What if his phone had died though?

>>384612547
Joker was a chaosfag. Goro was right in everything he did.

>>384612679
>le villain was right meme
xD

>>384612679
>being a lawfag

>>384612547
What if Akechi stopped for a bathroom break and Sae didn't pass him in the hallway?

>>384612547
What if Joker's cognitive version vanished the moment Goro shot it?
What if the "dead" "policeman" didn't take more than 5 minutes to vanish for whatever reason?
What if Joker caused Sae to have a natural change of heart, destroying her palace?

>>384612679
But Chaos >>> Law

>>384613306
What if Joker and his crew just shanked the pancake fucker as soon as they all entered a Palace?

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>>384613306
>What if Joker caused Sae to have a natural change of heart, destroying her palace?
>my face when realizing they never ended up stealing Sae's heart at all
>that was never the goal of the Casino heist in the first place

>>384612547
he had an android

>>384613697
>>384613306
Does that mean Sae was still a corrupt person? Doesn't that mean she'll be just as terrible as a lawyer?

>>384613503
What if Goro placed his 200+ fully armored police squad and 12 vehicles just outside the Metaverse exit and captured them the moment they left?
What if Goro ordered the arrest of the PT at their homes after fleeing Sae's palace?

>>384613853
No, she has a change of heart afterwards

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What if you got to watch Joker get laid like in Catherine?

>>384613969
But why though? iirc, nothing significant applies to her after the interrogation. What causes her to have a change of heart afterward?

>>384613853
>>384613969
If you maxed out Mishima's Slink, it is kinda like that. They just had a natural change of heart, through their own will.

There were literally a million ways their "epic heist" could have gone wrong and only one it could have gone right. Like what if Sae and Akechi hadn't bumped into each-other? Joker would have ded

>>384614084
Metaverse magic. Apparently you just have to talk to the shadow to cause a change of heart.

>>384612547

Daemonic battery life

What is the best song in this game's soundtrack and why is it Life Will Change?

>>384613403
>muh world of str

If Sae didn't have much time to hear Joker's story, how come she sat in that interrogation room for 80~ hours?

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Why did the protag takes orders from a literal cat? Why did they follow all his advice on the metaverse without any proof he knew what he was talking about?

>>384614350
>muh ends justify means

>>384614169
Well they admit it was a gamble. Based on dozen plot conveniences and unexplained rules

Never question keikakus man. They always succeed.

>>384614582
Akechi's didn't.

>>384614392
it was really the choice between
>follow what some guy who might know what he's talking about
or
>run in whooping and hollering banging pots and pans, tripping over themselves and hoping for the best because they definitely know nothing

>>384612679
>literally fights chaosfags
>le chaosfag
he's a filthy neutral

>>384612679
So?

>>384614169
>Like what if Sae and Akechi hadn't bumped into each-other? Joker would have ded
That was explained. Futaba tracked location of both Akechi and Joker (which was in Sae possession) phone. If they were to miss each other she would call Sae

>>384612547
What if Shido used a condom?

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>>384614425
it does though

>>384614649
I would honestly prefer it if the Phantom Thieves saved the day through sheer ignorance than pure bullshit.

>Yaldabaoth, God of humanity and granter of desires, bested by a bunch of dumbfuck kids thanks to pure dumb luck

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>>384613697
>>384613853
The Phantom Thieves think they are so clever, we'll see how clever they are when their leader ends up in jail.

so is this all in the same universe? I'm just wondering how Akira and Yu would react to each other, would Igor side with one of them or just clap them both round the ears and tell them to get along?

>>384614640
That's because the Phantom Thieves had an even bigger keikaku to counter his.

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>>384613403

>>384614920
Yu would make Akira realize that you don't need convoluted plans, all you need is the power of bonds.

>>384614920
Persona 3 and 4 both exist in the same universe, so they most likely do. P3 and P4 MC's get along pretty well, but Igor is absent for their crossover

>>384614392
Fear and desperation are great motivators. They were working with nothing in some kinda crazy ass fever-dream wonderland, so virtually any help would have been appreciated. If it was a trap they wouldn't have been much better off than their current situation,

>>384614651
>rejecting law and order and brainwashing people through force
>neutral

A neutralfag wouldn't even bother dealing with that "stealing hearts" business. These kids are literally the representative of Chaos, doing whatever they want because they can.

>>384615126
>but Igor is absent for their crossover
He probably went "Yaldabaoth i've come to bargain" at that time.

Who is the best boy and why is it Ryuji?
Who is the best girl and why is it Futaba?

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>>384614308
It's actually Last Surprise because it's literally a song about pancakeboy getting outruse
>yfw the game makes fun of groo before he even enters the scene

.>>384612679
>Literally has Loki as a Persona
>Not Chaos aligned as well

>>384614308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHYvv_aFE0w

>>384615417
>Better think
>About your game
>Are you sure
>Your next move's the right one for you?
>Are you sure
>You won't get outmaneuvered again
>And again my friend?
Fucking savage

>>384614084
Because people can have a change of heart outside of the metaverse shit also. Sae always wanted to champion justice but she got too blinded by career advancement which wasn't something that was an issue after the Casino because she realized she was being used the entire time and the whole police force was corrupt

>>384612547
He lives in the year 20XX, batteries don't exist.

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I only just got this game this week, what the fuck is wrong with me why have I ignored this game series even though I knew it exists?

>>384615604
Still doesn't absolve her of her actual crimes.

I played P2, P3 and P4 but found myself enjoying DDS more. Should I get P5 or just focus on the 3ds SMTs?

>>384615604
so she realized she was wrong and should be forgiven? does that mean literally every shitbag you go up against in this game should be forgiven because they realized they were wrong even if they had to be bitch slapped in order to realize it?

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>>384615378
>Who is the best boy and why is it Ryuji?

>>384615885
just got the game, I can confidently say that no game has gotten be addicted to it as intensely and as quickly as this did

>>384615645
Why didn't Megaman just blast the shit out of Yaldabaoth then?

>>384615591
>Think you got your game planned out
>To a T, yet I'm two steps ahead yeah, so
>Step into my way, stand out
>It's a trap, one more step and you're dead(yeah you're dead)
>Why just a picosecond ago, clear blue skies
>but now lightning strikes your last resolve
>It's not an accident that no one hears your cries as your last strength seems to desolve

>>384616038
because Megaman is dead

>>384615920
Should anyone be punished if you literally rip the evil out of them first? Where's the justice in punishing a good person?

>>384615750
The only things Sae did wrong was be a bitch to her sister and falsify evidence in a case that never actually went anywhere in the end. Both of which tied directly into the PT if they forgave her then there's no problem. Sae realized she fucked up and wants to fix her fuckup by the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMSixTwriNY&list=PL_bXs13qYuZO70ZZKhFyAgjo1c8rhhCpZ&index=15

>>384616094
>Where's the justice
They dont care about that, as far as they were concerned "Justice" failed them.

>>384614651
Pretty sure he's Chaotic Good.

>>384615378
THAT'S BULLSHIT

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>>384615645
I don't get why they went XX there when they already showed that p4 takes place in 2011/2012.

>>384616094
because it doesn't change the fact that they were evil to begin with
>inb4 punishing won't change them either
showing people that they can't abuse their power to get their way is why punishment is needed

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>>384616057

>>384616367
p4 takes place in 2005 though

>>384616234
It's frustrating how shallow the morality of the main characters is. They're essentially radicalised terrorists. They're susceptible young teens that get brainwashed by Morgana into performing terrorist acts in the name of good. The game ends with depriving all of humanity from a cushy life with no responsibilities. Fuck the Phantom Thieves.

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>>384616661
Yaldy still salty as hell.

>>384615126
I'd imagine Minato and Akira would get more along than Akira and Yu, but then again we probably won't ever really know

>>384616584
Dude. Calendar shows 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n43vQarnYA&t=1m41s

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>>384616661
groo plz go and stay go

>>384616358
>implying their is anyone purer than the insecure blond and the smol grill

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>>384616584
cmon senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efTdGTRCRCo
cmon senpai

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>>384615378
I liked Ryuji, but Yusuke was my nigga,

>Im most certainly in the mood.

>>384617086
>>384616929
holy shit, my whole life was a lie

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>>384616937
>>384616872
...

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>>384616661
Pssh nothing personnel Yaldy

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>>384616924
Yeah for some reason all fan arts have Joker being nice to Door and bully Yu.

>>384617503
Yu is a part of the scooby doo investigators
Joker is part of the Phantom Thieves
Natural enemies

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so is this guy God, God's secretary or what? I just get the feeling if you ever fought you he'd just one hit you no matter how strong you get

>>384617503
Yu is overdue for some bullying.

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>>384617231
>but no one already talks to me
>>384617657
Philemon's marriage counselor

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>>384617657
He's a servant of Philemon who hasn't been seen outside of his blue butterfly form since P2

>>384617657
Igor got his ass kicked by Yaldy already so Joker got this.

>>384617503
>>384617594
>>384617671
who would win between the Phantom Thieve and whatever Yu's gang was called

>>384617932
Phantom Thieves would win if they had their Metaverse powers because scooby doo gang are just regular ass people. Outside of that they're probably pretty equal

>>384617932
Phantom thieves because Joker's slinks actually grant him advantage in combat
>Position Hack
>All-out attack
>GG

>>384617932
In terms of Persona powers I couldn't say, but I'd want to see the thieves outsmart the investigation team purely for the whole Lupin/Zenigata dynamic.

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>>384618205
Doubt you can shift cognition in your favor against other Persona users.

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>>384617503
It makes for better fan art

>>384614113
does that mean they went back into the mementos prison on their own or what?

>>384617932
Considering both leaders are wild card users who belong to the world it would be a standoff.

>>384618685
Maybe when you have a change of heart naturally the shadow doesn't go to Mementos or Sae's shadow doesn't exactly work the same because technically she never had a change of heart

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>>384618776
Nah, if they fight with all their powers, PT are legit superhumans even without summoning personas. They also got guns aside from melee weapons

>>384619534
>if they fight with all their powers, PT are legit superhumans even without summoning personas
No their not.
>They also got guns aside from melee weapons
Which only works in the Metaverse and if only the person knows it's not a fake gun. Hell, Naoto is the only party member from 3-5 to have a actual gun.

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>>384620037
>Hell, Naoto is the only party member from 3-5 to have a actual gun.
Uh, are you forgetting about second best robutt?

>>384618004
>Outside of that they're probably pretty equal
Makoto has her sister who has access to the police's files
Futaba is a supah hacker
Haru has infinite money

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>>384620037
>No their not.
Yes they are. Did you miss all their strength and speed feats in the game?
>Which only works in the Metaverse and if only the person knows it's not a fake gun
If they got they PT powers that means the cognitions thing works and fake guns become real. Also it guns were still "real" against Akechi and he did know they fake so Cognitions is not something you can dismiss easily

>>384620731
>Also it guns were still "real" against Akechi and he did know they fake so Cognitions is not something you can dismiss easily
Probably because there were in Shido's world, so I think that Akechi's perception doesn't matter in this case

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>>384620563
Yeah but that shit doesn't translate to a fight and Naoto literally has pic related

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>>384620563
>supah hacker
Supah HACKA

>>384621101
Information and money are vitals in a fight between 2 groups

>>384620563

Big deal when Kanji is going to bash their skull in with a chair.

>>384620731
>>384620873
Im pretty sure that as long as they're in the metaverse the gunsvwill shoot real bullets. If the Shadows think they're real, then the Scooby Doo gang will too.

>>384618685
No, because they actually want to change the world. The people who are in the prison are there because they have accepted Yaldy's lies, and are fine with giving him control over the world.

>>384621251
I like you.

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>>384621251
>Kanji
>Bashing anything besides the limits of cringe

>>384621285
If you go that way, why not them make fight each other in the TV World?
PT team would get fucked because they don't have the magic glasses.

They should find on neutral ground (like, say, Tartarus). PT have real weapons, but their guns are wack, so it would come down to Persona and hand-to-hand skills.

>>384621285
I mean, they could always just load the guns with metal or pointed BBs.

>>384621285
Morgana uses a slingshot as a ranged weapon. No one will think the weapons are real.

>>384621473
No their weapons are fake also. They're decorative weapons with dull blades outside the metaverse. P4 has real weapons though

>>384621503
Also Joker can craft legit stunguns, molotovs and bombs

>>384617874
Joker only beat Yaldy through the power of friendship and hope. Of course Igor cannot match such anime strength.

>>384621464
Don't fucking bully Kanji.

>>384621734
He used power of rebellion, not friendship, as God killing ammo. Satanael is legit broken Persona though. And he didn't use World arcana yet so he might be even stronger

>Build up this relationship between Akira and Akechi where they're supposed to be these destined rivals and dual wild cards battling for the fate of the world
>Akechi just fucking dies as a midboss for a guy who somehow becomes even less relevant than Akechi once God shows up and the entire narrative is thrown out with Akechi never being mentioned again

What was the point

>>384615885
P5 is the same deal as P3-P4, with better mechanics all around. Just play SMT4 and Devil Survivors unless you hate fusing your demons.

>>384621989
Well, he could only win after he had 100% of the world's population (just Japan?) cheering him on, so I don't think it was some individual show of rebellious power.

>>384614079
who is this semen demon?

>>384622430
>>384621989
>>384621734
Yaldy was created from the Japanes masses enslaving themselves in their work. When the people start cheering for Phantom Thieves instead, Yaldy crumbles.

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>>384622567
A literal semen demon

>>384622430
Like I said, he used Sinful shell which was basically spirit bomb to kill Yaldy but Satanael is still powerfull enough to brush off his ultimate attack, so yeah...

>>384622430
Yeah 100% of the population was rebelling against the god yaldy

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>>384622274
the point was to humiliate groo as much as possible

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>>384617657
Philemon's servant/creation

>>384617657
Igor serves Philemon

Philemon abstractly serves the Great Will, which is the higher entity that desires the thwarting of YHVH (the overly Lawful antagonist of the mainline SMT games as i understand it, which take place elsewhere in the multiverse, we may never see him in a Persona game for all anyone knows), and also the thing that creates Wild Cards (Messiahs) by granting them a tiny portion of its power

>>384623468
nigga why are you just mixing all that smt lore into persona
There is nothing to prove any of that

>>384623468
Philemon just wants to beat his tsundere husbando Nyarly

>>384615920

You realized that had Sae gotten the unwilling brainwashing she would have been made a patsy, claimed to have sympathized the PTs and then killed by Akechi regardless.

Look at what happened to the SIU directior and watch as Sae was going to do the mental shutdown facemelt act.

>>384616367
Because they delayed the game so fucking long

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>>384623674
>Persona
>Not using SMT lore
>When it's a spin-off of SMT
>and has a place in the SMT timeline

>>384624467
that's not what I mean, its just there is no evidence for those ideas there and besides wild cards being messiahs is dumb as fuck idea

>>384623468
>>384623674
Persona and Devil Summoner games share the Shin Megami Tensei if...timeline. In Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army Raidou thwarts YHWH's plan to nuke Japan (as happened in SMT1). First two Devil Summoners, if... and Persona 1 & 2 have major characters appearing across games. Their characters only appear in cameos and references in P3 onwards, so the connection isn't as strong there.

>>384624650
Main character in P3 is literally Messiah.

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>>384624650

>>384624745
No he is not
He has a mask of a messiah
If he was he wouldn't of died

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>>384612679
Joker is more Lawfag than even Ziodynecock. People just come to the conclusion of him being a Chaosfag because he summons Satanael and shoots a false god in the face. Groo wanted make his father's life a living hell while the guy is fucking prime minister, he didn't care if the country went up in flames as long as he got what he wanted.

>>384625506
The entirety of the Phantom Thieves is chaos, their personas are their spirits of rebellion and not giving a fuck about societal expectations is a major theme of the game

The game beats you over the head with it with the "sacrilegious justice" line brought up a few times, Yu Narukami is a Neutrelfag

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>>384625506
>Ziodynecock
This guy?

>>384612547
Why would he not charge his phone before then? That'd be stupid of him.

>>384625729
Yu is lawful.

>>384625960

Are you fucking retarded, Izanami wanted to lobotomize humanity into shadows, creating a blissful land of fog free from the friction caused by humanity's desire for truth

That is a classic lawfag end, the IT says fuck it humans can reach the truth on their own.

>>384626346
Yu is lawful.

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What would persona be like if it took the Jojo route of creating a family lineage over games?

>>384626515
Not persona.
Since 3, the core of Persona games are about the relations you makes with random peoples and how they affect you/you affect them. It is also about how the protagonist forges his own character in an unknown environment (they're all transfer students)
Having a family lineage means that you'll follow the same characters over and over and that they'll grow together and that the main protag will always have a bit of knowledge about what the shit is going on.

>>384626515
It would be filled with ridiculous time skips and forced overarching plot that never leads up to anything.

>>384615372
He also rejects chaos (Shido destroying Japan and his survival of the fittest). He also rejected Akechi's plan (burning everything and letting Yabadabadoo rebuild everything).
>>384612679
Jokah is neutral. He didn't supported Yabadabadoo but also didn't wanted to let the world in complete anarchy.

>>384625729
>sacrilegious justice
That sounds more like a lawfag thing. Like when Satan judged YHVH on SMT II

>>384624864
but he isn't technically dead, he just decided to use his soul to block humanity's bullshitery from causing the end of the world.

>>384628794
Shido really wasn't about survival of the fittest, at all. His plan was literally what the angels did in SMT IV with Mikado by saving only who's convenient for them.

>>384626515
The MC would need to pick a canon waifu every game then

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>>384614649
>not knowing what to do means you immiedietly turn retarded and act like a bull in a china shop

EVERY TIME

>>384613306
>What if Joker's cognitive version vanished the moment Goro shot it?
Joker's dead body is self-perpetuated by Goro's own cognition of killing him himself.

>What if the "dead" "policeman" didn't take more than 5 minutes to vanish for whatever reason?
Then Goro would've still killed him himself

What if Joker caused Sae to have a natural change of heart, destroying her palace?
Sae's own cognition of Joker wouldn't compromise on her own convictions because she only knows Joker as a punk kid who doesn't have any knowledge of who she is on the inside.

>>384626515
It would be AWESOME!

>>384630004
>Joker's dead body is self-perpetuated by Goro's own cognition of killing him himself.
Too bad they are in Sae's palace and not Goro's. Also, cognitive versions and shadows seem to vanish the moment they are killed, like Cognitive Ann and Shadow Okumura.
>Then Goro would've still killed him himself
What are you trying to say? If Goro would see the dead body suddenly vanishing he would know something is off.
>Sae's own cognition of Joker wouldn't compromise on her own convictions because she only knows Joker as a punk kid who doesn't have any knowledge of who she is on the inside.
Again, what? If the real world Joker causes real world Sae to have a change of heart during their real world interrogation, then her palace would disappear and thus Goro couldn't enter it to kill a cognitive Joker.

>>384614937
Actually this though, it's practically a trope for one keikaku to fail because someone else countered with a keikaku rather than by some natural coincidence

>>384630003
Even if they went about it with all the patience and analytical thought of a fucking rocket scientist, how are they supposed to discern that a human being would have a treasure you can steal to take their hearts and can only be summoned in a very specific way for a very short time frame?

Without Morgana they would never have made it past Kamoshida. There's simply too many massive logical leaps that need to be taken in a world they have no knowledge about and have no ability to study.

>>384632442
oh i dont play those games at all, they are stupid, just pointing out how goofy it is when someone acts like the only option is to literally bang pans

>>384614920
All of them are