haven't even made an argument?

>>384874920
I think you need to fix your detector.

>>384874920
Are you autistic?

>>384875053
>Shit game gets a shit score
Not seeing the problem.

>>384875076
She has as much screentime as your average Zelda, who is the equivalent to Luna in XV.

>>384875137
Why did you just described KH2?

>>384875076
First of all she has at least 30 minutes of screentime. Second of all important figures within a game don't always need to be at the forefront of screentime and screen presence. Take Zelda for example.

>>384875156
ff is pretty gay though in general

>>384875156
>the guys all hit on girls and openly flirt with them
>the girls also openly flirt with the guys

>b-but it's gay because they are guys and they are friends

>>384875616
Things that never happen in Final Fantasy XV for $500.

>>384868316
>FFXIII managed to be 'more FF' than XV.
The fuck? No it didn't

FF has a world map with tons, NPCs, classic Amano monster designs, magitek enemies, actual world exploration, dungeons, development characters and story elements straight from the classic FFs like the plague, the crystal with kingdoms warring over it, magitek society etc.

FF13 is literally just a corridor straight line with no exploration and you can't backtrack to previous areas for 80% of the game and then an empty circle grass plain with only a few monsters in it for 1 chapter. 13 doesn't have any classic FF tropes in it at all.

>>384875754
>help guys I didn't play XV or notice Prompto constantly talking about and obsessing over Cidney, Iris getting wet just from being near Noctis, Aranea openly acting flirty with the guys etc

>>384875238
>>384875269
>>384875295

You will never have credibility, ever. Look at yourself. You are the exact kind of person people stay away from in discussions. In terms of being a fanboy, you are an open book and you have been for a long time. No one on this board, or any forum will or should ever take you seriously. You are a detriment to yourself, a walking contradiction. You really think you can defend XV with a long history of almost cartoon-like fanaticism behind you? It's time for a reality check. And the reality is that you're a loud, obnoxious autist who has invested way too many years of his life into a shit game, that he's too stubborn now to admit it to himself that it was all for nothing. I, repeat, you will never be taken seriously. There are people out there that like XV, and are superior candidates to have a discussion with because they aren't lunatics.

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>>384875754
Did you even play it?

>>384876108
Unfortunately.

>>384876024
>He says as he has no actual argument and ignores how he was just BTFO again.

You seem mad because not only did you get destroyed here but also on gamefaqs, you have not only been fucking invalidated but you are so in denial about this that you now have to cling to trivial shit to try and attack the poster instead of the argument, because you have no argument. The only lunatic here is you

>>384876024
Give up.

>>384876024
Jesus christ you couldn't be more autist if you tried. You're responding to multiple people

>>384867626
are any weapon DLCs worth buying?

>>384876168
So that's a no.

>>384876175
This.

>>384875527
Zelda has never been a love-interest, you fucking retard. Luna and Noctis' romance is the worst in the fucking series, because it's literally not even there. They didn't even see each other for 12 years. It's the least believable romance, next to Sonic and that chick from '06.

>"b-but muh FFXVwiki article that goes in depth into their relationship"

>>384876284
Most of them are just weapons of other FF characters aren't they? And some of them you can get from doing time quests.

>>384867626
It didn't come out on pc

>>384876330
i was thinking of masamune because i am a katana faggot, but i am already at chapter 8 and it seems pretty weak

>>384867626
I followed the development since ffvs13 was announced. We were promised a much different experience and frankly better game than the one we actually got. Even after 10 years the game is still unfinished and sloppy. The shear amount of content that was finished or almost finished that was never in the game.

>>384876319
>Zelda has never been a love-interest
Yes she has, on multiple occasions. Have you ever even played a Zelda game before?

>Luna and Noctis' romance is the worst in the fucking series,
No it isn't, it's very well established they are childhood friends who have been communicating with each other through the book for 12 years while they were apart, their own private form of communication. It is there and you are in denial. You act like because they didn't see each other that somehow means they didn't keep in contact from afar. It's also nothing like Sonic 06 so I don't even know why the fuck you keep bringing that up.

>b-but the relationship doesn't count because I sed
Jesus christ dude you're retarded.

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>People will defend this

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>>384876414
The masamune is just a greatsword as a masamune, later on you get an actual katana as one of the royal arms. It's pretty cool but it drains your HP fast.

It is unironically what a snes FF would look and play like in 3D desu.
People just want Dark Souls combat for everything and dream up that their favourite JPGs have amazing plots when they are all complete schlock

>>384876418
>We were promised a much different experience and frankly better game than the one we actually got.
No we weren't.

Majority of the shit we saw during Versus was literally just concepts most of which were already changed. This is literally just a case of "the grass is greener on the other side".

>>384867626
Because it felt really buggy and like they never had time to fill in some of the gaps. The patches have fixed a lot of the bugs but so far, the DLC is pure turd. The main game itself though is still pretty good I reckon. I had a lot of fun, just wish it would get announced for PC already so we can get proper use of the lighting engine.

>>384867626
Autistic haters.

>>384876479
Viable way to fight tonberries, not so viable for anytihng else

>>384871808
FFXI

>>384876175
>>384876230
>>384876212

You're too obvious, XV-Kun. You've done back to back replies to your opposition repeatedly, in the same format, with the same linguistic structure and tone.

FFXV was largely regarded as an abysmal failure of a Final Fantasy. Your insistence otherwise will never change the fact that a huge number of long-running fans of the early series loathe FFXV.

Sorry.

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>>384876479
Meanwhile you'll keep reposting that webm as if it proves anything other than you're a fucking retard for not knowing how shields, warpstrike, magic and combos work. https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/uHam0MPvx6D5wv9wvovGwg/

>>384867626
Meme hair.

Other than that, nothing.

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>>384876620
>People just want Dark Souls combat
No, I want good combat.

>>384876620
This.

>xv-kun
Just ignore him people.

>>384876716
>calling multiple people XV-kun again
Can you get any more autistic?

>FFXV was largely regarded as an abysmal failure of a Final Fantasy.
Said literally no one, it was a massive success financial, critically and has more GOTY awards than any other FF to date. You are literally the only one here trying to act otherwise and ignoring that an overwhelming number of long running fans of the early series love FFXV, myself included.

>>384876716
m8 are you dumb?

>>384876716
Dude fix your detector. Jesus christ.

>>384867626

>The endgame part is so rushed it hurts.
>The magic system is totally worthless.
>The combat system is a joke.
>The story is nonexistant.

And yet I'm 140 hours in and still counting.

>>384876440
>childhood friends who have been communicating with each other through the book for 12 years

Holy fuck, how can you even defend this shit? It's literally a non-relationship, and more of a prolonged pen-pal. This is supposed to be romantic? They never even speak a single word to each other in the game. She's an after-thought, in the game, and to people who played it. The discussion is always about Aranea and the other girls. If Luna is even ever brought up, it's for waifufag purposes, discussing her feet and hips. She's a bland character, who engages in a bland romance.

>>384876802
>him
There is multiple people in this thread being accused of being XV-kun.

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>>384876739
well you're not going to get that with XV. Do you want me to suggest superior games to you?

>>384876936
>>384876963
>>384876973

Wow 3 more back to back immediate response posts reinforcing each other? This is the fourth time this thread, XV-Kun.

But at least you read what I posted and mixed up your linguistics this time. Improvement!

Also i'm only the one above post; I wasn't the guy you were arguing with earlier. I just laugh every time I see your autistic buns in a thread on fanatic XV-defense.

You are legitimately the most spergy, autistic fuck i've ever seen on the internet. Good job

>>384876992
Magic is actually OP as fuck

>>384877025
>Holy fuck, how can you even defend this shit?
Holy fuck how can you have no argument and have this forecd outrage?

>It's literally a non-relationship
How? It's more of a relantionship than Cloud and Tifa had, Tifa barely even knew him as a kid, he was just some guy who lived in her hometown and they talked like once, then she saw him years later. Meanwhile Noctis and Luna spend a while toghetherh while he was healing, they formed a close bond while Noctis was in a vulnerable position and they kept in contact for 12 years. Yes it is romantic, maybe if you weren't a fucking virgin faggot you'd be able to understand that. The fact that she dies as soon as they meet up again is part of the tragedy you fucking idiot.

>She's an after-thought
Do you have proof? Because she is not only responsible for Noctis succeeding in stopping the plague but for him getting the blessing of the summons, and for even being able to camp out at the havens.

Again you are so fucking triggered that even in such the small screentime she had she still showed more range of emotions than most FF main girls do. In XV you see Luna be happy, be sad, be scared, be angry, be shocked, be wistful, be annoyed, be graceful, be brave and be weakened. Are you fucking retarded or did you seriously not pay attention to anything? I don't remember Aeris being anything but slightly chipper, I don't remember Tifa being angry or sad.

>>384877096
But you are.

>>384877189
Wow this is the 4th time you've accused three posts within the same minute as being the same person. Do you even know how 4chan works?

>>384877189
Nobody is as autistic as you.

>>384877189
Wow man you've lost it.

>>384877502
>>384877535
>>384877538

Wow, back to being blatantly obvious, XV-Kun.

Better luck next thread. By the by, 90% of the thread viewers see through your hilariously shitty constant "IM NOT THAT GUY" "SRSLY"

>>384877670
>You are XV-kun because you are three different people
Are you going somewhere with this?

>>384877670
Do you even know how 4chan works? 3 posts within a minute can't be one person.

>>384877670
>it's another XV-kun accusation post.

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>>384876230
>>384876212
>>384876175

The argument is that you are a fanboy to unhealthy degrees. Degrees that should render you eligible for some sort of psychiatric ward. There is no reason to discuss something in a serious manner with a crackpot, who defends a game for 8 hours straight frequently, has spent a quarter of his life vehemently defending the game on various forums (to the point that he's garnered a reputation for himself), and hiding in his XV twitter safe-space. You may be mentally ill, if the opinions of other people have bothered you for this long without, change.You definitely have to have some form of illness to enter a thread on Page 10, respond to posts from hours ago and sage every one of your responses. What's my argument? You're sick. You're not a healthy individual to have worthwhile discussions with. You're credibility can't sink any lower, at this point. All your efforts are futile and become archived in a grand collection of evidence as to why no one should ever bother with you.

>>384877790
That isn't an argument, that is you trying to attack the poster instead of the actual argument made. You got proven wrong, and you couldnt' deal with it, so you tried to attack the poster which is why you are clinging to shit like twitter posts or some shit. Like why should anyone take you seriously when you have no actual argument and are deflecting to some twitter shit instead of making an actual argument? All you've done is expose how BTFO you are.

>>384877790
THIS
BTFO

>>384877790
Can you stop?

>>384867626
I think its a step in the right direction
next time they need
>Better Side Quests
>Story that is coherent and flushed out
>Ways to travel the world that don't suck
>Magic variety
>Weapons with abilities. (ie fire damage etc)
>Crafting system

>>384877790
why are you responding to me

>>384877928
If you mean he was BTFO, yeah he is because he has no argument.

>>384877790
Damn, you got him..

>>384877991
See >>384877896

Nope.

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>>384877790
this kills the XV kun

>>384877790
Says the guy without any credibility.

>>384867626
Because it failed at pretty much everything it set out to do. I went in wanting to love it, too.

>>384878073
>>384877991
>>384877928
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>>384878078
But it succeeded in pretty much everything it set out to do.

>>384877790
XV-kun B T F O

>>384878214
>resets his IP
Man you're pathetic.

>>384878214
That faggot was btfo here >>384877896

>>384870351
That's what hurts the most out of this. Millions of people spent a decade eagerly awaiting this heap of shit.

>>384878389
Millions of people spent a decade eagerly awaiting and received a fantastic game.

>>384878389
XV is good though.

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>>384867626
I don't hate it, I just really wished it was better than it turned out to be.

The combat doesn't know what it tries to be so it feels half-baked in both the action and progression aspects

Most bosses are boring to fight and completely unmemorable because they feel like rehashes of normal enemies with 1 or 2 unique attacks or some spectacle bullshit with zero mechanics involved.

The overworld design is hella beautiful and all, but has jack shit to offer in terms of content or interesting events.

Hutns have some cool unique fights, but they are implemented in such a lame way and have zero backstories or substance to them (unlike FFXII, holly hell I wished so much the hunts would be like in that game).

Characters are likeable but they're stuck in an awfully amateurish story telling, writing and half-baked plot

Also I fucking hate that Insomnia invasion was cut out into a mediocre movie. They should've made the """open world""" smaller but included it no matter what.

>>384878534
Aranea, Ravus, Ifrit, Ardyn, plus Gilgamesh and Cor fights are alll great.

>>384878534
The animation for the movie for the movie was incredible, it is to bad it was a terrible movie.

>>384878534
>Also I fucking hate that Insomnia invasion was cut out into a mediocre movie.

Do people forget how uneventful the insomnia invasion looked in the versus trailer? Like all the cool shit that happened in kingsglaive wouldn't have happened otherwise.

if it was playable like it was in versus it would have just been fighting regular imperial troops, which you fight regularly in the game anyway, probably going inside the citadel fighting more troops and some imps, then leaving the city fighting a behemoth, then a fight with some more imperial troops and most likely ending by fighting Aranea.

Compare to how much stuff actually goes on in KG with the daemon weapons, Nyx fighting Glauca and all the other stuff.

The stuff with Regis and Iedolas would have most likely resulted the same both ways though.

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>>384877896
How is it not an argument? I have evidence that you're a fanboy, first and foremost. I have further evidence as to why you are a fanatic, and very radical in your approach, to unhealthy degrees. Why isn't that enough to dismiss you, and the likes of you forever? Why would anyone ever consider having a serious discussion with someone with of your notorious history of extremism and obnoxious behavior, especially when there are proper, reasonable discussion to be had elsewhere? There are too many documented cases of you being unfit to be reasoned with, and are frankly, just a very loud buzzing in everyone's ear at this point. There's nothing wrong with XV threads. In fact, when you're not here, most likely banned, there's some interesting discussion among level-head individuals regarding the game. You need to acknowledge at the very least, that you are a detriment to yourself and these threads. If yo're willing to comply more, you;d acknowledge that you may be ill, because I think everyone can agree that you demonstrate very unnatural behavior to be considered healthy.

>>384878880
go easy on him holy shit, he might kill himself

>>384878880
is he ded?

>>384878880
Because you aren't addressing any argument made, you are going on some tangential bullshit about something that happened on twitter and trying to attack the poster instead of focusing on the actual argument made in this thread.

Second of all you keep trying to act like your words have any merit or credibility when you have done nothing to show any reason to think that, because for one you havn't made an actual argument counter to what was posted in this thread here >>384874920 in response to the post with the argument here >>384874175 , and on top of that you tried to accuse 4 people of being 1 person while having no actual argument to counter with.

Why are you being such a hypocrite? Nothing you are doing is reasonable, you are being extremely obnoxious and you have literally not made a single valid argument this entire thread. For whatever reason you are just shitposting about the poster and trying to make shit up instead of focusing on the argument at hand. Because you got proven wrong and you are too much of a little bitch to address that fact.

I'm in countless FFXV threads, including the ones you think I'm somehow not appart of that you claim are the good ones. The only one who is a detriment to these threads are people like you who accuse everyone who likes or defend the game as being one person, then just focuses on the poster instead of the argument while you derail the thread with your bullshit.

>>384879021
>>384879108
You can stop.

>>384879158
Calm down, kid.

>>384878880
now this is autism

>>384878879
>if it was playable like it was in versus it would have just been fighting regular imperial troops, which you fight regularly in the game anyway, probably going inside the citadel fighting more troops and some imps, then leaving the city fighting a behemoth, then a fight with some more imperial troops and most likely ending by fighting Aranea.

How is that much different from the things that happen in the main game?
At least the setting is different and there would be actual proper implementation of the warp points in front of the palace considering the enemies were supposed to come down from there like.

Plus there's the Ravus showdown near the crystal and who says they couldn't implement Glauca fight considering he's been seen in E3 2013 trailer too.

Nah, screw Kingsglaive.

>>384879271
>How is that much different from the things that happen in the main game?
That's my point. You already do that stuff as part of the regular game anyway so what makes the insomnia invasion so special as it was shown to be in Versus? Also in Versus they didn't even have warpstrikes or point warps shown, so you saying warp points in regards to how it was shown in Versus doesn't jive.

And while Ravus most likely would have done some more stuff than what he did in KG, it's whatever at this point. KG still has a far more devastating version of the invasion with far more going on than what it was gonna be in Versus.

>>384878576
>Ravus
>Ardyn

Nah, they're pretty boring. Ravus is just spam warp strike and attack till he's dead and warp away when he's about to do the AoE attack

Ardyn is just lame and chaotic, his hit-stun points are random as fuck which is lame considering he's a humanoid boss and all his moves are literally a copy paste of Noctis's attacks

Gilgamesh would be fun if Gladio's combat wasn't a poor man's Yakuza gameplay.

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>>384879439
Human bosses have hyper armor by default, the bros as camp when you fight them are also classified as such too.

>>384879389
I'm not talking about Versus though, I'm talking about XV and the first point of advertisement for XV was the Insomnia invasion sequence and it looked fucking fantastic in 2013, and was supposed to be in the game no matter what.
Separating such a cool sequence and important plot thread in a mediocre movie in my opinion was the worst thing they concluded on

>>384879546
>Human bosses have hyper armor by default

I fucking hate this in this game, makes the combat feels weightless when you fight them.
Hyper armor works for bigger enemies, but ffs make the humanoid ones retaliate after a certain number of hits or dodge properly instead you hacks.

>>384879158
Your post here >>384874175 exhibits the exact traits and trends I'm talking about. All I read were a lot of "Wrong, because I am right" and I frankly, knowing you, your history as the fanatic you are, your behavior, choose not to respond in an act to save myself from the unproductive and fruitless chain of responses that will follow. I choose to discuss my points with someone that, frankly, doesn't have the background you do. Your background is toxic and unappealing. As a matter of fact, I choose not discuss with you because I don't consider you credible nor fit to have a serious discussion with. I would only be wasting my own time. You're points are insignificant to me, as I've explained to you why. My preferences aren't extreme, really. Just, don't be you. Or be like you, meaning don't have an unpleasant record of zealot-like admiration for a game preceding it's release, by many years.

>>384880031
FUCKING GOT 'EM holy shit

>>384880031
>Your background is toxic and unappealing
so fucking true

>>384879616
>was the Insomnia invasion sequence and it looked fucking fantastic in 2013

The 2013 trailer showed the Leviathan sequence as mocked up CGI, and a tech demo of some gameplay clips they had fighting some soldiers in Insomnia, that Insomnia gameplay from 2013 wasn't actually part of the "story", it was part of a prototype build they had created and they just framed it around the citadel. They kept using the Citadel in tech demo stuff in 2014, 2015 and in 2016 with even plat demo using it too.

>>384880031
>exhibits the exact traits and trends I'm talking about.
Traits of what? Being informed and being things you can't counter, thus you just deflect to some twitter shit instead?

How is the post it is a response to somehow right? How about you actually fucking counter what is being said instead of making a non argument by focussing on some tangential twitter shit instead you fucking hack? You no only know you are full of shit but you are so fucking desperate to ignore that you got blown the fuck out that is why you are trying to deflect to attacking the poster instead of the argument itself. Nothing you have said is credible or factual, you are full of shit and always have been, you got proven wrong and you can't fucking deal with it, that is why you are such a pathetic piece of shit and why you are worth nothing. You haven't made any valid points, all you've fucking done is backpedal and try to act like you somehow have some moral highground because you didn't make any arguments to address how you got fucking blown the fuck out.

>>384880101
>>384880219
No, he got fucking destroyed.

>>384880591
>that Insomnia gameplay from 2013 wasn't actually part of the "story"

Wrong. When the Altissia footage was running, the dialogue was still about the invasion and how they need to get to the crystal and Regis before the empire does. Same with all the CG cutscenes.

And it doesn't really matter whether the sequences shown were story related or not, they looked fucking sick and in the end we got just 2 stupid iron giants with flame swords because of which you can't even see shit on the screen.

Kill yourself XV-kun.

>>384880791
No, it's true.

>When the Altissia footage was running
First of all again that Altissia footage was mocked up CGI to look like gameplay, not actual gameplay. Second of all having a trailer dub with dialog that would take place in Insomnia but overlayed onto the Altissia clips doesn't mean anything, it just means they recorded some dialog. And that also has nothing to do with the actual Insomnia gameplay they showed which was part of a prototype tech demo build they had created, not an actual part of the "story".

The 2013 trailer is a masterclass of bullshit and lies, even at the time.

>>384880924
You first.

>>384880929
>First of all again that Altissia footage was mocked up CGI to look like gameplay, not actual gameplay
Where did I say it was? You're just spoting irrelevant stuff because you want to prove yourself right in some aspect or another?

>And that also has nothing to do with the actual Insomnia gameplay they showed which was part of a prototype tech demo build they had created, not an actual part of the "story".

Once again, the initial point was not about. It's about the fact that the "tech demo" they used looked fantastic and I want it in the game.
Geez, you are autistic.

>>384880969
>n-no u
Absolutely pathetic. Die.

>>384881149
You are talking about the 2013 trailer, you mentioned dialog that happens, but just because there is dialog has nothing to do with the gameplay itself, in addition to the fake altissia gameplay in that trailer.

And it was just a tech demo from a prototype, stop getting so hung up on it, it just showed some basic stuff. In the final game you got soldiers situated outside the Citadel with the Behemoth right ouside it, then the Iron Giants inside it after you beat Ifrit. All that 2013 Insomnia tech demo prototype build did was have them at the Citadel, but even they they were never all there at the same time, implying they just rerecorded clips with different settings loaded in.

>>384881279
You first.

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>>384880761
I am on a moral highground. Discussion is valuable to me, and so is my time, and if it's with the likes of you, I do not want to engage in any form of discussion. Every fanbase has a "you". And everyone in those fanbases stays far away from "you", for all the right reasons. Your history is undeniable and even scarier when you realize how long you've been at this. In fact, you're not even denying anything I'm saying, because it's all true. Why wouldn't it be, right? The evidence is all there. The Twitter point is not tangential, as it is undeniable proof of your fanboy heritage. I don't know anyone who has a Twitter like yours, dedicated to one game for countless years, but if I did, I wouldn't take them seriously. They are of other kind, something radical, sick even, and should not be engaged with if looking for genuine discussion. And then comes the evidence that you've stayed true to your fanatic roots for all these years by vehemently defending a game that wasn't even out yet. And within these years lies, countless cases of ban-evasion, straight up bans, and other incredibly unattractive behavior. I am completely justified in not wanting to discuss with you, and I think if you'd put yourself in, perhaps, everyone else's shoes, you'd realize I am too. You are, simply, "that guy" in every fanbase. That obnoxious, stubborn lunatic who developed an unhealthy obsession for something and goes to unhealthy, extremes to admire it. And I don't want to converse with that guy.

>>384882156
i think he's gone...

>>384877246

Maybe you're right, but I totally dropped it around level 20 and I still manage to win every fight easily (bosses included) 'til level 100.

>>384882308
for good hopefully, he's been btfo

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>>384882156
straight up murdered, holy shit

>>384882156
No you aren't, you have no fucking highground what so ever. Everything you have done has been a fucking deflection to the actual argument because you cannot fucking counter anything. You have just been talking out of your ass this entire fucking time with nothing valid to say, you have no fucking credbility, if you did you would actually try and fucking address what the argument at hand is instead of trying to fucking deflect to twitter again. You have time and time again proven you have no fucking argument, you have no fucking clue what you are even trying to say. You are so fucking triggered that you got blown the fuck out that the only think you can do is deflect to twitter and other bullshit. Like what the fuck?

You still are not addressing the argument, you are trying to attack the poster instead of the argument at hand. You are pathetic, you are a fucking weasel, you are a hypocrite, you are a fucking little bitch incapable of forming any sort of counter argument because you know you're just going to get destroyed anyway. That is why you keep acting as if you have the highground because you attack the poster instead of the argument instead.

You are such a pathetic little bitch you can do nothing but spout bullshit while ignoring how you have been completely fucking blown the fuck out in every aspect possible. You are not justified in anything, you are wrong, you were proven wrong and you cannot deal with it. You are a fucking child kicking and screaming because you were completely countered with facts, and you can't deal with those facts so you just try to attack the person who said the facts instead of trying to counter the facts. You are obnoxious, you are cancerous, you are the fucking lunatic with an unhealthy obsession over me the poster instead of trying to actually bother making a fucking argument worth a fuck. You are the epitome of everything wrong with FFXV threads.

>>384882308
>>384882370
>>384882540
Says the faggot who was BTFO.

>>384882156
Somewhere deep inside in my heart I want to believe that bazzy is just trolling us all.

You can't be serious when you still keep defending all the bullshit design decisions and downgrades this game underwent prior to release, especially when you kept defending so many things that aren't even in the game all these years prior to its release.

For real, I can't imagine him finishing the game and not being disappointed in it from the moment Altissia started.

>>384882540
>this desperate samefagging attempt

>>384882946
>all the bullshit design decisions
Like?

> and downgrades
You mean upgrades?

>especially when you kept defending so many things that aren't even in the game all these years prior to its release.
Such as?

For real I can't imagine how autistic you must be and incapable of forming an actual original thought let alone an actual argument.

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I don't see this much autism even in Pokèmon threads. This is hilarious, both of you keep it up.

>>384882540
looks like he got murdered by this >>384882848 desu

>>384882156
That image is true though.

Yeah, but then he posts stuff like this >>384883061 and you just know he is a lost cause.

>>384883170
And then you post shitposts like >>384883170 and
>>384882946 and it's obvious you are a lost cause who can't even come up with an actual argument, you just spout bullshit.

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>>384883170
the game was objectively upgraded

>>384883329
whoa that's actually a pretty big upgrade.


the fuck, is that other guy trying to meme post or something then?

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>>384883329
kek just stop

Duscae looks infinitely better and if they had the time to fine-tune, it would've ran well too

>>384883464
Stop what? Why are you posting one showing water at mid day to one showing water during sunset?

See>>384883329

It was a massive upgrade.

man it looks gorgeous and I want to continue playing it but its boring for some reason
especially the long distances I had to walk or drive
I can't convince myself to start playing it again, I only played a few hours

>>384883464
>two different times of day
wow it's nothing

If you love the game so much bazzy why don't you marry it?

>>384883464
>ignores the upgraded vegetation on grass, trees and shrubs
>ignores the upgraded rocks
>ignores the upgraded draw distance
>ignores there being more enemies and monsters rendered at once now
>ignores the upgraded ground textures
>ignores the upgraded lighting
>ignores the upgraded image quality
>ignores the upgraded animations
>ignores that ep Duscae had no weather while final game does
>tries to compare cloudy overcast middle of the day to a sunset bright sunny day with the sun hitting the water because it is sunset

Fuck you you blind fuck.

>>384867626
Because it's a legit masterpiece and /v/ desperately wanted it to fail.

>>384883464
Now I'm convinced you're retarded.

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>>384883464
>Duscae looks infinitely better
Dude just fucking stop.

>>384883889
BTFO

>>384883464
i always knew these anti ffxv shitters were braindead

>>384883329
>>384883889
Yeah this is a huge upgrade.

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And this will finish him off.

>>384884229
this kills the shitposters.

>>384884229
completely btfo

>>384883061
>Like?

Oh boy, can't wait for you to tell me that it's all wrong because you say so, but here goes:

>cheap copy-pasted fetch quests that don't add anything to the gameplay or story or world-building

>poorly implemented hunts which are not only inconvenient to partake in (for the sake of prolonging the gaming time) but also have no interesting scenarios, pre-requesits or stories to them when it was already done in FF12

>important character-building story arcs blatanly and abruptly cut out of the main game just to sell separate DLC pieces

>Leviathan fight (and no, it being a spectacle fight is not an argument of how brain-numbingly bad it is)

>Invisible walls all around the world despite it being supposed to be "open"

>The whole ascension grid being a whole wasted opportunity since there are no unique combat modifiers except for 3-4 skills (all of which are dodge/recovery/distance-closer related instead of actually modifying your combat abilities) and just lame stats increases or party members abilities you'd give two craps about since you're in control of only 3 of them at a time.

>armiger being one of the worst "devil trigger"-like abilities implemented in an action games since you can't even deactivate it normally without triggering a 10 seconds cutscene and it doesn't even change with more royal arms acquired aside from dps from weapons that automatically get thrown at the enemies while you still cycle through the same 4 basic attacks over and over again randomly going into airstep which happens automatically. The worse being only Spartan Rage in GoW3

>making important story bits a fucking radio broadcast/newspaper headline giving an excuse that Noctis wasn't supposed to see these things happen when we still see a bunch of scenes that Noctis couldn't

Honestly, I can go on and on, but you'll still find away to excuse everything and say that it's the best game ever and everyone who has problems with it are just shitposters or didn't play it

how do I not pussy out? I do it everywhere even tho I enjoy playing these games
same in Nier: Automata
as soon as the games gets a little bit deeper or a new mechanic comes up or something I stop playing like a fucking pussy

in ff 15 it was when they gave me these weapons that reduce your hp per hit or something
I want to play this so badly again but if something new comes up again I'm not sure how to deal with I will probably stop playing again

I'm sad

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>>384882848
I have made my case for why I wish to not speak with you or your kind, and I have provided you with more than enough compelling evidence as to why. I have already countered your argument. I have not been attacking you at all this entire time. Everything I've said is a fact. You exhibit traits that could be described as unhealthy, obnoxious, stubborn, lunacy. You are an obsessive fanboy, plain and simple. Someone with an unpleasant, downright revolting history of extreme fanaticism. Someone who always needs to get the last word in, even if it's just to insult them. You're a very vapid person, measuring your successes in how many times you can claim "btfo" in a single wall of text.

You, on the other hand are attacking me, and resorting back to an argument that has been already been refuted, countless times. It's very hypocritical of you. Your last post is an incoherent mess of slurs and projections. I feel like I'm talking in circles with you. You need to realize you are not a typical poster. You are not a typical fan. You are entirely something else and will be treated as "something else". You really have the audacity to demand for discussion knowing very well the type of person you are? Get real. And please, get some help.

This is the end of the discussion. Here's a more attractive Luna for your troubles.

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>>384867626
Because its a terrible final fantasy the story and character execution is straight up garbage. By character i mean we need to play fucking dlc's and its hidden away in the menu of the game, its not accessible throughout the maingame.

>>384884274
And I can't wait for you to act like everything you said somehow isn't allowed to be countered.

>>cheap copy-pasted fetch quests that don't add anything to the gameplay or story or world-building
Wrong, Vyv quests all send you to place to do with the Astral war and are part of world building, even the frog catching stuff is related to the longer nights which again is part of the starscourge with new species of frog emerging because of starscourge.

>>poorly implemented hunts which are not only inconvenient to partake in (
The only flat with hunts is that you can't take more than one. They are completely fine otherwise and work well, these "stories" you claim 12 has are literality nothing, even the Behemoth quest in XV is more than what 12 does.

>just to sell separate DLC pieces

This is not an argument, and they aren't abruptly cut out either. The development happens in the main game while the DLC just expands on that. Also the DLC are part of the game now so this is not a valid argument, even more so once the complete collection edition whatever comes out.

> it being a spectacle fight is not an argument of how brain-numbingly bad it is
It is a spectacle fight that achieves being high in spectacle.

>>Invisible walls all around the world despite it being supposed to be "open"
Not any more than W3 has.

Acension grid isn't a wasted anything, it has skills and abilities that you unlock through AP and do you exactly that in the game, you gain impervious giving you hit recoveries which also cancels knockback, you have blink which lets you cancel animations through dodge, you have airslip which lets you do aerial dodges, you have airsteps which let you extend your aerial combos and airdance which lets you stay airborne pretty much as long as you want as long as you have MP and keep doing airsteps, while your weapons themselves already have modifiers on them with directional inputs, which is why you don't need to unlock them, you get new weapons to boot

>>384884274
>armiger being one of the worst "devil trigger"-like abilities implemented in an action games
First of all armiger is a super state which deals a fuckton of damage and is useful in a bind, and when you activate it you do it with the sole intention that you are to expend it, it's not supposed to be a "turn off and on" thing, it's a meter you expend from full charge to depletion which is the point of it, it also increases damage the more royal arms you get which fly into the enemies with the telepathic hits, the more royal arms you have the more damage you do with it.

Importatant events being learned about through the radio or newspaper is how people would find out about those things happening to begin with which makes the world feel more grounded and makes the things feel like they are actually impacting the world and not just happening in some closed off bubble.

Honestly your points have all been countered and you're just going to pretend like you are somehow not countered just because you spouted that shit. And in the meanwhile you'll also try and act like I pretend the game doesn't have flaws just because I countered your bullshit, but hey, you are just here to fucking shitpost like a little bitch.

>>384884547
>I have made my case for why I wish to not speak with you or your kind
Then why are you still responding to me you fucking retard? You still have not mad a single valid argument because you have done nothing but deflect, you got blown the fuck out and you can't deal with it. You havn't provided evidence for anything, all you have done is backpedal away from the actual argument at hand because you cant' deal with being proven wrong. You didn't counter anything even remotely you delusional fuck. Nothing you have said is fact, everything you've said is just you deflecting shit onto twitter or whatever the fuck because you can't deal with being fucking, and you then act like you somehow aren't wrong because you then try to cling to delfecting to your twitter bullshit. You are the biggest fucking hypocrite I've ever seen, you are the epitome of cancerious vapid trash post, you are the shitposter here, you were proven wrong in your bullshit and you were blown the fuck out, and you cannot deal with it.

And I'm only attacking you now because you have failed to counter the actual argument I made and because you started by trying to attack me first you fucking moron, I have already made the argument, you deflected and made some meaningless shitpost by trying to focus on twitter and tried to attack me instead of my argument, I then attack you for all the bullshit you did, while my initial post is still valid and intact as being an argument you have yet to actually counter, thus I can attack you as much as I want in this instance because I already have the argument made which you have yet to actually address. You didn't counter anything, you just fucking deflected and started spouting bullshit. You are the biggest fucking piece of shit on /v/ and you will never be right, and what's even more funny besides the fact that you got BTFO is that you are still triggered that Luna is better than and replaced Stella, otherwise why even post that twitter cap from before?

>>384884709
>Wrong, Vyv quests all send you to place to do with the Astral war and are part of world building, even the frog catching stuff is related to the longer nights which again is part of the starscourge with new species of frog emerging because of starscourge.

How about those which ask you to help the same fucking guy with different shirt and his fucking broken car over ten times with the same dialogue playing out every time? Or give potions to 3 different models of hunters over 10 times too?
>new species of frog emerging because of starscourge
How can you talk about something like that in the game like it's something good with a straight face even?

>these "stories" you claim 12 has are literality nothing, even the Behemoth quest in XV is more than what 12 does.
>"literally" nothing is not an argument, and yes there are bunch of interesting stories there ranging from simple merchants that can't get their wares because of monsters so they fear of their family starving to the ones where the mark you hunt turned out to be a child of the hunt giver who was cursed.
The Behemoth quest in XV is the only quest with any direction and even that is hugely downgraded from Duscae.

>This is not an argument
It is and what you say is not an argument either, just an excuse.

>Not any more than W3 has.
You either haven't played Witcher 3 or just can't find any other way to shitpost. The only invisible walls in W3 is at the maps boarders.

Why do you describe me what exactly is Ascencion grid when it doesn't counter my argument. Directional inputs aren't modifiers, just a different method to do attack which mostly doesn't matter unless they have some evasive properties like one handed sword's backflip. Even then the fact that you play absolutely the same from the start of the game to its end if retarded, especially considering that you have a limit of only 4 weapons slots at a time and vast majority of royal arms are more limited than standard weapons

>>384884583
>Because its a terrible final fantasy
It's a fantasic final fantasy and the character execution is some of the most well executed character dynamics in the entire franchise.

>b-but it's hidden
Nothing is hidden, it's in the game now.

>>384867626
this series is never understandable and always filled with stupid shit to some degree
the best explination as to why a lot of things don't make sense is xv is because time travel and there are theroies you can look into
it's not a bad final fantasy game infact for that it is very good or arguably the best but it is a bad most any other game and that's where the problems come from

>>384884915
>First of all armiger is a super state which deals a fuckton of damage
Which is the most lazy and uninspired way to implement a mechanic like this into a game with an action-based combat. You're willing to eat shit like that and excuse it - good for you I suppose.

>is how people would find out about those things happening to begin with
Gues what, if I wanted experience like that, I'd watch some CNN. Here I'm playing a Final Fantasy game and this "argument" you have is nothing more than excuse for devs not allocating proper time and resources to actually implementing these scenes properly.

So yeah, keep pretending like you're countering anything while you're just trying to apologize for every crappy element this game has while pretending it's completely okay because reasons.

>>384885243
>How about those which ask you to help the same fucking guy with different shirt and his fucking broken car over ten times
First of all those are completely different quest and what the fuck does that have to do with the Vyv quest? You have fetch quests in every fucking FF you turd.

>How can you talk about something like that in the game like it's something good with a straight face even?
How can you talk like it's bad when you gave no reason as to why it's bad?

>interesting stories there ranging from simple merchants that can't get their wares because of monsters so they fear of their family starving
Sounds exactly like the merchant who's truck full of his goods went off because of the monsters and he's worried too.

>It is and what you say is not an argument either, just an excuse.

No it is not an argument, the DLCs are in the game and any future ones are going to be in the game, this is not a fucking argument.

>You either haven't played Witcher 3 o
Yes I have, and either you havn't played XV or you are just talking out of yoru ass.

>The only invisible walls in W3 is at the maps boarders.
So like on XV too.

>Why do you describe me what exactly is Ascencion grid when it doesn't counter my argument
It does counter your argumnt.

>Directional inputs aren't modifiers
Yes they are, they are objectively modifiers changing the attacks, some give you self launches, some give you charges, some give you stinger, some give you AOE hit, some give you sidesteps or backsteps or flips after a sword hit with iframes on the flip.

> Even then the fact that you play absolutely the same from the start of the game to its end if retarded,
Sorry but you just ignored that you don't start the game with every weapon type, you only find more as you go on and they are countered towards modifying combat because you can switch weapons on the fly which retain within a set combo during midcombo switches too.

>>384885474
>Which is the most lazy and uninspired way to implement a mechanic like this into a game with an action-based comba
No it isn't, it's what is should be and is what it is, it does a fuckton and is useful when in a pinch. You're just spouting blanket statements without any fucking actual backing to what you're saying. You can't even explain shit.

>if I wanted experience like that, I'd watch some CNN
No one gives a fuck if you are triggered that XV actually rewards the player from taking the time to take in the world, listen to radios, to NPCs, to read newspapers and feel like an actual person within the world. Sorry that it's not a fucking coridoor with cutscenes every 5 steps force feeding shit down your throat because the devs were worried players couldn't' find shit out on their own.

Those scenes happen in the game through natural means which means them feel just as much of an extension of the story as any scene would, not everything needs to be dedicated to fucking cutscenes in coridoors you fucking retard.

And here you are again acting as if your way is the only right way and that your bullshit isn't allowed to be countered while still keeping this fucking air of false superiority even after your shit is countered, you have no highground so stop fucking acting like you are on one.

>>384867626
shit combat system that could have been very interesting technically but just takes away a lot of control for the sake of being casual friendly and ends up being not friendly towards anyone

>>384886026
The combat is great though and is even better once you actually learn how the system fully works.

>>384885682
>You have fetch quests in every fucking FF you turd.
There isn't a single case of crap like that in FF12. Even if it was, we're not talking about them, we're talking about 15, a 2016 AAA title, and it's embarassing to have crap like that in the game.
>when you gave no reason as to why it's bad?
Here's the reason: researching some lame frogs is not something you'd do when your kindom is getting wrecked and you have to save the world considering this research doesn't even help with anything. But hey, grounded in reality, huh?
>Sounds exactly like the merchant who's truck full of his goods went off because of the monsters and he's worried too.
What does it have to do with hunts?
>this is not a fucking argument.
It is, because those DLCs won't be owned by everyone who purchased the game, so their experience will be left out incomplete if they don't cash out more. Not to mention how torn out it is from the main campaign.
>Yes I have, and either you havn't played XV
Called it.
>So like on XV too.
Nah, seems like you haven't played XV, because there are invisible walls around every corner, not allowing you to jump over certain hedges, go around beaten paths, etc. Especailly bad is when you try to fly Regalia and you have invisible walls in the fucking air.
>It does counter your argumnt.
No, it's not because stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with what I described as an issue.
>you don't start the game with every weapon type
That would be an argument if you could allocate more than 4 weapons to your deck.

>>384867626
You won't get a good answer from /v/ they are biased as fuck and parrot opinions that hold no substance.
It's a fun open world game but lacked a long story and that colorful cast of characters FF usually has

But /v/ will literally hate the color of the cars wheels if someone else does so you can't expect a proper well thought out answer from almost anyone here.

>>384885896
>it's what is should be and is what it is
Yeah, good stuff gulping shit again.
>You can't even explain shit.
How Arimger could have interesting abilities, more combos utilizing all the royal arms you collected and be a part of your gameplay instead of being just an autopilot "save-me" button? sorry you lack common sense.

>And here you are again acting as if your way is the only right way
Ironic hearing from you.
If people actually felt rewarded by that story-telling "technique" you wouldn't have practically everyone but you telling that the story felt rushed, incomplete, happening off screen and overall a mess of a story.

And yeah, it would be great if the game actually had something to research about, but there's absolutely no indication of major plot points like "why did Ifrit waged war against the other Astrals", "how Ardyn and Ifrit forged alliance", "If Eos-Ifrit relationship theory is correct, why does she described as an Oracle in the murrals and never mentioned anywhere in the lore other than that dungeon" and so on and so forth.

And yet you still trying to find ways to excuse all this shit like a rabbid shill you are.

>>384874231
I'll agree with this desu but everything else is delusional, this game was shit and you know it

>>384886409
don't waste your time dude, he'll chase those shillbucks for as long as he has to

>>384867626
only things that bother me
>you cannot die
>game is easy as fuck
>lack of good story
still a solid FF entry , better than F13 easily.
It feels very classy FF like post FF6 never happen.

>>384870270
>post a VN gif
ok anon

>>384877790
How does one manage to raise a numbskull such as yourself? Drink bleach imbecile.

>>384886653
I actually won't
I'm just baffled how he can claim he's trying to "save" the game from shitposting when he's completely fine with it being in the shitty state it is and doesn't help it get better by being critical instead

>>384883750
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>>384887082
Why does SE have no respect for XV?

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>>384883750
>>384887020

They removed Etros from the. Eyes that see the light of expiring souls doesn't mean anything, Insomnia was supposed to worship the god of death and run their orginzation as a mafia family, instead its just a generic kingdom, there's dozens of changes that just seem like cut content, half the gameplay mechanics didn't make it in, no vechiles or piloted magitech armor, the story was ridiculously simplified, we'll never know what the original game was and it pisses me off.

>>384887082
Hard mode should have been the top priority but knowing SE they would just make the enemies damage sponges

XII is better. ;^)

>>384888497
Most previous FFs were.

>>384886690
>you cannot die

technically you can die. You just have to refuse to use a Phoenix Down on yourself when you get to 0 HP or forget to stock up on those.

Or try to use the mess known as the flying car. Which got me my ONLY GAME OVER OF THE ENTIRE GAME

>>384887184
I can't believe that shit is in AN OFFICIAL TRAILER

>>384876726
>for not knowing how shields, warpstrike, magic and combos work
Of those, only magic would positively contribute against tonberries, the rest would have you taking more damage or wasting resources for essentially nothing.

>>384886750
hilarious anon, +1!

too westernized

too much white people

>>384889208
Yeah. Tonberries is one of those enemies where the smart thing to do is only parry + counter and wait for a summon.

that one hunt where you fight like 3 of them at once sucked when I tried fighting normally.

>>384878576
>Aranea, Ravus, Ifrit, Ardyn, plus Gilgamesh and Cor fights are alll great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfR06KrKWDU

>>384884709
>you gain impervious giving you hit recoveries which also cancels knockback
It's Ukemi from Viewtiful Joe retard.

>you have blink which lets you cancel animations through dodge
That's completely useless.

>while your weapons themselves already have modifiers on them with directional inputs
Which are almost all trash.

>>384889448
>boss doesn't even realise it's already dead

>>384884915
>it's not supposed to be a "turn off and on" thing
Have you ever played another action game.

>it's a meter you expend from full charge to depletion which is the point of it
The point is to change things up. It does so horribly, by only giving you three total attacks and not actually acting as a modifier to what you already have equipped.

>>384889715
the weapons in XV had directional inputs?

The game did a poor explanation of that

>>384889448
that was a fun fight. Especially when she jumps into the air and you warp strike her and the fight goes all DBZ for a bit

>>384874891
Saying

>no it isnt

Over and over again doesn't prove your point you demented fucking chode sucker.

>>384889903
>It does so horribly, by only giving you three total attacks and not actually acting as a modifier to what you already have equipped.

that mode had three total attacks? I thought it just allowed you to wail on the enemy by holding down O (nothing changed there from the basic combat) while weapons phased out of nowhere to also attack them.

>>384890174
>that mode had three total attacks
Hold O, warpstrike and armiger chain.

>>384867626
Do you not read the threads op? People are pretty good about explaining why.

>>384890376
Warp strike gets affected?

It makes you stick to the enemy like glue so I never bothered trying to use Warp Strike during that mode

>>384890492
It turns into a really long shitty teleport attack.

Ardyn did nothing wrong.

>>384871784
>>384871931
>>384872020
>>384872143

>XV-kun already shitting up the thread

Theres this faggot to op. No one likes him.

what the hell is this thread

>>384873748
This is not true and you know it.

>>384890956
a thread where people are trying to discuss the flaws of FFXV but one guy is going "no u" at everyone

aka your average FFXV thread

>>384867626
People were naive enough/ in such strong denial to believe that sqenix could shit out a good ff after the shitfest that was ffxiii

>>384872558
>XV-kun THIS buttblasted KH3 looks good

>>384867626
because it deserves it

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>Puts most of the story in a shitty 2 hours movie and an anime

>>384887184
WTF is that ?

i keep seeing xv commercials on my phone, for some mobile app they're doing

kind of gives me vicarious embarassment.

>>384891307
>WTF is that ?

>>384891380
Final Fantasy XV: A New Empire.

aka one of those Game of War/Mobile Strike games but with a FFXV coat of paint

he's mentioned he actually does have criticisms of xv, but what are they?

like in this thread, he's defending Luna's lack of screentime, which I thought was pretty universally derided.

>>384867791
Doesn't this describe every post-IX Final Fantasy though?

>>384867728
>its a step backwards for the francise

What from XIII? Get the fuck out. XV is flawed, but it's a hell of a lot better than the previous single player FF they made.

>>384867626
>Why does FFXV get SO much hate?

Disappointment. Plain and simple. People had extremely high expectations for it, and it ended up being really average. It's kind of the same as why people act like MGSV is the worst game ever, it didn't meet the expectations.

>>384891505
Didn't they already released a XV mobile game that flopped ?

>>384891648
eh, XV was the first time the series completely broke with turn based mechanics.

It's a shit game, literally everything except the graphics are complete trash.

>>384891754
>Didn't they already released a XV mobile game that flopped ?

A New Empire is the first XV mobile game I am aware off.

I am aware of FF mobile games but those are crossovers (Record Keeper or Exvius) or good (Mobius). But no others connected to XV and only XV

When theyre gonna show the magitek suits?
Wanna take another laugh at how even the devs dont take their game seriously anymore

>>384892050
>When theyre gonna show the magitek suits?

if you mean the Sentai looking stuff. That got delayed because of Saban

>>384891928
Oh there i found it, it was a pinball type of game
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/12/27/justice-monsters-five-ending-service-march-27-2017/

>>384886104
>There isn't a single case of crap like that in FF12.
Yes there is, have you even played 12?

>we're not talking about them
So it's only bad when XV has fetch quests?

>2016
>literally CURRENT YEAR the post
Only thing embarrasing here is your bullshit logic.

>researching some lame frogs is not something you'd do when your kindom is getting wrecked
1: It's a sidequest, thus entirely optional, if you want to do that then it's on you, it still has significance no matter how small to the overarching narrative, it's to help regular people learn the mystery behind the longer nights, which is mentioned multiple times as a strange phenomenon that scientists are trying to uncover the meaning of, you collecting frog samples for one of the biology professors for frogs who only emerged because of the strange phenomenon is to help them. But hey that doesn't count because you don't know what the fuck you are crying about.

>What does it have to do with hunts?
Because it's a sidequest all the same regardless.

>It is
No it isn't, the DLC is now in the game and anything upcoming is going to be in the game too. Anyone who bought the season pass or the digital premium edition gets the DLC content as part of the package they bought.

>Called it.
Maybe you should display some knowledge someone who played the game would actually posses instead of talking out of your ass. But hey you're the one who is spouting "durr you probably didn't play ____" shit anyway so don't act like you have the higher ground

>Nah, seems like you haven't played XV
Called it.

>because there are invisible walls around every corner,
No they aren't,

> not allowing you to jump over certain hedges
>He doesn't know about the regalia upgrade

>go around beaten paths
First of all that isn't an invisible wall, that is a very clearly defined wall, and the regalia only turns you away from areas where there isn't anything beyond there so it can redirect you to a place where you'll be able to land.

>>384892289
oh, that thing that was a minigame in XV

>>384886104
>No, it's not because stuff you mentioned has nothing to do with what I described as an issue.
Except it does counter your argument because you were proven wrong on your very initial fucking statement, maybe if you had played the game you would actually know what the fuck you are talking about.

>That would be an argument if you could allocate more than 4 weapons to your deck.
It is an argument because the entire point is you create different loadouts with different weapons that you swap between to create a loadout of 4 weapons, by this logic you are just as much saying getting new equipment in a JRPG doesn't count because you only have a few slots despite having far more actual "equipment" than you do slots.

>Yeah, good stuff gulping shit again.
Good stuff not making an argument again.

>How Arimger could have interesting abilities
It does as it can deflect projectiles, hit enemies from afar without warp, and has a massive boost in attack speed and how much damage you output while it's active. You are supposed to use royal arms through regular combat which you do do, there is nothing "save me" about Armiger, it's a fucking super state that acts as a super state should you fucking idiot. Not only do you have no idea what you are talking about but you are literally just talking out of your ass.

>Ironic hearing from you.
Except you are the one with the dissenting opinion from what is set, you are the one who has to actually back up what you are saying yet you can't even fucking do that, all you do is bullshit and act like you are somehow right just because spout some bullshit criticism.

And people only say that the story telling felt rushed because it moves at a fast pace in the second half, which is when it starts focussing more on cutscenes and linear stuff compared to earlier in the game when it was open and you have the self discovery type of narrative set through regular dialog or NPCs/Radio/newspaper.

>>384886409
And there is literally cosmogony books which you inform you not only of hte world, but the Astrals and the savior, the chosen king, the crystal, not to mention the royal arms themselves which tells the tales of the former kings.

Seriously all you can do is talk out of your ass then spout bullshit shitposts like "durr shill". Get fucked.

>>384886416
The game was great and everyone knows it. Only people who haven't played it or Nomura/KH/FF13 fanboys try to pretend otherwise.

>>384892908
I can go to reddit and find some people who didn't like it.

>>384892908
>The game was great and everyone knows it
I got bad news for you, who do you think is everyone, only the people that agree with you or all the people ?

>>384887082
All of that stuff is going to be in the game, they aren't asking how to make that stuff, they are asking what fans want to see first out of those things which the devs themselves brought up as things they are gonna do for the game. There is literally nothing wrong with the devs doing this.


>>384887184
>this shitty liscened game that SE didn't even make means SE doesn't respect FFXV
By this logic Disney doesn't respect Star Wars or Avengers because of all the shitty cash grab phone games they have for those.

>>384892908
why ff13 lol

what's ff xvi going to be like for you

>>384892908
>The game was shit and everyone knows it. Only people who are XV fanboys trying to pretend otherwise.
See? I can strawman too faggot.

>>384893107
because one guy thinks XIII fans are the only ones shitting on XV trying to make their sub par game look good.

I beat both (Platinum for XV and 1000/1000 for XIII) and they were both sub par

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>>384888067
First of all the whole world worshipped Etro, including Tenebrae, this is no different than Etro worship in LR which was literally nothing even remotely dark. And Regis and the others in suits doesn't mean they ran the city like a mafia, that was just the original design they had, hell he even still wears that same original suit and had his old hairstyle in the flashback.

The 2006 trailer explicitly mentioned it was run by an ancient line of kings, the current game falls more in line with what that was saying because the royal family respects the tradition of the ancient line more closely now. The way Regis acts is also the same exactly way he was ever shown to act in any of the other trailers for Versus, he just had a different design.

All they did was swap out the Fabulanovacrystallis shit with the superior Cosmogony lore

>>384893349
>I beat both (Platinum for XV and 1000/1000 for XIII) and they were both sub par

Lol I doubt you've even play a Final Fantasy. Let's plays don't count.

>>384893484
>Lol I doubt you've even play a Final Fantasy

I have beaten every main numbered FF game that was not a MMO at least once

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I miss /vint/

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>>384889208
Shield of the just block/shield of the just warpstrike is extremely useful in mobs, because blocking counters a shit ton and stagger enemies leaving them open while they stagger, and the warpstrike has an AOE effect with large range.

>>384889448
>using equalizer buff at level 1
So it's not a valid level 1 run because equalizer nulls it even being level 1 to begin with, why are you posting this again SBK91? Are you fucking retarded?

>>384889715
It's a hit recovery, I don't give a fuck what it's called in other games you dipshit.

>That's completely useless.
>animation cancels are useless
No.

>Which are almost all trash.
Nope, all are useful and have their place SBK91, fuck off.

>>384893771
it's useful to farm AP at the start of the game with the Shield Royal Arm when you AoE everything in one strike

other than that, I never used a shield in XV

>>384892762
>and has a massive boost in attack speed
>it's an 'XV kun doesn't understand the difference between a moveset swap and speed buff episode'

>there is nothing "save me" about Armiger
You can't die while it's active.

>it's a fucking super state that acts as a super state should
Super states should augment your normal combat. Armiger is more like free damage that makes you heal up afterwards because it's unyieldy as fuck.

>>384889903
>Have you ever played another action game.
Have you SBK91?

>The point is to change things up
Yeah and you do that by changing your weapon loadout for regular combat you dipshit. Jesus fucking christ you are retarded.

>>384893053
>All of that stuff is going to be in the game
SOME of that stuff is MAYBE going to be in the game

>>384890092
Maybe if you read the actual posts you would see why he is wrong, because I explain the reasoning right after saying that you blind fuck.

>>384893053
>By this logic Disney doesn't respect Star Wars or Avengers

wait, do you actually think disney DOES respect them?

>>384893771
>Shield of the just block/shield of the just warpstrike is extremely useful in mobs
Opinion aside, what does that have to do with tonberries.

>>384890956
A thread where people cry when their shitpost nitpicks get called out.

>>384890989
It is.

Never change guys.

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>>384891138
XV doesn't look better than XV at all. And the very fucking thing you faggots try to shit on XV about, KH3 is even more guilty of.

>>384894121
Only his examples count

Japan apparently LOVE it so.

Theres that.

>>384867626
To pur it vaugely, every step forward this game takes, its 2 additional steps back. The advancements dont outshine its flaws.

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>>384894217
>already uses KH3 to shitpost

>>384893015
Someone not liking it and someone saying it's shit are not the same thing you fuck.

>>384893107
FF13 fags are also KH fags, they were the ones who were attached to the Fabulu Nova Crystallis stuff that FF Versus was using which is why they were interested in Versus, and when XV removed it and replaced it with superior lore they made it their mission to try and shit on XV, that in addition to them being pissed Nomura was taken off the game and that it wasn't the KH reskin they thought it was gonna be.

>>384893947
>So it's not a valid level 1 run because equalizer nulls it even being level 1 to begin with
>using food exactly as it was intended isn't fair
Do you even know how Equalizer works?

>le SBK91 boogeyman
Who?

>It's a hit recovery
It's a bad rip from Viewtiful Joe.

>animation cancels are useless
>pointlessly canceling an animation for no reason is useless
Correct.

>Nope, all are useful
Name a directional input that is useful other than the back input of the Scepter, forward inputs of the Trident and Sword of the Father, and directional inputs of the Bow.

>have their place
Name a single situation it would be tactically advantageous to use the spear's charge.

>>384894217
literally one second after that webm, you see hitstun in >>384894347

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>>384894217
>XV doesn't look better than XV at all.

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>only allowed to like everything about hte game
>only allowed to hate everything about the game
>not allowed to like or hate any other games
Man these threads are something

>>384894004
>Have you
Yes. Would you like me to list some that let you cancel their super states whenever?

>Yeah and you do that by changing your weapon loadout for regular combat
Which isn't a super state. So you admit Armiger is shit?

>>384894217
Kek, did you also make a comparison of toy Sora and Noctis as i said when the trailer dropped?

>>384894450
>Who?

SBK91 is a guy on gamefaqs who said bad things about XV.

>>384894217
>literally took a half second moment in a 6 minute trailer and tried to say there was no hit stun
>>384894347
>literally right after, it's on full display
I expect damage control and for xv-kun to post more webms