Warframe

>>384557970
>Update 2
ops, I mean update 21

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>>384557970
Well they altered the grind
Added new features to the grind
New locations to grind
New missions to grind
New weapons to grind for
Movement options to use while grinding
Warframes to grind as
Options to buy to lessen the grind.

>>384558582
>le grind meme
do you prefer a 20 hours game?

>>384558582

This is how all mmorpgs work, anon.

>>384557970
Whose the cutest Warframe and why is it Mag?

>>384557970
damn angry joe been doing some neck curls, swole af neck right there

>>384557970
Its all the same shit.

>>384559383
It takes a lot of work to pump all that blood into his face to keep it red.

>>384557970
What's his name again?

>>384559521

Perturbed Pedro

>>384559319
Mag is useless.

Probably infertile aswell.

>>384558582
I don't see a problem here.

>>384559652
What's the point of having a qt tenno waifu if you cannot produce an even cuter tenno loli?

>>384557970
Did you photoshop this photo??

>>384559589
She still looks cute and fuggable. Also how do you impregnate a fleshy robot?

>>384559521
Assblasted alihandro.

>>384559652
>can't do high level until you have the meta mods and weapons
>once you get them there is nothing left to accomplish
>just do the exact same thing over and over a thousand times in a row

Don't fall for the skinner box.

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>>384559710
DELETE THIS

They are aliens!

>>384559710
Stick your USB stick in her 3.0 port.

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it's as bad as ever

>>384559183
Uh, yeah? How is that even a question?

Grinding sucks ass.

>>384559521
Sour Spic

>>384559521
Salty Santiago.

>>384559793
No! Warframes are just body controllers for annoying potato children.

>>384559521
Pissy Paco.

>>384559183
>>384559276
>literal stockholm syndrome
call me when they add some decent fucking content to warframe

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>>384559917
i dont know what i should feel

>>384559521
Peeved Patricio

>>384557970
jesus christ, look at how fat this fucker got, he's about to explode

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>>384560205
take that back or I will melt your face with gas!

bbbbbBBBRRRRRR

Will I be lost if I jump into this game, now?

>>384561565
Lost? There is no real PVP element, not one that is anywhere near playable that is. Everything meaningful is PVE, and you can solo everything, so you wouldn't ever be lost. Its just grind waiting to get the right drops so you can keep grinding the exact same maps over and over.
The story and lore gets progressively worse as time goes on. There isn't much appeal beyond looking cool on the surface.

Most of the cool looking weapons aren't even viable against high level enemies, its just throw away trash that you grind for experience. Thats the entire core of the game. Build things, grind them, throw them away.

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>>384561779
>Most of the cool looking weapons aren't even viable against high level enemies

?

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>>384559917
DE Rebecca thread?

DE Rebecca thread.

>>384561779
There's a fun game somewhere inside Warframe, but it's so obscured by billions of layers of grind that you can't ever see it.

Like if you imagined Warframe as a $60 game where you got a new weapon unlocked every time you cleared a mission, and a new frame every time you cleared a planet, and the melee mechanics weren't locked away behind the mod-drop system, you can picture it being a fun game.

It's just that it's shredded to pieces so each piece can be hidden behind endless goddamn grind

>>384562356
This. I feel like the game only starts after you get all of the frames and a properly modded weapon.

That said, I'm 300+ hours in and still working on getting the frames. I'm down to only a couple left, Vauban Prime being the big one

>>384559521
Spicy Sanchez

>>384561963
Thats a heinously ugly shit heap.

Tiberon isn't viable.
Supra is barely viable, but is an inaccurate bullet hose.
Opticor is just a repackaged bow that operates the same way. Incapable of handling mobs, not viable.
Stradavar isn't viable.
Latron Prime can put out the damage with the right build, but low fire rate will get you overwhelmed by high level mobs. Sadly not viable.
Braton Prime isn't viable. Damage is way, way too low. Its the shittiest of the Primes.
Burston Prime isn't viable unless you use a macro, and that will get you banned.
Even the Soma Prime falls off in usefulness extremely fast, and you'll run out of ammo anyway.
Both the Burston Prime and Some Prime need cosmetic skins to not look retarded.
Hind, Karak, and every other non Prime? Don't even bother trying. They're incapable of competing with the meta Primes no matter what mods you put on them.

Want a shotgun? Better use the Tigris Prime or Hek with the mod because everything is trash, and the Kohm sleek is gone.

Snipers? Don't bother. There isn't a single reason why these actually exist in the game.
Bows? Exact same issue.

Launchers? Theres almost something here, but they keep nerfing the Tonkor so don't bother.


In each category there are only a couple weapons with a couple specific builds that are viable for clearing rooms at high level. If you play a non solo match without using the right builds you're going to be slow, and you're going to be a drain on your team mates.

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>>384561990
DELET THIS

>>384562587
they had a black guy visit them that stream so she came prepared

>>384561990
post webm where she comes in stream

>>384562473
My wake-up call was when DE released their 5-years player stats or whatever and if you did the math, more than half of Warframe's regular player base had literally never even crafted a frame.

The only people getting anything substantial out of the content are the people paying big fucking bucks to skip the grind. Everyone else has already done literally everything there is to do in-game by the time they unlock the cool stuff.

Like there's a guitar hero frame that gets stat buffs for attacking in-time to the music. That's so fucking cool, and nobody is ever going to use it because it's not useful for post-30-min T4 Key survival (or whatever the fashionable high-level end game is now) and by the time you unlock it, that's all that remains to do.

>>384557970
The game is still pointless grind. Did you really expect anything to change? I'd call it a more involved clicker game.

>>384562762
That was the only one I had.

>>384562794
Octavia would be a lot better if the timing for the music wasn't so precise on your teammates, and if her 1 + 2 were a bit more reliable for CC. As it stands, if you bring her for teambuffs or for CC, other frames are just better/more reliable. A big problem with a lot of the frames right now desu

>>384562794
>. That's so fucking cool, and nobody is ever going to use it because it's not useful for post-30-min T4 Key survival (or whatever the fashionable high-level end game is now) and by the time you unlock it, that's all that remains to do.
Hardly anyone plays a mission beyond DEAC, for those even capable of lasting 30min to start.

They desperately need to re-work sapping ospreys and parasitic eximus, makes any-thing remotely high-level (especially eximus strongholds) tedious and not fun

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>>384562762

>>384559521
Grumpy Gringo

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>>384563148
wats goin on here

>>384562794
>The only people getting anything substantial out of the content are the people paying big fucking bucks to skip the grind.
difference from other grindfests is Warframe actually makes you want to buy plat and if you can't afford it you can trade for it with other players
now how many MMO games allow you to trade for a store currency?
also fuck off with your reddit editing

>>384562987
But that's the point. I get that her viability is limited when the margin for error is zero, but it would be neat to do that running Saturn or something.

The frame is hidden behind end-game content, but useless to players who have hit that state. I'd say that's true of like 75-80% of the content DE makes anymore, it's just aimed at the players doing nothing but running endgame grind for the sake of completionist autism.

>>384563218
PR slut turned on by big, juicy mobile app arsenal improvements

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>>384562597
>Doesn't knows how Burston Prime operates with syndicate and rivens
>Can't fucking even into Dread basic bazillion fucking crit damage
>Doesn't knows what Rakta Cernos, Zarr, Vectis Prime, or every weapon really that can benefit from either crits or 100% status chance

I would laugh at you but you're probably serious and think that Naramon builds is the only way to go.

>>384557970
what happened to this reviewer? i remember him being smaller

>>384563264
>The frame is hidden behind end-game content, but useless to players who have hit that state.
It's a F2P game. They have to entice the lazy folks to just buy the frame with plat.

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>>384557970

>>384562597
>Latron Prime can put out the damage with the right build, but low fire rate will get you overwhelmed by high level mobs. Sadly not viable.
Riven? Punchthrough?

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>>384560205
REMOVE
POTATO

>>384563224
>difference from other grindfests is Warframe actually makes you want to buy plat and if you can't afford it you can trade for it with other players
Is that the excuse you use for the fact that making the game remotely fun to play would cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars, far more than a game like Warframe is worth?

>>384563460
Terrifying

>>384563309
>I don't know how to use Gott's calc and check numbers in the sim: The Post

The joke here is that you're the clueless shitter and you won't ever even know enough to realize it. TTK and ability to hit multiple targets matters.

>>384563414
Get the best Riven possible, say you get a miraculous roll and you get no real negative aspects on it. The Latron is still going to end up inferior to another weapon with a higher fire rate.
The concept of Riven mods themselves is just a bandaid to address the broken and useless weapon stats in the game.

>>384563478
>hundreds of dollars
I spent $25 on plat with a 75% discount, and it's lasted me over 7 months thus far. Gotten way more playtime out of it than any $60 game I've purchased in the past two years.

>>384563354
Yeah, I understand that. But TF2 is a F2P game and you don't have to spend $500 (or 9,000 hours grinding) making it into a functional game just so you can start to have fun with it.

I get the whole "pay to not grind" concept but Warframe takes it to such absurd extremes even Koreans would be taken aback.

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>>384559319
ember a best

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>>384563460
DELETE THIS

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>>384563460

>>384563606
How many actual things have you crafted, though.

I got months and months out of Warframe too, running my starter xCal and basic entry gear. When I realized getting anything substantial demanded replaying boss missions dozens and dozens of times hoping for multiple random blueprint drops just for a chance to start crafting (if you had all the other shit that crafting required) was when I dropped the game.

>>384558582
I want to splooge on that woman

>>384563758
>How many actual things have you crafted, though.
All of them? I'm MR20, and 95% of my plat use was towards warframe/weapon slots exclusively. The other 5% for the premium Frost skin when that got community voted.

>>384563883
Okay. I guess have fun, then, I can't conceive of anybody actually enjoying speedrunning the same mind-numbing missions literally hundreds of times over and over hoping for random drops, but if you're into it then I wish you god speed.

>>384564148
>speedrunning the same mind-numbing missions literally hundreds of times over and over hoping for random drops
I'm playing this game because the shooting and skills are fun, if you don't like that then Warframe is not for you anon.

>>384564148
The core gameplay loop is fun, and it's a fantastic podcast listening game.

>I can't conceive of anybody actually enjoying speedrunning the same mind-numbing missions literally hundreds of times over and over hoping for random drops
Outside of some rare stance mods, Warframe isn't remotely as bad in this regard compared to other full-priced popular games, like the MH series.

who /LatoVandal/ here?

>tfw miss Telos Boltice for crate farming and not its stupid AoE dps potential

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>played 300 hours on console
>stopped over a year ago
>tempted to pick it up on PC now

how long does the fun last in early game

>>384563460
I kinda like being a loli. But it does ruin the frames, I agree.

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Why are people hyped for openworld trash?

>>384564926
Max range limbo

>>384565083
because then they can pretend they're not rats in a maze

>>384561086
Only if you eat the tater tots first!

>>384565083
Something different.

>>384565021
around 2 months

>>384565083
>Glorified hub with only four people maximum
>"Open world"

How did Warframe manage to acquire so many whales?

i miss my warbros #1

>>384559521
Seven Pesos Hesus

>>384565083
Excited for weapon making and naming, though I'm sure it'll be locked behind a billion hours and grindwalls
I want a goddamn single bladed greatsword already, and I'm sure Galatine prime will still beat it out in all categories

>>384564926
it still lets you go fast
I miss coptering

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>>384565673
Why would a need a hub in Warframe. I don't use the Relay. I only use the ship and chat and farm my Kuva. Why would DE waste their time on this stuff?

>>384565068
>Umbra quest speculated to be about the option to ditch your operator, appeasing both sides of the community
>it's probably going to be nothing of the sort, and we're stuck with the potato children forever now

>>384559521
Hysteric Hispanic

tfw drank the kuva and scared of future negative repercussions

I didn't even know it was bad until afterwards my friend was like "Dude you just made the evil choice"

>>384566527
If you hold out any hope for DE's writing you're deceiving yourself. Its trash because the people in charge are trash.
Its trash because Warframe is a minimal investment cash cow.

People who pay DE money aren't going to suddenly start dropping more cash on plat if they revitalize the lore and gameplay. They're going to pay money for frames, they'll pay to skip grind, they'll pay for cosmetics. Thats what this demographic of whales does. Every cash shop game has these.
DE investing real time into making a compelling and competent story would mean a waste of resources on their part so it won't ever happen.
The autists on /vg/ came up with thousands of pure gold ideas that would radically change Warframe into a real polished gem. Though everything they could come up with will only ever be fanfiction.

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>>384566641
>Tfw also drank the kuva
>Finished the chains of harrow quest recently
>My tenno is sitting on the codex table thing
>confused and approach it
>HEY KIDDO

>>384559183
I do actually

>>384566641
>>384566932
>tfw didn't drink kurwa
>made all the good mass effect choices
>worried I'll get screwed over with some gay defensive skill/power instead of an xxAnimeWeedLord420xx edgemaestro scaling damage thing
there's no winning with these fuckers

>>384567220
They've said before that the "morality" meter will be able to be changed in more than just quests. I think they mentioned something about being able to feed Helminth capture targets for evil points. If they ever do tie some mechanic in with it, it'll probably be changable.

>>384566932
I've actually encountered the kid ghost two more times later on as well since doing that quest.
Once it was sitting on the shop counter, other time it was peering from behind the hallway next to the armory.

>>384566932
>>384567516
>it somehow has better character, animation and facial expression than your operator.

>>384559521
Huge Jose

>>384566932
Don't have to have drank the kool-aid for ghost tenno to show up. It shows up for everybody after finishing that quest. Although you might not notice since it spawns in random places and disappears if you take the camera off of it.

>>384566870
It's why I'm surprised they're investing a lot of resources and time in the new non-tiled content. They could have probably made three new LEGO-level planets for the time it took to do the outdoors stuff once.

>>384567978
What's the fucking point of the kool-aid then? I thought it had something to do with it because it had the same creepy eye thing.

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>>384567597
That;s because it's probably the real you controlling the potato operator. The hole goes deeper.

>>384568157
An illusion of choice. Even if you went full white knight, you still got the creepy eyes thing.

>>384568157
It does, but DE forced the ghost tenno on everybody regardless of their alignment because they probably realized that making the alignments was a stupid idea since if you make content specifically for one of the alignments you're alienating 2/3 of the other players.

Regardless of what choice you pick in the War Within, you hear the "hey kiddo" voice, so everyone's involved with it.

>>384568157
>hey, what if we actually made actions have consequences?
>what would these consequences even be?
>we'll figure something out later!

>>384568865
Don't rush the devs.
Its a beta!

>>384568936
Wait, still? How long has it been a beta now?

>>384569107
It's a perpetual 'Beta', as an excuse for it being all over the fucking place.
it will never leave 'Beta', because that would require the devs to be accountable

>>384569339
This. They never fix long-standing bugs and cause hundreds of new ones with every update and it being out of beta would mean they would actually have to fix bugs instead of pushing out new skin collections all the time for whale money.

>>384569417
>implying the devs care about anyone aside from their whales
i'm not sure where you get this idea that a game being officially released suddenly makes things different

>>384569492
They would stop being able to instantly deflect criticism with the "beta" excuse, at least.

>>384559521
Five dollar Joe

>>384569592

big whoop

>>384569339
>>>/wsg/1766654

>the retard saying Octavia isn't viable past 30 minutes

That's how you know these cry faggots don't play the game

>>384557970
Reminder: they paid angry joe for this video.

>>384570680
Is there even a point to staying in a game past rotation C, ever?

>>384557970
I came back after a long break, the game is almost exactly the same.

>>384570791
other than XP and seeing how far you can go, no.

>>384559183
Grind isn't time, grind is boredom over time.

I've played games for a day that felt more grindy than ones I've played for months.

Warframe is a grind.

>>384570791
Yeah some people like to do endless runs, they find it fun

>>384570791
No, it's counter productive if you want the drops.

>>384570791
>>384571080
Unless endless fissure for free grindboxes

>>384571202
Free? I thought you used up the relics as you chose them?

>>384571791
some of the rewards in mission are relics, you can choose to use those

>>384559521
Rustled Rodrigo

Is it better to be autistic about alerts for potatoes or just farm up plat and buy them that way?

>>384573772
autism, use deathsnacks to keep track

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>>384566932
>overall grey with a little black
>"Don't forget, kiddo... you're nothing without me"
>After chains of harrow
>Kid ghost sits on my codex table
>pushing some of my figurines back so it can sit
>"Hey Kiddo"
>his face when

>>384559183
>>384559276
The problem with Warframe's grind is exactly that, it's a fucking grind, heck even the first time you start the game you already start grinding. At least some game hide their grind behind different things, in Warframe you literally repeat the same maps over and over then when you've farmed enough you fucking wait for hours to get the item you grinded, then start another grind.

>>384570791
if the additional time that higher level enemies is less than the time it takes to find a new match then yes
And there are also those boosts you get every rotation

>>384573772
Weaponize your autism

>>384574951
It's diablo or path of exile in third person shooter flavor.

>>384576226
Diablo and PoE both give you end game content. Warframe has none.
PoE has far, far less grind than Warframe too. Warframe's grind is Korean tier. You can spend a hundred hours getting one build unless you want to pay cash for things.

>>384562597
Macros get you banned these days?

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>>384566641
I handed it off to Teshin like the faggot I am.

>>384576738
Its been that way for a long time. The burst fire mechanic was always a buggy mess, so you needed a macro to mouse click with frame perfect timing to maximize DPS with the Burston Prime.
DE has periodically gone through waves of banning people for using the macro. Some people get unbanned, others don't. Its not worth risking.

>>384573772
>farm relics and sell prime parts for 5-50 plat depending on the rarity
>buy mods from people in the trade chat for low prices and resell them for 10-20 plat profit

I've been doing this for like a week and i've tripled my initial platinum I goyed from the shop. I literally buy potatoes for any weapon or frame I like.

>warframe
>good
>ever

/wfg/ would like a word

>>384559521
Agitated Antonio

>>384576635
>end game content
running procedurally created maps over and over trying to get better equipment.
And you're just overstating the grind required. 'One build' probably shares half its mods with every other build ever, and those tend to be the real time sinks.

>>384576909
Any idea if they do it by detecting third-party softwares running in the background? I've used Steelseries own program for a slide-attack macro for a year or so.

>>384577772
No clue how they detect it.

I think it's a shame that every piece of lore I learn from the launch of the game has basically made the games writing look worse and worse.

>>384578356
>spend hundreds of years killing literally everything
DON'T CALL ME A KID

>>384559521
Vacation Vazquez

>>384562356
I just started like 5 hours or so ago, are there any frames I can unlock super quick?

>>384579504
You need to get to jupiter before you can get one of the required components to craft the blueprints you pick up, so not really.

That said you can kill the venus boss over and over for rhino parts, which is an extremely good early frame.

>>384579504
Rhino
but remember 10o
Every tank frame is an upgrade of rhino later on

>>384576939
>listening to jews who suck smegma from each other's dicks

>>384579504
you can buy plat to unlock one instantly

>>384559521
Steve

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>>384559917
Sheldon thinks I don't notice him trying so hard to look.

What a cherry.

>>384563758

>When I realized getting anything substantial demanded replaying boss missions dozens and dozens of times hoping for multiple random blueprint drops

Nah, most boss drop blueprints can be acquired very quickly, and more and more blueprints drop from quests and fix locations now.

Prime shit is grindy as fuck, but not as bad as it was, desu.

>>384581779
>Who authorized this?

>>384559521
>Chunky Salsa