Memes aside, this is possibly the best video game ever created.

Yes it is

until MyM ruined everything.

>Meet Your Match update

You couldn't be more wrong, even if you tried.

>>384530675
Certainly the best multiplayer FPS.
>b-b-b-b--but muh quake, muh 1.6

They're shit in comparison to prime TF2.

>>384530675
>tfw playing tf2 for the first time in 2007
You had to be there

>>384530675

Yeah, basically

Couple shitty updates, but that what happens with any came with constant support

>>384531112
heck make it pre-MyM TF2

>>384531134
had so much fun playing the beta. I will never recapture that moment

>>384530675
Not even a top 5 multiplayer fps

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>>384530675
Yeah but people ruined it

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>>384530675
this would be true if it weren't for this game.

>>384531193
I don't know about the best, but definitely the most

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>>384530675
Best multiplayer for sure.

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>>384531321
What are the top 5 multiplayer FPS games then?

>>384531887
>only 40,000 players now

Tf2 will never recover. It's only going to get worse from here

>>384531426
>babbies first diversity quota: the game
lmao

>>384532003
>Last 4 characters they added
>An egyptian
>A mexican
>A robot built by an African
>Another African

Adding characters for the sake of diversity makes the roster look dumb as fuck

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>>384531982
>ten year old game with 40000 regular players
I'm not really sure what you expect

>>384531887
CS 1.6
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Tribes 2
Unreal Tournament 2003
Squad

TF2 might make 7-8

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>haven't played in over 2 years
>decide to reinstall and try out vanilla servers
>the only vanilla servers that get any players are either brazilian 24/7 2fort or furry
>reuninstall

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>>384532392
>squad
>UT2k3
LOL

>>384532506
thanks, forgot to add LoL to the list.

>>384530675
Why is it so popular with the autistic? I'm not even kidding, I work with autistic middle school kids and the overwhelming majority of the boys love it.

>>384532732
what games aren't popular with autistic people?

>>384532858
By popular I mean these kids are constantly talking about it, spewing the memes, own merch, etc.

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>>384531086
This. Once they optimized this for "competitive" and made it an overwatch clone UI the game was perfect.

>>384531134
fuck. so sick of hats and friendlies and all that trash. i'm an uber update shitter and i get envious when i hear people go on about the good ol days in 09 and shit.

it was the greatest fucking game of all time before it went f2p. then it became the worst

>>384532308

>characters/lore are from all over the world
>Thinking it's forced diversity

k

>>384534757
Wrong, I don't think it. I KNOW that it's forced diversity, and everyone who plays the game understands this, it's blatantly obvious.

>>384534919
>not liking brown girls.

what's wrong with you?

>>384530675
le funny accent game xD

>>384534919
It doesn't take place in a specific place in the world, so most characters aren't going to be white.

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It's got a lot of issues, although I love the game. I think this video is a good summary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UiVtTR4aMY

>>384535019
nothing
he as good taste
brown girls are ugly

>>384530675
In it's prime? Sure

Now? debatable, it would be so much better if it had an actual development team behind it.

>2017
>Still havnt updated MvM since 2013
>Only maps anyone ever plays is 2cities

Why cant mvm get new content? Its fun but too easy

>>384537745
didn't make enough money or old TF2 team is working on DOTA2/CSGO

>>384532732
This, what the fuck?

>>384538181
>>384532732

Because the vast majority of gamers are autistic

>>384532949
the TF2 mercs are fun and well written for the most part.

>>384532732
Valve's target audience

reminder that there are 2007 servers that have hats and possibly some newer weapons disabled, so stop complaining about muh glory days and just find one of those servers

>>384532732
Chlidish and cartoony looks.

>>384535896
How can you tolerate Funke's annoying nasally voice?

>>384539528
turn on subtitles

>>384530675
Couldn't agree more.
>>384530992
>>384531086
most of the problems from MyM have been fixed now. If you seriously think MyM made even a dent in the overall quality of TF2, you're either retarded or haven't played since release.

>>384539528
I've heard worse over the years, including squeakers

>>384531982
You do realize that we're at the lowest point of the update drought?

Easily. Nine years spent meticulously analyzing every aspect of game development, they did basically everything right. The art style, the character models, the map layouts, the simple loadouts, everything they mention in the commentary shows how much attention to detail they paid.

A few stupid hats will never obscure this game's beauty.

>>384540390
NO DUDE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, 1% OF PLAYERS OWN AND WEAR GROTESQUE COSMETICS which can be modded out, THEREFORE THE GAME IS LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE

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>>384531426
No one on /v/ is buying your bait, faggot.

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How do we make him viable for competitive?

>>384540705
The spy by virtue of his nature as a saboteur and surgical picker is already at a disadvantage in 6s, when the opposing team only has 6 players, will be constantly coordinating their movements, and all six of your usual competitive team will be infinitely more mobile than the Spy.

You can't really make him viable without totally destroying the fundamentals of the spy. Your real best bet is that everybody on the opposing team is so complacent with your standard 2 Scouts/2Soldiers/1Demo/1Medic loadout they don't expect a spy in the middle of the skirmishes, which gives you exactly one chance to make one very surgical strike and will be killed as soon as you make the play.

And once the enemy team knows a spy is in play, it will never work again. But if you deny the enemy even just one uber, or even just their medic for some length of time, that is absolutely invaluable.

The game was balanced for 12 vs 12 brawls, not 6 vs 6 skirmishes. Trying to balance around a mode where its most serious players are already placing heavy restrictions in terms of weapons, etc. is just retarded.

>>384540705
You can't.

>>384540683
5 million people bought it.

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>>384542417
>on /v/
Learn to read, shitface.

>>384533350

checked

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>>384542513
You dumb cunt, explain to me why every tf2 streamer are now playing Overwatch?

>>384542871

Overwatch videos get more views.

More views = more money

This isn't some miraculous discovery, this is basic goddamn economics

>>384542871
>e-celebs
Who cares

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>>384539528
He's not a brit or a wannabe brit, so I can deal with him, and he makes pretty good points.

plus he posted on /tf2g/ for a bit before I showed up, so he's got a little more respect from me

>>384542871
>every tf2 streamer
Tagg's played it for like a minute when star_ invited him, and b4nny and the rest of ESEA still religiously play TF2.
Only other games b4nny's been shown to play on stream was CSGO and Quake (2017) and that was about 2 days ago

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>>384542417
I chalk it up to waifus

I never even played the game but I love the r34

>>384542871
>nuValve is retarded
Wow hot opinion there, surely no one in this thread would agree with you. Are you arguing just to hear yourself type?

>>384543074
>b4nny

I've never seen someone take TF2 so fucking seriously like this guy.

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>>384542871
Cause it has a better viewership and is updated more often, but you're fucking delusional if you think they moved on because overwatch is fundamentally better.

>>384530925
Yes, it WAS*

>>384543435
Why would more people be watching a worse game?

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>>384542871
Because it's a fad, which is already dying out.

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>>384543985
Why do more people play bad games than good ones?

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I didn't come into a TF2 thread to read about fucking Overwatch.

>>384543985
Why is CoD popular?

>>384540705
can't if sniper exists

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I stopped playing for good since since Gun Mettle but I've heard it's gotten even worse. Has it improved at all?
I just want to re live those days where I played the shit out of it loving it every second.

>>384544530
wait for the pyro update. The game is in a much worse state now

>>384544530
yeah its fun but quickplay is dead and replaced with casual. No autobalance or switching teams in valve servers.

>>384530675

It was my favorite...

>>384543985
Because it's the new hot shit
Hell, most kids probably don't even know what TF2 is

>>384530675
it created a genre so yes it will be immortalized like doom and super mario.

>>384544530
>>384530675

Honestly, the game is the same as it always has been. I hate how everyone insists that its been ruined, when the core elements of the game are still strong. The cosmetics dont matter, the server browser is still there, the sidegrades are hardly used and have been around forever. The only thing that has REALLY changed is the community, and lets face it, it was never that good anyways, and its not much worse now.
People who claim its changed dramatically have mostly likely just changed themselves.

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>mfw after all these years can still boot up tf2 drop into a game and have fun

There have been people saying TF2 is dead from the beginning. People that bitch about every little update and balance change. But I'll be damned if TF2 isn't a fundamentally good game that still feels great to play.

>>384530675
>Memes aside
Great game, but it was a meme game from day 1.

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>>384530675
I've been playing this shit since 2007 or so. I still come back every few months for about a week to play the new mods, or just have fun.

The only other game to ever do that is Deus Ex.

I played other team based shooters (Overwatch, Monday Night Combat, etc.) and it just doesn't do it for me.

The mix of TF2 humor, gameplay and (up until the great brony invasion of 2011) the community. I still play every once in a while on community servers. It just doesn't get old.

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>>384544204
For perspective, COD4 came out in 2007, the same year as Team Fortress 2, literally a month after.

In the 90s, at the dawn of the FPS genre, every multiplayer FPS of note was basically an arena shooter, with the odd tactical ensemble like Rainbow Six, the mod that would become Counter-Strike, etc. also coming around. We also saw Goldeneye popularize the FPS genre on consoles, quickly becoming one of the best selling in the genre.

Then Halo came and killed the arena, and at this point for the first half of the '00s we were inundated with scifi shooters that all played the same, and WW2 shooters.

And here comes COD, ditching WW2 for a cinematic 21st century setting. Tight, fast controls and 2 gun/regen health make it more palatable and accessible than Counter-Strike. The game constantly vomits progression at you. Kill someone? Points. Assist? Points. End of the match? Watch your experience bar go up. Level up? You got a new gun! Customize your shit.

It's like a dark mirror of TF2. It broke the mold and did a lot of things right.

>>384546628
and yet here we are. CS's core gamplay having stayed the same for nearly two decades is still the top 10 games played

>>384547063
Sure, just because people have been reinventing the wheel doesn't mean vulcanized rubber isn't still getting the job done.

But Counter-Strike's continued dominance as the most popular FPS of all time is a story for another day.

>>384540705
>reduce decloak time to somewhere between 1.5 to 1 second
>give the decloak sound the same max distance as the Dead Ringer
There he is viable now.

>>384547230
I'll tell that story.

It's a containment zone for Europoor tryhards. I'm glad it exists.

>>384530675
Say what you want about TF2. But you know how it said "the most fun you can have online" for its F2P announcement?

Well, they weren't lying. At least for me.

>>384530675
I couldn't get into it. It looked really fun and I was hyped to play it, but when I did....something didn't click. Idk if it was the controls or what, but I just couldn't get into it.

>>384540705
Disguising as the scout gives you his mobility
This may have an unintended side effect of making the class incredibly overpowered

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Get in here and post your fav class and why you like it

>>384530675
I haven't had as much fun in any other multiplayer game as I did in TF2 in its prime. I don't think multiplayer and singleplayer games should be rated against one another, but as far as multiplayer goes I'd say it's my all time favorite.

>>384543074
>that spoiler
I'm not the least bit surprised.

Sadly all the community servers are dead now

>>384530675
So TF2 came out AFTER World of Warcraft and all of the servers are dead while WoW is still going. Yet TF2 could "possibly" be the greatest game of all time.

Great logic OP.

>>384548587
t-thanks gabe

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>>384548343
I like all of them for their own reasons, I can't even say I have a least favorite; more appropriate would be for me to say I have a least preferred, being sniper.
Hybridknight is fun as fuck, FaNing Unstoppable scouts is hilarious, detonator pyro is always great for a laugh, soldier is fun to jump around with and pubstomp, you can run into a lot of ridiculous scenarios as spy, Heavy is fun to run around and smack people in the face with your fists, Gunslinger engineer is fun for being an annoying but effective shit, and for some reason healing people is satisfying for me in games in a bit of a necromancer way. This game is kind of like Warhammer 40K in that there's always something that fits whatever mood you're in.

>>384548795
i like you alot

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>in an mge as soldier against some faggot demo player
>literally all he does is spam stickies into the air to prevent me from jumping him
>winning 18 to 16
>right as i frag him for the eighteenth point he switches to direct hit reserve shooter soldier
>he ends up winning with his cheese mge strats
>lol kid you're so bad haha you'd never beat me
>i ask him if he switches to direct hit reserve shooter every time he starts losing
>ignores me and continues sucking his own dick
it's kind of sad that winning matters this much to some people

>>384548587
furrypound are the only servers that aren't 100% crit or randomizer or x10 and they have map rotations unlike skial

>>384549584
>DH & Reserve Shooter
How to spot a shitter 101. Direct Hit and LNL are for fags who can't aim with projectiles but don't want to use hitscan.
If that guy were any good, he'd have been able to land a couple pipes on you midair

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>>384548343
DEMOMAN
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>>384542417
blizzard could market a literal pile of shit and 5 million people would still buy it

oh wait they did

It's definitely one of the best ever made. It never gets old or boring, whereas tons of games I'm done with after several hours.

>tfw no TF2 rewritten

When do you guys think it all started going downhill, I'd say f2p marked the beginning of the end

>>384549723
have to add, he actually did start using the loch n load halfway through the mge match, but couldn't hit shit with it

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>>384549862
Like fucking pottery

>>384530675
Given it's an online game, the experience is dependent on the playerbase. Is TF2 still the best game all these years later?

>>384531112
I feel like had TF2 been designed like those games, that is with a definite end point to balance and new weapons and such, instead of designed with continual updates in mind it would've better off.

>>384549723
>direct hit
>for people who can't aim

nigga what? you HAVE to hit with that one to do damage

>>384550598
are you bad at aiming, retarded or both
it's literally airshot training wheels for people who cant aim with stock

>>384545128
yeah, I can't say i've joined one match where I didn't have at least some match unless i join a casual server where the only open slots are on a team that is being steamrolled

>>384531982
>>384531982

>49.6k players

This motherfucker rounds DOWN to 40k.

>>384550598
Have you ever seen a direct hit used in a pub

>>384531112
Yeah no, fuck off underage.
CS 1.6 in ITS prime was incredible.
Quake 3 in it's prime the same.
Hell, even the Unreal games.
Just because it was your first real online FPS experience doesn't mean it's the best, sweetie

>>384550598
>you HAVE to hit with that one to do damage

last I checked you had to hit with most weapons to do damage

>>384550598
At close range its practically hitscan only it uses the projectile collision box.

>>384548587
I'll take any community server that doesn't have a fucking points system/shop. The most annoying thing I encountered in community servers is people being able to switch colors but still be on the opposite teams.

>>384531982

Name another game that old with 50,000 (not 40,000 learn to round) concurrent players?

>>384551308
I can only think of WoW, to be honest.

>>384539079
They won't ever do that. Its usually the same circle jerk in every thread, I scroll through looking for those occasional few informative posts

>>384531982
For the past few years, TF2 has been on a very slow downward trend. It ebbs and flows, but never picks up fully to what it was. Usually every month or two it drops like a few thousand, then picks up a few thousand, but always less than before.

>>384540705
Unironically remove Sniper.

>>384535019
The only brown girls are a grandma, the high school teacher that thinks she's hot shit, and a dyke that's completely devoid of character. Theyre brown yes, but shit brown.

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>>384548343
Scottish fucking Cyclops
>>384549725
SCOTLAND
F O R E V E R
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Captcha was hats.

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>>384530675
I know it's a fucking meme and nuvalve would fuck it up but
>tfw no tf3
>tfw no actual updates
I mean, what could they really do at this point?
CSGO is 5 years old already, Dota's 4. I kniw they're lazy fucks and will do whatever takes the least effort, but I'm seriously doubtful that CSGO skins will sustain them for ANOTHER 5 years, even though they've made more than enough off the Market.
What IS next for them? They would never make a new IP, that's way too much work for these hacks. The logical next step would be L4D3, an HL continuation, or a Followup to TF2.

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>>384554430
I wish they would give development to a 3rd party. Even if they split profits fixing the game woule bring in so many old and new players it would make up for the loss in revenue.

>>384540705

>Not even viable for pubs unless the entire team is retarded
>Sniper literally does the same as Spy but 10x better and he doesn't need to arbitrarily waste 20+ minutes getting behind a single person to get one-shot by a turn around insta crit
>Sniper just needs to shoot your head
>Sniper has jarate to assist the team with
>Sniper can do his job when he' really, REALLY far away in 6s and since no one uses the Spy because he fucking sucks the other team has to get a Sniper too


I blae Valve for nerfing the fuck out of Spy in every aspect. Even his backstab animation craps out due to latency and you get too many fail-stabs. His decloak sound removes any chances of decloaking behind the enemy at the perfect time because it's so fucking loud. His health is low, his speed is low, Pyros can just throw random fire to "counter" him and Engineers know all the tricks by now, so they don't die to Spies anymore.

I'd go as far as saying that no decloak noise at all would be good enough to make him viable enough to punish competent players in pubs, not quite in competitive. But what the fuck do I know, I consider competitive TF2 to be even more boring than golf. It's a mistake to balance or focus on competitive for a game no one considers competitive, outside of the people that like to rocket jump and pretend they're Quake players or something.

>>384541251
>The game was balanced for 12 vs 12 brawls
and quake team fortress was 32v32. how far we have fallen.

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>>384554780
>have 9 unique and interesting classes
>balance the game around a 6v6 format
I will never understand this.
Btw yur ugleh

>>384554780
t.never played comp

>>384555191
The game is balanced around being fast and skillful gameplay. Nothing stops you from choosing a spy or running a heavy to mid it's just a spy pretty much needs people to not be in contact with each other and a heavy is to slow

>>384555192
Even in comp, if they want a pick sniper is go to way more than spy.

>>384542417
millions of flies eat shit

>>384555191
Because Highlander is pretty difficult to both implement as a game mode that people can play easily, as well as balance. It also doesn't fix the issue of Demo, Soldier and Scout being the best classes regardless of whether its Highlander or Sixes.

>>384555339
Well that's not 6's problem that's spy being shit, even in highlander where your forced to pick him he's little better then a observer or for a suicide pick which 9/10 times fails

>>384554614
The Passtime mode was made mostly by a third-party studio. Valve should rely more on them and/or other third-parties for new content (especially for modes that have been abandoned, such as MvM and Training).

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>>384555710
>enjoyed Pass Time
>even got the Beta-Tester badge for it
>play a round recently
>only get people on my team who've never once played the mode
>other team is full of scouts who do nothing but play this mode
>on the shitty forest map so my frames are kill
>nobody wants to play on the brickhouse map they first started off with in the gun mettle update
>never play this mode again

>>384550598
except the rocket moves fast enough that it's practically hitscan

>>384556427
I feel your pain. They should have done a promo like MVM that would have gotten people interested for a little bit at least

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>>384555310
Gru+BSS or the whip and heavy can make it to mid. But hes still frowned upon and banned in the majority of 6s play I think, don't play comp. I don't even mean competitively though. Poor Siberian strong man can't fend for himself against all these better options. The fact they nerfed his rev damage still baffles me.

>>384551110
i share ur opinion but also there was something so beautiful in it's heyday visually which has sculpted my memories personally

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>>384554780
>Not even viable for pubs unless the entire team is retarded
Getting very sick of lazy fucks like you.

How can it be the greatest game if it's ctf mode is shit?

>>384550960
I guess he likes Warhammer

>>384532457
>wanting vanilla servers
>not just using nohats mod and stock loadout
retard alert

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>>384557882
I kekd.

>>384557643
But he isn't wrong anon.

I'd still take a anything that's not a sniper or spy over a those two any day because pubbers are fucking terrible at generally everything.
>have character that's rewarded for aiming well and fast
>lol i'm just gonna stand in one spot the entire round and not bother helping with the objective
or
>cloak and dagger behind enemy
>decloak RIGHT behind enemy team member
>get surprised and call hacks because people aren't deaf

>>384557792
The only good ctf maps are 2fort and Turbine. All other maps are terrible level design mistakes.
>B-but muh stall
That's exactly why they are good. They put you in an incredibly balanced situation unless you put a bit of extra effort compared to the other team.

>>384558032
Nigger, you can stay here all the day talking about people that can't play those classes but that doesn't mean out there there are people that actually play both Spy and Sniper in a proper way, not sitting in one place, not getting caught decloacking or playing on the objective.
Stop pretending like every single Spy or Sniper player is a lazy idiot.
And yes, I'm talking about pubs, holy shit.

>>384540705
Make him focus more on support.
>Allow him to steal health packs from the enemy and teleport them back to his team, display enemy health/position through walls to his allies, reduce enemy damage output/make enemies more vulnerable to damage in an AoE, create decoys, temporarily cloak allies, make enemies hallucinate, drain enemy ammo, and more

>>384556805
He's limited to 1 because two heavies can fuck over most frail classes

>>384558036
>balanced
Being balanced doesn't instantly remove all problems with something. CTF is still incredibly difficult to actually finish a game, leaving you to DM at the middle of the map for ages while waiting for a decisive push, and 2fort makes this even worse by having a fucking boring mid with no standing room.

>>384558425
Let alone two, one Heavy is ridiculously strong on defense.

I used to put on derpy hooves profile picture and play the game normally. People would get really mad. I miss how pony-posting would derail any thread.

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>>384558261
Nigga, I know there are good snipers and spies, but they're rare as fuck, so 9 times out of 10, you're gonna get a kid who just installed the game because his mom didn't want to buy him Overwatch

I'm talking about PUBS, and the GENERAL EXPERIENCE that you're gonna have. OK, good if you get awesome teammates who are always objective focused, but as for me, I don't live in your perfect world, and I'm stuck carrying for shitters.

>>384558425
So can soldier and he has way more mobility.

>>384558036
It's balanced but it's still terrible. CTF is good when it's more like a capturing race than a stalemate.

2fort is good for late night 24/7 alltalk server fucking around though.

>>384558517
One is bad enough, but 2 pretty much bulldozes most classes especially with a pocket medic.

Casual ruins the pacing of the game
Two rounds is not enough to fully enjoy a map, and everyone leaves as soon as the votemap comes up

>>384530675
>no single player

try again

>>384548343
engi i cant aim at all so this class always suited me well.

>>384551110
>Just because it was your first real online FPS experience doesn't mean it's the best, sweetie

>names his first experiences

All I did was play quake and loved it doesn't mean I can't like TF2

>>384555710
Passtime was shit though

>>384558810
>singleplayer
>on pc
>in 2017
Try again next year

>havne't played in months
>play again today
>my favorite thing to do was shit on bad snipers with the Ambassador
>can't do that anymore

bad game

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I don't care what anyone says, TF2 is still one of my favorite games. The only update I really didn't like was the pretty recent one where they added the player level statuses for the casual/quick play mode. It feels unnecessary and just gives something new to circlejerk about. We already have the hats to show off status, why put level badges on top of that? Imagine having years worth of crafted hats, and then having your profile on level1 because you haven't played since the update.

>>384558984
They haven't even nerfed it yet and you're STILL this terrible

>>384558774
>and everyone leaves as soon as the votemap comes up
I hate that. I coukd understand leaving if your team is dogshit but, even if the two teams are pretty good, at the end of the match half of the people leaves. Why? Stick around for longer, damn you.

>>384559040
retard

>>384558774
But more fresh blood joins in next map and if teams were enjoying playing with each other on that map they usually stay and vote for the same map to be played again. Casual sure can be fun and peopke sure can stay.

>>384559034
t. low level guy who dies more than he kills

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>>384559034
lmao but oberwash has levels shouldn't tf2 have levels, come on, current year anon, cosmetics don't mean anything to the OW crowd

>>384559034
It's not even useful because at least you get loot boxes on overwatch.
Also
>can't join individual servers in casual
Updates only fixed the side issues while leaving the core problem with matchmaking intact.

>>384559265
>It's not even useful because at least you get loot boxes on overwatch
Holy fuck, this. There is literally no reason to levep up except for showing your epeen. Which means nothing anyway since I've seen gibus shitters with a 100+ level.
They could give you a bonus weapon drop for each level at least but no, fuck that.

>>384559120
Also possibly the only one actually pushing the cart, playing the objective instead of going for kills.

>>384559472
>t.tryhard

>>384559574
>Its the player playing objectives a tryhard, not that miserable faggot trying to boost his k/d

>>384559684
>I-i got to win at all cost!!

fuck off tryhard. Most of us want to have fun

>>384559754
>winning isn't fun

t.24/7 insta respawn 2fort

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>>384559754
fuck off nigger. Why not go wank off on a brony server instead if you dont want any objectives

>>384559857
if you have a game that revolves around random crits and damage then winning doesn't mean shit.

>>384559754
t. friendly heavy shitting around in spawn

>>384559115
They can, but that's not what they usually do. The old version changes maps very quickly without a "break" period where all you can do is to watch nothing on the screen and vote. usually people stick around more for the changing of the map then

>>384558984
They haven't changed Ambassador yet, dumbass. Stop lying.

>>384559951
Yes it does you win you get some nice music happinies from beating others and you get to 100% crit kill and massacre the other team who are fleeing in fear.

When you spot a group of defeated enemies but you decide to let them live and instead taunt with them in the last few seconds.

>>384560113
>they tauntkill you
yeah nah no mercy

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I would say so, at least multiplayer wise.

I've been playing this game for almost 10 years, even went back from overwatch.

Best balance between easy enough for casuals yet some nice tricks n skill for masters
Cant keep a good game down.

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>>384559951
>>384560113
Crits are more likely the more damage you do.

It's a skill indicator.

I don't think anyone can argue the game at its core is bad, despite some questionable updates.
The biggest issue is the userbase. The "good players/bad players" ratio is totally fucked up. F2p scum ruins every single match. I'm baffled there aren't servers for premium players only.

>>384531426
>meme FOTM MOBA

>>384561978
too many snipers spies and scouts doing fuck all on dustbowl. i don't want to play soldier again, let me build shit in peace man.

>>384548343
>love to play agressive engineer
>there's always at least 2 engineers somehow
>stuck playing demo or soldier or medic so I'm not useless dead weight
>>384548587
it's a damn shame
I remember there being shitloads of skial servers and now there's only a handful
granted I normally just dropped into a valve server most of the time, but that was mostly to avoid certain community server cancer

>>384549584
>>384549723
I honestly only use direct hit/lnl when I'm messing around or need to take out a sentry nest without getting boned
splash damage and rollers is too much good to give up for slightly better ability to hit moving targets

>>384556427
I can't believe how much fun gunslinger engie is on pass time
it's like CTF but more fluid

>>384558036
>literally required to have 1-2 medics to win - the maps
>sniper spam fest - the maps

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>>384559034
>tfw buying a unusal for $40 was more enjoyable than the 10 hours I've played of the $40 overmeme

>>384561978
>The "good players/bad players" ratio is totally fucked up
That's a problem with any large multiplayer game.

Point me to a large MP game where /v/ doesn't complain about the majority of people they play with and against as being retards.

>>384540705
Competitive should be 9v9 (but not highlander) or 12v12
This way not only spy becomes more usefull but also pyro heavy sniper and engie.
Engie, pyro and heavy are only good on defense, heavy for a last stand and engie for a longer time and pyro stops uber pushes.
Spy needs more enemies so that he is harder to notice.
Sniper is only good on certaint chokes (where I think he is to good) for picking off a medic or engie, but horrible on any other situation.
They are honestly all good classes but on 6v6 you need more generalist classes who can do it all, usually those classes have to be mobile. Demo soldier and scout are fast and good in any situation. Medic is the only mobile source of healing.
If the game was 9v9 or 12v12 their would be less need for generalist classes and classes like heavy and engie on offence would be way better because they can fill their niche roles of being really good against mobile classes, teleporting and solo pushing carts.

>>384563003
True, that's a common problem. Fact is, in tf2 it is worse than in your average multiplayer game. The ratio gets exponentially worse with each new year.
Basically, yes, other games have the same problem but not in the same scale as tf2.

Game went to shit after the medic update, which was the only good one.

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>>384549725
Hae at 'em, lads!

>>384563284
>True, that's a common problem.
Yeah, honestly I can't think of a large multiplayer game without a bad community.
>Fact is, in tf2 it is worse than in your average multiplayer game
I disagree with that too. Look at League of Legends' community or Dota's community or CS:GO's community compared to TF2's.

I'll concede that it might be different in your country, but in my country, everyone in pubs is quiet, and at least 3/4 of the people in the server know how to baseline play the game (and the rest make good cannon fodder).

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>>384563591
>GAME WENT TO SHIT AFTER PYROMANIA!
>NO, GAME WENT TO SHIT AFTER MVM!
>I DISAGREE, GAME WENT TO SHIT AFTER ENGINEER UPDATE!
>NAH, GAME WENT TO SHIT AFTER MANNCONOMY!

I can't begin to tell you how many times people have dropped into TF2 threads to give their opinion that the game went to shit after Update (x) which somehow totally ruined the game and made it unplayable forever and ever.

You just got bored. The game never "went to shit", it's always been amazing.

>>384563813
Yet playernumbers dropped massiviely with each update, hence it went free to play, so it got bumped again, but now its down to shitter again. Newfags will never know those feelings.

>>384563813

yeah dude the demoman sword update was sooo coool... oh wait.

>>384563935
>Yet playernumbers dropped massiviely with each update
Because, surprise surprise, most people who play video games don't play them for 1000+ hours.

Of course the playernumbers dropped. It's coming up on being TEN YEARS OLD. Even the best games of all time have struggled to maintain large multiplayer playerbases for 10 years.

Again, no update made TF2 "go to shit". The fact people are still playing at all after 10 years is solid proof that the game isn't "shit".

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>>384564006
>Demoman got a sword, so the entire game is now shit

>>384564049
> WoW started at 5mil still 5 or above

>>384530675
Pre 2012 this game was amazing. Ever since Mann vs Machine it was just garbage, and even before then it was seriously going downhill.

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>>384563935

>>384564204
and they shit on competetive gameplay.

>>384564190
see >>384564264
and comparing the popularity of an arcade to the popularity of cocaine is unfair anyway.

TF2 is still one of the highest population games on Steam, with 1,700,000 players in the last 2 weeks, and has a way better age-to-population ratio than almost every other game ever created

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>>384563813
You may argue whether it became better or worse, but it changed considerably after inventories and equippables became a part of it. To some tastes it squandered both aesthetics and gameplay and went completely to shit indeed, to some it became fukkn funneh lellll xD. Whether you liked the changes or not, whether you like seller and buyer spam or idle servers and other such garbage, you can't deny that the game has changed.

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>>384530675

>summer holidays
>valve forgot to edit the player number again, so it still shows the same 50K as during school season

I'm sure there will be a valve drone trying to refute these facts.

>>384564334
Good I quit this game, went to shit right after the updates and lack of community pleasing, like competetive mode came after 10 yrs, fucking lol.

>>384564361
This, the game became some utter casual trash after the updates, especially inventory and ITEM IDLE FARMING Servers. It was a "competetive", well balanced FPS, then it became hat simulator.

>>384564424
>went to shit right after the updates
there it is again. Are you just baiting at this point?
> like competetive mode came after 10 yrs
Eight years*. TF2 was 8 years old when Competitive Matchmaking was added.

And not having competitive mode didn't make it "shit" on release, so I fail to see how it makes the game "shit" now.

>>384558296
>display enemy health/position through walls to his allies
How about this, give the spy a tracker gun that does very low damage, if he hits an enemy player he will be "tracked" until dead and the spy will be able to see him through walls like the intel or bomb

>please rate the quality of the MAP you just played

Am I fucking dumb or is this a recent change? I always thought it was MATCH.

>>384564590
>on release
I agree, the game wasn't shit on release. :)
4 yrs after release we wanted competetive mode, valve instead added hats and idle servers, then the game became a big hat simulator. gj

>>384564361
>but it changed considerably after inventories and equippables became a part of it To some tastes it squandered both aesthetics and gameplay and went completely to shit
Let me mention some things here.
Hats are rare due to being behind a paywall. Only 1% of players you see will be wearing gross cosmetics. The rest will be within the artstyle.
Hats can also be modded out pretty easily.

The majority of players use stock weapons in every slot but the melee slot (which is boring anyway).
TF2 definitely did NOT squander gameplay. The game has more replayability, variety, and balance today in 2017 than it did in 2007.

Whether a game is good or not is relative. Tell me, what's a better, populated, multiplayer shooter than TF2 on the market today? Exactly.

>>384564887
> Tell me, what's a better, populated, multiplayer shooter than TF2 on the market today? Exactly.ű

CS:GO, Battlefield, Overwatch

This wasn't even hard.

>>384564832
>then the game became a big hat simulator
Dumb fucking meme. "BECAUSE COSMETICS EXIST NOBODY PLAYS THE GAME AT ALL ANY LONGER"
Besides, you have the competitive mode you want, right now. But of course, you're just here to complain. Not to actually take the solution you're given.

>>384564973
>CS:GO
Less variety of content than TF2, thus less replayability.
>Battlefield
Less variety of content than TF2, lower skill ceiling.
>Overwatch
Less variety of content than TF2, lower skill ceiling.

That wasn't even hard.

>>384564987
>Besides, you have the competitive mode you want, right now. But of course, you're just here to complain. Not to actually take the solution you're given.
There are much better games like overwatch now, witch competetive game mode, who wants to play a dead game without scene? Only 12 yrs old play this game now and they only care about hats. scroll up and see even pros said tf2 became shit and they turned to overwatch.

>>384565051
>CS:GO
>Less replayability

Pick one

skill ceiling is irrelevant since tf2 isn't hard to paly at all.

>>384564887
I quit after jarate.

>There are much better games like overwatch now, witch competetive game mode
Okay, so you're baiting. The shitty spelling and grammar, and calling babby's first FPS good gave it away. Be less obvious next time. Keeping my (You).

>>384565051
>Less variety of content than TF2, thus less replayability.

Did you just seriously write that cs:go has no replayability, LOL Dude top 1 fps game since 1.6 came out, where do you live?

>>384565290
>when no arguments left.

>>384565051
>>Battlefield
>Less variety of content than TF2, lower skill ceiling.
I wouldn't say so
there's some people in bf4 that are truly scary

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>>384564006
>He can't land pipes or rockets on a charging demoknight
It's hilarious to see them fly right past me after lobbing a grenade at them, they get so confused afterwards

>>384565153
>Pick one
I'll pick two. CS:GO has less replayability than TF2.
TF2 has 9 classes with a variety of 170+ different types of weapons to enjoy, leading to thousands of different playstyles over 14 official game modes and 100 different maps. And this is before counting in mods and custom maps.

CS:GO has the same base character for every player, with the only gameplay differences being the minute statistical differences between hitscan guns. People generally only play 3 game modes.

>skill ceiling is irrelevant since tf2 isn't hard to paly at all
Then you don't understand what a skill ceiling is. A skill ceiling is the maximum skilled gameplay potential players have. You're getting it mixed up with skill floor, the skill requirement to play the game.

Counter-Strike 1.2-1.5 will always be the pinnacle of FPS gaming.

So many god damn underage faggots here now.

>>384565514
just how wrong you are is incredible.
More content =/ replayability and we are talking about a multiplayer game, how stupid are you.
Both BF and Overwatch have as high skill ceiling as tf2.

>>384565574
Back in early 00s, I hated you fuckboys so much, you cs-playing pieces of shit. God knows you were much worse than modern dota children.

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>>384565336
>Did you just seriously write that cs:go has no replayability
No, retard, I said it has LESS replayability.
>LOL Dude top 1 fps game since 1.6 came out
Team Fortress as a series has been around for longer (1996) than Counter-Strike as a series has even existed (1999). Lurk more, newfag.
>>384565426
Battlefield definitely has less variety of content than TF2, and the "scary" people in BF4 are no more skilled than the "scary" people in TF2.

>>384530675
It was.

But now? it isn't.

>>384565771
CS is the top fps since it ever came out, it doesn't matter which game came out first you imbecile, people play more CS, more user, more active user, more online player anytime, and you tal kabout less relplayability when numbers disagree with you? LOL

Bf is more skilled since oyu have to headshot.

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>>384565902

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>>384530675
Damn right.

>>384565671
>Both BF and Overwatch have as high skill ceiling as tf2.
I just came into this thread to tell you, just how fucking wrong you are, just look at even the most basic rocketjumping tutorial that shits on everything from overwatch. Mainly lucio and tracer are the only ones with a semblance of good movement and their all on timed abilities.

Overwatch comp is pushing with your team since you can't carry your team by yourself when in tf2 you can and battlefield is a genric modern military shooter its shit

I'm almost certain your baiting now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAEOiIF8Piw&feature=youtu.be&t=34s

TF2 had it good days, now it is down the gutter, I personally loved the game before updates, there were a few good updates like goldrush and medic update, the rest are not so good, and some were terrible, the general feeling of the game just completely changed something I don't like, each of its own I guess, but this game could still be top1 if it weren't some terrible updates. Now that overwatch is out we won't see TF3 for a long time, so thats about it, enjoy while you can, I heard the game is dying.

>>384566101
>rocketjump
>hard

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>>384565720
The community wasn't even toxic, exaggerate more please.

>>384532732
Every TF2 babby is autistic. Flashy colors, skill ceiling just high enough that retards can play and see themselves getting better and half of the game is dressing up barbies.

>>384531426
>paying for bad tf2
jej

>>384530675
*was

>>384531134
Best gaming time of my life. Made friends, played competitively, admin for a group of community servers. Good shit

>>384554780

spy is already overpowered in pubs, also its impossible to buff spy without ruining the game, once people learn to play spy is not supposed to be a problem. Deal with it shitter

>>384566268
It's harder then overwatches press shift and you don't stay in the air for as long. Also tf2 gives you the choice or any degrees jump overwatch just sends you up

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>>384566480
TF2 has no skill ceiling, though. After 50 hours you are already better than 99% of the playebase because everyone is so trash. So you either play with autistic animals on pugs or clean pubs all day. What a shit game.

>>384566564
What's better in the modern market, faggot?

>>384531426
For all the characters it has, the mechanics are as shallow as a birdbath.

>>384535802
Why aren't there lots of asian and indian characters and instead a bunch of darkies? This shit is obvious as fuck

>>384566836
>muh mechanics
>half of the best tf2 players left shit fortress for it
really gets those ol alimonds activated

Overwatch is just way better, numbers don't lie. :^)

>>384530675
*was

>>384566761
>also its impossible to buff spy without ruining the game
Just give him more powerful supportive abilities that help teams using teamwork.
That won't buff Spy in pubs because teamwork is uncommon in pubs.

>>384566876
Do you even talk with top TF2 players? The consensus is that Overwatch is shallow but it's where the future is.

>>384567069
It is also fun, why would they play otherwise?

>>384567069
Exactly, doesn't matter if it's worse, TF2 is just that dead.
>50000 players playing
>30000 f2p brazillians, a good 18000 trader autists that don't even play the game and the 2000 people that still play the game

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Idorts revenge
The /v/idya
Fortress of Faptitude
Spengeboobs fightatron
Headset Radio
the Old Weeabootique

Press F to pay respects.

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>>384566876
Because of money, you slavering retard. Of course a professional gamer living on ramen noodles is going to pick a game that actually pays them to play over the fun game.
Clockwork left TF2 for OW because of the money, and he's relentlessly shit-talked how horrible and shallow it is.
>https://youtu.be/QsH0ZXWeZZs?t=5431
So there's your "best TF2 players" you're talking about: Even they fucking hate Overwatch. Take away the money and they wouldn't be touching it with a 10 foot pole.

And the remainder of TF2's comp scene continues to play the game and run their competitive scene, paying for everything themselves, in the absence of money because it's so damn good.

Nice try, faggot.

>>384567226

But traders are 1% of the player population at most.

>>384567212
>why would they play otherwise?
Why do people work in sewage factories? Because it makes them money. Do you think they fucking find it fun?

Ex-TF2 comp players are good at FPS video games and don't want to work regular jobs. Overwatch offers them money for playing FPS video games. It's a fucking no-brainer.
>>384567226
Stats please faggot.

>>384567235
>tf2
>professional gamer
hahahahah you are fucking retarded

>>384567069

Blizzard bought most of them to make videos about Overwatch. Most of them stopped doing that within weeks because Overwatch is shallow and boring as fuck.

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>>384567226
>>30000 f2p brazillians

>>384567339
>plays Overwatch
>calls other people retarded
The irony is staggering. You have no argument.

>>384567235
I hope you are joking, no one plays games for money, not even pros, because money is so shit in the industry.

Also tf2 was hardly a competetive game to begin with, it had to be hard being top when there was like 10 team to begin with.

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>>384567418
>somehow came to the assumption that I play overwatch
nice strawman, I wouldn't touch neither overwatch neither tf2, both are absolute garbage

>>384567485
>no one plays games for money, not even pros, because money is so shit in the industry
It's their only marketable skill, so no, they DO play games for money. What the hell do you think streamers do exactly, work 9-5 jobs?
>it had to be hard being top when there was like 10 team to begin with
TF2's competitive community has 100,000 players right now and used to have even more, dumbass. That's a higher population than pretty much every iteration of Quake combined.

Are you going to tell me that Cypher is a bad player and it's not hard to be the best in Quake because the scene is small? How about fighting games with small communities? Stop spouting bullshit.

>>384567212
Individual players don't nearly have as much of an impact, plus every hero has an ult so it tends to be a clusterfuck of ults and abilities. In TF2, the meta is organized around the medic's ult.

There's actually a bit of a problem where a lot of the people who couldn't bother with the money to play a worse game came back, and they tend to be the people that fuck around and be obnoxious. The pug community at the top level is a pain in the ass to play in right now.

>>384567506
>absolute garbage
LMAO
Name a better populated multiplayer FPS than TF2 then.

>>384567349
You're thinking of Star_ and Muselk. They definitely weren't top tf2 players

>>384567738
Overwatch, BF, CS:GO

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>>384567787
>Star_ wasn't even a top TF2 player
>becomes a top OW player
?

>>384567232
no love for aliento's?

Ok to sum the threead up and get a reality check:
>TF2 was good
>Overwatch is out
>TF2 is dying and never will be the same
>Future is Overwatch

>>384567738
CS:GO, Siege

Then You have a shitty tastes OP

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>>384567805
Right. So Overwatch is "absolute garbage" yet somehow it's one of the only examples you can think of as a better FPS than TF2. That's hilarious.

And the people reading the thread are expected to believe you're not baiting?

For a simple counterargument to your terrible most-likely-bait argument refer to >>384565051.

>>384567868
Good on him, but he absolutely wasn't a top TF2 player. He was good by most standards but Star was not IM/Main/Invite material.

>>384567975
Overwatch is basically TF3

Yeah, I miss it.

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>>384567975
not the person you are responding to, ape. first day in 4chan?

>>384567975
> Anon doesn't realise he is tlaking to different people.

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>>384567909
>>TF2 is dying and never will be the same
>>Future is Overshit
Consider the following.

>TF2 has one of the highest populations of any Steam game, the fifth most played game on the biggest PC games platform

>The only reason population matters is if you can find a game. I can find a 12v12 TF2 game in 10 seconds or less at any time of day

>Every game is dying all the time

>TF2 is right before a major update about to drop that we've been waiting a year for, and every time a TF2 major update releases the playercount shoots up

>Blizzard won't release player numbers for Overwatch, and for all we know it's dying faster than TF2 is, considering how shallow it is

>>384568056
>>384568073
Explain to me how I was meant to know you're a different person, baitnigger.
>>384568050
Overwatch is a worse TF2.

>>384567909
tf2 is going to last for at LEAST another 5 years and it's still the most fun game out there

>>384568247
>assuming same person on 4chan, newfag with terrible arguments.

>>384568247
by using the id greasemonkey addon for 4chan so you can tell people samefagging you autismal newfag? not what i'd expect from someone who's on this site for 2 days

post montages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvCKAoBGBeo

>>384568309
>greentexting incorrectly while calling me a newfag
>>384568324
>2 days
Try eight years, faggot.
Post pics of your addon or it didn't happen.

I just wish they fixed the extremely sluggish game coordinator in casual. Before quitters are replenished, the team is already pushed to last most of the time. Or hell, replace quitters with temporary bots before real players can join the game again.

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>>384568396
NISLT is shit. Here's a REAL montage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1tm02L6IgY

>>384568458
>doesn't know what greentext is used for, i tell you it is not only for quioting, definietly newfaget.

>>384530675
It was great even after medic update.
Retarded drunk niggers ruined fun for everyone.

>>384530675

MyM's fucked matchmaking system is still giving me shit like failed to connect after 4 retries like 80% of the time. It makes playing with friends nearly insufferable, especially with how tedious re-supplying servers with fresh blood is

>>384568396
Why do people feel the need to add memes and voice clips to montages?
If I hear another x-files themes I'm going to scream.
>>384568550
This is better. Just add some nice music and let the action speak for itself.

I played the hell out of the original team fortress and enemy territory and other class-based FPS
TF2 felt stale as fuck

Reminder that sigsiev is a best

>>384568593
>demomen ruined tf2
accurate

>>384568572
I didn't say greentext is only for quoting. Greentext is for implying, telling stories, or quoting.
It is NOT for adding to regular sentences, like you're doing right now. That's what makes it obvious that you're a newfag.

>>384568751
>I played thousands of hours of class-based shooters, and wondered why playing more class-based shooter after that became boring to me

Thread is making me wanna reinstall.
Haven't played in years, what am I in for lads?

>>384568396
>NISLT says he's going to take a break from making tf2 videos
>TF2 autists find out he's playing Overwatch now

why are they leaving for Overwatch? It's not fair bros

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3500 hours of tf2 here.

It's stale as fuck.

No update or huge balance patch will change that.

It's not the best game ever. It has never been the best game ever. Anyone saying it is has simply been playing it for so long they have to continue playing it to feel good at videogames.

>>384568894
games are supposed to innovate on what came before them, at least they used to
TF2 was just the same shit in a shinier package

>>384568925
fun

>>384530675
MyM killed it for me. Whine all you like but I liked just being able to join anyones game, I liked just joining dudes in my fl without having to q with them.

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>>384568973
I want a timestamped photograph (not a screenshot, a photo) of your TF2 hours on Steam, or you're lying.

>It's not the best game ever. It has never been the best game ever. Anyone saying it is has simply been playing it for so long they have to continue playing it to feel good at videogames

Name a better game.

>>384567235
That's a good excuse to avoid the fact they aren't playing a game anymore. Money or not, nobody stops them to play another game along OW. Oh wait, you have your paranoia at so high levels you actually think Blizzard pays people NOT to play Tf2. Sure.

>>384568925
same shit as always but with a matchmaking system and a couple new weapons that hardly anyone uses

>>384568925
Disappointment

>>384568982
>TF2 didn't innovate
What, apart from the extensive class reworks, addition of new game modes and ground-up change of old ones, weapon unlock loadout system, and major rebalancing of everything in the game so that more classes than Medic, Soldier, and Engineer could be viable?
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Hydro_developer_commentary
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Gravel_Pit_developer_commentary
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Well_developer_commentary
>TF2 was just the same shit in a shinier package
Apparently you played 1000s of hours in QWTF, yet you think that the core gameplay is shit? Nice try but your argument doesn't hold up as anything but bullshit. I bet you never played QWTF at all.

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>>384568189
>play on xbone
>want to do quickplay match in overwatch, no comp, no wacky xD custom game modes
>wait a full 7 minutes, even after re-queuing
>play TF2 quickplay
>find match in 20 seconds in my area, not overseas
Crazy, innit?

>>384569253
Shitty grammar aside which is making me think this is bait, your post makes zero sense.
>Poor adult male whose only marketable skill is video games
>Fun video game will not pay him to play
>unfun video game will pay him to play

Which would you pick in that situation? A fun video game or being able to eat?

>>384568947
NISLT didn't do anything besides put people's clips together and add a voice over to it.

If anything, he's almost as bad as that one cuck who made the Persona-Hotline Miami ripoff

>>384569443
>>find match in 20 seconds in my area, not overseas

how?

>>384568973
>3500 hours of tf2 here.
>It's stale as fuck.
no fucking shit

>>384532732
It's free and has a lot of moddability, meaning autists can customize it to have cancerous things like MLP if they really want to.

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>>384569549
Click on the gear icon, that's how you change ping settings, senpai.
>have never had to play with east coast fags or eu fags ever again
>have a higher chance of running into b4nny and fucking up his streams

>>384568027
>but he absolutely wasn't a top TF2 player
Did you actually read my post? I never said he was.

>>384569412
I don't mean 'shit' as in it's bad, it just felt really samey compared to games I played five, ten years ago
Refinement is different to innovation, and the only thing that the weapon unlock system innovated on was valve's bank account

>>384567937
>CS:GO
Less variation of content (and thus replayability and fun factor) than TF2
>Siege
Less variation of content (and thus replayability and fun factor) than TF2, lower PC population, lower skill ceiling

>>384569664
>it just felt really samey compared to games I played five, ten years ago
Again, you'd played them for thousands of hours by your own admission.
The games weren't at fault for feeling stale, you are. It's unreasonable to expect a game to feel fresh after you've played for 1000s of hours.
>and the only thing that the weapon unlock system innovated on was valve's bank account
Don't be facetious. The weapon system added heaps of different ways to play. And you ignored all the other points I made too.

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>>384569140
Not going to jump through your hoops you cockguzzling faggot. You'll take this screenshot and accept not everyone has the retarded devotion to an aging game that you do.

Name a better game? Nah, I'll leave you guessing while you get asspained at my huge E-peen.

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>>384569872
Holy shit. You destroyed him.

>>384568550
>70% of the montage are soldiers and scouts
This is not ok.