Time to settle this, /v/

3 is a good time. fun story and characters, fun gameplay across memorable individual areas

I enjoyed 2 but 3 is always the one I want to play more. also, not sure why but it seems to be a controversial opinion to think that 4 is complete trash

Those results go to show the average IQ of /v/, I'm not surprised though.

MGS3 is for children.
MGS2 is for men.

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>>384454265
ARE YOU READY?

Kek here comes the pretentious mgs 2 fags

>>384456498
nothing's gonna happen

>>384456498
Came and went, nothing happened beyond a tweet.

But TGS for sure, amirite?

MGS3 was the better game
MGS2 was the better MGS-game

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V > 1 = 2 > 3 >>> iV

>>384457135
So, which one is the better game overall to you? Like, if you had to make a top 100 games list, which would you rank higher?

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>>384454265
2 by a longshot.

3 was fanservice for the brainlet demographic.

>>384456428
>4 is complete trash
>controversial opinion
That's just fact, mate

>>384457954
OUT
>>384457994
2

>>384457954
Imagine being THIS FUCKING WRONG

3 > 2 > 4 > V> PW
(haven't played 1 or PO, so I'm not gonna try and rank)

>>384458383
2 without 1 just doesn't work imo

>>384458383
This list is rough, and further thought could shift my ranking. MGS3 stays on top, though.

>>384458457
Never really had an opportunity to play 1, but when I do, I'll make sure to give 2 another run to see what I think. For me though, nothing can beat Snake Eater.

>>384458461
>>384458539
Manchildren.

>>384458571
Maybe, but can you explain why I'm WRONG?

>>384458123
2 was fanservice for the smug demographic

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2 is my favorite.
But I completely understand 1 and 3 as answers of course.

MGS2>3 Story
MGS3>2 Gameplay
However story matters way more than gameplay in MGS and 2 has the best of series. 3 is still pretty good though, dont know how you could like one of these games and dislike the other.

>>384458730
2 is really good, but I'm not sure I'd it can match the sheer joy I get from playing through Snake Eater.

Snake Eater.

Its better in every aspect compared to 2 (plot, gameplay, settings, boss fights, player character, etc...)

Come on, how in the world is MGS 2 better than 3?
>The game had no memoriable bosses
>Raiden was a terrible introduction
>Unnecessary love story, Bomb defusing and Swimming
>Ocelot arm of jerking off
The complex ideas of MGS2 were just never MGS1.

>>384458941
don't forget the Patriot bullshit

>>384458773
>dont know how you could like one of these games and dislike the other.
this is exactly my sentiment thank you anon

>>384458941
It's a self aware post-ironic art piece, while 3 is just a game.
2 literally cucked everyone into playing it and disappointed them on purpose just to prove it can.

>>384458863
it's better, but you can't claim it's because of better bosses or gameplay neccesarily. It is a lot more hit and miss, whilst mgs 2 was near perfect.

>>384459337
>but you can't claim it's because of better bosses or gameplay neccesarily

why not? The controls in 3 worked because the level design worked. The bosses were also interesting and varied.

>>384459427
3 was broken as shit without the free form camera in subsistence

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>>384458773
>mgs3 gameplay
>good
>MENUS MENUS MENUS

>>384460195
and minimal backtracking.

Unlike 2 where you need to backtrack all the time because of the shit level design of Big Shell

>>384460195
I say mgs3 is better because i found big shell very repetitive and the new camera mode.

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>>384459896
This. Everybody praising Snake Eater has never played through that shit as intended

>>384460449
>Everybody praising Snake Eater has never played through that shit as intended

what do you mean?

>Big Shell
>Bad

Lmao it's great and better designed than any level in MGS3. The interconnection is great. It looks good. It's got a lot of interesting stuff to discover.

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>>384460318
mgs3 has fuck loads of backtracking, you go through grozny grad like 3 times

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>>384460593
*blocks your path*

>>384460524
With a fixed camera.

>>384460805
Elaborate please

I had more fun playing 3 than 2. That's the purpose of a game.

>>384461293
you have to go through that badly designed strut many times

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>>384454265
mgs3 derailed the series to revolve around "muh edgy sad war lord"

>>384461514
how is it badly designed again?

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I like both

>>384461514
Not that, the remake part of the filename

>>384460449
Miller?

>>384454265
>mgs1
best story
meh gameplay
>mgs2
great story
ok gameplay
>mgs3
good story
good gameplay
>mgs4
ok story
great gameplay
>mgsV
meh story
best gameplay

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Okay but who is Sunny's dad?

>>384462265
Sergei

>>384454265
>Which game is better?
2, clearly

What a thrill

>>384462265
HIDEOT KOJIMER

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>>384454265
Metal Gear Mobile BTFO both of them

>>384462259
>MGS1
>best story
you are retarded

>>384462259
>>mgs2
>ok gameplay

>>384454265
MGS 3 for me, because I'm a sucker for a jungle setting during cold war. Just was more fun to me than a tanker and an off shore platform.

>>384463240
It is though, it stands on it's own without being bogged down by any meta "dude this sequel is SUPPOSED to be exactly like MGS1" nonsense or 50 years of lore about muh war between zero and big boss

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>>384463190
Ghost Babel for GBC tops it

>>384463676
Why did the FOXHOUND unit, including Liquid, try so hard to kill Snake if the plan all along was for him to activate Metal Gear?

>>384464285
Because plot

>>384463676
>it stands on its own
>a derivate as fuck westaboo story of a japanese video-game written by non-writers
MGS2, despite being meta, stands on its own in terms of writing way more than MGS1

>>384454265
The one that actually tries to be a fun game and not a tech demo too busy trying to shove a pretentious message on your face.

>>384464285
I don't think they planned that all along, only after he escaped capture I think

MGS2 is the best Metal Gear and arguably one of the best games ever made.
3 is okay but it doesn't come close, there's too much menu management and its story is your average braindead monomyth saturday morning crap.
>>384464664
How is a message pretentious when it is what it is and holds no false pretenses? it's brainlets like these that make normal people hate snake eater fanboys, you either make saturday morning garbage or you're pretentious.

>>384464503
>t. butthurt John Carpenter fan
"Stand Alone Story" =/= "Unique Story"

>>384464871

just because MGS3's story isn't convulated af, it doesn't make it bad

>>384460593
>The interconnection is great.
Only good thing about it.
>Backtracking through areas you already solved multiple times
>Barely takes advantage of what was introduced in the first part
>Overall level design is weaker too and relies on gimmicks too often
>Only a few rooms have guards that need some skill to avoid
>Bombs with more backtracking
>The second part has barely any stealth section

I would happily replay MGS3, it's just plain fun.
MGS2 was ambitious with its story but the gameplay is complete trash. It's a chore to replay.

>>384465218
the last part on the Big Shell, where you have to escort Emma out is utter pain

>>384465361
Every part of the Big Shell is pain. I hate bomb disposal. I hate swimming. I hate sniping. Every level in MGS2 is "that level".

>>384465361
I was glad when she died. Sorry Otacon but your sister a shit and she deserved it.

>>384465085
>the MGS3 story isn't convoluted af
>muh triple crossing double agent is not unnecessarily convoluted but an exercise in misinformation that discards its own plot as irrelevant? that's too much.

>>384464871
>How is a message pretentious when it is what it is and holds no false pretenses?
How is it not pretentious?
>Barely gives room to the gameplay
>Can't shut up for 5 minutes about how it's trying to replicate mgs1 again
>level design and pacing suffers from this
>shitty melodrama that adds nothing to the actual message of the story
You're making a game shittier just for the plot's sake, most pretentious shit you can do with a game

>>384465006
MGS1 relies more on western cinema pop culture than MGS2 relies on MGS1 or anything else. MGS2 is one of the most unique and original stories in all media

>>384465560
>MGS2 is one of the most unique and original stories in all media
Plenty of novels touch similar subjects like Deus Ex.

>>384465560
Tell me more about le ironic fourth wall breaking deconstruction postmodern masterpiece

>MGS3 is winning
Good to know /v/ still prefers games over movies.

>>384465541
So you don't know what pretentious means and are still butthurt Kojima denied you your Die Hard/Bond sequel, that still doesn't make MGS2 pretentious, it's as earnest as it gets in its intentions.

>>384456498

Cant wait for my new pachinko

>>384465560
>mgs2
>unique and original story
>same plot as the first game
What did he mean by this?

>>384465541
You're an imbecile

>>384465640
Deus Ex didn't have the advantage of being able to use its status as a sequel to subvert the player's expectations.

>>384465560
>MGS2 is one of the most unique and original stories in all media
AIs controlling everything isn't particularly new, read a book sometime.

3 is a more complete game/package. Story is a lot more straightforward and it's made to appeal to them feelings. Bond shit going on and lots of references and humor

But 2 is something you don't see every day- The mere amount of analyses and theories around it already talk a lot about the quality of the game, Hidden details not only in codec conversations (which are usually the biggest examples of story exposure) but also from character design, dialogue, and environment design, tell a lot of hidden shit that you would normally miss if you weren't paying attention (or didn't know where to look)

I still prefer 3 more. Even though 2 is extremely more thought-provoking (even more for its time)

Whoever tries to downplay it by just saying "it's a re-telling of MGS1" or "it's just AIs" is obviously a retard who can't juggle several ideas coexisting and developing together

>>384465893
I wish literally anyone but Kojima has the idea for making a game like MGS2.

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>>384465778
It was according to the simulation. He is correct.

>>384465806
What book? Give name pls

>>384465713
mgs3 has waaaay more cutscenes and codec bullshit

>>384465806
>>384465683
>>384465640
>all these overgeneralizations made by brainlets.
every thread we get of these it just proves snake eater fanboys are simply braindead sub 100 IQ monkeys wanting absolutely nothing remotely challenging from an emerging artform.
3 winning only proves that the board is filled with children, nothing else.

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>>384465968
>what is NieR:Automata
>what is DeusEx
And Kojima didn't write any of the good parts of 2. Refer to 4 as proof of this.

i honestly consider 2 and 3 on the same level, as both favourite mgs games and both in my top 10 of favourite games of all times. they also have amazing ending theme songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m4tYUfYCj4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9hagVL-__c

>>384466081
>Nier Automata
>Deus Ex
>remotely on the level of putting the game and story at odds with each other

>>384466081
Deus Ex didn't rehash half of its predecessor's story to mislead the player and put him in the same trap as the player character.

>>384465787
>subvert the players expectations
It doesn't though. Stop listening to Youtube Gamer Analysis

>>384466008
Nah, the story isn't the issue here.
MGS2 is shit thanks to how it ignores the most fundamental part of a videogame.
I know you're easily impressed by cutscenes but this is a game, not a movie.

>>384466208
Good. Ruining your game with that shit isn't a good idea.

>>384466238
But it literally does, everything related to Raiden subverts the player's expectations.
>>384466250
It doesn't, it has superb AI and has the most refined arcade top down metal gear gameplay and runs at 60 FPS .

>>384466341
It was playing with fire.
If the gameplay, characters and general writing for the middle half of the game weren't complete garbage then it would have been worth it.

>>384466008
More like it proves how delusional mgs2fags are
>b-but muh plot this muh plot that!

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Lads, Why is every MGS2 fan like this?

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>>384458941
>game had no memorable bosses
Fatman, olga, vamp, and solidus are all very memorable bosses nigger, though this is just a matter of opinion.
>raiden was a terrible introduction
Raiden wasn't nearly as bad as /v/tards make him out to be.
>unnecesary love story
Im not sure if your'e talking about rose or E.E. but neither was really a love story.
>bomb defusing and swimming
While bomb defusing could be frustrating, if you aren't a total retard it shouldn't be too time consuming. The water segments are also only about 10 minutes total, again unless you're retarded.
>ocelot arm
a very minor plot point that isnt even explored until mgs4.

>>384462259
This.

>>384466341
Where are you going with those goalposts?
>>384466478
>muh menu driven saturday morning cartoon simulator gives me le feels because they killed muh retcon mary sue
anyone can do what you're doing.

>>384466081

>pushing the Fukushima meme

He wrote all the autistic codec rubbish Kojima couldn't be arsed to do. Do you seriously think a secondary writer would have the same influence on the game as its main fucking designer?

>>384466208
DeusEx doesn't have a predecessor
>>384466250
>ALL VIDEOGAMES SHOULD BE MONOTONOUS MARIO
Why doesn't anybody shit on Telltale anything then?

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>>384465640
sort of similar. Deus Ex is almost like a parody of conspiracy theories. I mean, Ion Storm Austin were located in Austin, home to Alex Jones, who is not only an Austin icon but a globally known radio host.

>>384465683
the game is way more than that

>>384465778
the game is way more than that

>>384465806
the game is way more than that

The game puts together the best production value, polish, soundtrack, writng and atmosphere to create a supreme sense of surrealism. It's not just about muh 4th wall and muh MGS1 and muh 1984 PATRIOTS, it's about perception, deception and (literally) MEMES. The Selfish Gene was a huge influence on the game and it deals with the meaning of life itself, of whether genes (sex and reproduction) are more or less important than memes (western society, learned behaviors) and what the meaning of "success" is in today's society as opposed to early human tribes. I bet all of you thought the Patriot AI conversation at the end was just a quirky "muh MGS1 ;^)" Kojima jack-off. Raiden throwing away the dog tags wasn't just a "fuck you lol" to the player, it was SO MUCH MORE

i actually picked 3 in OP's poll because of the subsistence camera and how much I enjoy the polished non-linear gameplay, but then I remembered how cancer the game's final stretch is, and realized that 2 is a supreme experience pretty much from start to finish and how the pacing and writing is excellent. everyone who had trouble with the water part is a fucking moron. I will admit that the sniping section with Emma was dumb

>>384466521
>raiden wasn't nearly as bad as /v/tards made him out to be
/v/ didn't exist when mgs2 was released

>>384466380
>it has superb AI and has the most refined arcade top down metal gear gameplay and runs at 60 FPS Yet very few segments take advantage of it. You have a great introduction and then throw it down the shitter because of the fucking plot instead of keeping a neat balance.
Great mechanics don't mean too much if you're barely going to put them to good use.

>>384466662
>Why doesn't anybody shit on Telltale anything then?
Are you new on the internet or just retarded?

>>384466716
>he ran in full alert throughout the plant segment because he's such a brainlet he couldn't stop and watch guard movements
even bridges between struts had more complexity than anything in MGS.

>>384462259
More like:
>Mgs1
Ok gameplay
Good story
>Mgs2
Good gameplay
Good story
>Mgs3
Meh gameplay
Ok story
>Mgs4
Ok story
Good gameplay
>MgsV
Horrible story
Ok gameplay

>>384466631
>Kojima
>not autistic
On a totally unrelated note he tweeted pictures of a mads mikkelson toy he bought a few days ago

>>384466574
>anyone can do what you're doing.
>select shit on menu
>enjoy game
You can't do this with mgs2, half of the game will be shit no matter what

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>>384466631
>wrote only the codec rubbish
90% of MGS is codec, retard

Kojima is a fucking hack and even MGS fags agree.

>>384466697
I mean historically of course.

>>384466928
But it's not, it's shit for brainlets like you that have never used everything the game had to offer and played it for the plot, or even worse, to play 3 afterwards.

>>384466824
>I have to convince myself he sucks at the game because I can't defend this pos
Yeah how complex, headshot everything with the mk22 to win.

>>384466909
>>384466943

I meant the non-essential codecs about the equipment and enemies.

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>>384467064
>mgs2
>mk22

>>384466993
At the time it was a shock, people were justifiably butthurt. But they aimed their criticism at Raiden (a fictional character) and not le ruse man (an autistic hack)

>>384467064
>I never ever used anything the game had to offer but I'll post the ape escape mask video because I'm that much of a biased hypocrite.
every metal gear is braindead shit when using the silenced tranq gun you moron, did you even try getting a single dogtag?

>>384467050
>b-brainlets
I've finished Mgs 1-4 multiple times with almost every playstyle imaginable, 50%+ of 2 is utter dogshit, specially between the Harrier and arsenal gear.

>>384467191
I understand the initial asspain but retards on /v/ have been shitting on raiden for as long as i can remember.

>>384467127
All of those infodumps about weapons and organizations are Kojima trying to flaunt how much pointless factoids he knows

>>384467293
Wrong. Try not being a snake shitter next life.

>people actually lambast Fukushima and tout his work as memeworthy in contrast to Kojima's
You know what? I'm glad that hack killed the series. I'm glad 4 and 5 happened.
People didn't deserve the first 3 games.

>>384466890
>MGS4
>Ok story
lmfao get the fuck out of here

>>384467276
Yup, every dog tag. You just do the same but with the tranq gun or run behind them and insta neutralize them by holding them up.

>>384467323
I preferred Raiden to Snake.
It was actually cool to see your former protagonist act without controlling hin.

>>384467373
>He can't even make an argument
mgs2 cucks btfo again.

>>384467407
It was certainly entertaining and fun which firmly puts it above MgsV

>>384467438
Post picture with timestamp or stop posting, less than 40% of soldiers just let you freeze them, you may have gotten like three dogtags in the tanker and called it a day.
>>384467508
>nuh huh it's shit and only I know so
>an argument
sasuga, 3 fanboy.

>>384467393
Bitch you couldn't even identify Fukushima's "contributions". Give me a single line he wrote from mgs 1, 2 or 3

>>384467508
It's literally impossible to defend those shitty segments, not even the most delusional mgs2fag can.

>>384467652
Refer to every line of dialogue written in the trilogy.

>>384467323
/v/ loves Raiden now that he's an epic cyborg ninja samurai biker zombie mariachi pirate

>>384467475
I did as well. Raiden always felt more relateable and human to me than snake did.

>>384467669
I can. It's called a video game. Git gud.
>implying everything after Grpzniy Grad wasn't shit either

>>384467669
>the harrier fight
>the vamp fight
>shit

>b-b-b-but muh underwater escort mission that lasts for 2 minutes.
Are dumbshits ITT even trying?

>>384467856
Remember babysitting EVA?

>>384467760
Prove he wrote it

>>384467893
That part was absolute garbage, so was the on rails vehicle section.

>>384467801
I enjoy raiden as a cyborg, i just wish we could've gotten to see more of him as he was in mgs2.

>>384467652
Fukushima wrote the immortal "press action button to climb" and "hold r1 to aim"

>>384467629
I got the platinum trophy in mgs2 hd, can't show you a pic sadly but more than 40% of the guards will give you the dog tag without a crippled limb first. Neutralizing them this way is the easiest too, just punch them in the crotch afterwards, you should know this if you like mgs2 a lot.

>>384467893
>being gravely injured gives you a huge appetite
Is Kojima even human?

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>>384467905

>>384468017
Not even 40% of the guards in the strut F warehouse will give you the dogtag without shooting them somewhere first.

>>384460318
>le backtrack is bad

You must really hate playing the game, anon.

>>384467856
Harrier fight is meh, Vamp too, water section and everything E.E is dogshit.

>>384468110
So what did he contribute? Any particular themes, settings or characters? Shinkawa probably had more influence on the plot than Fukushima

>>384468159
Show me a source, I remember that even in Extreme there weren't that many
>>384468175
Uninteresting backtrack is bad.

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>>384454265
Peace Walker is the best MGS by leaps and bounds story-wise

>>384468175
This, MGS4s biggest problem is it has no backtracking at all, you just move down a linear path

>>384468182
Vamp is one of the best boss fights in the franchise with several different ways to handle it, Harrier is Hind D fight on steroids. Water sections are OK, the only dogshit EE section is when Vamp is holding her, and that section lasts like ten seconds and then it's just the Arsenal Gear insanity from there.
I replay the game once a year, and only managed to beat 3 twice, I can't really stand it, so I'll call this my opinion and leave it at that.

>>384468326
>muh quirky harem anime

>>384467856
The sniper section is also shit, Vamp doesn't even takes advantage of the core stealth mechanics too.
>>384467829
Better than Emma's shit by a long shot.

>>384468286
No. Shinkawa designed it, Murata and Fukushima wrote it, Mori was the military advisor and Kojima took the credit.

Just play 4 and you'll see that it's worlds apart without him.

>>384468286
>Writer, Writer (Snake Tales), Director (Snake Tales), Scripter (Codec), Scripter (VR & Alternative Unit), Setting Research/Justification

>>384468469
>Water sections are OK
Stopped reading there. They're not challenging or interesting in the slightest, just finding your way while babysitting that cunt.

>>384468543
Again, any proof?

>>384468640
>implying the cave in 3 was any better

>>384466670

This.
Underrated post.
Have a (You) anon :).

>>384468647
Watch documentary of MGS2 ffs.

Got any proof shinkawa or kojima contributed more?

>>384454265
2 is the better game.
2 took what made MGS great and improved on it.
On release it was astounding, all the mechanics of the game, the shock of playing as raiden, and the emotional/mental mind fuck that came with it.

3 was a major let down from the beginning.
No solid snake, no soliton radar, promised eating mechanics were just menu cutscenes.
Then the gameplay mechanics were terrible, menu for eating, menu for healing, menu for changing camo, menu for managing gear, weight system, psyche system.

2 is the superior game by far

>>384468543
>murata
>wrote the ingame novelizatipn of MGS1
>k-kojima s-stole from him!
jej

>>384468640
>they're not interesting
>there's a hidden section at the bottom with a bunch of equipment
>not challenging
>he didn't swim through mines like a champ and make EE drown because of small time losses.

>>384468647
Cmon son at least don't get bamboozled like this.

>>384468804
He co wrote 3 dude. Kojima is a hack isn't that common knowledge?

>>384467064
Haha I really hope you're not using this argument to bash to and praise 3 m8.

3 was my first game and I didn't know how tf the game worked and still managed to beat it on hard because you can tranq literally every enemy in that game and never run out of suppressors.

>>384468469
>Vamp is one of the best boss fights in the franchise with several different ways to handle it
How many? You can't even use most of yor weapons or gadgets or even stealth in it, only remarkable thing is hitting him with the Stinger.
>Harrier is Hind D fight on steroids
Hind D is shit, but yeah Harrier is better even if its not too interesting unless you play on Extreme due to the tight timing to survive his attacks, but this apply to every boss.
> Water sections are OK
What? How?

>>384454265
Anyone who refers to 3 never played Snake Eater.

Subsistence is good, though.

>>384468993
Kek I can kill vamp with my bare hands in 20 seconds.

>>384462259
Wrong

>>384468825
I did all of that, the sections remains shit since the mines are easy as fuck to avoid. If finding items is the best thing you can do there then its pretty garbage since you can do the same almost everywhere.

>>384468749
>Hideo Kojima
>Director/Producer/Writer
He hired Fukushima to bounce ideas off of

>>384468993
>How many? You can't even use most of yor weapons or gadgets or even stealth in it, only remarkable thing is hitting him with the Stinger.

This is bait, he always makes this stupid post before someone goes "let go of the lockon" and then he goes "was there a lockon?".

Do not reply to this man.

>>384468883
>i-if I repeat it enough they believe it
How come none of those "real" MGS writers ever wrote anything good without Kojima while Kojima had Snatcher and Policenauts? We'll never know.

>>384468993
>you can't use most of your weapons
but you can, you can even shoot light sources so he doesn't pin your shadow down.
>Hind D is shit
eh, the MGS Hind D fight is way better than the MG or MG2 Hind D fights and good in its own merits.
>what? how?
tight controls, game has been flirting with underwater sections since the first Plant screen, and the mined sections can get pretty tense.

>>384468840
>ask for proof of a claim
>psshh haha kiddo don't be so silly ;)

>>384468682
Way better.
>Can gather animals and items that give you knew way to handle the upcoming areas
>Need to use your senses and logic and even TECHNOLOGY to find your way out
Way more involved and interesting desu

>>384469159
>kill vamp with my bare hands
how?
I never even knew you could grab him

>>384468993
Harrier on EE is a test of real skill desu senpai.
I played that game to death as a kid and got all dogtage on the original and substance, and I'm from europe so I had EE on the original.
The harrier was the only boss that was challenging.
Even the EE 25 rays became an easy chore, but the harrier was always ass clenching

>>384469301
Fukushima had a big impact on MGS2 but >>384468543 was obviously taking the piss. You would know if this board wasn't especially gullible.

>>384469192
>A HIDEO KOJIMA game
>Directed by HIDEO KOJIMA
>Written by HIDEO KOJIMA
>Produced by HIDEO KOJIMA
>from HIDEO KOJIMA
>by HIDEO KOJIMA
I'm glad he got the boot desu

>>384469249
Because Fukushima is dead and the aforementioned are literally "movies I watched, but in SPACE"

>>384460195
MOMMY

>the Fukushima is the real mastermind behind MGS meme because there must have been something else going on other than not enjoying doing something you got death threats about
only on four chan dot org

>>384469351
Or just blindly run because the sonar doesn't help and stamina is useless (I literally don't even eat meals in game, always 0 meals eaten)

The survival aspect is a meme. I had full inventory of artificial foodstuffs before Grozniy Grad.

>>384468993
>water sections are ok
It takes 5 fucking minutes get the fuck over it already. Seriously people who don't like this game will bitch about the dumbest thing THE WATER SECTIONS OMG IT'S FUCKING GAME BREAKING HOW AWFUUUUL IT IS.

Just suck it up and fucking swim you pussy it's not that hard. Every game is gonna have some part you're not gonna like or have to Slag through but you don't have to go on bitching about it for 10 fucking years

>>384469401
Hang over the railing and wait for him to try to cut you down.
Jumping back up is an invincibility frame, so just tap square to punch-punch then go behind him. Repeat 3-4 times.

>>384469778
Circle, fuck.

>>384469109
>hurr if you didn't play the REAL shittier snake eater the you're not a real fan like me!

You need to go back

>>384469510
That was only MGSV and only because Konami were trying to make him an unperson

>>384469256
>but you can, you can even shoot light sources so he doesn't pin your shadow down.
I know you can shoot the lights, but aside from that anything that's not a firearms is useless, except the Stinger(or was it the grenade launcher) to score easy melee hits when he tries to stab you. The complete lack of stealth approaches limits the variety too.
>tight controls
That's it? The entire game has tight controls but also multiple things on top of that. They were going to add sharks in those sections but removed them due to time constrains I think which would explain why those parts feel so devoid of purpose.

Who else /GhostBabel/ here?

That game had no right being as great as it is.

>>384469923
I'm just saying that i played the original release and promptly felt disappointed.

You have to realize that to fully appreciate 2, you had to have been there. It took the world by storm, triggered everyone who played it and still got raving reviews

While when 3 landed, it was just 'oh, cool'

I love both to death. You can't argue taste really.

>>384469351
>>384469689
Maybe it's cause I only played subsidence but you can just look at the map on the start screen.

>>384469927
Rewatch the title sequence of 3.
His name swims by at least 10 times.

>>384470062
That's just wrong though. I played 3 and then 2 cause I only had the HD collection at the time but 2 remains my favourite since the moment I played it.

Maybe I didn't get fucking bamboozled like the rest of you but that absoulutly does not diminish my opinions on the game.

Stop using your age to feel superior you're to old to be on this site still anyways.

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>>384470049
Me son, long time ago.
His finest work, I think.

>>384470242
It'a not age per se.
I just experienced 1 as a babby, then got PS2 just for 2, and got my bind mlown

>>384470046
>anything that's not a firearms is useless,

What did he mean by this?

>>384469752
It takes 5 minutes of a game that has very little gameplay time, not helped by so many other sections that have shit to do with stealth in the latter half.
>>384469689
>Ignoring food
It's like you don't even wanna have fun messing around with the guards

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3 = 1 > 2 = V > 4 = PW >>> PO
that's just how I feel though

>>384470112
Credit where credit is due

>>384470339
Most explosives, the coolant, sniper. Aside from shooting at him and using melee there aren't too many things to do against him.

>>384470112
Should a person be denied credit for the things they did just because it would mean their name appeared more than once?

>>384470071
I played Subsistance too but from what I remember it didn't showed the entire section.

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>>384470352
I'm way too autistic to have fun with games anymore.

>>384470112
>hey you directed, produced and wrote this game along with countless other contributions over the production but we're just going to credit you as "mocap performer" ok?

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Who else sees themselves as a huge fan of Kojima's work, yet felt disappointed by MGSV despite their basic enjoyment of it and is holding out for Death Stranding to decide if he was just utterly burned out on Metal Gear or if he's genuinely lost his touch?

>>384470570
You can use grenades, mines and C4 against Vamp when you know where he falls after jumping out of the water.

>>384470941
Really? I'll test that shit out soon.

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Not a pleb just FYI

>>384470570
>sniper
It's pretty useful before the fight actually starts or when he's hugging distant walls. Hitting the bullet hole in his head is a critical blow and hurts a lot.

Grenades hurt his O2 gauge and can make non-lethal easier. I also remember claymores and C4 working on him.

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>>384456498
Hell yeah

>>384471375
Something about Solid Snake's face just never works in hi-res graphics

>>384471470
It looked fine in MGS4 though

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>>384471520
>me name snake unga unga

>>384471956
>he wouldn't let a man who looks like that turn his asshole inside out
what are you, some kind of fag

>>384472627
Ocelot pls

>>384454265
The aesthetics between them are so different it wouldn't make sense to compare them on that front. Whether the Mentor/Disciple story or the Deceived Puppet story is better than the other is not even a videogame topic, nevermind a literary one.

But as for the stealth mechanics, MGS3 clearly started the series decline by introducing the outdoor environments and camouflage which even still in V clash with the AI. The AI was designed around the fast-paced, arcadey stealth puzzles that is best demonstrated by how Snake moves on the radar system in the 3D games (or how he actually moves in the 2D ones). And because of that, introducing vast distances and crawling index makes it so much easier and less complex.