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How the fuck do you people get enough money to buy vidya?

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How the fuck do you people get enough money to buy vidya?
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>>384566781

By living in a country with strong worker's rights and a strong social safety net
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>>384566781
maybe you should try getting a job
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Buy old games used.
By the time you finish them, the new ones will be old and you can keep the cycle going!
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>>384566781
>get first job
>every 2 hours I earn enough to buy another full-price vidya
Higher education wasn't a meme after all.
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>>384566850
But that is communism!
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>>384566781
because i have to live/work in a big city where rent prices are crazy

i can afford vidya but will think twice these days of spending 50-70 bucks on it and usually rather wait for a price cut
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>>384566781

Work

Live with my parents at 28
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>>384566781
Does anyone here actually buy new games? Why not buy games later on sale?
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>>384566850

>American corporations: give up your unions and rights or we're going to have to ship your jobs overseas
>American workers: o..okay CEO Goldberg
>American corporations: lol, we're shipping your jobs overseas anyway

Always makes me laugh
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>>384567138

>we need to cut taxes on the rich and corporations, it will trickle down
>doesn't trickle down

Why are Americans so gullible?
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>>384566850
fpbp

irl i have an American friend who's entire life has been ruined by pancreatitis. he had surgery done so hell live but he'll never be debt free. thank god for the welfare state.

of course I buy my games almost excursively when they're on sale. I have more games than I'll ever play and I've given back the bare minimum. an ongoing theme in my life - feels good
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>>384566942
>get first job
>higher education
How old were you when you first started working?
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>>384567314
>Why are Americans so gullible?
Because it would be wrong to vote for the party that does not support Jesus!
What do you mean, the state wants me to help out other people? That is communism!
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>>384567314
Because they've been indoctrinated to believe that they're not poor, they're just waiting to be rich. So any time there's policies that fuck the poor but benefit the rich even those below the poverty line will defend it because one day they'll be the ultrarich pissing downwards.
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>>384567354
Here in Russia: medicine is free, but if you don't stealthly pay a doctor, you will die.
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>>384567491
It's true though. Fuck other people.
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>>384567653
That's fine, but then why pretend to be christian?
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I carry out tasks in exchange for tokens with which I can purchase goods and services, including video games.
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>>384566861
>when you go into the thread to make a post but someone already made it for you
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>>384567314
>man life sucks I bet its all because [CURRENT PARTY] but ill show em' ill vote for [PARTY, BUT WITH OTHER COLOUR]

>gets [SAME PARTY, OTHER COLOUR)

divide and conquer. da elephunt or da dunkey shoos ur freebums. (((they))) are ruining your country (((they))) ARE your country
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>>384566781
>work one day
>have enough cash to buy 3 vidyas

I'm a wagecuck and how can people not afford things?
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>>384567719
He's just being a good American Christian.
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>>384567463
>make 25k for 9 years starting at 16
>make 85k for 3 years starting at 22

really rumples the old stiltskins
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>>384567354
In Sweden healthcare is free. but you'll have to stand in line with Assyrians who are inferior in, and oblivious to, the Swedish customs of excellent line standings
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>>384566861
Okay, where?
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>>384568137
>>384567568
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I never pay more than £20 for a game. Prices drop so fucking quick now, games are cheap as fuck.
as long as you're on pc
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>>384567314
>hurrr rich people should work for free durrrrr
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>>384568137

or afghani, or iranian, or iraqi, or morrocan, etc.
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>>384568137
What? Enlighten me on the customs, I thought you have just to stand in line.
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>>384568286
>getting 3 million dollars rather than 3,2 million means working for free
This is the world view you have been cucked into.
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>>384567775
You're an assassin?
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I left college because of health reasons but now I refuse to go back because I'm sick of school and have no passions or motivation
what do I do for the rest of my life? never had a job either
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>>384568227
Majestic 12
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Buy on sale and bundles
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>>384568448
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>>384568456
application sent

wish me luck, anon.
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>>384568227
Really, nigger? Its literally impossible to not get hired flipping burgers somewhere even with no job experience.
>"being a wagecuck"
Okay, go to college/technical school.
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>>384568448
enjoy having a home while you can since every retard-friendly job is getting taken over by machines
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>>384566781
Either the gods of life actually give you a job without hassle, or you have to have a connection to help you get the job.

And I'm talking just basic wage shit.
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>>384568519
not if you're in your late 20's or higher and have a face that looks like it belongs on a sexual predators list.
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>>384568519
lurk more.
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>>384566781
Steam and gog sales. I already have so any games that playing them all would take me months. That and no new games that worth attention.
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>neet bux
>can buy literally all games
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>>384568619
Shave your mo and get a haircut you bum.
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>>384568286
>implying anybody deserves 3 million a year + bonus for being head of a burger merchant

really activates the almonds
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>>384566781
Depends, if you are living alone, try to share your flat with a mate to pay less in the rent. Also, as somebody said here already, university degree really makes the difference in salaries.
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>>384568536
Welcome to post-scarcity, sucks if your state demonized socialist democracy before reaching it.
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>>384567137
Hype culture and consolefags running out of games to play
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>>384566781
I walk a dog for a living and do odd jobs for neighbors, but I applied for a weekend car wash job to help me out a bit more with my busy schedule this semester, especially with a class I already did they won't let me transfer. I also steal quarters from shopping cart locks and build a change surplus I dump at Coinstar, always good for a digital game download or such. Debated on doing those online money surveys, but they must be pumped full of viruses.
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>Government gives unfair advantage to company that has government ties
>Said company abuses it's unfair advantage to force people to buy it's overpriced and shitty product (see: health insurance or TV-license in US)
>Retards vote for larger government stop le ebil corporations
>Larger government gives out even more unfair advantages that stifle competition

And the cycle continues
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>>384568718
People are paid relative to the value they bring to the company. Ergo, executives make the most. I can tell you're a #FightFor15 wagecuck because this is basic high school shit and you clearly dropped out.
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>"THERE IS NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER CAPITALISM!"
>- Posted from my iPhone
Really makes you think
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>>384567138
>just want stable, steady employment with a decent wage
>instead get a million calls from staffing agencies for temp jobs with no benefits, unpaid sick leaves, and the ability to get expelled at any given time
Who the FUCK made these things legal? I've been working "part time temp" for two years now, and it's a $12 an hour job that doesn't give sick days, vacation, or any chance at promotion.
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>>384568718
>I decide what things are worth!
Straight out of the mind of a narcissist
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>>384568137
Our healthcare system isn't completely free you mongoloid.
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>>384569113
Why didn't you get a degree from a tech university?
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>brother was the smart kid, went to an Ivy league school, and got an analyst position at Goldman Sachs on Wall Street
>he and 500 other analysts got laid off because Goldman Sachs got an AI to replace them

I'm scared bros. Are we going to get universal income or will everyone whose job gets replaced by machines get genocided?
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>>384569113
>Two parties both agree follow certain terms
>Wtf how is this legal???
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>>384568456
Maybe YOU should join majestic twelve, in a bodybag.
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>>384568519
I'd never thought of that. Thanks, Dad.
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>>384569303
>one party has all the cards, all the jobs, and all the methods of gainful employment
>the other guy is forced to accept those terms to survive
Wtf reading comprehension????
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>>384567719
I love my neighbors by not pitying them and giving them objects like one does to animals.
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>>384568946
>People are paid relative to the value they bring to the company.
that's bullshit and you know it. The US is renowned for having the greatest income disparity between high and low-level employees.
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>>384568608
Millenial detected.
Having a job is either extreme luck or a matter of "connections". Right, right. You know you sound a lot like Chris-chan?

Get out there, you lazy fuck!
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>>384567969
Try reading the bible retard. Context matters
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>>384568946
>wagies keep believing this
I'm sure goldstein will promote you in a few years!
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>>384569328
Thanks, I was worried nobody would respond with it.
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>>384569258
eh, basically
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I have a job and take advantage of Steam sales. Fun fact, I've never paid full price for a game.
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>>384566781
With a job. Even a shitty supermarket job will get you a couple of new games a month.
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>>384569394
Nobody but you is responsible for your bodily needs, you're not entitled to a cut of other peoples work because you exist, bub.

If you feel a deal is bad, you can say no to it.
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>>384569468
Probably because low level employees bring little value to the company.
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>>384569430
>if you help someone you don't help him!
>if you defeat your enemies they win!
Make up your mind already.
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>>384566781
>wheel of fortune millennial jokes

This should be on the front of a greeting card that no one buys
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>>384569653
i'm sure OP isn't interested in buying shovelware
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>>384568137
I miss the good old days where lines in Sweaden were straight and nobody was screaming.
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>>384569113
Free market forces made this legal anon.

>far more unemployed people than there are open jobs, simple supply and demand dictates that job standards go down
>removal of blue collar jobs for your average uneducated person leads all the uneducated people to move into service jobs and other entry level work
>absolutely pathetic regulation of minimum wage, holidays, and maternity leave combined with subtle McCarthyism mean that laziness equals evil and social benefits equal communism, to the detriment of workers

America is still pretty much the only place with no legally mandated holiday leave. Even the companies that provide good packages (by your country's standards) would be literally illegal in almost any other first world country, the UK for example has 28 days of leave per year, and at a lot of places that might not even include public holidays which add another 11 or so days.
I would say that only Japan treats its workers worse than the US, but at least Japanese people can find jobs, they're just all 12 hours a day of kissing your bosses ass.
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>>384566781
> Be payed 1400 europoor monies each month because I live in a first world country with decent minimal wages
> spend 400 into rent for a 40 m2 flat with separate bedroom
> spend about 200 each month into food because I cook it myself and don't blow it all into takeout junkfood
> 250 each month for my student loan, which was about 13k in total because I live in a country with reasonable tuition fees
> 200 for misc fees (taxes/insurances/electricity/internet)
>still have over 300 europoor monies at the end of the month
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>>384569069
Not really, you can't just cut yourself off from the system you live in even if you disagree with it.

>>384569113
But you can't hurt the profitability :< it was soooo baaaad back in the 70s and now it's sooo gooood.
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>>384566850
>giving the government 50% of your income means you have more money to buy video games

I can really tell a socialist wrote this >>384566861
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>>384569468
The answer is moderate wealth redistribution, through a negative income tax as opposed to a welfare bureaucratic nightmare
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>>384569394
Go get a blue collar job. Work that until something in your field opens up. Stop sucking the dick of companies because it's easier, blue collar shit pays well and it's always available.
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>>384566781
Is this loss
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>>384569795
>There exists massive market regulations that benefit already established companies and fuck over small ones
>This is somehow "free market"

When a socialist says "free market" or "capitalism", it's always cronyism they mean.
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>>384569719
How are those two things even the same?
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>>384569857
Are you stuck in 1955? You are aware that in vast swathes of the country there isn't any blue collar work left right?
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>people in this thread UNIRONICALLY supporting big business
I'm onto (((you))) guys.
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>>384568227
make one. businesses dont just magically appear. someone makes it.
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I work as a janitor, the one that actually gets paid for cleaning shit. Not the meme one.
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>>384569814
>Not really, you can't just cut yourself off from the system you live in even if you disagree with it.
It's not a question of cutting yourself off from a system (even though you are free to move to Venezuela). It's a matter of spending large amounts of money on frivolous shit, bottoming out, and then complaining that the system is fucking you.
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>>384569926
They are both contradictory sentiments, yet you probably mock one of them while agreeing with the other.
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>>384569857
>blue collar jobs not flooded with underpaid mexicans
Where the fuck do you live?
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Aight /v/, what Civ 5 civ should I play as next? I just finished a game as Poland and Korea, and also own all DLC.
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>>384569932
just travel out of town to find work

I'm being facetious of course. Only idiots would suggest that to other people.
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>>384570026
Millennials sit around playing videogames instead of working. My uncle had to hire illegals for his landscaping company because the advertisements he put in the paper and online went unanswered for months on end.
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>>384569969
You're literally a communist if you don't
>>>/r/eddit
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>>384570025
Giving gibs is incredibly destructive to the well-being of a community, thought.
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>>384568619
This is incorrect. When I was a burgerflipper, there was a time where a solid half of our workforce was 30+.
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>>384569978
there is no product or service that people want or need but don't have aside from things I don't have the means to obtain and sell at a profit, i.e. high luxury goods.
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stop buying avocado toast
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>>384567048
This. Though I'm 26 I work as a security guard and I could probably get by with a roommate or two, but my aunt and my mother are both enablers that don't want me to move out, and that extra few hundred a month from not paying rent is very nice. I feel bad, but not bad enough.
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>>384569695

Low level employees are the biggest asset to the company. Take my field for example. I work in the hospitality business in a 5 start hotel in Miami Beach (the hotel does not offer 5 start services or amenities, but people on trip advisor keep calling the hotel 5 start because of the prices)

Each week we have department meetings with all leaders to discuss last week's operations. Every single week it turns into a speech to treat our low level employees better as they are the face of our property, the ones who deal directly with the guests.

Are the employees recognized with.konetary compensation? No, we give them ice cream and coffee every couple of days.

Companies know the low level employees carry the most weight but simply refuse to give them the wages hey deserve, because the directors and exec members can't be fucked to lower their own wages or bonuses. Our director of revenue got a 74k bonus this year for all the sales made. Director of front office made 32k in bonuses. We fired 3 front office agents because they called out sick 2 times in a row.
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>>384570097
>oy vey h-he HAD to hire illegals
>think of the employer!!!
Maybe no one wants to do backbreaking work for whatever peanuts your uncle wanted to pay.
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>>384566781
With a job
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>>384570097
This may have something to do with millenials being promised that getting a college degree meant they wouldn't have to work 16 hours a day literally breaking their backs in 190 degree heat for minimum wage.
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>>384569273
Because literally my entire life up until the past four or five years or so, people were telling me to go STEM because there's always jobs there. different anon, but a very similar situation.
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>developed country bitches cry about 12-15$/h wage
>live in eastern europe
>if you have a decent job earn around 5$/h
>everything costs the same or more then in the west / US
>politicians wonder why every young person goes aboard

Gee I have no idea.
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>>384570109
Communism is just one brand of socialism, though. There are good kinds of socialism, like socialist democracy.

>>384570145
Dunno, western Europe mostly has higher living standards than the US.
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>>384570212
>Don't want to work
>Wtf where are all the jobs?
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Buy not smoking and buying shit. I have no idea how people find the money to fucking keep smoking as a habit. Prices just went up recently too.
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>>384569590
Deus Ex stuff is the best.
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>>384567969
But Anon, Jesus and Jeezus are good friends.
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>>384570097
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>>384570212
>landscaping
>backbreaking work
Only if you are a complete fucking weakling.
>peanuts
Pays well above minimum wage. Or did you think you'd be able to purchase a house after working a week?

>>384570272
>16 hours a day literally breaking their backs in 190 degree heat
I wasn't aware we had mines on Venus.

>>384570331
28 you dumb nigger.
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>>384569897
On this particular issue there isn't that much regulation anon, I'm not saying the entire market is free, I'm saying that anyone working an entry level job is effectively in a free market because they are in competition with literally every other unemployed person in the area.
Because there is no regulation is why the companies have so much power in this situation. You don't have to treat your employees very well and people will still line up to take the last sap's job. It's taken even more to the extreme in those states with ridiculous "at-will" employment that pretty much allow companies to skirt all regulation regarding labour laws under the mantra of "if you don't like it, fuck off, we'll find someone who does".
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>>384570171
wrong. you could literally sell balloons near the closest mall, learn to make balloon animals, and sell air.

the reality isnt that there isnt anything to do, its that there isnt anything you can think of doing. shit nigga you dont even have to leave your chair to be making some money on some shirt selling site or whatever the fuck you cant be bothered looking into
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>>384570005
>even though you are free to move to Venezuela

You literally aren't.

And an iphone isn't actually terribly frivolous. You'd complain just as much if they spent more money on a fair trade phone as well. These bits of technology are quite useful to day to day life as they overtake PC's for most people's functions.

>>384570205
Don't forget they can't be bothered to pay a fair share of taxation. If we raided all the major tax havens there would be enough money there RIGHT NOW to run the US for years.
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>>384568328
asking a Swedish person how to properly stand in a line is like asking a Italian how to properly prepare Italian cuisine. it cant be properly explained in writing alone. the essential spacing and timing and the sublimity of the geometry is key. lines in Sweden form naturally, for example if you left a group of swedes in an empty room a orderly and efficient line would eventually form even if it has no destination. Swedish people will even stand in line when they're alone.
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>>384570205
You're missing the point. A /single/ low level employee is worthless and replaceable in five minutes. a /single/ CEO suddenly leaving can do irreparable damage to the entire company. Now, if ALL the low level employees suddenly quit, then the company would probably go under and that's where unions come in. And of course, there are some exceptions when you get incredibly valuable low level employees, but that's the general idea. But America has been successfully brainwashed into thinking unions are bad. But that's a whole other issue.
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>>384570289
>There are good kinds of socialism
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>>384566781
How did millennials become the internet's favourite group of people to hate? Millennials use the internet more than anyone. Heck, I'd be willing to bet 99% of /v/ users are millennials, whether they know it or not, and yet they join in on the hate.
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I get about £720/month for having OCD!
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>>384570293
>Don't want to work an intensive job for a piss amount you can only realistically live on if you're an unregistered illegal not paying taxes
Fuck off Weinstein
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>>384566781
>be programmer
>contract work at $135/hour
>only work every now and again when I need money.
>make piss easy node apps for people with small business and shit
>can walk into a full time position whenever I want

So glad my friend convinced me to do computer class in high school.
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>>384570289
I live in Sweden and I hate when ignorant ameritards tout my country as an example of why socialism is so great. You do realize there's a lot of other factors weighing into living standards of a country other than wether or not your healthcare system is government subsedized.

We pay abusrdely high taxes (30-50% income tax then 25% sales tax on all goods except food) and we get our tax money spent on absolutely lackluster, if not straight up garbage, governmental services. We are on a downward curve here precisely because we have this shitty socialism. Our success was thanks to us being extremely prosperous in the early 1900s thanks to having a free market system WITHOUT government intervention like we have everywhere now.
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>>384570293
>Want to do the thing I went to college to learn how to do
>Nevermind I'll just do some blue collar shit that won't even start to chip away at the tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt I'll be paying off until I'm 60
>Jobs I actually want finally become available but no one will hire me for them because I spent years doing blue collar shit instead of working in my field
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>>384570391
>its that there isnt anything you can think of doing.
This is a big part of it, agreed. I'm using all my down time to learn how to sculpt and start a toy company along with finally learning moon. Even if the toy company doesn't work out, at least knowing moon will make me slightly more valuable.
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>>384570470
its self deprecation, we're all super depressed
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>>384570470
People like buzzwords and overreacting
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>>384570542
Beggars can't be choosers. You wouldn't say what you're saying now if you were an individual with attractive skills. Nobody is responsible for you but you.
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>>384570430
CEO's are insanely interchangeable, hell half of them company hop every couple of years anyway.

>tfw even the burgers are waking up to how bullshit society is.

Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath it's folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here
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>>384570470
people are retarded
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>>384570470
Because half of the internet doesn't know what a millenial actually is. I'm serious, I guarantee half the people in this very thread think a millenial is someone born after 2000, ie, someone born after the millenium. And they don't realize how far back it goes. Plenty of anons are pushing thirty and don't realize they're included in millenials too.
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>>384570470
Because millenials want to take away jobs from baby boomers who got fucked out of their retirement savings when shit went south.
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I have rich parents
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>>384570661
In other words, "millenials" replaced then name "Generation Y" without anybody actually realise it.
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>>384570574
Yes, some college degrees are really shit and your situation is not the best. Nobody should be forced to take care of you, thought.
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>>384570458
>r/fountainhead
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>dad says I'm too old to get an allowance anymore at 20
>tells me to get a job
>can't because of social anxiety
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>>384570470
>things millenials want
>basically what their parents had
>what they get
>3 part time jobs, everything costing twice as much as it used to and no feasible way to get onto the property ladder

>how millenials react
>this is fucking bullshit
>how boomers react
>man stop being so lazy [moves to a more expensive house while taking their old low tax code with them]
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>dude just get a job
>all jobs pay shit

Kill me
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>>384570574
You should have gotten a more desirable degree.
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>>384570646
I'm not the person you're replying to
I'm doing well for myself in the aforementioned field because I had the luck of living in an area with a low amount of immigrants. It's called sympathy.
No self-respecting first world man should need to put in the sheer amount of effort required to compete with Juan, Mendoza, and their 15 housemates all paying the same rent and not paying taxes working for half minimum wage.
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>>384569786
I have hacked line standing by just cutting in line when possible and people generally won't say anything since most Swedes are affraid of conflict. People might mutter och sigh loudly or complain to the person next to them at most
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>>384570647
Get out commie.
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>>384570572
I live in Germany though. We have great infrastructure, education, economy, etc. Yes, I pay taxes, but I can afford everything I want.
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>>384570841
>not knowing the red flag is a trade unionist song
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>>384566948
>buy
>communism
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>>384570059
Assyria
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>>384570741
Yes, that's exactly right actually. Gen Z for the 2000s kids will be replaced once a better name is thought up too. I hated the term gen y. I don't think it's right to define a generation in relation to its previous generation.
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>>384566781
They live with their parents. Most of the "richfags" on /v/ are living with their parents and spending their money on vidya.

Anyone with an actual career, life, and bills to pay isn't spending their money on 5+ consoles and games, as we don't have enough TIME to make them worthwhile.

I have a PS4 and a WiiU, and that's it, and the WiiU is hacked. Out of all the games that have come out this year for PS4, I've only bought Blazblue. I look forward to picking up Tekken 7, and the Rev 2 update for Guilty Gear soon, and that's it. I'll pick up NieR, and Nioh, and Persona 5 when I have time to sit down and properly play them. On the WiiU, it's essentially ca Smash machine for me.
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>>384570890
That's what happens when you're not a burger.
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>>384570806
Fucking hell I earned more than that working as a dishwasher five hours a day for four days a week
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>>384570470
Self hate and guilt is the theme of this generation as with the hippy generation it was peace and love. Fucking sick of this self loathing bullshit, have some fucking pride.
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>>384570430
Unions are generally bad and unncessary with modern workers rights. My experience with unions is a shit worker that can't be fired because he's protected, paying into a union each month that offers me nothing, draining my paycheck even more, and now demanding that highly paid voice actors be given royalties. The entire purpose of the rise of unions was to prevent workers from being fired or mistreated because they sustained injuries on work, or got pregnant, etc. The type of malicious shit companies used to pull that is now illegal.
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>>384570646
>have first class Master's degree in the field
>apply for entry-level grunt work in the field that literal teenagers could do with a few weeks of training
>"sorry we can't take you on, we require a year of experience in the field"
>repeat several dozen times over until you find an employer who actually cares about getting his employee's careers moving
My point being that anyone trying to get into their first job doesn't have "attractive skills" by the definition of many companies, and none of them will teach you skills if you don't already have them. Do you see the problem here?
Fuck me, and I don't even live in the USA, it must be torture for fresh graduates over there.
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>>384570808
I was told that STEM was valuable from every single source I spoke to. I'm sorry I can't predict the future.
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>>384570816
Then do what you can to help the people you sympathize with, but you can't force others to do what you want via government without it being immoral.
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>>384570958
?

I'm a bong, the red flag is like, one of the oldest trade unionist songs, dates to the 1880s.
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>>384567963
It's a question of time for me, not money.
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My first answer was going to be "I'm a richfag" but regardless of that I rarely buy games at release since I've already got a massive backlog and most of the time you can get them for half price or even less within 6 months or wait even longer and just get them in a bundle or big sale for barely anything.
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>>384571009
STEM degrees are still valuable.
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>>384570757
I studied information systems and want to be doing high level IT work. There's plenty of demand in the industry, but the vast majority of it is dead end bullshit that wants you to be a one man army for a poverty wage with no benefits.

I was lucky enough to find a high paying job that I loved at the beginning of 2016 and everything was awesome. My life was on track, I was finally able to afford everything I wanted and could comfortably pay down my debts worry-free. Then some guy in a suit decided he could save a couple of bucks by replacing me with cheaper Indian labor and fired me a few days before Christmas. Seven months later I'm still unemployed despite having a fantastic resume because the only offers out there are through jew agencies that want to farm me out for short term contracts until I die.

The bottom line is you can do everything right and bust your ass off all you want, but your success is still determined by a fucking dice roll and everything can be taken away from you on a whim. Millenials watched this happen to their parents and are experiencing it happening to them, so is it any fucking wonder they don't want to work?
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>>384570849
Germany could be even better with a free, libertarian market. There is no doubt libertarian market principles create higher standards of living.

Germany being okay isn't a case for socialism being good. Compare actual free markets like Hong Kong to extremely regulated ones like the US, Sweden and even Venezuela.
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>>384570986
>highly paid

VA's aren't actually that well paid.

Also >muh shit workers that can't be fired

Yeah this happens, but there's ways of dealing with that internally if you actually engage with unionism. And no, half the shit you say is literally still a thing, there is no maternity pay for women in the US in most places.

>>384570965
To be fair, it's not hard to see why, since 2008 the idea of getting off the ground has been dead, life starts at 30 is becoming more than just a phrase to keep people from feeling old, it's becoming reality.
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>>384571027
So why would you expect people on /v/ to know a trade union song? Most people are here are unemployed and the rest I would doubt would either be in a union or require one.
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>>384571013
>but you can't force others to do what you want via government without it being immoral.
I wouldn't need to if these glorified slaves weren't hopping over the border and doing our jobs for half the price while leeching off of welfare systems they aren't contributing to.
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>>384568448
someone please help me secure my future cause I don't know how to
I don't have the responsibility to work and care for myself
I don't even know how to cook easy meals or wash clothes or how to drive or how taxes work or fucking anything
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>>384570545
>wanted to do computer programming class in high school
>class was full so I couldn't get in
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>>384569680
Yeah, if you live with your parents. Some of us have bills to pay, and social lives to maintain friendo.
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>>384570986
What modern worker's rights would those be?
The right to exactly zero vacation days a year? The right to a minimum wage that wouldn't even cover rent in a lot of cities? The right to "at-will" employment where a company can fire you for literally whatever reason (even ones which are federally illegal) because the companies write the laws?

Just because a company isn't allowed to put children in the coal mines and neglect fire safety doesn't mean you have good worker's rights.
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>>384571148
Germany would literally never be libertarian, that's the least german thing ever.
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>>384566861
That's right goyim,
better spend your entire life for a shitty job that you don't even like.
remember to feed the woman and children when we are busy corrupting their mind with social medias.
Good Goyim.
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>>384570289
Communism, socialism, call it what you like.

There's very little difference in the two.
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What the hell are you guys spending money on where you cant get by on a single, full time job. I only make 2000€ per month as a research assistant, and that's more than enough to get by. Food, rent, and bills take 1000€. The rest can be blown on anything I want. And this is an entry level job.
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>spent 5 years in college getting my master's degree in mechanical engineering
>get a job
>50k starting
>6 years later up to 100k a year
>pretty much my ceiling
>have $20k saved up
>looking to buy a house
>all the ones within 10 miles of my job are in the 400-500k price range
>need 10% down payment for the mortgage
>that's 20k-30k more than I have if I use all my savings
>make 100k a year and still feel poor as shit

I guess I'll just rent forever then
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>always eating home-made food (cheaper)
>cutting expenses down to a minimum cost for maximum effectiveness (cell service providers, ISPs)
>no cable subscription, chromecast everything instead
>rarely buy new clothes
>let people pay for shit if they offer to (drinks out, food out, etc)

These are my tactics
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>>384570986
Unions are a necessary evil, and I have witnessed both sides of the coin firsthand. It's the only sort of job security you can hope for in the world of at-will employment, despite the laziness it promotes.
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>>384571137
Yes, sometimes others can offer the companies better deals than you can. If Pajeet was more attractive to hire than you, why wouldn't they swap you out? I know it stings to be burned like that, but you agreed to those terms.
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>>384566781
Because I live in a country where I get paid to go to school after I am 18 instead of living in some backwards ass country?
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>>384571284
>within 10 miles of my job
>400-500k price range
bedroom communities exists for a reason
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>>384571264
That's like saying a fee is the same thing as an executions because they are both forms of punishment.
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>>384571284
>2017
>expecting to own a house

LOL
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>>384571196
The best time to learn react/node was 3 years ago. The second best time is now.
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>>384571114
Tell that to the fact that I'm a security guard 4 years out of college. Not that it's a terrible job, it's 90 percent me sitting at a computer and shitposting on 4chan.
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>>384571161
desu I don't I just kinda like pointing out people don't know shit about the trade unionism they dismiss out of hand because of their brainwashing.

>>384571204
This is a thing put out a few years ago. This is genuinely what the rich in the US expect you to do now.
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Here in russia we can't understand the concept of paying for digital media. Most of my friends pirate everything. Can't blame them, we all make about 1.5$/hr
I buy stuff through steam only if I wont to support the dev (e.g. Underrail, Terraria) or if I want to have the latest patched version
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>>384571264
What about National Socialism?
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>>384571243
Doesn't matter if it would happen or not. There's no denying Germany would be more prosperous with libertarian market principles.

Also pretty sure many big names within libertarianism are Austrian, so I don't know about it "not being german".
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>>384571264
>american education
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>>384571268
>I only make €24000 a year and live in a cheap as fuck flat that's nowhere near a city centre
These people are Americans anon, the minimum wage for a 40 hours a week job over there is like $7.50 an hour ($15600 a year).
I suspect even then many of the people complaining aren't actually employed or live somewhere way too expensive, which are problems in and of themselves.
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>>384571470
>nationalism in two thousand and seventeen

LMAO
Learn about globalism, kiddo
Go read A Very Brief Introduction to Globalism by Manfred B. Sterger. It's a neat little pocket book, and I guarantee you'll learn at least 10 major things from it.
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>>384571508
I mean, if you were economically literate that might be a helpful starting position. Libertarian economics is a meme that no one that studies it actually respects any more. And there's entire schools which consider the mainstream to be just as bunk because anyone that studied Kalecki or Piketty in the last few decades could have told you everything they thought was impossible.

Liberalised finance is the biggest mistake in the last 50 years.
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>>384571284
Do you live in Sydney or Perth?
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>>384569823
Even if the government takes 50% of your income you still have an income. If don't have any income at all it doesn't matter if the government is taking nothing because 100% of 0 is still 0.
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>>384571508
When people say German they mean Prussian.
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>>384571527
Ain't I right though?
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>>384571703
No.
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I do odd jobs and live off oats, spending all my money on beer and video games
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>>384571470
>National Socialism?

Literally a meme name, it would be closer to call it national corporatism. The only person that wanted any of the socialism in there was murdered during the night of the long knives, and I doubt you'll encounter more than like, 5 Stresserites in the entire world.
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>got 60 grand from a settlement
what should I do with it
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>>384571703
No, not at all. Not at all AT ALL. But with american education and culture still encapsulating the red scare, you are not able to differentiate between these two things.
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>>384571661
Dumbest shit I've read, there are many more types of germans than just prussians.
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>>384566850
>this kills the Trumpfags
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>>384571193

Military.

Its a stable environment where you are told what to do. Given Rent and Food free so even if you blow all your cash you still can survive. Given Any loan you want through military finance institutions like navy federal. Along with Low APR. Given free school where you can take 1 class and pocket the rest of the 5k they give you. Marry a friend boy or gal and double your paycheck to 4k a month. And even if it all fails you still have Post 9/11 and M GI bill.
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>>384571795
Save it for a house down payment or invest it would be my first two thoughts. Car's probably not a good idea unless you desperately need one because of the excise tax and insurance and all that.
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I have wealthy parents and I still dont see myself ever having my own house. I can't even get more than 22 hours at my shitty wagecuck job
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>>384571795
Go to Vegas and party hard
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>>384571942
>TFW the Navy board just called me back and told me they didn't select me.
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I have a good job.
But since I live in Poland, I usually wait for game's first sale since nowadays games get 20-30% sale few months after release.
Or 50% sale after half of year.

Also, I stopped buying cheap trash games and bundles.
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>>384571826
>Schwaben is Bavarian
You could get killed for that.
Also, why are west and north frisian listed, but not east frisian?

Anyway, when Germany was finally unified it was under Prussia, thuse a lot of it's culture and the typical German clichés are of Prussian origins.
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>>384571979
A friend of mine is in that exact situation. fortunately his dad decided he really likes scuba diving so now he's getting trained to work in his dive shop. But still, it's not exactly great.
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>1950's
>top tax rate is 92%
>government has money to pay down debt from ww2 and invest in lots of infrastructure
>jobs are easy to find and pay well
>my grandpa dropped out of high school at 17 and literally shoveled cool at a nearby plant and joined the union
>paid enough to support my grandma and their 4 kids
>saved up to buy a house ($10k) and a brand new Ford Thunderbird ($2,200)
>worked his way up into management and retired with a full pension
>2010's
>top tax rate is 35%
>crumbling infrastructure and national debt keeps rising
>need at least a bachelor's degree
>jobs pay shit
>median household income is $50k
>average home is well over $200k
>average new car is $30k
>almost no unions
>no more pensions

Where did things go so wrong?
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>>384571284
>50k starting
>now make 100k a year
>have $20k saved up
why?
where did u spent your money??
u could had saved 50k a year if 50k is enough for your expenses back then.
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>>384570806
Jesus Christ, you literally earn more at McDonalds and get benefits too.
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>Make ~$900 a week
>Have roughly $200 a week in expenses
That's how
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>>384571384
>but you agreed to those terms
There are literally no other terms you stupid fucker. Pajeet will never be able to do my job as well as I do, but he will always be cheaper, and the amount of companies willing to actually pay for quality instead of doing everything in their power to shave down labor costs will always be infinitesimal. This is how it works in the US, you're more likely to win the lottery than find a stable job with any sort of protections.

There is legitimately no reason whatsoever for me or anyone in my position to want to participate in a workforce that demands 70+ hours a week with no overtime pay, max 10 vacation days per year, pathetic health coverage that requires me to pay out of pocket for a supplemental plan, etc. with absolutely zero safety net. Yes, come slave away for us and sacrifice your lifestyle and all of your free time for the kind of salary that only barely allows you to survive. Hope you're putting 95% of your disposable income into savings so you can continue to survive after we arbitrarily push the undo button on your life.
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>>384572046

Well The navy is basically low tier air-force.
Army is your next best bet.
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>75K a year celery
>30K savings
>rent is 900 euroshekels
>want to buy appartment
>270K for 75 square meters
>no balcony/big window
>4th floor, no elevator

And if I live the city I'll just spend 2 hours a day in traffic. This is retarded.
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>>384571435
hey, I've heard that line before about planting a tree 20 years ago.

But anyway, I've already learnt how to use game maker and unity and can easily learn more about them with google. now I just need to learn how to art, which is awful.

Still, it would have been good to have those 3 years more education in coding.
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>>384572071
you let the jews in
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>>384570806
>Less than 2 dollars per hour
Is that even allowed?
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>>384572071
The liberalisation of finance in the 1970s. Regan and Thatcher fucked us up bad. The free movement of finance is what allows people to just move jobs to china and the like so easily. It was done systemically because there was an on-going tug of war where prices rose, wages rose and there was inflation. This hurt creditors because the real value of mortgages would fall. So they funded a market friendly revolution.

http://delong.typepad.com/kalecki43.pdf

It's all in here. This guy predicted this shit in 1943.
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>>384572071
der Juden
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>>384572085

1. After taxes I have 75k left
2. Rent is $2k a month
3. My mother is old and sick. Obamacare saved her ass, but I max out on deductibles for her and other expenses to take care of her
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>>384570171
go mine virtual coins. bank will give u a loan for the GPUs
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>>384567969
>abortion
>on this issue shalt thou vote and on this alone
Isn't it like, majority of lefties consider abortion a more important issue than jobs, taxes and immigration? Or was it just women?
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>>384571447
Lol can't believe they expect us to monitor our own cash flows and budget it!!
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>>384566781
Just have rich relatives that like you, it's not that hard.
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>>384572085
>What are tax brackets
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>>384572181
Nah, I applied to be an oceanographer/meteorologist and there aren't really comparable jobs in other services. I knew i had a very small chance, and was basically applying so I could use the military service to get bumped to the top of the environmental police list, but it looks like that's not happening either. Maybe I'll just go to fucking seminary school or something. Being a military chaplain sounds really neat.
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>>384571942
Fuck off, Goldstein. Go recruit somewhere else.

>oy vey, won't you go die for my oil, goyim? It's very easy!
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>>384572298
>lefties
They're not spending fucking years trying to overturn Roe V. Wade
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>>384570416
>Swedish people will even stand in line when they're alone.
Neat.
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>>384570481
>Yale
>minimum wage
Is this about the gender studies majors meme?
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>>384572317
>work 2 full time jobs then you can afford the absolute basics

This is the insulting part.
>>
>Neet bux
>just bought a new €450 smartphone
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>>384570501
Wow that's a fortune. Way to go anon.
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>>384572490
>the absolute basics
>no food budget
>>
>democrats
>flood country with immigrants
>push PC and sjw culture
>republicans
>cut taxes for the rich and corporations
>offset the lower tax revenue by cutting services that are used by the non-rich

One side wants to fuck our mouth and the other side wants to fuck our ass. What's the point anymore?
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>>384572490
>ugh, working at two McDonald's AND Burger King full time is the worst!
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Who here /neverhadaproblemgettingajob/?
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I lost my 450€ job a few weeks ago and ever since then I have been laying in bed all day. Officially I am studying, but I haven't been going to university in about a year. My savings will run dry next months. I will probably die.
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>>384572486
What are you even trying to say?
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>>384566781
>Millennials can't into money management and living below their means

Color me surprised

t. millennial homeowner
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>>384572556
I'm generally assuming that 27 dollars a day is for breakfast on the way to job 1, lunch on the way to job 2.
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>>384566781

by being an employed college student that lives with his parents
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>>384572607
Most of the jobs I've had I didn't even apply for. I got a call from a place saying they saw my CV online and want to hire me.
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>>384571447
Hahahaha what corporate fuckhead wrote that list up? I read "(2nd job)" and burst out laughing.
>heheh just get 5 jobs, goyim! we don't need to pay you, just work so much that you literally do nothing but work around the clock! don't forget to find a woman to breed with so you have to work even more to pay for them too!
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>>384570481
Congratulations -- you just discovered why government-backed, non-dischargeable college loans are a bad idea.
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>>384570289
>social democracy
>good
Nigga, you serious?
Socdem is just capitalism with a human face
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Useless BFA fag here. Artists get paid shit in the U.S. so I had to claw my way up through retail ranks to finally be a store manager if a local used video game store.

Still make less than $30 k a year but I make enough to live comfortably and play vidya.
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>>384570501
What the fuck

>>384572616
>haha my daddy gave me lots of money and a home! It's so easy! What's wrong with you guys?
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>>384572273
that's still saving 25k a year.
u had 6 years, which should probably give u around 100k savings.
2k rent a month is just 24k a year, which still leaves u 50k for expenses and savings if you don't spend carelessly.
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I live in an affordable area and rarely spend beyond my means. Cities have shows/concerts/museums, but I can just drive to go see them. Never understood why paying 4-5 times the same amount of rent each month was attractive to some people.
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>>384571204
>Vacation days
>Right
A right is not being fired because you looked at the boss wrong. A vacation day is a privilege you pampered fuck.
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>>384569286
Clearly not smart enough, should have gone to a technical field.
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>>384570789
See a psychologist and slowly step out of your comfort zone.
>>
Everything will be fine once the boomers die, right?
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>>384572071
(((Free Market)))
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>>384572785
Getting the weekends off is a privilege too.
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>>384572727
It is capitalism that does not see its civillians as prey, but rather as human beings that sometimes need help.
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>>384572819
A number of millennials have become boomer-copies

Nothing is going to be okay
Nothing will ever be okay
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>>384572785
Having a good standard of living is a right worth fighting for anon.

100 years ago you'd have been saying shit like.

>12 hour work day
>right

A right is not having to live in a company town you pampered fuck.
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>>384572735
Do you at least make art in your spare time?
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>>384572704
Apparently it was a collaboration between McDonald's and Visa to teach low level service employees how to budget.
Comically they totally underestimated how much a person actually pays for a lot of stuff and still couldn't get the budget to fit into the wage of one fulltime job.

>>384572785
>this is what Americans actually fucking believe
In EVERY other first world country vacation days are a legally protected right. Even fucking Afghanistan and China entitle workers to paid days off.
The only nations who don't see this as a right are the USA and a couple of pacific island nations like Tonga
>>
Got a CS degree, making just short of six figures for an airline.

Stay in school, kids.
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>>384572486
Pay attention to what you read anon. What the image coveys (I don't know if it's corrector not) is that in 1970 you could pay for Yale while working part-time at minimum wage while in 2014 you would need to work 17 hours daily to pay tuition there.
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>>384572891
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*dies at the age of 8 in a slave cobalt mine being funded by a United States mining corporation*
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>>384571446
I feel you fellow lazy Homer Simpson Power Plant Technician. I work for a company that manages satellite dish arrays, there's 5 minutes of work every hour, the rest of the time I have my feet on my desk watching Youtube videos, torrented movies or playing my 3DS.

The pay's also really good with a pension plan and health benefits.

Literally the only downside is that I have to occasionally interact with people infinitely smarter than me and sometimes it bums me out but then I think of the billions of people who are worse off than me and everything's ok again.
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>>384571196
Whats stopping you from self learning? What are you? Lazy?
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>>384566781
By not buying at launch and from major outlets. Recently I dropped £3 on Borderlands the pre sequel new off amazon, patience is the key. That and a massive backlog that stretches back decades you can spend a pittance on to enjoy.

You don't need the shiniest new game asap
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Corporations are so big you don't even know who you're working for. That's terror. Terror built into the system.
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>>384572737

Joke's on you!
My dad wants nothing to do with me
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>>384570789
Nice excuse
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>>384573006
>unironically living in the USA
Maybe that is your problem.
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>>384566850
Unions destroyed manufacturing in America. This bitch is why I can't get a job.
>MUH 6 HOUR WORK DAY MUH 20 DOLLAR MINIMUM WAGE
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>in the middle of a new job hunting
>stressed out of my introverted mind
>h-hey I'll go to /v/ and take my mind of RL for a moment
>this thread

Fuck you.
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>>384573120
*deflects*
Heh... you'll have to try harder, kiddo....
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>>384572335
>I don't understand tax brackets
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>>384566781
>make ~$80k/year
>wife makes another 30k with her business

I still feel poor as fuck, but I can afford to buy some vidya games every now and again.
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>>384571972
I don't know how to invest and I really don't want to take risks or deal with the responsibility of managing an investment
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>>384571447
It feels like a lot for cable/phone. I assume it includes internet connection. Are those normal costs in US?
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>>384570789
Just do something you pussy, I had social anxiety and realised one day I was being a twink bitch. Got a job, still get anxious every now and then but you get past it.
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>>384573071
You're too late, I surrender
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>>384571114
No they're not.

t. cashier chemist
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>>384573151
This post reeks of reddit
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>>384573135
No, greedy fucking corporate heads destroyed manufacturing in America.
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>>384571114
>Get memed into stem
>Get memed into health
>Get memed into pharmacy
150k in debt later and my "Doctorate" is fucking useless because the field is saturated as fuck.
Fuck off with the stem shit. Its been over for a decade now.
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>>384573229
Your mom's mouth reeks of my dick.
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>>384572819
There's too many people in the world right now. There's going to be a lot more by the time they've gone AND there'll be a shitload more automation
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>2017
>there are still """people""" that believe worker's rights and unions are bad
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>>384573175
I could teleport behind you right now, but I don't have to.
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>>384566781
Living with my parents as long as I possibly can. Fuck I'm probably staying in this house even after they pass on unless I decide to move to a different country.
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>>384573192
Post your face when I pay that alone for my cell phone bill, monthly. I get unlimited call time, 200 text messages, and 2GB of cell data.

I can't modify my plan to cut out/down call time.
Paying for more data would bump it up to $150.

The next best option is $50 a month at another company for the same package, but I would need to pay through to nose at my current provider to unlock my phone.
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>>384573151
If you're feeling the pressure of the economy, just remember that what you're going through today is nothing compared to the complete fucking shitstorm that's coming within the next 10 years and that no matter how hard you work or how much you save today, you and everyone you know and love are basically fucked.
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>>384572819
no
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>>384569857
this, I'm going back into warehouse work. It's zero stress and free exercise. I was promoted 18 months ago and got fat really quickly sat on my ass for 10 hours a day.
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>>384572926

I do, actually. And I do get paid for my work, but if I tried to survive off that work alone I'd literally be homeless. I HAVE to have a supplemental income. That being said, I have to manage my time carefully and lots of nights I'm too tired/exhausted from my day job to do anything creatively but I make time to do what I love. I would probably go insane otherwise.

Point is, you can do what you love and still live comfortably anons. Nothing is without a mix of hard work and sacrifice/compromise though.
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>>384571001
I have a fucking Ivy League masters degree and 5 years of experience in my field and I can't get a fucking job in the US.
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>>384573190
If you don't want risks, toss it in a savings account and save it for a house. If you just don't know where to start, find an investment manager. The lawyer that helped with your settlement might know one and if not, I'm sure there's one at your bank.
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>>384573320
The brainwashing works, otherwise it wouldn't be done.
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>>384572591
>Ugh, I can't believe people are complaining about needing two jobs, what weak faggots!

Is America actually third world now? Do you need an even bigger wheelbarrow full of money to buy your bread than the average zimbabwean? I mean your country is smelly and filled with Africans.
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>>384573362
dang
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>>384573367
Labour is already cheaper than automation. It took mcdonalds the 15 dollar minimum wage to cut SOME of their employees for machines. You are literally cheaper than a touchscreen to mcdonalds in several states. Let that sink in.

This is why the automation meme will take longer to kick in.
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>>384566781
My family isn't poor
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>>384573328
>he can't afford to use the teleportation services provided by the United States Teleportation Services
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>>384572692
This just happened to me too
>finish school
>too lazy to apply for jobs
>finally create my cv and upload it to a website but still not sens because I enjoy being free
>get a call next day for a good paying job
Wish me luck boys
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>>384566781
The better question is how do you get money without neetbux or being a wagecuck
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>>384573336
I envy you anon. If I stop working to afford housing I literally go homeless, wish I had a place to be and save money and get better education. Definitely stay there as long as you can.
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We need another world war. The prolonged homeland peace simply can't handle the population levels and the best way for a fast increase in the quality of life is the peace that comes after war. Look at Germany before and after the Thirty Years War. They went from zero to the fast track to becoming a world superpower that required all of Europe + more to stop them on two occasions. War pulled America out of the Great Depression. War is the answer, it's just not a very pretty one.
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>>384573202
I tried that but had to quit after 2 years of anxiety building up and just dropped a speech class after realizing the more I practice the worse it seems to go.
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>>384566781
I saved money for most of my life got my self a parking lot in a now really busy area of the city and also sell my of peanut sauce while I work on automating a greenhouse where I grow spices for my sauce and sell the rest I produce and I also got a grant to start my PhD next year focusing on control.
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>>384573440
Try to find a job in europe?
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>>384568913
>coinstar
You literally pay them to give you less money back. Be a fucking man and make the cashier count those pennies. They are legally not allowed to refuse you service if you make a good faith effort to pay in legal tender.
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>>384573597
Another war would be fucking disastrous economically.

WW1 and WW2 were both fucking catastrophic. War pulled it out of the depression because it killed the British Empire to do so.
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>>384573071
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
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>>384573362
How the fuck is that a thing? That same package costs like 10 euro here.
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>tfw shitposting from work right now
Came out of sixth form at 18, was a NEET for about three months while applying for jobs, and now I'm a graphic designer.
Life's going good!
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>>384573597
yeah i'm sure a couple of nuclear craters would really fix the economy
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>>384566850
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>>384570193
Where did this meme even come from?
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>>384573597
Or we could have a populace that vote for politicians that actually care about workers and strip executives of their absurd power and wealth?
Is that too farfetched? Are Americans really too brainwashed to vote for their own interests and would literally prefer to go to fucking war?
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I work a slightly above minimum wage office job for the minimum amount of hours to be full time. I pay my rent/utilities, carpool to work for practically nothing, and budget my food carefully by taking advantage of coupons/sales.

The rest of my income is spent on stupid shit like video games, anime figures, and shrooms.

Truely, I am living the dream.
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>>384573731

My country actually taxes the rich and corporations and has capital controls so they don't send everything to the Cayman Islands to avoid taxes. You should try it sometime
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>>384573731
>government dumps 13 trillion dollars into the global monetary supply
>there is no fucking inflation
>implying that doesn't work as long as you're a banker.

Bankers can get money printed and if the economy actually notices it they'll squeeze it from you. Don't let them do that shit, they should be the ones being "squeezed" considering their version of it is having to get a slightly less nice suit this year instead of having to claw for basic needs.
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>>384573494
I met with one months ago and the gave me a low risk plan but I still haven't gone back and actually done anything with it because I don't even have the motivation to get out of my bed most of the time
I feel like a piece of shit for ghosting a fucking investment manager and letting nearly 60k just rot in the bank for months but I just can't find the energy to care about anything anymore
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>>384573597
Never talk about history again. Or economics
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>>384573770

An Australian business guy said millennials would be able to afford property if they stopped spending money on things like avocado toast.
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>>384566781
nepotism
i have a well-paying job that lets me work my own hours from home because i'm related to the right people
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>>384573775
Yes, they're coming around though. Trump was the first wave of it. People will realise what he's going to do won't really do anything, but what happens next? sanders/trump is just the beginning anon.
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>work full time
>student full time

I moved back in with my parents. That's seriously the only way I can afford any sort of luxury.
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>>384573814
I am in the same situation.

I would be ok with it for the rest of my life if I had my own flat and not a rented one.
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>>384573731
>offscreen, the respected middle class, happily paying a portion of their income into taxation because they understand that an educated and cared-for society is better than a cutthroat cronyist shithole
>also offscreen, that same middle class also enjoys the benefits of a caring society including free healthcare, education, and well-maintained infrastructure
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>>384566781
I have a part time job with autism buxs for living expenses, now I can actually invest time in higher education without digging myself a financial hole and still buy games.
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Getting a job's easy. All you have to do is pass P, FM and C while at a decent college for a math, business or economics degree, get a GPA of at least 3.60, learn VBA, get an internship under your belt and then convince the interviewer you're the least autistic person who's applied for the job who will also pass the rest of their exams while working full-time for them. Simple!

What, don't you want the best job in America?
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I actually dont

I mad myself the promise to play all the game in my Steamlist.

I hacked my 3Ds

I hacked my Wii U

I rent games from friends who own a PS4

What i do now is investing the money on videogames in nail polish my new hobby i have
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>>384573770
Stop wasting money on food.
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>mfw I just got my 2 yeas degret and I am making 60k out the door on the networking field

Since the day we can reason, the media, our parents, our schools, everything foster you to get some form of education, is your key to jump to the middle class, the system is needed since we need people to fill those low level entry jobs, but the door to go higher is there, specially if your family had low income like mine, I have zero debts right now.

Educate yourself fucktards, grab a book, college is easier than high school, so you have no excusses.
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>tfw when B34-N3r.3000 isnt going to take over my job
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>>384573839
Bad goy
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>>384573775
The rich at the top will not let go for dear life. Politicians have to play the game of politics and that involves either conforming or being killed off for threatening to change the status quo. Soon you're gonna reach the point where revolution will be the only way out, although revolution changes nothing, that's why when you've done a full one it's just 360 degrees.
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>>384573987
>VBA
No fucking thank you.
I took VB in high school. It was fucking awful.
I'm going to keep doing C++ and Java instead.
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>>384572591
>working 70-80 hours a week
>barely getting by

Yeah, fuck these spoiled assholes!
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>>384572737
>What the fuck
It's quite troubling. It has made my life rather difficult.
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>>384573928
>t an educated and cared-for society is better than a cutthroat cronyist shithole

i have zero interest in paying some shithead to get a gender studies degree. if anything, these people and their constant political agitation make my society worse, not better.
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>>384566781
>started working full time a couple months ago
>it's a set schedule of early mornings to evening
>It's a job that leaves me physically and mentally tired
>never feel like playing vidya
>not even on my only 2 days off

I'm making much more money but I barely play games anymore. Did I get monkey paw'd?
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>>384574036
Do you seriously think that nobody else in here has a college degree?
Just because you RNGed yourself into a good job straight out of school doesn't mean everyone with a good degree does.
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>>384573261
No spoiled kids who constantly raise minimum wage and work less hours. I would gladly slurp corporatist ass to get some money then get no money because you can only hire so many spoiled socialist millenials who barely work without it being cheaper to just ship your products from a swaetshop.

>b-b-but why don't they just support a bunch of spoiled millenials anyway they have lots of money!!! That's how competition eorks right?

Detroit is a shining example of socialists and unions at work. Been consistently liberal for decades.
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>>384572735
You should move to a non-meme country m8, I make 62k a year by NOT being the manager and generally just stocking shelves and ordering stuff.
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>>384574160
>how DARE people fight for a good standard of living, it serves them right that jobs have moved to a place they can pay sub 10k USD a year because they were so SELFISH wanting to live fulfilling lives.
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>>384570806
If you were allowed to hire people full time for so little money walmart would only have full time employees.
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>>384566781
>Be Israfag
>Do 3 years in IDF for about 250 shekels a month
>Rarely go out, no expenses
>Stack up money
>Finish service, get an extra 10k shekels, plus around 30k for education and other life-establishing purposes
>90 y/o grandfather has late-life crisis and starts giving his grandchildren money
>Grandfather made a savings account to take care of grandmather in case he dies before her
>She died first so he just gave the money to his two kids
>Father decides to split the money evenly between me and two siblings
>Start working for 5k-6k shekels a month for 5 months
>Have about 60k shekels in bank account
>Bank gives me gold credit card
>Parents make fun of how much money I have lying around and force me to start investing in stuff
I now have 50k shekels growing in a savings account for the next year and a half, 10k in growing bonds, and despite trying to spend some money recently, I still have about 5k lying around my bank account.

If there's one thing the IDF does right to its poorly paid soldiers is that it incentivizes young people to go work at shitty but necessary industrial jobs. You work in one for 6 months or so, and you get a large bonus.
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>>384574156
>get high-demand tech degree
>get high paying job
>get meme degree in some social science gibberish
>get starbucks job

but sure, keep whining about how unfair the world is and how the state should redistribute those dumb nerds' wealth into your pockets instead
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>>384574189

What would you consider a non-meme country?
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>>384573597

t. Senator Armstrong
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>>384574273
You understand that advocating for a raised minimum wage is just going to end with more jobs outsourced, right? There's no way to win.
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>>384574273
>PICKET PICKET RIOT RIOT GIVE ME HIGHER WAGIES
>NO YOU FUCKING SCAB DON'T TAKE MY JOB REEEEEEEEEE
>oh man my factory got moved to china boo hoo time to make even less money as a cashier or burger flipper never could've seen this coming.
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>>384574152
No, if the job is really good paying (and tiring) just power trough it for few years, save up money and make it work for itself, buy a property or two and rent it.
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>still live at home but want to move out, have done for years, no money and dont want to move out and get into more money problems before I have a stable job
>care for dad who is getting on in years
>he has told me I am getting all his pensions, including his army and securicor pensions
>all for taking care of him when my other siblings refused to
>I never actually intended to take care of him I just couldnt move out
>he thanks me for taking care of him all the time
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>>384573830
>us doesn't tax the rich
I love this meme
Average state taxes included
>United States has the highest corporate tax at ~41%
>United States is #22 between Norway and Iceland at ~46.3%
The only tax the US scores low in is sales tax which hits the poor the hardest.
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>>384570661
to be fair the meaning has changed. I distinctly remember millennial meaning someone who was coming of age at the turn of the millennium. that is, someone born around the early 80s. now it includes like a whole other generation.
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>>384568824
>consolefags are the ones running out of games to play
remind me who buys early access titles again?
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>>384574036
I can't into math which means 99% of all educations are locked for me.

I could go to collage and get some bullshit degree like linguistics but all that would change is now I have to pay of a dept for like 30 years while I continue to waste away in my parents basement.
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>>384574392
Yes there is, Capital controls, restricting finance, multi-national agreements to aggressively collect taxes, etc.

>>384574403
Literally not what happened. There was a labour-capital standoff for decades and profitability was general stable, investment was high. Liberalised finance comes along and all of a sudden people can move their money to any country they want and oh look, labour loses it's bargaining power so they slow down, but it's still cheaper to pay someone china wages than US wages so they move anyway. This was systemically designed to happen to boost profitability and reduce the need for investment.
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>>384574445
That's a great dad you have there, anon.
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>>384574146
Yeah and I don't like that some of this country's taxes go towards benefit cheats who game the system, but that's a small price to pay for knowing that people around here don't have to work 80 hours a week over two jobs just to survive.
It's nice knowing that I can go to a doctor over any little worry and it won't cost me shit, it's nice knowing that students from poorer backgrounds will get grants to cover the cost of living away from home.

I would much, much rather live in my system than yours.

>>384574353
I have a first class Master's in Computer Engineering and I've been looking for work for months now, take your asinine assumptions somewhere else.
Location has a lot to do with it I'll admit, but it's not like the few tech companies around here are lining up with offers for me either.
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>>384574462

How many dollars in taxes do those megachurches and millionaire telivangelists have to pay?
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autismbux and piracy
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>>384574160
You can't really complain about unions when you right now live in a country where people don't get vacation days, get a limited amount of "sick days" (who the fuck knows how many days I'll be sick?), people work fulltime at a job yet still can't afford the rent for their apartment, that can be fired based on absolutely nothing etc.
The rest of the west laughs at america and their pathetic minimum wage, you've effectively created a class of people who are slave labour.
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You have to understand that Millenials spend their money every few month to buy the new Hip Phone that everyone is using
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>>384570661
The thing is, I have no idea why its called Millennial either when its refering to far before the fucking millennium, I understand why people thinks it refers to people born after and around the millennium, its pretty dumb to be honest.
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>>384574462
The real taxation terms are far lower than this. Please stop buying into this meme.

Capital gains tax is, in real terms after you account for the fiddling. 7.5% that means most rich people pay that, not 30-40% that income tax charges, then there's the multitudes of ways to lower or get around corporation tax entirely.

Only 2% of taxation comes from corporation tax these days.
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>>384571447
>$100 a month savings
it would take nearly 2 years to have 1 month's earnings in savings
>car payment $150
>car insurance $100
what fucking planet do these people live on
why even rent a house if you have to work 2 full-time jobs
here let me simplify the budget
>rent: 0, you live in your car now
>heating: 0, you live in your car now
>electric: 0, you live in your car now
with all that saved money, you can afford to buy things not budgeted here, like gas, or soap!
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>>384574535
>multi-national agreements
Dropped. They always have some bullshit clause in them that normal people don't want but corps love. See TPP. Also
>trusting legislators whose campaigners are all bankrolled by corporations
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>>384574392
>outsourcing mcdonalds jobs
Thanks for your order, it'll just take 2-5 days before your meal arrives. Please wait in the appropriate parking space.
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Easy.
Get a job.
I have about 100k or so to spare just from working.
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>>384574445
its the end result that matters not the intention anon

If a company donates to charity, they do it as a PR stunt, they don't give a shit about charity. But at the end of the day they did donate to charity.
And here the fact is that you did take care of your father

I am in similar situation actually (although my parents were REALLY young when they had me) I just live with them because I am used to it and its pretty comfy and they are really happy that I "chose' to stay with them because my brother left to a different country and we moved to the netherlands ourselves so if I wasn't here they'd have no family at all.

Also your dad sounds like an ok dude, spend some time with him while you can anon
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>>384574647
I just said several ways of doing it, it's not impossible by any means.

>>384574675
They automated some, because turns out that it FINALLY becomes cheaper to buy a touchscreen when you pay 15 dollars an hour.

Let that sink in, a person working full time is cheaper than a fucking TOUCH SCREEN.
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>>384574273
honestly, if your goal is achieving higher wages for jobs in a certain field, the only feasible way to accomplish it is reducing competition for those jobs.
>restrict foreign imports, protect domestic industry
>enact measures to prevent local businesses outsourcing to foreign countries
>enact anti immigration policies to strengthen domestic workers' position

in the end, the price of labor is a matter of supply and demand. you want to increase the price of labor, you gotta cut down on the labor supply. that means protectionism and closed borders.
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>>384573597
When a World War holds the prospect of exterminating the entire human race it becomes a whole lot less enticing
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>>384574675
Automation in McDonalds' case. Already happening over here in the UK -- pretty much every branch has computerised ordering now. Why? Because it was cheaper to do because people wanted higher minimum wages.
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>/pol/ told me trump would stop the outsourcing of jobs
>my company is cutting the IT division in half because they're outsourcing to India

WHAT THE FUCK?
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>>384574768
You can do it in 2 ways, one is indefensible bullshit the other is fine.

You can have one of these things, free movement of people, of free movement of capital.

If you have both shit falls apart. I know I personally would much rather live in a world where bankers can't throw money around than one where people couldn't move easily.
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>>384573362
The fuck ? I pay 5 euros for 2 hours of communication and unlimited text messages. You are getting robbed here.
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>be me, yesterday
>going to local DMV to take drivers yest(written) to extend job search area
>stop by mcdicks for breakfast
>first thing I noticed is that there is no longer cashiers, only computers.
>only worker working the front of the store are two helpers for people who can't onto technology
>any other worker is a cook or cleaner
>order food and sit down, realizing that the A.I meme is real
>finish meal and head off

Jesus fuck guys, how long do we humans have left on this earth
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>>384574547
>praised socialism
>loves state control
>supports high taxation
>then goes on to complain about not finding a job in the same fucking post

incredible
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>>384574838
You got memed on, Trump is going to do a couple small things but they won't matter. There's going to be a bit of inflation to help drive down debt and that's about it.

If you want to see some real change you're going to have to go with whoever comes after Sanders honestly. Any republican is going to be status-quo supporting.
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Corporations need people to be wealthy enough to buy the stupid shit they make, so I'm sure they'll work out some way to get money into the hands of people.
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>>384574761
>several ways of doing it
That all rely on pols sticking it to corporations. Then their opponent gets all the funding next election cycle and the law gets changed back/enforced more favourably to big business. You cannot win.
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>>384571253
there is literally no reason to work a job you don't like.
the only reason people do is because they're afraid of either not being good enough or being judged for their dream job.
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>>384566781
>buy
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How do you get one of those cushy "guy who sits around looking at security cameras all day" jobs?

Like the only jobs in the security field being advertised is fucking traffic wardens. Damn.
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>>384574838
>6 months in
>wtf why hasn't Trump turned all my water into wine yet
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>>384574557
None but I'd like to see you name a country that does.
Also putting aside how the church is one of the largest contributors to charity but who cares about the poor right?
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>>384574517
I literally only took 2 math classes before graduating, one being algebra 2 high school level, the other one trigometry, stop with the bullshit, get your education.
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>>384566781
>How the fuck do you people get enough money to buy vidya?

I buy used, and usually a generation or so behind modern hardware. I don't need to own the newest, shiniest toys. They'll come down in price eventually anyway.

The most I think I've ever paid for a console was USD $30. PS1s and PS2s are pretty cheap, and they have a good selection of games. Also, I have a Pi box for emulating earlier generations.
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>>384568519
>Its literally impossible to not get hired flipping burgers somewhere
In aus here, when you're over a certain age, they have to pay you minimum wage. Next
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>>384574882
I pay 50 bucks for unlimited text and phone, and 6GB of phone data. cba to change it, I almost never go over 2gb. data is what costs here, I could get a meme phone plan with free phone+texts for 10€ but the data is expensive
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>>384574963
You can only do so much. We're heading for a situation where the people in America will be debtors and finally hit the point of "can't pay, won't pay, will vote"

The Republicans might end up just supporting a helicopter drop of cash to try and stave off popular demand for radical reformation. But I think it's only a matter of time.
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>>384574794
>less enticing
Maybe to you, I can't wait for the extinction of mankind.
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>>384575008
how is that possible, around here there are like 6 security companies always looking for people to stand around construction sites and closed malls for 12 hours a day, 4-5 days a week, and i live in a relatively small city of about 300,000 people.
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>>384566781
>buying games
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>>384570696
Shit didn't just magically go wrong, the bookers fucked themselves and now they are fucking us over to bail themselves out.
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>>384574876

This.

Banker in Miami here working in real estate. All across South Florida foreigners are buying up properties, jacking up the rent, and driving up home costs. We have people from Canada, China, and all over Latin America setting up funds and corporations to buy literally hundreds even thousands of homes. They get a good return on investment but at the price of screwing over hardworking citizens.
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>>384567314
>>we need to immigrants to pay our taxes
>>immigrants don't pay taxes

Why are Europoors so gullible?
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>>384574445
I wish my dad was that easy. Mine is an autist (runs in the family) with a ton of money. I probably would have an easier time getting it from him if I had a gf that could court his favor.
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>>384574539
I can feel an absolute shitstorm amongst my family over the money saying who actually deserves it, my mother who my dad hated is 100% going to contest the claim and tell me to split it or give it to her to split, and my siblings are going to hate me for inheriting all of it.
>she can contest it, but if you give any of that to your mother I will haunt you

>>384574748
Its more that it doesnt feel deserved, Im a complete waste, I have no job and I see all my friends have moved on and got nice careers and even married and Im still at home. I really dont like the idea of just getting money, Id prefered to have earned it.
We play Warframe together on PS4, we also played EDF 4.1 together and are waiting for EDF5.
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Anyone else live with their parents while maintaining a good relationship with them here?

They appreciate that I contribute to the bills and the mortgage and I help keep the house clean and they genuinely enjoy my company.

Even so I still can't shake guilty feelings that I should be moving out
(I don't even particularly want to live alone either).
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>>384574627
>Capital gains tax is, in real terms after you account for the fiddling. 7.5% that means most rich people pay that, not 30-40% that income tax charges
[citation needed]
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>>384575110
Boomers are the only generation in history to continually grow their consumption over their life. It's insane. It's literally the old eating the young's lunch.
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>>384575020

>"we'll repeal and replace obamacare on DAY ONE"
>spends his time on vacation and tweeting

Really makes you think
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>>384566781
i don't
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>neet for 4 years after HS
>feel like getting a part time job to save up money to get a good PC
>sort of want to go back to school and learn to do something but I am terrified of having any sort of debt or getting a loan
>classes are also expensive, and I don't know which ones and how many I'd have to take and pay for

I guess my only real option is to work someplace and save up for school, but I never got the college/university system. I don't know what sort of things I'd have to take to be able to be qualified for the job I want. It all seems very vague and specialized for what I want to do, I don't want to pay money and time for classes that aren't going to further me to my goal (sound design)
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>>384575132
Maybe you can get it from your dad in writing (overseen by a lawyer) that all that pension money goes to you and no one else.
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>>384574931
Many of the people ITT live in the USA and are also complaining about how hard it is to find work, the downside is they have no other ways out if they find themselves unemployed for an extended amount of time.

I would still rather be unemployed in my system than yours, if worst comes to worst I can go on the neetbux, save up a bit while living with my parents, then move to a city with far better prospects for my given field.
When I mentioned my location I meant it in the way that my area has maybe 60-70 job postings in my field at any one time (most of them way beyond my paygrade), if I moved maybe 60 miles away that number would jump up to well over a thousand.

Even with all that bullshit I have a promising interview coming up next week.
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>>384573928
>offscreen, the respected middle class, happily paying a portion of their income into taxation because they understand that an educated and cared-for society is better than a cutthroat cronyist shithole
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>>384575147
My mom doesn't want me to move out because I'm the only one in the house who helps her with the cleaning or cooks for her so she'll be stuck caring for my manchild dad by herself if I leave.
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>>384575147
>Even so I still can't shake guilty feelings that I should be moving out
If you can't afford to move out then you should not. There's this growing trend of encouraging young people to move out the moment they can regardless of whether it's beneficial to them or not.
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>>384570416
Why wouldn't you stand in line even when you're alone? Fucking foreigners with no discipline
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>>384574580
The millenium was when the bulk of them came of age, and y2k was the first major event for the whole generation, followed shortly by 9/11.
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>>384575068
>The Republicans
>implying they can get anything done
In my mind that best approach is carrot-and-stick. You make it cheaper to do business in this country and more expensive to go elsewhere. How? Leave min wage and workers' rights where they are but cut corp tax and regulations, then enforce tariffs on companies that outsource and import goods available domestically.

Allows flexibility with wages without the immediate threat of companies leaving. Seems the best middle ground imo.
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>>384569830
>a negative income tax
that and UBI will never happen.
The govenments of the world only care about what makes them tax dollars, and who they need to send that money toward in order to stay in power. If it turns out its just a small number of bot owners they need to keep happy, the average citizen become dead weight overnight. There is no point in giving them anything, as they're no longer worth it.
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>>384575317
Similar situation, but add my manchild brother who somehow can't figure out how to use scissors to open a resealable bag and instead just rips it open.

>go into his room
>it's a fucking pigstye with pepsi cans everywhere and cigarette butts all over the place
>throw a bag at him and tell him to move the cans
>OMG SUCH A GRASS (snitch for those that don't know)
>he's fucking 22
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>>384575270
>denying that a system might work for you out of hand without even attempting it
Also could you explain this argument to me? I don't really get why the size or population of a country has anything to do with how successful or unsuccessful an economic system might be.
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>>384575132
>Its more that it doesnt feel deserved
But it is anon
Even if you absolutely hate your job and never intend to do it, you've still done it. If your father thinks you deserve it then you do.
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>>384575195
>Trump is congress
>tweeting stops you from running the country
>negotiating deals with foreign leaders is vacation
You could pitch in the majors with spin like that.
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>>384574957
Yes, they're called credit cards.
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>>384574876
honestly, neither of those are very desirable.
>free movement of capital
results in a fuckton of tax avoidance and businesses moving jobs to foreign countries
>free movement of people
results in mass influx of human garbage ruining shit, and spells doom for any kind of welfare state
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>>384575270
so...diversity was a mistake?
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>>384575356
Good luck with that, most of the companies you'll be putting tariffs on are US companies. You think you'll be getting away with putting tariffs on apple? good fucking luck. Everything else is basically what we've been doing.

There is a simple way you can keep a capitalist economy going. Make the people who get things like asset protection pay for it. The people who get the most out of society pay the least. It's insanity.
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>>384573896
>Trump was the first wave of it.
So the first wave of voting the wealthy out of power was to vote a man born into every luxury in life into the highest power? Cool beans.
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>>384570817
sounds like you're a shitty person then
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>not slowly building your credit score over time during college by getting a credit card and only charging what you can afford so that you can take out a mortgage and have your own house by 25
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>>384575484
It was always a mistake
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>>384575008
I world as one and am at work right now! AlliedUniversal is the company I work for, try checking out their site. The problem is that the first shift jobs are in very high demand, but you shouldn't have much trouble if you're okay working, like, 3 pm - 11pm or the overnight shifts.

Look for offers for office parks or corporate sites. I'm literally the only guard here from 7 am - 3 pm so I can pretty much do whatever the fuck I want all day. I'm learning moon, trying to learn how to draw, and then just reading and playing games on my phone the rest of the day.
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>>384572145
So it's everyone else's fault you were a stupid fuck instead of going to trade school? I love stories like yours, snot nosed faggot goes to college looking down on tech schools as being for low class and white trash. Meanwhile you rack up 100K+ debts for a useless degrees while those "rednecks" pick up trades with zero debt that provide $40k+ a year with not only the potential to for pay increases every year but the opportunity to start your own electrician, plumbing, masonry, auto repair, welding, etc. business. This isn't even getting into fields like Registered Nursing where the potential is there for 6 digit incomes over time. But hey that smug libshit college attitude was worth the debt compared to going to school for a useless trade right?
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>>384575051
I took the required one in HS, would have failed it but my teacher was nice enough to pass me anyways(probably because the school was closing and he couldn't give a fuck), tried two times to take a higher math level after high school but failed spectacularly. And I mean it's not like I can apply to the program anyways even though my math is shit, I need to have read a certain level of math in high school to be able too apply to specific educations, and pretty much all of them require "Math B" or higher, the ones that don't are the meme liberal arts shit like history or philosophy.

Even a lot of fucking trade schools are locked out for me.
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>>384575547
He tapped into this source of anger in a way no one else even noticed was happening. That's why it didn't matter what he did it bounced off. He had this strong core of "you're all being screwed" and he's right. But he won't fix it, he won't do anything of the sort. But when nothing happens for these people they will still be angry, it won't vanish, and after these promises have fallen, where will they look next?
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>>384575231
I have it on paper already actually, the problem is that I dont know what my mother has actually done about it legally, since she was the original inheritor of it and a lawyer wouldve had to have informed her it was no longer going to her. I spoke to her about it and she said she was contacted about it by his lawyer, but she didnt want to pay a lawyer to contest it so didnt do anything about it. I dont know if thats where the line is drawn and its simply over though, I honestly dont know much about how this stuff actually works, she is legally obliged to a percentage of the money I think.
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The clear solution is to have socialism that also goes against the wishes of the global banking cartel and maintains strong borders to stop oversaturation of the work force and eliminate welfare leeches.

Some sort of... Socialist Nationalism. It'll never catch on though.
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>>384567969
>On abortion: ---
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>>384575587
Yep this is why we need to genocide the whites.
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>>384575586
>not just living in a country where you don't have to put yourself into debt from 18 years of age just to buy a house 20 years later
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>>384575407
>I don't really get why the size or population of a country has anything to do with how successful or unsuccessful an economic system might be.
Try managing 2 other people. Evaluating their work, advising them of their budget, whatever.
Now try managing 40 people, and also of these 40, 3 want you dead, 10 think you're racist against them, and 20 of the others have accused you of sexism

Diversity was literally a mistake
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>>384575531
>You think you'll be getting away with putting tariffs on apple?
If it can be justified as retribution for putting people out of work? Absolutely. It's about time protectionism came back. Being bent over a barrel only ends one way -- with a dick up your ass.
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I got a job a month after graduation that pays $16/hr and I worked 2 jobs during previous summers while I was living rent free with my parents to build a safety net of emergency money

I can afford to buy a new video game everyday by lunchtime
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>>384575147
Yup. My dad's indifferent at worst, but my mom would prefer I stay and my aunt gets very upset at the idea of me moving. I could technically scrape by with a roommate, but my family enables me too much.
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>>384575656
Another politician with honeyed words looking to make more money for himself. This isn't a revolution friend, it's more of the same shit with social media packaging.
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>>384575696
Welfare "leechers" have never mattered, they make up such a tiny percentage of the actual spendature that it could be erased by margins of error. And they're still economically active so all the money you give them comes back anyway, it sums to 0 quite nicely.
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>>384566781

I am gainfully employed

Unfortunately when you are employed, own a house and have kids, you finally have the resources for infinite vidya, but not much time to enjoy them. The grass is always greener
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>Have money
>Don't buy anything because scared that some sudden disaster/law I never knew about fucks me over and I get thrown into the street
>money keeps piling on my bank account unusued and I only dream about $40 video games

Just fucking end me
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>>384569814
>image
Its almost as if there are these miraculous devices bought and maintained by the company that allows for much higher production with minimal extra effort from workers.
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>>384575102
Not sure. There are a few of those jobs as well, but none of the chill security camera jobs.

>>384575619
Doubt AlliedUniversal have a presence in my country. I wouldn't mind working night though.

Did you need an education? Thinking of maybe applying for one since well, most jobs in the field requires one and it only takes like two weeks.
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>>384575804
Welfare leechers absolutely do matter in any country with immigration

t. anon living in a country who's healthcare his about to collapse due to immigrants leeching
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>>384575398
>bots take over menial jobs (which make up ~40% of the workforce)
>companies experience several fantastic quarters in a row without the burden of workforce costs, tax income skyrockets (this is unlikely in the first place given how much companies like to dodge corporate taxes)
>government stops giving anything to the general population
>general population can no longer buy anything from the bot-owning capitalist overlords
>capitalist overlords now make no income and are incapable of giving tax dollars back to the government
>society crumbles in revolt and war as nobody can afford basic necessities

Wow what a great outcome. If governments don't provide social safety nets at least or UBI at most, they will be the first against the wall when the vast numbers of the hungry uneducated lash out.
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>>384575781
>Trump
>honeyed words
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>>384567987
16 + 9 is 24 tho. I feel real rumpled when someone who can't do basic math makes this much.
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>>384575816
>putting savings in a bank
Anon stop. Learn to invest your shit. Bank savings accounts are a massive loss.
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>>384572273
Why would you ever bother talk about your income before taxes? I don't understand why people do this, just to show off? The very fact you had to later go back and correct yourself to say you have 75k after taxes proves that it's impractical.
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>>384566781
By buying shit when it is on sale and not preorder every little fucking thing. If I preorder then by the time I have enough free time and willpower to actually play it for the entire day it has already been on sale, it is a waste of cash unless I actually feel it is worth it to make time, but the last years nothing is really worth spending a full price on.
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>>384575747
It won't work that way. All you risk doing is starting a trade war which would be disastrous and then having people throw all their campaign money at someone else and because it's been shit no one rails against them.

This shit isn't coming back, we need to rethink the entire thing.
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>>384575715
I think it would be less work to genocide the non whites. Asians can stay. Browns gotta go.
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>>384575407
The same reason why Switzerland has in place proper working direct democracy (ie. everything is a referendum voted on by the entire population), because they have a population of less than 1 million. It's simply far easier to manage.
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>almost never buy video games
>pretty much never in my life, if I can't pirate it I don't play it
>buy video game for the first time in like 5 years a couple months ago
>never finish it
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>>384575857
If you're living in the Uk fuck right off, there is no data to support this bullshit. It's suffering because it's being systemically underfunded by the tories because they want to sell it off.
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>>384575930
How so?
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>>384575930

Investing before securing a home is incredibly stupid, risky, and shortsighted

In that vein, unless anon has saved at least 100k, he's better off just saving it, or if absolutely necessary investing a modest amount of his paycheck every month in something hands off like an index fund
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>>384568227
Somewhere near where you live, ideally. If not time to relocate.
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>>384568137
>Health care if free but you'll have to stand in line with other humans who need it

Okay.
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>>384575853
>Did you need an education?
High school. College if you want to get promotion, but you just need high school/GED for a regular guard position. Clean background check and clean drug test along with the general feeling that security isn't a "real" job is what keeps the recruiting pool low.

I started just weekends while I was looking for work, went full time when I couldn't find anything, and now I'm a supervisor at 16.50 an hour. Honestly, another promotion or two and I might just stay here. It's a pretty cushy gig.

Look for companies to apply directly on the site, not just through job sites. I know my boss only offers openings through the AU site, not indeed or monster or whatever.
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>>384575804
>Welfare "leechers" have never mattered, they make up such a tiny percentage of the actual spendature that it could be erased by margins of error.

what the fuck are you smoking?
the welfare state amounts for the vast majority of public spending.
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>dad is still working blue collar with no retirement fund into his 60s
>me living at home with no job experience whatsoever and not going to college
is there an outcome to this that doesn't involve suicide
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>>384569808
> first world country
> student loan
pick one
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>>384575935

As long as everyone is reporting their income the same way, what's the difference? Unless you are some kind of big time drug dealer (e.g. no one on /v/) people who get paid under the table are jokes or in high school. Also tax rates differ based on personal circumstance/bracket/etc.
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>>384575878
Read the book Player Piano, it could work, it would just be really shitty except for everyone at the top, a common system in the world today
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>>384572406
>>die
>he doesn't know that the grand stonking majority of the military is support roles
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>>384575742
Hm I can see your point on pure logistics, but the other things you listed are the fault of awful education and race relations.
Both of which, ironically, are problems that would be far smaller in a nation which even pretended to care about its least fortunate citizens and provided public services that were fit for purpose.

Not saying it's a perfect solution, but if blacks had hope that they could climb out of the ghetto, if police over there could be trusted, if schools weren't hilariously underfunded, maybe your country would start being a better place.
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>work full time minimum wage retail shitjob
>pay rent, food, phone, internet, etc and still save money every month

>brother makes twice as much as me, pays nearly the same in bills but also owns a car
>still needs to borrow money from me every other month

how do people fuck it up
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>>384571193
I can relate to this
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>>384566781
Student allowence
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>>384576012
>billions of pounds in debt
>dude the problem is a lack of public spending lmao
Only one way to get less debt and more funding for social services simultaneously. I hope you're the first one to volunteer for a tax hike, comrade.
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>>384576094
And the majority of it is perfectly legitimate. and most of it is PENSIONS.

The amount of "leeches" is tiny.
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>>384576097
No
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I just want to enjoy my hat simulator and not have to worry about financial stability, is that to much to ask
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>>384575705
what did Jesus say about abortion
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>>384566781
By not being a fucking idiot with my money and always thinking before opening my wallet
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>>384576112
The existence of student loans does not define whether a country is first world or not frogposter.
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How it should work:
>The harder you work the more monies you get

How it actually works:
>The more rich social contacts you have, the more money you make
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As of this moment every PS2, Xbox, WII, Dreamcast, etc. game is easily found for me.

You've got Xbox Live shitting games at me every month.

I live down the street from the rental store.

I make below the poverty line but I make do.
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>>384576094
He means the people who are gaming the system into giving them benefits they don't deserve (e.g lying about being disabled to get disability benefits), not people who genuinely need them to survive.

The amount of money wasted on leechers in the system is actually less than it would cost to go after them all, they're an unavoidable evil unless you have money coming out of your arse to throw at the problem.
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>>384576094

the welfare state != "leechers"

90+% of households that receive entitlements are either elderly, disabled, or already working. making public policy based on a few exceptions would be absurd. but then again you can't expect some underage trumpcbro to put these kinds of things together since you are mostly concerned with fitting in on /pol/ rather than seeking gainful employment so as not to be a worthless parasite yourself. how's mommy's house working out for you?
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>>384576269
that's zen dude post it on facebook
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>>384575930

Yeah, that's such a great idea. So that after I've invested most of my coin, the disaster hits and I need cash, quick, and big-nosed Mr Goldstein from the bank tells me "NO YOU MUST INVEST MORE MY GOY!" and gives me a ten-hour lecture that will make me believe in the horsemen of the Apolcaypse and flat earth by the end of it. I actually had a conversation like that once, but luckily regained my senses and managed to call the investment off before they got my signature. I don't need MILLIONS 60 years from now, I only want what is mine, now.
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>>384576094
Good thing they lump everything together under "Social security, unemployment and labor" eh?
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>>384576078
By education I meant Security Guard training. Sorry.

Mind you I'm not really looking for a career or family. I just want a "NEET" job. I'll check out the big security firms of my country though. Thanks. I've mostly just checked the bigger job sites.
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>>384576012
>N-no! Don't try to spend less and reward the people who pay into the system!
>Even Nigereans deserve our NHS!

desu if you don't or have never paid taxes or you're a fatty/smoker you shouldn't be treated
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>>384576307
Not going after the people who are leeches will set a bad precedent though.
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>>384575407
>I don't really get why the size or population of a country has anything to do with how successful or unsuccessful an economic system might be.
Because a system where everyone looks out for each other only works when everyone is responsible and hard working. When 40% of your population consists of blacks and latinos who cause the overwhelming majority of crime, have the poorest health, and are the highest welfare recipients it just puts a massive burden on the rest of the population. Not to mention illegal immigrants who make up 10% of the population for the most part pay no taxes at all and those that do usually do so to receive other benefits.
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>>384575816
I sort of know this feel. I keep saving 50-60% of my pay every month towards a house, but even then I might be forced to move back with my parents for a year or so. Simply because of how long it takes to get enough money, the fact that I can't keep my student apartment forever and everything that can be rented is given out to rapefugees paid for by the state which already takes half my income in taxes.
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>>384575819

>company still has workers
>productivity increases
>it ain't me starts playing
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>>384576524
The most amount of welfare recipients are whites
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>>384576203
Debt is literally not a problem, stop this meme, even if it hits an insane point like 140% of GDP you can issue, 100 year or perpetual bonds and inflate your currency.

You GROW out of debt, not squeeze, all you do when you squeeze is reduce the real economy, increase the deficit now to reduce it long term with increased growth. Governments have VERY cheap interest rates and can manipulate the fuck out of them. It's trivial to grow faster than them if you try.
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>>384576456

It's been tried numerous times. Drug tests for welfare recipients being the most obvious. It inevitably becomes a massive waste of taxpayer money because the cost of tracking down the leechers far outweighs the number of "leechers" to begin with. Conservashits who complain about "welfare queens" quite literally can't argue past "muh feelings". It's a numbers game, unless you just want to argue that entitlements shouldn't exist at all, regardless of unfortunate circumstances
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>>384576203
Tax cuts and austerity are a fucking meme perpetuated by politicians and execs looking out for themselves. Government spending is not like household spending, you have to spend money at some point if you ever want to make money in the future.
Not funding infrastructure and social services is an easy way to start spiralling downwards as a nation.

>>384576456
It's a self-balancing issue. If too many people start leeching then it will be economically feasible to crack down on the problem as you will save money overall.
For the moment it just isn't worth it, that's why we still have the rhetoric of "benefit fraud IS FRAUD" but very little action because talk is cheap.
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>>384576608
Because most people are whites
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>>384576051
>investing before becoming a homeowner is stupid and shortsighted
Shortsighted and stupid is putting all your disposable income and savings into make believe cryptocurrency. There is nothing risky about placing a portion of your starting income into 5-year gubment bonds. Hell I would establish my IRA account before even looking into homeownership. Besides cryptocurrency the only risky stupid shit I would avoid is buying/selling junk bonds and stock which is what cryptoshit essentially is in history and practice.

>>384575930
Look into government bonds and work on establishing your retirement account through IRAs/RothIRAs to begin with. Drop the mainstream banks and look into moving your finances into a credit union. Once you've done all that and are comfortable then you can look into other investments and even stocks if that is your thing. Also financial advisors are a jew scam from hell. Learn to use the internet for that. If possible have rent/mortgage cost only equal 1/4 your gross monthly income, no higher than 1/3. This isn't meant to make you rich quick it's meant to provide you with a STABLE starting point.
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>>384568286
The truly rich don't really work at all, they just collect through ownership.
>>384568519
This is untrue, burger flipper jobs tend to have applications that far outnumber the oppertunities.
>>384566781
I work I guess? And I don't buy that much videogames, heck if push came to shove I could always pirate.
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>>384568448
There's always a need for some fool that can handle a hoe and a shovel, or that can pick and wash fruit
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>>384576407
For unarmed, no it's all on the job. If you wanted an armed position, you'd need whatever license you need to carry a gun in your country, and the rest would depend on where you are.
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>>384575804
In Sweden 41% of the tax money goes to social welfare, and pretty much every other sector is in crisis, healthcare is fucked, police is fucked, hosing market is fucked, education is fucked, long term unemployed is record high(and the majority of them are immigrants).
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>>384576617
>Debt is literally not a problem, stop this meme, even if it hits an insane point like 140% of GDP you can issue, 100 year or perpetual bonds and inflate your currency.
>debt isn't a problem, you can just borrow more and ask the central bank to print you more money!
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>>384576784
Sweden also started a squeezing programme, funny how that works isn't it?
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>>384576753
Don't think any security guards are allowed to carry guns in my country. Most "stand around guarding a door" jobs require training here though. But I'm not sure about the security camera watching type jobs. Since to my knowledge you don't interact all too much with people.
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>>384576707

Why are you talking about cryptocurrency? No one has brought up bitcoin and in either case I agree with you that you may as well be throwing your money away.

Investing in govt bonds is fine but currently a total waste. Index fund or retirement account are the only realistic investment options unless you have a lot of money. Like I said though, securing a home is always more important than investment (and is an investment in and of itself). Keeping $$ in savings until you can secure a home is a perfectly logical option. You sound like someone who spends time on /biz/ without ever really having had money or invested themselves (PROTIP: daddy's money doesn't count).
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>>384576823
>debt isn't a problem, you can just borrow more and ask the central bank to print you more money!

Yes, you're a government that's what you do. That's how the British Empire paid it's way through the Napoleonic wars and reached it's greatest heights.

Your household is not a government, the second you're allowed to just print your own money is the second you can start comparing yourself to one.
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>>384576524

>cali is 38% white
>5th largest economy in the union
>pays more taxes to the feds than money it receives from the feds
>working on single payer state healthcare
>West Virginia
>94% white
>poorest state in the union
>relies on federal money from other states

Really makes you think
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>>384576823

That's not at all what he's saying. Go read the difference between personal debt vs govt debt, debt vs deficit, etc.
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>>384576308
your points ("people genuinely need all this welfare!") arent consistent with how much the overall welfare spending has been (and still keeps) growing year after year for decades now, and with no end in sight
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>>384576617
and what happens when you don't grow? bad ending in recettear?
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/v/ - Economy

>>>/pol/
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>>384566781
You guys ever consider working out of country ?
I'm working on improving my chinese, japanese and korean since the asian market is going to boom in the next few years.

I get there are memes you guys take fact but china is a really great place to work for a lot of people to build a resume. They have jobs they hire you for just because you are american. i'm going for marketing with a big company I know will hire me then using my connections to move up to korea or japan depending on on my level of fluency.

I know I will have
>1 Good resume whenever I want to go home
>2 A higher pay than all my co workers because I'm american
>3 fiscal freedom with possibility of paid housing
>4 A nice selection of women from all over the world who come to asia for the same reasons of me
>5 I'll be in high demand since most americans are unwilling to put in the effort.

What do you guys think? I've done it for about 2 years already just came back to finish up my degree it's really fun and much easier to save money over there.
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>>384576882
Hard to spend money when nobody has a decent job.
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>>384576882

>cold war ends
>no need to spend heavily on the military since the Soviet threat is gone

You don't say
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>>384576823
>he didn't even read the rest of the post
You borrow money in order to invest in the economy and society, and then you use the tax income generated from your newly invigorated economy to pay back the banks.
The problem comes when the government forgets to do the second part and just keeps on cutting and cutting until you have both a gigantic debt and a shitty economy that can't make any money.

Taxes are a necessary part of a functioning nation, American politicians say that it isn't because cutting taxes is an easy shortsighted way to get idiots to vote for you, and raising taxes on people is the easiest way to get your ass sacked out of politics forever.
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>>384577028
It's nearly impossible to not grow if you spend as a government. You have to try REALLY hard to find something that just burns away money without increasing consumption as a lot of government spending equates to a cash injection into the private sector.
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>>384576995
You think it's beaners and blacks running all those Silicon Valley companies? And Hollywood? Top kek.
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>>384576625
>>384576639
>if i define all welfare to be just and adequate then there are by definition no leeches :^)

absolutely savage
conservashits btfo
how will drumpf ever recover
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>>384575915
>16 + 9 is 24 tho.
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>>384577037
No amount of money is worth having to work in China.
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>>384570274
Here's the thing that most people aren't intelligent enough to understand about career advice: If you're hearing about it, it's already too late.

It's fucking gold rush mentality. Someone finds gold, strikes it good. They mine all the shit worthwhile and establish rights to it. AFTER, everyone else hears about it and rushes down there like lemmings, but it's already too late.

If you're hearing that STEM is the way to go, it means that it's the way to go if you already have the degree. In the 4+ years it will take you to get into it, all the gold will already be snapped up and you'll have to compete with all the other retards that showed up late to the party.

Basically, if you're going to pick a career, you have to pick it based on what WILL be valuable, not what IS valuable. Because by the time you're in a position to reap the rewards the gravy train will be long gone.
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>>384577173

>blacks and Hispanics do all the menial work freeing up whites to do the high paying jobs

Not seeing the problem
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>>384577027
>cost of living has been rising consistently since the 80s
>man why the fuck is social spending per person also rising across the same period

Yeah it's so weird that people need more money to maintain the same lifestyle of being able to afford food and shelter.
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>>384577162
There's an enitre dimension I've not brough up because it's where the system starts to get a bit more complex. Personal debt.

Look at the amount of private debt in most developed countries. Private debt is taking the role of wage growth and it's going to explode again.
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>>384577037
I'd love to but I doubt they want a random failure with no education or experience.

Well maybe I can go work in like a Norwegian coal mine or something if I'm lucky.
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>>384577173
Wait, so you're saying jews ARE white? Good to know.
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>>384574562
You don't even necessarily get sick days. I work seasonal which requires you to work 90 days before you're entitled to 24 hours of sick leave. It also happens that 90 days is about the amount of time the season lasts so I get basically no time off.
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>>384575915
>16 + 9 is 24 tho. I feel real rumpled when someone who can't do basic math makes this much.
>16 + 9 is 24

you must feel rumpled all the time
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>>384577267
Is it too late for STEM?
I graduate next year. Will I be jobless?
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>>384575915
>I feel real rumpled when someone who can't do basic math makes this much.
hahahaha
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>>384572186
>75K a year celery
That's some expensive produce
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>>384577257
You seriously don't know what china is like aside from 3 party sources though. Be honest do you really know much aside what was posted on 4chan?
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>>384577173
Well they certainly aren't white seeing as all of them are more or less Pooinloos.
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>>384577267
That advice would have been great 10 years ago!
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>>384577316
White enough to fool the goyim
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>>384577418
No one knows what China's banking system looks like. investing or moving to live in china is basically operating on pure faith.
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>>384577315
Go to community college and get your bachelors that's literally it. I used to be like that but picked my self up and did well during interviews and they took me.
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>>384577418
I'm sure that your third party 4chan postings will be able to convince me otherwise from their third party 4chan postings. East Asia isn't worth it.
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>>384572819
Yes, GenZ is the most conservative one since 1960s. The west still has a chance.
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>>384576608
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2015/demo/p70-141.pdf
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>>384577525
There are no community collages in my country. Only universities, and I neither have the grades nor the money to do that.
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>>384577568
That's misinterpreting the results.

Gen Z is more financially aware... because they grew up during the 2008 crisis in it's heyday. They also think they're going to rocket even further than Millennials did, that's not gonna work out. And they're even more globally focused than Millennials.
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>>384577480
Look up the company tencent that the company I plan to work for. They are a stock holding company that owns many American based ones behind the scenes I'm sure more than a few people on /v/ know who they are. The money they bring in is undeniable and the country is in the developing phase right now with one of biggest populations on earth buying more and more shares of stocks and just holding them.

You just need to keep an eye out on what big players are moving and who can do what for you there is obviously a lot of money being moved around in china if you take the time to do a bit a research.

Seriously look up tencent you will be surprised by what they own.
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>>384577849
No I won't because I know. I also know that at any moment the chinese banking system might implode and all the money in china will be worthless which is why anyone with money in China is trying to get it out of China.

This is letting the CCP play hilarious havok with cryptocurrency though as they keep closing all the big exchanges in China, letting the value plummet and buying them all and re-opening them.
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>>384577565
If you don't have an open mind to do other research I can't force you. But there are a lot of chances you are missing. I've lived there for 2 years and met people that have been there longer. That's why I am saying do your own research or even at least ask /trv/
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>>384577849
>Acting like Tencent is some secret illuminati that nobody but you has ever heard of.
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>>384570986
>Unions are generally bad and unncessary with modern workers rights
This thinking is akin to using an umbrella in a storm, realizing you haven't gotten soaked, then tossing the umbrella for being useless.

>paying into a union each month that offers me nothing
Unless you negotiated your own contract, you've probably benefited from the union.

>The entire purpose of the rise of unions was to prevent workers from being fired or mistreated because they sustained injuries on work, or got pregnant, etc.
The entire purpose was to organize workers to balance out the organized companies in deals. Companies are still organizations, so unions still make sense. Unions are the product of a free market.
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>>384577941
>I won't do research because I think I know everything
Come on anon we are not teenagers anymore that kind of attitude does not fly after highschool. Why so aggro against something that does not fit into your world views?
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>>384577037
just dont do something dumb and get accused of spying on the government, you dont want to end up in a workcamp
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>>384577162
>You borrow money in order to invest in the economy and society, and then you use the tax income generated from your newly invigorated economy to pay back the banks.
The problem is how that money is spent and on who. Never trust the government to put taxpayer money to good use. It's not their money as such they have no incentive to use it wisely.
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>>384578113
If you want to put your faith in it go right ahead.

As I said, no one fucking knows. We know it's probably bust but that's it. We have no real idea what China's banking and financial infrastructure looks like. But everyone with money in China is desperately trying to get it out, that we know.

It could well all be fine, hell I think China is probably very resilient to 2008 style crashes. But I wouldn't put my chips there. If you want to go ahead.
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>>384577961
>China is great man
>don't listen to all those screencaps and news stories about the horrendous infrastructure and non-existent health and safety codes or the fact that you're working with Chinese people
Look brother, if you want to work in China that's on you. But don't say it's great and then not give any reasons why other than the potential to make bank in a place not worth living in. Don't say it's actually fine to live in if you refuse to say why.
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>>384577162
>You borrow money in order to invest in the economy and society, and then you use the tax income generated from your newly invigorated economy to pay back the banks

this requires that the government actually uses the borrowed mony for projects that actually increase its revenue in the long run - like infrastructure for example. but this barely happens, instead the borrowed money is just thrown at welfare recipients because they are a gigantic voting bloc
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>>384578024
>>384578024
I literally said in my post most people on /v/ have probably heard of them. But I don't assume most people know about them because they have no reason too. Am I just supposed to assume most people know about a stock holding company?
>>384578163
The cops in china are the most lazy motherfuckers I have ever seen. There is a phrase in china that goes like this
>If you see a cop car in front of your house don't worry
>They are most likely out they get lunch around the corner

I seriously doubt shit would happen to you unless you were actually doing something. You can get away with alot more shit in china than back home from what i have seen . Also not a good idea to go if you are japanese tho.
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