Now that the dust has settled... Empire or Stormcloaks?

Empire for that hot elf spunk in your butt.

>>384787123
Stormcloak for that hot elf spunk in your mouth

Stormcloak because I love killing children.

stormcloaks because I identify as /pol/

>>384787042
Stormcloaks if you are a nationalist

Empire if you are a globalist

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>>384787042

>>384787313
No anon.
Stormcloaks if you want religious freedom.
Empire If you want to be cuck'd by the Dominion.

The Empire makes more logical sense given the greater geopolitical situation, but they are such huge cucks I couldn't bring myself to join them.

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>>384787616
Religious freedom and an independent nation

Why would a non-Nord ever support the Stormdorks?

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>>384787619
Mah N'Wah

>>384787042
>Story in skyrim

Kek, the writing in that game sucked so much cock I just couldn't bring myself to care about anything.

Oblivion will remain the better game for the time being.

Stormcloaks to save evropa, imperials to ensure the elven colonisation of mans continent, easy pick, stormcloaks all the way.

Skyrim is Britain.
The Empire is the EU.
The Dominion are ISIS.
The Stormcloak Rebellion is the Brexit campaign.
Ulfric Stormcloak is Nigel Farage.
General Tullius is David Cameron.

There's only one option, let's be real.

>>384787982
Actually, I've changed my mind. Tullius is more like Juncker.

>>384787042
Stormcloaks because the Empire wanted to chop my head off.

>>384787808
It's patchy but has some strong moments in fairness. The whole Thalmor/Empire/Stormcloak setting is pretty well devised in my opinion.

>>384787982
Skyrim is Sweden
Stormcloaks is SD
The dominion are (((them)))
The empire is the leftist globslists
Ulfric Stormcloak is Jimmie Åkesson
General Tullius is Stefan Löfven

Makes more sense desu, Sweden is a Nordic country and Skyrim is also

>>384787042
Neither, because this series is shit.

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>>384788197
really what i think skyrim lacked was gameplay and RPG elements

>>384788464
Call the fire department for this 'sic bern' ho boy us posters posting in this thread sure are btfo wew lads and other newfag memes

>>384787042
Stormcloacks
>>384787721
Because they are objectively correct
>>384788408
SD sucks dick

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>>384790595
talos is real anon i know too

Wasn't it a plot point that the stormcloaks are actually a false-flag by the thalmor to destabilize the region? Stormcloaks are the ULTIMATE thalmor cucking because only a strong empire can eventually fight back against the elves.

>>384787808
Yet 50 years after it was released you still felt compelled to join in a thread about it.

One of us does not understand the concept of not caring and it isn't me.

>>384787982
So who's the USA?

>>384787042
the morally correct choice would be the empire, but they tried to cut off my head so fuck them.

>>384790460
still has more roleplaying in the gamplay/combat than every similar game released in the past 6 years

>>384790768
Shame there is no strong empire around.
High Rock and Cyrodil is more of an alliance than Empire

>>384787042
Stormcloaks. They're the only faction who are okay with me going around torturing and killing elven scum. Kill every single Thalmor elf you come across.

>>384790595
>SD sucks dick
t. Sholmo/ Gudrun schyman

>>384787313
Stormies if you wanna support Elvish cock.

>>384791198
Vice versa

>>384788197
Bethesda made a good decision stealing from Kirkbride's fanfiction. They should do it more often.

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS

>>384787808
>Oblivion will remain the better game for the time being.
You reek of nu-/v/, nu-/v/.

>>384791198
Nords are the finest mer removers on Nirn.
You are saying dumb things and should feel bad about it.

>>384792102
Not sure if serious.

>>384787982
No
Like no at all
Britain was practically the "leader" of the EU besides Germany
The Empire is definitely Britain in this scenario
Skyrim is more akin to Poland

>>384792221
How far up your own ass is your head?
I bet you have to stop and try not to use 4chin buzzwords in real life you pathetic fuck.

>no thalmor route
One fucking job Bethesda.

Daily reminder the Altmer are superior to you in every way.

>>384792240
>Nords are the finest mer removers on Nirn.

>what is Walks Brass and the Ancestroscythe
>what is Pelinal Whitestrake

Will you Bethesda shills fuck off?
To anyone who doesn't already know, these threads are just to maintain attention to Skyrim for the 2020 rerelease.

>couldn't be a Thalmor
>made an altmer and sabotaged as much nord stuff as I could anyway

What could have been.

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>>384787042
Daily reminder that this dude is Thalmor's little bitch

>>384787042
Empire because I'm not a nord and half of Ulfric's court insulted me when I went to try out their questline.

>>384794393
>Ancestroscythe
From the creators of Pankratosword.

Damn, those names are idiotic.

>Every TES game advances the story by hundreds of years
>The Thalmor storyline will be relegated to being a book in the sequel

we'll never know the end

>>384794615
t. greyskin

>>384787042
Charlie?

>>384794615
Every nord sissy is one, everybody's a bitch in the eyes of the Altmer.

>>384794393
The first two sound MKish and are therefore irrelevant.
The second is an honorary Nord.

>>384787042
Nootrul but kill Thalmor as often as possible.

>>384794769
Ulfric is Thalmor's litteral bitch, he is their sleeping agent

>>384794697
The Khajit find out the Thalmor lied about the moons.
The Bosmer finally have enough with the AD purges.
The Altmer find out the Thalmor were daedra worshippers and are over thrown.

Ray Charles could see how the AD ends.

>>384790863
red mountain

The Empire
the true enemy are the elves and the Stormcloak Rebellion only feeds the Thalmor's strength by weakening the only real resistance to them: The Empire.
It may not be as powerful as it once was, but The Empire is the only thing that is stopping the Thalmor from taking over Nirn and erasing all non-Altmer races.

>>384787042
Six years ago I thought it was pretty cut and dry fact that the Imperials were in the right.

Now I realize that things are a lot more complicated and there are plenty of good points to be made for both sides, however, who would theoretically be the best choice depends on what the future plans of the factions are, which is something we don't really know for sure because in-game all we really see is present grievances; we don't really see a clear picture of what is going to be done about the Aldmeri Dominion, we only have theories.

For example, Stormcloaks would be the best choice if there was some kind of promise of mutual military aid as part of the peace treaty with the Imperials; IE, even though Skyrim secceded, if they promised to still help the Imperials against the Dominion when the time came, they would be the best choice by fucking MILES. However, we don't know that.

I still tend to err on the side of the Stormcloaks these days though.

>>384794393
You also have the Marukhati Selective of the Alessian Empire, who were basically the 1E-2E human version of the Thalmor. They even had a similar plan; erase the Elven race by suppressing their religious beliefs, which in turn would erase the pro-merish aspects of Akotosh. Their efforts lead to the first dragon break, and the Altmer are still sore about it all.

>>384795018
He's a "Dormant Asset". Like Bin Laden.

>>384795062
>The Altmer find out the Thalmor were daedra worshippers and are over thrown.
This are lies

>>384794309

They're so beta they literally outlawed the religion that has the idea that a man became a god. They're the most insecure race in all of Tamriel.

>I bet you believe in Talos. *tips fedora*

>>384794673
It's what erases the Altmer race from existence in the 5 Era.

>>384787313
Globalist reporting for duty.

>>384787616
The banning of Talos worship is just silly, since the divinity of Talos is not derived from his worshippers. The Thalmor believe that unmaking the god of mankind will also unmake men, but they're in the wrong kalpa entirely for that to work. In fact, their very efforts to "kill" Talos are merely allowing him to mantle the entity which they fear and despise the most: Lorkhan, doom-drum.

Talos is coming back, and it will not be a good thing for anyone, but it will be especially bad for the elves. It doesn't matter if Skyrim secedes or not, because when Lorkhan+Talos aka Doom-Drum-Born-of-Man arrives on the scene there will be absolutely nothing which can stop him.

The elves will become Daedra.
The Daedra will become Aedra.
Mankind will become "elves".
Argonians will become the new Men,
and inheritors of the next world.

>>384794773
Yeah. MK is fucking shit. Half of the reason I could never get into Morrowind thanks to his nonsensical weird shit. Oblivion and Skyrim were much more my speed.

>>384794697
>Every TES game advances the story by hundreds of years
fake news
Babby who only played Oblivion and Skyrim detected

>>384795107
But the Empire isn't stopping that. They don't even know it's happening. Most Thalmor don't even know that's the plan. It's one of the most extremist conspiracies of some members of the Dominion. Picking a side in the Civil doesn't really matter in that regard since Snow Throat has already fallen because the Civil War is going before you even arrive in Skyrim.

Aside from that owning the regions the Towers exist in doesn't really assist the Thalmor in their plot all that much, since they all need to be deactivated by specific means. The only thing having control allows them to do suppress the worship of Talos and then end the pillar of reality that he represents. Which the Empire is already currently allowing them to do.

>>384795684
>MK is fucking shit. Half of the reason I could never get into Morrowind thanks to his nonsensical weird shit.

It's been a long, long time since I've seen taste this shit.

>>384795607
>The banning of Talos worship is just silly, since the divinity of Talos is not derived from his worshippers. The Thalmor believe that unmaking the god of mankind will also unmake men, but they're in the wrong kalpa entirely for that to work. In fact, their very efforts to "kill" Talos are merely allowing him to mantle the entity which they fear and despise the most: Lorkhan, doom-drum.

They're just copying Marukh, who got real close to wiping out the elves by splitting Akotosh and then mantling a new identity on to him.

>>384795347
Licensed and released games aren't canon.
The drug fueled ramblings of an ex dev are.
Your typical C0DAfag everyone.

>>384787264
>stormcloaks
>/pol/

Stormcloaks are trying to uphold a civilization that has been cucked for centuries by the superior Imperial Race.

>>384795062
The Thalmor are many things, but Daedra worship isn't one of them. They're hardcore Aerdra suckers.

I don't think it matters. I think at the end of the civil war, which ever is victorious, the Dragonborn will unite the empire as Talos once did and that will start a new era.

>>384795062
>The Khajit find out the Thalmor lied about the moons.
This is possible.
>The Bosmer finally have enough with the AD purges.
The purges are in regards to removing Imperial Loyalists within Valenwood. They aren't genocidal pograms.
>The Altmer find out the Thalmor were daedra worshippers and are over thrown.
The Thalmor aren't Daedra worshipers so how would the Altmer at large find that out.

>>384794697
I get what you're saying anon but Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Shadowkey, Morrowind and Oblivion all take place within a span of 50 years. ESO and Redguard are set in 2E and well before arena by a few hundred years, and skyrim is 200 years after oblivion.

Considering how much of a normie hit and money maker skyrim was I think they'd keep the next TES within a close time frame to skyrim in order to reference events from the game a lot as a marketing tool, it isn't unreasonable for bethesda to do so. But that said yes, previous titles like to keep events from previous games out of obvious sight, but events like the dragon break and destruction of vvardenfell had a big effect on future games.

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I just cant side with a group that tried to cut off my head

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from a strictly pragmatic point of view, the Imperials are the correct choice.

they are not the good guys, and it doesn't matter who's right, it only matters who has a better chance of winning an all out war against the dominion.

Skyrim may hold out on it's own, thought it probably won't But actually going to war into Dominion territory and defeating them? helping the empire if it gets attacked once they break off? not gonna happen.

>>384795684
MK filtered through sane people is fine.
MK unfiltered and left to his own devices is shit.

His own fanon is so convoluted and contradictory it is rapidly becoming unworkable.
It is going the comic book route of power creep.
Remember CHIM well let me tell you about Amaranth.

>>384796108
Don't think so. The 4E is meant to be something of a low point for Tamriel, a dark age sandwiched between the relatively peaceful and high magic 3E and the 5E scientific (as in, Dwemer style science) golden age. Uniting the empire won't happen until the end of the 4E. Besides, the Dohvakiin is kind of a mercenary dolt and not really leadership material.

>>384796060
The foundation for this has been laid since Oblivion
Maybe if you followed the lore over fanfics you could have seen this coming.

>>384787808

Hahahahahahahaha.

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion

>>384796368
If we're being pragmatic we need to side Altmer and free ourselves from the dream

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>>384787042
>Do you want to side with the faction that is planning to smash the Thalmor once and for all by taking advantage of the faster human reproductive cycle spread across the largest recruitment pool in the world?

>Or do you want to side with the faction who's leader was manipulated by the Thalmor into chimping out about a ban on Talos worship that wasn't even enforced anyway and so giving the Thalmor the perfect excuse to come to Skyrim in person and start persecuting everybody for it?

Gee I dunno, this is a tough one.

>>384796456
>let me tell you about Amaranth.
Amaranth is in Skyrim: Dragonborn though. It's a key point of the First Dragonborn's plot.

>>384796456
This. I love pretty much everything he did for Morrowind and Oblivion, but can't stand his newer stuff.

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>Join the Empire
>but also join the Brotherhood and assassinate the Emperor

>>384796456
Amaranth isn't really a problem since you basically transcend to the point where you can no longer meaningfully interact with Anu's dream. You end up with so much power that you don't have any. You might be able to break back in, like Padomay has been trying to do since Anu removed him from time, but you're much more likely just to go and become your own Godhead totally separated from the dream that birthed you.

>>384796953
Didn't Padomay create/control Sithis as a fuck you to Mundus?

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when will the empire get this fabulous

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>>384787042
>Siding with crazy rebels who don't understand how anything works, chimp out and solve nothing
It's like being left wing if the left was actually like what the right pretends it is

>>384796942
Thats smart. Titus Mede II is a dumbass who alienated his two most militaristic provinces while preparing for war and actually agreed to enforced a demand to completely abolish his own secret service while letting the enemy's have free reign of his Empire.

Hopefully his kid or whoever takes the throne has more of a brain.

>>384796497
>5E scientific
You know well it' never going to happen

>>384797331

pretty much

the Stormcloaks aren't Brexit, they're Calexit.

>>384797331
>turning things into /pol/ for no reason

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>>384797283
was looking for the original for a while
thanks

>>384787042
Empire for superior human coalition against elves

>>384797474
/pol/ would lynch me for that opinion

>>384797503
>superior human coalition
>Hated by Hammerfell
>Hated by at least half of Skyrim
>Bretons are meh towards either.

Yeah really rock solid relation there.

>>384797343
He's also the man that guaranteed the complete destruction of the Thalmor, as long as retards like Ulfric don't go nuts and waste thousands of human lives that would be better spent putting elves to the sword in a decade or so.

>>384797356
Yeah. 5E as presented is too weird to adapt. Imperials using computers to hack reality, C0DA, space ships and moon bases, digitized ghosts and daedra possessing shit, and the memosphere. Then you have Landfall, which kills almost everything and forces the survivors to live underground on the moon. It'd be impossible to adapt.

>being a Nord
>following a weak pussy leader like Ulfric

lmao

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>>384798134
+1

THIS

true Nords follow Elisif

>>384797868
>guaranteed the complete destruction of the Thalmor

In what way? He ended a war with terms horribly out of his favor, when he had all of the remaining Veteran Legions gathered and ready to continue the war, he then continued to completely alienate Skyrim and Hammerfell with the terms he agreed to, pretty much guaranteeing revolt and civil war from both. The Emperor could of just done what he did with Hammerfell and cut Skyrim loose. Instead he chose to invest into an extremely costly War with a nation that agrees with 90% of his goals and is only really pissed on one major topic.

>>384796310
What is the Dunmer grudge against the Thalmor?

>>384797868
If you go by MKverse it is game over already so nothing matters.Glad I killed Vivec and my playthrough is safe from that shitshow.

If you stay strictly in game The Empire is down to two loyal provinces.That does not inspire confidence in me.The Empire is far too impotent to stop the AD.
A Skyrim/Hammerfell alliance is stronger than the Cyrodil /High Rock one.

>>384797712
Are you implying the Stormcloaks would rally other human races better? No they'd just sit there in skyrim and feel grand about pushing the imps out.

>>384798643
They're Altmer. Dunmer don't like Altmer and vice versa. They have a bad history.

>>384798134
I was kinda pissed that Ulfric didn't torture and burn all the Dunmer and other sub humans. He lets them into his city even. He isn't a true Nord. A true Nord revels in combat and the music of mewling elven offspring before he smashes their heads in under his boot.

>>384798643
The dungmer are daedra worshippers and the Altmer are Aedra worshippers (For the most part)

Way back the Aldmer kicked the Chimer out of the cool kids club over this.

>>384798626
Skyrim was almost completely unaffected by the treaty because the Empire didn't actually enforce any of the bans up there, because they knew it would piss off the Nords something fierce and they also knew the Thalmor didn't have the political clout to intervene up there personally without triggering another war, which the Thalmor really couldn't afford so soon after the last.

However when Ulfric Stormcloak staged his little revolt with his army buddies in protest of the ban that was never enforced in the first place, the Thalmor found themselves with an ironclad excuse to go to Skyrim in person and start actively enforcing their ban in brutal fashion.

Of course Ulfric and half of the Nords, being the smart cookies they are, immediately blamed this on the Empire and started a war over it.

>>384798983
Historically, the Nords have been the Dunmer's worst enemies. Unlike the other races, whenever the Nords invaded, it wasn't to take land or secure resources and slaves, it was to exterminate every single Dunmer they came across.

>>384798134
>>384798335
>Follow some cunt who calls in Uncle Septim the second life gets hard for her

yeah no.

>>384799063
Do you work for the Imperial ministry of propaganda?

>>384787042
Empire all day every day.

>>384799619
this, tbqh

FUCK Men

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>>384799364
Nords are like Orcs when it comes to war. Taking prisoners and mercy isn't really in their vocabulary. It's why many of the Nords wars result with one group pretty much completely erased.

Funny thing is that the Nords didn't even care about Talos until Skyrim. The only members of Talos Cult in Morrowind are Imperials.

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>"This is exactly what they wanted, you know."

>>384799745
No true Nord would go to Morrowind

>>384799343
So the Thalmor aren't ready for another war so they send their lackeys from the Empire to fight this battle for them?

Why would the Empire do this?
What do they actually gain from it?
Wouldn't killing Nords who want to fight the AD be a bad idea?

The Stormcloaks look like fricken Einstein when compared to the Empire.

>>384799883
They wanted an independent nation that is openly hostile to them, instead of a centralized, semi-vassalized one?

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>>384799730
If you're talking about Wulfharth/Ysmir, he was kind of a douchebag and not representative of Nords even if he's held up as their greatest hero. I don't think too many Nords would be happy to know what he was getting up to as the Underking in Daggerfall.

>>384799343
A public ban is still a public ban and speaks volumes to the Nords. Temples and Shrines were still closed regardless of the fact that people still largely got away with private worship. That doesn't make it tolerable to the Highly religious Nords. It's still an active ban against their primary God. Expecting an entire population to go along with your "Wink wink nudge nudge" ban when you're still actively shutting down worship is retarded.

>>384787982
Is that the subtle implication that Farage works with ISIS? Because Ulfric is the Thalmor's bitch and he doesn't even know.

>>384800134
Nah, the Underking was pretty cool despite being a Draughr Lich. He was the only guy who didn't want to use Numidium to fuck things over and just wanted peace.

>>384798956
Probably. A coalition of people who hate elves would probably go better then a shitty decaying empire led by incompetent nobles trying to tell those provinces what to do while signing treaties that fuck them over for their efforts.

>>384800093

Dīvide et īmpera - dīvide et īmpera.

>>384787808
In Skyrim's defense, it's plot was a good step back in the right direction. There's' always some sort of Empire vs Stormcloaks, or Thalmor discussion here. When was the last time you saw anyone here talk about what happened in Oblivion?

>>384800852
The setup is better, but Oblivion's quests are infinitely more memorable.

>>384799063
It's more that when ambushed by an Imperial squad just moments prior to the beginning of the game, Ulfric surrendered immediately. All that talk about Nord traditions, fighting to the death, all that talk and the moment things aren't looking right he surrenders.

Why would any actual Nord follow a leader like that.

>>384799364
That was true for an age when the Nords were going nuts and building a large empire but largely stopped once Morrowind become a part of the Empire and they were made to play nice.

The Altmer tried to genocide the Chimer as well since they were trying to be different but that didn't go well. Both have sour histories but in recent history Nords and Dunmer have more reason to like each other than Dunmer and Altmer as long as the town drunks can sober up long enough to remember that Dunmer were on the Empire's side in the Great War.

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Empire. Simply because skyrim on its own won't be able to survive and it was always part of the empire. Especially since the empire plans to wage war on the elves anyway once they are ready again.

But I honestly like the way how Bethesda created these factions. There is more then enough room for a lot of speculations on both sides.

>>384799714
What a master play on part of Ulfric to actually make the Thalmore trust him. He has those elf shits right where he wants them

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>>384800852
>it's hard to create lasting controversy

>>384800038
>So the Thalmor aren't ready for another war so they send their lackeys from the Empire to fight this battle for them?

The Thalmor aren't involved with the civil war at all, beyond being the ones who steered Ulfric into starting it in the first place. It was Ulfric's killing of the High King in an extremely shady "duel" that sparked the war, the Thalmor themselves had nothing to do with that.

>Why would the Empire do this? What do they actually gain from it?

They secure the entire province of Skyrim and its population to supply their Legions in the second war against the elves, obviously. This is a stupid question.

>Wouldn't killing Nords who want to fight the AD be a bad idea?

Once the war is started the Empire has no choice in the matter, if they cede the province they will likely lose all of its troops for good what with the rebellion being based entirely upon anti-Empire sentiment. That's a price the Empire simply cannot afford in its current situation.

>>384800313
The entire population pretty much did go along with it. Ulfric was the only person who actually chimped out about it, and he was conveniently the one person who also got manipulated by the Thalmor while a prisoner of war. That blacksmith in the first village tells the player that life went on as normal after the treaty and everyone just got on with it because they all had private shrines anyway which the Empire wilfully ignored.

>>384800847
Doesn't make sense in this situation, though.
Skyrim is an uninvadeable, isolated land on the other side of the continent from the Altmer, full of elf hating Men.
How does it make sense to help them get independence, instead of keeping them pacified in the nation that you basically have under your boots?

>>384801142
It doesn't matter if it's hard to do or not. At least there is SOMETHING there.

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Empire if you're a TES fan who played the previous games

Stormcloak is Skyrim is your first game and DUDE THE DRAGONBORN WILL HELP OUT XDDDD

>>384801221
The Empire wasn't even enforcing the WGC very hard, people could freely worship Talos in their homes. Ulfirc chimping out at Markarth is what brought the Thalmor down on Skyrim.

Not only did he kill his king, but by chimping out he got untold numbers of innocent civilians killed by the Thalmor. Ulfric is a fucking faggot. If anyone else was the leader of the Stormcloaks I would have sided with them, but Ulfirc is too big a bitch. Hell if fucking Galmar was the leader of the Stormcloaks I would have joined.

>>384801102
>skyrim on its own won't be able to survive
Why wouldn't it?

>>384801221
>That blacksmith in the first village tells the player that life went on as normal after the treaty and everyone just got on with it because they all had private shrines anyway which the Empire wilfully ignored.

He's just one guy with his own opinion. Other characters, like Jora who runs the temple of Talos thinks differently.

>>384801439
>Empire if you're a TES fan who played the previous games
>"The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."
:^)

Reminder that the Nords are the most important race of Men in Tamriel. They built the first Empire, they helped Pelinial free the ancient Imperials from the Aylieds, they cast Alduin into the time-stream, they genocided the Snow Elves, and they are by far the biggest recruitment province the Empire has.

>>384801439
>Stormcloak is Skyrim is your first game and DUDE THE DRAGONBORN WILL HELP OUT XDDDD

Well, we all know then what ending Bethesda will make canon.

>>384801251
>Skyrim is an uninvadeable, isolated land
They don't give a shit about Skyrim, the tower is already done.
By defeating the Empire here they weaken the only entity capable of standing up to them.

>>384801641
yeah im sure they will go with the blatant racist faction

>>384801601
The Empire is still around if we take anything from the 5 Era as canon.

>>384801648
>By defeating the Empire here they weaken the only entity capable of standing up to them.

Why the fuck do people think the Empire can defeat the Dominion when they got BTFO when they were in a much stronger state?

>>384801708
How are they racist?

>>384787042
>mfw i realize the altmer are the white overlords in the dev's eyes

I don't know how to feel, it's like bethesda needs to be victimized on all sides.

>a superior race is evil for succesful conquest
>the underdog is evil because dey racist

And they must have got together at some point and thought 'who can we make the REAL victims? I don't want it to be anyone relatable, ok, dark elves are niggers i guess'

>>384801458

Because its the plan of the Aldmeri Dominion to sow distrust so that they can take on human nations more easily.

Of course there is Hammerfell and their war with the Aldmeri Dominion but at that time the Aldmeri Dominion was severely weakened and Hammerfell itself was devastated after the war.

If Skyrim stood alone and Hammerfell continues its own thing the Aldmeri Dominion can always come back for another try.

>>384801767
People think looking out for your own people is racism.

>>384801619
>they genocided the Snow Elves
Weren't the Dwemer/Dunmer the ones to finish them off though?

>>384801221
Oh yeah the village smith in bumfuck no where got away with things just fine? That's surprising.

>>384801708

If Bethesda actually cared about that the racism wouldn't be there in the first place.

They're just going to go with the more interesting option, which is the continued decay of the Empire. They don't have to address the Stormcloaks specifically for this either.

>>384801221
If they just send a guy to check the closets for Stormcloaks they would abide by the terms of the WGC.
As you stated the Thalmor are not ready for the war and would be unable to enforce their will.

Instead the Empire chose to weaken themselves and the Nords at the same time simply because the AD told them to.

I fail to see the logic.

>>384801760
Why do you think that a set of independent nations that used to belong the Empire now stand a chance on their own while the Dominion remains united?
>b-but m-muh Hammerfell
Half the country was devastated, it was a leftover Thalmor regiment, and they got undercover help from the Empire.

>>384801774
>dark elves are niggers i guess'
They're actually based around Jews and other Semitic Near-Eastern cultures.

>>384801884
Yes, but the Ancient Nords ass fucked them so badly with just 500 of them that they had to retreat underground

>>384801957
That's exactly what the Empire did before Ulfric's first revolt, though. It was Ulfric that brought the Thalmor down on Skyrim in force, it was Ulfric that started the civil war that got thousands killed for no reason.

Ulfric, Ulfric, Ulfric. The dragons coming back is pretty much the only major problem in Skyrim he's not responsible for.

>>384796785
Snow niggers are so easily manipulated

>>384801838
Why would Skyrim stand alone?
They're on alright terms with the Dunmer, and neighbours with the Redguards with whom they alread share a hatred for the Thalmor.
It's as if you believe that foreign policy is a non-existent concept in TES, and that nations can only work towards common goals by being under some "Empire".

>>384801954
>date] [Auto] 8 new posts
Every RPG has its designated evil faction to join. In Skyrim its the stormcloaks

>>384801987
>Why do you think that a set of independent nations that used to belong the Empire now stand a chance on their own while the Dominion remains united?

Because the Empire is actively being weakened by the Dominion. They're being corrupted and will be unable to ever start a decisive war against the Dominion with all the nobles being bribed, the secret torture dungeons in their land, the forced tribute to the Dominion, etc. It is a sinking ship.

>>384801760
Is this why people try to pump up the current Empire to protect MKs fanon?

I have some news for you.There is a reason the guy that spouts the MK stuff in Skyrim is named Heimskr. It means "Fool"or "Idiot"in Icelandic.

Hell even ESO is poking fun of MK now.

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>>384798837
>A Skyrim/Hammerfell alliance is stronger than the Cyrodil /High Rock one.

how about a Skyrim/High Rock/Cyrodil empire under one rule?

let's face it there's going to be a second war no matter what, the least broken up everyone is against the Thalmor the better. Besides, Hammerfell has very little in the way of an organized, united government and the main resistance is led by imperial proxies and nomadic tribes, not the actual hammerfell kingdoms.

>>384802493
>They're being corrupted and will be unable to ever start a decisive war against the Dominion with all the nobles being bribed
The game tells you otherwise. Both the Emperor and Tullius are sharpening their swords for another war.
You're just reciting Stormcloak propaganda, no one likes the Thalmor in the Empire.

>>384801987
>Half the country was devastated, it was a leftover Thalmor regiment, and they got undercover help from the Empire.
I also half suspect that the Thalmor weren't really actually trying to take Hammerfell, but rather were just trying to drive a further wedge between them and the Empire.
Mission accomplished it seems.

>>384801038
Nords still fight wars in the same manner as they did in the past. Go in, kill everything, ask no questions, take no prisoners, call it a day. Reconciliation or post war peace is something they laugh at as being soft. Unfortunately for them, this way of fighting is an all or nothing sort of deal. If they don't totally succeed, then they end up with some very angry neighbors, like the whole situation with their Breton population in the West.

>>384801251
>Skyrim is an uninvadeable, isolated land on the other side of the continent from the Altmer, full of elf hating Men.

because nobody has sailed around Tamriel before right?

>>384802767
They didn't need to invade Hammerfell to do that. The Redguards were already pissed the Empire agreed to sign away their lands. There was no "undercover help" from the Emperor. The Legions in Hammerfell weren't some secret plot to resist the Thalmor. They were literally just the pissed off Redguard Legions who ditched the Empire when the Empire ditched their homeland.

>>384802679
And you're just reciting imperial propaganda, everyone likes Thalmor gold in the Empire.

>>384802679
>The game tells you otherwise. Both the Emperor and Tullius are sharpening their swords for another war.

No, it does not.

The Emperor is a retard who just allows himself to be killed and Tullius has ONE line where he states he's "not sure about the peace between the Dominion." But this isn't even an active statement of "we're going to go to war," it's "war is inevitable," which is something agreed upon by everyone.

Compare this to the Thalmor agents, who say every time you talk to them that men are inferior and they can't wait for round 2.

>>384803047
>nobody has sailed around Tamriel before right?
Not to my knowledge, no.
And anyway, they couldn't manage a naval invasion into fucking Hammerfell, which is right next door.
How are they going to invade Skyrim? I guess they could invade from Cyrodiil, imps would probably be more than glad to not only give them access, but set up their supply lines, too.

Skyrim belongs to the Forsworn

>>384803515
>nobody has sailed around Tamriel before right?
fuck, was thinking of Nirn
Yeah, Tamriel has been sailed around before, by Topal and some others. Still, exploratory and trading voyages =/= naval invasions.

>>384802261
Who let the Thalmor in?
The Empire should have told them "Fuck off this is an internal matter."
They instead launched a war to eliminate the Stormcloaks.

Cyrodil is either corrupt to the point it is a vassal state of the AD at this time or just pants on head retarded.

>>384787042
skyrim belongs to the nords
elflovers can fuck off

>>384802345
Please this isn't an Obsidian tier Legion option.

>>384803675

the Empire brought a gigantic armada to invade Akavir and got there without issues, a simple circling around high rock would be easy as fuck

>>384802332

Both Hammerfell and Morrowind are weakened. Skyrim would be too after a civil war. If those nations would work together is an entirely different story. Maybe, maybe not who knows.

The empire on the other hand is sure to wage war against the Thalmor again once they gain enough strength.

>>384802573
Swap Cyrodil for Hammerfell and you have something.
Cyrodil is a lost cause at this point.

>>384803431
>The Emperor is a retard who just allows himself to be killed
He's also the man that ruled during the Great War, pretending that he's comfortable with the current state of affairs is idiotic.
>Tullius has ONE line where he states he's "not sure about the peace between the Dominion." But this isn't even an active statement of "we're going to go to war," it's "war is inevitable," which is something agreed upon by everyone.
Tullius states he's not going to go on any further because that could compromise him politically, when he gets killed at the end of the civil war questline he openly displays his bitterness at the fact that this whole thing was a Thalmor diversion.

>>384802332
I'm not so sure that the Dunmer would join the Nords against the Altmer even if they didn't get nuked.

>>384803515
They don't have too. Snow Throat is deactivated. All they need to dissolve Mundus is to take down Ada-Mantia (which they're working on with the whole Talos prohibition) and Green-Sap (which is in the territory the conquered, go figure). Those are the only two Towers left, and Green-Sap might already be dying/dead (though the Bosmer would go absolutely apeshit if the Thalmor touched their holy tree city).

never should have come here ________________________

>>384803939
The empire on the other hand is sure to wage war against any "insurgents" and keep taking in those sweet Thalmor bribes*

>>384801641

Since the next TES game will probably be about the Second Great War, Bethesda's canon ending for the Skyrim civil war storyline will most likely be that that the Thalmor razed the region of Skyrim during their conquest of it, which will totally overshadow the outcome of the civil war.

>>384803047
The ADs navy is currently blockading the Imperial Navy in Lake Rumare.
I would be surprised if the AD would be dumb enough to let them free.

>still at least 4 years until we see Thalmor getting BTFO
Todd please

>>384804354
It's confirmed they win.
I'm sorry, the age of men is long gone.

>>384797981
Are you forgetting the 1st era spaceships and star mining?

>>384804306
I think it'd deal with the last Tower(s) and Landfall.

>>384802573
Speaking of Hammerfell, what's the general gist of it ? I already know Skyrim, Morrowind and Cyrodil, are they just sandkangs or something else ?

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>>384787042

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What kind of elves are these? Are they with the Thalmor or did Stormcloaks imported them?

>>384804452
MK said it so it must be true.
Every time the elves act up they get slapped down.

Every
Fucking
Time

This time instead of forcing the leash back on them the Nords should make the Altmer beg for it.

>>384804550
This post sucks. It's just sucking off Tulius or the Emperor, belittling the contribution of the Great War of any province that isn't Cyrdoil, while inflating Ulfrics flaws.

>>384804772
>Every time the elves act up they get slapped down.

Yes, and this is why this time they'll win.
It makes everything more interesting.

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>>384804074
>Cyrodil is a lost cause at this point.

as far as we know Cyrodil is far more prosperous than Skyrim which has two cities being 90% gone thanks to natural disasters(Winterhold and Dawnstar), two cities in the utmost economic decay(Markath and Riften) and two cities full of squalor and abandonment(Morthal and Windhelm)

>>384804529

Hammerfell has kingdoms who don't give a fuck about the war and just mind their business, those that actually fight the AD are nomads, raiders, traders and warbands of Imperial deserters

>>384787721
Dark Elf who hates High Elves more than Kahjitt or Argonians.

>>384804772
Yeah but they often break a tower in the process. We're like two elvish smackdowns away from the universe ending.

>>384804939
Ulfrics flaws were pretty much that though.

>>384787042

It's irrelevant. An independent Skyrim isn't as powerful as you think it is and empire Skyrim is even less useful.

The elves will fuck you regardless.

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>>384804772

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>>384804525
They're probably saving it up for ES VII. ES VI will likely be based around Elswyhr/Valenwood, and deal with the destruction of the Elden Tree. Really, the whole series since Daggerfall has been building up to the opening of the Adamantium Tower.

>>384805151
>mer take control over the world due to their superiority
>men get their tight asses probed for centuries until the gods are so ashamed of them they send someone down there to take care of things on their behalf
So much for "human pride", lmao.

>>384804939
Except everything about it is 100% accurate and backed up by in-game lore. Tullius DID capture Ulfric immediately, and did see through the Thalmor ploy at Helgen that was later confirmed in their diary. Titus DID outmanuever and destroy the entire Dominion army in a battle he personally led. Ulfric DID commit Nord sacrilege in the duel, DID slaughter women and children at Helgen and IS an unwitting Thalmor sleeper agent. All of this is in-game.

>>384805151

The snowniggers of former skyrim beat the shit out of the nords... and they din' dun nothin'

>>384804079
And at the end of the Imperial questline, he talks about finally being able to turn the Empire's attention to the real threat - the looming reopening of conflict with the Thalmor.

>>384805415
>slaughter women and children at Markarth*

>>384805287
> and deal with the destruction of the Elden Tree
Why wouldnt it be already destroyed?
Valenwood is a part of AD, thalmor probably didnt waste time

>>384804452
>>384804772
>>384805151
I don't think they'll stay the Thalmor we know and hate. The Imperials used to be just as bad as the Thalmor at one point but they calmed down over time. I know that reading some of Kirkbride's stuff shows a 5E Thalmor Justiciar risking his life to save a bunch of non-Mer refugees, something that they'd never do in Skyrim's time period.

>>384805332
>be superior
>get conquered by literal slaves and snow monkeys
>your gods make a covenant with your conquerors
>become a province
Merrish master race r-right guys?

>>384804996
Going by how the Thalmor are operating in Skyrim buying influence in Cyrodil has been going on a lot longer.
Cyrodil certainly has those that want to fight but the Thalmor has surrogates bought and paid for whispering "Not yet".

Let the AD swallow the poison pill of Cyrodil. It is time for a new mannish alliance to bring the AD to heel.

>>384805978
>Cyrodil certainly has those that want to fight but the Thalmor has surrogates bought and paid for whispering "Not yet".

So what? they managed to kill the entirety of the blades before the first great war, they had intelligence deep in the Empire and more than a few turncoats and that didn't stop the war from grinding to a standstill anyway. If anything, the empire is more prepared to deal with Thalmor tactics now than before.

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Why are snow elves the best elves. Why did they have to go extinct? They didn't even do anything.

>>384805332
So even the gods hate the mer.
That doesn't bode well.

>>384806226
>they had intelligence deep in the Empire and more than a few turncoats and that didn't stop the war from grinding to a standstill anyway.

If you remember, the AD didn't even plan to take over the Empire in the Great War. Their goal was Hammerfell.

They only changed their plans to go for the Imperial City once they realized how weak the Empire is.

>>384805415
And Tullius is dismissive of Nord Traditions, part of the problems causing the civil war, and goes on to underestimate the strength of Ulfric's force, possibly resulting in the fall of Whiterun. Titus signed a Concordat that tore apart his empire. Using a shout is not sacrilege in a duel, The Forsworn/An Imperial claim Ulfric tortured women to find out where the Forsworn leaders are, which are the definition of a biases source.

>>384806392
>And Tullius is dismissive of Nord Traditions
No shit he's dismissive of retarded nord traditions.
"you killed the king so now you get to be king"
They're literally the niggest.

>>384806226
Yes they have lost the one thing they had...the element of surprise.
If the Empire were to start a war of attrition they could win.
Instead they are giving the AD a chance to rebuild.That is very kind of them.

Did they put a Frenchman in charge of the war?

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>>384788408
Skyrim är hela Norden din plebej. Även Älvorna som lever där.

>>384806494
This, tbqh.
Only the guys hand-picked by the Empire ought to be High King.

>>384806353
>If you remember, the AD didn't even plan to take over the Empire in the Great War. Their goal was Hammerfell.

but that's wrong, they demanded Hammerfell to be handed over otherwise they'd go to war, they were always intending to initiate hostilities by making unreasonable bargains that the empire could never take.

>>384806528

one altmer generation = five human ones

>>384806675
>one altmer generation = five human ones
source

>>384806228
Ask the Dwemer they are the ones that fucked them over.

The Falmer would rather have a Nord as an enemy than a dwemer as a friend.
Mer on Mer crime is a real problem.

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>>384805834
>Thalmor Justiciar risking his life to save a bunch of non-Mer refugees
Wasn't that just the Khajiit? Well, they're supposed to be allies.

>>384806669
What about democracy?

>>384806850
gay

>>384806723
Why would you want to see anons ass.
That is where he got it.

>>384806494
Yeah and they established the first and second human empires under those traditions. Who cares if you're being a nigger if it makes you king of the world?

>>384806675

No, their goal was Hammerfell. Which is why the continued to go for it five years after the Great War ended.

>http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Great_War_(book)
>It appears now that the initial Aldmeri objective was in fact the conquest of Hammerfell, and that the invasion of Cyrodiil was intended only to pin down the Imperial legions while Hammerfell was overrun. However, the surprising initial success of Lord Naarifin's attack led the Thalmor to believe that the Empire was weaker than they had thought. The capture of the Imperial City itself and the complete overthrow of the Empire thus became their primary objective of the next two years.

>>384806932
I didn't know Alessia and Reman were nords.
>literally WE WUZ bullshit

>>384806675
Do you understand what attrition means?

>>384806392
>underestimate the strength of Ulfric's force
Except unless the Dragonborn explicitly intervenes on Ulfric's behalf, the only in-game conclusion of that fight was Tullius BTFOing Ulfric in the beginning.
>Titus signed a Concordat that tore apart his empire.
Except, again, it didn't. It ended the war in an advantageous position for the Empire and fucked the Dominion over. Remember, you're told in-game dozens of times that the Emperor never enforced the Talos ban for years and years, it was Ulfric who caused that to happen.
>Using a shout is not sacrilege in a duel
lol did you even play the game? The Greybeards are beyond explicit. Only the Dragonborn gets to use the Shout as a weapon, it's literally forbidden by the Gods for anyone else to do so.
>the definition of a biases source
And it's never contradicted anywhere by anyone else ever.

>>384801569

Private Shrines turn to abandonnent in the next generation then outright heresy by the mob the one after.

Enjoy living in fear of others you obedient dog.

>>384807048
Alessia was, though.
>Although the origins of the Nedic peoples are hotly debated, the most widely accepted theory is that they came from Atmora

>>384806228

There's plenty of snow elves left. They're just really good at blending in with the scenery, and they're really really shy.

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>>384806850

>not a Republic

>>384806998

and why do you think they wanted Hammerfell? if they got it handed over they'd just use it to invade Cyrodil eventually. They were never going to stop.

>>384807182
>in an advantageous position for the Empire and fucked the Dominion over.

Imagine being this much of a delusional Empirefag.

>having to pay tribute to the dominion, having the blades disbanded, and having hammerfell rebel is "advantageous"

>>384807182
Who cares what the Greybeard think?
They aren't in charge of the voice...that would be Kynareth.

Stormcloak rebellion is like these kekistani retards.

>>384807182
>It ended the war in an advantageous position for the Empire and fucked the Dominion over.

>Imperials have just recaptured the City.
>Fresh soldiers from Skyrim have come south.
>men are still fighting in Hammerfell along with an entire population of angry Redguards.
>High Rock has contributed nothing yet and is completely undamaged.
>Imperials have decimated the Aldmeri armies and only have the Altmer navy and Bosmer and Khajiit land forces left, who will stay in their territories.
They could have gone on to retake Hammerfell.
They could have pushed for peace with absolutely no terms whatsoever.
Instead they accept the White Gold Concordat - Dominion gets to stay in Hammerfell, Thalmor get embassies wherever they want, Talos worship is banned and elven gestapo get free reign throughout any Imperial province.
The Empire is in fact weaker now than it was immediately prior to the Great War.

>>384807237
Coming from Atmora doesn't make them anything like the modern Nords.
All humans but redguards came from Atmora at some point.

Imperials took a legal challenge and made it a war that has killed half of Skyrim because of their fear and greed, 100% knowing that the Dominion will invade again and knowing that they will need Nord soldiers to help repel them.
It was an absolute strategic disaster to even attempt to put down the Stormcloak rebellion. Skyrim should've been granted independence immediately.
Because now when the war happens no Nords will go south to help the Empire - the loyal ones will be trying to cling to survival whilst the pro-Stormcloaks will be taking over.

Facts about the Stormcloaks
>the Stormcloaks do not have the manpower and resources to fight off an army of elves
>the Stormcloaks do not have the magic users to fight off an army of wizards
>Skyrim does not have the political clout to acquire help from other provinces
>Skyrim does not have the internal unity to put up a coherent front against the invading elvish forces
>the Stormcloaks had their teeth kicked in by ONE (1) of the Empire's legions, and needed the Dragonborn to bail them out. The Thalmor killed legions by the dozens.
Fighting for the Stormcloaks is fighting for a Thalmor victory.

>>384807384
Empirefags are like the guy that fell off a skyscraper.
Every floor he passed he could be heard to say "So far so good"

>>384807595
This is why you should support the Stormcloaks, nord sissy.

>>384807595
see
>>384796310


Siding Stormcloaks means the foundation of a new, better, empire

>>384807384
Gold was irrelevant, the Blades were already wiped out by the Dominion, and the Empire while "officially" giving up Hammerfell secretly drove the Dominion out entirely.

In the meantime, both countries are crippled from the war but the humans have a MUCH higher birthrate and the capacity to bounce back incredibly faster for Round 2, and both sides know it.

How has the game been out this many years and you didn't know all this already?

>>384807182
>the only in-game conclusion of that fight was Tullius BTFOing Ulfric in the beginning.
You can't make that conclusion at all. You can do nothing beyond bashing down the barriers and walking into the Cloud district and still win.
>It ended the war in an advantageous position for the Empire
How are two terms that completely piss off your two largest military contributors and allow the Thalmor free reign in your internal affairs while you yourself completely lack any form intelligence an advantageous position? The Emperor publicly denounced Talos and his shrines were torn down. Of course a rebellion happened after that.
>The Greybeards are beyond explicit
It's literally only forbidden by the Greybeards because they subscribe to Jorgen's cult. Nordic Warrior using the shout in war and battle is an older tradition than the Way of the Voice.
>it's never contradicted anywhere
It's literally only mentioned once in that book. You can't talk to anyone anywhere about it. If anything that proves it's just colorful language or Forsworn propaganda.

>>384807875
Ants also have a much higther birthrate than humies, that doesn't make them better.

>>384807875
>the Blades were already wiped out by the Dominion

No, they were not. Only the Blades in Dominion territory were. The Empire signing the treaty is what killed them.

>>384807845
>Siding Stormcloaks means the foundation of a new, better, empire

yes, the Altmer one.

>>384807595
That is more wishful thinking than factual.

>>384807875
Mer don't have a lower birthrate than Men, though.
Altmer just kill off most of their babbys, a practice that can be rectified at any time.

>>384807442
And Kynareth was the one who punished mortals for abusing it, which is what gave rise to Jurgen Windcaller and the Greybeards. She only forced Paarthurnax to teach humanity so they could fight off Alduin, not so Thalmor-puppet failures could murder boy-Kings.

>>384807875
>the Empire while "officially" giving up Hammerfell secretly drove the Dominion out entirely.
No it didn't. That was 100% a Redguard effort. The pair of Legions that stayed in Hammerfell were native Redguards just as pissed at the empire for ditching their province as the civilian population was.

Can I get a quick rundown on what Miraak's master plan was? What was his endgame after getting loose from Herma-mora's clutches? Just ruling the world?

>>384807587

It didn't want independence you retard. The only ones that kicked off this whole rebellion were the Stormcloaks. Elisif is still the Queen of skyrim and a lot of people support her over Ulfric, faggot.

>>384808151
Do you have a single source to back that up?

>>384808142
None of what you wrote is remotely true.

>>384807468
The lore explicitly states that the Empire could NOT continue on in its condition. Play the game before speaking.

>Although victorious, the Imperial armies were in no shape to continue the war. The entire remaining Imperial force was fathered in Cyrodiil, exhausted and decimated by the Battle of the Red Ring. Not a single legion had more than half its soldiers fit for duty. Two legions had been effectively annihilated, not counting the loss of the Eighth during the retreat from the Imperial City the previous year. Titus II knew that there would be no better time to negotiate peace, and late in 4E 175 the Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion signed the White-Gold Concordat, ending the Great War. The terms were harsh, but Titus II believed that it was necessary to secure peace and give the Empire a chance to regain its strength.

>>384808140
>a practice that can be rectified at any time.
Thats not really true with the Thalmor in charge, since they are one of the most hardline bloodline purity fags in the Dominion and currently have a lot of control in the region.

>>384808152
He was an Alduin wannabee.

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>>384808152

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>>384808152

On the surface, it appears to be that way.

Some other observant and lore-informed players have hypothesized that it goes much deeper than that.

>>384808243
The fact that that is exactly what happened according to the lore and there is literally nothing in any source to assume that the Empire was helping Hammerfell beyond some baseless pro-empire fan wank.

Wheres your source that the Empire was helping all along, despite Hammerfell explicitly being pissed at them for NOT helping them?

>>384807347
The Empire and the rest of the kingdoms of Tamriel do their best to crush the idea of Republicanism or Democracy before it spreads. Just look at how they reduced the Republic of Hahd to a footnote in their history books.

>>384808353
>miraak being more powerful then homos mora
How does a mortal surpass a demigod just by absorbing some dragon souls and learning some spells?

can't the dragonborn just kill all thalmor
its not like he isn't a living god now

>>384808526
It wasn't the Empire itself, but the general in charge of Hammerfell that let a ton of volunteers stay there, discharged as "invalids".
An Imperial general, there's also no mention of all of the volunteers being Redguards, despite it making sense.

>>384808301
>didn't play the game
Arngeir explains all of that to you. Go check right now, the dialogue options don't go away unless you kill Paarthurnax.

>>384808824
Why should he be able to, how juiced-up is he lorewise? Isn't the dragonborn just an exceptionally skilled warrior with a mastery of the Thu'um?

>>384808353
>>384808383
So he's trying to build towers that destroy the world so that he can become God and build a new one in its' place?

>>384807997
Dumbest fucking post ITT.

>>384787042
How about a not shitty game?

>>384809174
Jurgen believed the Thu'um was being misused and in true Nordic fashion won the argument and the users of the Voice followed his teaching.
No mention of Kynareth.

Paarth taught men the voice as a way for him to replace Alduin in the long run( Which he will if you let him live)

You are either wrong or are willfully misrepresenting things in game.

>>384810513
Paarthunax's intentions are pure

>>384810098

Basically Alduin the World Eater is a function of Akatosh that wipes the world clean so a new one can being (see: kaplas). Miraak wants to trick reality in into thinking /he/ is the World Eater of Akatosh, supplanting Alduin, and continue being a megalomaniacal little shit.

What's the lore behind the Konahrik mask? It seems so weird, you travel back in time to get it or something? Who did it belong to? Why do dragon priest masks allow timetravel?

>>384810787
He tells you not to trust dragons.

If you let him live he just went balls deep first pump no lube on your silly ass and you turned back to look at him through the pain and shame and say "Thank you".

He was a fine teacher but a better breastplate.

>>384808353
wtf I thought that Skyrim had bad lore

>>384796310
>Dark Elves
Please, Morrowind literally went through an apocalipsys, Vvanderfell exploded and Argonians genocided the south, if you think they would get involved in another war you are retarded

>>384811773
lore and porn mods are the only good things about skyrimjob

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>>384810513
Not Kynareth specifically, but the belief was that the Gods punished them. Kynareth being the God that gave the Voice to mortals is just an obvious next step in logic.

And the fact remains that the Way of the Voice is a Nord tradition going back thousands of years and is explicitly not to be used in battle except for the Dragonborn. Ulfric profaned Nord traditions when he used it to kill the boy-King.

What's so bad about being Hermaeous Mora's servant? Getting eldritch knowledge and shiet sounds like a pretty cushy deal.

>>384811773

it does because none of this is conveyed in an interesting way.

honestly the worst part of skyrim is that your journal is a piece of shit that doesn't contain information to keep track of the context of any quest much less the lore for it.

>>384811994
I think this tradition is dumb. It's high time for the Nords to re-integrate the Thu'um into society.

>>384812070

when he gets bored you also have to be a living fleshlight for all his tentacles

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> play high elf


> no join thalmor
> no wreck shit with golden army of brothers

why did i like this game again?

>>384812592
The same reason as all of us.
The titty mods.

>>384812283
He's not Molag Baal

>>384812162
Last time they did that, they got punished by the Gods and driven out of their lands in Morrowind. This time they might just get driven out of Skyrim and back across the ocean.

>>384812592
>wanting to join the thalmor

How does /v/ feel about Skyrim's soundtrack?

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>>384812718
you are quite right Anon

>>384812886
the non combat music is comfy as fuck

>>384812779
That was just Jurgen's retardation coming to the fore though.

>>384812886
I haven't played in forever, but from what I can remember I vastly preferred Oblivion's tracks. Skyrim had too much of those 'epic' triumphant themes going on. Some nice tracks beyond that, but a step down from TES4 IIRC

>>384811994
The belief the voice should only be used to praise Kynareth is a fairly recent one.
It has long been used on the battle field.

There were colleges of the voice to train Nords in use for war back in the day.

>>384787042
I support the stormcloacks since a independent skyrim would be great after the thalmor destroys the empire without moving a muscle so they can go full force and genocide the snowbacks

I'm confused. Did Kyne breath life into men on the throat of the world, or did they emigrate to Tamriel from Atmora?

Stormcloaks are just proxyjews

>>384787042
always picked stormcloaks simply because they didn't try to execute me at the start of the game

>>384813252
The latter, the first men and the giants both came over to Tamriel from Atmora (on the same ships IIRC)

>>384788408
>Sverigedemokraterna
More like Judedemokraterna

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>>384812592
>not RPing as a deep cover Thalmor agent sent to check up on Elenwen, Ondolemar and Ancano
>not assisting Ondolemar in finding Talos worshipers, avoiding killing any of Elenwen's soldiers during Embassy and punishing Ancano for trying to keep the Eye of Magnus for himself
>not keeping the Civil War going at a perfect stalemate to weaken both Skyrim and the Empire
>not assassinating the Emperor to further weaken the only true threat to the Dominion
>not carefully executing any Talos worshipers you discover in the game starting with Heimskr

You got to make your own fun, anon.

>>384813191
Can't even beat the Redguards how the hell are they going to beat the Nords?
Hell they can't even get to Skyrim to invade it.

>>384795961
Imperial isn't a race. They're much like the west, cucking themselves out of existence by incorporating the rest of the world into themselves, and destroying their entire civilization - rendering it into a beige paste.

Which side lets me have an argonian wife?

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>>384813441

oh shit- but anon.. m . . my social life, i finally had one!

>>384787042

Empire easily.

Ulfric was being manipulated the whole time. If you side with the Stormcloaks you're playing into the filthy elves hands. They want Skyrim to declare independence from the Empire. They want to rip the Empire apart.

An independent Skyrim means the Empire itself is derived of it's most powerful warriors. An independent Skyrim means that Skyrim is derived of the riches of the Empire. Divide and conquer.

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>>384813543
>Imperial isn't a race

They're literally a race.

>>384787042
Empire if you want to be Patrician
Stormcloaks if you want to be Contrarian
Peace Treaty if you want to be Plebian

>>384813176
...? The Way of the Voice is from 1E 700. To put that into perspective, that was 2000 years before the Empire existed and nearly 4000 years before the events of Skyrim.

>>384812592

Yeah, that pissed me off. If you played as any Elf there should have been an option to join them in some capacity. Game seriously felt rushed. So much that could have been put in there.

At least the Dragonborn DLC was fun. Felt way more contained and thought out.

>>384813441
This is how you play open world RPGs. This is why even an abysmal example like Skyrim (at least compared to the company's earlier work) is still a fun game. I can't imagine playing any game really as if it's Mario or Sonic with no imaginative input.

>>384813885
I thought it was after the Battle of Red Mountain.
Has it really been that long since the Dungmer won a fight?

>>384814131
Yep. Battle of Red Mountain was 1E 700. The Way of the Voice coincided with the disappearance of the Dwemer.

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>>384813543

Imperials are basically Nords that stopped fighting and settled down to make make mad dosh and control everyone else.

Basically Jews.

>>384813475
Redguards are superior fighters and the dominion is still recovering from the war, of course elfs wouldn't just attack like nord savages without some thought about the future, once the empire falls due to the inner fighting the dominion can strike full force, the future daughters of skyrim and hammerfell will be slaves for superior mer race

>The phrase "Imperial Race" is a bit of a misnomer. The people of Cyrodiil are divided into two ethno-cultural groups: Nibeneans and Colovians. Both descended from the native Nedic and Cyro-Nordic peoples that were enslaved by the Ayleids, but diverged a bit after consecutive invasions and interactions with other races. Colovian Imperials in Western Cyrodiil are more Nordic, sharing similar beliefs such as a heavy martial and seafaring tradition. Nibeneans have an Akaviri and, to a lesser degree, Elven heritage.

At what point in the early history of Tamriel did the Dragon oppression and Dragon War happen? Was it before or after the Night of Tears? Before Ysgramor's sons made the first nedic dynasty, with Windhelm as its capital? Where were the elves during this dragon dynasty?

>>384814404
So the Jews are White?

>>384807845
i mean, if you want the elves to win, it does

>>384805834
You can hate the imperials all you like, at least they aren't trying to unmake reality.

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>>384813543
>Cyrodiil has no identity!
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>384814542
They don't attack without thinking?
What happened during the Great War then?

>>384794615
Being of the belief that one of your adversaries actions may or may not benefit your agenda does not 1) place said adversary under your control 2) invalidate the cause of said adversary 3) imply that your belief that said adversarys actions are benefiting your cause to turn out to be the case in the end

>>384814769
It's never explicitly stated. Since Alduin was facing Nords, it had to be after Ysgamor came with the Nedes, ergo after the Merethic Era. Now, we know Olaf captured Numinex in 1E 420, but we don't know if Alduin was already gone by then. And by 1E 700, Jurgen was already retiring the Way of the Voice. The construction of Alduin's Wall though, wasn't until 1E 2812 which muddles everything.

Did Jurgen start the Way of the Voice while Alduin was at large? That seems unlikely. My thinking is that it all transpired at the end of the Merethic Period / very early First Era. Probably after the Night of Tears.

>>384815051
Ashkenazis certainly are.
Sephardis are debatable.

>>384813543
autism

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>>384815716
Whatever you say, puppet.

>>384815193
They did back in the the 2nd Era, even creating the very first dragon break, and then there was that time they were worshiping Molag Bal and tried to merge Mundus with Cold Harbor.

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>>384816014

>be a Nord
>return to your ancestral homeland
>mfw the Empire wants to execute you after you crossed the border
I mean the Stormcloaks suck but the Empire is just a whole other league of retardation

>>384801601
yeah, that is from morrowind, and the septim dynasty did fall. but I think this would've been good justification for a skyrim expansion where you become emperor and finally put the knife ears back where they belong

>>384788408
For the even more redpilled man:
Thalmor: Jews
Aldmeri Dominion: jewSA/NATO
Empire: EU
Tullius: Åttaklövern
Stormcloaks: National socialists

>>384816652
Death is too good for elves. They should be tortured until they're all bestial like goblins or Falmer and their oh so precious souls are corrupted that even white soul gems will work on them.

>>384816553
>didn't play the game

That's not exactly what happened. You're crossing the border and happen upon the Imperials capturing Ulfric and the Stormcloaks. You're in the vicinity and for all they know, a Stormcloak spy. You're detained (along with Lokir who happened to be there) until they can question you.

Everyone starts heading back to Solitude where you'll probably be found innocent and sent on your way, Lokir's warrant in Rorikstead will have him hung, and Ulfric will be beheaded for murdering the High King.

Unfortunately, the Thalmor can't let Ulfric be killed or the Civil War will end and the united Skyrim - Empire will turn their gaze toward the unprepared Dominion. So Elenwen and the Thalmor intervene at Helgen, demanding that Ulfric and company be turned over to them as Talos worshipers.

Tullius isn't a fool and knows the Thalmor will "accidentally" lose Ulfric and the war will keep going, so he's forced to execute the sentence then and there. For the good of both Skyrim and the Empire, everyone has to be put to death before the Thalmor find a way to stop it.

You being executed was entirely because the Thalmor were trying to save Ulfric.

>>384812886
I like it quite a lot. I think soundtracks that flow "unnoticable" in the background are underrated.

>>384816896
shezarrine when?