What went wrong?

>>384682278
The server relocation.

>>384682278
This is the only game I have ever played that actually literally put me to sleep. It's so fucking boring holy shet.

I give XIV a modicum of credit because it's the only MMO I can think of that created systems to keep people playing old content

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>>384682278
>check reviews
>everyone saying the game is good, even negative reviews
>it's basically russians and third-worlds shitting on SE because of server relocation and some surprise price increase on subscriptions
Not sure how to feel about this, but I agree that server reallocation was pretty stupid.

>>384682278
Weekly loot.

>>384682278
>What went wrong?
Russians and other shitters were given a voice.

>>384683667
International release and no IP block were a mistake.

>>384682278
The price got increased in 3rd world countries like russia and brazil

>>384682278
>What went wrong
WoW

>>384683667
And this is why I avoid PC multiplayer games.

>it's an SE game
>it's an MMO instead of a single-player game
>it's a creatively bankrupt rehash of FF11 with the same characters and setting
>the first implementation of the game was in fact so shitty that SE went out of its way to issue a public apology before dedicating a massive budget to a reboot of the game

Why does anyone give their money to this company?

>>384684890
at least we got an awesome video out of the public apology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j5v8jlndM

I've been playing FF for 30 years now.

13 and its spawn, 14 and 15 are the worst. They're not FF anymore. They're trying to rake in money.

>>384685294
XIV ARR is literally the best FF game in almost a decade.

>>384684558
Increased from cheap to regular or from regular to ridiculous?

>>384685412
Only someone who never played FFXI would say this.
Why do casuals love the WoW formula so much?

>>384685493

it doubled the price, plus increased ping

>>384685818
>2002 was less than 10 years ago
dam

>>384685493
Based on the reviews, Brazil got a ~100% increase and Russia got a ~300% increase. Not sure about other countries, but I heard there are random price increases on Steam for various countries (Japan, Korea, India, etc) since the beginning of this year (Paradox made an official statement about it but reverted the price changes).

>How can you not grasp such a simple game? Are you failing on purpose?

>>384685493
>>384686039
It got increased to the same amount that all the other countries pay, russia used to be 4 dollars and now is 13.

>>384686039
If you could raise the price to unpayable in russia and brazil you'd improve the playerbase by 500%.

>>384686012
I was saying that calling XIV good means you never played XI.

XI was a good MMO, and showed what MMOs could be.
WoW came along and showed that you can make money if you make a game for retards. XIV followed that plan instead.

>>384686483
If I had to choose one country to give them a 500% price increase, it would be France. Fuck frogs.

>>384686589
>I was saying that calling XIV good means you never played XI.
Try reading my post again.

>>384686483
>Americans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjayqi7wcf4

>>384686589
as someone who put thousands of hours into XI back in the day, it's not a good game. it's an interesting, satisfying experience, but it's filled to the brim with needless tedium and wonky mechanics. XIV is objectively superior, but I can understand why XI oldfags aren't a fan.

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>>384686604
Je suis monté
>>384686672
Why are people so obsessed with NA? They love it or hate it but its all they talk about. Do you dream about NA?

>>384684724
>muh safe spaces
>I can't handle bantz

you're no /v/

>>384686767
>objectively superior
It's not though. It's better at making money, it's worse at being a game. XI actually required teamwork and communication. You can go a month in XIV and not speak to anyone. It's an MMO for people like you, stupid "gamers".

If you think it's actually better you're wrong. I put more time into XI than you, and less into XIV and that's probably the difference.

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>>384682278
>"Yoshi our game is shit what do we do?"
>"Just kick the third worlders out pham"
>"But how is it going to fix the game?"
>"It won't but fuck the nigs"

>>384684724
t. russian

is this our thread

>>384687169
teamwork and communication don't automatically make a good game, buddy.

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>>384686604
>be frog
>french servers are basically hell's antechamber
>set my client language to english and play incognito on international servers
>mfw every time someone asks "Where are you guys from?"
No one must know my secret

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>>384687384
URRRRRGH YES IT DOES I PLAY MMOS TO ERP WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND GRIND FOR TEN THOUSAND HOURS TO FORGET THE PAIN OF BEING UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF TEXT

Weekly caps and dailies. It goes against the design philosophy that you should stop playing when you are busy. I can play a whole day but dont make me play 1-2h a day to cap some tomes. Also I just hate raiding as a concept when its. 4-8 weeks a piece if you are unlucky. I fucking hate playing with HC people

>>384687384
they make a community. It may come as a surprise to you but that used to be relevant to MMOs.

Dungeon finder/group finder whatever they call it in whatever game killed MMOs.

If you don't have to talk to a person to play with them then playing an MMO is stupid.

It was the BRs who did the DDoS, right?

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Is a WoW Clone for Weeabos

>>384687605
>people believe this
>people think FFXIVs erp/get carried by randos is preferable to FFXIs system of YOU MUST PLAY TOGETHER

>>384687787
what about FFXI?

>>384682278
I think it all went wrong when the sequel to a game called Final Fantasy was made. Seeing as its niether final and not really fantasy

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>>384687787

>>384687684
like i said, i spent thousands of hours in XI. i also played WoW up to wrath. while i'll concede that yes, matchmaking took some charm out of instances, communication is far from gone.

besides, if you're not playing MMOs with real, genuine friends and instead play with randos you /yelled to find, your "community" is nothing but a farce.

>>384687896
not even close. FFXI is like ever quest for weebs

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>>384688064
>I also play WoW up to wrath
I could never do as much damage to your credibility as you've just done.

>>384683650
This. Weekly loot. 8 weeks to get a weapon. Top kek

>>384688103
I dunno man, everquest for weebs is 100% better than WoW for weebs.

>>384685818
FFXI was amazing. Was. Raising the level cap from 75 to 90 ruined it.

>>384688308
it's way better. but some XIV fags are going to disagree anyway.

>>384682278
The mogstore prices went up in russia/brazil on Steam to stop americans for paying less money for their sub/mogstation items so people in third world countries are bombarding the page with negative reviews

>>384683650
This.

>>384688485
I only ever got SAM to 90 because abyssea and books basically turned it into every other MMO.

Shitters being carried by players.

Does anyone else feel overwhelmed when playing XIV? There's just so much god damn shit to do as a new player. But when I played XI, I don't feel pressured at all and take things at a normal pace.

>>384683650
Basically this.

I haven't played since the server switch. I'm in the UK but play on Gilgamesh, is it still playable?

>>384688831
>plays on gilgamesh
lol, just transfer

>>384688720
XI is just a better world. It allowed you to play your character and learn organically what works and what doesn't. People would tell you, but you could also find out for yourself.

XIV basically is a tutorial, the entire game is a tutorial.

>>384682278
>Australian
>literally had to shanghai a japanese server to get a pacific server
>cant create new characters due to high pop cap
>still no Oz/NZ servers despite complaints

I got out around the time the first expansion hit and though at times I have been tempted to go back everything I hear about it makes me stop.

In short Jap devs have head up asses, more at 11

>>384688271
you get your weapon immediately now for beating neo exdeath

ITT: butthurt non americans

>>384688916
So I have to look for a static and grind savage bossess only to get gear? This do not help casuals who plays a couple of hours every day.

>>384688719
Same. I came back and leveled BLM to 90. It was just sitting in a loose alliance while 4-5 people killed mobs endlessly and the rest were afk.

A shame because 75 cap was dynamic and balanced with a lot to do. I miss Einherjar and doing sea for Ultima/omega pop items hell, I even miss bird farming, great environment to just chat while you ground.

Anyways, that's in the past and while XIV can't replace XI we'll never get another XI so it's the best there is.

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How do you respond?

>>384688885
Which MMO is worth investing time into these days, XI or XIV?

Is the Astrologian class any good? They look interesting.
>need to buy expansion to try them out

>>384689086
Just do normal, you will get your gear, just over a longer time. What do you need the gear for if you aren't savage raiding anyways?

>>384689126
>Anyways, that's in the past and while XIV can't replace XI we'll never get another XI so it's the best there is.
I've known this for years and I still hate to hear other people say it.

I'm playing on a private server to do all the story I never got to do on retail.

>>384684890
>Why does anyone give their money to this company?

exactly for the reason you stated. they made a mistake and fully accepted it and overhauled the whole project.

also I do understand the people who say this is nothing but a good looking wow clone but personally from a traditional FF perspective I love the fact that they tried to make this single player friendly.

>>384689154
Withdraw and turn off join in progress. I have no idea why you would leave that on for trials, only useful for getting a mostly finished leveling roulette.

It's gonna be final steps of faith or chrysalis.

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>>384689154
How do YOU respond?

>>384689259
>I'm playing on a private server to do all the story I never got to do on retail.
Why not just play retail for the story? you can solo most of it

>>384689159
XIV because there's more players and it has a longer future. XI servers could be shut down at any moment now thus rendering your progress null.

>>384682278
Hmm... Nothing?

>>384689154
>joined in progress Turn 5
>beat the shit out of it first try after explaining everyone every mechanic
>6 commendations
I was the promised tank

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>>384689159
You have to make that call, I can't tell you which you'll like better.

If you're into the game aspect XI will always treat you better. Combat is deeper, story is deeper, world is bigger.

If you want the MMO aspect FFXIV will treat you better, more people everywhere, more chat, more erp etc etc.

FFXI is a far better game, but that doesn't mean it's always more fun.

>>384689425
XI servers haven't merged, let alone closed in years.

>>384689154
>>384689378
Just let the time run out. Maybe someone will leave and thus stop your queue before the timer is up.

>>384689560
but they obviously have been dwindling in players. they just shut down the ps2/360 version last year I think. it's only a matter of time before SE makes the call that XI isn't worth supporting anymore. They already shift some of the XI crew to XIV.

>>384689527
I like atmosphere, lore, and exploration. Also love Morrowind. Would XI be better? Retail or private?

>>384689154
>>384689378
>join trial roulette in progress
>dies in first try
i dunno man

>>384682278
casual shit mmo that caters to the lowest denominator.

>tfw no single player standalone FFXI
What will realistically happen once FFXI shuts down? Has there ever been an old MMO that has been made into a game but without the multiplayer aspects?

>>384689692
XI is the most profitable FF game ever made.
I get that you're salty because your WoW clone won't ever get that title, but don't try to scare kids away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOGYoVieVk

>>384685294
I know this like 50 years or something ago. But what caused the Empire and the Alliances to fight all out? Where did they fight?

>>384689884
>XI is the most profitable FF game ever made.
most money made ever total? yes.
but how much money do you think it's making in 2017 compared to FFXIV

>>384689884
Is there a /v/ linkshell?

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>>384689729
Private. Go for a server like LegionDark or something. Free, easy set up, most stuff works.

People will say Nasomi but don't believe them. Nasomi is 100% drama and they won't help you with shit.

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Neat.

>>384690064
isnt there only like 50 players online in legion dark? seems completely dead for a MMO that's supposed to have at least 1000 players to make the world feel alive.

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>>384690048
Dunno. I don't play retail anymore.

There are multiple servers, but I imagine there's a linkshell for /v/ on a few of them.

The fact that you know they're called linkshells leads me to believe I've wasted my time answering this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAcS-1H3BM

>>384689684
It is a duty-in-progress, timer won't stop even if a player decides to leave the instance (roulette will just try to find another player to fill that slot after you join), and you will get your "strike one" if you let your time runs out, so >>384689302 is a better choice. Hell, sometimes the timer won't stop even if there is zero players in the instance, so you end up alone in that duty (but you won't get penalized for leaving, at least).

>>384689218
>Pay the same price but you will get your gear later.
Kys, trash game

>>384689086
I don't understand your point. You could beat these savage fights in less than 2 hours if you have a competent group. Are you trying to say that you suck and you can't find likeminded individuals because you have poor social skills?

>>384690306
Except it will. If someone leaves before you accept, the DF will close then either try to put you into the same (enough time to stop the queue before DF pops again) or into another if the previous instance is now empty. Happens a lot.

You only end upin a duty with nobody in if they leave after you have accepted. But it's best to join, then leave immediately. 0 penalty except having to wait again in a new queue.

>>384690483
>You could beat these savage fights in less than 2 hours if you have a competent group.
It took the best groups in existence over 20 hours of nonstop poopsocking to beat them, keep trying kid.

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>>384690312
Woulndt Fedora tippers chose Sam over Rdm?

>>384690272
Anon, that wasn't me. I'm honestly conflicted. I have like 2 friends who play XIV, but I'm more intrigued by XI. The world and atmosphere is fucking nice. Reminds me of Runescape and Morrowind.

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>>384690183
I play it pretty regularly, there's around 80 players at any given time.

You're given a "global" linkpearl when you create a character, but people who actually play tend to move past it pretty quickly.

You don't randomly bump into people like on old retail, but on new retail you don't either.

You can get help with hard fights or make xp groups without fail, as far as my experience with it goes.

>>384689086
You don't need i340 gear if all you do online is erp and farm duty roulettes.

Also i play at most 3-4h a day and my static is on boss 3

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>mfw picked up BLM again after yoshi shaved thirty seconds off of Triplecast's cd

>>384690651
It took the best groups 20 hours to learn the fights. But after beating them, it's the same scripted fight everytime. It should take you less than 2 hours now. Even less now that you got your Neo Exdeath weapon and peoples average ilvl will be growing week after week.

>>384690752
>My static
Implying everyone has a static.

>>384690950
Why don't you have a static? There's millions of recruitments in Party Finder menu and on forums.

>>384690795
Yes and unless your static is poopsocking that's 3-4 weeks for a normal group to clear O4S, except longer because a "competent" group is nowhere near the same level as world first groups.

>>384690698
It's a giant and rich world.

If you play a private server with boosted XP you can experience a lot of the story. As is probably clear I play on LegionDark

They're pretty chill. The economy is wonky, but you can get everything you need for story progression. Including help, there are some brutal rank missions in FFXI but people will always help out.

>>384690950
Took me a few hours of searching as a fucking nigger mage to find one. Go look for one you lazy fag

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>>384690662
>no tails
I see Yoshida also appreciates mods.

>>384691036
>>384691202
What if I don't want a static because I don't want to do savage and hard bossess but still I WANT THE SAME THINGS other people get by doing those bossess BECAUSE I PAY THE SAME PRICE?

>>384682278
2 new DPS and no tanks or healers

>>384691287
>I want the same paycheck as my boss because I'm a assistant manager, I pay the same taxes as he does!

this is what you sound like

>>384691179
Does it have all the expansions? I'd rather play retail since it has everything and more players.

>>384689962
You might be surprised if you consider the costs of development.

>>384691415
not to mention that retail has much less bugs. private servers are often buggy messes or have shit that don't work so you have to go through workarounds.

>>384691369
Completely different thing. I am paying for a service.

>>384691287
Jokes on you, I'm legacy so my sub is cheaper.
checkmate atheists

>>384691459
I can't be surprised if there are no data backing anything up. But it's common sense that a MMO that just had a $40 expansion and making $15 a month for each people that bought it is pulling more money than a old MMO that hasn't released a new paid expansion in years and the sub fee is less.

>>384690312
>ToAU best expansion
I can see that. Though I've seen some people try and argue WotG is, but I'm convinced they only think that because of Dancer.

>>384691287
You are dumb.
And you can do that already but is not really recommended.

>>384691508
You're paying to access the game. What you do in game is up to you. A service is server transfer, Race change, etc.

>>384691415
LegionDark goes to 99, you can't use the most recent stuff. No RuneFencer or whatever the other new job was.

Honestly people will whine about bugs and not being able to do stuff, but they're all people used to playing retail so they've gotten nowhere in 5 expansions.

Play a private server for free, you literally will never complete all the content available on it.

>>384691470
What's the best job to get to lvl 99 and solo most of the content? I heard you can summon fake friends or something.

>>384691508
So just because you paid for the game means you're entitled to having the game automatically beaten for you?

>>384682914
Gw2 did it but that doesn't make it good same with WoW

>>384682278
They upped the price of brazil and other spic countries so they're giving it a bad rating.

>>384691727
>you literally will never complete all the content available on it.
no shit because some content is literally impossible due to lack of players on the server

>>384691727
>Honestly people will whine about bugs and not being able to do stuff, but they're all people used to playing retail so they've gotten nowhere in 5 expansions.
You mean people who prefer playing on actual servers instead of compromised, half-assed buggy servers with shitty admins? There's literally no reason to play on private unless you're too cheap to pay for the sub.

>>384691776
I want the same thing as other people. Do you want a better gear? Make a ilvl 360 gear on Mogstation to buy at 30$.

>>384688308
>>384688526
Either way both are shit because mmo's are grindy shitfests once the cloak of deception is lifted you realize they are all pretty much the same.

>>384691989
>I want the same thing as other people.
so do the raids then

>>384691989
>I want the same thing as other people
Whats stoping you?

>>384692009
Isn't that every game? What do you play, then, anon?

>>384689870
Can't you play the entire game with AI party members?

>>384691883
Not really.
Is just for steam and im pretty sure is for a problem.

>Tfw I literally found a gold mine very fucking easy to farm
Being FSH is awesome

>>384682278
SE finally shutting down people who been buying up mogstation item codes for Russian prices and selling them slightly below USD price.

There was a guy on Ebay buying up Fantasia codes for $6 and then reselling them for $8. He sold about 400+ of them so at $1.50 profit, he made about $600.

>>384690326
So do savage then. Go on.

How do I meld nigger mage? SS>det>crit?

>>384692567
Sps > DH > Crit

>>384692398
That is the magic of crafting/gathering. Everyone always go for the new stuff on the spotlight and kill each other in undercutting wars, but you can find tons of ways to make easy and fast money in this game, you just have to look for it.

>>384692051
>>384692241
No. I am a solo player. I did V1S with the raid finder. Barely. This game simply need more p2w to be honest. P2W is always seen as bad but it isn't. I prefer to pay for stuff than grinding them.

>>384692742
Kill yourself

>>384692742
Let's say you pay for best in slot gear then. What would you do with it? It's useless in PVP because everyone has the same stats there. It's useless for PVE because you don't Savage raid and older content is level synced. So why pay for something you aren't gonna use?

>>384692742
Kill yourself

>384682278 (you)
It's Final Fantasy - no wonder it's shit. Just like most other Japanese games.

>>384692742
Bait

>>384692930
Quoted
>>384682278

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>>384689884
>XI is the most profitable FF game ever made.

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>>384693064
Rude!

>>384689527
They're honestly both bad as games, with XI the game wastes your time with excessive grinding while XIV wastes your time with running the same content over and over for your daily/weekly timed bullshit. You just think XI is a better game because you have nostalgia for it.

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>>384692742
I figured this was bait from the original post but i gave it the benifit of the doubt.
I'm just gonna hang back and see how many people bite

>>384692398
I wish I could get into gathering but it puts me to sleep everytime. I'll just make my gil the old fashioned way which is selling materia and ex primal crap.

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>>384692398
>gather items no one is getting because they're too busy dickflinging over unspoiled nodes.
>make millions

>>384693378
>Wahoo

>>384693348
All games waste your time. Not sure what you're on about.

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>>384682278
Nothing.

It's an eastern MMO and it makes the same mistakes every eastern MMO does. Only difference is it tried to copy WoW for no real reason.

WoW wasn't successful because it was WoW. WoW was successful because of timing and marketing.

The sooner devs realize this, the sooner we'll stop getting shitty, boring clones like FFXIV.

>>384693413
Bullshit. You'd have to treat it like a second job to make millions off of normal gathered items.

>>384693381
If you do it right, you can level a gatherer to 65-70 in a day

>>384692742
you were doing good but now you just made it too obvious

>>384693504
>Not using a gathering bot
How to tell between the poor plebs and the rich entrepreneurs.

>>384693504
Works for me :^)

>>384683168
its the job of the pub/dev to tell their playerbase about the price hike before it happens
on a side note, didn't expect a lot of russians to be playing this game

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>we will never get Relic Weapons tied to Savage content
Why are casual plebs that are to shit to clear Savage Raids allowed to have legendary Relic Weapons? I liked how the very first Relic worked (Relic +0, not the abominations that followed after)

It had unique bosses, the fights were extremely challenging back then and shitters would never get it unless they paid some fag to clear it for them.

>>384693479
My point is, neither has good gameplay. XI doesn't have "deep" combat either.

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>>384693151
>fancy implication arrows
>no counter argument
>if people wonder they'll look it up and see its true
what did he mean by this?

>>384693618
casual shit mmo, prease understand

>>384693680
Ok, then recommend me a game better than XI.

>>384682278
yes

>>384693618
Relic weapon was always tied to casual content.

Besides everyone know that Savage weapons are better and faster to obtain. SCH relic for example had dogshit secondaries compared to creator weapon.

>>384693709
No proof then

>>384682278
So when does the story get good?

>>384693759
Pretty much any game that isn't an MMO.

>>384693826
When the crystal braves betray you

>>384693776
I fucking hope you just got that wrong because Alex book was pure dogshit for SCH

>>384693842
Even memerun on Wii U?

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>Hop onto LazyPeon's twitch out of boredom
>Playing BDO
>Exploring a new island
>"Whoa new animals, let me get knowledge"
>Kills about 20 instantly, gets no knowledge because it's completely rng
>"i'm just exploring rn this island is new to me"
>finds cave
>goes all the way through to the end
>there's nothing inside
>his stream ends, and he hosts someone else playing BDO
>it's a guy who's been talking about MMOs for ten minutes straight while his character is AFK crafting

I honestly don't understand modern MMO players. I really just don't.

>Fire IV at 919 SpS: 2.67s
>Fire IV at 2032 SpS: 2.52s
love this diminishing returns meme

>>384694018
Who the hell watches people stream MMOs at all? It's like watching someone wait in line at McDonald's.

>>384694018
That sounds shitty, but what are you looking for in one?

>>384693504
>spend 30 minutes
>gather 500 of said item
Wow that was hard! Been doing it for weeks now and people are still retarded enough to buy my shit

>>384694225
Why does everything have to be RNG today? Why does exploration have to have a carrot attached? Why is everything worthwhile instanced these days? Why are devs afraid of keeping players busy in the game world?

>>384694292
Congrats you spent 30m getting mats that earned you maybe 300k tops while a crafter can take that stuff and turn it into 3m+ in 10 minutes.

>>384694114
>BLM mains want to cast Fire IV's in 0.5s

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>>384694316
Money.

>>384694417
BLM or not, diminishing returns are bad design that limit builds and stifle creativity in them.

>>384694404
Already made 18 million. I ain't complaining.

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>>384693809
>if I can't see it, it doesn't exist!

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Finally killed O4S, ask me anything.
What a shitty tier, this was even more boring than Creator as far as mechanics are concerned. At least Neo looked nice visually I guess? Shame about the actual fight though

>>384685294
>XIV, the game which pays a HUGE homage to FF IV-VI, is somehow "not FF anymore"

Fuck off you retarded mongoloid.

>>384682914
WoW has a week dedicated to old content like once a month
I wish it was always available.

>>384694527
Ah i see. No proof then.

>>384694535
Does caster gears have a boatload of DH or something?
It's not the first time I see a RDM with 40%+ DH

>>384686589
XI was literally an Everquest clone you fucking retard.

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>>384692009
>>384692275
if all MMOs are pure grind why not just play BDO? at least gameplay seems better than WoW and FFXIV

>>384685294
Not a single FF game after VI has been Final Fantasy (aside Tactics)

>>384689378
Withdraw and play an actual useful tank

>>384694659
Total Play Time: 222 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes

>>384687169
>XI actually required teamwork and communication
So does XIV
Just because the game required a party to leave town doesn't automatically make it good, it just makes it tedious.

>>384694664
It's the best stat to stack for DPS right now so you meld as much of it as you can.

>>384694527
>posts claim
>doesn't back it up
>get called out on bullshit
>"lol look it up nerd :^)"
The burden of proof is on you faggot. I don't even disbelieve it, but fuck off that's not how this works.

>>384689378
>Playing war

Easy I don't play war, get back in your cuckshed

>>384693573
>pay monthly, for the game, and pay for a bot, so you can NOT play the game to farm money that's basically used for nothing

wow...

>>384694659
308 days.
1/3 must be just for being afk

>>384689924
At Carteneau Flats, which is a region between Thanalan and Mor Dhona. The Alliance was trying to make room for Louisoix to perform his spell and push Dalamud back into the sky. The VIIth Legion was batshit fucking insane and so devoted to Nael, who had already been killed at that point, that they went and fought at ground zero to try and sabotage Louisoix knowing they were gonna die there.

>>384689870
I would like to know this
Only played it a bit as a kid, would like to experience it eventually without worrying about all the hundreds of hours I would have to sink into it going poof into nothing

>>384692275
I play games till I figure out the grind and ditch them "rpgs" always atleast have the hook of boss fights Darksouls became dodgesouls and I quit that games pretty much suck I miss when I could play games blindly but now it is boring the only games that are repetitive and fun are ones you play with your friends.

>>384694717
How in the fuck IX not a Final Fantasy?

>>384693826
late in the 2.x patches, after iceheart shows up
everything related to the dragonsong stuff is pretty choice

>>384683650
fpbp

what the fuck were they thinking?

>>384694698
Because I like XI's graphics.
>>384694659
>>384694748
How the hell do you guys do this? Do you exclusively play this game? How do you juggle multiple games? Do you guys even play OTHER games?
I'm perplexed.

>>384694698
BDO has no worthwhile grind. I mean it's there but it's something you do not strive for.

>>384694732
An actual useful tank won't give me a bear mount, though. Maybe some fluffy lion or an edgy coeurl, but I can get them later.

>>384694756
I mean, yeah, but I'm usually like your SAM, around 30-35% DH and 15-18% Crit

>>384694951
I just played since 3.0 release and did a lot of gathering and PVP.

>>384689870
>What will realistically happen once FFXI shuts down?
It just shuts down and all your progress is lost.
>Has there ever been an old MMO that has been made into a game but without the multiplayer aspects?
Phantasy Star Online

>>384694951
I only log into the game during raid days and for the Expert reset.

>>384693809
http://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=most+profitable+Final+Fantasy+game

Here we go.

>>384694951
I have 2 monitors. One monitor has FFXIV on it, the other is /v/ or another game.

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>>384692742
Oy Vey.

>>384694698
Becaus the grind itself is trash, and the only reason to grind is PVP, which is all the engame has, and endgame PVP is dominated by old players who have a massive advantage.

>>384695438
>massive advantage.
Not him but what kind?

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>>384695198
>2012
>no numbers

>>384695198
It WAS the most profitable FFXI game but I'm pretty sure FFXIV eclipses it now. Cash shop is way too strong.

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>>384695653
>Mfw there's an absolute cunt on my server who has bought over 100 Fantasia

>>384682914
only current MMO maybe. FFXI kept old content relevant for like a decade

>>384694574
>plaster FF words on top of WoW
>It's a reference!
neat

>>384695804
>plaster FF words on top of Wizardry
>It's a new game!

>>384694114
>diminishing returns
When did they add that to spell speed? Last I checked it was tiered completely linearly. Was this changed in SB?

>>384695489
PvP in BDO boils down to one of two categories:
-Being Ganked for your farm spot
-Organized Guild v Guild

In both of these categories, you are one of two people. You either have grinded your eyeballs out and have full TET gear and can oneshot any player that dares come anywhere near you, or you're trying to grind your eyeballs out and are the one being oneshot. There's nothing inbetween.

>>384694574
Yeah, it's also the game that literally has Lightning in it.

>>384682914
Only if you need to level other classes once daily, and if you're a casual who wants to grind-grind-grind for the not-raid weapon of the tier.

>>384695726

Is it that psychotic girl who is constantly changing names and fantasiaing and asking people to RP with her on party finder?

I wasn't surprised when I found out she was a girl IRL, only women can ever get that crazy.

>>384695973
Does these TET gear give a bonus damage/resistance against other players a la AION?

>>384694795
>Pay for bot
Dumbass

FFXIV may as well be called FFXI-2 when the majority of its enemy population is just ripped FFXI models. Game can't afford to model its own roster.

>>384696105
Gear in BDO is reinforced through a long tedious process that requires an insane amount of funds to level up; Mostly because if you fail a reinforce the level can go down and you need more of the item to repair its durability. The difference between levels of gear can be staggering, and PRI/DUO/TET (basically +16/17/18) is quite strong. It just takes some serious autism to get to that point.

>>384696338
They rip models from all FF games not just XI. It's a Final Fantasy Themepark MMO, the devs are not trying to hide this fact.

>>384694490
>stifle creativity
I dunno, man. Without diminishing returns people stack everything into one stat. That sounds like the opposite of creativity to me desu.

>>384696525
They only rip models from XI, XII, and XIII. Basing a new enemy on a sprite from FFVI isn't ripping a model. Work actually goes into that.

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>>384682278
Nothing. Stormblood saved it. Check stormblood reviews on steam.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ccrOAN6nNI
>rip off 2d sprites
>make it 1000000 times better
what went right

>Crafting at max level is literally just 2 button macros and half your skills are now irrelevant

War has changed

>>384696897
good

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>>384693496
>FFXIV 1.0 tries to do its own thing without looking at other mmos
>fails miserably, nearly ruins the company and tarnishes the brand
>they look at other mmos like WoW and revamp the game accordingly
>suddenly huge success

>pay for six month sub late last month because I felt the itch bad
>haven't played the game since I paid
Scared to come back because all my buddies moved on.

>>384696765
I want to fill lyse with my happiness

>>384697218
>tries to do its own thing without looking at other mmos
Other than trying to be XI 2.0 but with a dogshit engine?

>>384695653
>im pretty sure
Sorry moderate success for a game that launched in 2014 is not going to eclipse a game that has had subscribers for the last 14 YEARS.

>>384697239
they've lowered the difficulty a lot, most of the high end stuff is easily doable in pf if that's what you're worried about

>take a look at user reviews to see what's going on
>it's all angry russkis
goddamn

>>384697218
>turns out you suceed when your market to retards
gee a surprise

>>384697239
>Scared to come back because all my buddies moved on.
Why did they move on? And to what?

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>>384696762
>They only rip models from XI, XII, and XIII.
X as well.

>tfw currently doing CoP mission 5-3
>tfw people still communicate and chat
You fags and your modern "MMO" shit

>>384694535
How do you outdamage RDM? they do 8k openers and manage to hold 4k throughout the entire fight.

>>384696338
If you believe this then why is XIV such a shallow ghost of a game compared to XI?

>>384697218
>turn to WoW
>now stuck having to work your ass off every three months to provide the bare minimum in content because new armor/glamour/marketplace-items drive money more than one-off dungeons

>>384696464
Well just sound like Aion.
You had to buy your pvp gears by doing either pvp or dungeons to get Abyss points (AP) and stuff and you needed an insane amount.
But then to get the better pvp gear, you had to get better pvp ranks which is something so you used to get with the AP but was dumb because you would loose your rank as soon as you bought something and the ranks were limited in place, for example ther could only by 500 3 stars officier in your server faction.
So on top of the AP they introduced a new currency called GP which you only get by doing fortress attack/Defense (and contributing) or some special raids.

But then you still needed an insane amount of AP to buy anything.
And then you needed an insane amount of money to increase your gear, every time you fail an upgrade you would lose 1 or 2 level on your gear, and past +10 you needed an even more expansive upgrade item and everytime you failed an upgrade you would go back to +10 and you could get to +15
Then at +15 you needed an even more expansive item
And before I stop playing there was a new system called evolution which on top of example upgrade item, you also needed one item that you could only buy with 50% of your max EXP.

God, fuck Aion.

>>384697690
Should I get into XI? I'm a new player but have heard lots of things about the game.

>>384696949
But now theres nothing that sets good crafters apart.

>>384697690
Are those missions still level capped, or do they just let you burn through them at lvl99 like they're nothing these days?

This is my first time doing savage and these rules man

>If 1-4 people already cleared only one drop, 5 or more leads to none at all
>If you get nothing on your clear of the week then no more drops for you

>>384697817
>the people who pay every month because hey love games are forgotten in the sea of people who prefer online posturing and have nothing better to do with their parent's money

Not even paywall can save us

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>>384697440
>tfw south american
w-what's this price increase i'm hearing?

>>384698030
Is for steam.

>>384697865
Yes, but find an accelerated XP private server. I play on LegionDark.

>>384697678
Don't be retarded, the yojimbo model is completely new.

>>384697962
The areas are uncapped, but the bosses are still capped.

On retail you can use what are called "trusts" which are basically computer controlled friends, or you can do a private server and play whit humans.

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>watch xeno clear vid
>forget auri is in his static
>forget auri is now a "she"
>hear xeno in man mode "YA DAWG"
>hear auri in sissy mode

>>384697835
At the very least, in BDO all you need is the base currency and you can buy all the things you need. It would still take ages to farm mobs for the silver, but it's a little simpler in practice.

>>384689195
>Need to buy expansion to try them out
What? I thought they were a ARR class.

>>384698263
>mentally ill people play MMOs
more breaking news at 11

>>384698098
So why not just buy crysta and pay through mogstation?

>>384698403
Lack of credit card?.
I dunno.

>>384698263
Auri makes me wanna play MCH. I hope thy fix it.

>>384698263
Who are these people?

>>384682278
>make game a shitload easier
>cater to the ERP fanbase who says it's entitled to every new piece of gear even if they are undergeared and don't want to learn boss mechanics

That went wrong. Anything past 2.3 was a mistake. Having a level 50 character used to be an achievement back in the day, now you can reach level 50 in 4 hours.

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>>384697660
Combination of active FC members switching servers to be with irl friends and people getting bored
From looking on FB it looks like they moved on to real life
>tfw

>>384698561
Fuck leveling.
If you can't make it fun you better make it fast.

>>384698450
They can use paypal tho. So i guess they're just complaining for the sake of it

>>384698403
Because it costs as much as it does usually? BRs and Ruskies were using steam, because they had cheaper subscription. SE made it so the price is the same as everywhere else now. You're suggesting right now to pay 13 bucks instead of paying 13 bucks. Genious offer, how could they not realise this, right?

>>384698618
hello goyi--- i mean, honored player of ffxiv. please remember to buy job boost potions for all of your other classes as well

>>384698634
Don't you need an international credit card for that?.

>>384698403
>>384698030
Steam used to give a lower and fixed subscription price to russians and third-worlds (like Blizzard and WoW subs), apparently this isn't the case anymore (some people say that auto-renewal option still offers the old prices).

>usually clear raid tiers in 6-7 weeks
>personal group looking to be done after fifth get-together

I thought they said this was going to be Creator Savage difficulty, not piss-easy?

it's a generic ass MMO that thinks because of it's pedigree it deserves a sub fee. And I guess it's right cause people are paying it. I had a hard time distinguishing it from rift when I first started playing it, outside of the job swap when weapon change stuff.

>>384698561
4 hours? Bullshit. I'm doing PotD and I'm fucking MISERABLE.

The combat is handholding garbage. You can pick up a class, level it to endgame, and master it in the same day; because combat is that fucking shallow.

>b-but then why are there all these shitters?

Because the next problem with the game is that it caters to casuals; and this creates a terrible community for doing anything outside of afking in the endgame hub city and shitposting. The amount of players playing FFXIV who are completely inept when it comes to stringing together simple synergies and mastering the insanely shallow combat system and horribly repetitive boss mechanics easily constitutes 90% of the player base in FFXIV. On a server with an average population in the thousands, you'll find less than 100 players worth playing with if plan to clear the hardest content the game has to offer.

Additionally, if its great efforts to make the casuals feel at home, the game has no addon support. The game actively punishes players who use 3rd party programs for something as simple as a parser. You will definitely get a suspension for "discriminating" against a player based on parser data. Nevermind that the parse data has mathematically proven that this player is holding back the entire group through being a shitter; it's more important that nobody hurts their feelings. So instead of kicking dead weight and finding someone better so the group can clear an encounter, the whole party just bumbles around and eventually disbands.

Lastly, the questing content and endgame content outside of encounters (boss fights) is horrendous. It's the laziest combination of fetch quests and hours of dialogue that give xp after sitting through them, if you haven't already learned to just skip that bullshit.

If you want a better MMO experience, just play WoW, which jumped the shark almost a decade ago.

>>384698694
I've never bought anything for mogstation. I've only got the maid outfit because i bought persona 5.
Leveling in ffxiv is fucking awful and people don't do the leveling roulette for that reason.

>>384698618
And what else is there to the game? The shitty story that everyone rushes through? The instances that you don't have to do because you get the second best gear at the end of the story?

Why the fuck would you even play this

>>384698742
>I'm doing PotD

Nigga, are you retarded? You just follow the story quests by going from place A to B, you get to level 50 in 4 hours.

>>384698661
Good. Fuck them

>>384698864
Because i have found playing the raids and trials.
And i have friends to play.
Video games exist to have fun.
The moment i stop having fun i stop playing.

>>384698826
Complaining is a lot easier than suggesting alternatives and improvements.

>>384696765
Lyse's tiddies look so perfect in this but they look underwhelming in-game.

>>384698864
>Nigga, are you retarded? You just follow the story quests by going from place A to B, you get to level 50 in 4 hours.
Most people don't skip content during their first playthrough. MSQs take way longer than 4 hours.

>>384698972
Doesnt matter. Devs dont actually listen to player feedback. They have middlemen who sit on forums that collect feedback for them and a lot of it is lost in translation because developers rarely even play their own games and just have normies test them for issues. The genre as a whole stagnates because developers are just out of touch old men trying to cash in on gaming without having any real investment or care in it.

>>384696765
Oh boy, reviews from casuals who play it like a single-player game for the bad story.

>Lyse is fucking useless at everything
>Takes the credit from you for liberating Ala Mhigo

>autistically mash through 50 levels in 4 hours
>wonder why you don't have anything to do in the game
jesus christ, i hit my first lv50 after 2 months in HW

>>384699010
her whole personality in stormblood is underwhelming

/clenchfist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXjJE0kQtY

>>384698826
You don't need a parser to see if someone is a shitter, shitter

>>384698972
Does it need to spelled out for you?

Allow addon support.
Allow groups to discriminate based on parse data so that they can assemble a team capable of clearing whatever content.
Put some effort into endgame content outside of dungeons/raids.

The game also has inane systems built into it. For instance, it's faster to level a fresh character than it is to partake in the game's key feature of leveling multiple jobs on a single character due to MSQ xp. Expanding from that, it's easier to gear multiple roles by leveling multiple different character rather then leveling multiple jobs on a single character due to lockouts and weekly token caps.

So rather than taking a single character and utilizing the multi-job system, it's much better to create multiple characters and level up different batches of jobs on each one; and the leveling and gearing process is actually faster with this method.

The whole game has its thumbs wedged up its ass.

>>384699468
>jesus christ, i hit my first lv50 after 2 months in HW
Now get the rest of the classes up and be good at every role so you can be an asset to your FC

>>384683168
>russians and third-worlds
Third worlds don't give a shit about server relocations.
It only turns 300ms of ping to 310ms for them.
It's only entitled americans complaining about it, because they are so fucking bad at the game they can't play it properly unless they have 1ms response times.

>>384699724
stfu

>>384694951
>How the hell do you guys do this? Do you exclusively play this game? How do you juggle multiple games? Do you guys even play OTHER games?
>thinking this is much playtime for an MMO

Neo-/v/.

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>swiftcast is consumed independently of triplecast charges
>mfw quadcast every 60 seconds

>stopped playing RDM after hitting 70 because its boring as shit
>never bothered to learn the class beyond the basics
>buy all gear I can and go expert with it
>313 itemlevel
>rip hate off of the tank on first boss
>turn on ACT for the next boss
>almost 4k
What a balanced and fair class

>>384695804
>plaster WoW words on top of Warhammer
>It's a reference!

>>384694659
380 days
started playing in 2.3

>>384700192
Neo-suck my dick bitch

>love RDM
>it's so simple there's barely anything you can improve on in terms of rotation and general play

Well fuck.

>>384700263
>play job correctly with high ilevel
>surprised you do good dps with it
I don't understand the problem.
Do you want your damage to scale off time played with the job or what?

>>384699653
Addons didnt make WoW content itself better.

>>384700593
RDM and SAM are both overpowered because they're new and the devs need a large crowd to start maining them.

The learned their lesson with DRK, MCH, and AST. DRK was the most broken shit all through HW while MCH and AST were garbage up until the final patch of HW; then only MCH was trash. The population playing MCH or AST after a month of HW was fucking scarce.

>>384699532
>Implying less BR or Russian is a bad thing

>>384700581
did you try the dummies? i got carpal tunnel from that shit

>>384699653
>addon support
sure can't wait for all my untextured UI mods and big bold letters telling me what to do

>>384700636
Yes they did. They allowed for more customization of the UI, and in the case of a parser, it compiled all the information in the combat log into a format that was much useful to the player.

>>384700780
MCH was fucking fine at the end of HW what shit are you smoking? If your complaint is muh gun mage then i'm fucking ignoring it, cast times actually added depth to BRD and MCH, now its just mindless rolling your keyboard just like brd at 50

>>384700263
I still see RDMs in dungeons not just mashing the fuck out of Scatter on every non-boss pull.

>>384699907
Shitter

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>>384700880
>implying FFXIV didn't just program their fights with big bold letters telling you exactly what to do

>>384701010
if i wanted to grind, i'd just play runescape dumb fuck

>>384701024
>used to have to learn what each fights stack/spread/aoe mechanics were
>now it's all just standardized with GIANT ARROWS

>>384701091
The whole game caters to the most casual denominator; because it's just a cash flow product.

>>384701091
>tfw the look away eye trivializes the entire mechanic

Why do they do this? The fights would look a lot better without these effects.

>>384700780
MCH was literally the best DPS job since 3.3, you're completely fucking retarded.

>>384701278
>because it's just a cash flow product.
Like all games

>>384700963
or worse, not using Enchanted Moulinet

Which one is harder to learn and master, BRD or SAM? I've been playing RDM a lot but I kinda grow tired of the simple playstyle. I know that BRD and SAM aren't much harder but I like them nonetheless.

>>384701091
>have to learn what each fights stack/spread/aoe mechanics were
If it's the same mechanic, what's the point of giving it a different marker every fight? At some point these complaints are just nitpicking about silly things.

Would syncing you down to lvl50 make ARR hunts more fair?

>>384701643
Sure. Make em like FATEs.

Should I buy the weapon first or armor with Verity? I'm almost at enough to get into the EXs, just one more upgrade should do it.

>>384699653
>For instance, it's faster to level a fresh character than it is to partake in the game's key feature of leveling multiple jobs on a single character due to MSQ xp.

No fucking way. Maybe up to 50, but then the fucking gigantic chain of 100 hours of level 50 quests between you and Heavensward kills it

>>384701881
Usually you upgrade your weapon first, so try to get the best possible weapon through whatever means before upgrading your chest and pants slot, I think.

>>384701541
SAM if you want big dick dps.
BRD if you can multitask.

>>384687576
hon hon, au chocolat chaud

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>>384699653
>For instance, it's faster to level a fresh character than it is to partake in the game's key feature of leveling multiple jobs on a single character due to MSQ xp
What kind of mongoloid thinks this?
>mfw there are people that do this to get around weekly caps

>>384702020
Even up to 50 it's slow as shit because you have no armory bonus. That guy is literally retarded.

>>384701643
No, they're still a joke at level 50. It would make it easier to get credit though.

>>384682278
This game's story is probably the most boring fucking thing i've ever put myself though. What kind of sick fuck thought it was a good idea to lock everything behind that slogfest?

What the point of playing different class when endgame gears is lock behind weekly reset?

>>384699653
>>384702020
>>384702313

I would honestly prefer it if leveling a second character was as fast as leveling other jobs. My first character was made to be a muscular brute because my first job was Monk. I'd rather have a second character for caster classes, plus more Retainer slots.

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Is there a better fucking feeling

>>384701491
All games don't come with subscription fees.

WoW proved that successful MMOs are a ridiculous cash cow. Sony is looking to create a similar MMO dynasty for the cash flow. A large cash flow from your MMO requires a massive playerbase. FFXIV caters to the most casual players because they're casting the largest possible net for subscriptions.

>>384682278
Today I learned that FFXIV has a ton of BRs and Russians.

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This.