This is the most poorly designed Sonic zone I've ever seen

You haven't played CD yet.

>>384465678
>t. shitter

>>384464801
it's actually pretty good when you git gud

>>384465748
cd zones play like they were randomly generated

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>>384464801
Clearly you haven't played this zone yet.

>>384466148
It's bad but at least it's not "XD SPRING INTO ENEMY!!" constantly.

>>384465678
CD's still better than 3 no matter how bad it is.

>>384465906
At least they're not designed to be unfair as possible.

>>384464801
>Fast paced
>Several routes available
>non-intrusive gimmicks
Carnival Night is tons worse.

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>>384465678
>>384465906
>>384466148
>>384466305
>The rings in the Sonic CD stages that are inside walls

>>384466305
Why are CDfags so blind? I love CD but c'mon it's barely a Sonic game since almost all zones focus on slow exploration and time wasting hazards instead of speed and platforming, outside of Stardust Speedway Zone.

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>>384466481
*blocks your path*

>>384466614
>Calls CD bad
>CDFag
Why are 3Fags so blind?

>>384466481
This. I never got why people liked that stage. It's just a slog. There's a bunch of shit that makes no sense until you fuck around with it for a couple of seconds and waste time. Nothing else in 3 is like that, everything is very clearly laid out and self explanatory. and no, not just the barrel, half the shit in the zone just waste time

>>384466741

>Why are 3Fags so blind?

Because we've seen the light.

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>>384466148
Of all the zones to bitch about you pick one of the funnest ones. Like I'd understand Wacky Workbench and even Stardust Speedway because even though the zone is great it's laden with spike balls. But no, you pick the one with tons of shit to ramp off of and bounce around on.
>>384466614
>time wasting hazards
That'd be Sonic 1.

>>384466148
You're a bad person.

>>384464801
That's not Marble Garden or Death Egg Zone.
Though you're right it is pretty shit

I like Marble Garden but never much cared for Ice Cap. I'm the weird one.

>>384466491
Time Travel.
It's stupid, but yeah.

>>384467950
Death Egg Zone, I could see. but Marble Garden? The fuck do people even hate that stage for? It intentionally keeps you from back tracking so you don't get lost, and it's straightforward as fuck. The level gimmicks are pretty meh, but it's really not that bad.

>>384468130
Time travel is the worst mechanic in any 2D Sonic game ever

>>384468269
I liked it...

>>384468269
Knuckles Chaotix exists anon.

>>384468409
Ah forgive me, for not only have I not played it, but I don't really consider it a Sonic game.

>>384468269
This. The novelty dies off real quick when you understand that it's just a gimmick to prolong the length of the acts with more exploration.

>>384468269
best*

>>384465678
This, like someone shit on a level editor.

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>>384468662

>>384468563
The sadder part is that you really only need to get to the past to get the good ending (though Act 3 does take place in the future, so maybe they thought of that).

>>384468202
Because of the fucking slow bullshit gimmicks. The flying tops that move slow as fuck in the air, the arrow spitting faces you have to just stand under and hit a few times, the breakable floors/walls that REQUIRE the slow ass spinning tops to get through, etc. The stage would be great without all that bullshit, but the bullshit is there, so that's why people hate it. It's so slow that it's literally the only Sonic 3 stage that doesn't have water. It has slow fucking sludge shit instead.

>>384465678
Sonic cd had some of the best levels in sonic history too, and definitely most of the best boss fights.

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>>384468910

>>384468835
The stage only takes like 2 minutes, and I only ever recall needing to use the top like...twice. Are people really THAT fucking bad at it that it takes them forever just to beat it?

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>>384468910
> definitely most of the best boss fights.
I like CD too dude, but let's not get crazy.
Or is this sarcasm/trolling

>>384465678
This. it's a fucking mess. like someone gave a child a spray tool for 5 minutes.

>>384464801
Can you beat it? If so, then Labyrnith Zone 3 is the most poorly designed level. It's actually broken at the beginning and just keeps looping until you die.

>>384467950
I love Death Egg. You get hit all the time but it feels decently climactic enough to be the final zone.

>>384469070
>The stage only takes like 2 minutes
I can tell it's been a while since you actually played the game.

>>384469220
It also has the only actually challenging miniboss in the whole game, at least as far as I can remember. The backgrounds for both acts are rad as fuck too, and good music.

Just a good stage all around.

>>384469110
Started playing 3 for real yesterday, had previously only played a few zones. Got to this zone, lost all of the lives I built up, and so I decided to go to bed. I have no problem with Labyrinth Zone. I've beaten Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 a few times.

Will play it again later today, but I sincerely hope there's nothing worse than this.

>>384469246
I play it once every month. The original btw. Not the complete rom hack that touches up the bugs (though I do play that one too).

>>384468527
The existence of Sonic Crackers implies it was originally a Sonic game and the gameplay is pretty much the same.
Meanwhile, the level design is CD on steroids.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Chaotix_level_maps

>>384469110
>Labyrnith Zone 3
>broken at the beginning and just keeps looping until you die.

Wat

>>384469413
Haha just wait till you get to Carnival Night Zone. And then Sandopolis.

>>384469495
You need to jump into the river thing at a specific point or you keep going down the slide forever.

>>384469574
>Carnival Night Zone
That's before this zone senpai

>>384469574
>says he's at Launch Base
>Carnival Night Zone is before Launch Base

>>384469467
Then you're the fastest player alive and should record it, because 2 minutes for Marble Garden is top tier glitch run shit.

>>384469671
>>384469695
Oh yeah, you're right.
Then I was remembering right originally.

Okay then, you're in for a pretty good time until Sandopolis then.

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>>384469574
>>384469831
>Every time you decide to replay the game and have to do Sandopolis zone

>>384468747
Stay mad

>>384465678
Exactly.

Marble Garden is the low point of Sonic 3. Sandopolis is the low point of Sonic & Knuckles. Everything else is good shit.

Yes, Carnival Night is good faggots. Better than that fucking overrated Casino Night in Sonic 2 because it actually has enemies and obstacles and isn't just "lol let's not design an actual level, let's just have a stage where the only point is to play slots"

>>384464801
If you think that's bad, you haven't played CD yet, OP

>>384470336
I've beaten CD

>>384470324
Casino is better than Carnival. Ice Cap is overrated. Hydrocity has the best music.

r8 my hot opinions.

>>384470336
I've beaten CD like 13 times (all with the good ending, 7 time stones) and I can tell you, level design is actually good. Even though its main problem is that it focuses a lot more in exploration rather than speed, apart from Stardust Speedway, but memorizing them and know where and when to go fast is pretty fun. Bosses are still shit.

>>384470715
>Casino is better than Carnival
Wrong. CN is overrated.
>Ice Cap is overrated
Yes
>Hydrocity has the best music
My nigga.

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>>384470981
>CN is overrated
Yeah, that's what I said, Carnival Night IS overrated.

>>384470324
So what you're saying is you didn't play thru Casino Night.

>>384470715
>Ice Cap is overrated
I would say it's a bad zone.

>>384471128
Casino Night IS overrated.
Fuck abbreviations people barely understands you

>>384470864
Fucking this, the game even has unlocks for beating time trial with a short combined tim of all stages. Teaching you how to beat the game in as little as 25 minutes.

>>384464801
Sonic 1-3&K by Taxman, when? Also add a marathon mode where you play through every zone in the trilogy.

>>384471238
Bland maybe, but bad? That's just fucking reaching.

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Sonic 3 Zone Power Rankings
1. Angel Island Zone
2. Marble Garden Zone
3. Hydrocity Zone
4. Ice Cap Zone
5. Launch Base Zone
6. Carnival Night Zone

>>384471140
>only enemy in the entire level is the dude that can't even hurt you because you just bounce off him
>all you do for 2 acts is hit bumpers from place to place until you reach the end
It's fucking boring. I've played Sonic 2 a million times, I don't want to stop to play slots anymore so Casino Night is a fucking bore every single time I replay the game. I just want to get to a real level like Hilltop already whenever I start that zone. The best thing Casino Night has is that really well designed boss, probably one of the best in the Classic games actually.

>>384470864
CD is a collection of randomly placed springs and Stardust Speedway is composed of tubes.

I waited years for Sonic CD to come on PC and boy it was a letdown.

Sandopolis act 2 is worse because of that mandatory sand section.

>>384466481
>Carnival Night is worse
>same story with Marble Garden
>when both have a shit ton of paths and shortcuts

Every damn time

>>384468202
You can avoid most gimmicks in Marble Garden, except for 2 times when you need to break those walls with the blue-spin on a zigzag

>>384469940
>every time I want to play Sonic 2 and remember that Sky Chase exists
Was alright the first time, but that shit plays the same way, as the enemies appear in the same way and goes for about 2 minutes

Another thread full of "if I can't hold 1 direction and just never stop then it's a bad level" faggots

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>>384465678
>Wacky Workbench

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?

>>384471582
The bumpers gave you that much shit huh?

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>>384471568
Sonic 2 Zone Power Rankings
1. Emerald Hill Zone
2. Aquatic Ruin Zone
3. Casino Night Zone
4. Chemical Plant Zone
5. Hill Top Zone
6. Mystic Cave Zone
7. Sky Chase Zone
8. Wing Fortress Zone
9. Metropolis Zone
Final Destination Tier: Death Egg Zone

>>384465678
yeah I dislike CD too, nice ideas but it doesn't work for sonic at all

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>>384469574
>Carnival Night
>Bad

>Sandopolis
>Bad

Oi, you fuck off, gobby guzzler.

>>384471863
Man, Ecco's bad future is better than Sonic Forces'.

>>384471582
I agree with everything in this post

>>384471568
Wrong.
1. Hydrocity Zone
2. Angel Island Zone
3. Carnival Night Zone
4. Ice Cap Zone
5. Launch Base Zone
6. MARBLE FUCKING SLOW-ASS PACING SPINNING TOP BULLSHIT WHERE DO I FUCKING GO IN ACT 2 GARDEN ZONE

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>>384471863
Sonic & Knuckles Zone Power Rankings
1. Flying Battery Zone
2. Sky Sanctuary Zone
3. Level Reef Zone
4. Mushroom Hill Zone
5. Hidden Palace Zone
6. Sandopolis Zone
7. Death Egg Zone

>>384471940
Sandopolis is the worst zone in S3&K.

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>>384472068
Sonic 4's Power Ranking:
I ever played this game and so shouldn't you

>>384471863

>oil ocean

Ultimate Power Ranking

I want to fug that bat

>>384471809
Past theme was best track
That was a zone where you need to memorize well the rotating platforms to do precise platforming

>>384472049
>6. MARBLE FUCKING SLOW-ASS PACING SPINNING TOP BULLSHIT WHERE DO I FUCKING GO IN ACT 2 GARDEN ZONE
What? Why do you even use the spinning tops except for breaking those walls twice in the first act?
How do you even get lost in the 2nd? At the start of the second after Robotnik starts shitting the zone you can take the upper path by spindashing to break a pillar.

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>>384471863
>>384472275
Sonic 2 Zone Power Rankings ver.2
1. Emerald Hill Zone
2. Aquatic Ruin Zone
3. Casino Night Zone
4. Chemical Plant Zone
5. Hill Top Zone
6. Mystic Cave Zone
7. Sky Chase Zone
8. Wing Fortress Zone
9. Metropolis Zone
10. Oil Ocean Zone
Final Destination Tier: Death Egg Zone

>>384471940
Sandopolis is the most shit of all the zones in S3K.
>shit level design
>randomly placed monitors
>fucking shit bosses
>giant rings are in enigmatic places
>act 2 is literally where do I fucking go
>shitty ass annoying ghosts
>IT DRAGS FOR TOO LOOOOOOOOONG

>>384466305
>It's bad but at least it's not "XD SPRING INTO ENEMY!!" constantly.
CD is spring central, what are you on about?
Palmtree Panic 1 has something like 30 springs.

you know what i hate the most about Sonic CD? the fucking jumping sound effect.

>>384464801
You fuckers hate any zone that gives you a tidbit off difficulty.

>>384472150
Splash Hill > Lost Labyrinth > Mad Gear > Casino Street

>>384468910
>and definitely most of the best boss fights.
Who would go on the internet and tell lies?

>>384472643
>Labyrinth Rehash above two others
How bad did they fuck those levels up?

>>384472635
>The only zone I hate in the entire Classic series
>YOU JUST HATE ALL THE HARD ZONES!!!
God you're stupid

>>384472464

Wow harsh. Oil ocean owns.

The only zone out of the trilogy and cd I would consider truly awful is Oil Ocean Zone.

>>384472764
>The only zone I hate in the entire Classic series
but...you never said that?

>>384472831
>not sandopolis
>not casino night zone

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>>384472474

>giant rings are in enigmatic places

As fucking intended?
You people cry about the most inane shit.

>act 2 is literally where do I fucking go

Hahaha, oh wow.

>>384472764
Read the thread and you will see what I mean. Nobody never hates GHZ or Emerald, or Starlight.
Everytime is somthing like Sandopolis (muh ghosts) or Carnival (muh barrels) or any zone that's suposed to be long or give you any difficulty.
I hope Mania has some challenge, I really do

>>384465678
wew

>>384472740
Mad Gear isn't really that much worse than Lost Labyrinth. I just prefer LL. Casino Street is lame though.

>>384473378
The three main levels people seem to hate are Marble, Carnival, and Sandopolis. They also happen to be the slowest and full of gimmicks that aren't challenging but make you just stand around and wait. I don't think it has to do with difficulty, it's just boring.

Then again I have no idea why people hate Launch Base, I love that shit.

>>384464801
Try playing Sonic Rush. They're nearly all total bullshit.

>>384465678
/thread

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>>384469628
That's intentional anon.

>>384473346
sandopolis is the shit. Good to see someone else appreciates it.

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>>384469806
I dunno what to tell you anon.

i'm not uploading a playthrough of the whole zone. that'd be retarded

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>>384474506
>after all these years there are still people who waste 5 minutes on this act, 7 minutes in act2, and 8 to 9 minutes in Act2 of Carnival Night

Then they say those zones are shit, when they are the ones that suck.

>>384474506
>Says the zone takes 2 minutes
>Spends two minutes on the first act alone
>The shorter of the two acts

Nice.

>>384475315
Hey now! I said "like" two minutes.

Besides, act 2 is way more straightforward.

If you want me to beat the second act in under a 2 minutes fine.

>>384475580
If you beat both acts in two minutes that makes four minutes. That's literally twice as long as you said it was, you spaz.

>>384476046
Whoa, calm down anon. I was wrong okay.

The level takes four minutes to beat. Well shit...that's practically a fucking marathon.

>>384474506
Why are you playing a S3K hack instead of the real thing

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OP here, it is done.

Was Big Arm the easiest final boss ever? What's with the shitty 30 second cutscene between defeating the first part and the second?

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>>384476256
>calm down

NO FUCK YOU I WONT CALM DOWN, IM GOING TO GO OUT AND LEARN HOW TO MAKE ROMHACKS JUST SO I CAN REMOVE THOSE BREAKABLE WALLS THAT REQUIRE SPINNY TOPS AND THEN EVERYONE WILL SEE JUST HOW MUCH BETTER THE LEVELS ARE WITHOUT THEM FUCK YOU

AND IM GOING TO REMOVE THOSE FUCKING RAPPELLING ROPES FROM SANDOPOLIS SERIOUSLY FUCK OFF I DIDN'T WANT TO GRAB YOU THERE ISNT EVEN FALLING DAMAGE IN THIS GAME YOU LITTLE SHIT

>>384476379
>Was Big Arm the easiest final boss ever?
Well no, because it's technically not a final boss.

>>384476313
Unless you want a choppy as fuck picture, that's the best I can do freindo. Besides, it's not like they flicked their wrist magically changed the level design.

And before you chime in, I know it alters certain things like replacing objects, but...are you really gonna be that petty?

>>384476547
I just made a simple question. Answer it.

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>>384473378

This, unless you guys are breezing through the stage effortlessly and without any pacebreakers then the zone is shit in your eyes.

I really fucking hope taxman isn't listening to the likes of you. Good zones have all kind of shit thrown in to them, like Marble Garden does. Mania's GHZ boss already gives me hope that it won't be a completely cakewalk, I mean compare that to S3K's Angel Island's boss.

>>384476628
...I did answer it.

>Unless you want a choppy as fuck picture, that's the best I can do freindo.

But how about this. If I play the actual thing, will that make you feel better buddy?

>>384476379
Would the Flying Battery be enough to power the Death Egg?

>>384476836
Maybe. But why can't you post a screenshot of the real game without it looking choppy in the first place?

>>384477039

I hope we see Flying Battery in the background. It seems enormous ad I kinda wonder what shape it has.

>>384477039
Pretty sure they meant artillery battery and not car battery.

>>384477361
I'd like that too.
>>384477648
That too is possible, but the whole game was based around him trying to get the Death Egg back up and running, so it wouldn't surprise me it it was meant to power it up.

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>>384477176
I was going to play it on legit hardware, because I have a save file on there. But I guess I'll live with a rom as long as you're okay with me using the level select cheat anon.

There you are. Even took a picture of the emulator to make sure you knew it was "legit".

>>384477951
Well, thanks. Now I won't bother you anymore I guess.

>>384477951
Now do act 2.

>>384464801
My, and my older AND younger Brother have played Sonics 1, 2, 3, (as well as every other sonic game ever made) and we have a general agreement on the best and worst zones.

Best Zones:
1: Spring yard Zone
2: Chemical Plant
3: Hydropolis (Basically how any and all Water levels should be done, ever)
&K: Mushroom Hill
CD: Stardust Speedway

Worst Zones:
1: Labyrinth Zone (For being so hilariously shit, it's a bit of a wonder that they ever tried making water levels again)
2: Hilltop Zone
3: Launch Base Zone
&K: Sandopolis
CD: Wacky Workbench (Good music does NOT equal good gameplay)

While in our family we all agree that Sonic 3 and Knuckles is probably the best, we all also agree that Sonic Rush Adventure is probably the single most underrated Sonic Game and deserves far more credit than it has.

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>>384464801
Nowhere as bad as SA3 with Acts 2 and 3 of Chaos Angel

>>384478908
Who thought a moving platform enemy gauntlet level was a good idea for sonic?

>>384478486
>Sonic Rush Adventure

Fuck the sailing and treasure hunting. Zones were alright, some pretty great like that Babylon zone

>>384478413
Mmkay pal

>>384478987
The sailing and treasure hunting were mostly hit and miss I will agree. All modern sonic games need a "gimmick" nowadays, and it didn't COMPLETELY shit the bed, so it's alright.

The bosses were all generally great to amazing tier (With the exception of the whale) the music was great, and was one of the only Sonic Games to have multiple endings based on completion%.

>>384478908
Even act 1 had terrible shit, like those blocks you need to push to gain speed to proceed in the level because Dimps made spindash was useless for that zone

>>384479121
>and was one of the only Sonic Games to have multiple endings based on completion%.
But most Sonic games have that.

>>384478908
Great design and music wasted on such a trash level.
https://youtu.be/AY6WjFf0D6w
https://youtu.be/djhywlIDzIg
https://youtu.be/N-NNMzZ3y-g

>>384479227
Sorry, let me rephrase: One of the only 2D sonics to have the additional ending.

1, 2, 3, and CD did not, while 3&K, as well as the other Sonic Advance games did. Sonic Rush 1 did not.

So it's basically 5 no and 4 yes as far as 2D games are concerned. The Sol Emeralds in Sonic Rush Adventure were actually kind of a fucking dick to get.

>>384479456
Before you say Rush 1 did, let me remind you that getting the "secret" ending in that game is basically just playing the sonic AND blaze routes.

So hard, you played the game.

>>384479456
>The Sol Emeralds in Sonic Rush Adventure were actually kind of a fucking dick to get.
If I remember right didn't you have to essentially do hard mode bosses?

>>384479514
Sonic still had to get the Chaos Emeralds.

>>384478908
Still the best music in the entire Advance series.

>>384479448
Boss music is also fantastic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUBAcMHJlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_FsZefpsc

Why is stardust speedway so shit

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>>384476379
>>384469574
>>384469831
>>384469940

OP here again once more, Sandopolis really wasn't that bad.

>>384479540
Yeah, Hard Mode Ghost Titan is legit the single hardest Sonic Boss ever designed that wasn't hard because of some shit gimmick.

>>384480545
Yeah, fuck off

>>384480545
>Says Launch Base is Bad
>Then says Sandopolis is Good

Bait thread, got it.

>>384481008
>Not that bad = good

>>384480545
Stop using level wraps, faget

>>384481052
No, see, the thing is, it is THAT bad.

>>384474506
>>384480545
What hack is that? Is that Sonic 3 Complete with the Sonic 2 Sonic mod? I mean, his sprites look good but they clash with how Tails and Knuckles look.

>>384480304
Because Sonic CD is shit

>>384481187
Not the Taxman version. Been playing through it as Tails. Honestly, it feels like Sonic CD fits Tails like a glove since it encourages you to look for objects.

>>384465678
I never got the fascination for CD. It's basically just a Sonic 1 remake/remaster.
>Palmtree Paradise = Green Hill
>Collision Chaos = Spring Yard
>Tidal Tempest = Labyrinth/Marble
>Quartz Quadrant = Sonic 2 Mystic Cave
>Wacky Workbench = Spring Yard (especially in the past as the background has those sunset red mesas)
>Stardust Speedway = Star Light
>Metallic Madness = Scrap Brain

>>384481350
>Palmtree Paradise
At least take a moment to learn the level names correctly before posting.

>>384481008
>Disagreeing with you = bait
>Not bad = good
You got a victim complex?

>>384481138
Level wraps?

>>384481157
Sonic 3 Complete with Sonic 2 sprites for Sonic, since I hate Sonic 3's sprites.

BTW, Lava Reef Act 1's Boss sucks ass, I can't see shit because of the lava background.

>>384465838
>git gud
>Sanic gaem

Yeah, it sure tales a lot of skill to keep holding right on the D-pad till you hit spikes.

>>384479883
That's not Egg Rocket

>>384481572
Is there at least a mod to make Tails have his Sonic 2 look? Sonic sticks out like a sore thumb. Unless someone made custom Sonic 2 sprites for Knuckles then it's a lost cause.

>>384471238
The first act is boring and repetitive although it is compensated by the relaxing speed of act 2. It a middle zone in Sonic 3, there are better and worse.

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>>384465678
CD babies on suicide watch

>>384481496
What the fug I swore it was Paradise for some reason. Weird.

My point stands. S1 would be better with a functional spin dash and like one more level, CD would be better with better bosses and better level design.

>>384482217
Agree, Sonic 1 was more like a tech demo for me. Even though I like CD's level design, I'm with you in the bosses part. They are too boring.

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>>384469246
>>384477951
>>384478413
Different Anon here, it took me under 2 minutes as well for Act.1, Act.2 took me 3 minutes.

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>>384464801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k4HSSVPATY

Dat music tho.

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>>384481921

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so we can all agree 2 is the best sonic game right?

>>384480304
Stardust Speedway may not be the best designed level but it has the best tunes in both versions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21ZSrPIFETg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn7pK00Us3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRcR0v6I_w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTl3h39abxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHLaaOSaOY8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DYZX74qgFQ

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>>384483436
No, I find 3&K to be the best. I find 2 to be the weakest of the classics.

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>>384483436
It is merely one of the three pillars to the true monument.

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>>384483538
>>384483569
You have utter shit taste.

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>>384483538
>>384483569
Brehs.

CD is for faggots too blinded by nostalgia to accept that it's objectively the worst of the classic Sonic games

>>384465678
In B4 "sonic CD is the best in the series" at the exact things it's the worst at

Looks like I'm too late

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>>384483694
Or maybe it is you that has the shit tastes & you're deluded by it thinking they're good tastes.

>>384483436
Sonic 2 is good, but a bit overrated. 3 and Knuckles generally all around better.

>>384465678
CD gave people that exclusive feeling. It used to be pretty rare to find and no one could argue with someone who played it. Now that it's everywhere, it's pretty obvious what the short comings are and a lot of that is definitely level design. Cramped as fuck and the past future thing made nothing better and everything awkward.

CD being the weakest of the Genesis era doesn't mean it's bad, just not as good as the others.

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>>384483538
>>384483569
Is Sonic Mania going to be like this?

>>384484129
If Mania is above 3&K, then I sure hope so.

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>>384483694
Says the Sonic 2 fag. Don't get me wrong, 2 is good. Outdoes 1 and CD easily. But the sheer amount of content, refined level design, and better sprite art makes S3&K the best. 3 playable characters with unique movesets, 14 zones to blast through, 14 special stages and even more secrets to unlock. It'll be hard for even Sonic Mania to dethrone it. Sonic 2 doesn't even make Sonic and Tails different, Tails is litterally a different skin with a smaller hitbox.

>>384483038
Sonic 3 just had great music in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxlqTpZ-24

>>384484514
>Outdoes 1 and CD easily.

Wait just fucking stop son

The guy you're quoting bitched at an anon that ranks 2 to be the worst classic. And I'd be pretty sure that's the reason because that was the point of the post.

>>384484763
I prefer the original version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvnsriLZvL0

>>384484910
That faggot said that 2 was easily the best then claims any other opinion is "shit taste". And you're right, Taxman CD is kino. Sonic 1 and 2 are comprable.

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Don't know if that anon cares anymore, I had to help move some furniture in so I was away for a while. But unfortunately I wasn't able to beat the level in under two minutes. So that makes for a combined total of around 4 to 5 minutes...Yup. SUPER LONG.

>>384484763
>great music in general
On average or just the songs you remember for being good?

>>384485094
Yeah glad I stopped you, you can't read

He claimed one opinion, that Sonic 2 was the worst classic, was shit taste.

Then you follow up with, "Well actually, Sonic 2 is the SECOND best classic Sonic".

If you want to be contrarian, pick a more contrarian position.

>>384485154
Both. Because every song in S3K is good and memorable.

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Amy in Sonic Mania

lol typical sonic fanbase discussion unable to unanimously agree on absolutely fucking anything being good or shit

>>384485393
Yeah you're using selective memory. There's a lot of average songs in S3k, just not more than good songs, so "great music in general" still applies.

>>384485635
That looks so lazy

>>384485372
>Contrarian
Anyone who's played the games and isn't blinded by nostalgia knows S3&K is the best.

>>384485853
It's hard to get any fanbase to unanimously agree on something, especially one as fractured and autistic and Sonic.
Be glad this is purely a classic sonic thread.

>>384485853
>lol your fanbase isn't an echo chamber

And it's gonna fucking stay that way.

>>384485635
That's actually a pretty neato looking hack.

>>384485997
Animations are choppy but I'd fucking love Amy in Sonic Mania with a revamped Sonic Advanced moveset

>>384486004
You don't understand. Exchanging S2 for S3k is splitting hairs in response to a poster that only got assblasted because someone thought S2 was the worst game.

>>384485989
What are some of the "average" songs?

>>384482156
he said absolutely nothing that can be considered witty or funny
there is no pun or joke, there is just a raw, dry "cd is shit" statement

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>>384486324
thats the magic of it

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>>384485853
Wow it's almost as like fanbases are formed by individuals rather than a single unified conscience

>>384485635
>>384486446
Are you misrepresenting those .webm files deliberately? That's not Sonic Mania; it's just a Sonic 3 ROM hack.

>>384486306
Well some songs I've only listened to while casting judgement once, so I can easily change my mind, but the ones that stick out are

Carnival Night and Launch base, though they would probably sound a lot better if they had more to work with that a genesis sound chip

Mushroom Hill

Sandopolis 1 and Reef 2? Hard to remember a split opinion on acts. I know one of the Lava Reef tracks is god tier.

And Sky Sanctuary.

>>384486709
I think he's just posting in a similar fashion to those "x is cute !!" shitposts but with dreams of his hedgehog waifu being playable in Mania. Maybe trying to delude himself into believing it's true.

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>>384486709
Amy in Sonic Mania

>>384485154
In general
I think the only bad one that was particularly bad or unappealing was the act 2 boss theme.

>>384486467
ok i guess

>>384486721
>Mushroom Hill
>Sky Sanctuary
Those are definitely not average

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Imagine that you as a human end up forced in a sonic stage.

You can't do any incredible jumps, springs are incredibly harmful, deep water massize hazard because you can hold breath long, breath in bubbles or sink deep enough at a reasonable pace to navigate the mazes.
Badniks are indestructible but still potentially harmful. Loops can be done only because you can jump to the side onto the exit pathway, but corkscrews are strictly off limits. Even many harmless gimmicks like the spinning elevators in Launch Base are actually quite fast and can cause you a small period of stunning nausea.

Is there any stage a human can actually beat? What game would have the most levels that a human could beat.

>>384487932
>Mushroom Hill
I like the melody but it shamelessly repeats it.
>Sky Sanctuary
Nothing interesting about its composition

Also average does not mean bad. You have to get into CD US soundtrack to find bad sonic songs.


.

>>384488518
>Is there any stage a human can actually beat?
Green Hill act 1?

>>384488665
>CD JP has no bad songs
Pleasenigga.

>>384488518
Speed Highway. Just pilot the helicoptor to the goal.

>>384488518
Reminds me of the time /v/ discussed beating Mario 64 if they got trapped in it.

Green Hill Act 1 could be possible, with some athleticism and avoidance of Badniks.

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>>384488742
>>384488898

how would they survive this?

>>384488783
Okay now I'm curious to know what songs you think are bad in that soundtrack

>>384488986
Assuming the walls are not scalable, dropping onto the lower tree's foliage might be feasible

>>384488783
Anon, I'm trying to have 1 discussion instead of 5 arguments

>>384488986
Sonic is pretty fucking short, so a height like that shouldn't be lethal for a human, mildly painful at worst. Plus, like >>384489093 said, we could hop onto the tree or scale down the wall.

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Act 2 looks way more beatable if you're careful about the part with the spike columns. You can probably crawl the S-shaped vent. I mean, I hope you can. It'd be dark in there, so claustrophobia = RIP.

>>384488986
I got it

Trick a crabmeat into cutting down the tall palmtree

Then cry like a bitch because you can't lift it across the gap

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>>384489296
Made a walkthrough of Act 3. Our progression based on the stage is based on a few things:
>Springs bounce us as high as Sonic
>Us being around two Sonics tall
>Scaling walls
>Fighting Robotnik

>>384465678
>all these babies got lost in Stardust Speedway

>>384490945
>getting lost

That stage is short as fuck

>>384490865
Anon why are you doing falls no human can survive when you could just keep walking and take the tunnel

>>384491438
>take the tunnel
>claustrophobic as fuck
>tons of badniks on the other end
>spikes could fuck you up
>springs, provided they launch you like Sonic, would totally fuck you up

The zone is dangerous but I tried to take the easier way. Remember that Sonic is a hedgehoglet and that falls won't do as much to us.

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>>384466148
>Collision Chaos
Filename related.

>>384491618
>claustrophobic as fuck

Acrophobic as fuck

Just run past the chameleons

Also humans can't scale smooth walls. You're gonna have to take the spinning spike log. Because the rules of sonic levels apply, you can't slip off the left or right side. Just move at the same pace as the log.

>>384490865
I can't see springs being a god idea, unless you like broken legs.

I like the climbing trees to reach ledges idea.

>>384486446
Sexually? Because I only see Tails and Amy in the webm