Darkest Dungeon Thread

>>384799672
Pain

Boredom

>>384799672
An ok game that is way overrated

>>384799672
Rage, pain and Despair

>>384799672
" this game is too hard huuuuuuur"

A game thats incredible and has the best preservation for the first 25 hours, they you realize how bad the grind is

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>>384799672
some chances to use risk analysis, there's a reason why the phrase 'overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer' is such a meme with the fanbase. also the Plague Doc is the second best support behind the Occultist

What should i build first?

By the replies seem par for the course of what expect

How's the Lovecraftian angle of it? I'm a sucker for Eldrich horrors from beyond

>0h+ im not sure what im doing
>2h+ oh im having fun learning these mechanics
>10h+ still fun exploring new stuff
>20h+ THIS GAME IS SO BORING GRIND AND 90% OF THE GAME PLAYS BY ITSELF MAN I FUCKING HATE THIS WALKING AND WATCHING THESE ANIMATIONS TOO

>>384800473
The narration is godlike. I'm not sure how it compares to other lovecraftian works but its fairly deep in it

>>384799906
Laffed

An ok game that could be a lot better. >>384800559 is spot on.

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>>384800198
>blood-splatters on everywhere except the exposed part of her leg
>And her leg is cleaner than Mr.Clean

Seeing all the complaints in this thread begs the question, how would you improve this game?

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>>384799672

Game would have been infinitely better if it was isometric and involved actual strategy and tactics.

>>384800473
When you get to the darkest dungeon missions youre in for a treat, mate.

>>384800879
She just got thrown out of the Brothel for her Deviant Taste.

>>384801310
Nah.

Reminder that Lepers are the worst class in the game and that you shouldn't use them except to purposefully challenge yourself.

>>384801653

Brainlet.

Enjoy your mindnumbing RNG.

>>384801676
I like them. I like the Hew ability. It is good for killing a weakened front line while also damaging the other front line.

>>384799672


A casual mobile grinder game that tries to disguise itself as some hardcore roguelike

>>384801676
Lepers are ok for beginner dungeons where he can 1 hit kill most things, unless you have Hellions, in which case don't bother, ever.

>>384801784
>Muh RNG
>Muh RNG

honestly, if you can't go through 95% of encounters with ease, it's not RNG, you're just retarded. The game is about playing the numbers and knowing how to stack the odds in your favor.

>>384801310
>>384801784
>muh isometric cRPG
>muh min/maxing
>muh powergaming
What a casual.

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>>384799672
Pick a god and pray your current party doesnt get thrown to the grinder

>>384802224

And?

It's s till a low skill, shallow, repetitive RNG shitfest.

>>384799906
i love this

>>384802701
>repetitive
That's the only thing you said that's correct.

>resources you buy before the mission don't carry over onto the next one
>if you wind up discarding an item by accident, you are unable to pick it up in the dungeon

Wew lads, glad I pirated this, dropped harder than a hot potato

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>>384803050
That's nice.

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>>384799672
RNG bullshit. Sure you can prepare for a dungeon, but that won't stop enemies from landing criticals, or skipping your turns sometimes one, two, or even three times.

>>384802224
>honestly, if you can't go through 95% of encounters with ease, it's not RNG, you're just retarded.

That;s the main problem with the game, it's easy once you figure out which comps don't suck but those 5% of runs that go bad will always be because the RNG decided to fuck you this week instead of some tactical failure

(because the game doesn't require any tactics once you press embark)

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>>384803310
>get crit
>FUCKING RNG THIS NEVER HAPPENS IN OTHER GAMES WITH STATS
>Masochistic guy refuses healing for obvious reason
>REEEEEEEEEEEE

It is a fun game with really good atmosphere.
It has its flaws but you'll enjoy it, I find myself coming back to it every other month.

>all these faggots whining about RNG
Stop being little bitches

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>>384803568
Hi, anon. How are you doing today? Would you like to hang out maybe?

>>384803283
Audrey a best.

>>384803567
>It is a fun game with really good atmosphere.

No, it's a meme overhyped by normies and trash like you, due to le ebin dark horror and muh narrator shit

The very fact that this game gets any appreciation whatsoever shows how fall has both the developer and consumer base fallen.

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>>384803726
Naturally.

>>384803717
Y-You too

>>384799672
a fun game that requires loads of grinding to finish
the late game stuff requires a team of elite fighters and if any of them die then you need replacements, which takes a lot of time to train

>>384801310
they actually considered a top-down rpg when they were concepting, but they discarded it because they felt it diminished the sense of dread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IUaGQhlPwo

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>>384803769
Well shit, all this time i thought i was having fun, instead i was just memeing.

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>/v/ hates DD b/c of RNG
>/v/ likes XCOM

Darkest (Space) Station when?

>>384804091
>but they discarded it because they felt it diminished the sense of dread

TN: "diminished the sense of dread" means "would take effort"

>>384804174

NuXCom sufferes a lot of the same problems as DD but it has at least some amount of depth an variety

>>384804091
>HEALER!!!!
>COME ON HEALER!!!

>>384799672
Well

The Good
>God tier art direction, narration, and music. Everything fits perfectly and nothing is out of place.
>Some decent horror elements
>Fun characters to build a party with.
>A lot of gameplay.

The Bad
>The story's ending is literally saying "YOU DIDNT WIN, YOU DIDNT WIN". You'll either love it or hate it.
>The learning curve is harsh. The game will feel like absolute random bullshit just trying to fuck you repeatedly. Sometimes you'll feel like everything is there just to kill you rather than provide a challenge. Just like any other tactical rpg, its about stacking all the numbers in your favor- so looking up a guide might make the experience feel better. I know I was frustrated when an enemy party one round my highwayman from full earth to dead in two shots, without me getting a chance to heal it. It felt like the game shitting on me because it could.
>The game is repetitive. I played 15 hours and by the end of that I felt like I had seen everything the game had on offer. The dungeon crawling never gains new mechanics and the characters dont have high levels because they are relatively expendable. The bosses are kinda shit, because usually the best tactic is to ignore their mechanic and burn them down with an assload of dps.
>The game is extremely grindy. Its about repeating dungeon crawls. If that isnt your favorite aspect of the game, you will get bored of it pretty quick.

>>384799672
Prepare to be using the wiki a lot.

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>>384799672
If you got the DLC, the Flagellant is cheating. Literally everything about him is overpowered.

>>384804238
Are you retarded?

>>384804934
>cheating
>in singleplayer

>>384799672
A slow and insidious death.

>>384803568
Hello anon.

How's your day been? Good I hope.

>>384804934
hes so fucking good
I love having a tank/healer/dps all in one

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>>384804934
Another western game where the DLC breaks more things than it makes.

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>>384803726
Your waifu a shit
SHIT

>>384806965
At least it's new content and not hot springs bullshit.

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>>384807852
>implying my waifu doesn't kill this fucker before he even gets to spout his horseshit

>>384807970
A SHIT

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>>384808108
Fug.

How are people finding the Horror ailment? I sort of find the addition pointless and easier to deal with.

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>>384799672
Getting fucked until you either quit and start whining about RNG or Git Gud.

Its great but can be very frustrtating at times.
Enemys crit your party so hard they all die from heartattacks. Getting stunlocked and shuffled all over again. Meeting your first Shambler.

If you want a challenging game that won´t hold your hand or go easy on you then this is it.

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>>384799672
RINGING EARS

BLURRED VISION

>>384799672
does this game has a story? a lore?

Acutally I just don´t like the walk right of this game, because it looks like an web game.

>>384808276
I like it. It adds more options and variety amongst the stress dealers in the game. It adds additional inventory management with the Laudanum item. It also makes Stress, which is without a doubt the most dangerous thing in the game, not quite as punishing in certain cases by dealing that damage over time instead of upfront every single time. On the flip side Horror can be stronger than a direst stress attack because you're expected to counter it with Laudanum,

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Nice trinkets you got there.
What's that? You have no characters that can reposte?

>>384808382
Getting fucked over by RNG I can get over in a day or two, but after a few runs fucked it is much too tedious to get back into it.

>>384808671
if only laudanum had some uses besides curing horror

you never want to bring it because it so often gets tossed first

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>>384808750
>Riposte
What a waste, the bird would just dodge those counterattacks anyway. Just turtle for 4 turns until he fucks off.

>>384808841
>toss my laudanum
>suddenly ghouls everywhere
Every time.

>>384801676
Lepers have the highest base damage in the game. Has a corpseclear/knock back. Thing is 90% of the time you will be spamming hew.

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>low on gold better go on a farming run
>pick a low level, nothing should go wrong it'll be easy money
>depart

>>384800473
It gets good.

>>384801830
>>384808971
>Highest base damage in the game
>can't aim at any important targets with it

the way the game works, you want to insta-kill 3/4 then delay on 1/2 with stuns and recovery, leper can't kill 3/4 and can't stun 1/2, leper is just total garbo, doesn't have a single niche that isn't better filled by another class

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>fighting the siren
>she charms my crusader
>he just spams inspiring cry
nice try bitch lmoa

>>384809126
Half the game is microhell as you desperately try not to over level your stars while you farm up.

>>384801310
>mfw I wanted to try blackguards and then I completely forgot it existed. Is it any good?

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>Oh man I want to play some Darkest Dungeon
>Town Infestation: High
>Half my heroes are infected with the Crimson Curse

Maybe some other time

>>384808950
oh yeah not to mention everything that inflicts horror inflicts it to all 4 party members, so there's never really a case where it's absolutely necessary like the uca crusher

any modders here? how hard would it be to mod in some laudanum curio interactions?

>>384809378
Leper/PD. Stunning gas the 3/4, tear and share the 1/2. You could even run a grab to split the 1/2 front with a 3/4. Come on anon, think with your head. Leper has way higher base damage than anyone else and is durable with only 10 base acc loss.

>>384809545
Laudanum has none? Should really patch that, along with a leper buff. Pretty funny that they patch anything remotely effective asap but stuff like this is apparently not important.

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>>384809126
at least I didn't have to wait too long

>>384809538
Crimson Curse can actually be beneficial, the buff that bloodlust characters get is really good

>>384809805
wow! and the 4 turns it takes you to clear 1/2 through the 60% protection, and corpses, you're getting shit on by the actual threatening enemies. You should try stepping outside of the level 1 dungeons if you think leper is good.

>>384809378
>doesn't have a single niche that isn't better filled by another class
What about massive base damage? He's godlike against the stone guardian.

I do sort of blame the game for having rank 1 and 2 enemies massive pushovers 90% of the time, with ranks 3 and 4 being way more important.

Also fuck you.

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>>384800198
This.

PD - OCC - HM/BH/ABO - HELLION is literally best party

ARB - OCC - HM - BH for dat max damage and dem crits

>>384809979
Prepare to be purged filth

>>384809378
>delay on 1/2 with stuns and recovery,
Coward.

>>384804174
>/v/ is one person

>>384810092
>What about massive base damage?
That's a stat. Not a niche. He won't be fulfilling a role better than another.

I'd still rather have a helion for garden guardian and camp buff the shit out of her

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>>384809378
I really like the Leper but this nigger is right

>the way the game works, you want to insta-kill 3/4 then delay on 1/2 with stuns and recovery, leper can't kill 3/4 and can't stun 1/2, leper is just total garbo, doesn't have a single niche that isn't better filled by another class

That's how it works for 90% of the game

>>384808603
OOOOOOOH BOY GET READY FOR A BAD TIDE!!!

Many years ago your Ancestor was a hard partying, hard drinking socialite. He hosted some of the most insane and crazy parties that drew the rich and famous for miles around. At first, everything was great. Then things became dull and uninteresting...

So they decided to liven things up a bit, and brought in new... entertainment. Of what specifics I don't know, but the cages and the skeletons do not paint a happy picture. Continuing the descent into unbridled debauchery the parties got strange. Open orgies, violence, and worse were exalted in, with the finest of foods and wines exported from around the globe in such heaps that it rotted faster than it could be eaten (which didn't stop some people from eating the literal compost heaps anyway). Until one day, a strange, and unsettling woman came to court...

Turns out she was a vampire, and after a scuffle your ancestor defeated her, and came to a great idea. If she was gonna drink my blood, why not bleed her like a stuck pig, and then WE can drink her blood instead?

I'll give you a moment to imagine how bad that turns out.

So your ancestor sealed away the flesh eating abominations he had just created inside the courtyard. The he turned to other things. He began to delve into forbidden and ancient magics, but soon found he could only go so far with self study. So he hired long secret masters of the necrotic arts to his estate, and spent many a night learning from them.

Then, once he had learned all he could, he murdered them as they slept.

(1/?)

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>>384810159
you can't stem the tide of heresy.

>>384810440
>He won't be fulfilling a role better than another.
What about the role of a damage dealer? He fills that role better than another by doing more damage.

>I'd still rather have a helion for garden guardian
Why? She does less damage and her self buff when the shield is down is weaker than the leper's revenge.

>>384810783
dog biscuit op

>>384810783
He will return
Any tips for beating him? only fought him once and he destroyed me

How the fuck are the heroes are from different time periods? I mean i don't think this is ever addressed.

>>384810501
In a display of power and arrogance he then used his new learned power to reanimate his teaches with much of their minds and power intact (which is quite impressive if you think about it). He soon became bored with even this, and abandoned them in the ruined churches and mausoleums,where they still cast foul spells. The dead reanimating the dead, down throughout the years, for all eternity. In the mean time, the Ancestor turned to horticulture and alchemy; the brewing of magic potions.

He went well for a time, until a beautiful and intelligent woman came to his door and offere a partnership. At first, your Ancestor wasted to tap that, but when he saw how talented and skilled she was, he soon became more interested in mutual cooperation than sexy times. So they planted, harvested, and brew many potions.

Unfortunately, the beautiful woman was prone to self experimentation, which soon transformed her into a hulking inhuman hag. Disgusted by her bloated and vicious appearance, the Ancestor threw her out into the forests where she has not only continued to practice her arts, but has developed a powerful and far reaching coven of witches under her command.

After exploring alchemy to it's fullest, the Ancestor grew bored again, and turned his attention to the ancient books of binding and summoning he had seen in the hidden corners of his library...

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Can somebody redpill me on Man at Arms?
In what party comp do i run him?
What skills am I doing most of the time?#

What Trinkets do I use?

I didnt found a way to play him without someone being better than him.

>>384810904
he isn't dealing damage to the important targets 99% of the time, ie, row 3 and 4, there's still a dungeon before the boss fight

and hellion doesn't do less damage, because she's got a 20% damage camp buff, as well as being better in the whole rest of the dungeon instead of ONLY the boss fight

>>384811236
The manor sits at the very epicentre of cosmic unrest.
It sits outside time as we know it.

>>384799672
Frustration

I've played over 200 hours and I'm not even sure why. This game actually ruins my day sometimes.

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>>384811273
Go on.
I'm reading

>>384811323
Defender and retribution are a must. I generally run him with that plus crush and bellow when in the first/second ranks, and swap in rampart and/or the buffs if the situation calls for it (a long fight where you need to be able to sustain your group for long, or where you need to shuffle enemy ranks)

He can also work on rank 4 as a buffer/defender and has a specific trinket to make him even more effective from there

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>>384810909
it kinda is. also first time I've seen this item even though I've fought him twice
>>384810968
have people that can attack at least rank 2 and 3 no matter their position, blight and bleed can work to your advantage if you can actually inflict him with it (people that can lower resistances are extremely helpful), avoid marking, and I like to go for the pyre, but you can also focus him down.
basically he's like the hag with a bit more going for him.
also stun resist can be really helpful.

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>>384799672
How the fuck do I do 'We are the Flame'.

Last attempt all characters got afflicted, leaper died of a heart attack so I retreated and my vestal died on quitting the mission.

I read jesters are a must but I've no idra how to do a shuffle party or good jester movesets

>>384799672
A game thats fun at first but quickly devolves into mindless grinding.

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>>384811694
>leaper died of a heart attack so I retreated and my vestal died on quitting the mission.
I know this all too well

post your graveyards.

>>384811273
Of course, just grabbing a bunch of people to experiment on was kinda stupid. He couldn't really do it as there weren't that many people in his hamlet, and he just couldn't do without the infrastructure and support granted by their taxes, farming, and so on. So he turned to other test subjects in his rituals, and found that pigs made for an excellent substitute. He soon drew pentagrammic wards and summoning circles, and brought forth nameless things from beyond.

Not only using pigs in blood sacrifice, he also bound the unholy spirits to pigs to keep them in the world, experimenting and diddling with formulae and chanting to see what he could do.

Which turned out not to be much, as your Ancestor didn't have any talent for the rituals at all. The best of his achievements was the summoning of a terrible spirit that caused a boar to grow to monstrous size, easily towering over even small buildings. Unfortunately, it was dumb as muck, and ate nearly twice it's weight every day. Faced with dangerous and possesed pork that was not only difficult to destroy but difficult to contain, the Ancestor decided to call it quits, and try to find a way to deal with his wasted and disgusting experiments. When he discovered a series of tunnels beneath his estate he found a solution.

He dumped the lot into the tunnels, twisting body on twisting body, and even as the pig flesh began to melt and run together he sealed up the tunnels and called it a day. Unfortunately murmurings were growing, as new tales about his unspeakable crimes were spreading at the hands of some gibbering prophet...

>>384811694
First step is to not bring a leper.
Second is to bring a jester, stick him in row 3/4 and just stress heal for days
In fights with the healing zombie guys, you can leave them alive and literally stress heal to 0.
Last fight is just a beefy shambler that shuffles your ass. Crusader is good with holy lance (and can be your stress healer instead of jester if you wanted to do that). Hound can be useful from anywhere, occultist can heal from anywhere, bounty hunter is good in 1/2/3. Don't need a shuffle party if you just have a party that doesn't matter where they are

If you want to SUPER cheese it. Bring +virtue chance items, get afflicted intentionally, and use the zombie thing I mentioned above to heal to 0 if you don't get a virtue.

Post more plague doctor

>>384811373
>and hellion doesn't do less damage, because she's got a 20% damage camp buff
The leper still does more damage without that buff, and doesn't take up respite points. You could, for example, take the occultist +damage buff, or the lepers +accuracy/crit buff instead and still have higher damage.

The leper is also pretty good in the crimson court, as a majority of enemies are shufflers and are thus pretty spread out, so the restriction to the front enemies isn't as much of an issue.
It's not like the ruins where you always want to get rid of those skeleton courtiers in the back first before anything else; all of the enemies are pretty much equally viable targets. Enemies constantly lurch towards the front, where the leper can hew them easily.

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>>384812736
>Dismas
My condolences

>>384812074
A prophet has started gibbering about the dooms that the Ancestor was doing behind everyone's back. At first, the Ancestor considered him a babbling idiot, but soon discovered that his gibbering was WAY too accurate for co-incidence. So the Ancestor had him murdered.

But it didn't really stick. Knifes in the back, drownings, strangling, poisoning, every method the Ancestor tired didn't work. The next day, the Prophet would be back, a little worse for wear, but undeterred from preaching his portents of doom to the townsfolk. Eventually, the Ancestor got sick of his shit, and decided that if the Prophet really wanted to know what he was doing, he'd show him everything.

Upon realizing the awful truth, the Prophet tore out his eyes and ran screaming about a great evil beneath the earth. The Ancestor knew not where he went, but knew that he didn't care because the prophets mutterings had riled the townsfolk.

The Ancestor knew he was in trouble when even the Lawmen refused his generous bribes. So he turned to outside help, hiring a mercenary band of tight lipped and tight fisted thugs and murders to keep the peace, bringing with them three great cannons of war.

As the days wore on, however, the Ancestor soon realized that his massive expenditure of coin, now met with the hiring of the thugs, mean that his coffers were running dry...

(4/?)

>>384812483
>The leper still does more damage without that buff
The point is that hellion can make up that base damage with the buff if you wanted to take away the ONLY benefit leper has. It brings her base damage up in line with his. And then hellion can hit all 4 ranks, has a strong bleed, and can double stun the front ranks. hellion is just better in every single way.

>The leper is also pretty good in the crimson court, as a majority of enemies are shufflers and are thus pretty spread out
which also means when you have a priority bug on rank 3 who just drank up, you can't hit it with your leper. It's the exact opposite of what you want. Less awful than in the ruins? Sure. But I'd still rather have a hellion over a leper in literally every situation.

>>384813052
You're a bad person and I hate you.

>>384799672
tide turning.

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>>384812736
>[<str_death_captor_cauldron_full>]
Quality

>>384812943
The Ancestor's experiments required plundering rare tombs for artifacts and ancient texts on heretical and banned things. Getting them from the corners of the world then shipped back to him wasn't easy, or cheap. Luckily, a hard working team of privateers were more than capable, so long as they were paid on time.

Unfortunately, with the dwindiling financia situation the Ancestor knew that the time of hiring sea captains would soon come to an end. Even as his demands grew more and more dangerous and difficult the sailors began to grumble. The journeys were becoming unprofitable and a marked increase in rates would soon be needed.

Knowing that he didn't have the coin, and afraid that the sailors would tell on him, he instead began work weaving ancient and horrific spells to deal with his labor problems. In the night he rowed out in a small dingy, and placed the finishing touches on the ships anchor.

The next day, when the ship sailed off to find more artifacts, the anchor and chain rose to life, wrapping around the boat and it's crew to drag them down to the depths. Worse yet, the Ancestor, angry at the rough tone taken during negotaions, had decided a horrific fate for them.

The magic of the anchor kept the crew alive, forever reliving their last moments of terrifying agony and fear. Worse yet, the magic on the anchor was not subtle, and two more ships in the region would be pulled down to die before captains began to avoid the accursed cove.

But this still didn't solve the money problem, but the ancestor had heard of ancient rites to contact an ancient people from the ocean depths...

(5/?)

>>384804934
so over powered that you can only have one in a party

>>384804934
He can easily solo the warrens or weald

>>384813803
Of course, there were those who did not believe the crazed yet true rumors of his terrible deeds, and one young maiden in particular had taken a fancy to the dark and mysterious gentleman. Her heady fantasies and desired led to to dismiss any suspicious activities or strangeness as harmless, or "romantic" and so she flitted at the Ancestors heels, something he found endearing at first, but soon grew problematic.

Nevertheless, one night as the moon was full the Ancestor began ritual and chant, and from the ocean came a strange and unnatural people, hunched and glistening wet, festooned with driftwood and rope these pelagic fish men stepped forth from the tide to see who had summoned him.

Explaining his situation to the fish men, they soon began to bargain, claiming that they did indeed have great baubles and treasures and would give them freely to the Ancestor for a few favors. First, ancient relics taken form the ocean by men and boat, and another... worse price.

As the bargain was struck, the Ancestor tuned, and caught a young maid, wide eyed and terrified with what she had seen. And an idea came to him. Some time later, the artifacts had been delivered to the fish men, along with a bound and gagged young woman. That very same night, the tides receded, revealing chests of gold and precious jewels.

The Ancestor would make many more such bargains in the days to come... but it was enough to fuel his final experiment.

(6/7)

>>384814694
His final experiment was based on impossibly old texts that suggested that an apolitically powerful thing could be found beneath the manor, deep under the salt crags of the earth. With the coin earned from the deals struck with the fish men, the Ancestor could not only afford the mercenaries to keep order, but also laborers and tools to begin the excavation.

They dug deeper and deeper. Past the tunnels, past the caves, even past the very foundations of the earth... until they found a great door.

The Ancestor opened it.

And The Thing Beyond The Portal awoke.

And the workers died screaming.

And the Ancestor fled wailing and laughing, mind shattered.

And the dreams started among the villagers.

And the Madmen and Cultists came to bear witness to the New God.

Realizing that he had doomed the world, wracked with guilt, the Ancestor wrote a final letter, before taking his own life. The mob would find him slumped over his desk, but the letter was on its way to you, begging you to come home, to destroy the evil, to correct his mistakes, and wipe away the filth of the Darkest Dungeon.

(7/7)

>>384810084
>What is -prot for a thousand
Yeah that hellion is sure gonna go through that 1 with 60% prot by herself. How can lepers even recover?

>>384815392
>spending extra actions for -prot, still takes just as long to kill since you used the extra actions
hellion can hit all 4 ranks, she can ignore that -60% prot and kill the back rank

>>384815392
That is what Bleed and Blight is for, you dolt.

>>384815392
You use Hellion to kill the enemies without PROT easier and use DOTs and Houndmaster/Bounty Hunter's debuffs on the prot guy.

>>384811373
>Hurr I can't pull or push the enemy
Leper does more damage than the hellion because he was designed too. They furfill different roles.

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>>384815772
yeah man, hew the fuck out of that pelagic guardian

>>384799672
About 8 hours of fun then the rest of your time is 200% grinding a gambling simulator.

>>384815661
Yes you need five abilities on the hellion to hit every rank and match the damage of a leper and requires a turn windup to achieve it all the while you have to use her stun on first turn.

Meanwhile the leper presses
>Hew
And does a shit ton of damage right on hit.

>>384815958
Direct damage doesn't work, that's why you need the Plague Doctor. Her blight skills bypass his Protection and stacks for massive damage.

>>384816210
should read the context senpai

THOOTHED
THEDATED

>>384816284
>>384816210
The context is that leper is best with PD who provides a double stun? Wow! Riveting stuff here champ which is what was said hundreds of replies ago.

>>384816171
Well yeah, the Leper is hella powerful for most things, but he can't really do as much against Protection as it nullifies his damage, and it needs a turn to set up. It's great damage dealer, yeah, but it has it's weaknesses.

Bringing a Leper is fine, but if you rely on nothing BUT the Leper's damage dealing you're gonna have a bad time.

>>384816171
>five abilities
>Wicked Slash, If It Bleeds, Iron Swan can hit every rank
>still gives room for Yawp

Try harder Leper shill.

>>384816389
the context is that hellion is better in literally every way, and none of you have said anything but "nuh uh"

>>384816429
Lepers great for sustained damage against large targets and tanking tho.

Can't hit the back ranks, but you can do worse than a Leper for the front line.

>>384816415
Leper is all the raw damage you need if your comp goes with that. Pd brings blight which is what he is combo with.

i'm tired af and going to bed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6MlEfXGL9M

this is leper

>>384816529
Hellion is better as a flexible fighter, that's true, but she lacks the direct damage of the Leper. Also, she's real fragile, and her powerful attacks cause her to take debuffs.

Useful in the right party, but she's a glass cannon compared to other frontliners.

>>384816429
>-dmg debuff after Yelp
Wow now she does half the damage of a leper!

>>384815324
>The whole backstory is "Your ancestor is a dick"
Can you please spoil the rest of it too? I am now convince I don't have the patince to finish this. The grind is too much for me

>>384816643
>Can't hit the back ranks, but you can do worse than a Leper for the front line.

What character is worse for the frontline really? The only comparable one is Crusader and even they have a stun ability, heals/stress heals for the party and an attack if they're shuffled to the back row to get back to the front. I don't think Leper is awful mind you but compared to every other character in the game he lacks versatility as all he does is raw damage with terrible support and mob control, and mediocre camping skills on top of that

>>384816880
You can use herbs to get rid of that debuff you know.

>>384816950
Its a lovecraftian horror themed game. How do you THINK it ends?

This is the best review you'll ever see for this game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU

Joseph Anderson reviews are top tier.

>>384816980
>Have to spam an item Everytime you want to do damage
>Meanwhile could just hew
Hellion cannot compare to the raw damage of leper, so stop saying she can.

>>384816415
To be fair, a leper hitting a pelagic guardian does about as much damage as a helion hitting a pelagic guardian with a HM/BH's -prot debuff

>>384816529
I said that he's better at the guardian boss, and the crimson court. Most of the enemies there are equally important to kill except for sycophants and supplicants which are less important, but they have low enough hp that a hew can kill one and damage something else. There's never an enemy in CC in rank 4 that you just -have- to kill right now as soon as possible.
You should try him out there. You seem almost... predudiced against him. Like you're personally offended by him as a character.

He also looks and sounds really cool.

>>384816794
fuck off filthy

>>384816980
The stress heal is pretty nice, as you can quite easily heal him back up.

>>384799672
HOW QUICKLY

>>384811323
Late post, but eh... Man at Arms works as either a Tank on the front, or dedicated buffs in the rear. Put him at the front he can to quite a bit of damage with stuns, good damage, and a riposte with lets hit attack anyone who attacks him for free. Mix it in with his ability to Guard another party member and raise his Protection and he can become a borderline unkillable beast.

Put him at the rear with both Command and Bolster and he can quickly make the party hit twice as hard, be hit much less, and move before the enemy does although it still takes a turn or two for his buffs to stack to full effect.

>>384799672
>>384799672
A majority of the trinkets in the game are trash. I'm not sure why they thought almost every trinket must have or downside some of which are worse than their upside (-spd in a game where speed is everything for a minor increase to bleed chance).

Tactically its pretty shallow. The whole game revolves around taking out the faster more dangerous backliners then cleaning up the front. All the enemies they add in champion reinforce this meme. How good a party is depends on how well they can do that.

The quirk system would be interesting if you had some way to influence it. Instead its pure RNG. You lock in the few good ones and get rid of the bad through the cove or sanitarium.

Stagecoach RNG can fuck you by making you run suboptimal parities. If you can't deal with the backliners fast you can enjoy all that stress and damage.

The grind for things like hierlooms can get old fast. Dungeons and the few missions for them are repetitive. Besides enemies, curios, and the background there is little to distinguish each dungeon from each other.

People are right to bitch about the RNG because there is so much of it (even speed is RNG). Once you get to a certain point there isn't much that can get in your way other than RNG because of how shallow the game is.

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>>384799672

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>the collector keeps giving me a visit every single time i go out
>he always gets bitch slapped, except that one time he got 5 crits in a row and almost whacked dismas
give me a break, man

>>384817246
Leper even has a buff to make him even stronger without camp and can reduce prot

>>384817353
this is good bait, none of it false, yet if you prepare well enough than you can easily overcome the rng. the game doesn't have deep mechanics but if you claim that it's extremely shallow and that you also are always at the whims of rng just shows that you are bad at planning out your runs.

>>384817246
>a leper hitting a pelagic guardian does about as much damage as a helion hitting a pelagic guardian
And to be even fairer, the hellion doesn't have to hit that pelagic guardian at all. You're going to iron swan rank 4 and bleed rank 3. The leper MUST attack through that pelagic guardian to do anything at all. That's the entire point.

>he's better at the guardian boss
At the boss itself? I'll concede that. But when you consider the rest of the dungeon including the boss, he doesn't even hold a candle to the hellion.

That's also the same issue with the crimson court itself. You're stucking chopping through supplicants when there's a target at the back that you should be killing instead.

>fuck off filthy
He's right you know.

>>384817240
That exact raw damage difference is nothing considering the utility Hellion has in being able to stun the first two rows and being able to deal with stress dealers in the back right away, how is this so hard for you to understand. Her higher crit chance combined with her unique camp buffs to crit and damage also reduce the damage gap between her and Leper easily while allowing her to use her vastly better standard moveset. Stop acting like Hew is some amazing skill when it's barely better than Zealous Accusation in effectiveness especially in Veteran dungeons and above. Using a herb to reduce the penalty from Yawp is also trivial as they are cheap and you can clearly prepare around using them depending on how fights are going.

>>384817246
>The stress heal is pretty nice, as you can quite easily heal him back up.

It is useful if you have it and have Leper with a lot of stress but that does nothing for other characters. Personally if I ever want to reduce Stress I'd just bring Crusader/Jester/Houndmaster or use specific camping skills. Personally if I run Leper I use Chop/Hew/Solemnity/Intimidate as Solemnity is a little too niche as a self-buff.

>>384817681
Yeh, you can do successful runs quite easily. It's about prep work with your dudes, knowing what you're going to face, and knowing what to bring. There's a dozen things to keep in mind, but if you can balance it all you're gonna have a much easier time.

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>mfw they changed my main man Jester's finale and now it's shit

Anyone know of any mods to change him back

>>384817184
>Joseph Anderson reviews are top tier.
lmfao imagine actually believing this

>>384817698
>You're stucking chopping through supplicants when there's a target at the back that you should be killing instead.
That rarely happens, as most of the enemies are shufflers, leading to enemies being all over the place. It's super rare for you to have 2 supplicants at the front.

>>384817858
>It is useful if you have it and have Leper with a lot of stress but that does nothing for other characters.
I was talking about the one that makes the leper take HP damage in exchange for partywide stress healing.

>>384817172
Everyone goes insane and/or dies maybe with some neverending torment thrown in for good measure?

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>>384817386
is that a picture for ants?

>>384818091
>I was talking about the one that makes the leper take HP damage in exchange for partywide stress healing.
Oh that's his best camping skill then I agree, I do wish it gave a little more stress healing though considering the penalty but it's pretty cost efficient as is.

>>384817681
>yet if you prepare well enough than you can easily overcome the rng.
Yeah I know. Beating something like the Shambler has more to do with your party comp then luck. I'm not sure why you thought that was bait. Too many of the game's elements like the quirk system rely on RNG.

>>384818071
he took a horrible nerf but he's still decent. I really don't know why they did it, there are a handful of other ways they could have balanced it out better, and they chose the worst option, but he's still a great character. especially with the building.

>>384818179
We need a new one for CC, with flagellant and the updated skills.

>>384818084
There's not a better in depth game reviewer. That Irish dude, Matt something, IMO has an annoying voice. Otherwise he'd be good too.

>>384808276
I completely ignore Horror and just deal with the stress as it comes. Never bought or used a laudendum to counter it. Then again I usually bring a jester, backlinehoundmaster, flagellant or crusader on most missions, so I usually have someone who can stress heal during the last mop-up rounds.

>>384817858
Hew is better than zealous accusation because lepers raw damage is much higher so therefore scales better. On top of the buffs he can give himself and can reduce prot.

>>384818380
Jester is still pretty good but his finale is shit.
I miss having him in front and instaggibing one enemy every fight.
His combo is good for bosses, but when more of the shit you're facing you want to get rid of before the 4th turn you won't be using him as more than a stress healer/buffer for 90% of the dungeon

>>384818785
Jester was a little too good of a nuker/support, makes sense. I always had fun bleeding with him as well

>>384818179
ha, my bad. Didnt even notice i grabbed the wrong one previously. Thank you good sir

>>384818359
>I'm not sure why you thought that was bait.
because the entire post is poising the game mechanics on having to rely on rng all the time to beat the game. that's really not true for 90% of the runs, and even when one goes south you can bail and still recover so long as you realize when you're in over your head.
quirk mechanics will not sink a playthrough. it's that simple. and there are plenty of ways to cultivate the quirks you want.
the whole game is about risk management. I understand why people think that means the entire game is up to chance, but it's not true.
if you REALLY want to learn how risk management takes well thought out planning, then read up on internal auditors for companies and/or AIS basics. it's the same concept in a different light, and people make careers out of it.

>>384818158

Nope, the great evil is defeated but it turns out said evil is bound to destroy the world anyway, eventually. The best humans can do is keep delaying the inevitable

>>384818785
it's not great, and he probably is better off overall at just stress healing and buffing, but it's not plain shit.
the biggest problem with it is that you have to have an extremely specific team comp with well thought out move sets and also have to gamble on the speed outcomes, among other things.
that plus the nerf in dmg doesn't really make the effort worth it considering the amount of variables the game throws at you. it's a shame because he was one of my favorite classes, but I still find him useful.

>>384819389
>The best humans can do is keep delaying the inevitable
just like real life.

>>384819038
My beef with nerfing Jester is the fact that flagellant gets a free pass

>>384819419
Yeah I still use him too, but he stays on rank 4/3 stress healing, buffing and occasionally bleeding some dudes.

Jester is my favorite lorewise and gameplay wise, second being grave robber

>>384819574
>Jester is my favorite lorewise and gameplay wise, second being grave robber
a man of taste.

>>384819120
>because the entire post is poising the game mechanics on having to rely on rng all the time to beat the game
It didn't. The quirk mechanics don't sink a play through and I in no way implied that they did, they are just one of the many annoying ways RNG manifests itself.

>the whole game is about risk management.
Yeah I agree. Take the giant for example. A lot of people will complain about his treebranch smackdown crits. You take an occultist with weakening curse and maybe a trinket to increase debuff chance and that won't be a problem. That doesn't stop the game from being largely tactically shallow. After hearing about how hard it was I was somewhat disappointed with the lack of depth.

>>384819515
Pretty sure the Jews are the harbringers of the end times and exterminating them just made it all worse. Need some sort of space cannon to send them away before they awake an eldritch abomination

>>384819574
Flagellant is branded as a "hero" class and is designed to be overpowered.

>>384819681
His barks are pretty funny
"What's the deal with pineapple am i right?"

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>>384799672
Any other good Dark Fantasy games like Darkest Dungeon? Souls shit will be immediately discarded.

>>384819938
Yeah
[Spoiler]your basement [/spoiler]

>>384819693
>It didn't.
it seemed like it to me, then. almost all your points could be negated with proper planning into an area or proper team/skill comp.
like the critique about the trinkets, yes speed is extremely good, but there are other ways you can utilize characters, and that's what the trinkets are essentially for. to play up one style of a character and to force the player to think on how they should use them.
none of the points were wrong, it just seemed like you were intentionally leaving out the other side of story, and like I said, the game mechanics aren't particularly deep or challenging.

>>384820201
I don't have a basement.

>>384819938
What's wrong with dark souls?

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>>384820551
It's an actual fucking meme franchise, an overrated piece if shit with absurd amount of inconsistencies and such shit, convoluted and vague worldbuilding if you can call it that. And so many retarded ween and bodies think that gook invested video games that everything is "Soulslike" now.

>>384815324
Thanks for listing these in what could be the order, I always just imagined the story went from Courtyard to Ruins, to Weald then to Warrens, and finally from Cove to the DD

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>>384808880
>not rolling 3 duellist advancing and a Vestal for emergency heals
>Not killing the Corvid in 2 turns

>>384820445
I'm sorry if I made it seem like I was shitting on the game. I would still recommend the game and have for the most part enjoyed playing it. The stagecoach, trinkets, how speed works, and the brigand pounder fight bother me the most.

I dislike the stagecoach because how it can negatively effect party building. I don't think many of the trinkets are well balanced at all.. A minor increase to something like bleed isn't enough to change how I play HW. Some of the new CC trinkets make me question what the devs were thinking. The pounder fight was way too long and drawn out. Losing a speedroll in a few rare cases can be a death sentence (Your facing four spiders. They all move before you. They mark one character and all attack them breaking them to death's door. When it is your turn they go first and die from bleed/blight before anything else. Things like usually only happen at the start when you don't have any good trinkets).

>>384808671
>Laudanum
It doesn't interact with any curios and enemies that cause horror are rare enough that it is rarely if ever worth taking.

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>>384822660

should I take the opportunity to grab the DLC even if I haven't managed to complete the basegame yet?

I kinda wish overkill damage you did was applied to the corpse left behind by the enemy in question.

>>384823375
Is the Occultist suppose to be one of the Kababs Crusader purged in the many holy wars?

>>384823527
Sometimes having the corpses can be a good thing.

>>384823632
He's a walking reference to The Mad Arab

>>384823632
Mad Arab just like Lovecraft likes it

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>>384810416

What would you improve in the game? There's two areas I think suck badly:

>food mechanics
A "hungry" state that appears randomly the same way food checks do now, for each hero, and that can be healed by eating 1 food would be much better. This way, when you get food and eat it, some (or all) of the bad effects go away.

>equipment mechanics
Too simple, no choices recquired or anything. At least make armors/weapons into items that can be looted and behave the same way as trinkets. You don't even need to design new shit for this. It would be cool if some of them had special effects too.

Some other ideas:

>can ask the trinket seller to order trinkets that arrive a few weeks later, for the price of the trinket on that week plus a %; The % can be reduced with upgrades on the building

>heroes may like or dislike other heroes, this can be done via quirks or another system; Parties should be formed having this in mind and a hero's death will influence other heroes accordingly. Every dungeon run with affect this: If the run went well, they will like each other, if it went badly, they wont want to travel together again.

>>384824491
Would be nice to be able to track hunger. Tired of feeding everyone then on the last hall they get hungry and have to starve.

>>384824491
>Food
>Feed someone to cure a little hp untill he's full
>Two steps later, he's hungry again

>Corpses
They can fuck off, I play without the feature and I feel fine about it

>>384824736
corpses are actually a great feature.
>>384824629
>food check, no food, starves
>dinner cart on the next tile
AAAAAAAA

>>384800879
Also you can see her eyes and that's just wrong, man. I need my Plague Docs to be faceless and smelly.

>>384824984
The person eating that causes a heart attack and dies is best gif

>>384825290
I KNEW IT!

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>>384825290

I just hate doing the Crimson Court missions. You're basically guaranteed to have all your characters come out of it with the curse if they didn't already have it, and it usually costs more money than you get out of it. Add how bullshit some of the enemies are plus the faggot croc and it's just not fun

>>384826381
I am like 70 weeks in, I am only up to the 2nd CC mission and it's a pain.

It does not help there is no mission like in the other areas where you can do it and get some sort of buff the next week

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>>384826247
>the way everyone is suddenly sliding with their asses over the floor at sanic speed

>>384799672

Grinding, boredom. Especially in the lategame.

>>384826667
Would you like more random bosses thrown at you? Or game getting progressively more difficult

>>384824736
Corpses are pretty handy if you've got a plague doctor, as they can keep hitting those backlines

>>384826637
>dibs on his spot
>fuck you you heal whore, my face is melting away, I deserve it
>like fuck any of you deserve it, I killed atleast two hundred heretics, move aside cockwhores

>>384821582
all good, I just usually see too many people acting like rng is the deciding factor in this game while shitting on it and I don't agree.
and the stage coach can fuck you over, but if you invest in it's upgrades early on, then it's really unlikely that you won't be able do anything with it. at the worst you just make suicide runs and dismiss everyone afterwards and keep the gold. it's actually not too bad because you can mess around with some fun team comps and find some unconventional party/skill builds.

How do i give someone the blood while they are in the hamlet?

>>384828806
They will drink it automatically.

Any good party comps for the Shambler?

This guy always fucks me up

>>384828806
it's automatically done as long if you have Blood.

I also feel like I screwed up because I traded in trinkets to get the +2 Blood a week building

>>384829121
Abomination is good for Raking the shambler spawn to death.

>>384829121
abomination and leper are good for raking/hewing the spawn, although leper can get fucked up by shuffles.
Flag can take a lot of the damage/stress

Plague doctor can stun stuff, maybe.

Arb/BH/HM can mark attack for massive damage.

>>384830379
>>384830570
just give me a working party i can copy pls

>>384830570
Mark parties are great and all but most recently added bosses all seem to have that 3-4 moves per turn meme that makes them useless. They seem to be forcing plague/bleed as the way to cheese shit

>>384829121
Try Occultist, HW, Abo, GR. Abo rakes, HW riposte with point blank/wicked slice in the mix, GR lunges/pick to the face/daggers, occ has bonus damage against eldritch.

>>384830792
iirc the shambler only gets one so it's not that bad