Why are the classic Fallout games so fucking great?

>>384862473
They're from an era where people tried hard to make good video games

>>384862473
They're not, they're fucking shit

4 > 3 >>> NV > 2 > 1

>>384862473
I know, classic Fallout is fucking incredible.

What's your favorite classic Fallout game, OP? Mine is New Vegas.

because some games were made with passion back then

>>384862473
passionate about developing their games and publishers had less control over development.

>>384862473
>Lots of content
>Fun story
>Good characters
>Real challenge

>>384862473
>hurrrrr pop culture references
Fallout 2 is shit.

>>384862473
Because you are a man child who thinks older = better. I bet you were still in diapers when Fallout 1 came out.

>>384862720
Oh no. I'm not taking THAT bait

>>384862854
calm down edgelord
fuck rpg codex

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>>384862720

>>384862870
>>384862854
This is as far as you go, mutie [attack]

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>>384862473
What the fuck were they thinking when making Fallout 4.
>"Hey Todd, instead of having actual story and replayability lets just put in lame acting and mediocre combat"
The only reason it sold was because of its name.

>>384862854

I always see this meme parroted on 4chan but I will never understand how it caught on.

I haven't noticed many pop-culture references and the ones in their aren't blatantly obvious.


>>384862870
t. stupid child

>>384862870
And I bet you haven't even played the older Fallouts.

>>384863225
What really got me was the fact that a good chunk of the quests and sidequests felt like Blade Runner ripoffs. Oh and there was a Lovecraft thing in there too I think

>>384863294
>I haven't noticed many pop-culture references and the ones in their aren't blatantly obvious.
That's because you're obviously too young to recognize them.
>HURR THE BOXER'S NAME IS MIKE AND HE BITES YOUR EAR OFF, GET IT?

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>>384862652
>>384862783
>>384862792
This.

>>384863225
I was disappointed as well.

>>384862720
Go to bed, Todd.

>>384863436

I'm 30, faggot.
Also don't see how that reference is an egregious offense that is a reason to be so upset about it.
I remember kids talking about the fight in gym class as a kid.
It's literally just a "heh" moment.

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>>384862473
they are just alright tho

>>384863436
>i entered a boxing ring set in a post apocalyptic game in reno city and then something silly happened
imagine being this triggered over a line of text

>>384863436
they are jokes m8. Stop being so assblasted by them.

>>384862854
This is probably the most retarded thing to get pissed about in a good video game desu.

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Real talk, I love the shit out of both of these. I was raised on a lot of isometric games but I was sentient and self aware of the entertainment value of video games just as they started being less and less popular, when 3D began taking the market by storm. Being someone who grew up playing isometric games, playing FO1 and FO2 in this day and age was very very easy.

I wouldn't say I think the new ones are better or worse than the originals, because the originals were made in a very different era with a very different goal in mind. I think the new ones are good games in their own right, and to be honest, they are stand-out games, but there's a certain charm that the old ones have that makes me have more appreciation for them. I occasionally go back and replay both of them, doing new things. Can't say the same for FO3, NV, or FO4.

>>384863616
>30
>Still on 4chan
Go get a wife or something, grandpa

>>384862870
Do you honestly think games in general are getting better? Sure they get flashier, bigger, and louder, that comes with the price of having to cater to the lowest common denominator. FPS games didn't experience any major innovations since Half-Life 2, RPG games because stupider than ever, RTS as a genre simply died, and from its rotting corpse rose MOBAs. Arguably, the only genre to experience a strong change is third person action, but it's a chance towards cinematic experience and slow shoulder shooters. When it comes to indie games, instead of coming up with interesting ideas, indie devs are more interesting with shitting the marker with open world survivals with crafting, minecraft knockoffs, roguelites, and walking sims with pretentious plots.
So yes, older == better.

>>384863910
>playing FO1 and FO2 in this day and age was very very easy.
Agree completely. Those games were kind of a litmus test for newcomers. Coming from SSI gold box games, Wizardry, M&M, Betrayal at Krondor, etc. Fallout games were a walk in the park. Highly enjoyable and well made but quite easy. I would always recommend them to friends or acquaintances who expressed interest in PC RPGs - if they couldn't handle Fallout then the genre probably wasn't for them.

>>384862720
you have it completely backwards

>>384863910
It is a violation of precedence for a well thought out post on /v/ to get any replies.

Fallout 4 would've been an alright game if it was non-canon

>>384864363
3rd person action is by far the worst genre. QTE, cinematic, shitty story-driven games, Press-X-to-Awesome. It's a shame that so much of the focus has gone to those types of games when other genres have untapped potential.

>Main Story
1 > NV > 2 >>> 3 > 4

>Sidequests
2 > NV > 1 >>> 3 > 4

>Combat
2 > 1 > 4 > NV > 3

>>384862473
They're not
Spending 5 minutes each time you kill a rat is not fun

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>>384863816
>defending pop culture references in vidya
Anthony Burch, go home. Don't make summer /v/ any worse than it already is.

>>384864638

>he has combat speed at slow
MO-RON

>>384862473
Because you have patience.

>>384864638
So, don't kill rats. Alternatively, actually build a character capable of killing rats?

>>384864638
all crpgs start slow as fuck
but most of them have payoffs when you get to finally cast your spells

fallout doesn't have any of that

>>384864736
>fallout doesn't have any of that

Just admit you have no idea how to build a character

>>384862854
Unironically agree with this. 2 had way too many pointless references

NV>1>2>3>4

>>384864618
or if it made any sense

>>384862473
To me they're too slow and the combat too shit for me to be able to play them.

I do however lover Fallout Tactics.

>>384864669
>Summer
Go back to plebbit you double nigger

>>384864847
not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls

>>384864846
>>384864669
>OH NO, A GAME JUST HAD A PASSING REFERENCE TO A THING
>GODDAMN AINT THAT A KIND OF THING IM SUPPOSED TO HATE BECAUSE SOMETHING SOMETHING REDDIT??!
>ARRRGGGHHH

>>384862473
>played Fallout 3/Fallout New Vegas
>disliked them due to it being clunky
Considering on getting the first two. Is it worth it?

Note that I never played a RPG game other than Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario.

>>384862473

Because the main character runs like this down the screen:

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>>384864919
kys pete

>>384865024
Fallout 1&2 are even more clunky.

>>384865024
If 3 and NV are too clunky for you then 1 and 2 will be even worse

>>384865024
lel, if you disliked 3 and NV for being clucky, stay away from all CRPGs

>>384864669
nah you're just using a meme argument
its just something the plebs parrot

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>>384865110
What I mean is that the Gamebyro engine really pushed me away from the 3D games. Same thing with Skyrim even though the game runs on a different engine.

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>>384864931
t. reddit

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Fallout Tactics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fallout 1 > Fallout 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Vegas > Fallout 4 > Fallout 3

any other order basically proves you're a fucking retard

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>>384865287
> even though the game runs on a different engine

>>384862473
They put effort into making a good post-apocalypse game that captures the spirit of stories like A Boy And His Dog, or Mad Max, while actually going further and telling it's own, great narrative with thematic cohesion throughout the main story.

Bethesda relies on what they like, and put it in the game without considering any of the background for it. Like Blade Runner, or the first two Fallout games. Compare how Blade Runner and Fallout 4 handled the possibility of the MC being a replicant/synth.The result is a very fanfictiony game that misses what made the first two games good; akin to how you have fanboys go into comics to write their favorite superheroes, and when they do surprise, it's pretty shit because they don't have any unique cultural knowledge or experience to enrich their stories. It's why Steve Ditko's objectivist leanings make for a far more interesting story than some dumbass who watches Doctor Who all the time trying to cram what he thought was cool into a comic.

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>>384864846
>find some fuck in a cave
>game literally says I've found another obscure pop culture reference

>>384865385
whats so good about tactics?

>>384865657
Le epic brotherhood of steel gay fantasies xD

>>384865657
You play as a non-retarded Brotherhood of Steel off-shoot.
The combat is vastly improved from Fallout 1&2, you can even play it in real time.
You manage an entire party of characters (which can include all manner of creatures like ghouls, super mutants, etc.)

tl;dr it's not as clunky as the first two games.

>>384862792
Yes to your first 3 points and I agree the gamebryo fallouts lacked challenge, but getting bursted 100-0 with essentially no counter play isn't real challenge, it just feels kind of cheap.

>>384865657
Imagine real time XCOM with way more interesting mechanics. It's one of the best games ever made.

>>384864363
Halo added regenerating health, for all it's worth.

>>384866263
Halo 1 had a good regenerating health system

>>384862473
They are pretty hardcore games that don't really hold your hand. The isometric (I think right?) view also helps the games out. I don't think the gameplay is great though. It could be better. They are games that are good despite their gameplay. Much like Morrowind imo.

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YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS TO TELL ME YOUR FAVORITE FALLOUT GAME SOLDIER!

>>384864629
Why the fuck is Fallout 1 high on any of your rankings? It is by far the worst game in the series.

>main story
The only parts of the main story with any depth are the Overseer and the Master. Everything else was just a few lines of straightforward dialogue. Fallout 3 feels like a varied and interesting game in comparison.

>sidequests
Fallout 1 had awful sidequests. Most were just basic fetch quests or base clearing. Reminder that Fallout 1 is the game where you say one line to a guy, accept his quest, get teleported to a base, kill everyone, get teleported back and get one line of "good job". Fallout Tactics had better sidequests and it wasn't even trying.

>combat
Get a gun, aim for the eye, deal one bazillion damage. There is no thought involved in combat, you just repeat the same actions countless times and the enemy variety is very unimpressive. The only reason the combat is any fun is because of the over-the-top death animations; if it wasn't for that it would have been unplayable.

>>384866424
I still like the gameplay more than the 3D Fallouts. Large battles are just clusterfucks in the 3D games.

>>384864629
This

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>>384864363
>Do you honestly think games in general are getting better?

Of course they are.
Not all of the game design decisions are for the better, but this wasn't true in the 00s, 90s or 80s either.

You're delusional if you think that older games are factually better and newer games aren't better overall.

>>384866613
>The only parts of the main story with any depth are the Overseer and the Master. Everything else was just a few lines of straightforward dialogue. Fallout 3 feels like a varied and interesting game in comparison.
Maybe I should have specified setting. Fallout 1 is the only Fallout that really feels like the post-apocalypse to me. Fallout 2 and New Vegas just feel like the wild west, and 3 and 4 just feel like theme parks because they're so unbelievable. In 1 you really get the feeling that humanity's fighting to survive, and the super mutants actually feel like a threat to humanity rather than just another enemy to kill.

>Fallout 1 had awful sidequests. Most were just basic fetch quests or base clearing. Reminder that Fallout 1 is the game where you say one line to a guy, accept his quest, get teleported to a base, kill everyone, get teleported back and get one line of "good job". Fallout Tactics had better sidequests and it wasn't even trying.
I agree that Fallout 1's sidequests are weak, which is why I ranked them lower than 2 and NV, but sidequests like the Glow and killing Gizmo are much more memorable to me than anything in 3 and 4. The outcome of sidequests in 3 and 4 are also not mentioned at all in the endings.

>Get a gun, aim for the eye, deal one bazillion damage. There is no thought involved in combat, you just repeat the same actions countless times and the enemy variety is very unimpressive. The only reason the combat is any fun is because of the over-the-top death animations; if it wasn't for that it would have been unplayable.
You could describe the rest of the series the same way, besides enemy variety.

>>384864629
>>Combat
>2 > 1 > 4 > NV > 3
>2
>miss miss miss miss hit for 0 damage miss miss miss

Otherwise I agree

>>384862473
Before the age of pandering and mainstream.

/vr/

>>384866698

>You're delusional if you think that older games are factually better and newer games aren't better overall.

It's definitely not true in the case of Fallout.

>>384866613
no my friend Brothrthood Of Steel is the worst in the series

>>384868857
It's so bad no one ever thinks of it

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>>384867651
>Before the age of pandering

>>384862473
Playing with 1 int gives you brainlet dialogue

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>>384862473
Shit gameplay, shit turn based combat, graphically a sore to the eyes, first game has a time limit, second game is nothing but pop culture references...
The games are aged and shit. Face it.

>>384869237
easier when there's not much voice acting

>>384862473
bought those for the steam sale and havent touched them. should i go for it?

>>384862473
There's something comfy about CRPGs. What is it?

>>384870701
Yes

>>384870759
pixel art

>>384865032
Underrated

It'd be cool to have a modern Fallout with a Fallout 1/2/Tactics-styled world map, but when you enter a town or encounter it switches to FPS.

>>384870759
Music

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I finished Fallout 1 earlier this week, it was my first playthrough. I had tried it before years ago, but now I was really playing it. It was good, kinda barebones, but it was good. I started Fallout 2 yesterday and so far I'm enjoying it. It has definitely improved some things such as you now see your money in small money counter screen when talking, your inventory shows your item weight and your carry limit.

Fallout 2 also seems to be much harder than Fallout 1. It could be my character build, but I really did feel like the combat in FO1 was too easy even though I played on normal. I also could pick almost any lock in FO1 with my average thief character.
Fallout 2 is also taking the roleplay few steps further, the choices are not so obvious anymore because there is just so much going on, so much dialogue, and more characters in the first few hours than in Fallout 1 first few hours.

My character, Robert Core (as in, R.Core -> Hardcore... eh?) the master thief and scam artist. My Fallout 2 is named Roger Core, because he's a descendant of the original Core.

>>384871778
Is he gay?

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>>384865328
Why is the magazine at the front of the barrel?

>>384871843
No, but he likes to grope butts in chance of bottle caps.

>>384872029
Bethesda

>>384872068
Hot

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>>384865024
I, too, disliked FO3 and NV for their clunkyness. Of course FO1&2 are clunky as well, but they're different kind of clunky. When playing in first person I naturally expect the controls to be tight like in any goof fps game, but in FO3 they're very wobbly and clunky. Also, the character animations suck.
And on top of that, FO3 seems to completely forget what the Fallout games are about. It's too much of a modern toxic green vision of post-apocalypse, and not like the gritty Mad Max post-apocalypse the classics.

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Have you guys gotten a copy of Fallout 4 yet?

No clue how people can call a game incredible when the combat is pathetic turn based trash and most of the game is reading, maybe it's just me but a good atmosphere and story and whatever artificial pros the game has, it can never have good gameplay if the core gameplay mechanics are horrid.

>>384869041
this was almost ten years before modern Doctor Who began and way before it was popular in the US.

>>384862473

Make sure you guys play Fallout 1.5: Resurrection.

Amazing super-lore friendly mod that blends FO1 and 2.

Also, Fallout: Nevada in translation soon!

>>384873709
Can't wait for Nevada to be translated

>>384864363

Most games have always been shit. New games of a genre APPEAR better because there is nothing to compare and contrast them with. With this in mind I try to look for the really good games.

With regards to FPS. I think Borderlands 1 was a huge innovation and a really good game in both the FPS and RPG genre.