Did he really do anything wrong?

It depends.
FUCK RPG CODEX!

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yes.

>Loyal and faithful companion that was recently turned vampire doing everything he needed without question because the recently sired was too ignorant and new to understand the powers that play.

>the player Literally holds all humanity, and masquerade all to himself without breaking it once, singlehandedly takes out the last of a long line of vampire hunters after his boss for decades.

>finds the nosferatu and sets them free and keeps them safe and stops all the kaiju from doing some pretty low level bull shit.

"Durr Hurr, better betray the player for no reason by throwing him to the dogs."

Lacroix was a fag.

>>384701264
Fuck that faggot. He is a stain on the ventrue name. Betraying just for the sake of betraying.
He deserved what he got.

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Anyone with the name Croix can do nothing wrong.

>>384702307
>He is a stain on the ventrue name
Ventrue is just one big stain of a clan though?

>>384702551
Only thing keeping the Camarilla together to be honest.

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>>384701264
Stupid motherfucker, all he had to do was change the way he presented himself and his ideology.

Nothing worse than a hamfisted politician.

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>>384702601
>implying that's a good thing
cammies leave now

>>384701264
In the world of darkness, no.

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>>384702789
>anarchist savages think their opinion matters
Go back to juggling dumpsters

>already itching to replay vtmb but it's full on summer now
>gotta wait for rainy fall nights to set the comfy mood

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>>384701264
He was doomed the moment he accepted the title of Prince.

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>>384702601
yes neonate, remember to protect your local chantry from those mean old antihermetic tzimisce.

>>384701264
Employing a literal negro Tzimisce as his sheriff

>>384703662
SABBAT SYMPATHIZER DETECTED

>>384704118
the sabbat aren't that bad desu

they were formed at the same time as the camarilla

>>384704745
>the sabbat aren't that bad
They're the literal dindus of the vampire world. Prove me wrong.
>they were formed at the same time as the camarilla
How is that a good defense?

>>384704745

Not upholding the masquerade is bad for everyone. If too much attention is made, eventually someone on the outside will find out about the truth.

Do we really need to have again the number of vampire hunts we had in the middle ages?

>>384704745
Are any of the antitribu not completely psychotic and evil?
Hell toreadors in the sabbat are basically dark eldar. At least most of the camarilla aren't full on deviants.

>>384705026
hunters*

>>384705026
It wouldn't matter if you were allowed to sire whoever you want. There'd be more vampires than kine.

>>384705346
Then the cainites would starve out and everybody would either have the final death or take a permanent nap.
Then what?

>>384705496
Well, you can farm humans like we farm cattle.

>>384705605
also you could just farm cattle since they also have blood

>>384701264
He only did one thing wrong

he opened it

>>384705672
Weeeell. I guess that would fuck over Ventrue ... dont they have feeding restrictions? Dunno if a cow is posh enough for their taste.

>>384705803
and nothing of value was lost

>>384701264
>Did he really do anything wrong?
He actually believed he could diablerize an ancient and get away with it.

>>384705672

rly makes u think

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>>384705346
>There'd be more vampires than kine
LOL

>>384705346
>It wouldn't matter if you were allowed to sire whoever you want. There'd be more vampires than kine.
Probably not, siring a vampire requires a significant investiture of your personal power. It's not something that should be done lightly, at least not by a vampire that values their self-preservation.

>>384705940
Hey dont slander the poor guy. He wanted to discuss problems facing the vampires of today and get few pointers how to solve them. Drinking blood was not on the agenda.

Also wouldnt the ancient just eat anyone nearby anyway, if woken up?

>>384705971

This.

Did no one play a game during the medieval portion of V:tM? When humans knew about Vampires, they were getting fucked up on the absolute daily. There were far more faithful and True Faith npc's that would just teleport out of danger or toss your ass into a fire.

Is the ocean hotel the only spooky thing in the game?

>>384701264
>Did he really do anything wrong?
Yes, he was a fuck boi who wheeled and dealed his way into power just to pull a cataclysmic "Fuck you got mine".

>>384703326
>fake vampires too retarted to keep their magic thinking they're hot shit

>>384706329
There's at least two spookier bits later on, Ocean Hotel is babby tier

>>384706147
There's only two VTM video games and only the much less popular one had a dark ages section.

>>384706329
No, the dino is.

>>384706389
fuck, I don't think I'll be able to handle it

>>384706389
Which ones do you mean? Grouts crib and the sewers?

>>384706329
If you put it in third person and RUN instead of crouch-walking slowly along it loses the spookyness. That being said, they bring the spooky back later on with the Tzimice creatures in Hollywood.

>>384702551
t.Brujah

>>384706653
I was thinking Andrei's house (snuff film quest in general really) and the werewolf,
even though it's more terror than "spooky"
Forgot about Grout's mansion but yeah that too

>>384706694
>If you put it in third person and RUN instead of crouch-walking slowly along it loses the spookyness.
You can also skip the entire basement section by getting close enough to the breaking stairs trigger to activate it then using the "go faster by running forward and strafing into a wall at the same time" thing to outrun the spot that pulls you into it.

>>384707103
Or just play a Malkavian. For us mad people, shit like that is tuesday.

You gotta roleplay the state of mind too. But really, just mute sound- most of the spooky factor gone.

>>384706329

It's suppose to be spooky?

Honestly I was more aroused thanks to my ghost fetish.

>>384707045
Legit had a nightmare about the werewolf chase about a week ago for some odd reason. Haven't played the game in like a year.

So I haven't played Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines in years. I'm also really fucking drunk. However, the game's fucking great. I remember it kind of falling apart gameplay wise in Hollywood, something about fireaxes and guns becoming really bad( keep in mind i'm just typing garbage) and that the ending's really cool but not very satisfying, so to speak. What I wanted to ask the people in the thread was what purpose were there for vampire clans and the hierarchy in game beyond class or race and the basic knowledge of big dude with bigger magic. I know that White Wolf owns the setting, or I think they do, and it was a really popular pen and paper set of games for a time or it wouldn't have had games made of it. Like I remember basic details, like gangrel being batshit, nosferatu being fuckugly, bruxa being the angey types, and then Ventrue being snobs and so on. Something about ancient dracula races bwing super grwat, which would bring armageddon to the world if awoken, etcetera. If someone could help me out i'd appreciate it. It's a cool game and I can't wait to get out of this desert and get a proper computer again.

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>>384703326

>>384706329
I thought the horror movie mansion where you first found Andrei with the two legged bastards a bit creepy at times.

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>>384707736
>what purpose were there for vampire clans and the hierarchy in game beyond class or race and the basic knowledge of big dude with bigger magic.
it's a cammie spook

>>384707542
I'm the drunk guy but yeah, it was. The game was actually pretty ahead of it's time in a ton of ways but god damn does Troika, or ex-Troika? have bad fucking habits when it comes to game design. I dunno if they EVER released a finished project. Sure there's the Valve business but still, there are companies around the world that shit gold on shoe string budgets. They constantly didn't understand milestones.

essential mods?

>>384701264
He wanted to open it.

>>384707736
>what purpose were there for vampire clans and the hierarchy in game beyond class or race and the basic knowledge of big dude with bigger magic
vampire generations mean if you make a vampire they're weaker than you and so on. different clans have their powers and shit from the ones who started their clans who are the closest vamps to the first one.

>>384707949
Is that DiMaggio's character? I don't recall. But seriously, does it have any value in the games? I know the clans, especially Malk which I misnamed as Gangrel for some reason get a ton of conversation options but what do the rest get? Malkavian dialogue is actually fucking crazy detailed.

>>384707665
Things like that shit me up good.
I just hid in one spot until the time elapsed then ran like shit

>>384708064
Unofficial patch, simply because it won't run without it.

>>384708064
Clan Quest is a good one to have.

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>>384708064
Unofficial patch.

>>384708239
Well. Most clans differ in the combination of disciplines you get. As you mentioned, Malkavians are worth a playthrough just for the voices and the dialogue you get. Nosferatu are worth playing if you like spelunking.

Other than that, its mostly for roleplaying.

>>384708239
Each clan has a different ancestor they descend from and each have unique flaws and quirks that affect their character and abilities.
The generation thing is just for lore and plot and is a big part of the universe, it has no bearing on gameplay though.

>>384708231
Well yeah, there's some vampire council that has or had representatives from all the clans except some bad one that was outcast for fuck knows what and they're all scared of Dracula Jesus but what do the clans represent in game? Like i'm pretty sure you mever meet the Malk leader, unless that's cover-art woman and her sister. I think you meet the Nosferatu or Gangrel or whatever leader but they suck ass and have little dialogue. Ventrue is Lacroix if I recall and they all drink wine from goblets and shit roses but they're all local leaders, not the big ups SECRET VAMPIRE BASE types. Except maybe DiMaggio?

>>384708382
woah I've been playing the vanilla from gog for a bit, but does the graphics improve as much as this screenshot shows?

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>>384708294
>>384708302
>>384708382

thanks guys, I appreciate it

>>384708546
You absolutely meet Grout. He is just a tad indisposed and crispy.

Are Antediluvians just edgier Pillar Men?

I wanna do a Toreador firearm build.
What stats should I go for /v/?

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>>384708603
I'm using reshade.

>>384708436
Don't Nosferatu start in the sewers or something? Or was that a mod? I know the NPCs that aren't meaningful and even some that are get mad spooked over your hideous mug. What's Gangrel? Is that a clan?
>>384708507
Well I know they all have certain clan +/-1s based on whichever you pick but from what I remember only Malkavians really got to have a COOL roleplay experience. Maybe Nosferatu, too?

>>384701264
HE. TRIED. TO. KILL. US!

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Best clan coming through

>>384708632
Who? Don't spoil nothing for new types because I have finished the game a few times but remember SFA. Is he Nosferatu or Gangrel? Why the fuck do I have Gangrel stick in my head? Are they even in the game? Is it even a clan? Also nightclub girl and her uppity sister are great and while there are better examples they really make a fantastic contribution to a dirty little gem of a game. Also some red headed hooker and Chinese peoplr.

>>384709067
Drink some water and lie down man

what's more fun in VtMB?
Melee or guns?

>>384709115
No thanks. I really wanna talk about this game. I'm still mad that there's no Deadlands game because I can't be assed to find like minded nerds here or even back home.

>>384709031
Why did they even choose to become vampires? Mages are way more powerful than kindred. It doesn't make any sense.

>>384701264
LaCroix is literally the best written character in Bloodlines and more than any other vampire, played his clan and the jihad perfect. His only real failure was that the game deus ex machina'd him by having literally Caine intervene to fuck him over.

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>>384709067
You wouldnt know him.

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>>384709463
>Mages are way more powerful than kindred.
lolno

>>384709437
Whatever you like. Guns are great midway but fall short late game until you get the Desert Eagle ( I think) but melee gets fucking silly mid to late game. I could be full of shit and almost certainly am but at the end of the day you have to choose which bit you wanna kill things with. The game isn't really hard, just janky and much like proper RPGs I think you can best the entire game using damn near whatever you want. Melee is easier, if I remember correctly.

>>384709437
Melee; especially with high strength. You can knock people across the room. Unfortunately melee is useless late game.

>>384709656
I've played the game once already, I just don't remember what I played.
Does the GOG version have the Unnoficial Patch built in?

>>384709656
guns are fine if u using a clan with auspex in fact late game they kill everything faster if you know how to aim.

>>384701264
Yes.
Trying to get rid of you instead of getting on your good side.
You were certainly useful. A leader should be able to see this. Nines realised it, Max Strauss realised this, why didn't LaCroix?

>>384709582
What ends up making Hunters so much stronger than everything except Demons?

>>384709569
Is he a comic book character? I recall seeing a mark next to his name on comic books but I thought he was just a self insert using a clan as his name.

>>384709463
Well if I were a grizzled wizzled i'd want to have eternal life at the cost of the sun I likely so hate. I'm in no way familiar with the proper PnP RPG but typically eternal life in most games is a big fucking deal, even for magicians/witches/whatever. I'd probably want to practice my craft for a billion years too, if I could.

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>>384703326
>bowing to Shai'Hulud

>>384701264
He uses you as a pawn sending you on suicide missions that the average newborn vampire would've gotten slaughtered the whole time then tries to kill you when you find out his real plans.

>tfw no vampire hunter RPG

>>384710008
Hunters are specifically designed to kill the other groups (except Mortals). Mid to late game, their powers are insane. Like they can just cut Mages off from magic entirely. Stop Werewolves from turning into Werewolves, stop Vampires from using Disciplines, etc. They can shoot fire like a D&D Mage, reattach their limbs, magically find anyone's chantry / lair / haven, etc. They can identify anyone of those creatures without them having done anything to identify themselves or realize that they're at risk from the Hunter at all.

Frankly, a Hunter can job a Demon in a straight fight too. The only reason the Demon stays just a bit further is the fact that it's the only splat where dying = not the end of the character. He just picks a new body and keeps going. Eventually, the Demon'll get the drop on the Hunter after enough times dying to him to be prepared.

>>384710008
True faith is OP as fuck

>>384710008
I dunno for sure but Hunters are probably just monster/vampire hunters. As such, you have a described list on how to kill the things you hunt. A typical human you can kill in a billion ways but a vampire, werewolf or demon? Those require precision. As you eliminate potential options you can simply become better at the options that remain. If I had to be staked to die and that was the only way I guarantee you some son of a bitch is going to find a way to stake me from orbit, because that's easy, clean and definitely messless ( for them). A specialist is always the winner in these settings, typically.

>>384710417
>True Faith =/= Hunter
Any mortal can technically hunt any splat and call themselves a hunter, and that includes ones with True Faith. But in this case, the chart refers to the actual line of books called Hunter: The Reckoning, where they have powers and abilities that make the True Faith ability from earlier VtM books look garbage.

>>384710416
Not only did I respond later than you but your response was much more accurate, probably. Since you use the term splat i'm guessing you actually play or have played the proper games. Can you tell me what Gangrel is? Can you speak nerd to my lonely ass?

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>>384710416
Hunter the Reckoning is the surest way to get any Mages in a cross-venue game to have a conniption fit and quit playing for good.

>what do you mean i'm cut off from vulgar AND coincidental magic!?

>>384710585
Are you talking about NWOD with the shit like the guy who can wave the camera and scream "You are being recorded!" in order to counter supernatural powers?

Also, vidya wise wasn't there a Vampire game that got canned at most 4 years back? I wonder how that would've gone.

>>384710790
Sure. Gangrel are one of the thirteen major Vampire clans. They were formerly of the Camarilla, but by the End Nights, they left to be independent over a dispute with the rest of the Camarilla on whether the Antediluvians were real or not.

The way their clan flaw is supposed to work is that every time they give into the Beast and frenzy, they acquire a new animalistic trait. Now, they're not supposed to be all from the same animal (wolf ears, wolf eyes, wolf snout, wolf tail, etc.) but more chimerical to where older Gangrel look like a hodgepodge of dozens of creatures (chicken talons, lion mane, crocodile tail, bat ears, etc.)

>>384710830
No, I'm talking oWoD. Hunter the Reckoning was one of the last line of books that White Wolf released, along with Demon the Fallen and Orpheus. All the True Faith stuff and Society of Leopold still technically exists, but the term "Hunter" now refers to something entirely different.

>>384710804
I really want to play a Mozgus-level hunter at some point

>>384711319
I think I remember that being the case. Like there was( and please correct me) Tremere, Malkavian, Nosferatu, Bruxa(e), Ventrue, and that's as far as I can get. The Camarilla are like the vampire cabal,if I remember, and there big deal is being absolutely fucking terrified of Dracula Jesus coming back to slap sense into them. Also potentially ending the world but small potatoes compared to power struggles. I'm not much of a vampire or werewolf guy but the Gothic aesthetic from Castlevania and so on has permanently sold me on cursed beings being fantastic interior and exterior decorators. Was glasses man a mage? I think that would make him Tremere. Also, and this is definitely for those teegee folks more than vidya but could you give me some advice on how to deal with a serious campaign, non-serious party?

How can venture control the world when the technocracy exists?

>>384708763
link to the mod?

>>384712194
https://reshade.me/

Because they shit roses, duh. Are you some filthy Malk?

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Why are the malks such edgelords? Were the born crazy before they turned?

Beat this for the first time yesterday. So was Gehenna actually happening or what?

Did Jack literally do it for the lols?

>>384712281
appreciate it, any other mods you're using in that pic?

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>>384712590
Only unofficial patch.

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>>384712001
The Clans are:
CAMARILLA
Ventrue: Aristocratic leaders
Tremere: Untrusted mages
Nosferatu: Deformed information brokers
Malkavians: Insane prophets
Brujah: Rebellious idealists
Tremere: Artistic dilettantes

SABBAT
Tzimisce: Cthulhian Slav-Lords
Lasombra: Edgy Spanish Shadowmasters

INDEPENDENT
Gangrel: Loner shapeshifters
Giovanni: Incestuous mafia necromancers
Assamite: Arabic Vampire Assassins
Followers of Set: Egyptian Vice dealers
Ravnos: Gypsy Illusionists

The Camarilla, by and large don't believe in "Dracula Jesus", though the Sabbat and many Anarchs and Independents do. The Camarilla is more concerned with humanity. After the Inquisition nearly wiped out all of Vampire kind some centuries back, the Camarilla institution was formed with laws to hide Vampires from mortals so that there was no great uprising to threaten them all again. It turns out that for all their power, when humanity rallies together, the Vampires got their asses handed to them.

The glasses guy, assuming you meant pic related, was actually a Gangrel scholar. Note the slitted cat eyes and him turning into a wolf earlier in the game.

>>384712395
Nah, being turned into a Malkavian is what makes you crazy. It's a clan trait

>>384712180
All splats kind acknowledge but ultimately disregard the other splats, so when you play Vampire its the camarilla, in Mage its the technocrats
In the lore overall technocrats are aware of everyone else but only intervene in extreme circumstances

>>384712403
I can't spoiler for shit since spoilering on mobile is hell but sorta, and yes. Try and keep in mind that the classic theory is that taxis are bad when you wear sunglasses. Also why wear sunglasses when you drive a taxi?

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>>384712403
>Gehenna actually happening or what?

Antediluvians dont exist!

>>384712675
thanks mang

>>384712403
Jack is an ex-pirate anarchist, so anything that speeds up Gehenna is good in his book
The loading screens that talk about mass amounts of Caitiff? He is one of those embracing them

>>384712967
Fuck off faggot. Hope you enjoyed opening it.

>>384712403
1. Not yet, but soon.
2. Jack was just the creator's masturbatory fanfiction. He was literally only capable of pulling off what he did because the story wanted him to, otherwise his stats were too low.

>discovers boat before anyone, figures out what it is, infiltrates and manipulates Camarilla, Kuei-Jin, and elder Vampires
>Security 0
>Academics 0
>Subterfuge 0
>Investigation 0
>Intelligence 2

But hey, he has Strength 5, Potence 5, Brawl 5 so why not?

>>384712720
I'm gonna answer you in an awkward wsy but hey. Firstly, why are Tremere listed twice? Second, I was pretty sure I read something about all the vampire elders being fucking spooked about Vampire Jesus coming back and potentially stopping them from playing with mortals. Thirdly, the glasses guy I was mentioning is bald and you go to his mansion for missions. And yeah, making a vampiric sect of orderlies makes sense. Has something to do with procreating being REALLY FUCKING AWKWARD compared to humanity and genetic issues involving table legs to the heart.

>>384713226
But Jacks' been around long before the game.

>>384713226
>security 0
>Academics 0
>Subterfuge 0
>Investigation 0
>Intelligence 2

I'd expect nothing less from a fucking brujah.

Also is VV best girl? Because she sure as fuck seems to be.

How does the camarilla exist when everyone except ventrue hate it??

>>384713226
>>384713431
I think he meant the creator of the Vampire setting. I could be wrong. Also try to spoiler big details. I know the game's old but c'mon, the journey is cool. Opening it uourself is the coolest.

>>384713431
That was my point. Jack in the official lore can't do what Jack in the game did. The actual Jack, while he does like being a trickster, is 99% bruiser. He's not smart or skilled enough to do what he did in the game.

It's like making a Game of Thrones game and then having the twist be that the Mountain was the genius who played everyone at the end.

>>384713226
All he did was kill all the people on the boat and replace what was in the box.
Everything after that was factions being paranoid and power hungry.

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>>384713803
you should put on a jacket

>>384713705
What're you talking about? All the Camarilla clans love it, with the kind of but not really exception of the Brujah. And they don't specifically hate the Camarilla, they just don't like the Ventrue and like rebelling. Even when you're in a city with a Brujah prince the Brujah are still bitching about "the man" there too.

>>384712720
Why the fuck could Beckett turn into a wolf and have cool looking eyes and yet I couldn't? Is it because I'm still a neonate?

>>384713226
Jack first appears in Clanbook Brujah over 10 years before VTMB was released
Also he has Wits 4 which is good enough never mind his good social stats

>>384704983
>They're the literal dindus of the vampire world. Prove me wrong.

anarchs are the dindus of the vampire world.
sabbat is the islam of the vampire world.

>>384713369
>Firstly, why are Tremere listed twice?
the second tremere should say toreador instead, he probably didn't realize he wrote tremere twice

>>384713705
Why do taxes exist when everyone but the government hates them? If you don't try to impose order on your society they do what they like. The Camarilla, and by the way i'm assuredly full of shit, exists to force order on a society of super humans who drink the blood of humans to exist. If some SOB goes and chomps on some tweeny shit in the middle of a McDonald's there are going to be a lot of questions and even worse; a lot of punishment from humans. If you had to make your prey complacent you'd want rules too.

>>384713945
In tabletop animal features are a side effect of frenzy for Gangrel

>>384709582
>>384710416
So I've read stuff about Archmages and they have crazy conceptual powers, so why are they still 2nd lowest tier for lategame?

>>384713739
>no academics to know what the sarcophagus was
>no investigation to even research it and find out
>no intelligence or security to have been able to cover his tracks and not get filmed
>no subterfuge to not tip off to anyone what he'd done

If it'd been an actual game session, he'd never have known about it. And even if he had, he'd be all over the tapes and everyone would've known it was him. And if miraculously somehow he hadn't, every time the subject came up he'd immediately out himself.

>>384713803
SUSAN

>>384714036
Okay, so are Toreadors thefancy ballroom type or is that the Ventrue? I'm pretty sure I remember them being in the game.

>>384714231
toreador are artfags and ventrue are businessy board room types

>>384713803
Sure thing, Susan

>>384714157
and the MC wouldn't have killed elder vampires by the dozen after a few months of being a vampire

>>384714103
Just in the tabletop? I never actually frenzied in my game.

>>384714425
He could if Caine was using bullshit plot device powers to beef him up.

>>384714332
Makes sense with naming conventions. Dunno if i've ever read or heard of a business oriented vampire that isn't secretly SATAN but hey. Man did they ever do a good job making the clans unique. I almost think that Gangrel were in the game and got penalties for ruining the masquerade but got big damage boosts for it. Maybe that was the Bruja. Bruxa? God I love RPGs.

>>384714492
Yes, I imagine it would be an excess effort to do it in a video game

>>384714671
gangrel get +5 to physical stats during frenzy i think.

>>384714520
and Caine can't use the same powers to help Jack get Gehenna going?

>>384714149
Because those powers never really come into play. 99% of the game is done on the fly, particularly in games with cross-venue settings. Most of what a Mage can do on the fly is little coincidental spells which when stacked up against the full strength of a Changeling's Arts or a Vampire's Disciplines, for example. And even if the Mage decided to blow himself up by spamming Vulgar magic, it really only brings him up to where everyone else was. Changelings, Werewolves, Vampires, Hunters, Demons? Every one of those venues have the ability to throw fireballs and it's no big deal. A Mage doing likewise would fuck himself with paradox.

It's why no Mage ever wins a fight. But they all sit out of character talking about never occurring hypothetical like
>if i knew that fight was coming two months in advance and i had access to my sanctum to spam rituals for the entire time in preparation for the fight and the ST ruling the scene allows me to questionably interpret some grey rules in my favor and-

>>384714684
Oh, cool then. Would have been cool if I could have eyes similar to Beckett's.

>>384714862
What about technocrats? I heard power armor wasn't considered vulgar as of 2012 or something I think

>>384714871
Its random what features you get also
Animal eyes can easily be covered but there is always a risk of insect feelers growing out of your forehead or replacing your nose with a snout

>>384705605
>implying hippywerewolves would let you
>implying neet mages won't fuck you over
>implying the fallen won't get mad for stealing their shit

>>384714848
It's kind of implied that he did since they both show up in that ending scene.

>>384714967
If you're tech aren't subtle, you can get the fuck out.

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>>384715062
Of fucking course it is.

>>384714967
Once you start looking at the villain splats, it's all just a toss-up of insanity. Technocrats, Baali, Spectres, Earthbound, etc. The upper limits of that stuff usually include "I destroy the world / universe."

>>384715208
>be technocracy
>prop up a guy to be the next albert einstein
>make him slowly introduce magic under the guise of science
>have other mages working as scientists confirm his findings
>no more paradox

why aren't they doing this

>>384715208
I dunno much, I just read somewhere they can use power armor now and be fine. Alternatively they can just throw a terminator at them

Eyy everyone, I've heard a lot about vtmb, got it, just barely started playing it, kinda working on other games first, but I gotta say these threads make me hella hyped to play, and the game hasn't let down yet.

It's tough to try to avoid spoilers, and I know it's on me for entering this thread, but please consider putting major spoilers on spoiler tags.

I know there's something I'll choose to open or not and that's major but somehow I don't know what's inside, and it's a helluva incentive to progress.

Started with toraeador, mostly persuasion with a side of guns since I've been told I can't just speech through everything, and I already know I want to play a brujah, nosferatu and malkavian already.

>>384715080
>be normal human in World of Darkness
>turns out you're a kinfolk so Werewolves rape you
>your childhood friend's soul got replaced with a Changeling and periodically he comes to Ravage you, stealing your creativity and lifeforce
>been a blood doll for a Vampire for years, but can't remember it happening besides hazy late night hook ups and some anemia
>made a Faustian deal with a guy in a bar to try and lower the frequency of werewolf rapes, and now your literal Faith in God is being sucked out of you

Such is life for a Mortal.

This is my favorite game but I don't get how people can replay it so much. After my first playthrough I essentially knew the story/interactions by heart. Whenever I get nostalgia and decide to play it through again I end up making a character and getting bored in Santa Monica.

>>384715578
Pump up celerity discipline a bit and guns will be ez mode. The early game guns aren't great, but they're serviceable, once you get to Hollywood you'll start getting better hardware (and more combat).

>>384715670
the magic of old rpgs is replaying with different builds and seeing all the different dialogue you can get.

>>384715412
They are, that's one of the reasons they were one of the antagonists. It's also one of the reasons the Tremere fucked up and turned into vampires(they were losing their magical imortality so they turned into vampirism).

>>384701264
A lot.

If you are impressed by his caricature machiavelli act than you as well deserve the rope or are probably female.

>>384715670
Beating it multiple ways.
>Need to get into Gallery Noir for Jeanette
>officer in the way
>Ventrue can Dominate past
>Malkavian can Dementate past
>social characters can seduce or persuade past
>Nosferatu can stealth past to back entrance
>bruisers can break steel bars in parking garage to get to back entrance

And so on. The first 75% of the game has like eight ways to complete every quest.

>>384715464
They can, but the Technocracy is all about, super metaphysical magic-tech.

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>>384715263
tranny, right?

>>384715650
not being a mortal so smug and so far up your own ass you think you can rip apart a werewolf, turns out you can.

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>>384708621
Are the Underworld movies actually good? Haven't seen one in ages. I just remember the blue hybrid man being kinda dumb

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and what was the sheriff supposed to be?

>>384715412
There is a lot of interference, Mage houses fuck over each other regularly and there are also benign horrors that are opposed to such things, also eco-terrorist werewolves.

>>384715670
Do a malkavian run, and the nosferatu, both of which have a lot of unique interactions, the former especially with all the PC dialogue lines replaced.. Seriously, I thought the same as you, but there came a point that I started replaying it several times, and finding new interactions and sometimes quests that I had not done in my first playthrough. If you really need the excuse, use the plus version of the unofficial patch or clan quest mod.

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>>384716513
dunno

>>384716647
Its good, if your a fan of Vampire vs werewolf.

>>384716513
>I kill them and eat them
Liberal fantasies are always so cute

>>384716734
A Nagloper. The African version of Tzimisce, one of the Laibon legacies. A pretty powerful one as well, probably the lowest confirmed generation we see in the game (7th gen).

>>384716647
all hybrids are mary sues just like assassin mommy vamp
all movies are at least 7/10s if you're into the genre though, they're quite blade-tier

>>384715412
i know they're not that side but they also get the point of the masquerade
unlike you

>>384716647
A lot of it is just action.

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>>384716647
Underworld: 8/10
Underworld Evolution: 7/10
Underworld: Rise of the lycans (prequel): 7/10
Underworld Awakening: 6/10
Underworld blood wars: haven't seen yet

they aren't great but they have good moments. and kate is hot as fuck in that tight leather suit

>>384716961
>Comparing underworld to blade
What the fuck

>>384708763
what effects

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>>384716919
player character is 8th generation
most of the others are 6th or 7th generation i gues

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If we're talking about vampire movies pic related is required viewing, especially for a VTMB thread since most of it is in a California beach town.

>>384717202
they're not at all similar other than the vampires
but they're both only serious enough to have a main plot monster fight movies that are very consistent on characters, powers, story
i'm not really comparing, just saying your opinion on blade will probably be similar to underworld
did you like one series and hate the other?

also can you think of a better movie for comparison

>>384716647
The first one is pretty good. The other ones range from "ehh" to "ehhhhhhhhh"

>>384717503
Van Helsing is more close to Underworld than Blade.

>>384717380
Outside of the player sire, it's mostly speculation. That's why I said confirmed, while the others might had been lower generation there isn't anything on the game that indicates it.

>>384710165
What the fuck

>>384717640
ooooh fuck you're right i completely forgot van helsing existed, haven't watched it in years
now i know what i'm watching today thanks anon
shit it even has hugh jackman how could i

>>384710213
Because had nines not spoken up at the player's sire's execution, the player would also have been executed. He wanted to kill you from the moment you were embraced, why wouldn't he send you on suicide missions?

>>384717772
The player character gets stronger as the game goes on. LaCroix can dominate you early on and at the end of the game he can't, also Andrei says your blood is stronger the second time you meet him. There's never any explanation given for it either.

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>>384717383
I recommend Near Dark, Interview With The Vampire and Let The Right One In

Anne Rice (Interview With The Vampire) is the grandmother of world of darkness


Also, Damsel is the best girl

>>384717910
you're even still a neonate at the end of the game
powerlevels aren't just which gen you're from
of course after days n weeks after becoming a vamp you grow stronger, imagine if you started the game maxed

>>384717973
the original dracula is also decent if we're digging around

Underworld is great campy action. Bad acting, good effects, bad story. But man they're fun. VTMB or VTM? are more along the lines of Anne Rice or Dracula. Maybe Blade if you take the games seriously. Take a chance to watch them. I think all told all five or six of them are like 10-12 hours of bad attempts at plot and some fun action. Best viewed when under the influence.

>>384717776
That's the struggle between Saulot, Tzimisce and Tremere himself over the body of Tremere.
Saulot wins in the end.
Also there's one Gehenna scenario where they try to blood bond humanity and it backfires and makes the whole clan slaves to Tzimicse.
>>384717910
The domination part doesn't means he lowered his generation just that he got stronger and a bit older. Again, for the most part is speculation. Not that I disagree with you but there is little concrete evidence.

>>384717910

They never explained it because nobody can. It's one of the reasons nWoD would make a better video game, you don't have to pull stuff out of your ass to explain game mechanics. World sucks in nWoD though, at least most of it, compared to oWoD.

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>>384705971

Void Engineers a best.

>>384718140
I would disagree on the dominate, the PC is completely immune to LaCroix at that point so it suggests they have a lower gen
If they were higher gen there should be some willpower or effort involved

>>384718101
>Best viewed when under the influence.
They're all good enough to enjoy sober. VtMB malkavian playthrough is best done only playing exclusively whilst drunk.

>>384717973
>Interview With The Vampire
What about the sequel? I think it's a sequel anyway.

>>384706329
You're playing as a vampire anon, you are the spooky.

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>>384717973

>>384718296
>World sucks in nWoD though
That's exactly why it wouldn't make a good game. Half of this thread has been people talking about the setting more than the game itself.

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>>384718527
>no Tom Cruise as Lestat
Even Anne Rice said the sequel is shit

>>384701264
Yes and no. But mostly yes.
He was placed in an unwinnable situation by default by the clan elders, he REALLY wasn't supposed to be the leader of the city branch, compared to most of the rest of the major players he was the youngest by far.

THAT said however, he fucked up. Majorly. Trying to get the coffin in the first place screwed him over with EVERYONE. The killing of your sire was easily seen as a power play by everyone and definitely won him no allies and earned him the ire of them all.
Hell, by the end of it, you are more capable of running everything, provided you don't open it.

>>384718673
well can you possibly find any aspect done better than the setting? bloodlines is considered so good because of the immersion, mostly

>>384718823
That's why I don't think nWoD wouldn't be good for a game.

>>384718527

Eh. It's ok. Ditches most of what made the first one so good in favor of pop culture bullshit.

>>384718673

It'd make a much better game mechanically wise. And it's not all bad, the covenants are great and much better than the oWoD organizations. You can have a meaningful RPG progression in nWoD whereas in oWoD you can't, everything is dictated from the start, the end is known.

>>384718713
Tom Cruise was great in that
Who knew he'd be the best at portraying a crazy asshole?

>>384716863
It's criticizing them, it's not fan service

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>still no VtM game that lets me play as a Ravnos, Salubri, Tzimisce or Lasombra in the Dark Ages

>>384719035
Both VTM games took a ton of liberties adapting the tabletop mechanics, Redemption doesn't even use dots. And there's nothing forcing you to use Gehenna.

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>>384715263

That's from Requiem though, a Daeva.

>>384719164
Nigga I just want to play a giovanni and make a skele-bro army.

>>384719164
>tfw you'll never play an Obertus Tzimisce scholar in Constantinople, surviving sieges and recording history

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>>384719083
Did you know that Bale based Patrick Bateman on Tom Cruise? And Lestat is my favorite Cruise portrayal

https://youtu.be/dDgBmR7tQ3M

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Hello.

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Camarilla pride worldwide

>>384701264
Good intentions of bringing order and stability to the city I guess, but he thought the only way to do it was to become extremely powerful and destroy everyone else. Strauss I think says that was his form of the beast taking over, driving him crazy wanting the power from the vampire in the coffin. He should've formed an alliance with the Anarchs early on for mutual protection against the Kuei-jin and Sabbat, and given them a bit of autonomy.

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>>384719548

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How and when did he plant the c4 in the sarcophagus?

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>>384719708
that dildo logo on his shirt

>>384708603
GoG has the unofficial patch by default

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>>384719849
probaly on the boat or in the museum

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>>384719927

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>>384720032
oh

>>384719849
Right after he killed everyone aboard the elizabeth dane

>>384715829
>Pump up celerity discipline
I hear this a lot, but
>All but the first level of Celerity are obvious supernatural acts
Is keeping it at 1 for "social" use viable since that's kind of the idea with toreadors? Or is speed boost 1 too weak against later-game enemies? I want to RP as much as I can on my build without having to end up with a gimped char.

>>384717973
That's a odd way to spell VV anon.

>>384719849
On the Elizabeth Dane, the PC investigates and finds out that it had been opened but LaCroix refuses to believe it

>>384720226
>falling for the toreador bait
Damsel is the only girl that doesn't try to keikaku you

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>>384720217
celerity 1 is only a bit faster then normal
still good enough to dodge as a motherfucker and pumping enemies full of bullets

>>384719504
on one hand i feel like Tom Cruise has limited range as an actor but on the other hand i really like his Lestat

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>>384720335
jeannete also likes you but yeah she still kinda uses you to play games with therese

>>384720432
well yeah i got cele 1 i'm asking if cele 2-5 are worth it

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>this is what anarch scum finds attractive

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>>384720335
yuki also doesn't use you
and after you help her with that sharkdemon

she even shows up without asking to help you break in the kui-jin compound by fighting along side you

>>384720226
>Susan
>best grill
>not best slut
I bet you don't even get her blood, you such a fukcing cuck that you do it for free.
>>384720603
Yes. It's more than worth it, you can go full sanic and see the bullets in the air.

>>384720217
No point in keeping it at 1, it'd be a complete waste. Celerity not breaking the masquerade at 1 is for roleplaying purposes, just to show that it's a speed boost within mortal capabilities. Vampires use their disciplines if they have to fight whether they are brujah fighters or toreador socialites. Social characters in the tabletop don't skimp on upgrading combat disciplines, especially celerity, so max it asap.

Not to mention that celerity at 4-5 will make you fast enough to stealth your way within groups of NPCs, making you unseen due to how fast you move. So it's not just for combat.

I'd recommend avoiding all the posts in this thread except the ones addressed to you if you want to avoid spoilers, people in VTMB threads generally don't give a shit about protecting newcomers from spoilers. I've even seen people deliberately posting important plot spoilers just to spite everyone in the thread. Steer clear until you're done with the game.

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>VV asks for me to destroy the script
>tell her to do it herself
>she tells me she loves me
>tell her I killed the writer

What does investigation do?

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>>384720660
who do the camerilla have to offer?

>>384720335
>Damsel is the only girl that doesn't try to keikaku you

>pisha
Pisha seems like she would be the best girl to talk to

>>384701264
Can a cardboard really do much wrong?

There was the young aristocrat, harr pirate vampire, schizophrenic goth girl, anarchoid retard chick, johnny depp terrorist vampire, fallout ghoul vampire, ching chong ding dong, urban mage etc... i can't say i remember their decisions matter in any way

>>384720665
What bamboozles me is how weak that Wereshark was. They are on equal terms with garou in regards to sheer power.

Maybe the asian variety are just weak.

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>>384720767
highlights items and objectives. making them easier to find

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>>384720660
Damsel is great

>>384720665
Oh yeah, I forgot about her
Second best girl

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>>384717973
>Also, Damsel is the best girl

Maybe if you're a sissy nu-vampire who feels like he has to apologize for his tower privilege.

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>>384720894
well he didn't run away from his home country for nothing

plus by that point the p.c. was already strong as fuck

what's the best stat and why is it security

>>384720767
Makes pickable items on the ground glow so you can spot them. If you have more, you'll be able to find some difficult to spot rare occult items that are easy to miss.

That said, I consider it a mostly usless stat if you're the kind of person that likes to painstakingly explore everything in a room. You should be just fine without it.

Almost forgot, having >=3 inspection will allow you to call out a minor scheme plotted against you in the first hub, which can get you some extra dialogue lines and exp, but mostly for roleplaying purposes.

someone post anon's erotic bloodlines fanfic

you know the one

>>384721092
That's not melee.
I have to kill fast and bullets too slow.

>>384721021
Still you can't fuck over that Garou in the telescope house without exploit. Maybe its because it was away from the sea. If it was a werecroc it would have been totally different.

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>>384720503
Best scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDkQc3qS94

>tfw Cruise is too old to play Lestat again

>>384721092
>Security
>can Blood Buff past most checks
No, Scholarship is objectively the best.

>gives dots in TWO super useful abilities
>Persuasion is most useful social skill
>Research lets you read books and get free skill dots

>>384701264
he was re-enacting a real world politician in a videogame, which is equivalent of being a Hitler in a movie about jewish kindergarten

>>384721446
how is crushing the werewolf between the doors an exploit?

>>384721645
How is it not? Well in terms of the gameplay its an option. In narrative it is.
>how do you like the conveniently placed chomp-chomp doors you furry bitch?

>>384721996
The Garou is immune to damage otherwise. Frankly, one good blast with a shotgun has even odds of dropping a Werewolf, the game just made it way too OP.

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>>384720660
>you will never violently throatfuck her while she calls you a facist cammy opressor.

>>384722417
>you will never attend antifa riots to impress her and watch her leave with a bigdicked Ventrue chad afterwards

>>384701264
He was fucked the moment he accepted the title of Prince.

>>384722294
Is the werewolf a character from the game? Do we see him as a human?

Aside from drinking blood, what do old vamps do for fun?

>>384724023
using a ton of micromanagement and incest to create a family of revenant servants.

>>384724023
>fun

Do you think this is a motherfucking game, neonate?

>>384724023
They get into petty squabbles and power struggle. That's literally why the Jihad exists, so the elders can do something and not get bored.
Or if they are Tzimisce: >>384724131

>>384724005
Maybe, but probably not. I don't think there's any info about that, even hidden in the game files.

>>384724023
Stew and brood on how newvamps are ruining the everything and how everything was way better in your days.

If Malkavian they spread their opinions in the malkavian madness network and gets called a fag by the younger guys.

so
are you lads excited about WtA?

1993 best year of my life

>>384724023
depends on who you're talking about, hundreds or thousands old?
just look at how retarded people not even 20 are, imagine having a century to see it all and get bored of it all
they probably have really weird but simplistic desires

>>384724892
This sounds like the most plausible scenario, imagine seeing ten generations of your spawn get progressively more liberal and retarded

come to think of it the elders probably hate nigs and whatnot

>>384725081
Elder Vamps probably spend a lot of time in Transylvanian blood sucking image boards.

>>384724023
>Fun

I bet you fornicate with Kine you fucking degenerate.

>>384725185
dude they probably don't get computers
maybe they even hate electricity and prefer candlelight
the oldest generation alive is roughly 3500 years old

So why the fuck would I ever want to help the Kuei-Jin?

>>384725443
you wouldn't

>>384725443
If you are ;

a) a race betraying scum
b) an easily manipulated babby
c) a fucking idiot

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FILTHY DUMB ANARCH SCUM!

does anyone know where the hell wesp5 got all the extra songs by Rik Schafer? I lot of them don't even fit in the game

>>384725623
>>384725704
I mean, she's a cunt to you as well so I just don't understand why someone would ever think of doing it.

>>384725809
t. Saulot cucks

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>>384720745
Thanks for the advice, but after several threads I find they really help me enjoy the game, without too many spoilers, even when anons try to be assholes. It's usually easy to notice lore blaberring before reading. Whatever has to be opened seems to be the high point, and it's still a surprise to me, so I THINK I'm doing fine.
I'm also a wiki nut, hardly ever playing any game blind, this being one of the few exceptions, aided by thread hints. I always have fun at the threads, then feel like playing a bit more, and it's a good experience overall. Not many games have threads like this on /v/.

>>384725896
I think Rik or another dev sent him the unused tracks. And yeah I agree, a lot of unused content was unused for a reason, it's why a lot of people hated the UP until the basic version actually only had bug fixes without changing stuff like that.

>>384720745
>>Not to mention that celerity at 4-5 will make you fast enough to stealth your way within groups of NPCs
shit nigga the wiki said you'd leave afterimages and break the masquerade with anything above 1
does this mean i can only run past enemies or in safe areas too?

>>384725896
>>384726153
some of them are pretty baller desu, like The Prince's Dream, To Live Forever and All That Could Ever Be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bYmjJK00XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1GhNWS3yN8

>>384726384
Yeah the guy is a talented musician but like a lot of people said the songs just seem out of place sometimes

>>384714862
no one actually plays mtas though so you might as well use mtaw's rules. even people who like mtas admit that its mechanics are fucking dumb as hell to actually play even if it makes for a more interesting setting.

>>384702307
>Betraying just for the sake of betraying.
Isn't that true of everyone in the game?

>>384725896
>Info from Rik Schaffer regarding unused Bloodlines musical pieces:

>15.11.2011:

>Thank you for contacting me, and yes, they are real and were composed by me in early 2003 for Bloodlines. They are the very last of the unused tracks. Hollywood Hub part 2 and Open Season.

>You can use them. All I ask is that they are sent and shared to as many people as possible who enjoy and are moved by the music I created for Bloodlines. Of all the games I have worked on in the 15 years I've been doing this Bloodlines was the best because I was given free reign to write music without censor and drawing from my own life experiences. This is where the best music comes from for an artist.

>16.11.2011:

>There was talk early on of an East Los Angeles Hub for the game in one of the numerous production meetings I attended at Troika. I was thinking hispanic influence Nines Rodriquez with Open Season. Open Season would have been that area's main theme.

>Hollywood Hub part 2 was basically written the same week as the original Hollywood Hub. The name was a working title, and only because I thought that it would fit nicely wherever Troika ended up using the first Hollywood piece. I'm not really sure why it didn't get used, but if you want to stay true to the game I'd use it in Hollywood somewhere (maybe a club, etc.)...

>I wish I could help more but its been so many years... These are the last Bloodlines compositions that exist that haven't been previously released.

>16.06.2015 Email to Wesp5:

>There is one track that was a potential hub track and didn't fit. When I get
time in the future I'll look into mixing it. There might be actually two
pieces left.

>16.06.2015 Email to outstarwalker:

>I sent you some Bloodlines tracks that were never released, never were used in
the game (because they didn't quite fit), and that no one has ever heard.

>Afterwards twelve new tracks linked via Hightail by [email protected]

he's a cool guy

>>384726884
>>384726962
https://forums.planetvampire.com/bloodlines-games-general-discussion/7-new-unreleased-songs-from-rik-schaffer!/

They could be lying but they say they were in contact with Rik and he sent them unused music. He might've just recycled some of his older music for VtMB and didn't create them just for that if you're right. But he even says the songs didn't fit and that's why they weren't used, and a couple posts down wesp says he added a song into the game and it fits perfectly.

Does Wesp still post in /v/?

I used to see him all the time at Vampire threads.

>>384726253
Safe areas (hubs) are generally quite open so you will be seen. But in quest levels you can use the walls to hide effectively and run past NPCs as long as they don't directly look at you. Obviously if they look in your direction you will be detected. But doing stealth is MUCH easier with celerity.

>>384727457
You serious? I thought he only posted on forums like planetvampire or steam and gamefaqs.

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So who was "a friend"

>>384727457
you're here forever

>>384727957
Dont open the spoiler it was Caine

>>384727957
Probably Strauss, the emails make chess references and you'll find a chessboard in the chantry. Either that or it's symbolic of the blood of Caine speaking to the player.

>>384727957
Some people say it's Jack , others say Caine , but I think it was Grout

>>384728315
I don't think it's Jack, you can say he altered his way of speaking to not be identified but it just doesn't seem likely. And you keep getting emails after Grout is dead. I like this explanation the most:
>>384728229
>symbolic of the blood of Caine speaking to the player

>>384726253
you can use obviously supernatural disciplines against hostile mortals. they cant tell other people about vampires existing when they're dead.

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>>384728534
>Grout
>dead

>>384728668
I'd expect as much, but only for mortals who are out to get me to begin with. I'm asking about the non-hostiles, aren't there gonna be people I'll want to sneak thru that won't open fire on sight?

>>384728802
It seems a bit strange that his was the only corpse that didn't completely disappear upon his death. But, even if he wasn't dead, it seems unlikely that he would be contacting the player so early in the game.

>>384729261
>it seems unlikely that he would be contacting the player so early in the game.
Strauss did, you were pretty famous since he had all the major people gathered for your botched execution.

>>384729523
True, but it seems like the only person who could've known what the PC was going to do and how powerful he would become would be Caine. It would be a huge and unnecessary risk for Grout or Jack to start contacting you in that way since you just seemed like a harmless vampire with no sire at that point.

lads, does anyone have a roll chart?

>>384730295

I know one exists, bumping for interest.

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>mfw discovering I could make ming xiao reveal herself early and helping the chinese resturant owner to run away
>also dat drunk guy mission on chinatown
damn every playthrough I find something new

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>>384704118
>Thinking there aren't "deviants" in the Camarilla You know nothing neonate.

>>384730887
Why are all the boss fights so bad god damn

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>>384730664
>mfw seeing an npc getting his dick sucked in an alley for the first time
i thought people were joking when they said it

>>384731139
they also piss against the wall

>>384731353
that's normal drunken fare for anyone that isn't muslim
a blowjob is a big step up, porn in games is always treated as a big deal, with age ratings and whatnot

>>384731353
In Vesuvius you can walk in on one of the strippers blowing a dude, and there's a Giovanni goon with two strippers in a locked room at the mansion.

>>384731562
well, its called World of Darkness for a reason

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>>384731562
>a blowjob is a big step up, porn in games is always treated as a big deal, with age ratings and whatnot
you should read the source material

Is it just me or did the developers just not bother with making the dialogue choices matter at a certain point in the game?

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>>384731862
this

>>384730951
Most RPGs don't have great boss fights but it was being developed on the Source engine before HL2 was even released, and they had to make a lot of their own tools for it.

>>384731862
cmon you know video games have different standards, the game is far tamer than the lore too, otherwise we'd have rape all over the place

>>384730664
Can you save the warehouse guy? I feel bad for him every time.

>>384732213
i think you can

>>384732213
Yes you can save that guy and also the owner of the restaurant who sends you to rescue her daughter by warning him about ming xiao

>>384732213
Yes you can, iirc you get extra exp for it

>>384732013
Is ranged good?.
Fortitude was op as fuck

>>384733040
ranged becomes hella fun when you get the colt in hollywood

>>384733040
The first weapons are garbage so you're gimped at the beginning, but it's good endgame. Only problem is there are so many enemies you tend to run out of ammo.

>>384733040
Ranged is good if you do all the quests and get enough money to buy the best guns and stock up on ammo when needed. Stick with the shotgun against vamp enemies until you get to Hollywood and get the Colt like >>384733114 said. After that get the deagle and super shotgun. And remember to press tab to turn your Colt/super shotgun to full auto instead of semi auto, it makes them a lot better.

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>>384733691
>character puts his/her hand on the hammer in fan mode

that was a nice detail

>>384734091
The game had simple but good attention to detail in the way your character handle guns. More so than many others, anyway.

>>384734743
...Dinosaurs?

>>384701264
I played this game and though it was very flawed. The sewer levels go on forever.

>>384734743
Real funny joke

>>384735012
>though it was very flawed

it is.

>The sewer levels go on forever.

they actually added a shortcut to Warrens in latest patches, so you can skip the whole sewer part

>>384734743
Plus patch ruins this