Roggvir did nothing wrong.

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>>384629452
>tfw no side quest to save roggvir
>any effort you try is in vain

>>384629690
Bethesda Quality anon

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>>384629734
What did he even do again? Something about a gate?
Why is he executed for not closing a gate but I get 200 days in prison for killing all of Tamriel?

>>384629452
Ulfric is the rightful high king by the old Nordic tradition, he was a martyr for Skyrim.

Bethesda a shit.

>>384629961
He helped Ulfric escape after he murdered the High King.

>>384630123
>Challenge to single combat
>Murder

Imperial memers please go, Torygg accepted that challenge.

>>384630058
>>384630206
Ulfric cheated by using shouts

So I agree with the Stormcloaks politically and also in their ideology but I think they are complete retards who can't run a country or have a proper military.
What do?

>>384630376
Stormcloaks' hearts are in the right place, but they're just going to get steamrolled by the Aldmeri Dominion. Unless Talos comes down from the heavens to fuck shit up, Skyrim's doomed if you side with them.

>>384630376
Stormcloaks still. Ulfric is like the only other person in Skyrim capable of shouting, I think you can trust the country to him.

A proper military is trained upon quest completion.

>>384630376
same i normally side with the empire because the thalmor would probably move in shortly after the civil war and make all of skyrim their bitches even more than it already is.

>>384630525
>>384630674
>Stormcloaks would lose to the Dominion

Refuted here.

http://colonelkillabee.tumblr.com/post/69090901004/stormcloak-bible-part-3-can-skyrim-defend-itself

>>384630593
>Ulfric is like the only other person in Skyrim capable of shouting, I think you can trust the country to him.

you couldn't even trust a town to him before

>>384630907
Fuck it, I'm not reading that. But I've discussed Civil War with a lot of anons and I've seen some pretty good pro-Stormcloak arguments when it comes to defense against the Dominion.
I'm going full circle, first supporting the Stormcloaks, then the Empire and now considering Stormcloaks again. Fucking hell.

>>384630907

all of those points are retarded

>but the empire is guarding the borders
>but muh geography
>but the Dunmer wouldn't like it
>but the empire wouldn't let them

Why does everyone keep forgetting the anomaly in these games? YOU.

Yes, if you never existed The Stormcloaks would get fucked if they won the war.

But along comes you. The goddamn DragonBorn incarnate. You slew the world eater, favored by 15 daedric princes, gifted with magical items out the wazoo. Thalmor are in for a world of hurt.

>>384631302

yeah, because the heroes in TES always stick around to help instead of fuck off to Akavir for no reason

>>384629452
Murdered a horse thief and almost the Dragon born for being in the wrong place.
Killed Rog for opening a door.
Let the Thalmor (We are totally gonna fight them again) roam freely in Skyrim imprisoning and torturing citizens of the Empire.

Is there anyone stupid enough to side with the Empire anymore?

>>384629452
>BOOOOOOOOO

>>384631302
And you're forgetting Heroes only matter during an Event. Then they fuck off to die or something. Happened every time in history.
Even the Nerevarine decided to abandon Morrowind.

>>384631420
Point taken. I know it's implied that you replace the first dragon born in the DLC with hermaous Mora.

Still, DragonBorn definitely feels like the guy wouldn't dick off like the rest of the guys. Your actions alone could deter the dominion

>>384630206
>Honorable Nord fight
>Uses Dragon magic to win

Yeah, so much for honorable. Still crazy that Ulfric actually thinks a bunch of sweaty men in furry costumes are gonna go toe to toe with Magic Nazi elves.

>>384631586
They always dick off, it's inevitable. I think it's also implied that he's become Miraak 2.0 now, under Herma-Mora's control.

>>384631638
>dragon magic
This is what the mongrel dogs of the Empire really believe

Skyrim predicted Trump

>>384631682
That really is one of the best parts of these games. You make such a big impact and then your guy just ups and leaves for whatever reason. Kinda tragic really.

>>384631091
The only two ways the AD can get to Skyrim is sailing past Hammerfell or overland through Cyrodil.
To secure the route by Hammerfell they would have to pull their navy away from blockading the Imperial Navy trapped in the Rumare.
They won't do that as it free the IN to attack Summerset itself.

Overland through Cyrodil is a worse option as there are some who still wish to fight and securing the supply line to Skyrim would take as many troops as the invasion.

In short the AD isn't going to do a fucking thing to Skyrim.

>>384631838
Yeah, I feel especially bad for the CoC, poor guy didn't even have a choice in mantling Sheogorath. His own identity, his own personality, it's all gone now.

>>384631091
Basically to sum it up is this.

>There are two methods to attack Skyrim from
>First is land, which is impractical, they can't move armies through Cyrodiil or high Rock because of the terms of the White-Gold Concordat
>Second is Morrowind, which is completely inhospitable for the most part, and the Dark Elf houses are hostile towards the Aldmeri Dominon, as are the Argonians which are clearly fighting them.
>There is no fucking way a decent force could attack Skyrim via land
>Even if they could, it'd be hard to move a force through the mountains without being severely weakened, and then getting absolutely fucked by guerilla warfare from the Stormcloak forces

>Next is via the sea
>Good chance of getting fucked up in the sea of ghosts
>Northern coast is too far from the Summerset Isles to move a sizeable invasion force

>>384631301
>>but muh geography
You know that played a large part in pre-gunpowder warfare right?

>ES6
>Thalmor have conquared Tamerial
>Game set on Akavir and follows the Thalmor led Tamerial invasion of it

>>384631814
GTA V predicted both Trump and Hillary.

>>384631883
But the Empire would probably collapse afterwards. The only province left is Cyrodiil and High Rock (Morrowind has never counted). Trade routes and communication between the Bretons and Imperials are probably going to get fucked since they would either have to go through

1. War-torn Skyrim that hates the Empire
2. A huge ass fucking desert

I'm pretty sure they would leave the Empire shortly afterwards, leaving Cyrodiil for themselves.
Part of me wishes the Empire to just die off already, but in times like these it is better to stay united.

>you're allowed to challenge kings to single combat in Skyrim
>but the player isn't allowed to challenge the Jarls to single combat to claim their thrones
So much wasted potential

>>384632131
There is absolutely no reason for the Thalmor to attack Akavir.

>>384631784
It's literally a fact that he shouted him to death, Ulfric doesn't deny that. You think powers given to men out of pity by a dragon defector and a goddess, because they felt pity for them isn't cuck dragon magic?

>>384632131
>TES VI: Black Marsh
>aftermath of argonian niggers overrunning morrowind

>>384631301
Fuck off nigger those are all legitimate arguments.
HOWEVER i don't believe for a second that any of those factors would stop the Thalmor, sure they would slow down the Thalmor maybe even long enough for ulfric to create and tain a proper army but make no mistake the Thalmor would show up at some point and when they did skyrim would be fucked.

>>384632415
>It's literally a fact that he shouted him to death, Ulfric doesn't deny that.
No, Ulfric himself says he just knocked him down with a shout, then stabbed him in the heart with his sword. All he did was fus ro dah and exploit the ragdoll. It's exactly what the player does all the time.

>>384632330
They're an exponsionist people.

>Using magic is cheating
>Imperials who lost their war to Magic wielding elves

really makes a man think honestly

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>>384632415
It's Tonal Architecture, muthsera.

>>384630329
How is using shouts cheating?

>>384632498
Remember, the Aldmeri Dominion is still rebuilding their armies, they probably don't have a full invasion force yet.
However, in MK lore those fuckers have some really advanced technology.
Like Reman Cyrodiil advanced. Which means a good enough invasion force would absolutely obliterate fucking everyone

>>384632469
>argonian niggers
Orcs are TES version of niggers.
Argonians are more like Spics if you ask me

>>384632582
They want to unmake reality. You don't need Akavir for that. And every Akavir expedition failed, no reason to repeat history when you are just going to blow up the world anyways.

>>384632021
>>You know that played a large part in pre-gunpowder warfare right?

Yeah but the Aldmer are fucking turbo wizards. They can quite literally blow up mountains to make way.

it's not like the Empire trying to assault Akavir, an Altmer fleet could just go around the entirety of high rock or the Telvanni islands unopposed, or simply fly over there. They're wizards.

this is what Skyrim didn't even try to convey, the empire has resources we never see like spaceships, god-tier battlemages and a reality-erasing mecha. And the war still took the empire within an inch of it's life.

Skyrim has a faggot that can only do one of the shouts, a hero who most certainly fucked off, and a bunch of cannon fodder soldiers.Even if you assume the dragonborn fights, he will be too busy having fights with Altmer wizards while the rest of the Thalmor conquers at leisure.

>>384632237
You just stated the Empire consists of Cyrodil and High Rock.
That isn't an Empire that is an alliance.
The Empire isn't dying it is dead.

>>384633003
There is still Skyrim. If they become independent chances are High Rock will cut all ties with Cyrodiil in favor for Hammerfell, which is closer and, you know, not dying. And then Skyrim later on.

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>>384630907
Whoever made this post is completely wrong since they believe the intent of the Thalmor is to fully invade and occupy Skyrim, it is not, all they need is to reach the Tower (Throat of the World) and do whatever they do to deactivate it, breaking through Cyrodiil and passing through the Rift already puts them in a striking distance. It is also why the Dominion army reached the White-Gold Tower during the Great War but went no further, their main objective was complete the moment they set foot there, it is also why they wanted southern hammerfell, so they could have an staging ground for the race to Ada-Mantia

Without the Empire, Skyrim IS doomed, the entire Thalmor plan needs the Empire weakened so they can reach the other provinces and deactivate the towers there, that's the entire point.

>>384632826
Akavir is some fucked up shit, it's not merely a landmass with different races. There are hints of it being from a different kalpa, or past/future version of Tamriel or some shit. The very act of staying on Akavir seems to lead to death.

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>tfw no lewd Argonian maid qt to fuck all night

>>384632469
>the game features lots of Dunmer with sidecuts and pink hair saying that Argonians are people of peace

>>384633137
They probably need to reach Ada-Mantia, the Throat of the World and the Heart of Lorkhan/Red Mountain. Those are the main ones.

>>384632915
Get the Bretons on board just to blunt the "Muh Magic" nonsense.
They don't have to fight they simply have to be a counter point to wanton faggotry.

>>384632805
Or gypsies given how they always have their hand in someone elses pocket

>>384633139
And this is why there is no reason to Akavir. And also why a game in Akavir won't work.

>>384633137
Deactiviting towers accomplish shit if they don't remove Talos. They still need to kill all men, because most of the towers aside from Direnni Tower never really served a purpose. So a full scale invasion of Skyrim and High Rock is still required for their plans.

>>384632690
>>384630329
>>384630206

I really wish we had more exposition on that duel. I mean apparently Ulfric sucks with the voice, BUT apparently he is good enough to end a duel and be considered cheating.

>>384633332
thats the kajiit

Dindu nuffin

>>384633384
Ada-Mantia might be the first Tower but I still think the Heart of Lorkhan is more important. I mean, it's fucking Lorkhan, their main enemy.
>This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other.
You kill the Heart, you kill Mundus. Just have to figure out how to do that.
Also, the Throat of the World is where Men originally came from, they'll probably have interest in that.

>>384633352
Exactly, it basically just serves as a dumpster for demigod MCs since those are too inconvenient for the plot. Maybe Dragonborn will join the Nerevarine there.

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So is he actually the Hero of Kvatch or not?

>>384629452

he allowed himself to get captured.

>>384633137
Tiber has CHIM the ultimate lore armor.
The Hist know about Talos.Good luck dealing with those apocalypse dodging fuckers.

MKs bullshit has piled so high he needs a backhoe to dig out of it.His own rules make his own lore unworkable.

>>384633606
The Dragonborn probably became Herma-Mora's sex slave forever. The Event ended, the Wheel isn't turned to him anymore, he has zero influence on Tamriel.
That nigga is dead.

>>384633396
Sucks in comparison to the dragon born, among regular people using a shout in a 1 v 1 duel is bringing a gun to a sword fight

>>384633601
The Heart doesn't do shit anymore, neither does Lorkhan. Talos is what's holding Mundus together, and humanity is what's holding Talos together.

>>384633684
We still are not sure what the exact meaning of CHIM is.
The common interpretation is console command god powers but it could also simply be a state of nirvana or some Buddha shit where you realize you are in the Dream.

>>384629452

Execute the traitor. He let the High King's murder escape.

DEATH TO ULFRIC STORMCLOAK!

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>>384633141
>he hasn't modded
oh boy

>>384633656
I like to imagine no matter the gender or race of the Hero they get morphed into a crazy old man

>>384633656
It is 100% maybe.
If you became Sheo yes if you didn't it is no.
The only thing that is canon is someone did.

>>384633656
Yes.

>>384633419
aren't Argonians hated for the same reasons the cats are? (Thieves pickpockets drug addicts)
If not why do people dislike argos again?
Its been a while since i booted up Skyrim

>>384633971
Because they are an entire race of slave drones controlled by trees and they live in a swamp.
And they fucked the Dres and Telvanni up, the Dunmer are still pissed at that.

>>384633601
The heart was destroyed and nothing happened.

Pretty sure the heart is more of a Breath of life effect. That is why its users became near gods and after its destruction the shard make living ash monster things.

The throat is likely where Romans and Russians barbarian humans came into that world.

Regardless we will likely never know more about the heart since the Argonians threw a shitbomb at it.

>>384633684
>Ultimate lore armor
There's 5 fucking equivalents to CHIM, it's not the end all be all, it's merely a step towards the goal Lorkhan pushed everyone towards by creating Mundus (Amaranth).

>>384633601
After the Red Year and the events of Morrowind I don't think Red Mountain is that useful anymore, Ada-Mantia is where all the Divines convened for the creation of Mundus and later for the judgement of Lorkhan though, it is the end game for sure.

>>384633779
Mundus and humanity existed long before Talos m8

>>384629452
I don't into ES lore, are the Nords fans of restoration magic? They sperg the fuck out whenever mages break out the fireballs and necromancy, but I never hear NPCs bitching about someone casting heal or purge undead or a ward, not even hardcore stormcloaks. Is this Bethesda forgetting their own lore, or is it accurate?

>>384633829
Yes CHIM has always been a Macguffin for MK to protect Vivec.
I believe that is why C0DAfags push the Arcturuian Heresy as a way to deCHIM Tiber without deCHIMming the lore.

>>384634106
Only the Heart's enchantment was destroyed, not the Heart itself. Not sure if that was enough to deactivate the Stone, though.
And the Romans and Russians are pretty much every human except the Redguards, remember the Bretons are all Ayleid rape babies.

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>>384634054
Kek
Based lizardbros

>>384634268
I push the Arcturian Heresy because it makes stuff more interesting. It's old lore and MK actually hates it.

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>People unironically side with stupid ice niggers
>People unironically think Ulfric isn't a selfish prick who keeps Windhelm a slum on purpose

>>384634121
Yeah I don't really follow MKs fanfic so I will take your word for it.

>>384634219
The Fourth Era nords are pissed off at magic because of the Oblivion Crisis and the Winterhold Collapse. Healing magic is still common, there is a temple full of healers in Whiterun.
Also that one Collage sperg saying that "restoration isn't a real magic school" is just paranoid.

>>384633829
All of reality is a gods dream. You are not real. But you can lucid dream and make yourself real (ascended sleepers). Or even Control the dream itself. Which nobody can prove or disprove because You can't know if your the dream or the dreamer unless you dream. CHIM is a mess.

>>384634357
Kirkbride was the one who wrote Arcturian Heresy, he does consider one of the worst pieces of lore he wrote though

>>384634121
>>384634426
Not equivalents to CHIM but other ways to become a god. Someone can still Mantle without realizing they are part of the Dream, the CoC is an example.

>>384634126
That's not how time works in TES friend. Once you reach godhood, things aren't as simple as past, present, future. It's the same deal how Vivec didn't kill Nerevar, even though he literally did. Talos made himself the very anchor of reality, and he himself is maintained by the worship/belief/existence of mankind. The Altmer NEED to kill humans, and wipe the very idea of them from existence, on top of destroying the towers.

>>384634524
Yep. I think he tried rewriting it one time though. Look up "Betrayal".
Or don't.

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>>384633884
My man, no mods can ever give you the feeling of pulling hard on your lizard qt's tail and hearing her squeak
No mods can ever give you the satisfaction of filling up her lizard womb with human cum
No mod can make you hear the sound of your balls slapping up against her fat lizard booty as you rail her form behind
No mod will be able to give you the feeling of forcing her scaly head down and making her choke on your throbbing dick

>>384634467
Also, what are the best mods to make restoration more fun? I like the idea of making a Nordic shaman-type character who uses a big ass 2hander for offense and restoration magic for defense/support, but vanilla restoration is boring as fuck

>>384634798
I dunno, haven't played Skyrim in years and there are a shitzillion overhaul mods out there.

>>384632915
>spaceships, god-tier battlemages and a reality-erasing mecha
Source? looks interesting as fuck

>>384634126
Except the Mountain is spewing heartstones. Meaning the heart is still kicking or is power it acquirable.

Since the Thalmor know about Talos won't they have to kill themselves to "remove him from the possible"?
As long as there is one sentient being could worship him he remains possible.

>>384633757
Then why shouting at the regular bandit does nothing?

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>>384634753
http://www.wildlifeanimalcontrol.com/alligatorcatch.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bestiality_in_the_United_States

>>384634121
But becoming a god is the end all be all. Talos erased jungles from Cyrodiil, Vivec rewrote his own history and the history of the dunmer people, and Mannimarco became the antithesis of Arkay.
Becoming a god is the ultimate lore armor, they can't be touched in any way and if you manage to either piss them off or make them care then you're screwed/overpowered.

>>384634913
Try Hindu Mysticism.
It is only missing the mecha part (I think)

>>384635023
The Altmer are also ignorant of the dream, so their plans are ultimately worthless. A single aware dreamer can maintain Mundus.

>>384634913
Here is some

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Aldmeri_Dominion
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Arena_Supermundus

Reman Empire and the Dominion have spaceships and mananauts that travel to Aetherius. The Dominion have regular ships that basically shoot lasers and the Empire used to have a space station (Battlespire). The mecha is Numidium, and the lore about him is confusing as hell.
There is a lot more in MK lore, if you are interested.

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>>384635164

>>384633971

Argonians are hated because they're creepy hiveminded freaks

>>384635023
Making people forget about him/Denying him worship works just fine, I think.

>>384635182
>tfw my boy Manni managed to become a fucking moon

He actually did it, the absolute madman

>>384630376
Uninstall wizard

>>384635094
Because game mechanics vs lore faggot. Why does no one shit? Why do people go from potatos to adults with no inbetween? Game mechanics are limited, and you're expected to suspend your disbelief.

>>384635182
>they can't be touched in any way
Yeah because Lorkhan totally didn't die or anything. Or the ALMSIVI. Or Trinimac. Or dragons.

>>384632915
>>384632915
Aldmer are not that powerful anymore. Yes they were. But now they are only 1//10th as powerful as they were. The empire walked over their infighting inbred asses way the fuck back.

They are literally inbreeding themselves into being weaker elves. They are the redneck of magical elves, which is nuts since they are the strongest magical race.

>>384635702
They are still pretty advanced in MK lore

>>384635670
Nirn is Lorkhan, the false dunmer gods were not gods to begin with, Trinimac was merely transformed, Alduin can't be killed.

>>384635702
>Aldmer are not that powerful anymore. Yes they were. But now they are only 1//10th as powerful as they were. The empire walked over their infighting inbred asses way the fuck back.

yeah and the empire was immensely powerful and is basically beat back into the ancient age.

an independent Skyrim would be so ridiculously weak even the Orcs could gain independence from it next.

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Rorikstead.. I'm from Roriskstead

>>384630206
>1v1 mlg pro lockout
>he uses the lag switch
ITS FAIR BRO YOU WANTED 1V1

>>384635942
Shut up, nobody likes you.

>>384635851
Its a constant in fantasy writing to avoid technological advances.

Welp the empire of ____ was destroyed, back to the dark ages.

>No option to install Balgruuf as High King
He's literally the only competent Jarl. He's perfect, he's neither a cuck, nor a retard.

I wish the Elder Scrolls games dealt more with the cosmic stuff.
The day to day stuff on Tamerial is pretty generic fantasy. Humans, elves, orcs, beast races. Empires and Kingdoms fighting each other with sword and bow and fireballs. The occasional monster needing to be slayed.
You could stick it next to any one of a dozen popular fantasy settings out there and you wouldn't see the different.
But when you get into the cosmic/religious stuff the setting really starts to come into its own.

>>384633396
From my understanding, Ulfric knock the High King down by using the weakest version of unrelenting shout and then stab him while he was trying to get up.
I could be wrong, but didn't someone in the game say that Torygg admired Ulfric and may have very well have Skyrim succeed from the Empire if he was just asked?

Who thought it was OK to make shouts so goddamned useless in this game?
>here's a bunch of special spells that do way less damage than your normal spells and have outrageously long cooldowns so they can only be used as OHKO "unfuck my shit now pls" nukes that they're too weak to actually be used as
>the rest have absurdly specific effects that will never be useful
I think the only two that are ever ever worth using are marked for death and unrelenting force. The rest suck balls. Major disappointment considering how important they're supposed to be. Fuck you, Todd.

>>384636102
His children are all fucking terrible though

Can you imagine what those little shits will do once they get their hands on actual power?

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>>384635942
>go to rorikstead
>no one knows who he is or talks about him
QUALITY
BETHESDA
WORLD-BUILDING

>>384636205
Buddy, their age is in the single digits. They have all the time in the world to change.

>>384635784
That due to them being the current world threat that requires no actual visible work. Carries more weight in writing too.

THE TOWN OF WINTERHOLD IS DESTROYED!

But playing the game you know winterhold is like 5 sheds.

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>>384636141
I just wished they made a full-on science fantasy game set in the Reman Empire with spaceships, long distance magic communication, gay cyborgs, fabricants and laser guns and motherfucking Reman turning into a giant fucking golem and biting people's heads off.
Never happening though.
Also everything I listed is legit canon.

>>384636191
Yes, Sybille in the Blue Palace tells the whole story.

Torygg pretty much idolized Ulfric.

>>384636210
Proving that he was secretly a member of the psijic order send to check the first appearance of Alduin.

deepest lore.

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>>384629452
If this fucker had waited a while he would have survived.

>>384636569
>human
>psijic order
found a plot hole

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>>384636347
Way to go Ulfric ya fucking asshole

>>384630206
The whole fucking thing is gay. A nord without honor cannot get Sovngarde. There was literally no choice. If you kill Ulfric and go to fight Alduin you can talk to him in Sovngarde. He literally admits that what he did was fucked and wrong and you can talk to the King who's name escapes me who says that he didn't have a choice but to accept or he literally would not make it into Sovngarde. The only reason Ulfric got into Sovngarde was because he once was a great warrior who fought for the people rather than his own ambition.

People who try to defend him are really fucking retarded considering it's explicitly stated BY HIMSELF that he was in the wrong.

>>384636340
You mean warhammer 40K?

>>384636347
>Yes, Sybille in the Blue Palace tells the whole story.
>Torygg pretty much idolized Ulfric.
And to me, this makes the duel less about Skyrim's independence and more about Ulfric making a cold, blooded powergrab.
That fact that he used the Voice to do so and betrayed everything the graybeards stood for is icing on the cake.

>>384636608
He just looked human because magic.

>>384630329
>>384631638
>>384632415
>dedicate years of his life to study Thu'um
>not allowed to use it to defend himself
Wat

>>384636210
That was my first disappointment with Skyrim that they hadn't thought of that.

>>384636647
Yeah but in TES.
>>384636642
>a nord without honor cannot get Sovngarde
That's fucking bullshit, you just get a test to enter the Hall of Heroes, everyone else can wander Sovngarde. You don't even need to be a Nord for it to happen, and I'm not talking about the player character, it has happened before in TES.

>>384636201
I only ever used marked for death
Shit pretty much turned sponges into glass

>>384632021
Can you explain to me why are the Dunmer hostile against the AD?

>>384636201
>>384636867

the fire breath spell is actually damn good against dragons and undead and that's the thing you have to deal with the most to the point of annoyance.

stealth archer with fire breath finisher kills anything.

>>384636191
Yeah i think the underlying message was that he wanted Ulfric to win and control Skyrim. But Ulfric used the Voice to show off and try and get some sweet dragonborn praise. But it backfired and they underestimated how dedicated skyrim really was to the empire.

Plus Ulfric is a dick. anyone with a spine would hate just talking to his whiny ass.

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>>384636867
>Going into Markarth and blasting everyone off the ledges with unrelenting force

>>384636678
Even fucking Laila the jarl of riften, one of the shittiest jarls in the game, knows all Ulfric cares about is the throne.

His own supporters think he's a terrible person, it really makes you think doesn't it?

>>384629690
>>384629734
I'm not even a witcher fan, but one thing that impressed me in the witcher 3 was when a witch was about to be burned alive, there was no quest warning or anything. I killed the niggas and freed her/him. That shit was super cool, more games should do that.

>>384636201
Dragonrend and Clear Skies were the only ones I ever used because fuck dragons and fuck the College of Winterhold for literally snowing all the goddamned time.

>>384636678
Greybeards are bitches, who cares what they think.

>>384636803
Tell ot to the all the NPCs who don't know that. Ulfric was a fucking idiot and admits as such.

>>384637270
>masters of an ancient tonal architecture Aka magicks that can fuck Time up and reshape reality
>lmao lets only use it for worship
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>384635308
Pls give, why is this shit never in the games

>>384637451
At the core of it they're right though - wanton use of the Voice is what made the gods take it away from them and it's incredibly dangerous. They've also grown so powerful that they can barely speak without seriously fucking shit up. The knowledge of the Voice should be kept and preserved but its use is dangerous, so they don't use it.

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>>384637451
TFW you kill Paarthurnax and the Greybeard have nothing left to live for.

>>384637657
Because Todd hates you.

>>384637684
Or they could use it to make Tamriel a better place. Like, you know, stopping a bunch of elves that want to unmake fucking reality

>>384637451
They used the Voice for war for centuries until the Dwemer/Chimer BTFO the nords hard enough they had to stop using it otherwise the gods would get mad as fuck

>>384637657
>why is this shit never in the games
It's not in Oblivion and Skyrim. It's in the games before them, and in the modern games, but in those it's not as overt. Bethesda realized people would rather have generic Romans, Vikings and dragons so they put that at the forefront and the actual cool worldbuilding shit in the back for you to look at in books.

>>384637684
Oh shit
Is that why only the one graybeard talks to you?
Never thought of that

>>384637842
>It's in the games before them,
I don't remember any space stuff or mechas in daggerfall tho.

>>384637852
>Is that why only the one graybeard talks to you?
Yeah, that one is the youngest and least trained of the greybeards.

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There's a fire by my house and the charred landscape reminded me of dlcstheim

>>384637852
>Is that why only the one graybeard talks to you?
>Never thought of that
He literally tells this to you when you meet him.

>>384637684
No they were really just power hunger arrogant assholes. If they really gave to fucks about preserving the Voice or were really that powerful. They would have looks for or at least had the dragon wall locations. AND they would have delt with all the undead, and dragon priests using the voice all nilly willy.

Honestly they were just idiot tricked into listening to a lonely old dragon in exchange for a tiny bit of power.

>>384637852
Arngeir literally tells you that m8, if the others speak the entire place can fall apart, just look at how they summoned Tiber

>Soon the Greybeards made known that they were restless. Already the storms had begun from their murmurs. The Greybeards were going to Speak. The surrounding villages were abandoned as the people fled the coming blast.
>"The villagers warned Talos to turn back, for he was marching to the mountain where the Greybeards dwelt.
>"Inside he went, and on seeing him they removed their gags. When they spoke his name the World shook.

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>>384637939
that's great
>>384637985
It's been like 2 years since I last talked to the graybeards gimme a break anon

>>384637757
How would they know about that? They've isolated themselves from the world to achieve enlightenment, and even if they knew, the affairs of regular men aren't their concern and there's no way anyone knows the Thalmor's true motives.

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>Thalmor are supposed to be huge assholes, but their treaty with the Empire gives them free reign to be assholes
>The repercussions for killing them is essentially the same as bandits
>Quest where you murder an entire fort of them to save one Stormclock sympathizer
>No penalty
>Main quest to bust into their embassy and kill some more of them
>No Penalty
>Mages guild quest has you up against a Thalmor guy trying to take control of a powerful artifact
>Rather than having the Thalmor step in and demand ownership of said artifact, you're allowed to just kill him
>No penalty

I feel like more people would be Stormcloak supporters if the Thalmor was actually a pain in the ass. The whole downside of supporting the Empire is that, for now, they'd have to continue to put up with the Thalmor's bullshit. But there is no bullshit on the player's end; you can kill as many Thalmor as you like and no one cares.

>>384637757
>Like, you know, stopping a bunch of elves that want to unmake fucking reality
Don't the Thalmor need to get to the Throat of the World in order to unmake reality?>>384633137
Good luck trying to do that considering what the greybreads are capable of.

>>384638143
I imagine losing people in a country waging civil war is not unexpected.

>>384638143
To be fair they're fucking despised by every human in the game, especially the Nords, who happen to be everywhere. No shit a Nord's not gonna care that you kill an elf. Even other elves hate the Thalmor. They just don't have the influence to enforce their bullshit in Skyrim. If the game was in Cyrodiil again there'd be consequences for fucking with them.

>>384638045
I wish shouts reflected this power in game.
>Alduin only knows 3 shouts and they all suck

>>384637270
Shouldn't your head be in a thalmor wheelbarrow, bladecuck?

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>>384637657
Just remember this is MK lore so shit gets weird. Fast. I'll skip anything C0DA too.

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/tiber-septim%E2%80%99s-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless
>Sload spaceships
http://c0da.es/t/kinmune
>9th Era space mining robots
https://aurbis.c0da.es/ayrenn/ayrenn.pdf
>space robots turn into elves
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept
>Memospores, Dreamsleeve and the Towers and shit
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-hatta-sphinxmoth-inquiry-tree
>part 2
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/dominion-prism-textract
>Thalmor and the Dreamsleeve
http://c0da.es/thotbox/7b10359a40bba7d2e654bc10226f694a68009f15
>again
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327271-return-false/#entry19959461
>Khajiit moon colonies!
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327177-tatterdemalion-the-lunar-province-of-secunda/
>More cats in space!
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1327271-return-false/
>something something nu-hatta again
http://lagbt.wiwiland.net/wikibiblio/index.php?title=The_Shonni-Etta
>Reman, weird shit
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/cosmology
>pretty much essential lore text
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/lament-pelinal
>more pelinal
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AGei8c22GsmANa-ePcJ2piYMBrej4gaQ7TdjYHUOvCY/edit
>Imperial adventures in space colonies
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
>MK's Bethesda forum posts have some space lore too

Remember that there is a lot of stuff you can find in the games too. You can find Airships in Morrowind, Redguard, Skyrim and Shadowkey. There's also the books about Pelinal. The entire Battlespire game is set in a space station. Tribunal DLC and the new ESO expansion all have cyborgs.
Look stuff up. There's tons.

Being a Vampire in this game is so shit. Not nearly as shit as it was in Oblivion, and at least in Skyrim you could either just mod or enchant shit to offset the negative effects. But it's a hassle. On the flip side there is literally no downside for being a Werewolf. You can easily overcome the limited transformation with Hircine's ring.

Also Serana was literally Molag Bal's used up cumdumpster who doesn't even regret getting fucked by him along with her mother. Why do people like her so much?

>>384637939
Is there anything that proves that he's the youngest and least trained? What makes you not think that he controls his voice the best compared to the others

>>384638190
Maybe. I think they do but there is a possibility they only need the Ada-Mantia Tower, which is in High Rock.

>>384638190
An entire army of Nords had all the shouts the Greybeard have and MORE and STILL lost to the Nerevarine at the Battle of Red Mountain.

Elves can fuck you up m8

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>>384638102
It's common lore knowledge. Just go into any lore thread and people will say the same.

>>384635851
>the empire was immensely powerfu
God. This fucking meme. Every time. From the records we have they lost almost literally every battle the fought against outside their lands. The vast amount of their wins were against themselves. Altner lost to the Dumner due to the Numidium given to them as a peace treaty because the traitor gods couldn't be asked. The only reason they conquered the Redguards (they basically didn't as when they left shit was still fucked and they were actively revolting) was because of a powerful dragon. They couldn't into the land of the lizards because muh plague. The cats we're like "okay, fags" and both left it at that. Talos was not an original spirit and is a false god. He can go get fucked, the pretender.

>>384638651
FUCK I meant Nerevar, not nerevarine.

>>384638538
When a man has sex with a sexy demon lady it's alright, but when a woman has sex with a sexy demon man it's suddenly wrong.

>>384638516
t. Thalmor agent. We all know that it's in the Thalmor's best interests that usage of the Thu'um be suppressed so that the nords are as weak as possible

>>384630329
>Ulfric cheated by using shouts

Is it cheating to use a shout to kill draugr?

>>384638717
It was powerful. Like, in the First Era.

>>384638651
Nerevar and the Tribunal were no regular elves.

>>384633137
>>384638190
>>384638624
What are these towers everyone keeps talking about?

>>384637657
Because it's written by an autistic low-level writer who clearly wants to be writing retarded 40k fluff text instead of world building for a grounded high fantasy setting.

Why were a couple old humans better at shouting than the dragons themselves?

>>384638837
Because Bethesda sucks shit at making games.

>>384638812
Read this up

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/tower

>"The Tower is an ideal, which, in our world of myth and magic, means that it is so real that it becomes dangerous."
They are what's keeping Mundus from destabilizing itself and fucking everything up and going back to the Dawn Era. They can also be used to reshape reality and shit, but its not their main purpose

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Why were all the faction quests in Oblivion so much better than the ones in Skyrim?

>>384639146
I don't remember the fighters guild in oblivion being that interesting

>>384638412

>"A single man just stormed one of our keeps, killing over thirty soldiers and freeing all the prisoners, including people who would take up arms against the Empire"
>"Eh, it happens."

No, I'd say it's pretty unexpected.

>>384638419

I dunno, I feel like it'd make the choice much more interesting. Yes, they're despised. The Empire hates them, the Nords hate them, but the whole difference is that the Empire has agreed to their demands while the Stormcloaks are fighting so that they don't have to. At the very least, as long as the Empire is in control killing a Stormcloak officer should have the same penalty as murder.

>>384639146
Because Ken Rolston and Mark Nelson still hadn't left Bethesda.

>>384639146
What the hell happened to the Fighters Guild? I know the Mages one was disbanded but we never get any information at all about the FG don't we?

>>384639340
No, not really. They are probably still around, but I'm pretty sure they are funded by the Empire so they are probably weaker now.

>>384639340
I believe they said that it simply doesn't have any influence in Skyrim because the Nords favor the Companions

Aela the Huntress is best Skyrim girl and there's nothing wrong with being a werewolf. In general the Companions had best girls and also boys.

These threads make me want to try Skyrim again, so I do and then an hour in I remember it's a shit game.

>>384636102
>>No option to install Balgruuf as High King
>He's literally the only competent Jarl. He's perfect, he's neither a cuck, nor a retard.

The main problem is that he doesn't want to be High King. The best outcome would be if Balgruuf married Elisif the Fair and took the High Kingship and declared Skyrim loyal to the Empire and repudiating the White-Gold Concordat.

>>384639621
Fuck off Hircine cucks

What is more aesthetic: ebony or dragonbone armor?

Is ESO worth jumping into? Assuming you don't plan spend money on microtransactions/subscriptions.

>>384639705
Ebony.

>>384639621
Isn't she literally destined to have sex with wolves after she dies?

>>384639671
>declared Skyrim loyal to the Empire and repudiating the White-Gold Concordat.
Pick one

>>384639705
Dragonbone ebony mod but if you have to choose between the two then ebony is still the best.

>>384639768
She's going to be gangbanged by wolves, bears, mammoths and all other kinds of beasts 24/7 while Skjor(and the Dragonborn if you're a lover of used goods and marry her) watch

Are there any towers in Black Marsh?

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>>384639940
This is the most aesthetic armor mod

>>384640004
Very unlikely. The closest thing would be the Hist itself.

>>384636201
Lightening shout whatever it was called was good because it'll keep striking an enemy as long as they're alive.

>>384639717
I fucked around in it solo for some time and it's a decent experience, nothing special really but if you really want some more elder scrolls it's worth the admission

>>384640004
Not that we know of, people speculate endlessly that the Hist is a tower but there are a lot of evidence pointing towards "No"

>>384640034
>This is the most aesthetic armor mod

It looks like garbage. It looks like it is made of latex for the LARP field. It looks like the designers have no clue about how armour actually fits on the body.

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Now that the dust has settled, how do they compare against the modders' designs?

>>384640116

>the Dominion manages to destroy all the towers except one
>they wonder where it is until they are surprised by kaiju-sized argonians wrecking their shit

would be a nice ending desu

>>384640034
That one is pretty nice too but I was mainly thinking of the one where it's the default dragonbone armor but all the exposed pieces of it were filled in by ebony. Good taste though.

>>384640243
They don't need to destroy all Towers, though. Most of them were copies made by the Aldmer.
Though I imagine the Argonians and the Hist will play a major role in the future against the Thalmor. They probably have the only army right now to actually face them.

>>384640034
>Those little baby dragon skulls on the gauntlets.

>>384640206
Everything but the 2hs suck cock.

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>>384638518
>skip anything C0DA
>posts a bunch of links from the c0la site and mkuckbride roleplaying on the forums
>almost none of this shit is actually in the games and is soft canon at best

>>384640034
>those tiny dragon skulls

Did you go around Skyrim hunting for baby dragons you sick fuck?

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>>384640206
>bethesda design
>comparing to modder design
>ever
lmao
also that two handed warhammer is a fucking dildo

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I wish Skyrim had more summons. Playing through Oblivion again I forgot how many things you can summon. You could even summon a fucking Lich.

>>384640528
>you could even summon a fucking Lich
how does that even make sense

>>384640360
>>384640452
What if they're actually argonian skulls?

>>384629690
If you join the Stormcloaks and never go to Solitude until the battle for it you can save him

>>384640579
More likely its this
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Dragonling

>>384640569
It just works

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>>384640528

>>384640759
Of course.

>>384640759
Lewd mods on daedra actually make sense

>>384630525
>Stormcloaks' hearts are in the right place, but they're just going to get steamrolled by the Aldmeri Dominion.

The problem is actually whether or not Cyrodiil could survive without the soldiers from Skyrim. The Dominion would lose if they tried to invade Skyrim.

The Dominion armies are all on border of Cyrodiil. They'd have to be redeployed using the fleet, around the Highrock and through the Sea of Ghosts. A hazardous journey. Then they'd have to seize a port to land a fleet that big. Either Solitude or Windhelm. Dawnstar is too small. Solitude is a fortress and they'd see the ships coming from the heights. Windhelm is even further away and the fleet would be more vulnerable in the river estuary. It's freezing, the mountain passes are ideal for defense, it's far for the fleet to travel.

If the Dominion invaded Skyrim, the Empire would declare war too. The Dominion would be fucked with precious resources deployed to Skyrim, the Empire winning in Elsweyr due to local superiority, privateers operating out of High Rock would cut off supplies to the Dominion in Skyrim. It would be a clusterfuck.

The best thing the Dominion could do is attack Cyrodiil while Skyrim is out of the picture due to the civil war. Then after defeating the Empire, it could turn against Skyrim. But I find ridiculous the idea that the people and jarls of Skyrim would allow a victorious Ulfric to stay out of the war. Skyrim will fight in the 2nd Great War no matter who is in charge.

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>>384639940
Are you talking about this mod? That's pretty damn aesthetic
>Dragonbone armor turns you into a weird noodle man whose torso is 1.5x as long as it should be
How many re-releases will it take for Todd to fix this?

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>>384640759

Post Skyrim sluts.

>>384640934
Yes actually! That's probably my favorite endgame armor mod.

>>384640492
>2handed warhammer is a dildo
I like it, in an odd sort of way.
>Make me a warhammer out of this dragon's skeleton
>
>
>
>Well, it's femur is still intact, I guess...

>>384640904
>the Empire winning in Elsweyr due to local superiority
What? How? And does the Empire really have an army large enough to prevent the Thalmor from reaching Skyrim (or at least stalling/flanking them) while defending the southern border in Valenwood and Anequina?

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>>384641024
No, I'll post best girl instead.

>>384640934
Is there any mod that adds Ebony armor similar to Morrowind? With the gold ornaments and aesthetic?

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>>384639621
>In general the Companions had best girls and also boys.

More like it had the dumbest girls and boys

>Harbinger ask some witches for great power
>surprise, surprise gets cursed to become a werewolf
>gets all pissed off
>turns all members of the circle into werewolves too for some reason
>this goes on for decades
>nobody ever thought "you know, maybe we should stop transforming people as a requirement and let normal folk take over the guild"

All they had to do was stop for a few seconds and think it through, why are nords so fucking dumb?

>>384641326
>Harbinger ask some witches for great power
Fucking retard should have stopped there

So I fell for the memes and installed Requiem, and now every archer in the game 1shots me. How do I play this shit without being railroaded into le ebin stealth archer build as a counter?

>>384641249
There's retextures that give the ebony armor gold ornaments to give the Skyrim ebony armor that feel but no remakes of the Morrowind ebony armor to my knowledge

>>384641572
Uninstall requiem

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>>384641435
>guild know for prizing physical strength, willpower and determination has to ask mage users for a shortcut

You can't make this shit up

>>384641572
Uninstall Requiem because it's shit and uninstall Skyrim because it's shit.

>>384641184
>ancient dragon attacks village
>NEVER SHOULD OF COME HERE
>she runs up and tries to fight it with her pickaxe
>dragon looks over, an amused twinkle in his eye
>roasts her with firebreath
>I YIELD, I YIELD
>she dies like a bitch
love you bae

>>384641831
>people actually had to make mods to make npcs run away from fucking dragons
Thanks Todd

People always shit on high elves but at least they have ambition and the power to acheive their goals
Wood elves are so fucking backwards and shitty they have to suck the dick of a superior race to they'll let them join their possy

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>>384641024
I'm replaying the game now. This is my character. She is a pure imperial who kills stormcloaks for a living.

>>384641956
Yeah but people always shit on the Bosmer too

>>384641991
That's Hawke.

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>>384634753

>>384641695
>>384641729
But I was told that Requiem was the best combat overhaul mod available

>>384642001
While the bosmer are faggots at least they embraced the new world where elves are no longer super magic demi gods. They are trying to carve a new place for elves while all other elves (minus orcs) have regressed.

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>>384642468
Just read the UESP article

>>384642468
Toad necromancers that live in underwater cities

>>384641119
>What? How? And does the Empire really have an army large enough to prevent the Thalmor from reaching Skyrim (or at least stalling/flanking them) while defending the southern border in Valenwood and Anequina?

Both armies are lined up on the border facing each other. In the last Great War, both sides were bled white due to heavy casualties. The Dominion is desperate to keep the civil war going because the mer don't reproduce or mature as quickly as men. Men can replace the losses. Since the Great War, at least one generation of fighting age men has matured and are ready to fight, and maybe even produced sons of their own. Any war fought to a standstill where both sides lose lots of people leaves a demographic hole in mer populations and they can't catch up to men.

The Empire doesn't have to deploy Imperial troops to a free Skyrim. They can let the Dominion land, leaving the southern sea lanes open for the Imperial navy, which could raid Dominion coasts or redeploy to Hammerfell or High Rock ports to conduct raids against the fleet supplying the Dominion forces in Skyrim.

Attacking Skyrim would split the Dominion forces in two. The Dominion is already weaker than it was before the Great War. Its armies in Elsweyr would be left even more weak and would face the full brunt of the Imperial forces. It's a grand strategic blunder.

>>384629690
Can't you just kill everyone trying to kill him? I'm pretty sure I've done it a few times.

>>384630329
>using Shouts
>cheating

Is it also cheating to use his skills with a sword if they're superior?

>>384629452
>that one video of the dude saving him from execution
>dies anyways right after because it's a scripted event

Shit was good

>>384632690
>>384636745
>>384638790
>>384642930
>Challenge person to a fight
>Pull out a crossbow and shoot them
I bet you stormfags think that'd be fine too

>>384642845
No. Unless you use console commands, the game teleports him to a test cell and kills him.

>>384630593
why not let the greybears be high kings? :)
at least none of them sleep very soundly for a murderer

>Alduin comes back and starts reviving all dragons
>conveniently pauses his mission for an untold amount of months for the scrub Dragonborn to level his combat stats
how considerate of him

>>384633137
This. StormCloak fans are literal niggers who nothing about the lore besides "lol empire tried to kill me".

>>384643214
He's an idiot but isn't it his destiny to ultimately succeed? He could just be very lazy.

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>>384643127
>using your body in a fight is equivalent to using a weapon in a fight
>challenge a person to a 1v1 fight to the death using their personal skills and arsenal
>person accepts challenge
>loses because the other person has a better set of skills and arsenal

You must be powerfully retarded.

>>384643327
nigga's probably just getting his dick wet in some of that newly awakened dragon puss

>>384643214
The majority of my characters have never seen a dragon because I don't continue the main quest after leaving Helgen. Dragon spawns crash my Vanilla 360 game at least once or twice a play session.

>>384643327
That probably wasn't the actual Alduin. He wasn't doing his job and instead tried to dominate mortals. That's why the Dragonborn was created, because he was fucking shit up instead of doing his job.
He'll come back some day.

>>384642468
They're ugly and they're powerful necromancers who worship Mannimarco, the most famous of them, N'gasta, was also his pupil.

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>>384643478
>Dragon spawns crash my Vanilla 360 game at least once or twice a play session.
jesus christ dude get a PC

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Ulfric was a fucking coward. Using shouts against a god damn kid in a duel, when he would have just stepped down if Ulfric asked.
His head should've been chopped asap at Helgen. Fuck Ulfric.

>>384644002
Why do you keep posting the same picture even though countless anons have already went through the trouble of picking apart every single thing?

>>384642247

combat evolved, ultimate combat and wildcat go together and are better.

>>384644002
Stormcloaks are objectively the correct choice for both the Dragonborn and Skyrim. The Empire is a murderous and oppressive regime ruling and imposing themselves over the people of Skyrim. The Dragonborn would never side with them because he has witnessed them first hand executing people without trial to prove what kind of regime they are running. So from the start it's obvious to the character that no matter what he shouldn't join them. Throughout the province he then sees the Empire working with the Elves to take prisoners for torture and death because of their religion.

The Empire is 100% unnecessary for the protection of Skyrim because the Dragonborn is a literal demigod on Nirn who invalidates the Dominion. If he destroys the Empire and then the Elves invade he and the rest of Skyrim can easily repel them as the nigs did and they didn't even have an unstoppable engine of destruction on their team.

>>384644561
you don't need to have trials for rebel soldiers

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>Got the Skyrim itch
>Downloaded a shitton of mods
>Game crashes every 2 seconds
>Went to delete local content
>Said uninstall instead
>Figured i'd uninstall and delete then reinstall
>Computer wouldn't let me delete the main folder even through CMD
>Tried reinstalling
>Game doesn't run
>I have locked myself out of Skyrim

>>384644759
Dragonborn wasn't a rebel soldier, nor were others on the wagon.

That's sort of the point of a trial, to discern the guilty form the innocent.

>>384644561
>Dragonborn is a literal demigod on Nirn who invalidates the Dominion
how does it feel to be fucking autistic

>>384644860
Good since it allows me to be right because I know more about things and can reason more particularly. It also means I can form an argument while you have none against it haha

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>>384644002
They agreed to duel. Besides, everyone knew Ulfric could Shout, it wasn't like a sucker punch or anything.

>>384644181
"Winning" by tiring.

>>384644916
Or you are a fucking retarded that doesn't know a video game setting, especially in Elder Scrolls, works

>>384644561
>who invalidates the Dominion
Quite a logical leap you did there Ulfric's cock lover.

>>384644857
it still does not matter though, does it?
dragonborn and horse thief were captured with stormcloaks and the leader of the stormcloaks. Not everyone wears a uniform, kill them and let sithis sort them out. collateral damage.

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>>384645119
>sithis

>>384645119
>sithis
Sweet summer child.

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Invading Skyrim from the sea would be big trouble. There is a ton of obstacles. The fleet would have to land at Solitude or Windhelm as soon as possible, to avoid storms coming down from the north. Haafingar, Hjalmarch, The Pale and Winterhold are not good terrain for invading, and they all block the north. The best they could hope for is to land a small contingent on the north shore of Haafingar which could sneak through the mountain passes and try to storm Solitude by surprise right before the main fleet sails into the harbour. It's a plan that would require precise planning and there is a lot that could go wrong. It would more likely fail and they'd have to storm the city and take lots of casualties and lose time. The loss would not affect the command of Skyrim because Ulfric's HQ is in Windhelm. The time it takes to take Solitude would allow the jarls to summon troops. Moving south from Solitude would mean taking the Dragonbridge crossing, not easy. Hjalmarch is horrible terrain for an army, I'd avoid it all together. Crossing the bay into the Pale would allow for the flanking of Morthal, it would fall easily. But moving out from there would require moving through tundra and fighting through easily defended mountain passes. Passing through Winterhold would suck, there isn't even anything worth capturing there.

In the Reach the Dominion could ally with the Forsworn if they could make contact, but the Reach itself is a fantastic place to defend. It's nothing but uncrossable rivers and narrow roads and passes. Lots of places to hide in ambush.

It would be easier once the Dominion broke into the open heartlands. Whiterunhold and Falkreath would fall way more easily, but getting there would be a huge bitch. The supply lines would be long and by sea cold treacherous sea. The west and northern parts of Skyrim are hugely advantageous to the Nords. They are totally ideal for impeding progress and wasting an invader's time.

>>384644561
>involving the Dragonborn in anything

He's going to disappear like every other TES protagonist mate, it's why these threads barely acknowledge him.

>>384645351
>In the Reach the Dominion could ally with the Forsworn if they could make contact
Doubtful. I know there is a number of ways for them to try to trick the Forsworn to get their support for a while but I don't see them allying with anyone, much less the elves.

>>384645524
>Doubtful. I know there is a number of ways for them to try to trick the Forsworn to get their support for a while but I don't see them allying with anyone, much less the elves.

I wouldn't bet on it either. More likely the agents they send out to find the Forsworn and talk to them would end up hagraven food. It's just a possibility.

Miraak did nothing wrong.

>>384645930
oh yeah he did, stop lying to yourself

>>384644181
Where are those countless anons and the screencaps of their posts?

How does /v/ feel about Ysolda?

>>384645028
Not an argument.

>>384645096
Not an argumnet.

>>384645119
>it still does not matter though, does it?

It certainly matters to whether or not the Dragonborn wants to support a murderous oppressive regime in Skyrim.

>>384646167
Who?

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>Cant join The Thalmor even as a high elf
>Can never become cream supreme high elf magician, ruling over human scum
>Just keep liking the generals boots

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>>384645351
Honestly Solitude wouldn't be as much of a problem since they can just knock down the cliff with magic/cannons/whatever and bring the entire city down, then park the fleet at Dawnstar and march south to Whiterun so they can link up with any army coming from the South (I'm assuming they have defeated the Imperials in this scenario)

The real problem would be Markath and Windhelm, but you can always make a siege and wait it out until everyone starves since those two holdings are terrible for farming and the like.

>>384637231
YOU COULD DO THAT? THE FUCK

>>384646167
>How does /v/ feel about Ysolda?

Best Nord waifu except for the fact that her dress is totally poorfag.

>>384646174
Just like it mattered which Great House the Nerevarine wanted to support, right.
Oh, wait. It didn't.

Dunmer/Nordic alliance when?

>>384646383
Never ever.

>I have a conspiracy I thought of concerning Lokir. When he gets scared upon realizing that he will be executed, he asks for the Divines to help him, which includes Akatosh. It is found out later in the main quest line that Alduin was created by Akatosh, and also that the dragons coming back to life is a result of Alduin awakening them. So, did Akatosh send help to Lokir by making Alduin reappear to disrupt the execution? Alduin would eventually go on to wake up the rest of the dragons. So, all things considered, did Lokir unintentionally start the dragon crisis?

>>384646252
The Whiterun merchant girl who tries to sell illegal drugs and mammoth tusks

>>384646479
>found out later in the main quest line that Alduin was created by Akatosh
Except that's wrong.

>>384646484
Oh her. Yeah she's kinda cute but not much more than that.

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You did help her, right anon?

>>384644561
the thalmor were at helgen ready to free ulfric, tullius needed to kill everyone captured so elenwyn couldnt pull any bullshit

>>384646598
I killed both her and the Alik'r. I'm not taking chances.

>>384646598
I'll get around to her quest eventually

>>384646598
lol no

>>384646598
Turned the cunt in. Thinks she can pull a knife on me and make me her bitch, fuck that.

Between Orsimer, Nords, and Redguard, which race is the superior physical fighter?

>>384646598
of course, I help any lady who requests it of me *tips fedora*

>>384646317
>Honestly Solitude wouldn't be as much of a problem since they can just knock down the cliff with magic/cannons/whatever and bring the entire city down, then park the fleet at Dawnstar and march south to Whiterun so they can link up with any army coming from the South (I'm assuming they have defeated the Imperials in this scenario)

There is a section that is totally vulnerable to collapse, and would instantly collapse by itself if it was real, but that would only take out a residential district and cut off the palace from the town. The military assets in the town would be unharmed and the fortifications would still be intact.

It would be a huge mistake though, because to get into the harbour, the only thing that makes Solitude vital to the invasion, you have to pass under the cliff. If you blow the cliff you block the harbour and ruin the whole plan.

I don't imagine that Dawnstar is big enough to land the whole army there. It would only accept a portion of the army and fleet. Once the harbour is full, any other ships would be at the mercy of storms. They'd have to be careful about how many ships are sent to take Dawnstar. However, the port would be good for supplying smaller detachments operating in the Pale, or supplying the main army in the Pale if it was ferried across from captured Solitude.

>>384644857
>Dragonborn wasn't a rebel soldier, nor were others on the wagon.

they were caught with the Osama Bin Laden of Skyrim

>That's sort of the point of a trial, to discern the guilty form the innocent.

even today a state of war means a reduction in constitutional guarantees.

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Better Discussion is
>Which Elder Scrolls had the best looking Atronachs
>Morrowind Flame Atronach
>Skyrim Frost Atronach
>Oblivion Storm Atronach

>>384646789
Orcs, probably

>>384646598
No i didn't, she was an illegal immigrant

>>384646167
>Ysolda
BARBED

>>384646598
>You did help her, right anon?

I sold her out. Much safer and faster than going into a cave on the other side of the map to fight a dozen redguards.

>>384646894
I genuinely think Skyrim had the best Atronach design.

>>384646890
>>384646654
Literally stating my point.

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>>384646479
Sometimes I think about the Dragonborn being one of the NPCs instead of the player character suddenly existing. I think Lokir would fit the bill very well, if not arrowed to death.

He'd flee with Ralof, having mixed feelings for the Stormcloaks. Proceed by alerting Balgruuf on the dragons and following his orders to see if he can wipe his name clean. Cowardly face the tombs, go back to get super scared of a dragon and, to his despair, discovering he is the Dragonborn fated to fight *The* dragon Alduin.

In the end, he'd have become less of a coward and maybe righted his ways. From horse thief at the face of death to the hero that saved Tamriel.

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>no path to destroy both factions
>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""RPG""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>384646789
Orcs > Nords > Redguards > Khajiit maybe > Everyone else

>>384646890
>even today a state of war means a reduction in constitutional guarantees.

He could have just killed Ulfric right away. Then he could even just let the rest go to spread the word of his death. When Ulfric's closest comrades arrive saying that they saw his death with their own eyes, there would be no question of it. Tullius is smalltime.

>>384647004
no you fucking idiot if tullius kills ulfric right then and there the war ends and the empire can get back to preparing for round 2 with the dominion.

>>384646598
>her story doesn't add up
>people still take her side

>>384647153
This makes sense

>>384647153
>greenniggers
lol

>>384647071
This is what RPGs really need, the hability to, at least, choose a background story for your character and not some shitty "you wake up in this place".

How can the Ebony Warrior use shouts if he's a redguard? I thought that only Nords could do this. Did he achieve CHIM and decide to tell nature's rules to go fuck themselves?

>>384647071
He would've been an adventurer, but then he took an arrow in the knee.