FFXII ZODIAC AGE THREAD

you have 2 big dungeons and 2 small dungeons left

>>384703657
60% or so

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65-70%

Once you are done with Archades, the rest of the game is pretty much two long and tedious dungeons.

>>384703786
>>384703801
Neat, thank you

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Give me job combinations that don't suck!

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>>384703876
>open area map for the great crystal in game
>fuck you, here's a literal picture of a crystal

should i buy zodiac or just emulate the ps2 version, whats the differences?

>>384704479
Zodiac age has 2 jobs per character, pretty sure you can copy the turbo mode in emulation

>>384704479
PS2 version looks way better and has better gameplay that casuals can't get into.

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>>384704639
>PS2 version looks way better

>>384704479
graphical improvements
faster load times
map overlay
reorchestrated OST which is great
two jobs per character instead of one
2x and 4x speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCZ2OGOBdLQ

vid shows the graphical differences between Zodiac Age, PS2, and PS2 emulated

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>>384704639
>PS2 version looks way better

>>384704634
>>384704994
>>384704639
thanks for the info anons

>>384704897
>>384705082
How's it like being blind?

>>384704994
Sounds like they made downgraded the game for casuals. kys.

>>384705321
>they made downgraded the game for casuals
How is any of that a downgrade? You don't have to select a second job if you feel it makes the game too easy.

WHERE THE FUCK IS HASTE AAAAAAA

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>>384704479
>>384705310
Pros
>character shadows
>remastered OST
>alleged CD quality original OST
>no spell queue

Cons:
>no Sky Pirate's Den
>No esper summoning screen
>no save screen
>inferior graphics(bloom and blur and more blur)
>dramatically easier gameplay(4x speed and dual jobs)
>no new content
>cutscene letterbox
>cropped FMVs
>ugly font
>voices haven't been improved
>new and improved input lag

Stick to emulation or wait for the PC version. The PS4 port is trash.

>>384704994
>faster load times
Not compared to emulation.
>map overlay
The game always had this.
>reorchestrated OST which is great
Not really no.
>two jobs per character instead of one
Activate/deactivate Weak-Mode (when Weak-Mode is activated, no EXP are gained for defeating foes). Now for FFXII too!
Activate all Gambits.
Activate all Teleport destinations.
Activate Espers on the license board.
Party editor. You can add/remove/replace characters in your party. A total of 29 characters including guests and espers are available for selection.
Complete License Board editor. You can activate or deactivate any particular license of any job.
Gambit editor. Edit Gambits for characters including Guests and Espers. Also, it comes with extra Gambits and Actions that are unavailable through the game.
Ability editor. You can activate any Magicks or Technicks.
Map editor. Ivalice maps and candles.
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-FFXII-FFXII-IZJS-Editor-rich-SaveGame-Memory-Editor-for-FF-XII-IZJS
>2x and 4x speed
Emulation goes even faster than 4x.

>>384705604
Viera village in a chest.

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>>384705082
>>384704897
It does.

>>384703657
About 3/4 of the way through the main game but you still have a metric fuckton of optional side bosses that can really fuck you up if you're not ready.

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>>384705321
*casts blindna*
(no effect)

Heh looks like I'm seeing juuust fine, kid. Now why don't you fuck off back to redddit to shitpost your garbage opinions, huh?

>>384703657
>People prefer the PS2 version.
Ya, I really enjoyed those awful fucking jaggy textures, and the weird ghosting effect because it was in that era of "wow this is cool lets all make ghosty looking slow mo effects on everything."

Even in your screen shots, you can see that stupid doubling effect in every shot because it was in EVERY SHOT! Its gone in the PS4 version.

>I love sounding like we recorded this in a toilet.

>>384705632
>calls 4x speed 'dramatically easier gameplay' for some dumb reason
>brags about emulation going even FASTER than 4x

Imagine being this retarded

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>>384705956
>Its gone in the PS4 version.
Replaced by even worse effects.
>I love sounding like we recorded this in a toilet.
Nothing has changed.
>I really enjoyed those awful fucking jaggy textures
Nothing has changed.

>>384706005
Both are facts, what's your point? I like how this is your only nitpick with my post.

>>384705685
you saint
cuchulainn your ass is mine

>>384706151
I'm playing on ps4 normal and it looks much much better than both right and left of your pic.

Nice cherry pick, poorfag

>>384706476
Prove it anon.

>>384706151
Stop posting these cherry picked screenshots and watch the actual video. The remaster looks way better in motion.

>>384706151
You're so fucking retarded, jesus christ. Good luck in this world.

>>384706151
t. poorfag who can't afford a ps4 and has to justify himself
lol sad

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>>384706476
>>384706151
>>384705730
>>384705632
>there are people who will defend this

>>384706151
Yeah because having to react 4 times faster to everything makes the game easier.

It's there to reduce tedium you mong, it doesn't make it easier

>>384706583
I did watch it and it looks worse.

>>384706591
>>384706615
>reeeeeeeeeeee
Niggers I swear.

>>384706692
>combat built around gambits
>implying you have to react

>>384706728
Then how the fuck would x4 make it easier anyway?

And it's not even true, you can't let the game play itself idiot, you have to make decisions on the fly during difficult fights

>>384706976
>difficult fights
lol

Cure below 80% and auto attack gambits clear 90% of the game, at 4x it happens in seconds. Wow so hard.

>>384707112
So you're saying the game is too easy regardless and 4x is bad because you should have to wait 4 times longer for the game to literally play itself.

You're clearly overleveled or you'd run of of mp with those shitty gambit anyway

>>384706728
>it looks worse
The only argument you could make is against the DOF/blur. Character models, reflections, shadows, textures, and the UI are all undeniably better in the remaster.

>>384707252
>ether when MP is low
Making an easier game easier is good to you, not to normal people.

>>384707318
The models are the same, "reflections" are just bloom on metallic surfaces(rare too), shadows are an improvement, textures are the same or ugly as hell, and the UI is ugly as sin.

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>mfw finally reached the chops minigame that everyone warned me about

why are these threads always full of ps2 emulator faggots who shit on the remaster? fuck off.

>>384707707
Maybe because the remaster is shit.

Why are there people mad about information?

>>384707707
Game is fantastic but nu-/v/ needs something to complain about

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>>384707458
>The models are the same

And you think the low-res emulated PS2 UI looks better? You're beyond deluded.

>>384707796
>Maybe because the remaster is shit.
Your heavily-biased, cherry-picked examples and opinions are not information.

>>384707854
>textures being different means the models are too
Full retard.
>And you think the low-res emulated PS2 UI looks better?
It does. The mobile font looks fucking awful.

>>384708063
Keep crying that you have no arguments.
>cherry-picked

>>384708127
>Full retard.
>looks fucking awful
Nice argument you have there. Very compelling and insightful. I suggest you take your own advice.

>>384708127
>textures being different
But you just said textures were the same

>>384708327
>>384708387
(You).

These threads are usually pretty chill and has people discussing the game but this one is not starting off very well.

Has anyone had any luck spawning Bombshell? He spawned once for me and I need to chain him to get a Yagyu Darkblade but I re-entered the zone like 20 times and he never respawned but is supposed to have a 20% chance to spawn on entry. I remember doing this in IZJS version.

>>384708628
Might help to run two zones away once and then going back.

>>384709870

That is to respawn regular mobs, this is a rare spawn that has different conditions. If I moved 2 screens away, the scary ass dragon things would respawn too and break my chain if I happened to kill one while fighting the bombshell.

>>384709870
>>384709991

Nvm, I am dumb. Once it dies, it has to follow regular mob spawn rules so I do need to zone 2 screens away.

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>>384704994

>>384710408
Not post PCSX2's footage which is more crisp and higher resolution. And THIS is cherry picked because AO shows up there more than almost anywhere else.

>>384710408
Got a webm of the armour comparison between PCSX2 and PS4?

>>384711265
The one with Basch?

I've been full autistic from the dual class system, tell me whatchu think

Vaan - Foebreaker Archer
Basch - Uhlan Redmage
Balthier - Bushi Timemage
Ashe - BLM Machinist
Penelo - WHM Shikari
Fraan - Monk Knight

>>384711505
The part at about 7:24 of the comparison video set during the intro.

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>>384711756

>>384711736
>WHM Shikari

for what purpose?

>>384710613
Post a PCSX2 video of the Famfrit fight.
I dare you.

>>384711674
>>384712089
>>384712340
Aight, so these images I keep seeing of the PS4 version looking a bit "worse" than the emulated PS2 version is really just some autist cherrypicking images where the depth of field looks a bit shit during cutscenes.

>>384712238
Penelo's only good attack animation is with ninja blades. Im not happy with it yet.

>>384712089
>PCSX2 with jaggies
>implying that blurry shit looks beetter than pcsx2 at 4k

>>384712383
They aren't cherry picked though, the comparisons are no different just because it's in motion, you can see the dof in the videos and it looks horrible.

>>384712238
best tank in the game iirc

>>384712383
The autist isn't posting pics of PCSX2's fucked up shadow effects that happen in almost every Esper fight.
They're especially horrific in the Famfrit battle.

PCSX2 isn't that accurate. There's menu slowdown in FF12, and it still has attack queuing (high level spells will wait in turn to execute, making mages worthless, while normal attacks don't need to buffer).

The PS4 version is night and day.
It's like saying the PS2 version of Odin Sphere is better than the PS4 version (well, not that extreme).

>>384712238
Shields and main gauche. Gauche gives 50 fucking evasion alone. Your white mage will be invincible.

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>>384712817
pic related.

If your MSAA is set over 0, this shit happens ALL THE TIME during cut scenes.

>>384712817
Why are you lying about emulation? I've never heard of any of these issues.

IZJS made mages useless by removing the damage cap.

>>384713253
>MSAA
Oh I see you're just literally retarded.

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>>384713334
PCSX2 isn't infallible.
Even with the best recommended settings, you get weird shit like textures turning blue.

>>384713253
http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-FFXII-Shadow-Glitches-during-Cutscenes-Partial-Solution
>2011
>MSAA

Imagine being so assblasted you have to grasp this hard.

>>384713587
>http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-FFXII-Graphic-Glitch-Help-with-settings
You're literally pathetic. These problems are even resolved in the obscure threads.

why is the audio shit?

>>384713769
>Partial-Solution
>disable MSAA to make the game look worse and it MIGHT fix it
>maybe

oi, I'm laffin

Also, PCSX2 doesn't fix gameplay issues like skill buffering, doesn't let you pick 2 jobs, doesn't make espers fun or useful, doesn't fix ever character model having glaucoma, doesn't fix Trial Mode saves erasing main-game saves, doesn't add FFwd from the start, doesn't add autosaves, doesn't increase the resolution of the videos, doesn't fix the compressed audio, doesn't fix the glitch with Dyce's character model, doesn't add 7.1 surround support, doesn't at multi-language support, doesn't add new BGMs, doesn't improve load times, doesn't add the overlay map, doesn't improve the bestiary, and still forces the player to see the intro videos on startup.

FF12 on PS2 is deprecated.

The remaster could run in 480p and have audio like a 2004 Linkin Park youtube video and it would still be better than emulating the IZJE because of the dual-class system

Fully 1/3 of the classes in IZJE were fucking worthless without dual-class because of needing both a tank and healer; sure take a fucking Time Mage or Machinist and make all content take three times as long because you cut your damage in half for some buffs

>>384714670
>there's only one type of AA
All of those points you brought up have already been addressed, you're just sperging at this point.

>>384715139
>All of those points you brought up have already been addressed

No they haven't.
You never addressed the PS2 version being less fun, having less content, having bugs, and deleting saves if you wanted to do trial mode.

DEPRECATED.

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>just reach archades
>have to gather info in the slums
>reach the city proper
>suddenly everyone starts talking about Pinewood and Sandalwood chops
>memories of of playing this part 10 years ago come flooding back
God fucking dammit.
I DESPISE this part, this is the low point of the entire game.

Can you change Esper's gambits? I feel like I should be able to since they're directly controllable now anyways but I don't see any option to do this.

>>384715342
They have, read the thread autistic kid. You're either lying or repeating your autistic self.

>>384714817
IZJS also has dual(or more) classes thanks to the save editor.

>>384715635
You sure?

"I'M CAPTAIN BASCH OF DALMASCA!"

I just got Larsa for the second time in Jahara, what's the optimal order for sidequests? I have 3 Seitengrats btw, but there's still shit that I can't do even though it is a killer, I can barely get above lvl 20 in the Trials.

How do I grind for top-tier equipment here? What are the optimal gambits?

>>384707796
Name a better remaster

The improved graphics, quality of life (reduced tedium, not difficulty), and the fact that you dont have to give up half the jobs anymore make this a vastly improved game over the original.

Saying its a "bad" remaster compared to an emulated version you can run / mod / edit however you want is stupid and obvious. PC will always be better than console, but that doesnt make the console version "bad" unless you have literally autistic standards.

If you want the best, polished, official release of the game, get the ps4 version. If you want to customize a decade old game to exactly how you want to play it, emulate it.

>>384716090
Deflect more.

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>>384703657
>everyone seemed to like Ashe/Fran in the past
>was one of the very few Penelofags
>now see her everywhere in FFXII threads

>>384716036
That's short and simple but just slightly annoying enough to become a meme
Gethering chops for these uppity faggots in Archades isnt short and simple, its long boring and drags on for way too long and doesnt have meme potential like "DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE'S LIES!"

>>384716451
Cant fucking stand her hunchback or shitty shoulder blade wings

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I can't even remember what Ondore lied about.

>>384716247
>Not an argument

>>384716727
Ahe killing herself

>>384716727
oh and Basche's execution

>>384716080
I was going to give you advice before you said you had 3 pleb bows.

Might as well just follow a walkthrough at that point

>>384703657
at what point should I stop and go back to finish all the side stuff?

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>>384706692

>4 times faster
>It's there to reduce tedium

Talk about tacit admission that 80% of the gameplay is wandering through oversized empty maps that feel even more drawn out due to the slow combat.

>>384716982
That's nothing wrong with that

>>384716982
They wouldn't be empty if chests had a larger chance for good shit instead of always being a 99% chance for a pathetic amount of gil.

>>384716982
Well that's true but i still enjoy it regardless. The 4x is mainly for side stuff anyway

>>384708454
(You)
>>384708454

Now eat your shit sandmich, bitch

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>>384716451
I enjoyed all three.

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>>384716982
If we're going to go that route, then I'd tell you that Unlimited Saga showed that any and all exploration in a 3d world is useless filler and that you could have everything be done via menus, so the argument is pointless anyway

>>384716982
The real issue here is the lack of a "sprint" button in the original and they were too lazy to make sprint animations in either re-release.

Combat could use a 1.5x-2x speed boost but 4x wasnt necessary (nor is it bad though)

>>384716982
People have been saying that since the game came out on PS2

>>384717684
2x speed boost should have been the new default speed imo

>Come into the thread
>only two images worth touching my peen over

What the fuck

>>384717864
I have no idea how I ever finished the original at normal speed on ps2 back in the days desu

>>384717925
Good, fuck waifushit. Even the autistic emulation debates are better

>>384716516

took me 3 minutes

WHERE IS THE BAKAMY MERCHANT

>>384716952
Oh come on, it's just a failsafe.

Be a pal.

>>384718184
Hey, fuck you guy. FFXII was made for butts, legs, and cute bellys.

>>384718204
That's two minutes too long

>>384718390
Hurry up and post some and inspire the rest of us.

>>384718390
Fuck off

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>>384717527

>all exploration in a 3d world is useless filler and that you could have everything be done via menus

Past FFs have had fantastic dungeons. Stuff like the trials in FFX made interesting use of 3D spaces and verticality and others have had at least unique mechanics or interactive elements (like exploring the Shinra offices in FF7 or the menu-deletion in FF8's final dungeon).

FF12 is nothing but endless empty MMO corridors that are stretched and boring at best and complete clusterfuck at worse (pic related). In fact, FF14, an actual MMO, has more interesting and interactive dungeon/raid design.

>>384717706

>People have been saying that since the game came out on PS2

And people have been denying/defending it for just as long. But Square realized just how bad it was and introduced this mechanic to make the game playable, blowing out the defenders' arguments.

I still really like the game a lot and I'm usually one of the defenders, but this is the game's biggest core problem and shouldn't be denied/

>>384718615
>And people have been denying/defending it for just as long
But people also pretend attack nearest and cure hp<50% isn't enough to clear the vast majority of the game

>>384717925
Which two?

>>384718390
You have a dedicated board for that shit though >>>/h/ so fuck off

>>384719052


>>384707570
>>384715635

>>384719219
>>384719052
This

>>384719024
>But people also pretend attack nearest and cure hp<50% isn't enough to clear the vast majority of the game
>literally every Final Fantasy

I still love them all though, even fuck-yourself-for-stats II

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>>384718595

>>384703786
and the whole trial mode + newgame+ in weak mode.

>>384705730
huh?

Maybe on a PS2 playing on a tube TV.

But I tried to play last year my old version on my PS3 and it sucked.

>>384720837
Smell of carrots, sweat and perfume respectively.

Prove me wrong

>>384721710
Emulation.

>>384713587
Eh the only I issue i had with PCSX2 was the menu slowdowns. If I hd a PS4 I'd probably get the remaster though, since I never used offensive mages because of the effect queueing.

>>384716727
>you now remember all the ondoreposting way back when

>>384722148
What menu slowdowns?

>>384721768
Just how many times are you going to appear in these threads to talk about how their asses smell?

>>384723209
t-this is my first time...there's someone else?

Also I'm OP kek

Its my first time playing and I went looking through gamefaqs to see what jobs they recommended and ended up with:

Fran - White Mage/Machinist
Basch - Knight/Samurai
Ashe - Red Mage/Archer
Penelo - Black Mage/Monk
Vaan - Uhlan/Time Mage
Balthier - Foebreaker/Shikari

Any good?

Where the fuck do I buy dispel. I've just reached the felwood and am told it's in rabanstre but it is not

>>384723680
Dispel is in a treasure chest in Raithwall.

>>384703657
Is it on PC?

>>384724734
Oh god really? Is it nowhere else?

>>384724891
Yes, some magic and technicks can only be found in chests.

>>384725052
Well guess I'm going tomb raiding again, thanks anon!

>>384723373
>Literally copied the job sticky
>A-any good?
kys

Who here has exploited RNG to get 6x Seitengrat and then immensely regretted it because how quickly the game falls apart?

>>384726140
>Get model-less, license-less, overpowered developer weapon that had literal lottery tier odds of ever being found naturally
>Do it 5 more times
>It breaks the game
Fuck, really? I never would have guessed

>>384704479
if you emulate make sure you get the zjs version and patch it with the english version so you can have the best experience.

>>384705632
What a comprehensive post.

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>>384703657
Master race port when

>>384727812
except over half of it is flat out wrong or severely exaggerated.

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SQUARE ENIX MAKE A FUCKING GOOD FINAL FANTASY GAME LIKE FFXII AGAIN OR I'M GONNA FUCKING LOSE IT. FFXIII AND FFXV WERE SO FUCKING SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEE

This was the only Final Fantasy game I played but never completed.

Played through it a decade ago and after getting pretty far in the game I just started running past enemies and trying to beat bosses by using that attack where you keep press certain buttons for more damage. I think it was a limit break or something similar. It's been over a decade since I played so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

Eventually I reached a point where I was too underleveled and just gave up. Maybe I should try playing it again. I probably won't though.

>>384726140
>>384726454
It breaks about 70% of the game, you still need to think and sort out your gambits if you're doing some of the later elite hunts, especially trial mode.

Good luck going all-out 4x speed autoattacking with Seitengrats and getting above stage 50 in Trial Mode. They're a godsend for farming and getting shit done quickly, but they don't make the whole game a cakewalk, just a good chunk of it.

>>384726140
I got one so I can try to have 1 of every item eventually. I'll use it on Yiazmat if it's the highest dps I can get on someone but I think ultra buffed dark damage will probably out dps it.

>>384716980

Ideally you should be doing it as it becomes available while it's still a challenge.

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Want to make my party pic related

KNI/BUS
RBM/ARC
BRK/MCH

Can a Knight and RBM bring enough sustain or am I going to want a WHM?

>>384729708
You want a whm for endgame stuff. I mean, I'm sure you can do without one but it's really, really useful to have one.

>>384730525
Knight can do the whitemages job end game, but then they wont be doing the knights job either.