PEE-C MUSTARD RACE

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>>384756440
>doesn't live near a microcenter

>>384756531
Checked and its expensive as fuck. All I wanted were 2 RX 580s

>>384756440
>friends tell me to get into PC gaming with them
>finally give in after about 10-12 months
>save up for my rig
>this shit fucking happens

I have $650 lying around waiting for the prices to go fucking down

>>384756440
The etherium shits dying miners started to sell their cards, should be starting to come down really soon.

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>>384756440
Can I run most games from like 2016 back at 1080p 60fps on high with a 1050ti?

>1080 got a price cut

>everywhere its still 700 usd +

>>384756980
That's sorta good in a way you can increase your budget by saving more money and the next GPU generation is coming very soon.
>>384757276
Yes most games, not all. What CPU have you got?

>>384756440
when the crypto mining meme dies

My friend is selling his GTX 970 for $80, is this a good deal? I know it was the best value to performance card when it was out but how does it stack up now?

>>384756631
what for?

>>384758072
Oh hell yea, just make sure its not broken.

>>384758072
how long was is in use?

>>384758148
aesthetic and performance.

>tfw want a new PC but mid tier graphics cards no longer exist.

>>384758364
just buy something from 3 gens ago

>>384758072
Depends on how often he used it and whether he regularly overcloked it.

>>384758264
>>384758283
I meant 80gbp, so about $100, retarded me forgot conversion rates existed. And he got it at launch I believe
>>384758460
I don't think he ever overclocked it, it was the gigabyte one if that is any better or worse for quality

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>>384756440
>mfw I was able to buy a 1060 for about 300 last week
No 1070 but i can settle for now seeing as i waited over two god damn weeks for these cards thanks to cambodian coin miners

>>384758537
>>And he got it at launch
>>I don't think he ever overclocked
redflags. askhim.

>move to student dorm in 2 months
>don't want to lug my large PC back and forth and look like a autist.

Are MicroATX builds still shit or can I get a good build for $500-600 that'll run most games 1080p 60fps?

you can pick up a 1080 at bestbuy for 599

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>>384758604
>1060 for about 300
Please tell me this is a troll

>>384758742
he had a non-k i5 so I don't think overclocking was his thing

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>>384758860
>implying you cant overclock a locked processor
How smart is your friend exactly? average gaymer or tech freak?

>>384758931
average gaymer, I'll ask him though if he did. If he has should I not buy it and vise versa?

>>384759000
Nice trips, now before you go and be retarded ask him if you can test it on your rig.

>>384757276
You may need to lower settings. also shitty ports might give you trouble but you should be able to scrape by with that.

>>384759106
I don't have a rig anymore

Is overclocking really necessary?

>>384756440
Too many people bought out cards for bitcoin mining. So the prices inflated to crazy levels. It's not worth the price to buy cards right now. Wait until prices normalize or just buy consoles.

AMD vega comes out in a week, thats sure to draw the prices down.

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>On GTX 770
>Was looking to upgrade in around august/september 2016
>1070 looked about right, prices had stabilized
>Got hooked into the Just wait™ Vega spiral always seemed to be 3 months from launch
>Vega turns out to be all hot air
>Benchmarks only confirm it after etherium gouging
I guess i'll wait for volta.

Just wait till the bit coin bubble pops, and people are struggling to sell their cards to recoup their losses. The Market will be so full of used cards it will drop the prices.

...Can't fucking believe my friend took a loan for this shit.

>>384759550
kek. prices won't lower for awhile. Too many bitcoin miners right now.

The card market is going to be even worse in a couple months when bitcoin and eth are breaking ATH

What are the problems bitcoin miners are solving, where does the money come from really?

>>384757670
Intel i5-4670k

>>384759764
>What are the problems bitcoin miners are solving

Nothing. They just solve their own encryption key they create and everyone that helps solve it gets a little bit of coin.

> where does the money come from really?

From idiots that believe it's worth money. Same as Gold. Gold is a useless metal but since the people deem it's worth money, then it's worth money. The people decide it's worth.

>>384759658

your friend sounds entertaining though
like the funny sitcom kind of guy

Ethereum is not going to crash this hard, people. Anyone thinking that is sincerely deluded.This problem is going to continue.

Would I get a 1070 or 1080 for 144fps gaming?

>>384759658
>The Market will be so full of used cards it will drop the prices

I feel bad for the people who buy these used cards that have been abused so much and are on the verge of conking out

>>384760116
>>384760116
1080

>>384759914
What in the fuck, who was the first one that accepted Bitcoin as currency?
How did this retardation get to a point where you can buy drugs with this shit.

>Same as Gold. Gold is a useless metal but since the people deem it's worth money,
You are some kind of a special type of retard though, gold is REALLY fucking useful in electronics and because it is aesthetically pleasing to people, it has an actual intrinsic value.

Gold backed currency hasn't been a thing for a long time now, but it is still genuinely worth money because it is so useful. Same thing with platinum and palladium.

You're thinking of diamonds you fucking moron.

>>384760181
Ok! Im gonna have to wait a while. Or maybe save for the 1180, either way its gonna be paired with a i7 3770 and I wont upgrade for 10 years.

>>384760164
No, you see... You don't want to buy the cards, but because the cards are out there, it will encourage destitude builds, which will drop prices on brand new cards. This is not the first time this has happened.

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>>384756440
Now you guys finally know how Canadians feel when they see a 1060 listed for 350 dollars, 1070 for 450-500 dollars, 1080 for 700-800 dollars, and 1080 Ti reaching the $1000+ point. With $1000 USD you burgerclaps can build a whole goddamn computer.

it's not worth building a gaming pc these days... not when cards have over inflated prices.

>>384760363
you dont need a 1080 ti

NEVER buy high end cards, it's always a mistake from an economic perspective. Always buy a card that's about $300 USD, right now the 1060 6gb is by far the best card for instance.

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>>384760221
Yeah that retard, gold is also one of the best heat reflectors there is. It was used in the McLaren F1 super car

>>384758439
>Have a HD6850
>Checked RX 560
>Stats look almost identical
what the fuck man

>>384760613
will you ever EVER need more than 4gb if you plan on staying 1080p?

>>384760613
60 anything is the one that gets shit on the most. Budget people go for 50 and people who want to get shit done get 70. 60 is for poorfags like me who can only spend 250-300 dollars and the performance is not quite as good as it should be or at least get left behind by game requirements and forced to drop some stuff down.

>>384760764
resolution isn't a function of memory

>>384760848
the performance is FINE a 960 2gb is more than adequate for all current games at 1080

>wannh drop stuff down

dropping down settings from max loses you like 5% visual quality in current games. it doesn't matter towards enjoyment of games whatsoever. 1070 is for 1440p or 144hz in competitive games.

>>384760613
If you want 144fps and max graphics ya do.

Though a 1070 would be fine for 144fps

>>384758823
this is the bullshit you have to deal with. i found a 1060 easily for about 150, one month passes and now its only available for 300+ from private sellers.

>>384760930
I'm playing Doom on high at 1366x768 (windowed fuck you) and it uses way more than 2GB.

One of the few times I will recommend getting a console over a PC

Oh man, I hope my Twin-SLI GTX 770 will last me long enough to get past this madness and stupidity.

I just built a new computer with no graphics cards and just used the old one I had in my old computer and then a second identical card I got from my friend for free. The SLI hasn't been very useful or noticeable, but I don't think I will play a game where I need a better card than 770, I will deal just fine with 60 fps.

>>384758780
youre going to look like an autist if youre lugging around anything that isnt a laptop in a backpack. microatx builds are fine, just find a decent case and gpu.

>>384760705
>RX 560
>190$ in my country
>It was released in the US at 99$

You have got to be fucking kidding me

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If you want to get back at these mining faggots, then dont buy any cards off of ebay. Retailers will be selling them cheap as fuck.

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>>384761257
I could fit a MicroATX in my backpack and take it into my room. I dont mean taking it outside like a laptop, that's autist as fuck, but during vacations and shit I'll bring it home

>>384761005
no, it doesnt, because a 960 2gb maxes doom at 1080 60fps

look on the bright side. Euphoric meme tokens are about to take the plunge into the shitter because everyone tried to get into it all at once so we'll get dirt cheap GPUs on craigslist in time for christmas.

>>384761474
well either way microatx boards can easily handle a mid tier gpu so just grab one of those and make sure you have proper circulation in the smaller case.

>>384759627
I feel your pain. I bought a freesync screen in anticipation of the new amd card. It seems like it's going to be shit and even then the cryptos will buy up all the stock day one. Pc gaming is done for.

>>384759550
Prices of new GPUs are not going to go down any time this year. And the most popular cryptocurrency isn't going to dip below $100 dollars any time soon.

>>384759841
Oh, defiantly man, but I would wait like an extra couple of weeks AMD and Nvidia are releasing their new GPU's.

>>384761825
Yeah I've been looking and they've gotten extremely good, is Ryzen actually good or is it all a meme? I usually only ever use intel but I'm trying to budget this

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>>384761743
>buying used gpus
>especially when they were used for mining
Enjoy your dead card in a few months.

>>384759627
There hasn't been any true confirmation of the performance of RX, that said it's supposed to parallel the 1080. As far as price is concerned AMD will have to make it competitive and so it will be cheaper. That said, waiting for the next console generation to drop is the best move as things stand so long as your card is capable of handling the resolution you want with an adequate framerate.

>>384761986
pc hardware is designed to operate at 100% load for its entire lifetime

yes i will gladly take a 1070 for like 200 bucks that was used for mining

>>384761828
>I bought a freesync screen
My condolences

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>>384761980
Ryzen is Zen 1, which is nehalem equivalent. Zen 2 will be AMD's Sandy Bridge.

>>384756440
I'll sell you my 1080 for 450 bucks.

>>384762128
The fact that they have nothing against the 1080 ti still confuses me. What is their endgame?

>>384761980
i cant tell you from experience but i have heard that the lower tier ryzen cpus are solid. the 1600 honestly doesnt seem much better than the fx8370, but its probably worth it to go to am4. its still pretty cheap at ~200.

>>384762339
Hm I'll have a look at Intel and AMDs budget shit, the i5 7500 looks solid

>>384760221
You say that as if diamonds aren't useful

>>384762181
At least I can use it for my ps4 pro in 4k.
I've given up on high end PC gaming, my older computer can play everything on mid high just fine.

>>384762128
I actually care a bit about power consumption.
Not because of power bills or anything like that because i know it's negligible, it's just my PC doesn't really have the airflow to handle anything hotter than i've got now without getting too loud.
Also i've got a 550watt PSU and i dont know if it has enough amperage to handle a single card with over half its rated capacity.

>>384762450
these diamond chokes on my sapphire nitro are pretty damn useful

>>384761986
>undervolted
>kept thermally stable
>effectively binned twice

Nope, worst case is the fans go, everything else will be fine. And let's not forget the fact that it's only been a couple months. The lifespan of a GPU is not adversely effected by mining. It poses the same level of risk that any used card does. In addition there is a huge incentive to RMA and refresh cards which can resell for higher margins, so you may well be getting cheaper new cards due to a massive supply bubble.

>>384760613
Show me a midrange card that can play heavily modded Skyrim at 3440x1440 100Hz. My Fury X struggles with it at 3840x1050 60Hz.

>>384757276
Yep, some games are not silky smooth 60 fps on ultra settings though, but somewhere between 30-60 for sure. I'm running 1050ti, R5 1600 and 8Gb ram, pretty happy with it

>>384761980
Ryzen is the current best price/ performance for anything except the 7700K, and that is only if you exclusively game.

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>>384758343
>CF or SLI
>I want performance

>>384763079
doesn't have anything to do with cards, has to do with skyrim engine

>>384762224
That's just AMD, they've been the underdog since the Athlon ages. If they introduce the RX at a price point where it's competitive with the 1070 and the 1080 then they'll assimilate a huge portion of marketshare. The 970 is still one of the most popular cards according to Steam Survey, losing out only to older and inferior cards. The 1070 is gaining on it but still has a ways to go, this is likely due to the $79 increase over the 970, though. With the momentum coming from Ryzen and the cheaper chipsets and processors available and the RX coming into the system they could well make a whole AMD system far more justifiable. The R5 1600 OCs will an can parallel Intel's 7800x, and the remainder of their SKUs do pretty well if only marginally worse than their Intel counterparts. They also jump the starting line with genuinely affordable >6 CPUs so their towing the line for the next generation. Furthering this is their intention to move to 7nm sometime next year while Intel is still stuck at 10nm and have been for a whole year now, unable to produce marketable chips. Then factor considerations into the console market which they've dominated since the 360. They're well on the verge of shitting on all the competition again.

>>384758742

Not overclocking is a good thing tard, overclocking shits on a cards shelf life even when done properly

>>384764128
You will replace a card well before it dies from usage even at higher voltages and clocks.

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>>384763373
Im already aware of the compatibility issues with cf. But most games I play will utilize it.

>>384763360
I don't know that I'd argue that the 7700K is a good price/performance piece myself. It's $340 vs. $299 for moar corz. Of course the Ryzen chipset is built to OC by default, and MFGs support it unlike with Intel where boards are able but not necessarily willing to OC, meaning you'll probably spend more money on a motherboard for Intel overclocking than you would for Ryzen OCs, though not necessarily.

>>384764365
It's still better to get a single card.

>>384764365
2 cards=MAX POWER

>>384764128
When it's done properly it actually does not. X-TREME OCs can push components outside of their thermal threshold either excessively cold or hot, but regular air OCs with AIB partner equipment is very meticulous and very deliberate to ensure the cards remain stable and reliable at their peak, meaning they're not pushed to the point of excess. It's also an optimization game, you continuously decrease voltage to optimize thermals.

>>384757276
You can run most games in mid-high settings just fine, and like other anons said it depends how well optimized the games are but it rarely drops below 30fps. I ran DOOM on ultra settings just fine between 40 and 50 fps.

>>384764365
so all you're going to play are a couple AAA games for the entire lifetime of those cards?

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>>384760865
yes it is

you need 4096 * 2160 * 4 = 35 megabytes to just display one frame in 4k

it doesn't sound too bad but if we account for double/triple buffering, deferred rendering, postprocessing, antialiasing etc. so you end with multiple 4K frames being generated in GPU which quickly baloons up and takes up space that could be used for textures and model data

>tfw got a 1080 for 400

>>384762437
I have a 7500 and so far I haven't gotten any problems. Granted, I just build my PC two weeks ago but it's a good processor if you want a solid performance at a budget price and you are not thinking about overclocking.

Still, check your options, there's plenty of videos on youtube where they have charts comparing AMD and Intel.

>>384757276

>1050ti

Why not get an RX 470?

>>384756440
Buy it from australia about 532.5 usd + shipping.

>>384758364
>mid tier graphics cards
What are Quadro P1000 and Radeon Pro WX 4100?
You're a fool if you consider gaming cards over workstation cards in 2017.

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>>384766658
Because they're all sold out and now cost 400+ second-hand because of ETH exploding in price recently.

Wait for Nvidia Volta GTX 2060 GV106 faster than GTX 1070 for less money

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What should I look into upgrading first?
>950
pls no bully I got it literally for free

>>384767020
>You're a fool if you consider gaming cards over workstation cards in 2017.
I actually want to play videogames.

>>384769210
graphics and ram

>>384756440
>got it at 450$ on launch day
I dont get it. Sure the availability was shit and i have to wait weeks to get one, but i doubted it would get cheaper fast since i didnt see next gen pop up quick.

>>384766996
i cant wait for our prices to drop even lower

nobody buttcoin mines here

So should I sell my used 1070 or what what are we talking here, did I miss the boat?

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>>384769654
Are you implying that you can't play video games on a workstation card?

I hope the cryptocurrency bubble bursts and takes all of those miners with it.

Should I replace my 560Ti with a 1050 (Ti) or just wait?

>>384773128
It's not going to burst any time soon. Bitcoin is climbing and taking along other currencies with it.
Don't forget that miners can simply switch to another currency and mine that, repeating the same problem all over again.

>>384756440
DUAL!

>>384758072
>GTX 970 for $80
How do of a friend is he ? That sounds like a wrecked or dead card to me.

>>384758439
>check listings
>it's like old videocards have been scraped from existence in your country and last gen costs exactly the same as newer
one of the few parts I don't like buying second hand either, luckily my 670 from 2012 still runs most things great at 1440p, still wish GPU manufacturers wouldn't just stop selling older cards with every new gen especially now
fuck ethereum, fuck everything about it and fuck every other premined scam ICO built on it