Is season 5 the death of Overwatch?

Heh I don't know.
The throwing issue is real, but the only thing that concern me is how very few people are playing online.

If I play during a sunday, if I start another comp game just after a previous game ended, I have 80% chance being against of with people from the previous game, it's like there's nobody playing.
Now I'm in diamond so maybe there's less people up there, I don't know.

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>>384456528
>still playing overwatch

>>384456528
Blizzard isn't making enough content or events.
They also suck at balancing anything.

>>384456528
I started losing my interest since orisa, and totally lost my interest with doomfist reveal. I've read and heard that many are disappointed doomfist is not voiced by terry crews, even heard some said they are not going to buy a blizzard game ever again because doomfist fiasco.

>>384456528
People are realizing it's a shit game and that they should have quit on release like I did.

If you unironically play Overwatch post-beta you don't belong on /v/. You should just go back to R*ddit.

>>384456890
Just because of this?

>>384456528

New content drip is too slow. The game is begging for new heroes given that the majority of the current roster is fucking stale along with the state of the game competitively.

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>>384456528
>Mercy
>Best
>Girl
Yes

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>>384456528
Good, I hope Overwatch dies soon so Blizzard can move on to something better like Warcraft or Diablo IV. Why so many people paid for this repetitive pvp minigame from the scrap leftovers of Titan is beyond me.

>>384456528
But isnt Overwatch league starting soon?
And it will make a bazillion dollars plz invest now.

I wish there were more colorful fps games with different heroes and abilities since I'm not looking for realistic multiplayer shooters. Overwatch's main appeal is its style and art design.

I'm continually amazed that you fucking blizz nut garbling retards ever even picked it up.

>>384456968
Yep. Sounds stupid though but that's what I keep hearing on multiple populated discord servers.
I might give it a try once its released but it doesnt mean I'll play for days all over again. New characters feel lackluster and/or boring, but gotta try doomfist myself when its out to give a good opinion.

>>384456989
No, not new heroes.
More viable heroes.

There's a good amount fo heroes right now, but only 6-7 of them are actually reliable, so nobody bother with the others.

I play this game and unironically like it.

Why does /v/ hate fun?

>>384456528
Maybe if I keep making threads saying OW is dying it will actually die.

>>384456528
>Lots of people seem to be moving away from the game, including most of my friends and me who played the game religiously every day
Both me and my bro quit this game for Paladins at the start of this season.
Are there really many more like us? Maybe not going over to Paladins but just dropping that game now.

>>384457031
>wanting nu-Blizzard Warcraft 4
please no

>>384457103
>fun
>OW
Try to play non-meta heroes.

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>some deluded people actually gloated EVO would get less viewers because OW was having some shitty world cup trash going on

>>384457093
literally this

>>384456847
Pretty much this. There aren't enough game modes and there's 0 chances that Blizzard will ever give the community the tools to make any more unlike tf2

>can play years of counter strike, battlefield, etc. without any throwing outside of free weekends or sales
>Overwatch has some kind of crisis with tons of posts on various websites crying about toxicity

Typical waifugames.

>>384457138
I enjoy every hero except two. I try to play them all when I get a chance.

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>>384456528
>People are giving up even on competitive, after 5 seasons you are roughly at your level of where you should be
I still get 1min queues in diamond, i also started as a plat s1 and have gotten to mid diamond

>People have their gold weapons and rank so they have nothing left to achieve through comp
Playing comp for points is retarded, you play comp because people are less retarded.

>People are throwing way more than ever before
Not really, some dude going hanzo because he's a 1trick isn't throwing it's bad luck

>Lots of people seem to be moving away from the game, including most of my friends and me who played the game religiously every day
your personal anecdote means nothing to a game with millions of active players

>Even new characters, maps and the recycled events aren't enough to excite people anymore
People are pretty hype for doomfist and lunar colony is a good map


Mercy is not only best girl, she's only right girl

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I'd like to see some numbers on how much money they have made selling the game itself and on selling crates/cosmetics.

>>384457191
Nice b8

>>384456528

>after 5 seasons you are roughly at your level of where you should be


Unless you are a one trick Mercy player. Then you are probably 2 leagues higher than you should be.

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>>384457103
>fun

Nearly every other shooter is way more fun though. Then there are other genres that completely eclipse OW in fun. If you want fun, play something other than OW, D3, or WoW.

>>384457146
How? Like fighting games are real competition with real passion behind it. Even IJ2's upset is much better than OW's stale meta.

>People have their gold weapons and rank so they have nothing left to achieve through comp

You're retarded. You're not supposed to achieve anything other than your rank in comp. It's for people who like being competitive and having their comparative skill quantified. They probably enjoy playing against similarly skilled players too.

That aside, I agree that Overwatch is stale as fuck. Content is being released way too slowly. They release a shitload of cosmetic items, but nothing to actually shake up gameplay. There need to be way more maps and modes. Having a game browser and custom games helped.

>>384456528
balance is the biggest problem for me
all heroes now feel equally weak and hard counters just do regular damage to their targets

I don't even like OW but this thread is full of anti-OW bias circlejerk
The game isn't dying at all retards, it's still popular as fuck and constantly top 10 twitch

>>384457301
thx anon. i had no idea i wasn't having any fun and thought i was.

wont happen again, i swrz it

IS [GAME NAME HERE] DYING?

>>384457353
Lmao nyet comrade

I STOPPED PLAYING OVERWATCH.

IS IT DED?

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>>384457275
>can't argue with anything but memes

If Overwatch's design wasn't such a leftist circle jerk, I would maybe give it a second try

>>384456528
Black man here
I'm still mad about Terry Crews not voicing Doomfist

>>384456847
>>384456989
No the problem is, the new characters are not viable.
You remember Orisa?
People were excited, played her, realized she's worth nothing in a actual "serious" game, so nobody play her.

What's the result?
She might as well not be there, not released, nobody would care.
They do add content, just bad, unbalanced one that people forget.

Ana was a great addition because people actually get to use her, what's the point to add a characters if it's to not be used, or just play it during arcade just for funsies?

>>384457373
Hey man some people like wearing payless sneakers or think eating McDonald's cheeseburgers is good food. Just trying to tell you there are more, better options out there. You have to be pretty ignorant on shooters to enjoy OW though.

>>384457435
If that's your biggest complaint then you have bigger problems. You're either an idiot or a casual who barely plays games.

>>384457450
Your entire argument falls apart if you actually played when ana came out, she wasn't played at all, but then people realized she was broken as fuck.

Orisa have also started seeing high-level play on specific maps where having an immobile turret tank works.

>>384457467
But multiplayer fps is my favorite genre and I have played the "more, better" options out there. It doesn't mean OW isn't good, and I'm pretty sure what I'm experiencing when I play it one could describe as "fun"

it's not dying, but it is cancer atm

the reason is obvious, it's summer break so a much of retarded kids running around in all the competitive games

it's not just overwatch, pretty much any popular pvp/competitive game right now is full of kids that leave, are toxic as fuck, or are just like full out stupid and racist

this happens every fucking summer, it's annoying as shit but you just gotta deal

ow has an event almost every 1-2 months so it's not that bad, the thing i would say is their hero releasing could've been a lot better

game desperately needs some kind of dive denial tank and healer, just adding one of those, especially a dive denial tank, will make the meta so much more flexible, instead they released sombra, orisa, and doomfist, none of which impacted the stale metas which sucks

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>PUBG stole the playerbase
>keeps dropping in twitch view
>slowly dying

LMAO

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>>384457441
>Black man here

Fuck off to Reddit, or quit looking for attention.

>>384457191
Lol how do u improve so little I started plat s 3 now I'm master almost GM

>>384457558
Like I said, other games are more fun.

>But multiplayer fps is my favorite genre

You're either lying, really bad at the genre, or you're a console player

>>384457525
My point still stands, and you even explain it yourself : People are only starting now discovering orisa, in other words in like the new characters got released now.

Before that nobody cared about her, and at the last stats she got 0% pick rate in competition.

>>384457598

Most people aren't neckbeard virgins with no lives, m8

>>384457450
>Orisa
>Not viable

She's more viable than Rein right now just she's not a part of the dive comp dominating choices

The fact f the matter is people are dumb and don't know what works.

Blizzard does suck at balance though

>>384456528
The fact that people leave because no new content kind of makes me want to vomit.

Back in the days the games got no new content at all. I played COD1 UO harbor 24/7 for years and I loved every second.

What the fuck happened?

>>384457301
Fun is subjective, retard. This is like a guy acting all mighty because one anon faps to kids while you prefer to fap to scat. The avenue doesn't matter, you both get off eventually.

>>384457691
COD1 UO was actually a skill based fps while Overmoba is litterally 1 button moba

>>384457563
>some kind of dive denial tank
This is what Orisa is supposed to be

Jesus her ult is bad though.

It really should be something else. It doesn't fit her kit or her theme

>>384457653
You're right.
Next time I'm thinking about getting into a game I'll run it by you first to make sure my fun levels aren't diminished.

>>384457680
a big part of the reason rein isn't being used right now because he's bugged as fuck, but that's apparently being fixed with the next patch so you might have him come alive

no idea how they fucked up his firestrike and his swing timer

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>>384456528
They should have added more rewards to comp instead of fucking dance moves. Everyone of worth got a gold weapon on their "main" in one or two seasons, now of course the shitters are gonna start throwing . Why wouldn't they? Even adding in a few of the "Gold" lootboxes per tier would probably get people to chill a little.

>>384457691
Older games had more depth and versatility. OW is extremely shallow and even super autists like Seagull are getting bored of it.

>>384457734
That does no explain anything.

I don't know if the game is actually past peak or not. It probably isn't, people still seem to like it.
I just think that people are realising how low the skill ceiling actually is, and also how dependent you have to be on the team.
You can be the best McCree ever, getting constant headshots left and right, shutting people down, but it doesn't mean shit if there are always on average 2-3 shields between you and your intended target. Furthermore, you going someone like Winston and jumping in and holding down left-click in the vague direction of the enemy may be of a far greater benefit than any great flickshots you can do with McCree.

Also, and this is a personal thing, but eliminations in OW seem almost meaningless to me unless you get them to waste ult, which doesn't happen at higher levels of play. All you do is buy time, and that seems to be core of almost every mode, buying time. The person you just killed still has their ult charge, and you are still only a single well executed ult combo away from losing the objective, even if you were rolling over the enemy team until that point.

>>384457691
Because back then almost every MP game just stayed more or less the same as it did on launch. Once one MP game started the content train, there was no stopping it. People are always going to go for what is being constantly kept 'new' and updated. Why do you think mods for UT were so damn popular?

>>384457740
No anon, that what Roadhog WAS supposed to be.

>>384457103
Is the the only """"Arena"""" shooter you played? Are you fucking dense or just underage?

>>384457748
no the reason he isn't played is because dive feeds on him, tracer especially.

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This season literally every single game has become a one sided roll. It's a coinflip which team you end up on and nothing you do will change the outcome of the game. Ranked needs something to balance teams better, like using a draft system to decide teams.
>You have your twelve players that queued into the game
>Two of them (highest sr) are team captains and take turns picking people for their team based on their most played heroes and SR
Best part is that everyone'll treat mercy mains like the fat losers they are and pick them last every game.

Also, d.va's defense matrix really needs to get nerfed hard. She's a more mobile, higher damage, more survivable rein with a better shield that neutralizes any damage dealing hero save Zarya, Sombra, and the unreleased Doomfist. Pharah and McCree should be bonkers strong in a Tracer/Genji/D.Va/Winston meta but defense matrix fucks them both.

>>384457563
Doomfist will impact the meta sort of, in that he works perfectly with it and shits all over Winston and dva who need to be close to deal damage (knock back), is reaper durable, and his attacks bypass their damage mitigation. He's a potential replacement for genji at least

>>384457740
in what world is she dive denial? her barrier is useless to tracer, genji, and winston

her damage/gun is ass for tracer and genji

if anything, she's kind of a dive enabling tank, she can put her shields up front for the flankers and shit

she's a more offensive rein if anything, she could use an ult change but part of me always debates if slowly giving every hero a second ult or something would be good or not

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>>384457045
Well the artstyle is a mess but the gameplay is miles better and more balanced. They also redid older characters to be more consistent with the new lore.

Official Chinese art can be hilariously bad even when they get more fanservice.

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>>384456528
because its a shit competitive game

Its a fun casual game, the best players are either playing because they are being paid to, quit, or play holding onto the hope they eventually get paid too.

I used to log on just to reclaim Grand master for rewards, but I haven't bothered to do that anymore

>>384457851
No to both of those.
Played the shit out of action quake2 back in the day before moving on to q3 and urban terror and cs.
You just want people not to like something you don't like.

>>384457742
I think you should, but I'm not changing your diaper.

>>384457705
Taste and enjoyment is subjective as well. Doesn't mean there isn't a general consensus on what kind of chair is comfortable or what car drives better. You can give him a hippie hug for liking shit, but I want to disagree.

>>384457563
I'm not usually one to call out reddit spacing, but come on man. Your post doesn't need to be 6, 1-sentence paragraphs.

>>384457936
That's paladins anon. It's easy to mix the games up

>>384457920
idk, if he doesn't one shot them with his charge, the enemy team will shit all over him for wasting his charge to push into the enemy team

he has amazing one shot potential but he gets assblasted for it, it's basically like a rein charge.. what happens to a rein when he goes for a charge against any half decent team? ded

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>overshit

hahahaha

>>384457563
>pretty much any popular pvp/competitive game right now is full of kids that leave

Not Tekken

>>384457974
All this salt just because I said I liked something.
Never change /v/

>>384456528
Well they gave the game the depth of a puddle because the main target audience was "people who play the game once in a week". It's no surprise that everyone else but those people have seen everything there is to see by now.
What I don't understand is how anyone thinks a game like that can ever be "an esport" in the long run. I guess the higher ups really think people are cattle who can be manipulated at will.

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>>384458070
A gay furry makes more money than any of those players and the largest prize pool.

>>384457873
rein was used even when tracer was popular before, he still makes it hard for everyone else, including soldier, and his hammer is actually great against a diving genji if done right, and his pin is also good for a diving winston.. well, when he wasn't bugged anyway

if your rein is dying to a tracer then the rest of your team must be blind since they should be behind him.. where the tracer will be to shoot him

and plus, maybe besides solo ulting him, why is a tracer trying to kill a rein and not the supports?

>>384456528
Its dying says increasingly nervous man.
Maybe op should stop being a faggot and stop making threads about this shitty game. Saged for stupid.

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>>384456694
No shit theres less people in diamond.
Vast majority of players are in gold.

>>384458168
She isn't trying to kill rein, shes making sure she has an ult every push.
and rein can't react properly to a dive, he might be able to stave it off with a good hammerdown but other than that he's useless compared to Dva/Zarya/Monkey

>>384457817
>>384457691
Pretty much every alternative like Paladins and Gigantic have a faster release schedule than OW.

Shit, the pace which Paladin shit out champions is insane, we had a new Champ every 2.5 weeks and they all have 3 different playstyle defining legendaries ontop of loadout combinations. They just reached 30 champs and are slowing down to *only* a new champ every month. Best of all is that the roster is fairly balanced compared to OW since a chink team managed to BTFO everyone with an off-meta team until they got countered in the finals last week.

>Game came out at the end of May 2016
>Already five seasons

This has been Blizzard's most recent issue with their games: in trying to convince players to play they just make the dedicated playerbase that would be playing just burn out that much faster.

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>HotS
>dead on arrival
>Overwatch
>dead on arrival

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>Diablo 3
>Dead on arrival
>SC2
>Dead on arrival

How can blizzdrones recover from that?

>>384458164
Not recently though! Didn't win Evo or CEO

>>384456528
i left after I got to around 4100 in season 4, got boring as fuck afterwards

>>384458262
"we"

what a shill thing to say

>>384458010
>post talks about alternative to OW
>Pict is said alternative to OW
Thanks Captain Obvious

>>384457970
Oh okay, sorry. Most Overwatch threads are filled with underages, how long have you been playing? I've been playing for over 145 hours and it's starting to piss me off and I don't get any more enjoyment out of it. It actually stops being fun and blizzards approach to content is fucking lazy they could do way more but choose not to, and they also suck at balancing.

>>384456528
I'm just tired of their rank system with the forced 50% winrate.
it took out all the fun from competitive mode when the system decides if you win instead of earning it yourself.
When the system think i should lose and put me in a lose streak, i can't win even if i did the best performance of my life.
When the system think i should win and put me in a winning streak, i can easily win even if my whole team is in throwing state and goes with 5 dps + 1 healer.

It's really bullshit and spoil all the fun knowing that how you play doesn't really matters.

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>>384458070
lmao

>>384458008
spacing that way is objectively better if you're not on a phone

>>384458317
That's because Boon begged him not to use his mains! He really fucked up trying to use DLC characters for like 90% of the time.

>>384456528
>me who played the game religiously every day
How do you play a game religiosly?

>>384458473
>Religiously
refers to doing something as one would religion, aka. as a devout X would pray multiple times a day in most religions at some point.

>Is Overwatch dying?

Yeah, it is. Honestly I'm surprised it took this long. I gave the game 5 months max.

>>384458413
if that's the case, why do all the pro players and good players make smurf after smurf and climb to gm/top500 easily?

i will fully admit that 2k-3k is a shitshow, but any good player should be able to solo his way out easily enough, if fucking timthetatman can carry his mercy main wife to diamond i'm pretty sure a lot of people can get themselves out of gold and plat easily enough

if you're not good enough to carry yourself out of a rank, then you're not good enough to be in the next rank anyway, it's a fucking ranking system, you have to win and be good to move up, you don't get to go up just because you play a lot

Blizzard should really focus on making maps that aren't purely centered around chokepoints. I guarantee you'll see better comps and strats when you don't have to funnel both team through a series of single chokepoints.

>>384456890
>I've read and heard that many are disappointed doomfist is not voiced by terry crews, even heard some said they are not going to buy a blizzard game ever again because doomfist fiasco.

Never happened

you're playing a game where the meta is decided by the devs and not the players
broodwars meta changed every couple years because players decided to play in more efficient ways making entire units arbitrary instead of blizzcuck™ (who can do no wrong) making retarded patches that don't revolve around fixing their garbage mappool, rewarding projectile play etc. jeff from OW team should go back to playing mmos instead of designing them lmao

>>384456952
Oh, I should be good then. I only play Overwatch daily ironically.

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>>384458413
I think a lot of people are stuck at being either good mechanically. good gamesense or good teamplay but rarely all three.
because of this the ranks where these people stay feel terrible Gold/Diamond but as you get higher up they will have a decent mix of all three

>>384458314
The drones i have no idea

Blizzard because WoW and hearthstone continue to shit money

>>384458356
Sure brah, let me just shill for a free game. It's not like anyone can just uninstall it for free if they fell for it.

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Blizzard makes bad games for losers with no lives to waste their time on either playing it or arguing about it for the free advertising that Blizzard gets from the obsessive no life NEET faggots who support their anti consumer bullshit practices because they're addicted.

>>384458729
the best way to get a sense of this is to play 1v1, or when it was still in the game anyway lol

some diamond players have god like aim, and prove to be a challenge because of the mechanics

then you get some diamonds who are just straight trash, so they probably suck in 1v1/mechanics

then you get the occasional god tier platinum aim god/dps main, who are actually really hard to beat

i played at least a couple gold players in like 100ish matches that didn't suck dick

i even played a top 500 who was an easy win tho

it's pretty much exactly like you said, until master+ people are usually only good at one thing, but even then, in master+, there's still a lot of people who are one tricks, which is why master/gm is so brutal, no one can switch lol

>>384458569
because they play in a group and hence the system couldn't put themselves into a losing team.
And that the SR given is based on your rank as that hero you played.
if u wanted to go above GM, you better not solo queue, or you better be one of the best player in the hero you chosen.

>if fucking timthetatman can carry his mercy main wife to diamond
diamond and below are nothing.

>>384456528

I gave up after Season 2, hit GM ranks and found the game still was full of bullshit.

>Matchmaking system is completely borked
>33% of the time you get fun games
>33% of the time you get put with tilted players or mainers who throw on purpose
>33% of the time you get put with people ranked 800 points lower than you and the game is a bust from the start
>Absolutely refuse to balance the heroes that are actually fucking up the game in Ana and Lucio
>Nerf fun heroes like Roadhog
>Refuse to balance maps outside of changing payload speed
>Dive meta is the least fun of all the metas and they still won't fix the game balance

I can't handle it, the majority of ranked games are full of morons even at the 4,000+ mark because there simply aren't enough good players playing the game so you find yourself at 4150 matched with people at 3200. Combine that with Blizzard completely unable to balance the game and I'm done.

I started Overwatch in the early beta and can say that it's the most fun I've had in a FPS game since CS1.6, unfortunately the game just isn't worth the effort thanks to all the added bullshit.

>>384457558
>But multiplayer fps is my favorite genre
Play Siege then, a lot more fun.

>tfw 300 hours played and still silver

>>384458991
what

basically every good streamer/pro player either plays solo or duo, most pro players want a full out solo q mode, it's actually a terrible idea to do big groups because you get less SR and lose more, and the wait Q's to try and match big groups are hot trash

but seriously, watch any pro stream/GMish streamer, they'll almost always be solo or duo at most, it's just not correct that they group

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>>384458913
it's a theory I have been working on since I started noticing it as i climbed from plat to diamond and it really seems to hold water.
You can get teams where you have good gamesense support, good teamwork tanks and good mechanics DPS and just steamroll anything.
but mostly you will have a mechanic DPS that has shit gamesense and refuses teamwork which just cascades into forcing your gamesense/teamplay players to maybe play something they're not comfortable with to accommodate the DPS mains

>>384459041
Thats what you get if you try to play a game that is clearly designed and balanced for casual play competitivly

>>384459087
>get spawn killed
no thanks

>>384459098
Maybe you should stop playing FPS games

and PVP games in general

>>384458473
Are you new to the internet?

The game design is inherently flawed. Allowing players to swap heroes at any time promotes toxicity in that a pro meta develops and all who don't strictly adhere to it put a target on their backs for their team to complain about. Jeff doesn't think there's anything wrong with having certain heroes consistently be in the pro scene because TF2 had scout-demo-medic-soldier as the only viable classes. Instead of balancing heroes to all be viable they do not care. It is boring to see the same heroes over and over again in the exact same match-ups with only maybe 1 character variation. Contrast this with Dota 2 where over 100 heroes saw screen-time at the biggest tournament.

>>384459172
I also have 4750 hours of TF2

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>>384459041
I liked what you were saying but I will disregard everything because of
>Nerf fun heroes like Roadhog
Because it is SO FUN getting hooked&1shotted by a tank right?
did you only get to GM because you rode the hog?

>>384456528
Hey, at least we still have the porn

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>>384456528
>seasons
>comp
This garbage is still a thing? I just play QP and have fun.

>>384458075
>popular

if Doomfist and Summer Games don't release together this game might die

everyone I know who played it is burnt out

>>384457114
I dropped OW for Paladins as well. Never looked back.

>>384459150

It was fun competitively, playing in an evenly matched game was really enjoyable with both sides pushing and pulling. Even in ranked mode I had a lot of games against 4-6 man pro teams and it was an incredibly fun experience. As noted though the bad part is that a game like that was a 1 in 3 situation, immediately after that I'd get a Symmetra main on the team who essentially made it 5v6 the entire time or I'd get a tilted Winston who leaped off the map for 5 straight minutes for no reason. The game was really fun but the matchmaking system made it impossible to escape the retards.

The worst is when the MM system would put you with super low ranked players because it valued fast games over evenly matched ones. I remember watching streamers too who were in the 4400 range and they'd get matched with fucking PLATS on their team, that's completely unacceptable. Fuck me I could dig through my old screenshots and find dozens of examples of one teams average rank being 400-600 points lower from just my games alone.

>>384459145
yeah, it's why you have to be good enough to carry yourself out of gold and plat, or be good and have a really good friend to duo with to try and increase your odds a little bit

it's just silly when people say that it's impossible to climb because match making.. if you're good, you will climb, there's definitely an issue with matchmaking, but it's honestly more because of one tricks that don't know how to play anything besides one thing, that's what a lot of top players complain about, and is probably even an issue in the 'only good at mechanics' sense players you're talking about

considering how they track so many more stats now, i hope they can one day try to at least mathcmake based on characters played or something, kinda like they do on WoW with the LFG thing, just don't make it strict enough where it takes forever looking for a perfect comp

also, a solo only Q would also be nice, i think that alone would help speed up Q teams, as it could just pair anyone 2-6 up, and leave 1's out of it

>>384459168
Don't rush like a fucking moron then.

That's what happens when the game has hardly any fucking content
Literally a meme game marketed for the lowest common denominator of gamers, children, normies who will play any game as long as it's marketed well enough and manchildren who don't want to work on any real world competition so they play shitty e-sports games to give them that kind of fulfillment
Well made games with both character and soul are rarely made nowadays. I'm not saying the game isn't fun or that it's bad I'm just saying that there isn't enough to it to justify it as a game that will have that much staying power especially considering that it's a MOBA (don't lie to yourselves by saying it isn't) with hardly any heroes to choose from which part of what makes MOBAs pretty rewarding in the sense that there are a bunch of different characters to master.

>>384459395

I like trashtalking the game and its obvious flaws, but what is it supposed to do with 4500 players if there just arent that many?

I mean even valve does the same in dota when your mmr is above 5-6k

You start getting 4k players in your team

I dont necessarily think its a blizzard matchmaking issue, but a statistical issue, where just not enough players are on your level to give you balanced matches

Keep in mind that you are already in the top 5% of playes at mid diamond

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>>384459485
>retarded meme statements: the post
Really activated my neurons with that.

>>384459379
they need to release a anti-dive tank/healer to make the meta very flexible, then they need to release a new game mode or two

arcade helped, but right now all the other good modes are like event tied and you can't play them whenever you want

straight up death match for qp/team death for comp with a ticket or something should be easy enough, and would be way more versatile with the meta because you might see all dps comps and stuff

i'm honestly not sure why that gamer type doesn't exist, it's usually the first mode an fps goes to lol

>>384457045
Same here
I fucking hate Blizzard

>>384459246

>Massive hitbox
>Huge headshot hitbox
>Makes loud noises at all times
>Extremely low shotgun range
>Hook has a static range

He was fun to play as and fun to play against, when you are a decent player you enjoy the challenge and focus on where the enemy team is as well as what they are playing. Roadhog has huge ups and downs and is a lot more fun on both sides than having DVA, Winston, and Genji jumping on your face.


I played everything aside from hitscan DPS in a group of 2-4, the meta changed a bunch but overall I was probably 60% support, 20% tank (not rein), and 20% projectile DPS.

>>384459415
I really thing the whole "Judge based on others who play the hero" is fucking up SR too, my friend who is a good phara main cannot get out of plat where my GF who is a decent mercy main got into diamond without trying as the resident flex I might aswell be a tank main

and I've noticed that my phara friend would get less SR than both me and my GF despite being the best DPS on our team, simply because there are so many phara mains out there

>>384457525
>she wasn't played at all

in QP she wasnt, or at least just as sniper pick after hanzo and widow. anyone playing with 2-3 tanks saw the potential since she can reliably heal those (compared to an hanzo or genji climbing and running around ), and it's especially good for long distance healing winston and dva.

>>384456528
>barely any new maps
>barely any new heroes
>barely any new waays to play the game
>cosmetics coming out all the time
Everyone would get bored of the same thing, especially that it's not an arena shooter, so the skill ceiling is low.

>>384456694
Because the game tries to match you with people of your skill level, dumbass. No shit you're going to run into the same people multiple times.

>>384459618

They can't have the system punish you fully then at that point, this is a team game and not a solo carry game.

If the MM system is going to rush high ranked players into mid/low ranked games due to long wait times and lack of overall high ranked players to fill games then the amount of points you gain/lose from those games needs to be minimal. If I'm at 4200 and I get into a situation where my team has low Diamonds on it and we lose then the system has to provide some leeway. Instead of losing 35 points I should lose maybe 5, personally I'd be fine waiting 30 minutes for a high rank game and wish I could opt out of "speed over balance".

>>384459684
>Massive hitbox
same as most tanks
>Huge headshot hitbox
Smaller than Dva/orisa about same as rein
>Makes loud noises at all times
unless you crouch
>Extremely low shotgun range
Unless you press your OTHER BUTTON and get a medium range shotgun shot
>Hook has a static range
and?

he was horrible to play against and fun to play, only things that countered him back then was reaper who did a good job, except it was a cointoss who would win, would reaper dodge hook or get hooked and either die or have to disengage.

And that is no fun my friend, having a tank that oneshots and has no hardcounter

>>384459715
a lot of pros have complained about it, a lot in part because they're pissed off at all the one tricks at high levels, they'll probably adjust the part where they compare you with other heroes thing at some point

it's a hard thing to adjust to get perfect, but i mean, a simple 'flat amount for a win + bonus for performance in relation to other top players in the match / flat amount for loss - bonus for performance in relation to other top players'

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>>384459260
Are you certain? We are even getting a new trap next champion in paladins.

>>384459789
it took 1-2 months before triple tank became a thing under Ana, a lot of people thought she was underpowered when she came out and they fixed a lot of things about her

I will try to some up everything I do not like about overwatch, stritcly objective
1. The balance is weird. It feels like it's rewarding bad players and punishing good players (Genji nerfs, McCree Nerfs, Symm Buffs).
2. The Meta is repetitive and boring.
3. They continually nerf heroes instead of buffing their counters, creating a wide array of bland side-grade heroes (bastion is incredibly similar to 76, mechanic-wise, etc.)
4. Players who pick badly are in no way punished. So much for "competitive"
5. There are some blatantly Overpowered heroes that they refuse to nerf (Ana's crazy grenade healing blocking crap, Widowmaker's charge rate)
It's almost like they refuse to nerf heroes for fear of losing their shitty players who cannot perform on even the most basic level of skill, which is to say most of them.
That pretty much sums it up

>>384458070
Don't you have to share the prize amongst the team?

Once you consider that, any fees for coaches (that's a thing, right?), covering other costs and taxes, it doesn't sound like much.

>>384459715
on and to add again, the reason pharah sucks dick for giving sr is because a lot of people just fucking dumpster low ranks on pharah so she has very inflated stats, she's one of the heroes that needs to be countered and it's surprising that you don't really see it countered properly until master+

>>384458070
>largest OW event is $300k
>SC2 blizzcon is $500k
>OW is 6-per-team so you actually win 1/6th of the prize money
a dead game has better prize pools than OW

>>384459641
?????

>>384459658
>>384459658
The problem is an anti dive character would need to be just as mobile as the dive characters so it can catch them

And at that point they would probably be a dive character themself

Look at mcree who is supposed to counter flankers, but is immobile as fuck and outdpsed by the flankers on midrange, so he cant do shit against genji,tracer. And that doesnt even count reflect in

I wanna try Overwatch, which hero is the hardest to play?

BotW was the hardest Zelda and I beat it in only two weeks

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>>384456528
I hope so an I hope that would at least give blizzard some incentive do something about it.

I don't know how to put it but the game just feels so boring after a while. The game tries hard to combine a FPS and MOBA elements yet everything is just so damn cookie cutter. Even more so than MOBAs them selves, as I remembered them the last time I played one.

the other thing that gets me personally, is that somehow every match is just a stomp. Either you do the stomping or you receive stomping. There just doesn't seem to be a balanced moment where both you and the enemy team can duke it out on equal skill level. No longer moments where your team regroups to strategize for the next team fight exists. Usually the first team fight is a pretty good indicator on which team is going to be stomping and which team is going to be on the receiving end, unless the winning team gets too cocky and then gets bum rushes by the enemy team at the last moment.

That's it, that's all the variety that I've been seeing every game, from QP to Ranked.

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>>384459916
One tricks are really the cancer keeping the game "Fun"

>>384460010
I told him the same but then he changed to Hanzo and now I just don't want to play with him anymore but not counting my mercymainGF he's the only person I know who's not shit at the game

>>384459963
they get fucked in the ass usually

anywhere between a 15-30% cut from their 'manager'/team owner, maybe an even larger cut to pay for expenses like team house etc etc

probably a big part of the reason seagull stopped being a pro so he could focus on streaming, although it probably didn't help him and his team were shit and couldn't even get a sniff at a win

I want to impregnate Mercy

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theyre killing it with garbage characters like orisa and doomfist. no one wanted this trash. jeff said at DICE Con that he intentionally changes character concepts to make them 'diverse" and "inclusive"

he is the death of overwatch. original designs and concepts were by someone else.

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I'm going back to the best game

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>1 year later and all new content is 2 new maps, 3 niggers and 1 trash looking robot

gee, I wonder why people got tired and moved on

>>384459882

Roadhog is hardcountered by everything as he has no armor, no shield, and no range. Maybe at shitter levels (this is why he was nerfed) he was tough to deal with but that's because people are stupid, literally all you do is shoot at him and it forces Roadhog behind cover, he charges the enemy ults incredibly fast and due to his lack of anything outside of a hook he gets blown up first in every engagement or if he steps out of position.

At the highest level he was incredibly fun, getting into Zarya vs Roadhog battles was fucking amazing. One side trying to outwit the other with hook angles and the other side trying to flick shields on hooked teammates.


Enjoy your dive meta.

>>384460139
>probably a big part of the reason seagull stopped being a pro


it was money, same reason Qtpie stopped, there's infinitely more money in streaming and way less work

See the problem is you're playing ranked

I just play it once in a while to ding heads as Zenyatta

>>384460274

The idea of ranked is to play with and against players of the same skill level as yourself and hopefully have evenly matched and fun games.

Matchmaking doesn't work and thus doesn't allow that, that's the issue.

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>>384460210
So you're saying he was only OP on lower levels but then say
>literally all you do is shoot at him and it forces Roadhog behind cover, he charges the enemy ults incredibly fast and due to his lack of anything outside of a hook he gets blown up first in every engagement or if he steps out of position.
So in lower levels where the hog doesn't have perfect gamesense and bad positioning he's broken af
but in higher tiers where he should never be caught out of position he's o.k.?

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So glad I didn't buy OW.

I could see already how repetitive and shallow the gameplay would be.

>>384456528
>Lots of people seem to be moving away from the game, including most of my friends and me who played the game religiously every day
>Played religiously every day
>Every. Day.

Don't do this, what the fuck.

>>384460389
stop anime posting

>>384460389
>Repetitive and shallow
>Watches japanese cartoons

As someone who also partakes in japanese cartoons I have to say that's pretty ironic

>>384460274
>try QP
>4 dps and some dspstanky copycat fuckhead playing lucio
>either chose another DPS and solidify this trash comp or pick a tank/healer and try to herd the retards to the objective.
Quickplay is fucking garbage.

>>384457563
This. Fuck normie gaming

>>384460210
dude...

roadhog was a constant meta pick even in pro tournaments, where pro players that know how to aim really well and can REALLY punish a roadhog.. but yet he was still picked, even though you say he's 'countered by everything'

he was in the meta at EVERY level, his hook and kill even on tanks was straight garbage, i will say that they nerfed him too hard, they could've just increased the time on his hook or stopped his right click from being a reliable mid range one shot on everything not a tank, but to say he wasn't broken is just dumb

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so tired of playing the same shit, versing the same shit every game

Why dont you play a real fps?

Overwatch is the nintendo of console wars

How does this make you feel?

>>384460703
Like what for instance?

Most of the old and good FPS games I have played to absolute fucking death.

If Overwatch was perfectly balanced every character would be Soldier 76.

>>384456528
I stopped playing a few months ago and I don't have any interest in going back. I really enjoyed it while it lasted but anything gets old after a while.

>>384460370

Pretty much, at low levels no one knows what to do and no one works together, this means that even if the Roadhog is equally braindead he has the advantage based solely on the fact the enemy team doesn't understand positioning and that all they have to do is shoot him.

At high levels no one had issues with Roadhog, he wasn't a top pick because he was too easy to counter and put a lot of stress on ult timing. Generally he was a pocket shock pick or was only used to counter a good Genji if your team lacked a good McCree. And again as stated a good Zarya could render a Roadhog useless, all it took was a single shield (you have a LOT of time to land it as the hook hits and reels) to ruin the combo, charge yourself, and now Roadhog has maybe 3 shots left with a long hook CD.

Roadhog was mostly relegated to being a counter pick or a pick used to cause the enemy to switch heroes. Fun, useful, but no more powerful than any other hero.

>>384460352
Ranked play requires you to play certain characters and obey the "meta" otherwise you are "trolling"

You are being a slave to arbitrary rules and you'll be punished by raging teammates if you don't follow them.

Quick play and custom servers are more entertaining/fun since no one cares about getting some special invisible title in a video game.

The game is stale and has no depth, like most of the shit neoblizzard does.
Im surprised it lasted that long, probably thanks to the art direction.

>>384460703
it's always a little sad that games like battlefield and rainbow siege didn't catch on

cod hasn't been 'great' since mw2, yet battlefield kept shitting the bed, and then siege actually had so much potential, but on the pc version they let hackers fuck everyone for too long before they did anything about it so a lot of people just dipped

i don't mind ow to an extent because it encourages team play at higher levels, but sometimes i do wish/wonder what the fps scene woulda looked like had those more team based games caught on instead of the arcadey ones

admittedly cod4/mw2 were great, but after every release after it just makes me wonder what coulda been different

>>384457353
>twitch consists of 10 relevant games at most anyway
>top 10
really gets your noggin joggin

>>384460736
Counterstrike is always on first place on Twitch, while having tournaments

How is this dead?

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>>384460642
>enemy team have a widow/hanzo
>Said widow/hanzo is doing O.K. against your herd of monkeys
>they start trashtalking
>Change from monkey to Gorilla Grodd
>Make them wish they never saw a gorilla dick again
This is why I play QP

i find it gets boring real and frustrating relatively quickly
mostly just enjoy making the occasional genji main butthurt as winston now

>>384456528
cute boy!

>>384460853
I said I've played old FPS games to fucking death. I don't want to play Counter-Stirke any longer. I've already put a decade into it.

>>384460815
read >>384460572

there were pros who got onto the scene simply because of their hog

>>384460824
This. People are convincing themselves that playing a certain way is somehow more fun. You are a fucking hostage to rules that don't exist technically. QP and brawl modes are the fun parts of overwatch.

And oh yeah forced 50/50 winrate..heh.

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>>384460451
>stop anime posting
>>384460482
>As someone who also partakes in japanese cartoons I have to say that's pretty ironic

Leave 4chan and never come back normie filth.

>>384461041
>And oh yeah forced 50/50 winrate..heh.

That's a total myth

Why do all Blizzard games lose many players? I thought Blizzard loves their fans.

>>384460996
Yeah better waste your time on a unbalanced childs game instead

>>384461034

There were people who got on the pro scene simply because of their Reinhardt, Lucio, Widowmaker, Genji, Pharah, McCree, Zarya, etc etc etc

Roadhog was fine and funnily enough the one hero preventing dive meta.

HMMMM....

>>384461062
>Literally say I also watch anime
>Make a joke about 99% of anime being shallow and repetitive
>Get called a normie

How far will this board go? where will it end?

>>384460187
Battleborn has cinematics?

>>384461130
you only argue my point but not his so let's try this:
dude...

roadhog was a constant meta pick even in pro tournaments, where pro players that know how to aim really well and can REALLY punish a roadhog.. but yet he was still picked, even though you say he's 'countered by everything'

he was in the meta at EVERY level, his hook and kill even on tanks was straight garbage, i will say that they nerfed him too hard, they could've just increased the time on his hook or stopped his right click from being a reliable mid range one shot on everything not a tank, but to say he wasn't broken is just dumb.


I agree that dive is too good but that's not only because road got nerfed, Mcreee nerf,
dva buff and so on helped too

>>384461102
it's not totally a myth, the more you win, the more the game will give you harder matches to try and see where you fall at, so in a way it will kind of keep you at 50/50 if you're around your plateau

but like, if pro players/good players can make multiple smurfs and climb to gm+, then obviously you can be good enough to not go 50/50, you just have to be good enough to climb, i've definitely seen pro players lose in diamond/plat before because their team was just that ass, but that's only like 1 or 2 losses and then they're out of the bracket with like 10 wins in a row lol

Do you think this would be an opportunate time for Randy to release Battleborn Remastered?

>>384461354
It'd be a good time to change Free Trial to Free to Play and do a little more marketing than telling people to play your game on twitter

>>384461263
he actually prevented every meta besides tank because he could one shot any non tank

even when d.va was fully broken.. guess who countered d.va still? fucking roadhog lol

people blame ana but she just happened to synergize well with the tank meta, ana didn't even get nerfed that hard healing wise yet the tank meta still went to dive because roadhog stopped being a thing so people didn't need to stop playing squishies anymore

>>384458991
>>384459126
This. People whining about 50% win rates and being hard stuck in gold or whatever generally deserve their rank.

It's the situation like on league of legends. All the shitters complain the game forces them to stay plat or whatever but you have thousands of people posting videos where they literally hard carry and climb from bronze to Challenger.

>>384458371
Got about 220 or so hours in. The lack of maps is the only thing that really annoys me about it. Game browser and arcade modes are still fun tho. I think I'll move on to siege next when I get tired of it. Or doom. Doom had a pretty good mp when I played it last.

>>384457657
Not every character needs to be viable in the meta, that would make every character bland and boring to play for the sake of balance. IN regular competitive play Orisa or any other new hero is fine since less than 1% of the playerbase actually define and use the metagame to its full potential. Blizzard can't really be to blame for the sperglord playerbase that lose their shit and throw as soon as they see an off-meta pick.

>>384461557
It's the same for every single rating based teamgame I've played so far
Shitters will bitch and moan and complain about the MMR system and their teammates, while good players will just consistently blow past the shitter ranks

>>384461808
death match for qp and team death for qp would help a lot

they really need to like.. release more than one map at a time, tho, i'd prefer to wait an extra month or two to get like 2-3 maps at once, it makes things much more fresh for longer

i feel like tdm/dm would allow thm to make much more 'simple' maps as well, it must be hard to think up good obj maps that have a totally different look/feel than the ones you've already done

>>384456528
I wouldn't say dieing, but its not in a good place. The issues are becoming more and more apparent. The balancing is coming way too slow in general, which causes one meta to creep up and then get stuck there for far too long periods of time. This wouldn't be so bad if heroes came out more to maybe shake it up a little, but those are ALSO coming out too slow.

Comp has kinda gotten bad, but QP has become far far far worse due to people being completely uninterested in playing as a team. Which in turn forces people to play comp without being super serious, and in turn causes that to be shittier.

>>384461935
Closest thing to tdm is a custom skirmish game.

However this type of game doesn't really lend itself well to straight up dm and none of the maps are designed for it. Still, one can hope.

I love how much of the complaining is about the game getting stale. Said people also likely have 400+ hours in the game.
Maybe take a break once in a fucking while and do more than play just overwatch 20+ hours a week, hm?
(spoiler]Or get a job.

>>384461957
quick play is great hero practice cause everyone is so random and does their own shit lol

the balancing is a bit of an issue, rein breaking with bugs and hog getting a bit too heavy of a nerf basically has made it a dive meta for a good chunk of time

it's also highlighting that there's a lack of good anti-flankers

mccree could handle a genji or a tracer decently enough, but.. the dive meta is like 3 dps heros, and mccree can't deal with tracer, genji, and winston at the same time, and mccree is like the only 'good' flank defender, sombra is decent too but then you still need another dps to help because sombra does shit damage

tracer, genji, and winston are all viable together, sombra and mccree at the same time just.. isn't lol

>>384462219
McCree can't even consistently deal with those flankers. It's nowhere close to the overwhelmingly in favour it's supposed to be and much closer to a 50/50, which is pathetic considering all the mobility they have on him

>>384462101
they'd need new maps obv, maybe some of the koth/2cp maps might work but yeah, i just don't get why they don't make such an obvious game mode

>>384462219
>quick play is great hero practice cause everyone is so random and does their own shit lol

That is exactly why its shitty practice. You're learning nothing but bad play from it. At most you're practicing aim.

>the balancing is a bit of an issue, rein breaking with bugs and hog getting a bit too heavy of a nerf basically has made it a dive meta for a good chunk of time

Its not just that, though Hog's nerf was wildly overdue. Its the same problem Tank Meta had, in that changes just happened WAY too slowly to even begin to fix it. So the meta would stay and stay and stay until months down the line when they'd barely start tweaking.

>it's also highlighting that there's a lack of good anti-flankers

Anti-pretty much anything is kinda lacking in the game. For a game about counters, theres surprisingly few effective ones.

>>384462109
>stop judging the product
>doesn't even know how to spoiler

>>384462331
that's true, but one flanker vs one mccree is still basically negligible

but the dive meta is 3 chars deep, and there isn't 3 anti-flankers, and the anti flankers that there are just don't have the synergy to deal with the 3 flankers

you either have to go dive as well, or your dps needs to be better than the dive team dps, who all have an advantage really

>>384462219
>quick play is great hero practice
>playing in a environment where everyone is picking dumb garbage so you can't play with/against certain encounters or synergistic combos that you'll find normally in ranked games
It's shit practice.

>>384462219
>>384462383
>>384462639

QP is great for mechanical training, getting the hang of all the intricacies of the hero, the timings and whatnot

>>384462219
>quick play is great hero practice
I hope you're joking

>>384462331
McCree easily wins a 1v1 against Tracer, is favoured against Genji, and doesn't have much trouble against Winston.

The problem is he simply can't deal with all 3 at once and no other hero has enough lockdown to help out.

>>384462681
By that logic, playing a custom match or vs bots is also great mechanical training.

>>384462404
What is "A typo" for 500, Alex?
And I'm not saying you can't judge the product, but maybe you should look at your play time and how much spare time in general you have before proclaiming something stale. More likely you are consuming too much overwatch between the game itself and shit like streams rather than taking a break for another game or hobby.

>>384462383
the tank meta was a combination of things, mostly everyone clicking that roadhog was a god at everything, he was a tank AND a dps, with the tankiest hero along with a huge self heal

however, it's also EXACTLY the problem of the current dive meta...

just like mccree can't handle multiple flankers, reaper can't handle multiple tanks, so the tank buster isn't even good against the tank meta

the anti-flanker isn't even good against the dive meta

doomfist honestly might've been good against the tank meta, and he will probably help somewhat keep it at bay as he has such large damage to go with the reaper buffs, but right now there needs to be more anti dive, and outside of a new hero without them nerfing one of the flankers, i don't see who they can really buff besides i guess giving sombra more damage, but.. that's a slippery fucking slope to do on a stealth character that could so easily be broken

although, winston's shield could probably be nerfed a little, or his jump, just a couple seconds on either of them would make him way less disruptive, i guess i'd nerf the shield to stop him from being able to jump in and out so easily, that alone would probably stop tracer and genji form being as effective with him since he wouldn't be around as much

>>384456528
>People have their gold weapons and rank so they have nothing left to achieve through comp
If only the gameplay itself was worth it!

>>384462372
They're kind of hamstrung by the roster, really. Any dm game would quickly turn into a camp-fest with widows and hanzos and mcrees and no one would ever play healer. With the heroes as they are they need an objective to force teamwork, which is really the only way they can work effectively.

Of course if they just tweaked them specifically for dm that'd be another story.

>>384460642
How do you get to 478 levels and not learn another character?

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>>384462746
bots are predictable, players are not
but yes, if you're turning on the game for the first time bots are 100% the best practice method to get to know the heroes and their mechanics.
As you progress QP will be a better place to improve as you add the unpredictability of other players.
what is good training for you depends on your varying levels in whatever you wanna train.

Terrible mechanics? Start off with AI, then go to QP and just fucking grind the hero
Terrible gamesense? Watch pros, watch tournaments and play. A. LOT.
Terrible at teamplay? communicate, try every single game to talk with your team, which only works in competitive.

>>384462746
>It's shit practice.
not really, the movement isn't the same, and their aim is too good so you can't really practice aiming or strafing very well

at least with qp, you can look at the teams and pick stuff that will help or whatever, so it can help game sense and mechanical, custom ai is really only good for map awareness to an extent, a custom vs players with tons of hp might be good for mechanics lol

>>384456694
>matches people of the same level
>people in your game are just as likely to immediately go back into queue after match as you
gee, i wonder why you're playing the same people? if you don't want to play a game with those people wait five minute after you finish a match and then queue up, significantly lowers your chance of running into the same people again.

>>384458438
that spike... someone explain

>>384462981
>and their aim is too good so you can't really practice aiming or strafing very well
You can just give yourself virtually endless life and them no damage through custom settings
Still an artificial situation, but decent to practice aim

>>384463026
A new set of cosmetics.
Or maybe a sale during the summer sale thing.
I don't remember.

>>384462865
Thats kinda my point, yeah.

Honestly I wouldn't nerf anything in the current Meta besides MAYBE Genji? The problem is as you said, theres no real options to go against a good set of flankers. Doomfist seriously will help since hes one of the few Anti-dive heroes I can actually think of but the game seriously needs more of everything.

>>384463063
i suppose, but the ai doesn't move anything like a human, so it's not really helping very much, it's kind of a placebo affect if anything, the best thing it's good for is warming up your aim probably, i don't think it really improves much because of the artificial movement

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>>384456528
Every season the players are worse and worse.
Im at 2600 and I just stomp games and then auto lose 3 in a row because people are going roadhog, no tank, 1 healer, and 5 dps vs winston and genji.

I used to play with my friend who was one of the best heavies in all of tf2 and hes barely like lvl 70 and his avg dps is like 25k-30k and we still cant fucking carry because everyone is fucking mentally retarded.

After about two weeks of constantly screaming at people he refuses to play it anymore because everyone is too fucking trash. People have like 9k avg dps in our games as a dps main and talking shit to him and I try and calm him down but he just unleashes the fury and he tilts everyone because hes screams at them full volume and you just sorta hear them whimper mid sentence when he bursts out the drill instructor voice and blows their speakers.

I legit auto muted him in game and put a PTM on him because it was happening nonstop.
Everyone has this attitude in the game and hes not the kind of guy that lets people talk shit to him and he puts them in their place. So now I dont even have my friend to play with anymore and im just stuck with all these shitters.

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>>384456528
Thinking back on overwatch, I think the only good thing to come out of it is all the porn, coincidentally not made by blizzard.

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The game denies physics for most heroes despite having a big cast. Even those heroes who have fun physics
are limited by their cooldowns and design, such a pharah and junkrat. Also some heroes are designed around
rpg/moba mechanics, no wonder people keep trolling about the game being a moba fps. Because of this most
heroes in general have no depth: the only aspect players refine beyond an easy hero mastery is team play and
aim. This along with no community mods/content for more casual fun, can make the game go repetitive for some
players.

>>384463160
QP doesn't help much either. Sure, you have people moving more like a person does, but often those movements aren't the type of thing you'd see in a competitive setting either. What you get in mechanical practice, you basically lose out on in prediction and in turn learn bad habits yourself.

>>384463160
I think that's what makes it okay to practice aim, you can't really mindgame the AI like you can humans, so most aiming is raw and not supported by movement for a clear-cut mouse aim training
Of course eventually you figure out the AI movement patterns and this goes to shit

>>384463135
naw, genji and tracer are in a pretty good place, i don't think there's much you can really touch with them, the only thing i would say is even mildly broken on genji is his reflect hitbox, i guess that could get nerfed but it wouldn't help much

i think winston's barrier would be better, so they'd have to be more picky/patient at least and not so aggressive

i guess doomfist could sorta be good for flankers? he could kinda camp with his right click, since charging a flanker doesn't really expose you to death from the enemy team as easily, but doomfist is garbage against a 'standard' comp of 2/2/2

i guess... he might be good against both the tank and dive meta? he just can't be aggressive or he'll get fucked like a charging rein

>>384457045
>Overwatch's main appeal is its style and art design
Only appeal desu.

>>384462865
I think doom fist will stop the dive meta. His tools ignore shields and can stop movement abilities. Time will tell if his damage is enough.

>>384463430
>Desu
What the fuck I swear on my timbs I didn't write that

>>384463208
Post uncensored version.

>>384463473
his right click is like a 5 second one shot or whatever, as long as they don't nerf it he'll be fine lol, his gun and uppercut are good enough finishers otherwise

i'm still confused about his ult tho, i think it might only be good in the middle of a fight where people can't just run as easily

>>384463319
Junkrat's conc jump is the worst fucking shit.
You lose so much forward momentum for no apparent reason.
>>384463473
I hope so. He might be able to bring Zarya back into the fray since they synergize so well.
>>384463587
hownew.ru

Why do nu-gamers need a shitty progression treadmill? The Quake fags never needed this shit.

>>384463587
Hownew.ru

>>384456528
yeah probably until they do some massive event with more lore and a new character that isn't a massive disappointment like Doomfist. I can't believe my faggot "friends" play this shit religiously

>>384463621
Gambling problem

>>384463619

the zarya buff to her ult stopping movement skills from getting out of her ult will already help, she kinda sucked against dive because all the dps could jump out of it lol

>>384463390
>nerfing winston again

Shit opinion discarded

>>384463597
I found it and the artist too.
You can do it.

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Started losing interest when Jeff Kaplan was talking about

>how they balance for Quick play
>thought Symmetra was borderline broken
>Torb is OP
>Roadhog needed a nerf
>the rampant hypocrisy when they added Doomfist
>Shitty maps like Horizon
>Enforced meta (Dive)
>Buffing already OP heroes just because 'low pickrate' in shit ranks(Winston)
>Believes the meta changes on its own, when in fact it only changes when they make changes

>>384463692
What she needs is a buff to gain rate, it is ridiculously slow

>>384463619
>>384463630
Too now, still too old desu

>>384463758
his shield and jump being about the same timer is aids, his shield needs to be less so he can't harass as much, he enables the flank heroes too much, reaper isn't really that good against him because between the shield and the jump he can usually get out before a reaper can even kill him lol

>>384463179
you 2 just suck
handle it

>>384463390
His reflect hitbox and potentially his swift strike refresh. Especially since you can do things like Swift Strike - Ult - Swift strike again - score a kill - Swiftstrike a third time which lets you cover absurd amounts of ground and do stupid amounts of damage.

Winston is kinda annoying to play against, but theres a lot of counters for him normally. The problem is more that the other flankers limit what you can bring into a match too much.

>>384463893
His shield needs a SHORTER cooldown, what are you smoking

It was originally nerfed because people were dual winston, and multi-heroes got removed from competitive since.

>>384463692
She's getting buffed?
Link to the notes please?

>>384463758
I think D.va needs the nerf more than Winston.
If D.va gets a nerf maybe Reaper can actually deal with the gorilla isntead of getting fucked by defense matrix

>>384463824
naw, her ult is too strong, good zaryas are still REALLY scary, she's viable in everything but dive, and even now with the movement cancelling on her ult, she's at least not a terrible pick again

>>384459334
Yeah six of the same hero joke comps every game was so much fun.

>>384463179
>it is literally everyone else and not me!

same here man

that feel when too skilled at the game

that feel when no one else is good as me which is why my team loses all the time

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>>384463814
>symmetra not broken
>winston op

>>384463758
>If they were nerfed once its totally enough and the character is balanced forever!

Winston main detected. Can't wait until your micropenis ape gets nerfed into uselessness.

>>384463936
tru, maybe it could refresh 50% of the cool down per kill instead of being instant or something

>>384463951
On the one hand i'm hesitant to nerf D.Va on the other hand she COMPLETELY shuts down multiple ults and is annoying as a cunt to kill. It's the way her shield works is the problem.

>>384464046
Can't escape the tickle gun? Shit anon tell your team to actually pay attention

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>>384460863
>Switch to bastion and absolutely demolish the faggot winston picker.

Have fun running away from my aim, retard.

>>384463942
shorter? what the fuck? so he can permanently stay in a fight in a shield?

fuck that, he can jump in, shield, and jump out around the time his shield is actually broken

pro winstons like never die for a reason

I dropped this game after S1, but what killed it for me for good was when they did their event with the absolute worst implementation of capture the flag I have ever played.

>>384464073
Or just give it a hard cap of only one refresh and then it needs to cooldown normally. A good Genji can do obnoxious stuff with that mechanic as it is now. Or they could cut the distance in like half, since its stupid long as is.

>>384463893
>>384463951
>>384464046
How about buffing the others characters instead of nerfing winston?
I'm tired of this supid monkey, but I wish there would be much more viable heroes, that "blizzard balancing" meme is getting tiring.

>Blizzard game
>Dying

You know not the powers you trifle with

There must always be an Overwatch

>>384463621
Helps with the crippling feeling that you're wasting time doing nothing of value when you get pretend rewards.

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good thing felmyst is coming in 2 days

>>384458456
he used black adam and still get fucked up

>>384463621
Because games aren't fun enough to play for fun anymore.

I only just completed my placements, with the toxicity levels where they are and the cancer coming over the chat/leavers/etc it's no fun to play which is a shame. QP is fine for now but when you try and push for the objective and people are clowning around then they tell you to go to comp if you want to take it seriously. So I've found myself playing more and more total mayhem where it's chill as fuck. I liked comp as it gave you something to work on and push towards - a bit skinner box esque like COD. However the difference being you could only go up in rank in COD.

>>384456528
>Mercy is best girl

Stopped reading there.

>>384464204
I'm the middle post.
I said D.va should be nerfed instead of Winston.
Reaper should easily be able to deal with him, but practically every game that has a Winston also has a D.va sucking his tiny Gorilla dick with defense matrix.
Honestly I'd love a good laser-based character that isn't reliant on a gimmick to do substantial damage. That could cut down on all of the D.va picks.

>>384464204
they're ALMOST at a good place

if they make an anti-dive tank or something, just like a pure anti-dive, then pretty much every meta will be able to be countered, and you'll finally see more flexibility

reaper + doomfist + sombra + orisa can mitigate the tank meta really nicely

but there's just not enough to counter the dive meta, especially because the supports are the one that pay the most

the problem is.. trusting blizz to release a proper anti-dive hero next, and not some weeby offense/defense hero

>>384464305
Anon please I JUST fapped

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>>384464139
>Get the sniperfag so mad the changes to bastion
It's still a win

we both know no widow/hanzo main will ever change, they'll bitch at their team,
bitch at the winston and in the end do nothing

>>384464350
Bullshit.

>>384464353
The only gamemode i play on this piece of shit is 3v3, even so when im not queuing with my friend that shit is absolutely hell.

>You + 2 diamond shitters against 3 GMs/t500s

EVERY FUCKING TIME.

This is what i get for being a t500 myself, it sucks ass playing solo, the game WILL force you against good players with shitters on your team

>>384456694
yeah, it sounds like you should be against of with people from the previous game

>>384457191
>your personal anecdotes are meaningless
>works for me theehee xd

Also million of ACTIVE players? Got any prove?

>>384462219
>quick play is great hero practice cause everyone is so random and does their own shit
It's horrible practice because it doesn't remotely resemble a competitive game situation.
If you're a bad FPS player who hasn't even gotten the most basic of basics mastered you might gain something from it, but otherwise it's shit because the situations that come up in QP won't happen in competitive and all you've learned is worthless.

>>384464506
NEW SUPPORT WHEN REEEEEEEEEE

>>384464014
>tfw you watch people fuck up so many things that even if you were coaching them, you wouldnt be able to communicate all the endless fuckups they are doing

>im a dps main!!!
>9k dmg
>22% accuracy
>*sounds of torb on attack*

I really wish I could just leave the game because I can tell immediately that we are going to lose and just take the loss and let me requeue again to reroll the dice. Fucking wasting my time for 20 minutes with this fucking stupid ass shit.

>>384464526
>Sniper main
*Hitscan main

Most of the time ill simply shit all over the winston as widow still.

I barely play her nowdays, the hitboxes on this game are absolutely atrocious and the fact that this game has no strafe acceleration makes sniping a pain in the ass

>>384463587
>Reddit hates Overwatch.
So the truth comes out.

>Play team based game solo
>Wonder why you are having a bad time.

Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

>>384464747
>tfw you use a null cancelling script and people in this game can't hit you at all

>>384464810
Unless you play with a full team always, you're going to have the same experiences.

>>384464696
And you are totally perfect and are incapable of fucking up, right?
Get over yourself. If you're getting people like that, then clearly your rank isn't that high and you aren't doing enough to help the team do better.

>>384464810
This, especially if you be an anti-social fucktard who only bitches about his team.

>>384464882
You don't even need a nullscript to fuck shit up.

This game is completely broken when it comes to movement.

Who the fuck thought that having literally ZERO friction/acceleration on strafing would be a good idea?

Combo that with the shitty ass female models and the accelerated jumping animations and you have the nightmare of any aimer.

I still have all my accuracies above 53% but this game is extremely frustrating. it doesn't feel fun tracking those glitchy ass targets.

>>384456528
My problem was the attitudes of other players. The game was fun really fun but now I feel that unless you play with a 6 stack the remainder of your team either throws games because they died once or they're on a second account so they don't care about winning. It makes the game hard to enjoy in a competitive sense.

For the same reason, quickplay is unenjoyable. It's a mode where nobody cares so nothing happens and if the opposing team has that 3 or 4 stack you can't really do anything.

The game is designed to be played with friends much like Left 4 dead and although that appeals to me it makes it hard to play when they aren't available.

At the start of Season 2 I was playing with a 6 stack. It's Season 5 and there's 3 of us left. It's just not the same.

On a further note, this has nothing to do with win/loss ratio. I still sit around High Master/Low Grandmaster regardless. It's just that the game doesn't feel appealing to me without friends.

>>384465078
you don't need nullscript in general, it's useful for people with clumsy fingers but people can be capable of having the coordination to alternate their key presses easily enough

it certainly helps people who can't do that tho, sure

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>Competitive Overwatch

I laugh erry time, just like when I read

>Competitive Smash

We should make Hungry Hungry Hippos competitive too.

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>>384463932
>>384464014
Not that guy, but

>Playing ranked in season 2 or 3
>Doing fairly well, reach high plat after winning most my matches
>lose 3 times in a row to better players, take a short break and try to play again later
>after this break I cannot for the life of me get a win
>lose every game, ELO loss skyrockets because of the consecutive loses counting more than how well you did.
>drop down to low gold
>say "fuck it" and insta lock Reaper
>go in hard as fuck, kill 3 to 4 enemies per life every encounter
>enemies are fucking horrible, their Mercy will run into me face first so she can endlessly heal her full health Zarya
>despite this we still lose
>I have gold damage and eliminations
>after the game I have a card for 71% kill participation
>I solo killed almost everyone I damaged
>despite being the source of half my teams kills I still couldn't carry them to a win

The game actively limits what a single player can accomplish by having different roles and by having abilities on cool downs. Also the ELO system sucks dick, because there's no real good way to measure a single players ability against his teammates. In CSGO you gain and lose ELO based on who you kill and who kills you. I've had like 8 game loss streaks in CSGO that resulted in a rank down, I then won 2 games and instantly ranked back up because it's much easier to measure an individuals input towards a victory in that game. OW's ranking system is just kinda fucked from the get go, that and the games meta is gross.

The game feels like it took the more shallow aspects of moba and mashed them into a shallow fps.

>>384456528
So... this is the daily is Overwatch dying thread?
A couple of notes: Blizzard is balancing poorly and not making changes very often. Patching a few small things a week to increase the viability of more heroes would go a long way towards shutting up detractors. That said, most of the hero pool is good depending on the circumstance. Sombra, torb, sym, mei, and yes even hanzo can be good situational picks. It would be hard to buff mei any more without her ruining every game she's in for instance. That said, why not shake things up more often? If the meta constantly evolved during the course of a season, I think the lack of content would be far less evident, since people would be able to play the entire cast competitively. It is still an enjoyable game, but if Blizzard continually does as they are known to do, they WILL kill it.

>>384465490
Overwatch makes Smash look like 7D Chess in comparison

>>384465558
>The game actively limits what a single player can accomplish by having different roles and by having abilities on cool downs.

Its almost as if the point of the game is to play as a team.

>>384465558
reaper has never been a carry hero, he's too slow

same with soldier and mccree, they're a bit better because range but, they kill too slow generally

zarya for team wipes, genji for the same + quick kills, tracer for harassing, widow and hanzo for one shots

i did the same shit as you did in low plat in season.. 2 or 3 i think? i was a soldier main before his buff but i would gold elims/damage every match, and getl ike 50-70% kill rate and kill 2-3 people every push

but he's a shit carry hero and still is, you need to be able to one/two tap at the start of a push, or be a flanker and able to pre-emptively dumpster so you don't lose any of your team too quickly

tldr, reaper is too slow to carry, by the time you kill those 2-3 people, most of your team is probably already dead if they're bad

>>384465051
Well like I said my friend is a top tf2 player who played against people like harblu and we cant carry the shitters. You cant carry in this game. Its team based.

Sure you can kill 3 or 4 people but that wont make your team do the fucking objective.
All that happens is that the enemy team ignores your retarded teammates and uses them to charge their ults and then they chain ult on you and shut you down by hitting you with 3 or 4 ults simultaneously or one after another and theres nothing you can do to stop that. The other members have to contribute something and they honestly fucking cant.

They sit there being reaper shooting at pharmercy and just die over and over taking rockets to the face and then blame Hanzo because blaming Hanzo is the reason for everything.
They dont understand why they are losing and they dont have the skill level to force their pick down other's throats.

I mean sure I might fuck up once every few games but other then that I dont. What usually happens is I depend on people to defend me and they dont or position themselves and they dont or to kill someone and they dont. More often then not everyone ends up dying and I just walk sadly back to our spawn to reset and I wave at the enemy and they wave back at me.

Had a guy the other night throw a 2/0 Nepal because half the team wasn't in voice chat

Like... why throw a confirmed win to be petty

>>384466236
you can absolutely carry in the game, or top 500 players/gms/pros wouldn't make multiple smurfs and solo their way back up

you just need to be actually good, and know what hero to play against what comp to carry

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>>384463814

>muh "balance"
>thinking a shitty MOBA shooter designed for the broadest audience possible is a real competitive game

>>384464810
OW is generally worse with this, due to how dependent you are on the team to accomplish anything.

>>384465734
>Its almost as if the point of the game is to play as a team.

I like how everyone uses this false argument when bringing up the fact that it's a team game. Quake and CS both work well as team games, yet you can still stomp a team full of shit players if you're good enough in them.

Forced teamwork via gimping a player is bad game design.

>>384465998
>tldr, reaper is too slow to carry, by the time you kill those 2-3 people, most of your team is probably already dead if they're bad

They usually wouldn't be due to how high Reaper's DPS is, it's just that they were hopeless by themselves and couldn't push the cart or kill for the life of them.

Either way, many aspects of OW make it unfun and not a good comp game. The game was already built from the ground up to be a casual game to appeal to people who don't like shooters, and there's next to no advanced mechanics in it to keep it interesting at higher levels beyond some coordination.

>>384466374
You just need to play consistently well and often enough so that your overall wins overshadow your inevitable loses. the majority of games will have players be on the same skill level, so one player doing slightly more will tip the odds in his favor, this ain't carrying.

>>384466374
you mean like how that one guy on reddit bought a ton of accounts and was placed in ranks based on how many matches he won and he got placed in every single rank based on his win amount and it had nothing to do with anything he actually did in each game?

>>384466236
i made more points about hero selection in the post right above yours, just because you kill 2-4 people a push yourself doesn't mean anything if you don't do it before the rest of your team already died

you have to play a hero that's quick and can kill an enemy or two before an engagement, or you need to play a hero that can all but guarantee a wipe on their own, and in some situations, you need to be able to know when to switch to d.va or something like ana/zen and carry on them, just because you're great at genji for example who is a good carry hero, doesn't mean you can get an easy path to gm for yourself being a great genji, if the other team has a winston and other stuff to counter you, it won't really matter if you're good at it

I love playing as Zenyatta
>knowing that I have a decent shot vs about every hero in the game
>those satisfying pings on repeated headshots
>high dmg while healing and debuffing
>charged rightclick instakills
>eating multiple enemy ults with mine

>>384456528
>season 5
what the fuck
are seasons yearly?

>start off in bronze in S2 (I actually ignored S1) because my sister played my placement matches
>mostly continue to ignore comp until S4, where I was tired of Hanzos in QP and realized comp gives more exp
>reach middle gold in S5
>suddenly I am mathmatically enforced to remain in that position because I literally win 3 matches and then lose the next 3

I already have my golden gun, so yeah, I won't be fighting a hopeless battle against rigged matchmaking that enforces 50/50. Better off playing Doom.

>>384457031
they should jettison their old IPs and make new stuff.

>>384466617
you have to level up in qp and shit generally to get to level 25 to do comp, that mmr is also carried over, so unless he played the same hero and had about the same win %, that doesn't really mean all that much, and doesn't change the fact that pro players can climb from whatever rank solo to top 500 by themselves, people keep saying you can't carry, but you absolutely can, almost every gm smurf can get back up there

>>384466768
They're seasons, so no.

>>384466597
>I like how everyone uses this false argument when bringing up the fact that it's a team game. Quake and CS both work well as team games, yet you can still stomp a team full of shit players if you're good enough in them.
>Forced teamwork via gimping a player is bad game design.

The fact that you can solo carry in those games actually says more that they aren't really team games. Sure, you can work together, but when individual skill matters more than teamwork, then the game is focused not on the team aspect.

I just play it for the waifus now desu

The comp is pandering far too much to the adhd ridden 10 year olds that populate it, then again I don't have a solution to the cancer so who am I to say?

All I know is I did like climbing the ranks in comp but the experience now is at least 75% babysitting 'mains' who will throw abuse if you don't bend to their whims.

I just play total mayhem/qp and buy my 50 boxes every event :^)

>>384467035
Ok so you don't know much about Quake or CS

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>>384456528
I never play competitive, mostly because it exacerbates the problems already present in the game (lack of communication and the absolutely dreadful community) and because to me it seems like a waste of time just levelling up to either get a golden skin for your weapons or as a dick measuring contest.
The thing is I also never play overwatch except for tuesdays when I get the arcade mode boxes.
Again, to me the biggest problem for OW are its community and the reliace you have on them, for example the online games I play (Toxxik, GG and R6 Siege) all rely on your skill (even R6 to an extent even if it is a team game) and if you are shit you lose but in OW doesnt matter what character you choose, you still need the other people and it leaves little room for individual skill and dont get me started on how people on Comp. will throw games if you dont choose a specific hero they think is the optimal choice for a guaranteed win.
Its still a somewhat fun game, where you can have some casual fun but when you try to make it something its not (competitive e-sports lite) thats when you start with the problems.
Also, Tracer is best girl even if shes a rug muncher.

>>384467054
most kids do better at support and tank heroes, so i think as far as playing goes they actually preferred the tank/slower metas

dive meta might be more fun for most people to watch, but i think a lot of people will honestly say they actually liked the shitty fucking tank meta compared to the dive meta, i've heard more than one pro player say it as well

>>384456528
Overwatch is not fun

Just look at Dafran. He had his fun, but got banned. The whole Overwatch ISIS thing is free speech, but he still got banned, because he had fun.

And the sr system is punishing you for having fun.

>>384467035
>>384467107
A Connor bot literally aced a faceit tournament the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syM0RhUIMeQ