Beloved RPG games In Japan

File: 037.jpg (545KB, 1349x1920px) Image search: [Google]

545KB, 1349x1920px

Sasuga Jokaa

異物がいるな

>P3 more popular than P4

could have fucking fooled me, Atlus.

>>384542125
Only games on there that deserve a spot
>Dragon Quest III
>Chrono Trigge
>Final Fantasy VII
>Suikoden II
>Dragon Quest IV
>Final Fantasy VI
>EarthBound(Mother 2)
The rest do not deserve a position. Shit like nier automata wouldn't even make a list six months from now, it'll be forgotten by the normalfags.

SMT fans are literally on suicide watch

>>384543730
It's not my fault your taste aren't worth a dime.

File: 1482059075242.png (16KB, 259x224px) Image search: [Google]

16KB, 259x224px

>>384543841
>2 SMT games in the top 10
>SMT fans are literally on suicide watch

File: 1498814650648.gif (2MB, 256x192px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 256x192px

>>384542125
>Final Fantasy XV
>Final Fantasy VIII

>>384544919
I guess he meant SMT: IV and Nocturne fags.

>>384543730
>no DQ5
That deserves to go on that list more than 4.

>>384542125
>5.Final Fantasy VII
>16.Final Fantasy VI

VI fags absolutely BTFO

>>384542125

>Not a single Wild Arms entry

Just when I need more proof that the series will never come back.

>>384544919
Persona is not SMT. Persona 3 and 4 using that branding was a western thing which was dropped in later P4 spinoffs and never used for P5.

File: vomit.jpg (82KB, 680x680px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 680x680px

>>384542125
>10.Final Fantasy XV

>>384543730
What do you have against DQ5, anon?

>>384545873
>shitdom heart doesn't even make it to the list
GET FUCKING OWNED KHFAGS.

XV>>>>>YOUR MOM ASS>>>>>> SHIT>>>>>YOU>>>>>>KH

HAH

>>384546063
are you ok

>>384542125
none of these are RPGS

>>384546063
Yeah, Kingdom Hearts is pretty shit as well.

>>384546365
what is rpg?

>>384547031
Riding Penises is Gay

>>384542125
>FFXV is a beloved RPG game in Japan
Why do we care what these shit taste gooks think?

File: Dragon.Quest.V.full.868806.jpg (101KB, 850x637px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 850x637px

>>384545235
>>384546014
Sorry, I didn't see DQV, it definitely deserves a spot and is a phenomenal game.

File: 1402656751315.png (208KB, 327x316px) Image search: [Google]

208KB, 327x316px

>>384542125
>suddenly The Witcher

>>384547698
What makes it so special than other DQ aside from your nostalgia?

How come Japan doesn't appreciate good games like Nocturne?

File: 14a434ac28375bea447237822595.jpg (23KB, 310x310px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 310x310px

>>384542125
Nice to see FFXV so high up.

File: dis nigga for real.gif (1MB, 446x469px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 446x469px

>>384542125
Japanese people are weird, they can make some of the best games ever made, yet they have abysmal fucking taste
>20.The Witcher3: Wild Hunt

>>384542125
Where the fuck is Soulsborne?

>>384542125
P5 isn't that good and no way deserves the top spot.

>>384542125
Japan has good taste afterall.

>>384542125
Is Soulsborne not considered an RPG from them or is it not popular there?

File: p3Afraid.png (1MB, 1281x719px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1281x719px

>>384542125

>even Japan knows that P3 > P4

Cool.

File: 1498563032224.gif (3MB, 268x369px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 268x369px

>>384542125
>FFXV is the most beloved FF in Japan after FF7
Nice, well deserved. Eat shit all those faggots that tried to memepost Japan somehow didn't like it.

>>384548970
P3 was an overall more emotional experience for everyone who played it. I'm not surprised it ranked higher than P4 on a "most beloved" list.

>>384545873
stay triggered fag

>>384542125
>Persona 5 over Chrono Trigger
Fucking heretics! Heretics, I tell ya!

I see XV-kun is at full force today

>Suikoden II on the list
>No Suikoden I

What the fuck.

File: Quality.png (813KB, 839x648px) Image search: [Google]

813KB, 839x648px

>>384542125
>Dragon Quest 3
>No Dragon Quest 7
wtf

>>384549386
I see you're triggered Japan loves XV

>>384549710
Persona 5 and Nier: Automata

>>384542125
eh, ok.

>>384549386
>it's a lets call anyone who likes xv xv-kun episode.

>no SaGa
>no Metal max
>meme entries
As if I needed more proof famitsu and its readers are shit.
>>384549431
Japs are disgusting nostalgiafags. It's why they prefer the original DQ3 over its enhanced ports.

>FFXV
>FFVIII
>NieR 1

horrible

>>384542125
FFIX deserves to be much higher up but I am thankful to see Suikoden II at 7th.

Witcher 3's winning knows no bounds, even the Nips love it.

>>384549964
XV is the most beloved FF after VII

unreal recency bias

>>384542125
>nips have bad taste
Woah...who knew?

>>384548816
it's the most recent thing same as nier so of course it is freshest in their minds. Also it was a commentary on their culture so not surprised it had a greater impact on Japan. The director thought nobody in the west would care at all because it discussed Japanese politics, and makes a lot of hard allegories about the oppressiveness of their culture, the arrogance of elders to the younger generation, etc

>>384550260
as opposed to nostalgia bias

>>384542125
I see nips actually had a great taste after all.

>>384550353
it's easier to shift through shit that's been out for decades

>>384550324
I really need to play p5

>>384545439
Yeah I think it might be time to hang up the cowboy hat on that one. I loved Wild ARMs 3, I'd buy an HD or even standard rerelease on PS4.

>>384542125
And all of them are utter trash, even the only Western RPG on that list. It's literally impossible to have worse taste.

Also, the fact that Automata is on that list shows how much the cunt-eyed subhumans know about the genre.

>>384542125
>No soulsborne anywhere
Ahh so Nips are afraid of challenge then, considering every game here is piss easy.

File: 1270520742522.jpg (829KB, 708x1000px) Image search: [Google]

829KB, 708x1000px

>>384542125
>13.Xenogears

REMAKE WHEN???

I don't know how to interpret this

These people were definitely not nostalgia-fags, but some of the games that appear there seem like they're just on the list because they are new (like XV, or automata)

>>384549414
S2 did everything S1 did but better

>>384550447

WA3 was rereleased for digital download on PS4. I snagged that when it was uploaded

File: comfy smug loli bitchy.jpg (84KB, 681x682px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 681x682px

>>384550501
Are you absolutely assblasted knowing most people like games that you hated?

>>384550420
The first 5 hours are going to feel slow, but once you're further into the starter dungeon and they have less shit to stop and explain every ten feet the game really picks up, and it doesn't slow down until like five dungeons in, after which it picks up after that one.

File: k.png (148KB, 755x375px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 755x375px

>>384550156

>>384550539
I hope they keep the VN at the end if they remake it.

Hah there entry level pleb taste is just as bad as /v/.

File: confused negro.png (88KB, 300x256px) Image search: [Google]

88KB, 300x256px

>>384550697
>just as bad as /v/.
>/v/ hated the list
Are you in a denial?

File: 1402149489125.gif (3MB, 520x292px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 520x292px

>Gears and Suikoden on the list

I did not expect this

File: 1488558494066.png (350KB, 2468x2032px) Image search: [Google]

350KB, 2468x2032px

>>384550632
>most people
Most people don't play weeb trash, they play superior Western games. Western RPGs BTFO weeb trash even on the weeb machine itself, not to mention on any other platform.

>>384542125
P3>P4

good taste p4 niggers need to fuck off

File: cidneyface1.gif (2MB, 268x364px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 268x364px

>>384542125
good.

File: tumblr_okyz553NmJ1rv73x1o1_500.jpg (87KB, 500x625px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 500x625px

>>384548168
>nostalgia
>DQV
It wasn't released officially outside Japan until a couple years ago. I played the SFC version a year ago and loved it. Gameplay is fun with monster taming and fun dungeons and the story is lighthearted and charming. Not everything is nostalgis you fucking idiot.
>>384548327
Because Japs are fucking nostalgiafags and normalfags. Most are miserable and yearn for "the good ol days". Mobile gaming is huge there, I imagine most of the people who voted were normalfags who occasionally play videogames and voted using names alone.
>>384549431
See above. People get scared when seeing the length since it requires actual dedication.

>>384550792
You can hate another one's pleb taste yet be unaware that you too have pleb taste, despite both ones having different favourite and unfavourites.

File: 4f8.jpg (21KB, 338x358px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 338x358px

>>384542125
Would you please kindly delete this piece of fake news?

File: comfy smug loli bitch.jpg (167KB, 681x1361px) Image search: [Google]

167KB, 681x1361px

>>384550857
Apparently, not in Japan.

File: wrong.jpg (51KB, 600x641px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 600x641px

>>384542125
>10.Final Fantasy XV
>11.Xenoblade Chronicles

File: 1452351370212.jpg (46KB, 427x366px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 427x366px

>>384542125
>4.NieR Automata

Is that hack Taro going to kill himself now that he's mainstream?

File: waoh.png (42KB, 218x179px) Image search: [Google]

42KB, 218x179px

>nip list
>good taste

think that's a first

>>384550928
>People get scared when seeing the length since it requires actual dedication.
That contradict with the list.
Which contradict all of your post.

>>384551056
>Apparently, not in Japan.
I'm not arguing that subhumans with shit taste don't play superior Western games, I'm arguing that actual people outnumber the subhumans by a great margin and they play actually good games.

>>384550857
ffxv sold more than w3 did on PS4

>>384551247
>w3
Who the fuck cares about this garbage?

>>384551173
What game on there is over a hundred hours? Persona 5? It won due to how new it is, I imagine a year from now it will only be in the top 5, or even 10.

File: 1460401954185.png (343KB, 1024x1024px) Image search: [Google]

343KB, 1024x1024px

>>384551191
Yet you're got so assblasted mad that the "subhumans" having a "shit taste".
That's saying something.

I can understand how FF15 sold well, but do people really love it that much? Personally I found it to be a mess of a game and a big disappointment. I beat it and will likely never touch it ever again.

>>384551298
it's one of these "superior western games" that you're parading.

None of the below:

>Seiken Densetsu
>Romancing SaGa
>Star Ocean
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Phantasy Star Online

Japs have shit taste.

>>384551405
You're looking at a list with FFVIII and xenogears, Japs don't have actual taste.

File: 14848213781390.jpg (20KB, 351x351px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 351x351px

>>384551393
Being disgusted with animals rolling around in their own shit != being mad, but it's pretty fucking close.

>>384551341
But your said
>japs are fucking nostalgiafags
and
>Mobile gaming is huge there, I imagine most of the people who voted were normalfags who occasionally play videogames and voted using names alone.
>People get scared when seeing the length since it requires actual dedication.
Now you're saying different things.
Why are you contradicting what you're saying in every turn?

File: 475858c6-9431-4581-9cdb-5516573faab8.gif (2MB, 540x539px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 540x539px

>>384551405
Yes. People love the characters and tone. Noctis also got awarded best character in in Japanese game awards and his JP VA for best performance

>>384551468
>Star Ocean
I give you the other four but let's be honest, 2 was a fluke and the rest are garbage.

File: 1489739279451.jpg (103KB, 358x599px) Image search: [Google]

103KB, 358x599px

>>384551443
>potatoland trash
>Western game

File: 0qEnUIJ.png (108KB, 344x313px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 344x313px

>>384551517
>Being disgusted
>Proceed post about how taste their taste is, post an image about the list of selling games, and keep reminding mostly yourself how superior your taste is
I say, for being disgusted. You're pretty dedicated.

>>384551590
is ff9 a wrpg because it was made in Hawaii?

>>384551559
Japs are nostalgiafags in that they voted in brand name alone. They see "Dragon Quest" and "Final Fantasy" and vote on the brand name alone. Meanwhile most own maybe a 3ds and just game on their phone.

Listen, it's cute and all what you're doing but maybe stop. Mobile gaming is fuck huge in Japanese, maybe even more then other places.

>>384551584
SNES 1 was impressive for the time, at least.

>>384551567
>Noctis also got awarded best character in in Japanese game awards and his JP VA for best performance
Damn. I knew I was in the minority by not liking the game or Noctis, but I didn't think it was by that much. Maybe his jap VA did a much better job than the english VA.

>>384551745
It was, the voice samples and graphics are pretty impressive, but let's be honest and say as a game it was nothing special.

>>384543730
Yeah the usual v-core.

>>384551735
>Fuck I ran out of argument
>let's just stop
Kinda sad you can't even defend your own argument that you started yourself.

>>384551845
>dragon quest
>v-core
Nah. DQ threads rarely get posters and half the time it's people bashing the series.

>>384551729
Is Dark Souls a Western game, because it features Western medieval fantasy visual aesthetics?

>>384551849
I said it in my post, Japs vote on brand name alone and mostly only play phone game, retard.

>>384547909
underrated post

>>384551914
every dq and most ff has western medieval fantasty too

>>384551942
>Japs vote on brand name alone and mostly only play phone game, retard.
>please ignore my previous post already!
Yeah, sure whatever you say.

>>384552030
>every dq and most ff has western medieval fantasty too
OK, does that make them Western games then? Yes or no?

>>384552047
He's not wrong though.

>>384552159
no, how does that mean w3 isn't a wrpg?

>>384552240
There's no wrong and right if you contradicting everything you said.

>>384542920
「ある」の方がいいではないの?

>>384552329
YES OR NO, NIGGER? Are Dark Souls, Dragon Quest and FF Western games because they feature Western fantasy visual aesthetics and character designs?

>>384552453
did you even read what I said?

>>384552528
Yes or no?

>>384552553
Dude the post said no.

>>384542125
>Anything above Chrono Trigger.
I guess it's time for another bomb...

>>384552632
>Chrono Trigger is the best RPG
Maybe if it was longer and more challenging

>>384552586
OK, so Witcher 3 has nothing to do with Western games then? Gotcha, senpai.

>>384542125
the nier games seem pretty fuckin out of place

File: 1499401098221.jpg (11KB, 500x376px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 500x376px

>>384544994
>not liking VIII
I respect your right to have wrong opinions

File: 1478082185204.gif (2MB, 300x200px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 300x200px

>>384552782
Are you sure that you can speak English?

>>384542125
>2 franchises occupy 45% of the list
>other 2 franchises occupy 25% more
Just end this meme of an industry

>>384545439

>life is suffering

>>384553018
It's OK, I know being completely BTFO hurts, but you'll get over it, same way you got over your potatoland trash being irrelevant.

>>384552782
how?

>>384553321
Why do you think it does?

>>384553205
Poland is in europe and europe is part of the west, Witcher 3 is a WRPG. What the fuck else would it be?

>>384553373
How about you answer how first since I asked you first?

>>384553412
Russia is in Europe, so it's part of the West too?

>What the fuck else would it be?
Eastern European shithole.

>>384553524
>Russia is in Europe, so it's part of the West too?
Yes?

>>384553480
So you don't even have a reason why you think W3 is a WRPG? Why the fuck are you even participating in this discussion then?

File: 1500287524358.png (129KB, 314x278px) Image search: [Google]

129KB, 314x278px

>>384553524

File: Natalja is not amused.gif (2MB, 200x200px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 200x200px

>>384553670
Do the Russians know about this?

>>384553676
>still can't answer the question and keeps deflecting
I asked you first so answer how.

File: ONE MORE GOD REJECTED.png (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

Alright, to make this thread not entirely shitposts post your top five jrpgs and tell others why they have shitty taste of you want to.

No order:
Earthbound
Mother 3
Chrono Trigger
Breath of Fire IV
SMT: Nocturne

>>384551405
It panders to fujoshits, so it sells well. Just look at the success of anime like Free or Yuri on Ice. Of course that doesn't mean that it's any good.

>>384553776
I'm not going to give you reasons explaining why something is not a particular thing when you can't give me a single reason why you think it is.

File: IMG_20170720_145807.jpg (142KB, 1024x1024px) Image search: [Google]

142KB, 1024x1024px

>>384553836
It doesn't though, and XV had record high sales for the west showing XV appealed more to the west than other FFs too, despite your claims of "fujoshit pandering".

>>384551517
>being this disgusted by people playing video games you don't like
>fucking VIDEO GAMES

You need to be gassed.

>>384553967
I asked you first you double nigger

Is Dragon Quest 3 really that good of a game?

I've never played it.

>>384553818
Chrono Trigger
Mother 3
FFXV
FFVI
FFV

>>384554050
>asking why something is not a particular thing without giving a reason why you think it actually is
OK, let me ask you something: why do you think your mother is not a whore?

>>384554132
It's pretty damn good. Play the SNES version translated if you want better graphics and music, or play the GBC version if you want some extra post game content.

>>384554132
Honestly yeah, it's pretty damn good. Allows you to create a party and has some nonlinear sections making it pretty interesting. Play the sfc/snes remake with the fan translation, this is the absolute best version.

>>384553818
Phantasy Star IV
Final Fantasy VI
Fintal Fantasy VII
Chrono Trigger
SaGa Frontier

>>384554272
You really don't know what an onus is, do you.

I asked you first how isn't w3 a wrpg so the onus is on you to explain that. I don't have to argue anything until you've presented your argument because the onus is on you.

>>384554402
>SaGa Frontier
This a good starting place for SaGa? I have been a bit nervous to start one as I have heard if you fuck up your build in some of them it basically means you have to start over.

>>384553987
The main party is one big sausagefest of Japanese host look-a-likes. Yes, it does pander to fujoshits.

>XV had record high sales for the west
Because of the name, not because it's a good game.

>>384554459
I don't have to argue anything because you haven't given me a reason to, there's literally nothing to argue in the first place. Until you actually prove Witcher 3 is a WRPG, it's not, that's how proof works - you don't prove a negative.

>>384554132
It's not as good as IV or V Haven't played VII, VIII or IX, but it's still a very good game.

>>384553818
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VII
Persona 3
Final Fantasy IX
Dragon Quest IV

File: kingnoctis1.png (320KB, 756x948px) Image search: [Google]

320KB, 756x948px

>>384554562
No they aren't, they aren't any more pretty boy than your standard JRPG males, and they all age into their 30s in the time skip by which point Noctis looks like an actual man.

It sold because it was good, not because of the name. By your logic FF14 1.0 should never have tanked just because of the name, that also doesn't explain how XV had the highest opening sales ever for any FF in the US. Even after the decline in sales from the FFs from 2011 to 2015, XV broke sales records. It's because it was good, people had played the denos and liked it and so they bought the game because they liked what they had seen. You act like all that exists is a logo with just a name and that commercials and demos somehow don't exist showing people what the game is like.

>>384553752
Yes. I am Russian.

>>384554572
So you have no argument.

>>384554863
Nothing you say will change how things are you faggot subhuman. FFXV panders to fujoshits by delivering them host looking buttslaves, which is a fact and indicated by plenty of fujoshit fanart on pixiv. Ask any jap on 2ch or futaba and he'll eagerly tell you that FFXV panders to fujoshit. End of story, this is not a discussion.

>It sold because it was good, not because of the name.
But it's not a good game.

>highest opening sales
Opening sales mean shit because they happen BEFORE people can even tell whether a game is actually good or not. They are not an indicator of good quality gameplay but an indicator of good marketing.

File: 1500072688408.png (197KB, 286x368px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 286x368px

>>384554863
>i-it's good because it's popular, I s-swear!
I actually support this line of reasoning. Sales figures and concurrent player numbers are the only truly objective quality indicators, everything else is irrelevant, including the subjective opinions of retarded, literally who "critics" with exactly zero credentials.

>>384554972
Why would I? There's nothing to argue about. Witcher 3 is not a WRPG until someone actually proves so or at least gives a reason why he thinks it is.

>>384554929
No, you're not.

>>384555092
China and India have the highest population densities in the world so they must be the most amazing places to live in, right?

>>384554562
FF7 and 8 have even more host look alikes with cloud, reno, zack, Vincent, Sephiroth, squall, zell, irvine, Laguna etc

in XV there's only Noctis and Prompto and even then Noctis changes by the end and Prompto looks like young Verstael. All the other males in the game look like men from the get go and not hosts.

>>384555092
Under that premise modern pop music and shitty hollywood film is good and doesn't just pander to the lowest common denominator.

Sales can never be a good indicator of quality because half of the population is below average IQ and if you want lots of sales you need to make things agreeable with the borderline retarded.

>>384555172
I'm talking about popularity within a given genre, dumbfuck. If some game of a particular genre sells well relative to the previous games in the genre, it's good, because it means it has managed to capture the playerbase that likes this particular genre.

>>384553818
Ao no Kiseki
Sora no Kiseki SC
Breath of Fire IV
New Atelier Rorona
SMT Strange Journey

>>384555194
FFVIII is utter garbage as a game and plenty popular with fujoshits as well. FFVII already hinted at this trend but was not yet there. FFVII was the beginning of the end - it was still a good game but things have been set in motion. FFVIII was the true end of FF.

>>384553818
>>384554178
>>384554402
>>384554781
>>384555278
/v/ just proved itself that they're worse than nips

>>384555229
>Under that premise modern pop music and shitty hollywood film is good
Why do you think it isn't? Why do you think your shit opinion matters at all when there are millions of people who have subjective opinions of the same value as yours, yet think differently. You don't get to define what quality is with your retarded pseudo-elitist attitude, fucko.

File: nosleep.jpg (6KB, 184x184px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 184x184px

>>384555361
>It's a talks shit but too chicken to post their own list episode

>>384553818
xenoblade chronicles
chrono cross
final fantasy 8
nier
atelier ayesha

>>384547575
>RPG game
Why do we care what you think?

File: 80364c8b-c56f-4e72-92b1-1a0134fce6aa.png (91KB, 200x320px) Image search: [Google]

91KB, 200x320px

>>384555074
Says the faggot subhuman, it isn't at all, Noctis and Prompto are literally the only pretty boys in the entire game with "host like" hair which Cloud, Zack, Reno, Sephiroth and Vincent all have, along with Squall, Zell, Laguna and Irvine. I can find even more fujo artwork on pixiv and Japanese sites for 7 or 8 even 12 than for
15. You're literally in denial.

Where are these hosts that look like Gladio or Ignis, or Cor or Regis or Ardyn or Verstael? You are objectively wrong. Fuck you're even ignoring that Noctis himself is objectively the manliest looking FF protag to date in the time skip which is nothing like what you're trying to argue.

It is a good game and you're literally in denial.

Opening sales means everything because they show how much people were interested in buying it which XV had multiple demos so everyone already knew how it played and what characters were in the game as well as seeing that from all the trailers.

Again by your own fucking logic XIV should not have tanked. Fuck you're such a retarded cunt who has no fucking clue what you are even trying to say.

>>384553818
DQVIII
FFVII
CT
EB
Crystal

>>384555713
Ah fuck, XV-Kun is here.

Delete the thread.

>>384555379
Modern pop music is put together from the basic components that have proven to be agreeable with the masses in the past. To a certain extent this has always been the case with pop music and that does not make it bad per se, but it does make it less intricate. The same is true for any kind of popular film. These things are put together for the very purpose of selling to the masses. All of that is perfectly fine, but it shouldn't be surprising that people who are heavily involved in these media don't sing praises to things they've seen a million times before and which have no originality of their own. As video game enthusiasts I see no reason why I should praise crappy games simply because they sold well to people who mostly don't even like video games and cannot tell shit from quality entertainment.

>>384555791
>can't counter argument
>better spout xv-kun

>>384555916
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with.

I heard you're a chick, are you hot?

>>384555713
See >>384555321.

Also take your shit taste elsewhere XV-kun. FFVX is fujoshit pandering garbage with shit gameplay and you will die from aids for being a homo who plays that kind of shit.

>>384555993
No.

>>384556014
See >>384555713

You literally have no fucking argument and you were completely blown the fuck out. You're such a cunting fuck you literally wrecked yourself with your own retardation.

>>384554487
SaGa Frontier is the one I started with. I think it's a good starting place. You don't need to worry too much about messing up builds actually. The only thing I can think that would make you need to start over is there are some places you can't escape and if you save when you're unprepared it might get you stuck. For example, Lute's quest lets you go to the final dungeon almost immediately, but you won't be prepared if you go there and save right away. This mostly isn't a problem any more than other RPGs though.

Some characters are easier than others to start with. I think Red is a good one to try first.

File: ff1-ffxv.jpg (247KB, 741x493px) Image search: [Google]

247KB, 741x493px

>>384555321
FF had pretty boys since FF1 you tard, pretty boys in fantasy armor is still pretty boy.

>>384555713
>Noctis and Prompto are literally the only pretty boys in the entire game with "host like" hair
And Noctis happens to be the protagonist. Also, the others look like hosts too, so don't fool yourself. And if you think it doesn't make fujoshits wet pairing manlier guys with twinks then you must be out of your mind. FFXV is pure fujoshit pandering.

>which Cloud, Zack, Reno, Sephiroth and Vincent all have, along with Squall, Zell, Laguna and Irvine.
All from shit games.

>Opening sales means everything because they show how much people were interested in buying it
Again: opening sales mean nothing because most people don't play demos and don't watch trailers. The people who follow gaming related media are a minority. Opening sales literally only indicate good marketing, nothing more.

>>384554487
Also, most of the decisions about character builds aren't permanent, so you can start learning another skill type if you change your mind later. The exception is the magic, where you can't master magic from opposing schools. For example, you can't learn both Light and Shadow magic. However, whichever kinds of magic you choose will be good enough to make it through the game.

>>384548816
>P5 isn't that good and no way deserves the top spot.
It's recent-ish. That means it'll shoot all the way to the top.

Just look at their popularity charts for anime or video game characters and shit. Top one is always the FotM.

>>384556263
>implying remakes count
>implying that's what the characters looked like in-game
>implying Japanese concept art was included in western releases
Kill yourself.

>>384556123
Except for your complete argument being destroyed.

Face it: you're a faggot for liking FFXV and in most parts of the world you would be rightfully beaten to death for being such a degenerate.

File: 18a9fc0d-1868-4844-907c-2f7e4460eea8.jpg (151KB, 872x872px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 872x872px

>>384556335
And Noctis looks nothing different than what every male FF protag is because they're all pretty boys, and in the time skip Noctis looks like a man making him the only FF protag to look like a man. Please show me these hosts that look like Gladio or Cor or Regis or Ardyn or Verstael etc.

Most people do play demos and watch trailers which is how they are informed about the game to begin with you fuck. XV had over 1 years worth of public demo and constant demos at every event, plus a ton of trailers and media coverage showing people the game. Even just looking at the cover shows you the characters in the game which according to you no one in the west would like, yet XV sold more in the west at opening sales than any other FF ever, and then also becoming the highest selling FF worldwide ever and also had stores requesting more units which SE sent out an additional 1m only 1 month after launch.

Fuck you are so retarded. Again by your own fucking logic XIV should not have tanked because it is also FF name.

>>384556702
If you think that picture is not gay as fuck and that you're not a major faggot for having pictures like that on your computer you must be out of your mind.

>>384551812
Ray Chase did a decent job but the only English VA that really fits the bill is Darin De Paul with Ardyn, heck he's even better than the Japanese VA.

If you filter out the usual Japanese "It's new, so it's great!" it's actually a pretty decent list.

>>384542125
>Witcher 3

Witcher 3 confirmed for best western game ever

>>384556451
Yes they do. Warrior of light looked even more faggy in the amano art as did the other characters. Maybe you should kill yourself first.

>>384556502
You literally got destroyed on evey point then backpedaled while spouting bullshit straight from your ass because you're a turbo faggot projecting your homosexual insecurities so fucking hard. Again by your own fucking logic XIV should not have tanked. By your own fucking logic MGSV is also fujoshit pandering

>>384556834
This. But then again, if they really really, like the game, it'll stick for quite sometime. I still can't believe how long Kira Yamato held the title for the best male anime character. Fucking nips and their normie taste.

>>384555837
That's a very nice opinion you have, too bad it's no more valuable than the opinion of a random bumblefuck off the street who listens to Gaga or Bieber. Get off your fucking high horse, nigger.

>>384556767
So not only are you gay as fuck but you're projecting too. My sides. Again where are the hosts that look like Gladio or Cor or Regis or Ardyn or Verstael etc?

>>384556930
>You literally got destroyed on evey point
What you dumb nigger don't get is that your pictures alone prove you wrong. >>384556702 is fujoshit pandering garbage and you're a faggot for liking it. There is literally no way around this.

>homosexual insecurities
That's literally a faggot argument to normalise their degeneracy: they claim anyone who takes issue with their faggotry must be a closet homosexual.

>again by your own fucking logic XIV should not have tanked.
Whether a game succeeds or fails depends on various factors. FFXIV wasn't marketed as well, it came out at a fairly bad spot while FFXV came out when people had little else to play, and it was a different genre.

>By your own fucking logic MGSV is also fujoshit pandering
I haven't played MGSV but MGS has always had a fujoshit following.


In any case, nothing you say will discredit a fact. You are a subhuman whose mind is clouded by gay lusts for cock and semen. You cannot think straight and see the obvious in front of you: that you're liking a badly designed shit game, because underneath the facade of faggotry, FFXV is plain shit. Sorry to tell you that XV-kun, but that's how it is.

>>384542125
1.Sensei waifubait
2. Toriyama bait
3. Toriyama bait
4. Waifu/shipper/ssbait
5. Cloud/tifa bait
6. Toriyama bait
7. Classic
8. Classic
9. Waifubait
10. Fujobait

11. Mecha/waifu bait
12. Japan do love X
13. Mechbait
14. P4 is better
15. Toriyama bait
16. Actual good FF
17. Shotabait
18. Furrybait
19. Fujo/shippingbait
20. An actual good game

>>384557410
>Witcher
>not waifubait
>any good

>>384557151
Some opinions are backed by facts and reason, some are just that: opinions. A reasonable person can tell one from the other and values the substantiated opinions more because there is something to gain from them. In that regard: no, not all opinions have equal worth. Not intrinsic worth but societal worth - which is the only kind of value there is.

>>384557249
May I remind you that you are the one liking fujoshit pandering garbage, XV-kun? That makes you the butt-pirate.

File: 1398474585209.jpg (26KB, 358x354px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 358x354px

>>384542125
>weekly shillmitsu

Not a bad list desu

The fact that the witcher 3 made it on there is astonishing

>>384557572
>Some opinions are backed by facts and reason
No, they aren't. When an opinion is backed by a fact, it's called an argument. You don't have an argument, you have your irrelevant opinion and nothing more.

>>384557928
>You don't have an argument
What is >>384555837, then? How about you tell me where the flaw in my line of reasoning is?

If you're unable to do that then I fear you just got told on the internet.

Not to mention: an opinion is seemingly irrelevant here (not entirely irrelevant given that it is read by multiple people and therefore provides the opportunity to affect their future reasoning) but the critics you dismissed earlier have societal impact through their publishing channels and their opinion is considered worthwhile by society itself.

File: C9d1rJdVoAEeIH0.jpg large.jpgj.jpg (281KB, 1583x2048px) Image search: [Google]

281KB, 1583x2048px

>>384542125
Based XV.

>>384556767
Holy crap man can you be any more BTFO?

>>384558224
>What is >>384555837, then?
Your shit, irrelevant opinion, nothing more. Shitting out a lot of words does not turn your verbal diarrhea into an argument.

>critics you dismissed earlier have societal impact through their publishing channels and their opinion is considered worthwhile by society itself.
Prove it. Prove that "critics" have "societal impact" because people actually respect their opinions, not because they are simply marketing tools that raise awareness about the existence of a certain product.

File: 1403529800005.jpg (392KB, 1200x1600px) Image search: [Google]

392KB, 1200x1600px

>>384542125
>that list
The game aren't even that bad. They deserved that place.

File: Cor-EG2.png (1MB, 828x1080px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 828x1080px

>>384557304
>What you dumb nigger don't get is that your pictures alone prove you wrong.
But the pictures alone all prove you wrong.

How is that "fujoshit" any more than MGSV is? Are you retarded? You have absolutely no fucking argument and are just talking out of your ass.

>That's literally a faggot argument to normalise their degeneracy
Says the faggot projecting his homosexual insecurities.

>Whether a game succeeds or fails depends on various factors
You literally just fucking said XV only did well because of the FF name, yet now suddenly the FF name means nothing on the FF game that came right before XV?

>FFXIV wasn't marketed as well
The fuck, yes it was, FFXIV tanked because it was a piece of shit, it had a ton of marketing and advertisement as well as a bunch of beta and places for people to test it before hand. XV came out after having multiple demos and bunch of advertisement too and it sold well because people loved the characters, they liked the gameplay which they got a taste of from the demos and they liked the game because it was good, which is why it kept selling and why SE sent out an additional 1m units a month after the game launched because stores were running out of the initial 5m that SE sent out.

Jesus christ you are literally talking out of yoru ass.

>but MGS has always had a fujoshit following.
Jesus christ you are just wrecking yourself every time you post. By your own fucking logic every FF is fujo, and XV is not any more fujo than any other FF before it.

You have already been throuhgly discredited for not only talking out of your ass but your own logic has contradicted your argument and you have destroyed yourself, alongside being fucking destroyed with visual evidence and hard facts pertaining to the games that you are ignoring because they don't align with the bullshit you are trying to spout. You are a subhuman gutter trash cunting thunderfaggot who has been completely destroyed on every level while you project your faggotry.

File: 1439519242099.png (214KB, 472x357px) Image search: [Google]

214KB, 472x357px

>it's another xv-kun doesn't just admit he's gay episode

>>384558760
>Your shit, irrelevant opinion, nothing more. Shitting out a lot of words does not turn your verbal diarrhea into an argument.
Given that you cannot find proper counter-arguments it just means you got told. You were either not smart enough to come out with a proper response - or you're simply wrong. Either way, insulting people does not make getting told go away.

>Prove it. Prove that "critics" have "societal impact" because people actually respect their opinions, not because they are simply marketing tools that raise awareness about the existence of a certain product.
When it comes to video games? Not so much. When it comes to literature and film? There certainly are authorities whose opinion has well value - most of all for the academic discourse. Societal impact does not necessarily mean that suddenly everyone starts watching that obscure French art house film instead of Michael Bay's new work, but the socio-historical reception is definitely affected. Even if the latter turns out more successful monetarily, the former might end up more lasting, more cited, more remembered and more highly valued by society as a whole, simply because those who are authorities speak up in its favour.
The argument that every opinion is equal is a non-argument because it is plain apparent: there is no intrinsic value to anything. My opinion is as good as yours if taken out of its societal context. Value is only attributed to it within the societal context. Others look at it and rate it. They might end up taking my side because my argument is more convincing. Those who again and again provide reasonable arguments and gather a following become critics, and if they are sanctified by academia, they will find their way into the public consciousness. For video games there are no such authorities yet, but in time someone might appear who brings a proper academic discourse into video game criticism.

>>384559090
>>>/y/

Stop posting your faggot pictures here, XV-kun, and take your fujoshit pandering garbage outside.

>>384559268
>it's another faggot gets BTFO then spends the rest of the thread trying to pretend you are gay for liking FF or MGS

>>384559531
Hey maybe you should visit the link you posted since you clearly have it at the ready, you got completely and utterly fucking blown the fuck out you cunting faggot. It's fucking hilarious how you literally have no argument and the one thing you tried to argue contradicted the very thing you tried to argue, thus no argument. Fuck off you faggot, if XV is fujo pandering then every JRPG ever is fujo pandering.

>>384559414
>counter-arguments
I would need an actual argument to counter for that.

>Societal impact does not necessarily mean that suddenly everyone starts watching that obscure French art house film
So the critics don't have any actual "societal impact" and their opinions are completely irrelevant to most people apart from several pseudo-elitist "academic" cucks? OK.

File: Locke 2.jpg (96KB, 491x1000px) Image search: [Google]

96KB, 491x1000px

>>384559531
are you seriously still trying?

>>384559090
>But the pictures alone all prove you wrong.
Why would it? Do you think all fujoshits like are twinks? You're wrong. FFXV has a large fujoshit following and with its male only party it heavily panders to them.

>did well because of the FF name
That's one factor, but not the exclusive one. Use your head.

>FFXIV tanked because it was a piece of shit
But FFXV was shit as well. Clearly you didn't consider this.

>By your own fucking logic every FF is fujo, and XV is not any more fujo than any other FF before it.
No. FFXV had a male only party and in terms of art direction, dressing up all the characters like hosts, providing all kinds of fujoshit pandering archetypes like you can find them in a 90s boy band ("the dark, brooding guy", "the quirky twink", "the macho", ...) it pandered much more heavily to a female audience than any FF before. FFVIII came pretty close, but it's also one of the worst FF ever made. If you cannot see this it means you don't want to see it because you're too much of a faggot.

>>384559730
Shitty concept art means nothing when the game itself looks fundamentally different.

>>384559694
>I would need an actual argument to counter for that.
You were given arguments. I told you specifically why modern pop music and most popular Hollywood film is not regarded highly by critics; namely because it is pieced together from basic components that were seen a million times before that have proven to be resonated with large audiences. When it comes to ingenuity and intricacy however there is very little to be found there, which is why to an enthusiast audience it is simply boring. The same applies to plenty of games that resonate with the masses. Take the Call of Duty series as an example - to make it /v/ related.

This is the argument and if you have nothing in response to that, then you got told.

>So the critics don't have any actual "societal impact" and their opinions are completely irrelevant to most people apart from several pseudo-elitist "academic" cucks
I specifically told you about their impact: success at the box offices is momentarily. Academic reception is lasting.

>>384558660
I know you're trying to sell copies, chink shill, but did you realize that 'based' is completely not a word that anyone uses anymore? Tell your supervisor.

File: 1466954243120.png (1MB, 750x1334px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 750x1334px

Color me surprised, didn't know nips good good taste.

>>384560110
>You were given arguments.
Your shit opinion is not an argument and don't post this large dumps of verbal diarrhea, I'm not going to read more than one line of each paragraph of your post.

>I told you specifically why modern pop music and most popular Hollywood film is not regarded highly by critics
If those critics cannot influence the society to turn away from such music (and they absolutely can't), then they have no "social impact" and their opinions are worth no more than the opinions of some random bumblefuck off the street.

>success at the box offices is momentarily. Academic reception is lasting.
Academic reception nobody gives a fuck about? If that academic reception does not drive people to watch certain movies, and it doesn't (with capeshit being the best recent example), then it is worthless, which is example the case for the overwhelming majority of people.

I want Suikoden to come back.

>>384561042
>which is example the case
*which is exactly the case

>>384553818
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy X
Dragon Quest 8
Earthbound
Bravely Default

>>384561046
I know that feel.

I wish Konami would just sell their video game IPs so we can start getting Silent Hill, Castlevania and Suikoden games again but their cunts so it won't happen.

File: Locke 4.jpg (357KB, 1175x762px) Image search: [Google]

357KB, 1175x762px

>>384559896
>concept art
>he doesn't know that is official promo art
>he doesn't know that the game literally uses amano art as the in game portaits and was used in advertising for the game
By your logic I can just post sprite art of FFXV characters instead because the game uses sprites for them too.

>>384542125
>no lufia 2 for snes
>all these modern shitty "rpgs"
>witcher fucking 3 for no reason
>final fantasy 10


i literally want to die

fucking gross. its obvious even japan is shit when it comes to vidya now. its like some 17 year old weeb made that list and accidently put witcher 3 at the last spot somehow.

persona fucking 5? fuck you

File: FFthen-ff-now-3.jpg (893KB, 2793x1166px) Image search: [Google]

893KB, 2793x1166px

>>384559806
>Why would it?
Because it literally proves that Noctis is not only the most manly looking FF protag to date but that you are in fucking denial while ignoring that every single male FF protag has been a pretty boy and that every single FF has fujoshit following, with XV not having anymore than any other FF.

>That's one factor, but not the exclusive one. Use your head.
You literally said XV only did well because it was FF name, stop backpedaling you vapid cunt.

>But FFXV was shit as well. Clearly you didn't consider this.
XV has more GOTY awards than any other FF, it also is Sakaughi's GOTY too, meanwhile SE literally had to fucking apologize for how bad FF14 was because of how bad it is, meanwhile SE reported that XV did so well that it boosted their HD game profits for the fiscal year.

>FFXV had a male only party and in terms of art direction
First of all females do join the party, second of all none of them are dressed like hosts, third of all every fucking FF protag to date has been a pretty boy with Noctis not any different than what the older FFs did, fourthly there is only two pretty boys in the entire game and by the end Noctis looks like a man, fifth of all you literally fucking dress Cloud up as a girl in 7 while in XV Noctis is already dressed in clothes for males included the suit his father wears as king. You literally just described the Ninja Turtles. XV doesn't "pander" to females any more than any other FF did. Not only are you insanely fucking retarded but you literally have no fucking argument at all.

File: aranea.gif (2MB, 500x512px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 500x512px

>>384560256
I know you're a faggot in denial because XV has better girls in it than any piece of shit western game ever made, despite being predominately male cast, but did you realize that based is still a valid word and that you are a complete faggot?

File: 71f3027d0c25b72f39bd688d13134866-1200-80.png (728KB, 1200x675px) Image search: [Google]

728KB, 1200x675px

>Suikoden 2

>>384562014
It's valid as much as you want. Doesn't mean that it's 'cool' or 'in'. Seriously, let your supervisor know. You might get a raise.

>>384561042
>Your shit opinion is not an argument and don't post this large dumps of verbal diarrhea, I'm not going to read more than one line of each paragraph of your post.
That only means that you're unable to respond in a fitting manner, which only proves point: you got told. Admitting it is only a formality, facts don't change. And if you have nothing further to add there's no point for me to reply any longer since there does not come any opposition from your side any more. There is only a little man on the other side of the internet who says "you're wrong" in face of arguments he cannot disprove.

>If those critics cannot influence the society to turn away from such music (and they absolutely can't), then they have no "social impact"
That's a faulty argument because it relies on re-defining what "societal impact" means. Societal impact does not mean swaying momentary tastes and customs but it means finding ones place in the annals of humanity. And the reasoning was given: one is temporary, the other is lasting.

>Academic reception nobody gives a fuck about?
What you're missing is that these are the opinions that last as they have been written down, collected and put through academic discourse. That's what differentiates them from the word on the street.

>then it is worthless, which is example the case for the overwhelming majority of people.
Again: worth is not an intrinsic property of anything. Anything is equally valuable or worthless on its own. Only within the societal reception it is given worth. And what you're talking about is not a numbers game since the overwhelming majority of people might allow you to make money, but it's not going to give you recognition from those who matter.

>>384562218
>westaboofaggot in denial because he is mad people used based in a valid way