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>Greatest RPGs of all time >#1 Skyrim

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>Greatest RPGs of all time
>#1 Skyrim
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>Best Resident Evil
>4
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>Top 100 list Greatest games of all time
>Entire top 25 are nintendo games
>Tetris or pac-man at #1
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>>384650239

So you read Game Informer too?
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>#1 undertale
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>>384650239
>Greatest video game of all time
>#2 Undertale
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>Greatest JRPG of all time
>FFVII
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>Nintendo dominates the top ten
>/v/ kills themselves
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>>384650326
what's wrong with 4?
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Post games that you had FUN with.
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>>384650710
7/8 - BT
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>>384650326
>classic RE is hard
>classic RE is scary
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Whatever happened to playing video games you liked, regardless of rank?
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>>384650710
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>>384650326
Fucking this.

For me, 4 is where it all started to go down.
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>Best videogame OST
>Halo
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>>384650239
The Bethesda formula is objectively the best template for an RPG. Skyrim is mediocre but you could argue for Morrowind and New Vegas.
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>>384651293
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>>384650429
>entire top 25 are nintendo
>number1 is tetris or pac-man

The math don'ts adds ups.
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>>384650429
Spinoffs for them like TGM3 and CEDX+ are really fun and improve them though, but Tetris, Pacman or their spinoffs don't really need the No. 1 spot.
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>>384650429
>marios and zeldas full of praise
>pong #1, it started it all is the only reason given.
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>1. Super Mario Bros
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>>384651372
That one is actually reasonable. Marty is GOAT.
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>Best video games of all time
>an accurate representation of good games
>/v/ fags get btfo
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>>384650670
Everyone likes to talk shit about america but at least we don't allow stuff like this.
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>mod the shit out of Skyrim
>it literally does become the #1 RPG of all time
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>>384651975
>>384651975
no one even likes this game. they didn't even like it back then.
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>#1 jrpg
>FFVI or Chrono Trigger
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>>384652454
sure we do.
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>>384650627
not as good as 7, which was a return to form.
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>>384652138
Hang yourself underage
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>>384653050
I disagree
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>>384650239
>wow is anywhere on that list despite killing the RPG side of MMOrpgs by being so trash in quest design
>runescape nowhere on it
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>>384650574
It's not as terrible of a choice as Skyrim for best overall RPG. What would you pick
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>>384653163
your opinion is wrong.
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>>384653217
>hurr wow got so poplar that everybody gave up their other MMOs to play it xD
By that logic Bethesda killed open world RPGs.
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>>384653458
I think your opinion is wrong
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>>384650710
>Witcher 3
>Oblivion
>Neverwinter Knights 1 with all expansions
>GTA SA
>all sonic and raymans titles of the old days
What should i play.
I dont have fun anymore lol.
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>>384653512
>By that logic Bethesda killed open world RPGs.
But they did, what's your point, asshat?
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>>384653512
No you retard wow got popular so every two bit hack started copying it's nigger tier excuse for quests, plus it just so happens that quest design like that an extremely cheap way of getting an "rpg" label slapped on your game.

And yes, beth did kill open world RPGs.
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>List of hardest video games
>Dark Souls anywhere on it
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>coworker tries to talk to me about video games
>asks me if I like Skyrim
>I fucking hate it
>"Nah, not really my thing."
>"Not much of an RPG guy, huh?"
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>>384653918
>he assumes you like CoD
>you can see a smug smile in his face
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>>384650239
>chester bennington.png
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>Hardest video game bosses
>one of the Final Fantasy VII Weapons is number 1
>Demi-fiend nowhere to be seen
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>>384653127
>He didn't like Steve Vai in Halo 2
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>>384653901
"Souls" games are cancer
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>picking anything as greatest
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>>384653626
>>384653642

Oh my apologies, I see both of your points now
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>>384652849
What would you put above chrono trigger?
What that I enjoyed the most.
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>>384651372
Halo is one of those games that's good but not great alone but GOAT tier if you have friends and an XBLA membership.

It also is a perfect example of a modern god learning curve done right. It doesn't force you to learn contrived and bullshit mechanics to even compete like counter strike, but it also isn't goddam easy to master like Cod/Battlefield. Halo's mechanics are really basic, but you can do a fuckload with them if you git hid.
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>>384650239
>>Greatest RPGs of all time
>>#1 Witcher 3
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>>384654171

This. Only idiots have an opinion on anything.
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>>384654171
This image gave me all over terminal malignant cancer and I have three seconds to live
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>>384654345
so you're an idiot then
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>>384653918
>>384653991
>how about fallout 4?
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>>384653901
One of the hardest shit I've ever played
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>>384653918
You can save face while telling the truth if you say you like fallout just don't say which
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>>384654353
This post is cringey.
Hold up I'm gonna screencap it and post it to /r/cringe
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>>384654431
Not him but
>he is so autistic he can't understand sarcasm
Capcha Papa bless
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>>384654519
Not before I post your post to /r/cringe buddy
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>>384650670
what the fuck is that
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>>384650239
>>Greatest game of all time
>>#1 Bore of the Wild
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>>384650239
Name three better rpgs than skyrim that still hold up to day
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>>384654318
Stfu the witcher 3 was great
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>Test of Time Award
>Skyrim
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>>384654812
im still mad
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>>384650616
>nintendo from 20 years ago
>nothing after the n64 in the top 100
>/v/ was right
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>>384654031
too soon
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>>384653457
Nah, its even worse, J"RPG" is just a meme.
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>>384654254
Terranigma but I have a boner for the world in that game also best combat
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>>384654871
>super mario galaxy
>super mario galaxy 2
>super mario sunshine
>any smash game
>mario kart

try harder :^)
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>>384654793
For a movie it was alright, i just want games like that being honest about what they are. Everyone actually only win from it, normies love movies, right?
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>>384654318
That's legit though
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>>384655262
>mediocre mario games
>smash
>modern mario kart

Get some taste kid
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>>384654793
It wasn't a very good rpg though.
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>>384655626
I liked super mario galaxy a lot
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>>384651293
Can't go down until you get to the top.
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Normies don't have the patience to play a real RPG on pen and paper, what do you expect?

I like Skyrim though
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>>384655626
> I ONLY PLAY """ADULT""" VIDEO GAMES

get the fuck outta here kid
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>>384653127
>Hang yourself underage
halo is a 16 year old game, anon
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>>384656207
>I only play video games that my little brother plays
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>>384654585
Man who was exposed to massive amounts of radiation while trying to contain the radiation from the Fukushima disaster. He received so much radiation that his chromosomes were decimated. His body was absolutely fucked beyond repair, yet he was forced to stay alive against his and his families wishes even though he said multiple times that he wanted to die. He was kept alive for like 80 days.
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>>384654712
Fuck this fucking hunting shit fuck.
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>>384651047
"Fun" is just one thing you can experience playing a game. But there are a lot of other things you can experience that are not "fun" but they could make a game good.
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>>384656058
yeah for real
REmake and 4 are literally indisputably the best in the series.
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>greatest multiplayer fps of all time
>Battlefield 1
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>>384656993
hunt this :^)
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>>384654318
pleb
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>Great RPG's of all time

>Western choices at all
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>>384657901
Wait a minute, I didn't order any bait
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>>384656207
The point was that all those franchises are garbage now. Nu Mario kart is a travesty compared to the snes and n64 days. Same with sunshine compared to good marios
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>>384658367
Mario Kart 8 is the best one though (with battlemode of course)
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>>384657491
>Most historically accurate games of all time
>Battlefield 1
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>greatest RPGs list
>pic related isn't mentioned

It's like you enjoy being a plebeian
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EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
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>>384656993
if you eat meat you are a fucking hypocrite
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>>384650710
>nintenbro
Uronically kill yourself my man
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>>384658367
But Mario Kart 8 is objectively the best one, you retarded nostalgia-drunk contrarian
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>best shooter of all time
>#1 Doom
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>best 10/50/100/whatever games of all time list
>includes games that are super fucking old or are the first in their series when their sequels or newer titles in the genre are all more mechanically complex, polished, have more quality of life features, have more content, and have better visuals and audio

Every god damn time learn the fucking difference between "best" and "most revolutionary" or "most most groundbreaking"

"MUH CLASSICS"fags need to gtfo
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>>384653050
4 was very good though

7 is a rennaissance but 4 was a great game using the classic formula, it managed to spook me regularly and had fun gameplay
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>>384650239
>>384650429
>Top 100 list of greatest games of all time
>entire list is comprised of video games
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>>384658367

>sunshine was shit

fuck you nigger it was great
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>>384656993
It's tradition, loser. how does it feel that a little girl is more of a man than you?
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>Top 100 games of all time
>Any Sonic game is on it
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>>384662256
>#1 Doom (2016)
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>I disagree
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>>384650627
Nothing, it's the best in the series. It has the perfect blend of Survival horror and action. People blame it for ruining the series, but RE5 is when things went downhill. 4>2>REmake=7>3>5>>>>>>>6
Prove me wrong
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>>384662764
Nothing wrong with sonic
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>greatest game of all time
>not Warcraft 3
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>>384662953
overrated
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>>384654171
Disgusting..... didn't use the pea method
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>20 deepest stories
>Fallout 3 makes the list
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>>384662948
Nothing right with it either
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>>384662953
>locked to 30fps
nah
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>>384663104
Did some youtube celebrity tell you this?
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>greatest shooters of all time
>half life #1
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>>384663219
Sonic has always been shit and only autists liked it
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>>384651293
So you're retarded?
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>>384662764
>>384663104
>>384663336
t. Arin
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>>384650616
Fuck off Nintendo is a literal crutch company. It's game are the same inoffensive kid shit made to pander to the largest fucking demographics. A fucking crutch
It uses "toon" animation and style to compensate for the fact that they can't make real games . A fucking crutch
Their games are literal casual shit that a nigger can easily complete that ninteniggers can only defend by saying its "fun". A fucking crutch

it is the fucking Disney of the industry, Mario a soulless inoffensive husk use for fucking marketing like the Mouse

Nintendo is full of crutches out the ass.
Sony is also full of fucking crutches because it's literally the Avengers/MCU the company
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>>384663435
Nice pasta
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>>384663336
Not really
It's just a game with interesting mechanics unique to it
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>>384663415
>>384663336
Yeah that makes sense my friend says the same thing about sonic and he's in love with gay grubs
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bought skyrim a month after launch because some friends raved about it. played it for long enough to notice the dungeons were all the same linear zombie killing bullshit
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>>384654481
I take it you haven't played a lot of games then.
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>>384663807
I don't really try to play hard games
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>【ゲームソフトランキング】
>#1 東方蒼神縁起
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>>384663791
So about 6 minutes in?
Seriously the enemy variety was the most disappointing thing about the entire game after playing oblivion. There's more enemy variety in oblivions tutorial dungeon than in every skyrim dungeon put together.
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>>384664334
Even worse is fallout 4.
>mutants
>radroaches
>"raiders"
>"gunners"
>bloodbugs
>mirelurks
>ghouls
>molerats
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>>384664437
You're missing a few, that's actual variety verses draugr draugr and draugr.
You actually fight all of them quite frequently verses everything in skyrim.

Also the dungeon design was better (still not good) as they developed some new tools for their spaghettiheap of an engine.
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>>384652649
no mods make the combat good.
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>>384654793
>>384655489
>>384657828

Such butthurt that someone doesn't follow the Witcher 3 collective
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>love Skyrim

>think Fallout is shit

Am I the only one?

Also holy shit Skyrim is so dense and full of lore. This is what world building looks like people.
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>>384662746
Feels totally turned off.
I'm not gay.
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>>384654171
Doesn't the paste go on top of the CPU
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>>384650976
Nothing?
Where retarded school of thought do you come from where you can't consume and enjoy something without criticizing it?
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>>384666005
That's not the only problem.
Look at the label on the "paste" syringe.
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>>384661638
>red and blue
>anything but the worst of the series
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>>384662396
>mario 1 being above 3 despite 3 being better in literally every way
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>>384650429
Tetris is LITERALLY the perfect video game
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>>384650326
t. contrarian
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>>384654171
This gave me cancer.
>>384666005
Somehow I completely missed this.
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>>384654318
One of the best worlds with a lot of detail but far from the best RPG.
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How to spot an underaged retard:
>#1 RPG of all time
>Earthbound
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>>384657901
>playing JRPGs at all
Surely noone can have such a shit taste, my fellow anon

:^)
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>>384665774
Fallout 4 is shit and skyrim is shit compared to fallout 3 and fallout new vegas
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>>384666005
There's a lot wrong with the image
I'm pretty sure it's made to make people who know better cringe
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>>384654712
Hope she turns that gun on her dad one day.
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>>384665581
>running combat mods up the ass
>keep dodging off of cliffs or falling to the skyrim patented swarm of bandits or wolves
BE FUN DAMN YOU
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>>384667617
Why would you wish for gun violence
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>>384650239
ohh god, why can't I stop laughing at this image?
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The real problem with skyrim is - we can't shake it off. The game is continue to return on stage. From arrow to the knee cancerous wave to skyrim on swith this game is constantly remind us it exists.

And I don't really HATE it - I played it for five or six hours, enjoyed sightseeing but nothing else.

But years passed and this game is always near, like a bad song from a past, caught in constant marketing jingle placement, so you hear it every half of year in your grocery store.
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>>384654712
isn't eating fresh heart like the best thing about hunting? or am i remembering it differently
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>>384667642
Because fuck conservitards
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>>384667642
So that people finally learn that handing out weapons of war to potentially unstable or immoral people is a terrible idea.
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>>384667139
I actually would have said that Earthbound fans are 30yo nostalgia cunts
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>Greatest games of all time
>Super mario bros
>Tetris
>Ocarina of time
>Pacman
>Fallout 3

:^)
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>>384668037
>handing out weapons of war to potentially unstable or immoral people
>hunting
I mean yeah the whole taking a bite out of it's quivering heart strikes me as more khorne than red blooded 'merican but it's not like he's training her on which grassy knoll or church belltower is the best spot.
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>>384667948
8 years
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>>384667938
Yeah, only if you want to contract a bloodborne disease, faggot.
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>>384668192
Who are these cuties?
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>>384668202
sonybros at it again
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Is it cool to like Witcher 3 yet
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>Greatest RPG's of all time
>Chrono trigger or FFVII
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>>384668440
Nah, wait 17 years.
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>>384668440
Wait until 2027 comes out so people start hating that
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>>384668037
>first doesn't mention freedom of speech anywhere
>second reinterprets it flagrantly wrong
this is the shit your kids learn
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>>384668714
*2077
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>>384654712
What's the deal with Americans and refusing to eat cooked meat? It's like they still live in the stone age
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>>384668585
But Chrono Trigger is one of the greatest RPGs of all time, up there with Xenogears, Xenoblade, Xenoblade X, and FF 4, 6, and 7
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>>384654712
Breath of the Wild is top 10 best games of all time, easily. You can't really say any one game is the best, so all you can do is narrow it down.
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>>384668918
>Post shitty meme Mokou images
>have shit taste
color me surprised
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>>384650627
>>384662945
4 led the downfall of the fucking series
no matter how good 4 is
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>>384669109
>Posting irrelevant meme New-hu characters
Figures. No one even remembers anyone past 13, besides maybe Seija and Sukuna.
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>>384669109
fuck you
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>>384650239

>elder scrolls is a good series
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>Greatest fightning games of all time
>Tekken 3 instead of 5
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wait what's wrong with skyrim?
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>>384654712
Fuck you faggots, that's rad. I wish my family did that kind of shit was a kid.
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>>384669459
yeah, it's called "Legend Of Zelda" on the NES
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>>384669449
It's just not a very good game (without mods). But just because a bunch of good mods exist for it doesn't mean that it's a good game
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>>384668139
SMW is better than SMB 1.
Tetris should be number 1 spot, it's literally perfect.
I disagree on OoT's greatness but I played it too late. I don't know what it was like when it came out. I would still rate a fair amount of the someone better than it's sequels.
Pacman Championship Edition DX is straight up better than Pacman.
No Fallout qualifies as the best game ever. They're awesome, but not that awesome.

My personal top 5 is:
Tetris
Super Mario World
Neo Turf Masters
Metal Slug x
Baten Kaitos Eternal Wings
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>>384669389
>greatest fighting games of all time
>#1 is rival schools
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>>384669449
Generic trash, normalfag's first rpg
Mods do not make the game better, only mask the shit
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>top 10 videogames of all time
>they are all so vastly different that you could never compare them
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>>384669595
Fuck off
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>>384650239
But its good.

Show me a game that allows so extensive modding and customization of gameplay.

It basicaly does Hgame experience better than any Hdedicated nippon game ever. You don't even get vaginas reacting to the dick, meanwhile in Skyrim.
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>>384650239
Just wait till this releases
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>>384669742
Having a good mod framework =/= the base game being good
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My current top 10

Hollow Knight
Breath of the Wild
Super Metroid
Metroid Primed
Civilization 5
Terraria
Binding of Isaac
Smash 4
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
Xenoblade Chronicles X
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>Greatest games of all time
>half life, pokemon yellow and doom are in the top 10
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>>384650463
>best fps games
>#1 overwatch
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>>384669817
Not sure if this is bait or if your 18year old or younger
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>>384669934
I'm 20

I just realize that most newer iterations are superior to the older ones, even if they are missing some key features. Tropical Freeze, for example, manages to even BTFO my nostalgia bias for DKC2, while also lacking animal buddies and good secret games. It was that good. Super Metroid and Prime are classics that are exceptions to the rule of newer being better.
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>>384669916
>this gigaturbonewness in the pic
Holy fuck so much reddit that it would not get more reddit if you added Snoo to it.
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>>384653918
I really hate that, I never know how much of my power level to display.

>yeah, guess not
>well i just like different sorts of RPGs
>no, i am, i just dont like skyrim
>skyrim was a shit rpg
>kys new vegas GOAT
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>>384650239
But you can make your toons have sex in Skyrim...?
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>>384670126
>toons
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>>384654712
Nothing wrong with this.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1500631311132.webm
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>The Dark Souls of [genre]
>>
>top 10 terrible games list
>lists NMS and Aliens Colonial Marines
nigga, Destiny 1 and 2, Chore of the wild, and Nier Automata are worse ad infitum
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>best games of all time
>to play #1 you have to be over 25
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>>384662953
>yet another generic tolkien fantasy
>great game
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>>384670221
Nier waifubait just has niche as fuck gameplay overhyped by ass
It's not bad just niche
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@384670221
Destiny 1 yes
>"Chore of the wild"
>Nier Automata
You're a fucking child. No (you) for you.
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>If it isn't an old stale game that's no longer good the list isn't viable reeeee!
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>>384654712
>He doesn't have a grandpa that's a hunter
>he doesn't get free high quality meat(the best quality you can possible get) all the time
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>>384654171
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>>384650239
top 10 not in order of preference

1) castlevania sotn
2) final fantasy 9
3) suikoden 2
4) fallout new vegas
5) persona 5
6) final fantasy 4
7) yakuza 0
8) super mario rpg
9) mother 3
10) chrono cross
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>>384670335
But skyrim is an old stale game that's no longer good it's just being resold with non-retarded binaries but more jewery.
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>>384654171
>Using hellmanns paste on your CPU
Disgusting.
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>>384662396
dangerous mindset there though, leads to stuff like Castlevania 1 ending up underneath Super Castlevania despite super being shit compared to 1's incredibly well thought out gameplay design that didn't require instant death pits everywhere to be challenging
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>>384670497
Got anything better?
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>>384670334
>he doesn't like my Shitty Nintendo Switch game
>he must be a child
you must be autistic with mediocre tastes for waifus
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>>384650239
>Greatest platformers of all time
>Sonic 2 gets a better rank than S3&K
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>>384654171
>#1: your favourite game
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>>384670576
I prefer Heinz
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>greatest games of all time list
>death by degrees isn't even on it
>>
>TOP 10 BEST GAMES ALL TIME
>all games got released during the last 5 years
>>
>BEST RPGs of ALLTIME

>Skyrim
>Mass Effect 2
>Call of Duty Black Ops 2
>Dragon Age Origins
>Fallout 3
>>
Top list of videogames is so easy, just go by sales because that's the only thing that matters

1 Tetris
2 Minecraft
3 Wii Sports
4 Grand Theft Auto V
5 Super Mario Bros.
6 Mario Kart Wii
7 Wii Sports Resort
8 Pokémon Red, Green and Blue
9 New Super Mario Bros
10 New Super Mario Bros. Wii
11 The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
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>>384671710
>because that's the only thing that matters
Not to consumers.
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>>384671758
Well the consumer bought it so I guess it did ;)
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>>384671810
How does that even make sense
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>>384671810
That doesn't even make sense. Shit comeback
Not him btw
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>>384671860
>>384671838
He is correct though
There is no measure for a game's quality, but all the things that matter to consumers are directly indicated by sales
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>>384650239
Skyrim is "good" only with heavy moding.
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>>384671984
Capitalism was a mistake
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>>384672009
>ALL HAVE THE SAME HAIR
>PUTTING HAIR ON A FUCKING KHAJIIT
>WOMEN
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>>384672062
In communism, you could observe the inverse; the best goods were the ones that were scarce because everyone wanted them
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>>384672062
Or the only reason the video game industry exists.
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>>384671984
Considering the various emotional things that make up "fun" are measurable using neurochemistry, and various other elements of neurobiology, yes there is.

On an even simpler level bad games can be defined as games which lack gameplay entirely - the point of a game is gameplay and if it lacks it, it is a bad game. Just like a boot is bad food.
And average can be defined as being bland with a low skill floor and ceiling.
Good is the only thing that's impossible to objectively describe because taste varies.
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>>384654254
Persona 4
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>>384672185
>Feudalism made your house, tools, and crops, so you can't complain when the king's men break down your door to collect taxes and rape your wife
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>>384672009
>no penises
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>>384653918
It's one of three types of people

>plays newer games but didn't play the older games and thinks you don't like that genre cause you don't like the newest version of said game
>played all the older games and dislikes/hates the newer stuff that came out, thinks of you as a lowly casual cause you've not had the chance to play said older game and thus believes you have no taste
>hasn't bothered to play said game you mentioned cause it's below them that they even play it or talk about it, thus they only play indie or less heard of games and explain the game poorly when you say you've never heard of it or not seen/read anything on it
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>greatest video game companies of all times
>#1 nintendo
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>>384672214
>Good is the only thing that's impossible to objectively describe because taste varies
Well, the entire point of the list was best videogames
Also, I'd argue that bad and bland is just as subjective. You're correct that a videogame that fails at the game part is automatically a bad game, but there are many more features that could make it one
Every non-vidya is bad vidya but not all bad vidya is non-vidya
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>>384670363
I'm sure your gramps is a stand up, no-nonsens kinda guy who respects nature and would clock this faggot in the head for making/letting his daughter bite into a fresh kill's raw heart.
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>>384668221
Manticore and cheshire cat.
Google Monster girl encyclopedia for more
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>>384651372
Odst had a great OST. I can't think of one I like more
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>>384672341
Probably

One thing I hate about hunter prejudice is that people think they hate animals, when in fact it's often hunters that has the most respect for animals.
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>>384668037
That picture is the best illustration of why conservatives are uneasy about the state of education. If you don't see how that passage ignores two centuries of history, and legal precedent then you ought to be ignored,.
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>>384650239
please be bait.

Chrono Trigger
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>>384650239
>>Greatest RPGs of all time
>>#1 Witcher 3
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>>384674379
Nah, conservatives are buttmad about education because it doesn't spread their retard propaganda against science and in favor of terribly outdated religious bullshit.
90% of conservatives doesn't care about what is actually happening and they take all their news from propaganda outlets that shill up minor, unrelated things to cataclysm.

Meanwhile actually terrible changes are perfectly fine, as long as they aren't presented as being from liberals.
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