Persona 5

it wasnt

>>384425615
It wasn't, you're just a faggot trying to make me mad.

>>384425654
fpbp

Takemi best girl. Kawakami close second

the plot twist still confuses me

Because it ruined all other videogames after it. Nothing will ever compare.

>>384425615
It wasn't bad, not even close to bad. But I feel it had too many characters and lacked thematic and narrative focus. It managed to make an 80-100 hour long game feel too short and rushed. I still loved it, but it felt like a lot of missed potential.

>>384425615
poor cast.

It wasn't bad, it just didn't quite outdo P4. The difficulty was significantly neutered and the "twist" was so predictable. Also, really lame how there was no true ending.

>>384425727
>literally no development between the group
>Morgana, Sojiro, Chihaya, Ohya, Mishima, Hifumi, GETSMOKED slinks all awful
>dungeons get worse, shido's mice maze/entire spaceport area
>Haru is literally who
>almost all the villains post dungeon 1 are literally whos
>ending's symbolism and the concept of the holy grail badly presented, and they barely touch on anything, and the MC goes home for no reason
>gameplay starts getting worse late game, Hifumi's slink trait that lets you instakill enemies essentially ruins money grinding for the compendium
>morgana's entire character
>ryuji's never fully finished
>ann is shoved aside for makoto pandering, even though she ALSO does nothing
>completely forget about yusuke by the end
>the more i think about it the more i can go on

>>384425952
Pretty much this

The game was objectively amazing in most aspects, but the execution on the story and character integration could have been better

>>384426631
gameplay fell apart

I'm sure people who like Japanese games will find it enjoyable, but it just seems like pathetic weaboo trash to me.

They totally fucked the pacing, but it was still fun.

>>384425615
Drops off in quality after the first palace and steadily declines for the rest of the game with only minor bumps in quality later on.

>>384425984
This. A poor cast, combined with a bizarre story, with a twist that made it even more ridiculous.

Weak story, too much dialogue

>>384426456
This is basically how I feel about the game

>>384427040
The game itself isn't weeb. I don't give a shit about anime or most jrpgs for that matter, but I enjoyed it

>>384425615
No option to fuck Ryuji, Yusuke, or Mishima.

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>>384427617
Ryuji you would do no homo bro stuff with. Jacking each off and watching porn together.
Yusuke is too pure and autistic to fuck.
Mishima is too pathetic to fuck.

Iwai would be best guy to fug

It copped p4 to much rather be it's own thing.
Characters, plot, twists.
I mean if you want to reference, it's fine but recycling that much just feels like an expansion.

>it sucked because it didn't make me feel like a pathetic weeaboo who had friends for once like P4 and was actually an SMT style story
t. P4fags

>>384428069
P5 was absolutely wish fulfillment though. It only became SMT-like at the very end.

>>384427040
As long as you've come to terms with a pointless opinion

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>Remove Cat
How much better would the game be?

>>384428449
>artificially gate off nighttime activities at least one week a month
>only made it to rank 8 Kawakami before school ended and the social link breaks
fuck you cat

It was literally the same garbage as P4 with updated dungeons and broken confidents

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>>384428449
>Characters are forced to actually figure out what the palace shadow world is on their own
>Characters would slowly realize how cognitive people aren't actual people but represent their true selves
>Night time activities aren't blocked off
>90% of the dialogue of calling Ryuji an idiot is removed and his character trait of being "stupid" is just a quirk rather than core personality trait that is flanderized as the game continues
>no forced group drama
>no pathetic creepy hitting on Ann
>group has to ask Haru about her dad which entices her to follow them into the other world and making her entrance and awakening more natural
>makes the reveal of the big bad seem more important since you finally would realize what the other world really is rather than being told a hour in
oh and
>Joker can jack off at night without having a fucking cat watching him

>>384428449
that would never happen because without the deus ex machina mascot character japanese developers would have to learn how to actually write a decent story.

>>384429984
nip writing is shit nah its because japs mentally is fucked
>hai hai onegaishimasu

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>>384427617
This.

>>384425654
/thread, don't listen to faggots on /v/ who give improper video game critiques.

>>384425615

>bad

compared to what? it's unquestionably better than 3 or 4

it was so good

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>>384428675
>only made it to rank 8 Kawakami before school ended and the social link breaks

Nigger I know your pain. Because of that god damn cat I have to wait until summer break ends

The only thing wrong with it was it's awful story and cast. It still has the best gameplay by far, the best art direction, and arguably the best music.

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>>384429984
>What is Koromaru

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He literally did nothing wrong.

I really enjoy this game. I'm getting ready to jump into NG+. I'm a little bit interested in Platinuming it.

How come no one put it together that literally everyone related to people who had a change of heart hung out together as a cohesive group?

>>384425615
It wasn't, but the soundtrack is mediocre and the story is really just a regurgitated Persona 4.

>>384433916
I know people defend him to feel like superior contrarians, but come the fuck on, even Kaneshiro is more sympathetic than him.

BTW, I'm at the point where I have to go to the end of Mementos, and the game took me on its own, no questions asked? Can I go back to the real world or do I have to finish it in the very same day? I would actually like to complete Hifumi S.Link and also getting Yoshitsune before getting there.

>>384434313
You triggered me so fucking hard

>>384425878
The Goro hearing Morgana one? That shits simple as fuck

>>384434782
Not that anon, but I felt that except songs with vocals, the whole soundtrack felt like elevator music. I gladly paid 7 bucks to have Mass Destruction as the battle theme.
I wish buying the other tracks would let you customize your battle playlist

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P4 is a better friend simulator

i miss them bros

P4-2 when?

>>384426456
>and the MC goes home for no reason
Uhhh because he has a whole life back home and his probation is finished? Like yeah I get the idea of him making all these friends and not wanting to leave Tokyo but he's still in high school and I doubt his parents would be cool with him just moving there on his own before college

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>>384434313
>soundtrack is mediocre

I'll totally accept criticisms of the story and characters and dungeons but the soundtrack is the one part of the game that I have seen nearly unanimous praise for. The only way I could see someone not enjoying it is if they have a hatred for Meguro's specific brand of acid jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3eC0NThY0

I mean how the fuck can you not like this?

Would the game be better if Goro was the mentor character instead of Morgana?

>>384434782
Why? Persona 5's soundtrack isn't really that memorable. I think it really captured what it was going for, but it's boring and really not that special overall.

>>384434998
Never. They'll never all be together again and you know it. They can release all the spin offs they want, you know deep down they never all met as a group again, naoto went off as a detective and forgot about kanji entirely, Yosuke moved back to the city, Chie became a lesbian policewoman, and Yukiko married a Chad and completely ignored the others for the remainder of her life. Kanji took over the textile business and Teddie died of a drug overdose.

No one attended his funeral. Yu made new friends and never went back to Inaba and slowly forgot about the tv world entirely.

>>384435297
it's not my favorite OST out there but it really speaks to the quality of the compositions that at 80 hours in i was still humming along and enjoying the same songs i had been hearing since the beginning of the game

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>>384425615
>better graphics
>better battle system
>MUCH better dungeons
>Confidants is better than Social Links
>style is amazing I will not say better because it's much personal)
>better game overall

Still is boring compared to 4.
Hell, I played for 40 hours and never finished, while 4G I played for 200 hours.
I really don't know what 4 has. Besides Chie, of course.

>>384425654
foopity boop
Nierfag upset his game was forgotten in a week so shifts his anger to P5

>>384435297
That's a fine track, but it's like, only one of the four that are actually pretty good and memorable.

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>tfw if persona 5 got low mid 80 scores /v/ would probably be sucking its dick still and calling it underrated

>>384435689
A better story and ending.

>>384426456
>all this subjective wishes and nitpicking
I guess you just can't please everyone.

>>384427040
A lot of people that hated turned-base anime jrpg actually like the game. That's saying something.

So what the fuck was Morgana again?

>>384436047
>tfw if persona 5 got low mid 80 scores
Which not going to happen since it deserved every praise it can get.

>>384435383
This.
The music itself is composed nicely and pulled off well, but it just isn't that memorable. Like I could hum every part of P4's music and a good chunk of P3s. But besides River in a dry Land and the annoying repetitious Mementos music, I can't really recall any songs.

>>384436543
Of course because you can't recall any songs it's objectively unmemorable.
Well said /v/.

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>>384432130
>>384432130
>it's unquestionably better than 3 or 4
3 and 4 shit all over 5.

how did ryuji survive the explosion in shido's ship

>>384436654
This.
I wish most people agree with you. Why is that superior taste like us only exist in /v/?
Fuck P5.

>>384436384
Actual spoilers here:
Basically an emergency button from the real Igor, humanity's hope made manifest and tasked with helping the Phantom Thieves along. Disappeared when his job's done but because he was in everyone's cognition he stayed around as a cat, since despite yelling at everyone the whole game that he's not a cat they still just see him as a cat.
tl;dr he's plot cat.

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>>384436384
He's to Joker is like Philemon to Tatsuya.

>>384425615
Because you have nostalgia for Persona 4 in spite of it being objectively a worse game than Persona 5.

>>384436641
The ability for songs to resonate with people and leave a lasting impression is pretty subjective. Thus only through anecdotal comments can you gather how memorable songs are. So I am casting my vote for unmemorable as is the other anon. If you disagree then you need to simply say so.
Also /v/ =/= one person
I am just giving my thoughts on it.

>>384436543
>can't recall last surprise
>can't recall wake up get up get out there
>can't recall under the mask (night)
Please refrain from lying.

>>384435689
persona 4 also had kanji

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>>384428069
Except in 3 it both established characters relationships and had an interesting story without sucking off the MC. 5 is just as bad as 4, except 4 at least had a strength in the relationship apect. 5 has nothing over the other two, it's competent game and I love it but it doesn't compare to the old ones.

>>384436069
Good joke.

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>>384437027
Sorry for not mentioning him.

>>384425615
No matter what you think about P5, you have to at least admit that on a gameplay and technical level, it was superior to practically every one of it's predecessors.

>>384437291
>Except in 3 it both established characters relationships and had an interesting story without sucking off the MC.
They kinda sucking off to the MC though, even more after he became door.
While 5 MC always got his shit fuck worse than any other Persona MC. Heck he establish his relation with others first thing using a mutual benefits.
It was much, much better than how P3 and 4 start their character relatonship.
Are we even playing the same game?

>>384437291
3 established badly written characters and dont call the story interesting :^)

>>384437628
You're not playing the same game. P4niggers are speaking purely from nostalgia nad the fact that it was their first SMT game.

>>384437570
Not completely. The Hold Up mechanic was very repetitive, and doing Hifumi's slink makes grinding for money/items impossible at a high level. Not perfect, but still better than 3/4's.

>>384437628
This. Whenever /v/ said something like P3/4 character are better, it baffled me to no end. Mainly because how much they sucking off MC's dick especially in 4.

>>384437721
>played 3 first, not even fes
>hated it
>played fes
>hated it and could actually see its seams coming apart
>played 4
>loved it
>played 5
>hated it

hmmm.......

>>384437896
But 3's cast sucks your dick the least by far.

>>384437896
did you play persona 5 longer than the first dungeon?

>>384437828
>The Hold Up mechanic was very repetitive
I'm sorry? I take that you say demon negotiation and extortion are very repetitive?
Why do you play SMT game in the first place?

Or are you trying card suffling is LESS repetitive than hold up? Because it clearly what you're implying.

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>>384425615
It was good.
I feel like most of its small problems (lack of moveset variety in teammates, lack of chemistry between teammates, not enough dates with your girl(s) of choice, Haru coming into the game too late, Hawaii being boring, Akechi dying for literally no reason and not being in the game for long enough ) Are things Persona 5 Crimson could fix.

>>384437934
Then you're just a waifufaggot, pretty common problem too.
>>384437995
What does that have to do with P4 niggers/

>>384438007
Yeah, the first dungeon is the best part, but it's still better than P4 for the rest of its duration, and better than P3 aside from P3's finale.

>>384438007
Exactly because I play all the game multiple times that I can say that.
I'm sorry but nostalgia doesn't blind my judgement.

>>384438051
You mention 3 in your post.

>>384436047
fuck off
game is legit mediocre
i could care less if the game got 40 or 99 memescore

>>384425615
It's the only Persona game I didn't drop halfway through.

>>384425615
It was a fun video game and that's all that matters.

>>384438146
He's not me.

I feel like the decisions in this game have much more weight to them this time around

Honestly, for me it blows P4 out of the water

>>384428449
It would be worse. Probably wouldn't have finished it, might not have even bought it

>>384438045
It's repetitive honey. Whether it's better, or worse, than some other SMT game's negotiation interface, it's repetitive. Especially the music, sound design, animation, and, the mechanics for extorting money & all out attacking in one turn didn't make any sense.

SEES is the best cast besides P2 and everyone should know it.

>Actual relationships with each other
>You have to earn their friendship
>Junpei
>At one point a feud breaks out that isn't "meow I don't like Ryuji meow", although Ken is just as annoying as Morgan's
>Temporary party member is a pimp and not some twink

>>384438203
You too?
I stopped P4 near the 4th dungeon few years ago and haven't played it again.
I don't even remember where I put my PS2.

>>384437628
>Kinda suck off to the MC though
Towards the end when he's proved himself as a competent leader yea, but leading up to that point he was judged harshly. It's not like in 4 where people are immideately friendly, hell Yukari points a pseudo-gun at you the first time you see her. In terms of dick-sucking 3 is far less than 4 and 5
>Shit fuck worse than any other Persona MC
Having your parents killed is far worse than being framed for a crime then being on parole and leaving home for a year
>It's much better than P3 and 4 start their character relationships
3 is a mixture of work-relationship building and friendship through class/encounters, 4 is entirely class/encounters besides the party. 5 is the same as 4, I don't understand how you could see that better in any way, they are almost identical in how confidants are introduce
>are we even playing the same game
Are we? You're probably a P5 onlis

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>>384433525
god fucking DAMN

>>384425615
You tried playing on your shitty toaster at 10 fps with constant crashes. Next time, try a PS3 or PS4

>>384434568
Nope, 12/24 is the last playable day in-game. However, you have a safe zone literally right before the final boss, with unlimited healing, fusion access, and groups of enemies that give 10000 or so yen per fight on normal. You can do as many last-minute fusions there as you need.

>>384438102
I can't wrap my head around someone saying dungeons 2/3/4/5/7 were anything but bad.

There's less content in P4, so you don't have to sit through its shit for longer. Persona 5 is just a joke.

>>384438203
for me it was the only Persona game i dropped midgame
i still in the pyramid

>>384425615
It's good. It's too long, though. I don't really want to replay it because of that.

I'd like it if Persona 6 made more changes with the formula, I don't know how many times I can keep playing the same game and still have it be entertaining.

>>384438453
Persona 4's dungeons are 10000000000x worse to play than P5's. P5's are bad.

>>384425615
It was great though.
Only thing it lacked was my wife, Rise, who was only in the game on a poster.

>>384438508
Both of them are pretty mediocre but P5's are at the very least handcrafted.

>>384438291
>Especially the music, sound design, animation, and, the mechanics for extorting money & all out attacking in one turn didn't make any sense.
Game literally explained it to you, and make better sense than card shuffling.
I'm sorry but if you play a game with hating intention you will never like the game no matter how good it is.

>>384438330
>3 is a mixture of work-relationship building and friendship through class/encounters, 4 is entirely class/encounters besides the party. 5 is the same as 4, I don't understand how you could see that better in any way, they are almost identical in how confidants are introduce
See, I don't even think you play 5.

>>384438586
Yes, that's why they're so much better than 4. Stupid Persona 4 niggers think that 4's are better.

spoiler
>Akechi dies for you
>Still comes and arrests you if you miss the Shido deadline
why

>>384438508
No, this is why I think you haven't played Persona 5.

The worst dungeons in 4, like Nanako's, are at least very straight forward, easy to navigate through and the gaining SP/HP from the death arcanas/dealing with the fox, made EVERY dungeon more fun to do, granted you did it in a single day.

And even over multiple days, they aren't exhausting or effort to complete. And I'm not talking about difficulty. Half of P5's dungeons are poorly designed, sub-optimal to traverse through and full of the "puzzles" so easy they only drain your energy more.

You know how wrong you are.

>>384438746
You said that "P5's are worse".

>>384438638
Dude, I waited months for this. Avoided spoilers, music, everything for it. I had the best time playing the start, and the hype got me through to Futaba's palace. After that, there was no saving the game. And playing again, I could see the hype after dungeon 1 was hollow.

>>384438812
>Persona 4's dungeons are... worse to play than P5's

>>384428449
>all night slinks maxed by june

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It's funny how nobody in this thread raised a single legitimate complaint about P5 other than "it's not P4"

The game has its flaws, like unbalanced combat due to Confidant abilities making you OP by the third Palace and too much talking in dungeons. Other than that the game nails everything it was set out to be, especially compared to a tedious mess like FFXV or such

>>384438736
Do I need to rundown every goddamn confidant? the only reason you frame is because the confidants give you bonuses for the palace portion, but in reality what you do in the social links has almost zero relation to what you do in the dungeons. The situations are self contained to the confidant, yet for some reason playing shogi magically let's you escape from battle or listening to a kid complain about his mom let's you knock down demons with your gun. It's the same as 4, except it's even more contrived on what the social aspect does

>>384438803
>The worst dungeons in 4, like Nanako's, are at least very straight forward, easy to navigate through and the gaining SP/HP from the death arcanas/dealing with the fox, made EVERY dungeon more fun to do, granted you did it in a single day.
Wrong. They were a fucking slog, nothing about them was EVER fun, and SP management was a fucking joke even without the fox.
>And even over multiple days, they aren't exhausting or effort to complete. And I'm not talking about difficulty. Half of P5's dungeons are poorly designed, sub-optimal to traverse through and full of the "puzzles" so easy they only drain your energy more.
They aren't exhausting, they don't require effort, their "puzzles" are so simple that they make P5's look like a fucking 90s adventure game in comparison, nothing about them is engaging or interesting at all beyond the music (which is good in exactly 1 dungeon in the entire game).
>Half of P5's dungeons are poorly-designed
They're all basically average. None of them are that poor, unlike P4's dungeons, which are all objectively the worst possible dungeons you can have in a videogame.

>>384439042
I just think it's not fair P5 got all the praise while P3 got forgotten and still niche. Even P4 got milked hard.

After which number palace will I actually have some freedom. I feel like the game is railroading me straight to sleep and i cant go make any connections

>>384438803
There's something to be said about how the SP recovery from the fox removes any sense of urgency. At least in P3 you had the fatigue mechanic to offset that. I understand the thought that P5 feels more exhausting, but it also feels a lot more rewarding.

>>384439042
>tedious mess like FFXV or such
this is just funny
P5 fags are legit blind at this point then
>>384426456

>>384439472
Yet you ignore every reply to that post. Talk about being hypocrite.

>>384436752
He should've died. The fakeout sucked.

>>384439167
you havent played persona 5

>improved gameplay
steamlined with gimmick options you never use. old knockdown system was slower but allowed the enemies to royally fuck you over.

>improved dungeons
they weren't even designed good. any gimmicks weren't used to their full potential. barely any replay value. mementos was just filler without any real rewards.

>better social life aspects
too many autolinks. too many autoevents sucking free time. all areas and s. links unlock automatically and are pointed for you.

>>384439963
And you haven't played P4

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>>384439292
Well, I think the decade of P4 milking hurted my appreciation of that game to the point that I cannot stand those characters anymore, while my vision of P3 remains mostly unhinged (and positive).
Also I feel P5 is much more a sequel of P3 than P4.

>>384440637
>retroactively changing your opinion because fan response
How pleb can you be?

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Because it wasn't P3.

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>>384425615
Everything but the story was pretty great.

Some S Links are atrocious though (read: Moon), and they actually managed to make a mascot that doesn't make me wanna break the disc in two like Teddie did.

I'd say the game is average were it not for the gameplay changes that I absolutely loved, like the Baton Pass, Frei and Psi, separation between Phys and Gun, and changing party members mid dungeon (thank you jesus).

Its basically a shittier version of P4

>>384438301
Great relations with everyone but the MC who's just a wall flower.

I'm late to the party. Just got it. I am absolutely adoring every moment of it. Have been wrapped up in a game like this for a minute

I want to step on makotos hands and laugh at her stupid headband

>>384438301
>Temporary party member is a pimp
What

>>384441410
Not actually. Shinji is just fucking cool.

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>>384435689
Pretty much oposite for me. I picked up golden after p5 as it was cheap and I wanted more persona. I'm at the start of Kanji dungeon and already lost motivation to play.

>>384441017
Frei and psi mostly mean you spend more time poking at enemies to find their weaknesses

>>384441586
It means that it rewards filling your pokedex via fusion or negotiation

Kaneshiro would've been a better Gillian if he had actually raped Makoto or something.

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>>384441586
Good

It also means you can capitalize on status ailments as well

>>384441492
>I'm at the start of Kanji dungeon and already lost motivation to play.
Same, except I'm at vanilla P4.

>>384425615
3>5>... >shit>4

Got 30 hours in and stopped. Between the horrifically dull story and the writing treating you like a child, I lost all interest. There wasn't enough there mechanically to carry it for another 60-70 hours at minimum.

The visuals and soundtrack are fantastic though.

>>384442097
Your arrow is wrong direction mate

4 > Shit > 5 > 3

>>384438451
Oh thanks for the heads up, the only thing I'll be able to fulfill is to have a Yoshitsune for my NG+
Welp, the S.Links reset too, so I don't care that much if that's really the last playable day, so yeah.

>>384425615
Would all you stupid nigger cunts just shut he fuck up.

It was an incredible game

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I'm playing the game for the first time. I just beat the third palace and did the confusion trick in the mementos so I have over five million yen after buying all my teammates newest equipment, SH adhesive 3, and got several hundred health potions in total. The only thing that worries me are persona. I'm pretty clueless about this fusion thing and have mostly been doing it at random. Are there any specific persona I should be aiming for? I believe I caught at least one out of every kind I encountered so far and unlocked them in my personadex for future summoning.

Please respond.

Oh, and I've already been spoiled about the whole Akechi thing so no need to type that out.

>>384425615
This image makes me depressed.

>>384442576
It had a lot of problems. anon.

>>384442689
why

>>384442097
correct
>>384442426
incorrect

>>384442776
I don't have any friends.

>>384442576
>incredible game
>incredible
>game
in both things you are wrong lol

>>384442648
Just fuse personas that specialize in good strength, magic or agility and sport good resistances/immunities, and have them inherit as many good skills as possible.

>>384442648
max the tower rank it gives yo the ability to fuse one of the most op personas
Also fuse a black frost unless you're a dweeb who doesn't want best boy demon

>>384442851
sorry to hear that

>>384442648
The game is easy enough that you don't need to go full autism over this shit man. Just fuse things with big numbers and call it a day.

>>384436148
>Story and character execution
>Subjective

>>384442648
it honestly doesn't matter

good b8 man

>>384441492
You might've started P4 too soon. It has an unique vibe to it some love some don't. If you don't like it now, you never will.

>>384442648
Always fuse if the result is even slightly stronger than the two you have. Just keep the skills you think you need.

It's impossible to fuck up so do what feels right.

>>384443043
>max the tower rank it gives yo the ability to fuse one of the most op personas

you dont need to max out the tower slink to get Yoshitsune

>>384442648
Just make sure your main personas have little or no weaknesses, and cover the ones they do have in training.

Make sure you also carry a spell of every time at every point you can. Since persona switching is so easy, as long as ANY persona has an elemental skill, you can switch to that one and abuse the weakness.
Also, try to have as many buffs/debuffs available as possible.
Also, try to have at least one physical-focused persona at any time.

The main Personas I personally stuck to was Matador -> fused into Shiki-Ouji -> fused with Bugs into -> Girimikehkala for physicals, then replaced with Yoshitsune.
And as for I magic: random demons until fusing a treasure demon onto Thoth, then replaced with Trumpeter lategame.

>>384443043
Yoshitsune is only rank 5 in Tower, not 10

>>384427617
Wait til they add a female option in the Crimson/Scarlet version of the game.

>>384435143
if he wanted I'm sure his parents would understand that the people who saved him from life in prison want to stay close, and Sojiro seems cool with you staying there, his rank 10 even has him tell you its cool to fuck his daughter. and this is an anime world so I'm sure both of his parents work overseas.
there is also nothing to support that the MC has a life apart from Shujin. He was coming home from cram school in the beginning for his second year and seeing as all your stats start at 1 he wasnt even studying for university entrance exams, hes just stupid, has no charisma so he has no friends, and he barely talks as your friends point out.

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Post some more of this cute doctor cause my birthday will be over in 13 minutes

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>>384445831

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>>384445831
Happy birthday, nigga

>>384445831
All born under Cancer are dumb, smelly and a shit

>>384426456
who's yusuke? the art guy?

>>384445425
there won't be one. at most you'll get dlc.

>>384425615
i am glad at least the honeymoon is over for a lot of people
game is mediocre as fuck and need a lot of fixes
the pacing is just garbage and the cat cockblocking you is just the worst
Also social link stories need to be important and not meaningless shit

>>384446816
You underestimate Atlus when it comes to milking

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>>384447152
Never thought I'd say this but I miss Teddie.

>lady AHWN

fuck off.

>>384447205
physical media is on its way out. it's cheaper to just have dlc.

>>384425615
because P5 could be cut in half and nothing of value would be lost. It is artificialy too long wich cause the horrible pacing issues.

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>>384425615
>RPGs are for story!
>story is retarded
>gameplay is discount SMT
>all it has going for is style and music

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>>384446336
>astrology
I bet you think tarots are legit too

Nah, game never bad.
It's cool hating it, especially on /v/

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are we forgetting it took an add-on and port to make P3 and P4 right. compared to the vanilla versions P5 wins hands down

It was ugly and average.

>>384425615
Worst final boss music of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vZ_tpMho4

>People ITT will defend this

>>384435297
the covers are atrociously good.

>>384448662
Well maybe if you deaf

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>>384435297
>When Mother Was There
>Acid jazz

>>384448662
>all time
Nah, you're projecting right now. It was bad choice for final boss theme though. At least rivers in the desert and our beginnings are top tier

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>>384425615
Because it's basically Persona 4 2 with new characters. The overall plot is generally the same, in some regards the writing is somehow worse with everyone taking back seat as soon as Makoto shows up, (which wasn't an issue in P4 since the asspull mary sue Naoto didn't show up until near the end of the game) and some characters like Haru get so little development it raises questions why they're even in the game.

From the conflict to twist, it's almost 1:1 compared to Persona 4, and while dungeons and gameplay are overall a huge improvement, if you're playing a Persona game mainly for the gameplay, there are so many better SMT games out there with far more depth.

>>384434817
He is probably talking about the fake murder. Its an easy exploration but can be weird at first.

That wasn't the real Joker in the room. That was Sae's cognitive joker because she thought he should be in there.

Killing a cognitive shadow doesnt kill the real you. Much like Ann killed herself in the first dungeon.

>>384449015
Name one (1) JRPG final boss song.
Hard mode: Don't say The Genesis.

>>384449126
worse JRPG final boss song*

>>384449079
looks like they're afraid to take chances now with their cashcow

well at least spinoffs like Catherine are good, hopefully the Refantasy thing turns out okay. I think I'm done with Persona.

>>384434998
Seriously, P4 was comfy as fuck with the friendship

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>>384449483
>P4 was comfy as fuck
Stockholm Syndrome is an amazing thing.

>>384449079
this is so wrong it scares me.

>>384448438
a lot of blind faggots here
no wonder this series is not going to evolve any time soon

>>384449483
Yeah, nah.
The character are shallow stereotype it felt bland and boring. The worst out of all persona game.

>>384449568
How exactly am I wrong? Or were you just going to state I'm wrong with no explanation?

>>384449195
Xenosaga one

>>384449636
>The worst out of all persona game.
Confirmed for never playing P1.

>>384445824
This is the case with P4 too tho.

>>384436236
>watching reddunkey

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>>384449913
How do you know what he's talking about if you haven't seen it yourself?

>Release like crazy lots of smt games during the ps2 era
>Need a decade to release one shit game on ps3 and ps4

What happened?

>>384449652
The overall plot is literally different, hell you said some of it was worse. You already have a biased in your mind that it was 1:1 with P4.
I mean fuck, just theme already different that's how biased you are.

>>384433801
Not the Deus Ex Machina mascot character, that was Aigis.

>>384426456
I concur with this.

The biggest problem P5 has is that it falls flat after an extremely strong opening. The whole Kamoshida arc has strong characterization, which continues into the Madarame arc. The game's theme is at its best and brightest here.

The problem is that once Makoto gets introduced, you start getting tangled into ~The Conspiracy~ which takes away from what the theme is. It doesn't help that Makoto effectively becomes the stealth protagonist at that point, but then the entire next arc is focused on Futaba and her neet issues, and it becomes much less a game about rebelling against unjust authority and more about fighting back against ~The Conspiracy~.

Characters that aren't Makoto or Futaba get shit on entirely. Ryuji and Ann have their characterization and separate arcs completely thrown off a cliff while Yusuke fades into the background. Haru is literally who and Morgana never actually gets closure about his reason for existence. The strength the game had during the first two arcs had is completely unraveled by the time Futaba joins, leaving weak dungeons and cartoonishly evil villains for the rest of the game.

Persona 5's main problem is that its theme doesn't resonate as well as Persona 4, where accepting the side of yourself you don't want to acknowledge was a clear and present theme throughout the game. The act of rebellion in Persona 5 is quite muddled late into the game -- are you fighting a rigid society that places undue expectations on you, or are you just fighting against people who screwed you over? The game never makes that clear, and it suffers for it.

>>384450195
It's mainly kids tackling criminals that are way out of their league. And while that generalization is unfair to compare the two, from the order of the characters you meet to how the overall party tackles the conflict in each "chapter," just resonates a ton of comparisons for 4 and 5, with the only difference being the walking encyclopedia slash mary sue (Makoto) joins your party far too early to give your party enough time to develop with one another.

And the reasons why I hold it lower in some regards to P4 story-wise is due to that main fact, where main characters just end up taking back seats and offering nearly 0 input at a certain point in the game. The dynamic of Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke and Morgana was perfectly fine, but as soon as Makoto joins, the general focus ends up plating itself on her, the few times we see this break away is the very minor incidents where Fukawa, Ryuji or Yusuke make a minor joke. And while an argument can be made for some dead characters in P4 (Yukiko) overall the party constantly has tons of interactions wtih each other to make them feel like a party, instead of making them feel like they're tethered to 1 character, like how P5 was written.

Now I'm not holding P4 on some golden pedestal, I'm just saying in terms of writing, it does a lot better than P5. It also doesn't help that they recycled the same exact twist,
but just had it end ever so slightly different,
with the detective being revealed to be one of the masterminds and the traitor, and in some regard I believe Adachi was handled better,
mainly because he existed first, and Akechi was written 8 years later.

>>384450195
I think he meant the plot structure

>MC gets superpowers
>mascot character that is actually a shadow becomes pointman
>MC gets superpowers on punk friend and bitch friend
>gets in over their heads and starts doing it for their own reasons
>initial members rendered useless once a later party member joins
>suddenly world ending shit

>>384450580
Also have no clue why I thought Futaba's name was Fukawa, my bad there lmao, it's been a while since I touched the game.

>>384450626
Morgana isn't a shadow and world ending shit didn't happened in p4 but I guess you could generalise it like that

>>384449869
Yeah, and that was stupid and forced too, just for the sake of having a melodramatic bittersweet ending when in reality there's no reason why he needed to go back, and no actual drama in doing so when they have like 1 year of high school left before college/adult life anyway.

>>384450580
>just resonates a ton of comparisons for 4 and 5
>instead of making them feel like they're tethered to 1 character, like how P5 was written.
See, youliterally oversimplesize everything. Like you don't even bother to paid attention and just generalize everything like P4.

>>384448315
I am not a DUMB SMELLY CANCERTARD LIKE YOU!

>>384451067
>just for the sake of having a melodramatic bittersweet ending when in reality there's no reason why he needed to go back
Yea nah

>>384450181
earthquake

>>384450548
The opening had me super psyched about how the Phantom Thieves were some group that was really being taken seriously at that time, and I was really interested in what the deal with the casino was given everyone in it was acting human (like the security men in black weren't some mutated shadow freaks and were using actual earpieces and had a command center). And when Joker's captured, it's by real police too.

I thought it was going to be a real world thing. That'd have been such a cool progression based on the early game, where they make a big deal about wanting to be an inspiration and hiding their identities and struggling with one criminal, and somehow they're going to show up in public to really prove their existence, and got good enough at metaverse stuff to just weave in-and-out.

I also thought there'd be more stuff like Madarame's, where everyone actually participated throughout the entire dungeon. And thought Yusuke would be heavily involved in doing actual Phantom Thieves propaganda grafitti, like he's doing in the intro.

But just none of those went anywhere.

>>384451220
Yeah probably, but I just couldn't stop thinking how much the entire game felt like a different stylized Persona 4. Persona 3 had a distinct enough tone and setting that lets it differentiate itself from the other Persona games for example, but to me at least P4 and P5 just feel too similar to justify giving P5 any additional credit.

Also as >>384450548 said I really don't like how butchered the cast felt as soon as Makoto joined the squad. I actually don't recall having too many issues with the game until we hit that point.

>>384451424
>I also thought there'd be more stuff like Madarame's
Reminder that Madarame's is the ONLY Palace where you perform an actual heist.

>>384451549
Even besides that, the split-up section of Joker/Ryuji by themselves while Ann/Morgana have to unlock a door in the real world was neat.

The real-life dungeon stuff in the others were just wasting time and generally kinda stupid. Like the entire group just coming to attend a trial, and no one seems to really care about why these people are all together in this place and they aren't really doing anything. They just kinda show up there and don't even have to do anything.

Why do people hate Makoto again? Is she the Yukari of P5 or something?

>>384451757
>Like the entire group just coming to attend a trial, and no one seems to really care about why these people are all together in this place and they aren't really doing anything.
I forgot about that part, that's the second stupidest part in the game only behind when they all beat up on Ryuji after he comes back from Shido's ship when they thought he died.

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>>384451837
First, Makoto needs access to all police records and intel. Second, when Makoto's offscreen, everyone should be asking "Where's Makoto?"

>>384451837
Completely ruins the group dynamic since the writers move pretty much all important and meaningful dialog to her. Ryuji, Ann and Yusuke all become completely worthless in regards to the plot once she joins.

Not kidding when I say she is the worst Persona character by far.

>>384451757
>Like the entire group just coming to attend a trial, and no one seems to really care about why these people are all together in this place and they aren't really doing anything
It was public trial.

>>384451837
She's the cutest and most popular and relatively the rather plot relevant second to Futaba

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>>384425615
i didn't play it yet but was thinking about getting it
would this game be enjoyable to a non-weeb who enjoys dragon quest and the like?
i was already severely disappointed in tw3 and bb i can't handel another meme /v/ recommendation that is actually mediocre

>>384452002
Yes, but no one even brings it up that Makoto, Akechi, Joker, Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, Haru, and maybe even Futaba all just came together to an ultra-specific place in public for seemingly no reason to do nothing.

And they make it a point that Sae has to have noticed them. And Sae doesn't seem to give a shit about either of her own sister or Akechi being there, together, with this massive group of other suspects.

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>>384452140
>Dragon Quest
>Non-weeb

>>384451956
>everyone should be asking "Where's Makoto?"
Thinking back, they do became almost to reliant on Makoto. But isn't she supposed to be the I-can-do-everything student council prez trope?

>>384451980
>writers move pretty much all important and meaningful dialog to her
I'm not that far myself but isn't that cuz she's related to a very important social link that unfortunately we can't fuck?

>>384452147
Who is that "no one"? Who supposed to care about how group of friends spend their free time?

>>384452287
I don't know, maybe the police that have had them cased as suspects for the past few months. Maybe the prosecutor for the Phantom Thieves case whose trial they specifically attended to get the attention of. Maybe any of the tons of fans of Akechi who's suddenly seen slumming around with this group he has seemingly no affiliation with.

>>384452279
Partially yes, but that doesn't entirely excuse making the previous characters barring Morgana entirely irrelevant. I really liked the dynamic of the group for the first two palaces, both in and out of the Metaverse, but that quickly crumbles once Makoto joins the fray.

Should've gone with the original plan where you stayed with the Nijimas with Sae acting as your guardian and Hifumi was a party member.

>>384452279
>But isn't she supposed to be the I-can-do-everything student council prez trope?
Yes, but realistically with that in mind she should be included last. Naoto did the same exact shit and was held off until the 5th or 6th dungeon.

The game would have had far better pacing if Haru was included after Yusuke, followed by Futaba and then Makoto.

>>384451837
Naoto 2.0 except she actually says important stuff instead of parroting the party

>>384452147
>And they make it a point that Sae has to have noticed them. And Sae doesn't seem to give a shit about either of her own sister or Akechi being there, together, with this massive group of other suspects.
Did you pay attention at all? It's about cognition. Casino=court. Only those who were seen in the court by Sae can enter high stakes floor.

>>384452436
Yeah it's not like Akechi was in charge of PT case and was orchestrate everything for police raid to happen when it happened. Right?

>>384452576
...Yes, it's about Sae, in real life, noticing her sister, Akechi, and 6 other suspects in the Phantom Thieves case that she's leading the investigation of, are attending one of her trials with no given reason or warning to her.

And she doesn't even ask her sister or Akechi what the deal with that is.

It's thrown in just for the cognition shit, but the real life ramifications of doing it went nowhere, which makes it super fucking pointless.

>>384426013
>P4
>Better than P5
Why are P4 faggots so fucking stupid?

>>384452823
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>384452780
Sae was kicked out of the case at this point and she didn't know that they are suspects here

>>384426013
>P4 nigger complaining about neutered difficulty and a shitty twist when P4 was entirely composed of a shitty twist and the difficulty was even more nonexistent than P5
Do Persona 4 faggots just live in an alternate timeline where P4 was a completely different game or something

>>384425615
Why does everybody shit on Ryuji?
He's not a bad boy, he's pretty damned good. Hell, they only survive because he nearly pulls off a sacrifice and they beat him for it.

>>384453151
Shadow Yukiko is genuinely more difficult than any P5 boss, confidant bonuses make P5's difficulty nonexistent.

>>384453065
She absolutely knew they were suspects, given she has a dossier of it throughout the entire interrogation that happens at the end of her dungeon section.

She also knows her sister and Akechi personally, and suspected Akechi of tampering with her laptop. Makoto and Akechi aren't friends and don't even go to the same school.

What explanation do they even have for why they're attending her public trial? She just doesn't care for some reason even though the entire point is she has to notice all of them and does.

>>384453151
P4fags are mentally retarded and think their boring friend simulator is a good game.

sp patches

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>mfw I wasted 70 hours on this shit

Thank god they only release one game every decade.

>>384452823
Both games have problems, p4 literal first 2 hours of the game you do nothing but watch cutscenes. Game throws you too many dumb red herrings, making the investigation team look dumb. At least the characters were interesting along with the social links. Music was better, the moment when you gotta save nanako and hearing her dungeon music.

P5 drags on far too long, there's no real sense of urgency or threat till the end. Futaba and Haru being indifferent when they finally confront the killer of their parents. Theme of game was being shackled to society, but all the main characters and villains were outcasts and stood outside of society's constraints. Social link stories sucked. Gameplay was a huge improvement, but the sounds in the game were annoying. Hearing that SHING for every ambush makes every encounter a headache inducing affair. Music is forgettable other than the them of the phantom thieves.

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>>384450580
>walking encyclopedia slash mary sue (Makoto)
>it is another Makoto is a Mary Sue coz she can use her fucking brain
Everytime I see this I immediately start discarding opinions

>>384453260
They took everything that annoying from Yosuke and Kanji's personality and combined it into one character.

How is a track star athlete so annoying and dumb? The only good parts are from when you learn more backstory about taking care of his mom, but it's only briefly mentioned. You're hanging out with a character that you don't even know about outside the relation that you're both troublemakers.

>>384453267
>rakukaja chie and bring a persona with bufu
>harder than any P5 boss
OK

>>384448662
Jesus this should have been the regular boss theme

>>384425615
it wasn't good as P4 and Ann didn't show enough skin.

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>>384453293
She was kept in the dark until Joker was caught. Only then she got all the info she needed as she would prosecute in his case

>>384453457
>P4 music
>Better
Seriously, I'm starting to worry about P4fags.

>>384453485
How about because she's a Mary Sue who's good at everything and has no real flaws? Any time I see someone pretend she's not a Mary Sue I know they're the absolute worst kind of waifufag.

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One of the main problems I had was with the stealing hearts concept. It felt like such a cheap way to expose the criminals. I feel like it would have been much better if the treasure inside the palaces was some sort of evidence that you could take into the real world to prove that the person was a criminal. Like important photographs or documents or something that you turn in to expose them. A sudden change of heart was never satisfying for me because it felt like the person apologizing wasn't the same person I was previously despising and robbing.

The other main thing that bothers me is that there's never any real consideration or consequence of changing someone's heart. Like, they wonder about it once or twice, but that's it. I seriously felt bad changing these people's hearts. It felt like I was killing their personality and replacing it with a submissive complacent one. It felt like lobotomizing them or something. It would have been nice if they had debated and questioned the morality of their actions instead of celebrating after each "heist."

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>>384454084
She is only good at planning shit and the only one in the team advocating caution or restrain. A good skill but not even the most important character in PT

>has no real flaws?
Her investigation into the PT and gouging Komashida was pants on retarded. Also she had standard school prez problems

>>384454258
She's only good at school, and being the strongest without powers, and being responsible, and being the team mouthpiece and strategist, and moving the plot forward, and driving the car. She totally has flaws, like her social link that's about helping someone else, and that one don't choice she made so you could start her dungeon.

Seriously, Makotofags who think she's not a Mary Sue are a special kind of retard.

>be Makoto
>black belt in kung fu or karate
>Persona's skills physical skills suck ass
lame

It lost steam after Kamoshida's dungeon. The dungeons that followed weren't nearly as varied, involved, or interesting.

It still introduced a party character really late in the game so a whole character gets basically no development.

It went with the most obvious twist. I'm almost positive that everyone thought it was going to be a red herring because of how obvious it was. The it wasn't a red herring, it was actually the twist.

Feels cut short. Even with the usual endings P3 onward, it felt really truncated. Things come to a head very, very quickly, after like 100 hours of slow build up, and it feels unsatisfying when the game ends.

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>>384454448
Yes wow, she is also goody two shoes, a bitch to authority, uncharismatic as fuck, don't know what to do with her life, easily goaded to doing something stupid. Even her Slink shows that she is too evangelical for her own good, seeing how she failed to convince her friend to do jack shit until it is too late. Plus driving the car is only she is the old enough to drive?

Read up on what is actually means to be a Mary Sue and shut the fuck up forever. Shit on Makoto all you want but she is no Mary Sue

>>384454725
The twist was that they knew and planned against it. If you even pretend this was obvious without spoilers, consider killing yourself.

>>384454783
>Reaching to hard to pretend she's not a Mary Sue because you're objectively wrong
Being polite isn't bad. Uncharismatic is completely subjective, and she's the one who gets people to open up to get in game which makes you objectively wrong. She isn't a bitch to authority at all, she does what she's told most of the time, and feels horrible about lying to her sister when she has to. A high school kid wondering about their future for all of a minute isn't a flaw. She literally saved her friend in the link. The car was in the other world.

Stop being such a fucking retard. Why are all Makotofags do brain damaged?

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>>384425615
It's not
The best JRPG since Persona 4

>>384454786
It's the second twist, but one that doesn't really matter because you're a fucking idiot if you think the main character is seriously going to die there.

The big question nearly the entire game is "Who betrayed you?" They set that up in the flash forward (or present). Whether or not you're going to get out of the predicament isn't really much of a thriller if you have a fucking brain.

You are a fucking retard if you think otherwise.

>>384453720
That's not even the worst part, it's the fact that when you do his S.link he's a completely different and better character
In game Ryuji: Complete moron who wont shut up about being a phantom thief
S.link Ryuji: A mature, contemplative young man who regrets being baited into making a terrible mistake
He's the biggest example yet in why the P4/5 party member S.link system fails and the weakness of the writing.

>>384455179
>The big twist is who betrayed you
And you have the gall to call other people stupid?

>Makotofag
Yup, confirmed retard.

>>384454939
makoto's phantom outfit is so ugly and she has boring hair
totally not a mary sue

>>384455340
>makoto's phantom outfit is so ugly
You're ugly

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>>384454939
>Being polite isn't bad.
That is not what goody two shoes mean retard
> Uncharismatic is completely subjective, and she's the one who gets people to open up to get in game which makes you objectively wrong
Everyone helped Fuataba to open up. Makoto wasn't the charmer in the swimsuit scenes
>She isn't a bitch to authority at all, she does what she's told most of the time, and feels horrible about lying to her sister when she has to.
>She is not X, but she does the definition of X

> A high school kid wondering about their future for all of a minute isn't a flaw
But she has never put any thought into coz see above.

>She literally saved her friend in the link
Too poorly and she wouldn't have accomplish shit without your help and encouragement

>The car was in the other world.
Which means that Morganna was doing most of the navigation. What are you literally whining about?

>Stop being such a fucking retard.
Oh fuck off, this is you whining about Makoto being a Mary Sue and then suddenly ditching the accusation to nitpick on characters that you don't like. Guess what a character that you don't like and nitpick is not the definition of Mary Sue. A Mary Sue is someone who explicity constantly being told by everyone on how perfect she is while doing jack shit to prove it. People only praise Makoto for planning coz she is the only one doing the planning.

Wallow in your hatred if you must, but keep your ignorance to yourself

>>384454786
>The crew literally talks about making a plan to dupe the traitor before you get caught
>Game intentionally hides the protagonist's discussion about who the traitor is under "drug effects"
>Line of questioning about who is and who isn't part of your team
>Dramatic reveal when Goro is walking down the hall toward the interrogation room

Why are you pretending he wasn't the twist?

>>384455301
>Makotofag

What in the hell are you talking about?

>>384454939
Not him
Makoto flaw is clearly lack of common sense in the real world, always jumo in the face of danger like her SL and with Kaenshiro
She doesn't understand emotion of other people like with her friend and and she has anger problem with let her team in to a 3000000 yen debt
That's not what a Mary Sue is

>>384455486
I believe he was about to quote me >>384455173
maybe

>>384455340
She's Mary Sue as fuck, but that ass in that suit is amazing.

>>384455389
Goody two shoes wouldn't break the law at all. You're objectively wrong. Play the game again, Makoto did all the talking in her house and the dungeon. You're online wrong again. You mean bitch as in too obedient? Did you miss the part where she became a criminal? Objectively wrong again. Again, high schoolers deciding on a career path isn't even close to resembling a flaw. Objectively wrong. She still saved her friend no matter how you try to frame it or move goalposts. Still wrong. She was driving the getaway car. I don't even think you played Futaba's palace. Wrong.

You're a fucking idiot and you objectively have yet to make a single point. Everything is a lie, or outright not a flaw. She's a Mary Sue, get over it.

>>384455508
>lack of common sense
Like the part where she comes up with all the plans and does all the talking? Oh right, we're pretending the one time she leapt without looking makes her not a Mary Sue.

>>384455679
>She's a Mary Sue, get over it.
That's not how things work buddy.

>>384455783
No, but pointing out the list of "flaws" you gave range from "not a flaw" to "complete lie" is how it works.

>>384455758
>Like the part where she comes up with all the plans and does all the talking?
90% of the ruse cruise was thanks to Futaba Makoto only planned like 50% of it. and fucking Mona talks more than Makoto you just hate her and you think she talks too much.
>we're pretending the one time she leapt without looking makes her not a Mary Sue.
Thus making her not a Mary Sue, the definition is broken .

>>384455915
>The only thing the PT did in the entire game was Futaba's hacks
>Morgana has more lines alone with the MC because he's the sidekick
>A superficial flaw used as a plot device to introduce a character bars them from being a Mary Sue
Holy shit.

>>384456037
>MAKOTO PLANS EVERYTHING
no she's not
>SHE TALKS TOO MUCH
no she's not
>SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY FLAWS
yes she does

holy shit indeed

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>>384428449
The few good moments this game has are because of Morgana.
Now, removing Ruyji is a better question, I think the game would definitely improve.

>>384425615
it wasn't, it was simply a bit boring
much better than 3 or 4 which were actually bad

>>384456103
>Literally name her 参謀
>Literally does all the talking at important points unless Anne is slutting it up
>Literally has no real flaws
Makotofags might actually be stupider than P4fags. In fact, they're probably the same group of shit eating retards.

>>384456292
Her name is 新島 真 get your kanji right
Depends on you definition of "important part" I bet you get mad that she talks during battle too
>Literally has no real flaws
That's not for you to decide fortunately

>>384456292
Makoto is a scaredy cat and a social inept for someone her age, what the fuck do you mean she has no flaws? She can't even talk back to her sister because her sister will always remind her that until she graduated and finds a job, she's a leech.
As for the planning, yeah, she's a bit more level headed, mostly for being a year older than the most of the cast, but she's not in any way better at planning than Akechi.

>>384456427
Holy shit. I don't even know what to say to this one.

>>384456473
>She listens to her sister who's older than her and supports her
>She steals her intel and tricks her, but ignore that

>>384456526
>She steals her intel and tricks her, but ignore that
She only puts a flash drive while her sister is in the bath, the work was done by Futaba, no one is ignoring anything.

>>384427617
Fags opinions don't matter, sorry!

>>384456526
You don't have to say anyting really
But do me a favor and read the deffinition of a Mary Sue next time
I don't think there's a "flaws that I like are considered real flaws" line there

>>384456526
>She steals her intel and tricks her,
Shocker! as if she works for the PT or something.
Not that she felt guilty afterwards or anything, not that didn't happen

>>384456643
>Knowingly steals info from her
>"It doesn't count because I say so"

>>384456659
The fact that you don't even realize the level of stupidity you hit with the last post is worrying. She's a Mary Sue, and you're function retarded.

>>384456723
>She always listens to authority and obeys the rules
>You just have to ignore her participation in the thief group
Oh ok, that makes sense.

>>384456742
>She's a Mary Sue, and you're function retarded.
And you are a just a normal retard.
Do me a favor and read the definition of a Mary Sue.
good day

I love P5 and I love the fact that makoto legitimatelly creates insane amounts of butthurt among retards and shitposters

>>384456813
>You just have to ignore her participation in the thief group
Everyone congratulated her after she hacked the laptop no one ignored shit

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>>384447321

>playing with the dub

ayyyyyyy lmao

>>384456742
Doing something mischievous in secret does not equal to talking back, last time I checked.
And most of the characters change after joining the thieves, so it's not that outlandish she can do that, but still can't be able to tell her what the fuck is going on and why is she part of a group her sister is in charge of arresting and prosecuting.

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>>384456882
I know right?
One of the reasons why I love her honestly.

>>384456826
>>384456913
Seriously, do you guys have brain damage?

>>384456882
>Makotofag pretending his waifu wasn't the worst part of the game

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>>384425615

Translation. I sincerely hope P5 gets some kind of a special release that does a page 1 rewrite of the whole English script and rerecords all the voiced lines too. It would improve the game so much if it was competently translated and localized instead of this "baby's first fansub" tier.

>>384456943
Not that anon, but I can't help hear Chopper when I hear JP Morgana

>>384425654
fpbp

also GOTY

>>384456969
>Seriously, do you guys have brain damage?
I was going to ask you that honestly.

>>384456951
>Disobeying authority doesn't count unless you talk back
Why? Why are you so stupid?

>>384425615
I'm glad people are waking up to the truth

>>384457006
Let me know when you figure out why this post
>>384456427
is so retarded that you should actually sterilize yourself.

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>>384456969
>>Makotofag pretending his waifu wasn't the worst part of the game
Well I didn't waifu Okumura's palace and I'm sure as hell didn't waifu Shido's ship
I think I waifu'd Makoto not those

>>384457061
>ESLfag
Gross. It's like stepping in poop.

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>>384457124
That doesn't change anything.
You get the point.

>>384457012
I literally said she can't talk back to her sister, why do you bring the only thing she does against her sister without her knowing until it was all said and done?

>>384457050
Other than the first part, it's not a bad post
all your argument based on hate, only flaws you like are real flaws and nothing else.
grow up

>>384425615
as someone whose first persona game was 5
>shitty unironic high school anime writing
>most of the game is cutscenes and VNshit
>your dialog choices are all basically the same thing and don't matter at all
>the only actual """"gameplay"""" is found in the dungeons
>movement feels like a PS2 game
>rigid cover system that sometimes places you in the spot where you want to be
>""""stealth""""" is literally just a line of sight system, the most basic shit ever
>"""""combat""""" is a joke where you just need to find the enemies weakness and knock them down
>negotiating with enemies is a dice roll, if you fail, just knock them down again
>no sense of resource management, i was not once in a situation where i had used up all of my sp
>characters like morgana are fucking annoying
>repetitive enemies, i know this is a JRPG, but when i'm fighting the same enemies 90 minutes in (which is when the first combat scenario happens, after 90 minutes of cutscenes) that i am in hour 5 it gets really fucking boring
>game tries too hard to be stylish that it ends up being cringe inducing plus has several unskippable animations that take to long
>"social links" are just watching a cutscene of the MC hanging out with one of the other one note personality characters
overall i don't understand the appeal other than people wanting a having friends simulator, in which case, go and hang out with some actual friends instead of playing this shit, or if you have no friends you can watch a sol high school anime where you can skip the god awful combat

>>384457219
Why would she talk back to her sister? She literally steals her heart when her sister gets out of hand. What's your obsession with that?

>>384457238
Still can't answer? Didn't think so, retard.

>>384456292
>In fact, they're probably the same group of shit eating retards.
Doubt it considering everyone who shits on P5 is a P4 nigger.

>>384457351
>She literally steals her heart when her sister gets out of hand. What's your obsession with that?
Did you even play the game?

>>384457351
Because I dunno if it was you or what other faggot claiming she has no flaws, and I mentioned she can't talk back to her sister, she can't even voice her opinion in front of her, then we had all this.
Also, they never stole her heart.

>>384457351
>Still can't answer? Didn't think so, retard.
I answered long time ago.
She's not a Mary Sue.
can't say it clearer than that.

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>>384425615
Tons of fucking expositive dialogues where every character hast to say at least one line everytime, etc

>Chat gets hacked by the NEET girl early on her part of the story
>Morgana: Hmmm it SEEMS like we got hacked
>Ryuji: HACKED? WHAT'S THAT
>Long ass dialogue to get to the conclusion that indeed, the have been hacked.

First Persona game where I enjoy the dungeons more than the dialogue sections. Fuck Morgana.

>>384425615

I liked it though. Better than 4 but still not as good as 3.

I really should play 2 but that battle system looks unfun and tedious.

>>384457395
I'd ask the same, not I know you didn't.

>>384457438
>Not talking back to the person who raised you is a flaw
You're dumb.

>>384457442
Still no? Keep trying.

>>384457698
They didn't not steal her heart you retard

The biggest problem with P5 is that it lacks a strong narrative thrust.

P4's story works better as a whole because what drives things forward is simply a murder mystery. P5 on the other hand has a hard time justifying its story after Kamoshida, the whole FUCK ADULTS thing just can't carry the game.

>>384457698
>Keep trying
I tried
still the same answer

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What is this autism that im reading? P5 mechanics was actually challenging, in P3 i had personas level 20 by the time i killed Chidori. P4
had such lame dungeon designs and bosses, and lack of fusion content. You could literally shit on every boss with the most trivial personas and lack of strategy.

This thread is a massive, gigantic, behemoth-like gargantuan leviathan sized b8.

>>384457763
Can't even tell if it's on purpose anymore.

>>384457814
Try harder. I need you to realize why that post was so impossibly fucking retarded. Besides pretending Makoto isn't a shitty Mary Sue.

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I just got to mementos depths and I'm pretty burnt out. Okmuras and shidos palace were horrible and this doesnt seem much better. Still prefer it to persona 4 simply because gameplay is better, but 3 will always be the best.
>tfw persona 4 ps4 remake

>>384457854
Play the game again, they didn't steal her heart.

>>384457854
I'm not talking about that post anymore Jesus Christ
Makoto is not a Mary Sue and that's it

>>384457996
>Go into her dungeon, beat the boss and cause a change of heart
Ok

>>384458052
You're stupid and very clearly underage.

>>384458202
Yeah just call names, that's the last resort to someone who doesn't have anything more to offer. Sad

>>384458202
Dude you're just making a fool of yourself. I understand you're going full retard just to try and cover up your mistake but it's still very sad

>>384458202
>Go into her dungeon, beat the boss and cause a change of heart
That's not how thing work idiot, Sae still has her palace. You'd have to steal the treasure to destroy that palace. her shadow still exists.