redpill me on overwatch? is it really bad?

yes

consider yourself redpilled now

>>>/Reddit/

>>384555386
fpbp

>>384555338
>redpill me
what does that even mean? i don't keep up with generation Z lingo

>>384555338
It's a skill-less shooter. That's basically it.

It's fun.

If you aren't instalocking soldier76 or pharah may as well play any other game.
Too many classes feel inconsistent or down right tickle the opposition.

>>384555469
This isn't true.

The skill just isn't the same as other shooters. The main skill you need is teamwork and coordination. You can't just win it by yourself like you can in Quake or Counterstrike or even Team Fortress 2. Team play is mandatory unless you're playing against the absolutely bottom of the barrel garbage players.

>>384555536
>pharah
well memed friend

>>384555626
Unless it's a full 6 man group most teams get destroyed.
>not having a mercy pal

>>384555338
No.
Especially if you're going to just play casually . It's fun to jump in and just bang out a few rounds.
Comp is a whole other beast . Right now comp is kind of broken in its system. One tricks , leavers, and trolls make the experience just awful and blizzard reporting system does nothing anyway.

>>384555338
It's a game that sounds like it's extremely fresh and new and versatile, like all these abilities and diverse characters will really spice up the game play but, ironically, it's boring and there's very little you can really do outside of a certain characters parameters. It will never be the TF2 killer and has very little staying power. Too much specialization with too little generalization, so you're primarily stuck as [role].

Mercy is literally nothing but a heal slut, you can't go outside of that. At least as something like medic you have a decent health pool and DPS.

>>384555573
Which basically makes it checkers, hence why every game is close and just pisses you off.

Fuck any FPS that involves hardcounters. You can't even properly 1v1 each other in this game without that happening

>>384555776
What SR are you paying at?

>>384555950
3772

>>384555338
No, it's a well-made game, it has the Blizzard seal of polish that doesn't really have an equal in the industry
It just really restricts you in what you can do, there's barely any fun maneuvers to do, and it's heavily reliant on teamwork
I like it to pop a few heads now and then in quick play

>>384555338
can it be fun? yeah. is it competitive? it is until blizzard stops burning their money. game is basically babby's first shooter. it's fucking garbage as an esport, but for fucking around it's okay. the "community" is full of retards who flip shit if you don't follow their meme meta because this quick play game will squander their chances of going pro or some shit. honestly baffled at how people take a game like this seriously when characters like winston, mei, and symmetra exist. again, not a bad game for fun or if you've never played shooters, but you should look elsewhere if you want competition or a skill ceiling that isn't a puddle.

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>>384555338
It's okay, that's about it.
Its problems are Blizzard still being incompetent at balancing things despite making video games for decades and the awful twitch/meta-slave community.

>>384555338
It's a decent multiplayer, but it's shit community ruined it beyond repair.

Everyone is so OP you can pick anyone, play for 5 min and then kick so much ass you think you're pro.
Which is why this game has done so well.

It's a game you play for when you want to feel good and win. Because you can't lose in this game.

>>384555338
Yes. /thread
>>384555573
>The main skill you need is teamwork and coordination
Which exists in other games as well, and other games actually take aim and movement skill.

https://youtu.be/QsH0ZXWeZZs?t=5432

>>384555796
>i type like this . with every word i write .
Thirdworlder detected.

>>384555516
>>384555573
>>384555796
>>384556121
Leave

TF2 is more fun to play

>>384556762
This, babby's first MOBA defenders need to get the fuck off the board.
If you not only play but DEFEND Overwatch you do not belong on /v/.

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>>384556762
>why aren't you following the meme rules and saying you hate overwatch?
>don't you know that hating overwatch is a meme so you have to do it!
>waaaaaah mommy he isn't saying he hates overwatch stupid I bet he goes to reddit

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you should only play overwatch if
1. you are completely new to fps games
2. you have like 7000 hours in tf2 and burnt out on that game

idk where this OW takes no skill meme came from. There are both high skill characters genji/zarya/tracer and low skill characters winstons/mercy/lucio

Every character is just gimped enough that you can't actually do what you want to be able to do, except Ana*. I guess Tracer too but she can literally only do the one thing she's designed for. Everyone's movement except Lucio's is shitty and just gimped enough to not be fun. You'd think Pharah and Junkrat would have fun movement but their implementation of explosive jumping just sucks.

The maps are all linear a/d where the defenders have the advantage until someone fucks up and then attackers win for free.

The whole game is designed to prevent you from styling on people too hard and ruining someone else's fun but in doing that they just ruin everyone's fun.
*this might have changed in the year or so that I haven't been playing

it's _OK_, people only really play it because everyone else plays it, kinda like how Halo 3 was. The game falls the fuck apart at high level play because map design is terrible.

>>384556997
Even then you should probably try Paladins first.

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>>384555464

>>384556762
>/v/ is such an independent bastion of thought and reason good thing we're not a circlejerk like reddit
>waah you like a thing the hivemind has determined not to like go away stop disrupting my circlejerk!
every time

>>384556845
By your logic TF2 would also be a fucking MOBA. The term is so watered-down by some people that you can slap the term on anything to make it sound more shitty.

>>384556940
>>384557350
Lol mad OWbabs

>>384556940
>>384557350
>one person disapproves of your taste in video games
>t-the hivemind is u-upon us!!!1

>>384558260
Yes anon when you tell people to leave your treehouse because they dared to utter a positive thing about a game your club doesn't like you're pretty deep down the circlejerk hole

it's a game that everyone desperately tries to criticize based on not being an exact TF2 clone, even if they're both class-based shooters with some similar elements.

>>384558912
>based on not being an exact TF2 clone
It's an inferior TF2 clone. Lower skill ceiling, less content, poor game balance and design.
If it was a TF2 clone that was just as good I would probably be playing it right now.
But since it offers the same thing TF2 does, but worse, and Activision Blizzard want you to pay money for the privilege, here I am shitting on it.

Don't play babby's first FPS.

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They hardcore ripped off billy and mandy

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>>384555338
Its a moba

>>384555338
It's cool but it's got a pesky ranked mode that gives half the playerbase an excuse to literally not even play the game in quick play and the other half to go full tryhad e sports screaming into the mic tier autistic.
So fun game, obnoxious players and developers I guess.

>>384555338
>is it really bad?
yeah, it takes no skill and is shallow as fuck
basically Babby's First FPS (even more so than Halo and CoD)

>>384558396
If a hundred guys told you to leave it would be a circlejerk, but if it's just one guy it doesn't mean anything

The worst thing is probbaly the ranked mode.
Holy shit it's cancerous as fuck.

>>384555865
OW doesn't have hard counter though

>>384555338
It's fun if you play in quickplay/arcade. Don't even bother with competitive, it's a casual game so it completely defeats the purpose.

>t. hanzo player

It's a casualized version of TF2. Which is an incredible accomplishment considering how casual TF2 already is.

How do I find people to play with?

>>384562664
>Reaper
>Winston

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>>384562778
um sweetie

>>384562837
Talk in voice chat, be entertaining and make friends.
Also I'm pretty sure there's like an app or something where you can squad up with randoms.

>>384562914
https://youtu.be/pYWlWxOUJWc

>>384555865
>Game needs teamwork
>That makes it like checkers

Eh?

>>384555338
you'll have fun as long as you don't play it for 8 hours a day. then you'll get shitty and bitter

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>>384563024
Still the best

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>>384562876
Get good? There are very few classes that can't at least put up a good fight 1v1 vs. their counter. Or shit just run away, if you're Winston Reaper isn't going to be able to chase you down once you jump away.

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blizzbabbies will defend this shitty game

I never really get the whole "overwatch is too easy" gripe when most of /v/ is in Gold. I mean really guys?

>>384563365
I've played less than 10 hours
worst $40 I ever spent, including the time I wasted an entire gas tank driving in circles in a parking lot for no reason

>>384563348
But it's not like that?

>>384555516
HOW DARE YOU?!?!

>>384563484
it literally is
have you even played it?

>>384563432
did you have a nervous breakdown?
and same the game just doesnt feel right for me, hard to put youre finger on it
but >>384557124 hit the nail on the head

>>384563365
I was in Masters before i finally quit, the game is just cancerous and generally not fun to play

>>384563535
Yes, masters, level 300-something.

>>384555338
Best Waifus ever.

Its an SJW game

>>384563348
This guy probably played for a week, did his placements, played some comp and went on to write this.

It honestly is not true since there's different metagame and strategies that make use of different heroes.

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>>384555573
No, it doesn't. Team fights boil down to who has ults first and can use them to get a wipe.

There's no satisfying DM in the game, the weapons have no impact to them, the maps are designed like shit and the biggest offender of all is that it's nothing but a boring ass skinner box.

Play a game where you can feel good about shooting someone in the face and then play Overwatch.

>>384555338
Blizzard doesnt know how to balance for shit, and just kneejerks whenever they find out everyone isnt using every character 24/7

Little depth cause gotta get that casual market! But lets make them feel better and try to force it as an esport!

Race to get your Ult because thats basically what decides games

Maps designed to remove strategic play and just wait til the next chokepoint

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>>384564079
>It honestly is not true since there's different metagame and strategies that make use of different heroes.

>>384564240
Do you not understand what a meta game is? How much do you play multiplayer games exactly?

>>384564315
There's only one viable strategy so far in OW and it always dominated everything.

This ain't dota son.

>>384555338
It's a lot of fun but part of the playerbase wants it to be competitive and the game is now headed in that direction since release. Also balance between patches can kind of suck because its Blizzard.

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>>384555338
just play PUBG its the better game

>>384564240
When did they buff winston?

>>384564463
>there's only one
No

But the game is practically still new, i wouldn't sweat it.

>>384564463
>This ain't dota son.
>son
You need to be more subtle.

>>384564315
meta game =/= hero usage

For example in dota like >>384564463 said there's a meta game that kinda dictate what's the best strategy around (Playing defensive, offensive, etc.) and yet it's one of the game that see the most different hero usage in any moba.

The meta game is OW is not only stale (Dive comp has been around for how long now?) but the pick rates in competition and even the ranked more is terribly limited.

>>384564240
>>384564315
>>384564463
>>384564640
>>384564782
>>384565059
>arguing about babby's first FPS
Overwatch is a bad game, stop arguing with them, they already know it.

>>384565142
You can't even read autist, stop posting

>>384564240
this doesnt matter unless youre playing on a pro level with full teams

>>384555573
This is true.

Which is why I find Overwatch so fucking boring. It's impossible to get anything done without coordinated ults. At least in TF2 you can make a push without an ubercharge.

So apparently Ana is bad now. What's the new meta now? Is Lucio still good, he's the only Support I like to play and are decent at.

>>384565745
He's still godly, and always will be.
Ana is still used but a little bit less because of monkey dick.

>>384555338
I found the game to be quite flat without any real depth, so there isnt much to learn in it. I found most of the characters pretty annoying even after a short amount of time.

>>384565275
Mad OWbabs need their dummies?

Overwatch is to FPS as what WoW was to MMO's back in the day.

It's super casual and cartoonish style that kids love. They make a genre more casual and everyone loves it, PC gamers love casual games.

>>384565794
Oh shit, Winston is viable now? did he get a buff? Now I don't have to force myself to play Rein anymore.

If you are playing it for competitive then yes, it is not good or balanced.

If you play it for brawl modes and QP then it is perfectly fine.

>>384565878
Since dive comp is still king, monkey is one of the best hero since its buff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqELdFd0dU

They patched all the fun out of TF2.

>>384555796
>ow
>casually

Quick match became as toxic and full of tryhards as league of shitends the day ranked matches got released

>>384565809
What does it feel like to be merely tolerated wherever you go?
Man stupid people have it rough.

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>>384555573
>Press Q simultaneously with your teammates
>Teamplay, guys!

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>>384565142
>babby's first FPS
Oh but that's wrong.

>>384566305
Get out of here gramps

Overwatch is pretty fun, but Blizzard's priorities seem to be completely fucked. Some of the design choices are just weird.
You have characters like Lucio that can heal and speed boost, they can wall ride, they can boop people off the map, they can do decent damage, they can win teamfights by giving everyone on your team a temporary shield. You have someone like Ana who can do damage, heal from a distance, shut down enemy healing and burst them down with a grenade, they can put people to sleep for a long time and they can press Q and have a team member wipe the entire enemy team.
Then you have someone like McCree. Just a guy with a gun and a stun, and a terrible ultimate. Just a guy with a gun. No passive ability, no crazy wall riding, no healing. You just go around clicking pew pew pew, and if someone gets in your face you stun them for 0.5 sec.

Who designed this shit?

>>384566084
>they fixed a gamebreaking bug therefore reeee

>>384566305
Overwatch is literally even more of a babby's first FPS than Faglo is. At least pretty much every gun in Halo requires some sort of aim. Not so for "winston gun, symmetra turret, torbjorn turret, ridiculously large spread reaper shotgun, mccree aimbot" AKA Overwatch, the babby's first FPS.

>>384555464
Redpilling comes from the movie the dominimatrix where a guy called doctor Morphine asks Son Goku if he wants the red pill so he can transcend and become a superhero or a blue pill so he can continue being a normie, afterwards he becomes a super hero and kills the G man

>>384555536
>telling people to instalock DPS
Please stop

Stop perpetuating this.

Every fucking game these days is 2 tanks, 3 DPS and 1 healer because of people like you. And that set up is a huge diceroll because if that healer gets fucked then it's fucking over. And that set up also basically necessitates Mercy unless you're a godly Ana.

Not only that, but you actively make more people likely to argue if you instalock.

>They shouldn't get upset, and if they do, that's not my fault!
Yes it fucking is. How you act and how you impact others is absolutely on you. You're doing something that is stubborn and refusing to change for the team - that is not only playing badly, it's disruptive too.

>>384564315
>balance heroes so poorly that only few are actually viable
>THIS IS JUST HOW META LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW

I dropped OW at dia because there were constantly 7 or 8 heroes being played over and over again with 0 variation (with eventual patch that rendered one of those heroes useless and made another one op in its place)

I guess dota really is the best competitive game

>>384566945
>playing Overfeces
>Giving Activision-Blizzard money to take a dump on the industry
Please stop

Stop perpetuating this.

>instead of making small tweaks on the hero to make them all somewhat equally balanced we should make massive nerfs or buffs now and then!
Why are Blizzard so incompetent with balancing?

>>384555338
It's the worst game I've ever played

>>384556336
gr7 b7 m7 i r7 it an 7/7

>>384566750
Halo never required you to have a good aim since every enemy besides the smallest flood creeps have ridiculously large hitboxes, plus their movement are slow and easily predictable. Also there's no point to criticize winston tesla since needler exists, which is even more no-brainer gun.

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Overwatch is just not fun. It's a tiresome, objectiveless drag that completely lacks the individual skill or exceptionalism you can learn in either shooters or MOBAs, the two genres it siphons ideas from.

What do you even do in it? You queue up, and the matchmaking system flips a win/lose coin based on your recent win history to keep you (and all the other idiots) in the game at a comfortable, complacent 50% winrate. Depending on how this turns out, you either get matched up with aces and completely stomp, or mouthbreathers and completely lose. Your individual performance does not matter because the game places too much value in its characters and not your own. So you sit through the predetermined win or loss for 20 minutes, perform the same rote actions that you've always done and always will do because the skill ceiling for 90% of the cast is barely above the skill average, then queue up and do it again

It sucks. Bring back McCree and let good players do well again

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>>384567556
Because they got taken over by Activision.

Bobby Kotick, CEO, wants to "take the fun out of making games". That is a REAL QUOTE.

When you buy Overshit you are giving this man your money.

>>384563335
You just proved him right you retard.

>>384556762
No.

/v/ cant play games on a competitive level, especially team based. take their advice with a grain of salt

When every hero moves at the same speed, it's no wonder those with insane movement abilities come out on top. Imagine if everyone in TF2 ran at Heavy's speed. OW is filled to the brim with awful design decisions and is generally the opposite of fun.

>Hero switching is important in our game!
>BTW you lose your ult charge upon switching and said ults are the only way to break defenses when every map is a chokepoint.

>>384555338
It's a fun, shallow game that gets treated like it's a super fucking serious e-sports contender to its own detriment. The game was fun when you could stack characters and have multiple people on a team pick the same champ. That shit could be hilarious. Of course you can't do that anymore because muh srs bsns even though there isn't enough there there to take it seriously.

You are mostly limited how well you can play based on what character you pick.

Meanwhile in tf2 you can go on a rampage as most characters if you are a good player, besides maybe medic (unless your aim is really good with cb)

OW had like two characters that could do this and Im mostly talking about release Widowmaker. Genji is another one but he was not as good as launch widow

>>384555338
it's a great game ruined by a shitty community and french people

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>>384555776
>tfw you are the Mercy pal
IT'S PURE TORTURE. YOU FUCKS JUST RUN OFF ALONE AND EXPECT ME TO HEAL YOU. FUCK.

>>384568087
The novelty of facing 3 Zaryas wears off quick.

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>>384568148
Shut up and pick ana so I can charge.

>>384568174
The novelty of playing the game wears off quick. The occasional odd comp helped it.

>>384568090
Bs in ow you are limited by Your Team thats it.

>>384555338
Bad game, TF2 is miles better. OW is for SJWs, bad gamers, and AIDS-spreading bug-chasing faggots who main Lucio.

it's an fps game with ultimates. nothing more needs to be said about it

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>>384555464
>movie came out in 1999
>generation Z
Nah m8, you're just clueless.

>>384557124
>The whole game is designed to prevent you from styling on people too hard and ruining someone else's fun but in doing that they just ruin everyone's fun.

Fuck, this is it. This is exactly what it is.

The games community is too gay, cuck and tumblr now.

>>384567803
I bought overshit and regret it, paid for starcraft 2 after I pirated the single player campaign so I can play ranked multiplayer but I never even installed the game, and then bought heart of the swarm too.
Then I bought spent 10 dollars on a WoW sale which I can't even find on my acount
I'm thinking of buying diablo 3 and the expansion next. Maybe I'll play it maybe not.

These seemed like good ideas at the time

>>384568329
>It makes me mad when people like a game I don't

>>384568563
This. - Had people talking about reporting me in fucking arcade of all things - fuck off, Reinhardt is a legitimate pick in 3's.

>>384568563
>The games community is too buzzword, buzzword and buzzword now.
Really stimulated my neurons.

>>384557021
Winston being low skill and Tracer being high skill show how little you know about the game.

>>384568631
yeah, you're triggered, cuck

>>384568695
>winston isnt braindead
oh okay I can see people you have some things you need to work out

>>384562431
>babbies first fps
>Halo
>probably never played a single competitive match in Halo 3 and Reach
Fuck off you faggots

>>384568587
>I'm thinking of buying diablo 3 and the expansion next.
Please stop yourself. I've played Diablo 3 ROS. Apart from one part of the game, the entire thing is a ridiculously easy yawnfest that doesn't become challenging at all until the way later difficulties, and it forces you to play through the easy difficulties to unlock the difficult ones.

You have to gimp yourself (I stopped myself buying potions) to have any challenge at all, and even then it's still boring and grindy and bosses are little better than damage sponges.

>>384568716
>yeah, you're buzzword, buzzword
What did he mean by this?

>>384568716
How red is ur face right now

>>384566305
Remember when /v/ used to hate Halo?

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>>384555464
oh boy

>>384568773
Pretty sure that entire post is a troll.

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>>384568775
>>384568784

>>384568728
He doesn't aim so he's braindead. That's why every Winston below diamond just gets shrekt instantly. I didn't see a half decent Winston until I hit upper diamond beginning of masters

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>>384568904

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>>384568793
I still do. I hate Overshit and I hate Halo. I hate the casualization that is happening to the industry where the days of an FPS that wasn't slow as a crawl and full of "press F to awesome" are getting further and further away, because the people who control the big studios and the advertising money market their games to FUCKING RETARDS.

>>384568904
nice selfie memefriend kinda seems random tho desu

pretty fun game, though it suffers from the blizzard "balance" syndrome

instead of fine tuning things they just go in with a pressure washer hooked up to a septic tank

Played only in beta on ps4 and pc. I personally dont like game design of characters and weapons (except for mercy and tracer ass) . Its unbelievably boring for an multiplayer game, i didnt get any fun from playing it. TF2 is genetically better if you even want to compare overshit to it, that all coming from blizzdrone.

>>384568716
good comeback

>>384555338
I actually enjoy playing it. Just don't take it too seriously. It's decent.

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>>384569032

your favorite character will be OP soon enough

>>384555338
When are we getting a Gun-fu hero with the only abilities being he swaps out his weapon for a different one?

Would it be too versatile for a game like OW?

>>384563335
>1v1 duel
>"hurr i jumped away, outplayed!"

>>384557193
epic meme

>>384566296
> everyone presses Q
> all ult's wasted

Yeah, good job.

>>384568148

>"no line of sight (heal target)"
>"cant get to you dude"
>goes face first into DVA reaper and 76
>they die
>uh is our fucking healer afk or something?

>have ult ready
>one person dies
>RES ME RES ME RES ME
>spends the next 15 seconds bitching about how the game is lost thanks to me

>>384566296
Heroes never die!!

>>384555536
> pharah

Please kill yourself.

>>384569307
Why? Genji main, so I don't understand the Pharah hate

>>384568695
Winston is pretty damn easy dude. All you really need to do is know where to jump, beyond that it's just holding down the shoot button and aiming vaugley at enemies until your jump isn't on cooldown anymore.

>>384557021
The bulk of the cast is low skill though. I really don't see how anyone thinks Genji needs high skill to play well, morons just seem to assume that a character having high mobility must be high skill.

I'd argue that Widow, McCree, Pharah, Ana, and maybe a couple others have high skill ceilings, but the rest of the cast is pretty braindead.

>>384565489
OW kinda forces teamplay by gimping the players individually. A lot of people try to argue "yeah, it's a team game, duh" but other games don't do this, and they often require more teamwork.

>>384569271
>enemy team reaper tracer genji winston
>constantly getting b-lined
>no peel
>"go zenyatta plz?"
>continue getting b-lined by reaper tracer genji

>>384569350
Every match. Even Quickplay, there's a fucking premade Pharah-Mercy. It's not that I can't kill them, it's just fucking tedious and un-fun.

The scenario is fun, though, if they have a "normal" QP team at first and they get stomped -> instant pharah-mercy switch.

It's not as broken as everyone says, it's just plain annoying and I don't want to see it in fucking quickplay anymore.

>>384556121
kinda this

it's alright to scratch a light "shooter/moba/crate-unlocking simulator" itch, but if you start taking it even slightly serious, it instantly turns around and shits liquid diarrhea down your throat

t. quit after s2 at rank 3500 something

>>384569395

ana is definitely high skill.

a good player that can pop off long range heals consistently in the middle of a fight vs one that cant is a night and day difference

>>384569478
i had some fucking idiot tell me to switch to zen from mercy in ranked yesterday. i was the only god damned healer.

>>384563335
I haven't played it in months, but I remember Roadhog being pretty much unkillable by Bastion or Reinhardt. He had enough health to run to cover and get within range to hook Bastion easily, and his close range DPS was so much better that Reinhardt's that a Rein could pin him and then hit him with a firestrike and still lose the fight due to Roadhog being able to heal and do a fuckton of damage up close. That and Roadhog's hook straight beats Rein's charge.

Really, some characters get completely fucked by others, pretty sure they nerfed Ana because she actually stood a chance against Genji.

>>384569102
Valve way is the most fun on that list, but ultimately, the best way to balance is by equip rates.

>>384569551
>"at least you can trans to save yourself"
>.. wtf?

>>384568876
Different anon who's definitely not trolling here, but what bit do you disagree with?

In order to be red pilled, you need to be stupid, socially awkward and blame women for not liking

>>384564593
It was a while back and it wasn't a massive buff. It's more a change in meta.

The Winston buff was his bubble shield goes on cooldown when it's deployed and not when it is destroyed/expires.

The main reason for his pick rate is the current dive meta. In more organised teams Winston has the ability to zone out targets and split the enemy team. Combine that with the likes of Tracer, Genji and D'Va and you get a very mobile group that can quickly single out high priority targets and delete them. Because of this you have to play a similar comp in defense so that you can back out fast enough.

This is why Reinhart has a much lower pick rate. He can't keep up with the enemy or his own team and because of that his barrier is useless.

>>384555338
It never was, it isnt, and it never be. Only /v/ started shits over it without any cause.

>>384555338
Played this shit for like a year.

Overwatch does lack in individual skill more so than I like.However it doesn't mean that games cannot be carried if you know what you're doing.

A good Ana can keep a team at 100% health if played well, a shit ana will rarely actually do any kind of reasonable healing. Same kinda meme applies to a lot of characters.

Teamwork is key and finding a good team or just a few people is more or less required if you don't want solo-queue to feel like a luck game.

tl;dr: Amazing game if played with a few like-minded friends. Shitshow if played solo.

>>384557208
>>384566871
>>384568494
>>384568861
You shouldn't treat your elder senpai like this, anon.

>>384555338
This is the only place with a general anti OW hivemind

Hitscan weapon TF2. Making it the worst of both possible worlds.

As well as the playerbase being full of fags, tumblrinas and niggers it also has lots of moba and tf2 autists piling into it. Its the perfect shitstorm.

>>384557124
>The whole game is designed to prevent you from styling on people too hard and ruining someone else's fun but in doing that they just ruin everyone's fun.
That is actually really well put. It is something I hate about titles designed to be esports and where devs have such a constant heavy hand. I want a game whree I can experiment with mechanics not be told this is the designated way to play don't express yourself.

>>384569807
Maybe because this games being shilled by libfaggots hard because its /theirgame/

>>384569494
pick hanzo
one shot bitches with headshots

>>384569494
What makes it even worse is that other teammates don't know how to look up. Pharah's AoE dmg isn't really helping "duh, I fired in your general direction, I didn't even see you, but I killed you"

>>384569890
Okay. I'm still right

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>>384569904
Like I said, it's not that I'm not able to kill them, I'm just bored of them and disappointed that I'll never get to play qp again without that cancer combination.

>>384569937
You are just pointing out this site has free speech

>>384570000
Sure. You forgot I also pointed out that it's the only place with an anti OW hivemind.

>>384570061
>the only place you can say you hate faggots freely
I wonder why.

>>384555950
If you are any good at fps, you can dominate games with pharah until high masters/GM

t. 4119 pharah main

Reddit the game

>>384570123
>I hate faggots means I think overwatch is bad.

Cool meme kekistan

>>384570231
>too much of a brainlet to understand

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I actually had a whole lot of fucking fun with this game, but the matchmaking in south america is terrible.

You feel the need to keep your team muted all the time, but there's the coordination factor in which you basically need a lot of teamwork to win.

You actually need to talk to your teammates to assign targets, tell the ult usage, making a push and. ask a hero switch etc. Which means having to hear the mexicans yell "son malos culiao jajajaja putos" or caps lock it.

You also cant climb by yourself. In competitive, which you actually has more chances of finding people wanting to win and playing serious, you basically will go against premades, hence you need premades. And making a lot of people log in on the same hour in the same day to play countless of hours just to climb is tricky.

Plus, op stupid heroes such as Pharah an Genji.
>fly behind the enemy lines
>pick the healers first, then the dps, then the tanks
>repeat
>you win everytime since you hard counter a lot of fucktards and YOUR hard counters requires a skill ceiling and focused fire

Fuck this devs.

>>384570261
Cool buzzwords

>>384555338
It's fun. Just don't take it very seriously.

>>384570325
You have to go back

>>384570332
This. Which means don't play comp.

>>384569739
>Teamwork is key and finding a good team or just a few people is more or less required if you don't want solo-queue to feel like a luck game.

Only like a few characters can "carry" and they nerfed Ana's ability to do so because it made her a needed pick.

>>384569807
>>384570061
Are you trying to argue that the game is good because it's popular? Most people are morons, and most people only hate CoD now because it's the hip meme to do, not because the game is a shallow mess.

The fact is that OW is a shallow game with bad map design that was built from the ground up to interest people not into fps games and to coddle players by not having a score board or accurately showing their KDR means that it's not a fun game to try and play for an extended time. I enjoyed my time in QP, but trying to take the game seriously is just plain unfun.

>>384569816
>hitscan is bad meme

TF2 is mostly hitscan weapons dude.

>>384570383
Epic meme Sargon

>>384555338
it's the best multiplayer FPS that is currently active, so there.

>>384570461
you're trying to "argue" that a game can be objectively bad or not lol

>>384555338
Blizzard are a social justice pandering company.

Blizzard put very little content into this game, to a disgraceful level. Paladins additions put Overwatch to shame.

Blizzard are using f2p tactics.

Blizzard are using mass guerilla advertising to push the game.

It's a very blatant skinner box game.

>>384570461
In high level play scout is the only class with hitscan, he has a low health pool and you NEED to be close to do damage

He's a glass canon that can be denied by any soldier with the ability to perform basic prediction

>>384568952
Not the guy you replied to but
>did 102 elims in high plat

This on it's own counters your point, I've logged 72 hours with Winston and a lot of people just don't know basic pros of playing him i.e. shooting multiple people at once

>>384569739
>However it doesn't mean that games cannot be carried if you know what you're doing.
and your pick the right heroes. Some have clear huge advantages which is why we see >>384564240 . This isn't just some have a little advantage, this is some do a lot more for a lot less effort to the point where some don't get any play until a patch just switches them around.

>>384570707
Scout, Heavy, and Sniper all see use at high level, but Heavies and Snipers are rare. It's just retarded arguing that rockets are the only way an FPS can have skill, Quake was more than just rockets.

>>384570675
I'm arguing the game is largely shallow and unfun to play in any sort of serious way. Like this guy's video stated >>384556674


The game is arguably bad for a comp shooter, granted it can be enjoyable to play casually due to it having some fairly unique systems.

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I wanna fuck Ana

>>384570881
>Some have clear huge advantages which is why we see >>384564240
No, that's the result of a tournament meta, not of hero balance in pub play
They're separate concepts, tournament meta only starts mattering at the very high end of pub play

Something that not many people notice is the games hero skills are taken from d3.
The latest one being the crusaders jump is dumbfists ult.
Ots just lazy game design. The worse culprit was Orisa which was just a bunch of skills from other heroes farted out as some ugly robot.

>>384555338
You know that whole "WE HAVE A MIRRION BAJIRRION PEOPLE PLAYING OVERLOOK!!!" shit blizzard constantly touts?

It's either not true or at a minimum not true for U.S., because I see the same 50 fuckwits on a near constant basis on my team or opposing team.

>>384571106
>not of hero balance in pub play
Yes lets look to the worst players to see how the game is balanced, that makes sense. Against a literal retard any character or strat can win in any game, that really says nothing about that actual game.

>tournament meta only starts mattering at the very high
This isn't true because the game is so poorly balanced. Which is partly why even at lower levels people bitch about the meta and it is griefing not to play it.

>>384571306
Of course its not true.
>over 5 minute waiting times between events.

>>384571106
Nigga, some heroes will pretty much be useless at most playlevels. Torbs can be easily countered by someone with half a brain, same with Bastion. Widow requires distance and aim, and most maps in OW are crapt and due to the fact that there's no momentum to strafing securing headshots is pretty fuckey.

Granted, there are a lot that will be used at lower and mid level play, it's still a really bad sign when half the cast isn't viable in a comp setting.

>>384555338
Honestly it's not "OMFG AWFUL". It's more just kinda boring. It lost alot of steam post launch. Game on it's own is good, but once you play it for a while the initial fun wears off and you might just end up playing TF2 again.

>>384571357
You balance for the comp players
But you don't use pick rates in comp to determine the powerlevel of individual heroes, especially when considering a setting with imperfect skill and inferior teamwork

These metadevelopments are much more striking in dotolikes, because there's tons more heroes and variables. Heroes that are considered medicre are suddenly godtier in the next patch, just because some tertriary variable changed or a new team composition was found

>moba's
>way too much shit to learn

>cs:go
>cheaters and bugged hitboxes

>tf2
>ruined with mym

>overwatch
>too ability based for a shooter

Almost none of the major e-sports are fun to play for me.

>>384571604
>nigga

>>384571618
>especially when considering a setting with imperfect skill
This would only matter if the game were deep and hard to play. Basic fps skill is all that matters. If your fps skills aren't great then playing a bad hero won't somehow help you, a good one can carry you though. It isn't even like the good characters are always the ones that require high skill.

>inferior teamwork
Same as above. This won't make bad heroes better, in fact it would encourage to lean harder on the good ones to carry your team.


>These metadevelopments are much more striking in dotolikes
Because it is deeper, and when you are looking up to a moba that makes your game on the bottom rung of depth.

>>384571663
I've been enjoying Siege a lot, but it's got worse bugs than CSGO by a solid margin.

there isn't that many cheaters in GO, people just assume there is because anything slightly fishy sets them off.

>>384571618
>individual heroes
You talk about this like any hero can easily solo a team and win the whole game for you.

>But you don't use pick rates in comp to determine the powerlevel of individual heroes
Literally every other game bases tiers on competitive play. Yes those top tier characters are the strongest even not in the common teams.

>>384572031
>>384572257
The point is that using tournament pick rates is a highly flawed tool if you want to determine the 'objective' balance level of a hero
When you put all these most picked heroes in a team, you get what is considered the strongest team composition. In that setting, these heroes are able to perform at the top level, because they synergize just right with all the other heroes to form the dive comp, and the ones that are not picked cannot perform at that level.
But what if you'd take current Winston out of the dive meta and put him into a meta that's highly focused on being defensive? He'd be trash, because suddenly his big advantages are not useful to the meta and its compositions, even though nothing about him or his numbers actually changed.
This is dependent in these heroes actually being played at their highest level. Dive comp in particular relies on callouts and teamwork, and if you don't have the required coordination its power tapers off hard.

The initial post the first anon responded to was talking about pure pub ladder play. Unless he's playing at the very top level, picking whgat the pros pick is of very little concern, because their picks are so dependent on the meta and the flawless coordination of their teams. Thus, telling him to "pick the right heroes" by pointing to a tournament pick rate graph is flawed.

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>>384562914

>>384555338
Once you get over the character designs and the reality of the shit gameplay overwhelms you then you'll be on the same page with the rest of us.

You <25 faggots cannot even play goty lol

>>384555573
teamwork isn't a skill.

>>384572596
>The point is that using tournament pick rates is a highly flawed tool if you want to determine the 'objective' balance level of a hero
which is what every other game including OW does. The only way you'd have a point is if the best heroes were hard to play or low tier ones had some good bullshit to catch people out. But the game is so shallow this really doesn't matter, every hero is easy and the good ones are the ones with good bullshit.

>put him into a meta
If you mean change the balance of the game then no fucking shit, otherwise you are wrong >>384564240 . He works in any given situation better than other characters. He is not suddenly worthless because of his teammates, the game isn't that deep. You could say he is not as effective but he is still the most effective member and the others are what brings the team down. Switching to a worse hero won't help as much as switching to a different top tier hero or the team mates changing. You have the whole thing backwards to make a stupid point.

>>384572596
>the flawless coordination of their teams.
>overwatch
>the flawless coordination
stop

>>384555338
It's one of the most popular games out right now, and isn't going anywhere for at least 5 years.

It's popular and massively succesful so the autists on /v/ hate it with a passion.

>>384555386
fpbp

>>384573118
>which is what every other game including OW does.
Not always, no. Many developers are highly aware of the meta-dependent pickrate issues when looking at balance, and will not kneejerk nerf or pick heroes based on pickrate alone.
>>>put him into a meta
>If you mean change the balance of the game
Should have used composition there, there doesn't need to be any changes to the numbers of the heroes
>He works in any given situation better than other characters.
That is a highly questionable statement considering the rockpaperscissor-like nature of this games' balance

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The only good thing that came from it are the waifus and the porn

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>>384555536
>instalocking 76 or pharah
>Solider 76 LITERALLY "Call of Duty: The Character"
>Pharah "im a flying floating solider who needs skill lmao pockey mercy :^) "
>may as well play any other game
kill yourself you cock sucking no skill faggot

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the community is fucking cancer. I think this game has more me ooga my team booga than fucking moba games

>>384569995
then do what every sane person already did back in season 1

quit

>>384573640
I regularly play with friends, so it's k.

>>384556147
this is the right answer

>>384555338
No. Just ignore alt-right pussies. They cry about literally everything.

TF2 was never a good game.

>>384557021
there is an amount of skill in ow
but anyone with a few hundred hours in tf2 will have a huge lead over everyone else because although there is skill involved, tf2's ceiling is alot higher

>>384557124
this
There is only one way to play ow, and thats how it's been designed
It works for an amount of time, but because of this, the game won't have a life span like tf2

>>384573256
It's the new CoD, but instead of being full of children, dudebros, and negros it's full of children, aspies, and people that dislike FPS games.

Had a guy using a controller in one of my comp games, his argument for it was that "the game's also on console, that means using a controller is fine". Shit really rustled me.

>>384573868
Some characters take skill, a lot don't. Lucio and Winston are top picks and the hardest thing to playing them well is movement and positioning, which is fairly easy.

Funny how this game has top tier characters that require 0 aim.

>>384573997
>It's the new CoD, but instead of being full of children, dudebros, and negros it's full of children, aspies
So, like every other competitive shooter that's out right now?

>Had a guy using a controller in one of my comp games, his argument for it was that "the game's also on console, that means using a controller is fine".
Get out of bronze then.

It's a good game but is overpriced for a game that make lots of money from loot boxes

>>384555338
Its a shitty Cash grab made by the Jewish overlords that only brainless waifufags and autists can enjoy

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>>384555338
It's fun to jump in and play every now and then, just don't play comp its a waste.