TF2 > Dirty Bomb > Paladins > Battleborn > Overwatch

>t.mommy doesn't want to give me $40

>>384590387
Learn how to airstrafe.

>Putting a P2W game above anything
?

>>384589872
Put OW after Dirty Bomb and shove Quake Champions in somewhere

>>384589872
If TF2's so good why is it so dead compared to Overwatch?
Same goes for the other games you listed.

>>384591065
lol OW is probably closer to dying than TF2 is, now that the honeymoon is over and people are realizing that the game is boring, bland and dumbed down as shit

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>>384591365
Source?
Here's mine. It's not perfect by any means but feel free to post any that show that TF2 has a healthier community than OW.

>>384590890
>Putting a P2W game above anything
It's actually not P2W. It's Pay to get hats.

>>384591365
OW is not dying because Blizzard is actually updating it consistently unlike Valve with TF2 and releasing terrible major updates only once per year. Even though TF2 is the better game, it seems like Valve wants to kill it.

>>384591934
Paladins is the P2W one

>>384591770
Where's your data about OW's active playerbase? Oh yeah, there's none available. All Blizzard gives us is that 30 million unique players bullshit, TF2 has like 40.5 mi acoording to SteamSpy. Which actually means nothing when those stats count free weekend players, alts, people that bought the game and have only played it once and etc.

But when a game has 5 min. long queue in casual play, it's pretty clear.

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>>384589872
Fixed that pic for you OP to better reflect what TF2 is post-2011.
Don't thank me.

>>384589872
you got that backwards

>>384591065
TF2 came out 10 years ago bro. OW is 14 months old not including the beta

>>384589872

TF2 was good when it wasnt free to play, because then it went down the sewers

>>384593114
So? No one cares about how good a game was. Are you a nostalgiafag?
What matters is how good it is now.

>>384592195
t. I haven't played Paladins

>>384593141
Keys came before F2P

>>384589872
>Battleborn > Overwatch
fuck off Randy

>>384593141
overwatch is already going down the sewers with both pay to play AND lootbox faggotry

>>384593486
>lootbox faggotry
He cares about cosmetics in a first person game.
What a fag.

>>384593596
i don't care about cosmetics but i don't think i like blizzard nickle and diming people who already bought their game

>>384593343
? I've played it since before most people on /v/ ever heard of it, and I still follow updates for it and check them all out on the PTS. Anyone that says it isn't P2W is the same as a blizzdrone that claims Hearthstone isn't P2W, you're not really going to be that pathetic are you anon?

Please bump /dbg/.
>>>/vg/183274089

>>384593596
Cosmetics and events are the only thing that keep OW alive now.

>>384593783
how exactly is it P2W, retard?

>>384593652
"Competitive" FPS games without an entry price tag are hackers wet dream. See CS:GO during steam sales.
Whales are also the thing that keeps (most) developpers pushing updates on games without asking for a subscription fee.
Both are a necessary evil.

>>384593983
i'm sure you're also a shill for DRM and always online too mate, get over yourself

>>384593850
Alright, before I get into this have you played the game once in the past 10 patches or are you just defending it out of some hatred for blizzard?

>>384593783
>waaah it's p2w because I have to spend in-game currency to unlock customizables and cards
Explain to me how one spending money on Paladins automatically makes them win matches.

>>384591770
>people watching streams correlates to actual players

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>>384589872
>muh decade old meme game

What a joke.

>>384594178
Well you're definitely on the same level as blizzdrone so there's no talking to you.

>>384594127
>shill
Where do I get my shill money?

>always online
Where's the harm in an online multiplayer game? Isn't that the point?

>>384594229
It's a better metric that numbers/assumptions pulled out of your ass.

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when i play overwatch for over an hour i have an itch to play tf2

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>>384593317
you don't really play online games do you ?

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>>384594279
>no argument
>w-w-w-well you're just a retard!

No please tell me how people are so much better at Inara than I am for spending money to unlock her shit-ass alt legendaries.

>>384594624
What's your point?

>>384592409
Ow has 3x the CCU of tf2, and you have to buy it

>>384591934
>it seems like Valve wants to kill it.
Believe me, Valve is doing their best, but these stubborn gamers keep playing it.

>>384594178
I'm not him, but I have to admit the gold price of the champions are so fucking high right now. When I started playing it a year ago I used to have all champions and card unlocked within two weeks of playing, then they decided to add the essence bullshit, which means you have to open lootboxes that you get from leveling up and hope you get duplicates. A new player would spend months grinding just to get a legendary card.
But again, what to expect from JewRez?

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>>384589872
Nothing can compare to pre items TF2, now it's a boring old craphole.
Overwatch is fun but that's only because I bought in in the last sale and because Blizzard try to keep it fresh. Give it 2-3 years and it will go down the shitter. There's only so much you can steal from TF2.
Dirty Bomb is a dead meme and I'm not even discussing the other two steaming piles of shit.

>>384591770
There is a difference between viewers and players.

>>384594930
the game is F2P, of course it has microtransaction shit
But that doesn't make it P2W

>>384594742
lol

>>384589872
tf2 if you want class based shooter
paladins if you want a moba shooter
everything else is worse.

>>384594991
Indeed there is.
But there's also a correlation between the two.

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>>384594991

Over has over 10 million people playing it daily. TF2 barely manages to touch 60k.

>>384591934
>OW is not dying because Blizzard is actually updating it consistently

hehehe

>>384595204
post proof

>>384590815
Airstrafing in TF2 is a joke though

>>384591065
Overwatch is doomed to fail because like TF2 it was designed to keep players coming back with continuous updates, and once those updates stop or drop in quality, the players will leave, but unlike TF2 which has enough depth to keep a dedicated community going, Overwatch's shallowness won't keep anyone around.

>>384589872
I heard dirty bomb was garbage. Anyone here actually enjoy playing it?

>>384594930
>A new player would spend months grinding just to get a legendary card.
Or they could spend money! If you have two equally skilled players, but give one of them money to spend on the game the one that spent money wins in nearly all situations. Any game functions like that is P2W.

>>384595318
not as bad as overwatch. stickyjumping > minejumping

>>384595286

No

>>384595194
Demographics also play a huge role.
The Bazinga generation is more likely to watch games. And mostly the those games that were recently released.

>>384595204
candy crush has more than that daily, does that make it a good game?

>>384595402
No arguing that. The suggestion was that none of these games are good competitively. Pretty much all good competitive FPS games are dead.

>>384595348
>TF2
>depth

lol

>>384595286
Subscriptions

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>>384595348
yfw you post wild predictions without any source

People who say OW is dying are delusional, and flat out stupid. Even if you dont like the game how can you not notice that is fucking everywhere.

There is even people who make money out drawing stickers of the damn characters.

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R6 Siege > all that trash

>>384595438
lol

>>384595478

I don't know what that is nor do I care.

>>384595539
>t. person who has 5 hours in the game after trying a 24/7 2fort skial server

>>384595478
Candy crush in better than TF2 in it's current sorry state.

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>people talking about what is p2w again
we solved this ages ago

>>384595645

I've been playing since release. You're a huge retard.

>muh rocket jumping

Shit game was always shit.

>>384595561
>wild
One e-sport org after another is dropping their OW squad.
For a game that was specifically designed with e-sports in mind this is a disaster.

Team Fortress 2 core gameplay is so far above those game it doesn't even warrant a comparison

>>384595351
It's actually really good, but got mired in microtransactions while it was owned by nexon, but in february this year the studio got control of the game themselves and it's likely to improve a bunch.

>>384595542
you don't subscribe to play though...plus those numbers include pc bangs, free weekenders, beta players, and smurfs. why do they refuse to show us concurrent players?
>>384595539
compared to overwatch, yes. you retards need to stop moving the goalposts, you do realize you're just making it look worse?

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>>384595614

>>384595728
>t. person who has 200 hours in the game on minecraft trade servers, playing nothing but sandman cleaver scout

>>384595750

I guess that's why hardly anyone is playing it, and the few who still are just sit in idle servers all day, or matchmake with friends so they dominate everyone on the other team with a pocket medic stuck to this asshole all the while thinking they're so good at the game.

Valve fanboys are a complete joke.

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Overwatch won't die as a casual game but Blizzard's "$20million to enter" League has a real chance of it. The game is just shit to watch.

>>384595561
>When Overwatch first came out it was pulling at least 50000 viewers, now its half that.
>Sponsors and teams are dropping out of competitive.
The honeymoon is over and people are only coming back for new content, its not hard to figure this out.

>>384595728
playing since release and you prefer an even more shallow game?

>>384595897

t. retard who can't read

>>384595908
>no one is playing
>1.7 million players in the last two weeks
Kill yourself blizzcuck

>>384595937
Not just that, they try to franchise it the American way.

>>384595976

Yep. TF2 is shit.

>>384595937
Oh lolbabbies and their obvious view botting,

>>384595975
Wow, just like Heartstone

>>384596068
>50k daily players
>not dead

rofl

>>384595975
50% viewership more than a year is very decent.

>>384595908
>60k for a ten year old game is hardly anyone
>implying people don't pubstomp on their smurfs or throw themselves to bronze in overwatch
>he hasn't played for so long he still thinks idling is worth it
this is just sad. for a game you supposedly don't even enjoy anymore you really can't let it go and move on.

>>384596231
Do you even know what a dead game is? Are you honestly fucking retarded?

>>384596320
>wahhhh wahh wahhh but Overwatch does it too!

Your favorite game is dead. Ha ha. Doomed to be consumed by third worlders and BRs.

paladins is this best game here
but only if you treat it as a game with a 10$ buy in with the founders pack, and not a f2p one.

>>384589872
>I play none of these games: the post

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How do these games manage to attract the worst fucking communities. Full of ponyfuckers, furries and ironic Lenny spammers

>>384596485
My favorite game isn't Paladins though.
>hurr its okay when blizzard does it
>y-your game is ded lol even though i got btfo cuz i said so
whatever helps you sleep champ.

>>384596857

That's Valveshit in a nutshell.

>>384595614
R6 is for retards too dumb to play csgo

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>>384596320
>>384596485
>tfw tf2 doesn't even have a big 3rd worlder problem when compared to something like paladins
How'd they do it

>>384596795
The founders pack doesn't even remove the real f2p garbage from it. Don't know how hi-rez could go from something like the god pack in Smite which completely removes any impact that the game being f2p might have on you to the shitty founders pack in paladins. Of course instead of trying to fix that they decided to make the grind even worse by upping all the gold prices in the game so they could go "see the founders pack is good!"

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>>384596857

>>384597173

CS:GO is for retards too poor to play CoD.

>>384597215
>we want the 4chan audience

No one is stopping you from playing TF2 anon, just because other games of a similar genre are popping up doesn't mean it'll stop existing.

>>384589872
If you mean titanfall 2 as TF2 yes

>>384597270
Cod is for retards too dumb to play quake

>>384597379

Quake even relevant anymore, you retard.

>>384597445
>Not just shooting people irl
Literally lmaoing at your life

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>>384596795
Gave it another chance and it's fun but based on how little gold you seem to get for matches it seems like a not so subtle way of them telling you to just go ahead and buy the founder's pack.

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>>384597363

more like the tumblr audience

For me, it's the maps. I got bored of Dirty Bomb's 5 maps, have 1.3k hours in TF2 and felt like I had finished there, and realized that Overwatch maps were clusterfuck 2CP corridors with agonizing attention to detail, causing you to be able to backpedal into a pot, get stuck and die.

Paladins maps are open and symmetrical, designed after 5CP maps in TF2, and dosn't give me a headache watching professional play, unlike Overwatch.

And before anyone starts screaming "PAY 2 WIN", I only play Nando, Cassie, Pip and Evie. You can get optimal loadouts for them just after doing the tutorial.

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>>384595614
Agreed, but
>shadshit

>>384597886
>saying overwatch is the best
nice job

>>384594428
Always online means no incentive to add local lan play or proper netcode that takes advantage of local network. "lol just play online". I have an ok connection and I don't find it cool when everyone has 50ping, 100 if someone is streaming music, despite being on the same fucking network.

Also you could play botmatch/practice.

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>>384597886
> Getting triggered by a picture.

Ayone here wants to talk about Battleborn?

>>384594157
You get the best character for free.
while it may be the most p2w out of all of those it barely is pay 2 win

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>poorfags are still buttblasted after 1 year
lmao

>>384598696

I tried it. The singleplayer feels unoptimized for performance, but otherwise was as fun as playing Borderlands. The writing in the first chapter was cringy, and might have put a lot of people off.

The multiplayer was a decent mixture of MOBA + FPS elements, but did neither things spectacularly.

I didn't enjoy it much. I felt like playing Borderlands everytime I tried the singleplayer, and Paladins everytime I tried the multiplayer.

>>384597513
yeah, i wish it was more up front about that. Definitely worth the 10 bucks for that founder pack, way better than OW.

I just wish more people would try it instead of the army of "lol my favorite youtuber says this game ripped off overwatch, must be shit"

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>Not playing the best of them all

Is Dirty Bomb actually any good?

>>384592409
I've never waited 5 minutes for a game once, 1-2 minutes max.

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>>384599016
BUT OVERWATCH IS DEAD, WHY ISN'T ANYONE PLAYING MY F2P HAT SIMULATOR ??

>>384599805
As someone who played every game in OP's post, yes. The game revolves around the shooting and the moving rather than the abilities. It's also probably the most distinct game on the list, and can run on potatos.

Only 5 maps though.

>>384597215
>google image search overwatch+pepe/memes
>get cancerous results
mystifying.

>>384599914
Fucking liar. I have sat for as long as 10 min before. Shallow game is dead.

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>>384599470
Right now I enjoy it more than I've enjoyed Overwatch in quite a while. Says the founder's pack is $20 now though.

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>TF 2 still ruins internet connection

>>384589872
TF2> Dirty Bomb > Overwatch > Shit i have no interest in. Dirty bomb is pretty underrated.

>>384595614
>shadman

>>384600417

Pack goes on a sale everytime there's a sale. Winter sale was 50%, Summer sale was 33%.
Current speculation is they'll rebrand the Founder's Pack after the game leaves Early Access.

>>384600417
It goes on sale for 10 occasionally, and my buddy got a pack for 10 bucks on a third party site a few days ago, cheappunk i think? the thing works fine but the delivery method was wierd as hell.

>>384600598
>>384600634
Cheers, guess I'll keep an eye out since I wouldn't mind spending that much

>>384600417
It's not worth it anyways

>>384599942
i played your shitty p2p skin simulator since launch. im level 600 something, but i already had enough of the game by then and only did it for the silver portrait shit before i uninstalled for good. haven't played since season 4.
>3 heroes in one fucking year (one who was completely broken and singlehandedly brought cancerous metas such as beyblade and world of tanks. the second one that was hyped up to hell until the shitty arg was just clue after clue leading to absolute nothing; a FUCKING loading bar as a "reward". a shitty niggercorn bot that's just pre-existing character abilities taped together, when everyone expected terry crews fisting shit.
>only 3 maps for normal rotation, rest is meme shit like lucioball or that awful mei snowball fight. 3v3 shit that people only bother playing for their weekly loot boxes
>halfway through this year and the only notable things are doom fist (who looks generic as fuck), but looks like he plays pretty cool and a moon map that's just numbani a glued to hanamura b.
>"""custom""" servers that are just glorified private matches open to the public, no community servers or content, just tweaked rule sets
>hundreds of skins, thousands of random cosmetic shit that only exist for retards to burn their money. ITS TIME LIMITED DUDE GIVE US YOUR MONEY SO YOU DON'T MISS OUT YOU WANNA SPECIAL DON'T YOU? EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE WILL HAVE THEM AND USE THEM UNTIL THE NEXT FLAVOR OF THE MONTH SKINS ARE OUT
>"""competitive""" mode that'll keep retards grinding numbers for their shiny icons so they can feel like pr0 gam3rz
>meanwhile in tf2 i just hit 8k hours (not a traderfag so don't even start with muh idling
that's why i dropped it. say what you want about tf2's support now but remember it's a decade old and didn't add stupid hat bullshit right off the bat like ow. it used to have substantial updates with maps, game modes, and weapons. it kept the game from going stale. nuValve is shit, and so is Blizzard.

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>>384589872
Overwatch is the most relevant, has the most active community and is reasonably entertaining, so I'm going to play that game.

>>384595286
He won't because there's none.

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>>384601584
>being a literal plebian

>>384599805
Yes. It has no support but it's legitimately fun.

>>384601584
How to spot a faggot.

>>384601584
>literally muh popularity

>>384602214
go play guild wars 1 now and tell me there's no problem with a dead community.

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>>384601527
Speaking of updates the way Blizzard does the drip feed of content really takes away from the patches themselves. They unveil a map, it's stuck on the ptr for weeks so the newness is almost worn off by the time it goes live and then you're left knowing that you got that month's one piece of content so you'll have to wait another 4+ months for the next map. Sombra+Arcade was probably the biggest patch so far and it's an outlier.

>>384602038
>>384602134
>>384602214
>taking the time to play and practice a competitive multiplayer game with a dead/dying community that few people really about

Literally why even bother?

Does Blunderborn have all its content for free now?

>>384602970
I don't care about competitive. I just want to have fun. There is no reason to play TF2 but the gameplay. Everything else is irrelevant. But I'd still rather play it and enjoy myself instead of forcing myself to play OW to get the newest skins, or hit a certain rank. Remember when people played games because they enjoyed them, and not because of some carrot on a stick?

>>384602214
as someone with serveral hundred hours in paladins
i would prefer not playing with huehues or ruskis

>>384599805

It was, but the developers are literally pants on head. Let me tell you a story.

So Splash Damage, in their infinite wisdom, decided that what their parkour-heavy FPS game needed more than anything was an invisible ninja. This wasn't, in and of itself, the worst possible decision, but at some point they also decided that the invisible ninja in a game with long jumps, bunny hops, wall jumps, and other ways to completely surprise your opponents should also have a devastatingly powerful ninja sword -- because of course he should. Now, this alone would have russled the jimmies of many of the less competent members of the player base, but it gets better. You see, the ninja sword had two fire modes. The primary fire swung the sword much as you'd expect, but the secondary fire was a thrust that was coded in such a way that it would do damage to anything the blade interacted with so long as it was in the extended part of the animation.

The player base, recognizing the developer's mistake, immediately responded by developing autohotkey scripts that would instantly throw the cursors a million miles left along the x-axis. For a good few days, maybe a week, the meta strategy became picking the newest ninja character, sneaking into the biggest pile of enemies you could find, and immediately beyblading the lot of them to death.

All this could have been chocked up to silly oversights and player ingenuity, but that's when things got completely pants on head. You see, the developers could not for the life of them figure out how to stop the thrust animation from dealing damage constantly, so they responded instead by making all melee attacks on all characters in the game drop sensitivity down to negative one billion for their duration. This, as you might imagine in a fast paced, movement-based game, immediately killed the entire melee game for all the other characters who weren't even capable of the abuse to begin with.

>>384603172

Multiplayer access only, characters are bought with currency earned in-game, with a free rotation swapping out characters.

>>384603383
That's hilarious

>>384603463
Fuck that then. I want to try the campaign (singleplayer if you can) because I liked Borderlands.

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>>384589872
Splatoon 2 > all

>>384603383
and here I thought tf2s devs were bad

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>>384591934

>>384603383

Mind, this wasn't the only instance of them simply not understanding how to fix their own game. A long time ago, we used to play in 'potatomode' or 'minecraft mode.' Essentially, they had naively allowed us to keep full control of the shaders and we, the playerbase, were doing stupid shit like dropping the resolution on textures down to the single digits. This was fun, and silly, and dumb, but the devs got wind of it and decided, in their infinite wisdom, that this was giving us some sort of unfair advantage. In their kneejerk reaction to stop us from accessing the useless knobs that were making our game ugly, they managed to simultaneously remove options for low end PCs and somehow shit on performance for the entirety of the userbase.

>>384603497

Don't get me wrong. The game was fun as fuck. There used to be (probably still is) a really tanky character who comes equiped with hand grenades. He can cook the grenades, up to five seconds, and then they'll go off.

Thing is, the developers didn't want us accidentally fucking up the cook so your character is actually forced to throw the grenade slightly before detonation. Well, it turns out that the character in question is so tanky that on full health it was actually impossible to kill yourself with a fully cooked grenade.

I spent many a game aggressively surviving suicide bombings.

It's really one of those things that I really enjoyed immensely but could never honestly recommend to somebody. It's fun because it's jank, and as much shit as I'll talk about the developers the truth is that they were just a rando group from the b-team of other projects that somehow wound up bankrolled by Nexon but completely directionless. I forgive them their confusion. They gave me dozens of hours of entertainment.

>>384602791
I feel like the focus on e-sports hurt the game too much. Blizzard games never really give you any freedom, it's "play and have fun, but only in our way." I remember just fucking around in quick play when it was still new, and sometimes people would spam a hero in the assemble phase to try and get a hero rush going. One of my favorite memories was stomping as a Reaper team on Gibraltar Offense. No one cared about any meta, or winning. It was just pure fun. I think the game went downhill a little after competitive mode came out. That's when it stopped being about fun and only winning. It was still somewhat contained in Comp but by that point Tryhard Tony would start dictating the team comp he wanted, so he could practice his pro genji skills. One of the three dps mains whining for healers while refusing to switch is somehow more annoying than some fag whining about three scout/spy/sniper in TF2. When Hero limits became a thing in QP it turned into Comp lite, you couldn't really fuck around with a hero like attack torb because all the shitters who got spanked in rank would play like it's a fucking tournament and there was point between the two game modes at that point. I hear the game isn't even doing so great on the E-sports front nowadays, so it was all for nothing. Blizzard really shouldn't have forced E-sports and focus on keeping a good casual experience, especially since the game at its core was made for it. Instead of worrying about balance or whatever we would've gotten heroes like Ana as a surprise, maps would be hyped up more etc. But no, Blizzard is retarded and thinks they can get away with pulling the same shit like they did with Hearthstone.

>>384603383
>create a functional game
>can't fix said game's bug
I mean, how did they make a good game in the first place? Were there layoffs, outsourcing or something?

>>384589872
Paladings > Overwatch = TF2
Overwatch needs more variety between characters and well designed maps. McCree and Soldier will never both be viable because they're too similar and every map is just choke point after choke point.
TF2 has bugs that they haven't fixed since launch and zero polish all around. New models for hats make the old character models look awful, clipping everywhere, design is all over the place. No coherency. Weapons need to be traded or unlocked by chance or with the help of a guide and the store is way too expensive.

Paladins is way better than the other two, despite its couple of flaws.

>>384604326

Blizzard should have let Overwatch grown grassroots style, instead of pumping it with steroids composed of money and made it to the thing it is right now.

And Jeff needs to stop balancing around quickplay.

>>384604465
t.poorfag

>>384604465
I'd love paladins more but its a fucking 1v5 simulator I would literally be better off playing with bots most of the time

>>384604465
>TF2 has bugs that they haven't fixed since launch and zero polish all around.
you mean to say they've added bugs and intentionally rubbed off polish since launch

>>384604465
>TF2 has no polish
Lmao what the actual fuck
You have no idea what you're talking about kiddo

>>384604868
>getting rid of shading instead of adding LODs to models that don't have them
I don't get it

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>>384604326
I think the small team sizes in Overwatch also have a large impact on the casual experience. If even a single person is fucking around there's a good chance you're going to lose since the game is so team-reliant. This causes QP to be a giant mess because there's people that want to fuck around while others are treating it like comp-lite and it doesn't seem like anybody is ever happy. That really just leaves you with the arcade and my queue times there were often shit for anything but 3v3 or 1v1.

Overwatch isn't a game where the team with the best player win, it's a game where the team with the worst player lose.

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>>384604352

If you go look at what they've done, you'll see that they were essentially a bunch of modders who wound up getting hired to make multiplayer resources for other people's games. All their work from Return to Castle Wolfenstein to Brink was also done with versions of the id Tech engine, whereas Dirty Bomb is Unreal 3.

I've always assumed that their problems come from years of doing derivative work without ever really working with the underlying systems or design. That is, they know how to make the system do what they want right up until the point that underlying assumptions are questioned.

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>>384605062
I always thought OW should have a larger player limit in rooms. At least increase it to 8v8 or 12v12.

>>384605245
And it seems like their only mod was a Quake 3 version of Team Fortress, not something brand new.

>>384604706
Are you talking about yourself? I own Overwatch, Paladins founder pack and all non reskin weapons in TF2.

>>384604878
>every new cosmetic clips
>unusual effects and models sometimes floating in the air
>certain beard cosmetics don't move with the mouth
>program doesn't respond for a couple of seconds during loading
>lock n load still only 2 pipes, normal grenade launcher has 6
>some view models cover the cross hair
>graphical glitches everywhere, including health bars and dead ringers meter
>no borderless window mode in settings, have to add in steam
>twitch shooting in borderless window mode can cause clicking outside the window, happened all the time when rocket jumping
>enemy models often don't shoot where the gun is aiming. bad coherency with viewmodel
>face stabbing, hit detection, camera jitters when jumping and crouching, sometimes it looks like your model is phasing through the ground after spawning...

Those are only from the top of my head and I last played the game months ago. Doubt they've fixed any of them.
Can you still not hide viewmodels in competitive?

>>384605342
12v12 would be pretty killer if they made an extremely large map. I'd play the shit out of that.

>>384605886

12 players and 12 viable heroes.

sounds gucci

>>384602771
not being most popular =/= dead community
every game OP listed has a decent sized community.

Paladins is literally just a shit Overwatch

>>384589872

TF2 is abandoned and going to die consistently over the next 5 years, just like it has for the past 2-3

>dirty bomb, the literally who of those 5 games
>the literally who of a pool of games that includes fucking battleborn
>paladins, literally tailor made by one of the worst f2p devs in existence today, for the poorest of poorfags
>battleborn
>battleborn
>battleborn
>this board has already fucked the dead horse thwe've already had a thousand le ebin overwatch meme threads

they're all shit

>>384606765
>t. I watched a youtube video that called it a ripoff

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>>384595614

>>384606117
inb4 6 tank meta

>>384607610
t. mummy won't buy me Overwatch

Nah mate I played both, Paladins just felt like a knockoff Overwatch

>>384589872
I agree.

>>384607861
I bought overwatch at launch and have founders pack for paladins.

IMO it's about as similar to overwatch as TF2 is. Most of the heroes call out as ripoffs have 1 or 2 abilities that are similar, but play completely different. fernando is probably the closest but overwatch didn't exactly invent the shield. Andro plays nothing like mccree, draco plays more like a tf2 soldier with air strike than pharah. skye plays nothing like tracer, etc etc.

IMO the 2 things that set it above overwatch are, 1. no hero switching, so comp matters more, and 2. ults are all pretty balanced, and aren't "i win" buttons like they are in overwatch, and are fairly easily countered.

>>384608836
>and aren't "i win" buttons like they are in overwatch, and are fairly easily countered.
But they aren't "i win" buttons in overwatch, hell the overwatch ones are easier to counter too since they don't give cc immunity like a lot of the ones in paladins do

>>384595937
What's the share esports tag suppose to mean?

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>>384590890
>P2W

>>384609310
>hearthstone isn't p2w
- you

u almost had it op

tf2>paladongs>dirty bomb>stillborn>literal shit>ow

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>>384591065
Maybe because it's a 10 year old game? Any game still having an active playerbase as large as TF2 after 10 years is nothing to scoff at.

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>>384609458
Who's talking about Hearthstone?

>>384609458
Please explain your flow of logic following up to that post.

>>384609730
>>384609797
The people defending paladins p2w system are also defending hearthstone's p2w system

>>384609256
How much of the total time spent watching the game is spent watching e-sports.

>>384591770
>justin biebers is good because alot of people listen to his music

it's called marketing my dude

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>>384609854
I just assumed you were talking about TF2, as no one plays Dirty Bomb, Paladins or Battleborn

>>384610009
sorry m8

>>384609578
Smuggest anime I've ever seen irl

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>>384594881
>People feel the need to compare their shitty game's active playerbase against a 10 year old game to feel superior

>>384589872

Enemy Territory >Dog shit >Power Gab >All the rest

>>384609854
you can't compare the 2 systems. Yes they both have you crafting cards with essence, but the amounts are complete different. getting a meta deck in hearthstone takes a lot of dust, but you can create a whole bunch of them right off the bat in paladins

Paladins is in desperate need of more porn.

these games reminds me of moba games, no story or campaign you can play and full of autisitic tryhard kids thinking they can become mvp or some crap.

>>384610394
You can make a top tier aggro hunter for like 1k dust dude

>>384610426
They probably didn't know that they had to commission it themselves.

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Overwatch managed to release a moon map BEFORE TF2.

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>>384589872
>/v/ still defends random crits

what went wrong?

>>384610838
>bill nye the bachelor's in mechanical engineering guy

>>384610838
Didnt TF2 have that shitty robot rampage map on the moon for a few years?
Or does that not count because eternal beta?

>>384596462
>haha you don't know what my arbitrary definition is? :)
>doesn't even tell anyone

>>384611273
I used the word "release" for a reason. Since they never finished the robot rampage map.

>>384610542
that's still considerably more dust comparatively than costs in paladins

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKolzHWc-Pc&ab_channel=MisterCaption

Player who plays both games here.

Even though OW is newer, it's boring as fuck and i always see myself prefering to play TF2 over OW.

It can't be helped, Overwatch is just boring as fuck, i just play some games when there's events and a new season for me to reach diamond, then i let the game rot in my computer.

>>384594428
>loser beta males who spend their day paying some titty girl to be their e-friend
>better metric

>>384595794
>why do they refuse to show us concurrent players?
It's a marketing tactic. They REFUSE to show us concurrent players because they want to inflate that number as much as possible through registered players rather than just showing us how many are playing in that week.
Say what you want about TF2's community at least it shows us how many people played in that week no matter how bad it was.

>>384609854
>>384598874
its not pay to win

MOBAs are a detriment to gaming, thank god Overwatch's fotm reign will end when Lawbreakers comes out.

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>>384589872
Agreed OP

>>384615791
nando may have the best character, but he isn't the best character. you still have to deal with hearthstone tier card unlocking too

>>384609184
>suicide bombing has cc immunity
Seem fair.

is tonight - dare i say it - the night?

>>384595318
stop playing on the community servers and play with people who are good that the game

Enemy Territory > literally every other game

>>384616302
but its not pay to win if you can unlock the best build for the best character at the start
you get 37k crystals which is more then enough to build the best drogoz

>>384590815
>Memestrafing

>>384589872
am I the only one who includeds R6:Siege in the class based/hero shooter genre?

>>384610838
fuck
What even is their plan for Astroid and Cactus Canyon?

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http://steamcharts.com/app/394230
176 players for a free to play game.,

>>384595478
Yes, I play it every day on the toilet, more fun than TF2 desu
>>384597886
>Niggerfield
You're not even trying are you?
>>384598417
>LAN
It isn't 1998 anymore. And yes you can play botmatch/practice in OW, they give you a dedicated server, and its better to practice with your normal ping.

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>>384595614
As of right now, I agree
Nothing will ever beat TF2 at it's prime for me.

>>384618123
Actually it's not free to play, it's a free trial

>>384612890
I watch it all, made me want to play some TF2 again but I'm holding out for Splatoon. I swear its not a meme that that game fixes a bunch of problems with the shooter genre, but it is different.

>>384617649
I wouldn't, it's too different. It's got way a lot more original ideas with its execution, it's the only among them with no respawn, and the kit is just more of a preference thing since one shot headshots are the great equalizer on all kits. It also has absolutely no ult mechanics and one cool down in the entire game.

>>384618818
>fixes a bunch of problems with the shooter genre
is having assbackwards voice chat and awful online support one of them?

> x > y
>they're all casual shooters

>>384619027
>no in game voice chat
>problem
lolwut

>splatoon
>bad online
pick one

>>384598874
>>384593783
>>384591934
>>384592195


The fuck are you on about? only a literal retard would pay for crystals, you get chests for free and can buy them with gold you get for free, which is also used to unlock characters, took me 50 hours to unlock all characters.
And by then i had most of the cards anyways, they even made a change so you get essence easier now.


The game is meh at best though.
filled with turks, russians and children.

>>384595716
I remember when F2P games had shit that was only available with cash and was straight up better than anything available for free regardless of grind.

The new generation of pay2notgrind games were considered a godsend. Now the tiniest exp boost will send autists into a flying rage.

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>>384597886
Beep beep meme incoming

>>384601527
As opposed to TF2? Where you got 0 content and, where they stripped the game of mechanics as shown here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1W5DU4zmAA
And only added shitty hats, for which the acquisition with their cancerous trading system turned the whole game into a giant meme.

>>384619459
>where they stripped the game of mechanics as shown here
what mechanics? literally just removed some fancy graphics options

>>384600073
It still runs like shit on my rig. And I have a beefy-ish PC.

>>384619187
>The fuck are you on about? only a literal retard would pay for packs, you get packs for free and can buy them with gold you get for free, which is also used to unlock arena

>>384600354
This is a game that tries to match people based on skill and number of people in the party. It really isnt't that crazy that 2 people will have different queue times.

>>384619615
If I'm not mistaken, unless valve fucked with how mods were handled again, you can actually mod that back in its just not in the default package so the game would run well even on old pcs with all the extra cosmetics.

so anyways I liked lawbreakers

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>>384593804
I'm glad it's back baby

>>384619724

You can make the best loadout for the best character right after completing the tutorial.

You can make the best loadout for three of the best characters right after completing the tutorial, allowing you to tank, heal or fill the damage role optimally.

Said best characters are also unlocked by default.

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>>384618818
Is a good video, and basically secured the fact I wont be playing Overwatch anytime soon Well, until the day Blizz decides to go full TF2 and go f2p once they have made enough money and need a second wind

>Dirty bomb

More like deady bomb

>>384620305
>tfw I like Proxy because I like going fast

I'm trying to stop playing her but she's fun.

what the fuck is dirty bomb