Ascension - Classless server launch

>>384732257
>classless
wait, how does that work?

>>384732257
>item dropped upon death

And dropped.

>>384732378
Custom scripts. There's a bunch of other custom features. You also choose your stats on level up.

>>384732419
You only drop loot if killed by someone within 5 levels of you. So it's not full-on 'get repeatedly murdered by max level shitters soon as you step out' kind of deal.

Then again, I haven't played yet, just going by what the website tells me.

>>384732543
Also looks like only two of the three servers are item dropped upon death. So I take it back.

>>384732257
I played the beta but had not heard anything about it since. I thought they had abandoned the project but apparently not. It was actually really fun, although the fact you could pick anything meant some combinations were INSANELY overpowered so everyone used the exact same setup at max level for PvE. Main enjoyment I'm guessing comes from PvP, it'll be really interesting to see what kinda combos people come up with for it.

>>384732257
what the fuck are those talents or actual class skills? are there still any talents or do you just build your own custom class from a pool of all the class skills?

>>384732834
The latter, but I'm pretty sure you still get talents. No idea how they work, but I know that you can use currency to reset them.

Looks like it could be pretty neat. The idea of being able to fuck around and tweak a class to fit you perfectly seems pretty cool but I feel like it'll just get infested with meta-max-munchkins. Is it just Sargeras that just opened or did all three open just recently?

>>384733020
One released a week ago, it seems, Sargeras released today.

Looks interesting, will try that tonight.

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Are you telling me I can make a Windfury Ret Paladin with Stealth?

>>384733894
Yes. With every stun in the game too.

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>custom servers

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>>384734284
So everyone takes Blink and Divine Shield? Is that it?

PvP is just forcing the other person to blow their anti-stun cooldowns ASAP?

I'm beginning to think PvP must suck on these servers because everyone will run around with OP combos and wreck you if you try to make something fun.

Though I'm tempted to try it and run a Warlock/Priest/Mage healer combo.

Shadowform. Demons. DoTs out the ass. All the protection of playing a mage or disc priest, with warlock flavors and maybe some other misc healing like rejuvenation + renew.

Gameplay is just keeping yourself shielded and hotted while dotting and CCing enemies.

Hell, could you go Holy Paladin/Shockadin with Priest and Mage powers and just be an unkillable healing and CC machine?

>>384734621
combine rmp into one

fuck the lock

>>384732257
So wait can you combine Hunter and Warlock? Or does having a pet out desummon your Warlock summons? I wasn't much into WoW, but I'd give it a shot if I could just be like a summoner with a mob of critters.

>you can make a warrior with self healing

Blizzard should take notes

>>384734908
Stats.
MP is good because they moth use int.
Using an agi class is fucked, then, unless you only go rogue for the CC and survivibility.

Sneak up on someone, garrote them and kidney them into your frost nova + nuke, bubble and heal yourself while alternating between melee CC and mage nukes. Blink and Vanish if things go bad.

>>384732257

>retardo 255 classless private servers

for what purpose, exactly?

who finds this shit fun?

>>384735079
>make a warrior who can cast renew and pw:shield
>instantly be a better paladin than any blizzard has made

This level of customization is fun, but really hard to balance in a multiplayer environment. Using an existing game as a starting point makes it even harder.

I think the only proper way to pull this off is to make talents and abilities so wildly different that it becomes nearly impossible to compare. If you keep everything as it is, you'll find everyone converging to some optimized tank/healer/dps archetype, completely beating the purpose of the game.

>>384732257
>Not a shill
okay
sageru

>>384733894
Yup.

Just logged in and made a char. Servers seem to be running and medium full.

>>384735230
>have 0 int
>your spells heal for nothing
>if you stack int, you deal 0 damage and are basically just a holy paladin

>>384735334
The only way to balance it is how Guild Wars does it

you can only pick 2 classes, and most abilities are either very niche or only useful when combined with something else

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>>384734621
>Hell, could you go Holy Paladin/Shockadin with Priest and Mage powers
>mfw after a decade of waiting I can have a DPS viable shockadin build

>>384735230
Pws prevents you from generating rage through damage taken. Ideally you should do earthshield instead.

>>384732257
Does this have dual spec, or no? I'd really like to make a supreme god healer but I'm afraid it would be a pain in the ass to level up.

>healers with life tap
>warlocks with heals

not broken at all

>>384735465
>ignoring that baseline numbers exist
>ignoring that you can take a small amount of int and enjoy a perma-bandage level of healing as a result
>maybe mix it up and take smite or holy shock so you have a reliable ranged damage option.

>>384735724
PWS also prevents you from dying, but amazing point.
Earth Shield would be loads better. Throw in healing stream totem and anything else neat in the resto tree.

>>384735334
Do none of the "trinity is bad" people ever stop to think why it's so popular or why people always gravitate towards it when given the choice?

>>384735858
>supreme god healer
>it's just priest + chain heal

>>384732419
did you died?

>>384732257
finally someone is doing something interesting with wow private servers
how do resources work anyways, everybody has mana? also, everybody has mana regen? I think it wasn't until cata that they normalized the whole spirit regen among casting classes, especially talking about paladins/shaman here

>>384732809
Of course it'd have to be INSANE something, you can't be seen using non-hyperbole on the internet.

>>384736154
Not like Mana means much when you can get Life Tap on every character.

>>384736021
wouldn't a healer with that warlock spell to turn hp into mana be horribly overpowered?

>>384736246
>infinite mana
what the FUG

>>384735994
They don't.
The trinity is the division of damage, tanking, and healing/support into three niches.
To merge them together, what people WANT to do, is to break the trinity.

>travel form disc priest with life tap and siphon life

lmao

>>384736230
>lifetap
>heal back with a healing spell
that's interesting
I was referring if warriors, hunters and rogues (dk?) also use mana as a resource
can't be arsed to visit the site

>>384736661
It seems everyone has every resource. Think of the blank class as being a druid.

don't try this
stay away
don't make this popular or blizz will notice it

fuck you OP

>>384736775
it's hard to be as big of a loser as gummy

>>384732419
This, it belongs in the trash.

Need more info on the realms.
Are they all FFA?
All high-risk?
Any PvE?

I'd rather goof off and experiment with shit like Titan's Grip Rogue with Windury than go tryhard pvper 24/7 and get punished for experimentation.

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>>384737062

>>384737132
>hunger system

I forgot about this dumb meme. It's the only thing I didn't like.

To be honest it's a good way to bring back theorycrafting. Something that's so dead and far-fetched in current wow

>>384737132
>hunger system
>same-faction pvp
oh god how awful

>>384737132
>hunger system
>ffa PvP when zones aren't designed for it
it'll suck so bad

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>The server has $100 mounts.
>Beta charged $20 and then $60 for instant Level 60 boost
>Originally charged $15 for "closef beta" invite
>Same developers, same owner as Caustic WoW that ran with the money and abandoned the server
>Hires on pedophile staff members that ERP with themselves and post child pornography
>Owner pays his friends that work on the staff team
>Gives special permissions to streamers and high-dollar donators
>Unbans players for under-the-table donations
>Anticheat can only block Gargarin and Hitchhiker hacka, can't detect anything else
>Internally sabatoged staff members that went against the owner
>Server is hosted in France
>No one on their team actually has access to the physical computer, have to operate it remotely, so when it crashes they can't fix it for hours at a time
>Balance team only fixes bugs pertaining to their personal favorite builds
>Bugs that have been in since server beta launch still in because they're too lazy to fix quest mechanics or rare mob spawns

I could go on and on and on with the problems around this server. I'm not even angry, as I really would love to see the server do well, but they're either going to be taken down because the owner pockets so much money or the owner will drive it to the ground himself or run with the cash a second time. Do NOT get involved with this steaming pile of shit.

hmm you are in luck, with gummy gone and seeing how I am bored as fuck right now, Ill give it a shot

>>384738859
>i have to click any food item every hour or so
oh no, how will i cope

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Why not just make your own game?

>>384741756
Maybe they're really into the Warcraft IP?

Why not make a game set in the Warcraft universe? That'd cost a shit ton in assets that they couldn't recoup easily while violating some IP law.

Plays pretty good, low ping.
The stats particularly really make you feel like you're running a custom build.

And the x3 xp on the new server makes the leveling not complete cancer like vanilla.

what's the best caster combination of talent trees?

>>384742362
>And the x3 xp on the new server makes the leveling not complete cancer like vanilla.

I guess thats sargeras you're talking about? Is it the server to go for?
How is the population? I saw a youtubes saying around 800-1000 on a single server at peak but I have my doubts since it is a custom funserver

I heard they kicked the old community manager off the team because they tried to bribe him and he threated the oener. Any legitimacy to that? Other than yhay cool server i guess. Tired of wow private servers though.

>>384742578
what defines a "funserver"?

>>384742362

X3 rate was supposed to be temporary. It was kept vecause their numbers were so low. They so far peak at 300 players at most, 150 average.

>>384742648
not trying to strive for a 1:1 blizzlike server, usually with some more custom things thrown into the mix

>>384742798
well, this is the opposite of a blizzlike server with an entirely different ruleset in place, making it a different game entirely
would say a funserver is just a few small changes

>>384742578

>800-1000

Tommyruin is full of shit. The server had bots on it day 1 to boost numbers, but it peaked at 500 connections. Average daily is 300 at most, 150 on average highest.

>>384742903
Would you say it is high enough to go around (is it active?). It looks legit but I don't want to end up playing on some kids crazy custom server with himself, 4 gms and a handful of level 1-20's

>>384741756
>just make your own mmo

same reason you didnt make your own thread

>>384743147

>4 GMs

It bas one. One GM. The others don't have powers enough to actually do anything because the owner and GM are paranoid other GMs will become more popular and misuse their powers. Also please see >>384740067

>>384743147
It'll die quite quickly because the system is broken and you end up with meta builds you're forced into anyway, at which point you're just playing on a badly scripted ""vanilla"" server (actually 3.3.5) with a wierd ass class

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>>384732257
>>384737132

>classless
>hunger system
>FFA PvP
>all that salt ready to be taken

God fucking hell this is plans for a server shut down, but this is also something I'll enjoy

>>384743502
I can't even log in it, it says error making character.

>>384743648
Tich doesn't exist, so no hunger system (which was total busywork cancer to begin with)

Sarg is populated with people that have 6+ months of experience with the meta builds that will shit on you in 1GCD, and strip you naked. Its shit.

>>384743502
The whole classess thing had my attention, then I remembered in Archeage 90% of the players used the exact same build because of how meta it was.

>have to torrent it

is there a mega i can get instead?

>>384743880
eh, people played shit like Defilers with success

>The server has $100 mounts.
>Beta charged $20 and then $60 for instant Level 60 boost
>Originally charged $15 for "closef beta" invite
>Same developers, same owner as Caustic WoW that ran with the money and abandoned the server
>Hires on pedophile staff members that ERP with themselves and post child pornography
>Owner pays his friends that work on the staff team
>Gives special permissions to streamers and high-dollar donators
>Unbans players for under-the-table donations
>Anticheat can only block Gargarin and Hitchhiker hacka, can't detect anything else
>Internally sabatoged staff members that went against the owner
>Server is hosted in France
>No one on their team actually has access to the physical computer, have to operate it remotely, so when it crashes they can't fix it for hours at a time
>Balance team only fixes bugs pertaining to their personal favorite builds
>Bugs that have been in since server beta launch still in because they're too lazy to fix quest mechanics or rare mob spawns

Do NOT get involved with this steaming pile of shit.

>>384735465
I don't know or care if they ever changed it back, but I know in WotLK ret paladins had a talent to turn either their bonus AP into SP or have a percentage of their STR effect their spells. Enough to get off like three heals and then be gassed.

>>384743959
I mean some games like Payday 2 (does it even count as an MMO?) that did the classess system well.
However going by this thread it's safe to say it went the way of Archeage

>>384732257
I know how this kind of thing works out in practice but I'm busy imagining stupid shit like prot warriors turning into bears.

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>>384732257

>>384744472
I am going to try and make a bogstandard cleric build with ranged holy skills and defensive stuff

what about feral cat druids with cat pet and actual good talents from rogue?

Sent an email to Blizzard with all the links
Expect a C&D soon

>>384744901
If you're rolling on Sarg you're already dead because there are basically no viable caster builds.

>>384744925
They already know. Derek is the samw owner as Awakening and Caustic.

>>384744976
Why not?

>>384744472
Berserker Shapeshifters arent stupid in the slightest let alone in a fantasy world like Warcrafts.

>>384744901
probably still loses to titan's grip arms warriors with armor->attack power talent and the rest of gear, spells and talents raising their armor to insane amounts

>>384745069
but cleric is based on flat % damage reduction memes with instant crit spells and ignite rolling, surely that'll counter it
I actually don't really care, I just want to experience the clusterfuck for what it is and kill some boredom now that gummy is confirmed dead

>>384745048
Well think about this anon. You're a Frost mage in standard WoW, and you see a Warrior. Whats your job to survive this encounter? CC and kite, and that works well. You cleverly use your abilities to ensure they're at arms reach because Warriors have limited closers and ability to break CC.

Now in ascension. You see someone with Melee weapons, but you have no idea what toolkit they've got. You get attacked and try to kite. Jokes on you, they've got a melee build that will crit for 5k and have taken blink.

>>384745214
thing is respecs are only free until you hit level 10, and then they cost money, so you have to farm to be able to toy around with specs. also since it is wrath levels of xp gains without heirlooms and no dungeons because no one is playing, it takes ages to get to the fun talents.

>>384732257

is there a talent calculator for it?

>>384745373
eh coming morn Ill most likely not be playing anymore and go back to diablo 3

>can't have a shield AND spell mastery
oh boy

The class system looks interesting as fuck but the gear dropping upon death can get fucked.

>>384742776
>X3 rate was supposed to be temporary
Why temporary? Why not keep it?

>>384745362
Okay, so get more roots/stuns.

I don't see your problem. Some builds will counter others. People are talking about 'muh meta' shit but nobody's posting anything.

Because it doesn't exist. Someone does some bullshit build, you can do an equally bullshit build to counter it.

>>384745990
The second server doesn't have loot drop, I think.

>>384746339
The problem with stuff being OP is that it becomes meta, so you're expected to use it even if you don't want to.

>>384746339
>Because it doesn't exist. Someone does some bullshit build, you can do an equally bullshit build to counter it.
How are you not describing a meta right now?

>>384746339
>Okay, so get more roots/stuns.

Thats great anon, you roll a caster on Sarg and tell me how that works out for you. Everyone can take Blessing of Freedom. Everyone can take Wind Shear / Silence.

>>384746474
But where there is a meta, there is a counter-meta

>>384745982
There are so many oversights when it comes to synergy between spells.

For example, Defensive stance and Bear form don't synergize at all (going into one takes you out of the other since they are both the same kind of aura effect), so if you want to tank you are more or less required to take bear form.
Like you said spell mastery is worthless if you plan on using a shield, since it only works with staves or off hand spellcaster items.
As you can see here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PWJIfDqAzBs85RoeBRtiFgkT4awnjxpXTQGVbmGmzMg/edit#gid=1722256768
a lot of spells that basically have no reason not to stack/work together simply don't work, and the devs have done nothing about this in like 5 months.
Instead they focus on nerfing abilities that makes the early leveling more convenient, like making the paladin seal and judgement useless and raising the level requirement on stuff like rockbiter weapon.
Also they don't buff shit, the only thing they ever do is nerf, which is bound to make the game gradually more shit

>>384746339
This. Everyone's going 'hahaha life tap PW:S lmao' and stuff.

Go ahead and try it, then some dude going full dps closes the gap and instantly pops your bubble and kills you with the next hit because you're spending all your points on meme shit.

>>384746529
That also is bad, because it means you either build for the meta, or build against the meta, meaning the game is now based on said meta.

>>384746543
jokes on them i'm a plate wearing mage

>>384746529
The current meta is brokenly overpowered melee builds fighting other melee builds and both groups shitting on anyone that was stupid enough to roll a caster.

>>384746660
Jokes on you they still 2 shot you

>>384746660
N-no! You'll get killed because you can't kite!!!

>>384746697
damn it's like i'm really playing Legion

>>384746734
jokes on you i prepared regrowth/rejuv/wildgrowth before the encounter

>>384746781
Well yes, you will. Try actually playing the game for 5 minutes and find that out for yourself.

The "mobile high damage squishy" archetype doesn't exist because everyone can be as mobile as they want while still in full plate, immune to CC and with a windfury weapon.

>>384746917
jokes on you that warrior prepared PoM mass dispel

oh god have i become that guy

build me the strongest healer in existence that won't die ever

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the meta build is to buff your wep with shaman buffs and then use sinister strike only

there, that is literally every single person on the server

>>384746920
Sounds like you need to get good, you're just a salty baby who can't come up with a good build.

>>384747148
But I did come up with a good build.
It was melee. Just like everyone else I played with, and just like everyone that got the highest HKs at the beta ending FFA event.

>>384747146
>Make crazy server that allows you to build the character you want!
>Entire playerbase uses a single meta build because its the most effective
man... I don't want to know how the guy feels after he put in all the work to make it happen

>>384747146
>not dual wielding any weapon, using rockbiter to gain twice the AP, and then using a ranged weapon that somehow gets that AP bonus

>>384732257
>this
>not shilling
Fuck off it's the worst kind of server i've ever seen

Other than the freeforming, why should I play this over Outland/warmane?

>>384747219
>beta

So you played with like, 10 other p2w retards
Gotcha, now I know why you're retarded.

>>384747335
Mmmno, the open beta was free. You're really pushing your retardation now, son.

also
>paying for access to something is P2W

Casterbabbies

>>384747265
*nerfs shaman weapon buff skill*

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>tfw finally playing a dark ranger in wow
even though its a garbage server, thanks for letting me live my dream

>>384747481
based

>>384747453
It is a sign of a bad dev when all they do is nerf, and never buff.

It is supposed to be a funserver, instead of nerfing the actually fun stuff buff the bad stuff to be on that level

will probably start an Ascension general tonight

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Now what are some MUST HAVE talents/spells for a dark ranger build? if I think dark ranger, I think a ranged (bow) shadow magic assassin, so I guess
>Stealth
>Shadowfury
>Curses
>Hunter CC

its 3.3.5 wotlk btw

Anyone got a game with a similar class system?

>>384747890

Fuck off, Zurukiel.

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>>384748145
a-ha! I found something interesting

>>384748223
Doesn't exist.

>>384748448
nightblade/spellsword is a go

>>384748223
>>384748616
I think Path of Exile comes quite close to it

>>384732257
didn't know this released the same day gummy died

>>384748707
Path of Exile skill tree looks insane.

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>>384748448
>>384748145
Think I'll need any of these?

>>384748668
Really wanna stick with the bow shadow dark ranger theme, but might make it possible with high int/spellpower melee attacker.

>>384737132
>hunger sytem
FUCKING SOLD

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started up an alliance chat channel if anyone wants to chat

/join wpsg

Is there a factionless server?

I'm finding this really interesting. If not hilarious. I'll give them credit this is the first time I've seen this kind of modding to the WoW private server scene. Although god speed to you hardcore mother fuckers that are going to try Tich.

>>384749558
going to be on Ascension, but it's still in dev i guess
also a hunger bar

>>384749596
I remember a private server that had a blue magic-like system set up. Shit got really broken really fast because you could learn nearly anything.

>>384749558
There is FFA, meaning you can attack same faction players outside of cities. Factions still exist, though.

so how cucked are casters actually on this server?

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>>384748448
:thinking:

>>384750348
Just play it and find out.

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>mfw arcane spec with omen of clarity

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hmm so this is my dark ranger build, perhaps I am not being niche enough, well not like I'll ever hit 70 or 80 or whatever

Should I focus on stacking flat % shadow damage w/ dots, or converting int into attackpower with int increasing talents

>>384752283
is there some kind of calculator or something?

give me some meme cancer build i can do im not creative at all

>>384753381
a rogue who uses warlock spells

Can you be an undead paladin.

Muh holy skeletons.

>>384750348
Pretty uncucked at the later levels
Early game, if a meelee gets the drop on you, goodnight

>>384753314

looks like he's using this

http://project-ascension.com/forum/index.php?/topic/490-ascension-talent-calculator-20-faqs/

>>384735621
Anon, there was a DPS viable shockadin in Wrath. It was a PvP god. Pick up art of war and a fast one handed spell power weapon. Free flash of lights every crit. That was all the healing you needed. the rest of the damage was in holy shock and judgement. It was so nice.

>>384753381
Titan Grip warrior who uses the talent that converts armor into attack power and all of the +armor talents in the game

So any PvE action in tvis, or is it just fags with metabuilds bullying eachother? I'm a PvE shitter and I want that class system in pve now

>>384759240
It's still vanilla WoW, I mean... People will still raid, craft and shit.

>>384759316
Wrath of the Lich King is not vanilla WoW

This type of class mod with unlimited crafting aka all gear can be crafted, all the current content, all raids and end game dungeons scaled to be relevant for end-game would make wow goat immediately...

>>384763041
unlimited multiclassing is not a good system. it might seem fun at first, but then you realize that there are ~3 optimal builds for PvE and PvP and nothing else can compare.

>>384763478
Well you could restrict the classes you can pick from to like three or so

>>384732419
>>384732543
>>384734621

>Not playing the No-Risk server

Top fucking kek

>>384759493
It's not Wrath. No Draenei/Belves

>>384763478
The problem is with the abilities, not the structure itself.

>>384763478
You can restrict any class system to "These are the best and everything else is subpar", regardless of how free they are.

I think i remember this server. I seen the idea of a RP-Heavy, custom class, item drop server tossed around over a year ago, around the time of nostalrius death.

If thats the thing, i assume there is some love and effort put on by the devs, but i doubt players will stick to it.

>>384764060
It's wrath patch with TBC/Wrath content disabled.

>>384764060

What kind of bullshit is that? If youre doing a server based on wrath why drop races?

>>384737132
aaand interest killed

>>384764368
They're doing progression up to wrath.

>>384764368
Usually easier to code from a newer expansion and cut the non vanilla stuff than do this kind of stuff from vanilla scratch.

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>>384764232
>RP heavy

If only. I'd play nothing else. It's all autists powergaming to hell and back.

A server like that would be so much fun if players actually made characters with themes instead of trying to be OP.

>>384765513

This. Rp in this kinda setting would be based.

>>384764510
Why cut anything in the first place? Is it just retarded vanillafag pandering?

>>384766010
So you don't overwhelm yourself with a workload you can't handle.