Persona 5

>>384405087
Yeah, it peters out quick. It's a great looking game and sounds great too, if you aren't in Mementos, but everything else about it is so damn bland past the first palace.

Yep. Story peaks with Kamoshida.

I dunno, i hated Madarame a lot.

>>384405087
Only because the first one was personal to you and yours. The others suffered from a larger cast.

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the opposite really, all the villains are so cookie-cutter IM AN ASSHOLE TEE HEE that i never felt anything for them even though the game tries to suggest that forcibly changing people's hearts might be ethically dubious

either make them pantomime villains who i can kick their ass or try to blur the moral lines a bit so i might hesitate on the righteousness of stealing hearts, but dont do both at the same time

>>384405363

Did you hate him before or after the last minute twist?

>>384405087
What?

Literally all the other villans are way more detestable than Kamoshida, with the exception of Madarame.

>>384405356
Nah, Madarame.

Kamoshida literally did nothing wrong.

He just wanted to win the championship.

>>384405609
Madarame destroyed careers for his own personal gain. That's more evil than what Kamoshida did. Once they left HS they were done with Kamoshida. Madarame, on the other hand, would plague them literally for life.

>>384405580
i thought he was an asshole before, but the twist pushed him into complete piece of shit tier.

>>384405087
what I really want to know is why all the dungeons after Kamoshida are such garbage. It introduced all these mechanics such as treasure-chest ambushes, stealthing around enemies, complex level design and set-pieces, and we never see that shit again.

Talk about setting yourself up for disappointment.

>>384405726
>That's more evil than what Kamoshida did.

Kamoshida destroyed people's educations.

Careers can be regained or changed. You only get one chance at education.

I think the problem was that Kamoshida was a realistic asshole, while everyone else was cartoonishly evil.

I don't know how you could go from a story of rape and suicide to fat mafia boss and lolpiggytank

>>384405087
i love how he can clearly see a cat in the bag but he do nothing.

>>384405726
The presentation of Kamoshida is what made him a more effective antagonist.

Madarame might have been more evil but the shit Kamoshida did actually mattered to the protagonist and other visible characters.

>>384405609

I'd argue the crimes were worse for the other people but Komoshida did all his shit for such a small, petty reason that made him much more hateable.

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>>384405087
Did anyone else find it really odd that people wouldn't shut up about Madarame stealing his students' art when he straight up let a woman die in front of him?

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>DUDE EFF ADULTS AM I RIGHT?

>>384405897
this
>that moment when Shiho offes herself, and you're like, nah, she won't jump... this a Persona game there's no way sh-
>DAMMNNNNN

And then

>MUAHAHAHAHA I LOVE MONEY! You're going to work for it Makoto HAHAHAHAHA! I'M SUCH A VILAIN :P

>>384406067
>hates adults
>is 17/18 years old, practically already an adult himself
what did he mean by this?

>>384406042

They probably threw that in because he wasn't evil enough.

It literally comes out of fucking nowhere.

>>384406042
Yeah Madarame pulled off quite a Walter White there but it was only mentioned once...

>>384405874
>Careers can be regained or changed. You only get one chance at education.
And once you're considered a bad artist or worse, a fraud, and the person saying this is an incredibly well-renowned artist your career in art is done: You are blackballed. You can change careers, yes, but that isn't so easy to do when a simple Google search pops up that you committed fraud.

You can move to a different school like Harry Potter did or wait it out for 1-3 years like Ryuji was content to do.

>>384406067
Yeah the whole, "we can't trust adults," shit gets brought up a lot and the game doesn't go anywhere with it. Especially when there are plenty of adults that are social links.

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>>384405087
The other villains were still assholes, but they didn't have the same level of investment as Kamoshida because most of the main characters weren't involved with them to the same degree.

So it was a lot of telling instead of showing, with us hearing over and over again how greedy and evil they were in their palaces but never seeing anything else interesting or intimidating about them as characters.

>>384405087
it was supposed to signify that they got selfish and made the phantom thieves all about personal fame and being the heroes and stuff and lost sight of why they would be given such powers

akechi didn't care what the moral implications were cuz he just wanted his father to recognize him so he could have closure before killing him

>>384405871

I think they did really try with the dungeons, introducing interesting mechanics and such but they just went way overboard on the repetitive corridors.

They wanted to increase the sizes of the dungeons but didn't really have the budget to fill them with distinctive sections. As the early dungeons were small, they felt more detailed.

>>384406373
>And once you're considered a bad artist or worse, a fraud, and the person saying this is an incredibly well-renowned artist your career in art is done:

And if you are considered a delinquent and school dropout/junior convict, your life is over before it even fucking begins.

Especially in Japan.

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>>384406378
Not to mention the corrupt kids and students who became targets in Mementos.

>>384406217

He's actually 16.

They should have made him 15 like Kanji, but then he couldn't suck Joker's dick .

>>384405871
>In Kamoshida's Palace certain rooms correspond to real locations in school like gym being a cathedral, safe room being places he has no reign over/doesn't give a shit about
>pretty much doesn't matter after his dungeon
>Madarame's Palace introduces the idea that you might have to leave and do something in real world to be able to progress
>pretty much doesn't matter after his dungeon

>>384405871
This.
Later it has cameras and lazers which are used once despite making dungeons more interesting.
What was the deal with dog enemies anyway?

>>384405356
Yup.

P5 suffers from literally all of the villains being either dogshit or poorly fleshed out.

>>384405874
You also can't be unraped.

>>384406598

There were some pretty fucked up people in Mementos that would have made way better palaces.

>>384406631

Both of those pop up again in the casino but yeah, they could have done more with the concept.

>>384406496
Yakuza and hard labor, like construction, are always an option.

>>384406714
They had a larger sense range and were tougher than human shadows. I think they had the ability to sense around corners to a degree too.

>>384405087
>Space palace is literally just a typical Japanese corporation
>Go there and change the president's heart despite everyone on the board of directors being the same and every other corporation being the same.
Haru's dad did do legitimately evil things, but they didn't know about that before they went after him. The story coupled with the shit dungeon made me almost unwilling to keep going.
The death at the end was retarded too. With how abusive the thieves are with changes of heart there could have been a real situation where they fuck up and change the wrong person's heart and end up killing someone or hurting a lot of people, but nope it was just notAdachi's fault so it's fine.

>>384405087

I think the other targets could have dealt with more screen time.

They're all scum, but aside from glimpses into Madarame's shady dealings we HEAR a lot of how shitty these guys are but don't actually see much of it.

Kamoshida was on your case for WEEKS

>>384406480
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to some of the time-sink puzzles on replays, but I think there was at least some effort made to make each of the dungeons feel a little more distinctive than the palette swaps they did in previous games.

>>384406856
>Yakuza and hard labor, like construction, are always an option.

So, condemned to a life of crime or of poorfagging

Losing your education is way worse than losing your career.

>Kamoshida
A lot of development and a strong connection to the main cast. Though it's questionable if it was worth drawing out the first palace so much.
>Madarame
Not as much development or involvement in the story but he did have a strong connection to Yusuke.
>Kaneshiro
Literally who, has nothing to do with any of the main characters, in fact they purposefully (and stupidly) get themselves involved with him because the story wouldn't fucking work otherwise.
>Futaba
A nice change of pace that ended up making her one of the more developed party members, overall fairly well executed.
>Okumura
Another literally who. While he is connected to Haru, she herself is a literally who at that point and is the most boring member of the party. He also doesn't really get involved with the plot outside of the Palace.
>Nijima
While she does have a lot of plot relevance, thematically I found her Palace to be a bit muddled.
>Shido
Considering how long the game is and how little involvement he had in the main plot up to that point (until the last minute twists where it turns out he was behind every single bad thing in the game all along), it was hard to get invested. He also wasn't especially interesting or charismatic. Good boss fight though.
>Mementos Depths
"We ran out of time", the dungeon.

Kamoshida seems more detestable because he is the only one that has directed any malice directly at [you].

The others are shitty people you try to put you in shitty situations once you discover their bullshit but Kamoshia was targeting you for weeks before you sort him out.

>>384406969
This. Even if fired or blackmailed you still have skills, education and work experience to offer.
No without school you are fucked to Kaiji-lifestyle.

>>384406734
I like how Shido, the main villain of the game who happens to be a politician, is so poorly fleshed out I have no idea what his political position even is. Libertarian? Authoritarian right-wing? Socialist? No idea. Apparently knowing something as simple as this is simply too much to expect in this game.

>>384407058
Kamoshida is the only one who actually does shitty things in front of you for an extended period of time. You interact with Kaneshiro like what, once? Twice?

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Did Kamoshida actually full on penetrate the volleyball chick?
I need to know before I consider it for GOTY.

>>384407237

yes

hence the suicide attempt

what if kamoshida was a grill

>>384407237
yes, it's implied he raped her

>>384405087
Kaneshiro was really the only one I thought was lame, and that's primarily because he was already a a criminal.

>>384406973
I read originally Makoto supposed to fight school director. Would make sense.
Mafia is interesting trope, but Kaneshiro was really shitty character.

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>>384406914
I would have settled for seeing a bit more of their human side as well. We're supposed to feel bad that Haru lost her father, but he was so shit to her during all their screentime that it's hard to see why she cared.

Maybe they could have explored how they became corrupt in the first place instead of solely focusing on the bad side?

Like how Futaba's palace fleshed out why she felt the way she did about herself.

>>384406861

To be fair, you were manipulated into picking Haru's dad.

>>384406914
I agree with that, you needed more direct interactions with the targets. The Yakuza boss for example would have been better presented as initially a friend helping out only for it to result in a slowly escalating series of 'favours' and manipulations that gradually lead him to having complete control over the characters rather than simply getting blackmailed the first time you meet him.

>>384406969
We can argue this round and round: Let's just agree that both are dicks, both ruined lives and both drove people to suicide.

>>384406973
>While he is connected to Haru, she herself is a literally who at that point
Funny thing is you can see and talk to Haru around the school a lot as well as at Hawaii but she has no portrait. Makoto always had a portrait.

>>384405087
Yeah the rest of the villains weren't as good but Baldy was pretty fantastic and the finale made it all worth it.

>>384407316

Really? I thought it was just physical abuse.

>>384407446
you mean his boss fight was fantastic. As a character Shido was damn lame.

>>384407365
Futaba's Palace was the best in the game. Its not a fair comparison because of the purpose it served the narritive.

>>384407382

Or at least raise the stakes a little. I mean, you'd always see Kamoshida in the halls and he'd shit talk you the entire time while you went to work on his palace and shit. Why didn't the other have moments like that? Like if for example, instead of getting texts from your fucking friends every night, Kaneshiro starts calling you and sending you shit on your phone and just acts like a dickhead for a month.

>>384406973
>>Kaneshiro
>Literally who,
i thought he was one of those funneling money into shido's campaign

>>384407619
Yeah, it's pretty great. Shame it's stuck between the two weakest parts of the game.

>>384407446
Did you mean to say Baldy or Valdy?

Because one of them is a rad ass muscle man who abuses nanomachines and the other is the Demiurge.

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>>384406973
Yeah, pretty much my thoughts.

Though I did like some of the character interactions in Shido's palace. It felt a little drawn out and didn't develop Shido himself as a character, but I liked that they tried to give most of the party members a chance in the spotlight during the different stages of the heist.

>>384407313
GIRLS CAN"T RAPE REEEEEEEEEE

No they were all easily hateworthy it just takes too long for anything of genuine substance to hit after Kamoshida leaves the scene.

Madarame is a completely unrelated character to the central plot and Kaneshiro has little to do with it as well. You're 75% into the game by the time you complete Futaba's dungeon, and you only just started the real plot, and only just got your real support character.

It feels like a massive, bloated beginning and then a really fast ending arc. Kind of like a girl edging you over and over again and then instead of getting to nut in her you blow your load on the carpet.

>>384407708
So was almost every other villain. Why? Because Cognition, I guess.

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>>384405363
Madarame really felt like they were pushing him to be this un-forgivable cartoon villan so yuske would not feel bad about "betraying" him.

than they went back on it in yuskes SL and it just made me laugh.

>"yeah, Madarame let you mom die and was using you for profit but, he help you one time when you were being sick so, he was not all bad."

>>384407718
they should have done more shit like that where they subvert your expectations. IMO they should have taken a page out of Paper Mario 2 and did a dungeon where the entire thing was a tournament you had to win, or one where you had almost no combat.

>>384405694
Yeah, raping your star player into a suicidal mindset, just because her hot friend wouldn't put out, that's fine.

>>384406973

>Final dungeon
>Bad

Fuck you I liked it.
>Game is about rebelling against authority.
>Exploring a prison where you even see your former enemies having given up on life.
>Turns out Igor wasn't Igor but an impostor manipulating you and his attendant throughout the game.
>Final dungeon is the ultimate symbol of authority; a fake heaven inhabited by fake angels and led by a megalomaniacal false god, who you defeat by shooting him in the fucking face.

>>384408009
t. virgin

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Persona 5 falls flat on villains compared to P4, they basically gave you an Adachi-tier villain right from the start and it kinda fell flat after the 2nd villain. I thought shit was supposed to build up and feel great once you took out the villains, but I had a mostly meh reaction the entire game. The most excited I was in the game was Futaba's reaction to me saying that I loved her.

Honestly they should've made Mementos a part of the story, y'know like making you go into it and gain info on the next targets by taking out the corrupt people around them and then going after the major villain of that arc, or at least show the damage they've done to make you feel pretty damn pissed at them and want to change their heart.

>>384407195
I think that's fine, though. His politics really aren't important, and if they give it a specific type then a lot of people will get scrutinize what that implies the developers think about that political stance. The point is that whatever his politics are, they're meant to stand out from the old regime which was plagued with scandals.

>>384406598
i could go for some pancakes right now.

>>384408042
this, Depths of Mementos was an amazing dungeon concept-wise, it did felt rushed and uninspired gameplay-wise tho. But it did hit too close to home, I could imagine myself being one of the prisoners, and more than half the people I know

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>hateable
Nigga I wasn't hating on him. I was jelly and cheering him on. He lived the live, he was having sex with underage minors that are also his students. This is like the biggest fantasy for anyone like me working in education

>>384408160
Calling Kamoshida an adachi tier villain is an insult to Kamoshida.
/v/ is so fucking biased towards Adachi it can't see how fucking awful he was in every single way anymore, it's ridiculous

>>384408160
P5 had better teammates and setting than P4 in my opinion but yeah, P4s villan was better

Persona 5 doesn't have very good writing and suffers from having black and white morality. It would have been better if you actually had to decide whether or not the Phantom Thieves were actually just, and if they had story branches to accomidate it.

Of course, no Persona will ever have that, because the fanbase only cares about waifus.

>>384408206
But they are important. Just compare him to Senator Armstrong from MGSR, who is basically a superior version of Shido. His politics were developed and relevant to both the story and the modern world, which made him very endearing and memorable. Nobody was mad at Armstrong being an obvious republican.

>>384405087
I didn't give a shit about Kamoshida. I simply didn't care. I don't care about the rest of this game - the palace was alright but everything from the setting to the characters to the music is so completely boring that I simply can't be bothered to play the rest.

>>384408042
the dungeon was cool in a creepy way. its just the final boss that i dislike.

>>384408457
>Implying P2 and P3 aren't some of the best written JRPGs ever made
They're in the top twenty.

I can't say the same about P4 and P5, though.

>all that farfetched shit about getting Akechi to kill the fake (you)

defend this

>>384408626
>Nobody was mad at Armstrong being an obvious republican.
This is wrong.

>>384408626
Are you being fucking serious right now? Armstrong is a fucking meme. One of the best memes to come out of this shithole in a long time but a meme nonetheless.

>>384408714
And you're a fucking memer as well. P3 has fairly shitty writing and Tadashi couldn't keep his dick erect for more than a single game.

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>>384408042
>Let's build up a villain throughout this entire game
>Lol, it's not him, it's the Demiurge

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>>384408714
>implying p3 has good writing

>>384408457
P4G did have an ending where you sided with the killer. It also had like 6 different endings, but no one cares about anything else than True End.
>Persona 5 doesn't have very good writing and suffers from having black and white morality.
what bothers me the most is how despite that everyone still acts like it's all actually grey and PTs might not be doing the right thing. Maybe if they tried to make the villains a little less cartoonish, it would've worked.

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It's been months. You got that Persona 5 platinum yet?

>>384408457
>and if they had story branches
Nah fuck your shitty freedom and choice bullshit, all it needed was more focus on Personas and shadow world stuff. Make the Yaldabaoth arc the entire last third of the game, live within his world for a month at least trying to infiltrate his "real world shadow palace" as a proper dungeon, maybe have him stalking or talking to you in a human form in the real world, make the player think it's just a mysterious character until he reveals himself as the fake igor and yaldabaoth.
The final boss should have way more impact than Yaldabaoth and Izanami had. At least Nyx was an overpowering force threatening and squashing the group's morale for the last couple months of Persona 3.

>>384408889
Waiting for the eventual expansion.

Right now I'm trying to forget as much about the game as possible.

>>384408889
Yeah the hardest trophies were getting Futaba's lines and completing the compendium (had to do an ENTIRE ng+ run just to find the 3rd last treasure demon in futaba's palace).

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>>384405087
Persona 5 is all tell and not show. The game shows you why Kamoshida is evil. The game just tells you why the others are villains

>>384408776
who was angry at it? /pol/?

>>384408889
this isn't chuchulainn. what the fuck SE?

>>384408656
I'm with you. I played P3 and P4 multiple times but it took me forever to finish P5 once, I was never really investesd into anything that was happening or the characters.

>>384409052
>Yeah the hardest trophies were getting Futaba's lines
I got that one by accident without even trying before I finished the game.

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>>384408419
I think Adachi worked because he was just sort of a random schmuck who got super powers.

Being a guy burnt out on life's hardships and screwing with the status quo was a simple motive, but it fit the theme of his character.

Whereas I thought Akechi was kind of wasted potential, going from being a potential moral counterpoint and intelligent rival to the thieves to just being another cartoonishly evil obstacle with a nonsensical scheme.

>>384409130
I didn't care for those games either. In Persona 5 the gameplay finally seemed to be on point, but I still don't care about the other aspects.

>>384408419
Adachi is actually good compare to any """"villain"""" from 5.

>>384409132
Yeah same. Doing something like max social links you have to actually really go out of your way to do.

>>384409132
I didn't because I was never in danger of having low health, never let status effects go on for more than a single turn, and used the same party for most of the game after Futaba (Queen, Mona, Fox). It was difficult because so many lines rely on you having bad status, dying, and just generally being a shitty leader.

>>384409148
Adachi is great because his motive is simple and understandable.

>my life is so shit
>fuck, this stupid bitch doesn't let me grab her pussy
>into the TV you go!

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>>384408457
>because the fanbase only cares about waifus.
Well, to be honest I think the relationship and social links are what really suffer from a lack of branching dialogue and choices.

Half of the time I feel like I'm barely a participant in the relationships where people are declaring me their best friend.

>>384405087

I've never seen a more punchable face than this.

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>>384409265
lul

>>384409148
>tries to take on the Power of Friendship solo
>eats shit

worst detective

>>384407446
rivers in the desert + shido boss makes the entire game worth it, not even joking, it's that good

i thought they had a satisfactory amount of motivation for the lyrics to be relatable

>>384406973
>>Nijima
>While she does have a lot of plot relevance, thematically I found her Palace to be a bit muddled.

>a casino where the games are rigged
>a judicial system with 99.8% conviction

I dunno, seems fine enough to me thematically.

>>384409148
Akechi was my favorite character pre-twist. It was pretty great having someone use moral relativity to say their reformations weren't objectively good. But nah he just had daddy issues :^)

>>384409371
The characters exist only to stroke your dick and proclaim you their greatest life long buddy or request that insert your dick in their mouth.

They're all completely without personality or humanity. They don't grow as people beyond worshipping your dick. They don't grow as friends without your presence. Ryuji never grows to care for anyone in the group without you there, nor does any other character. They're not characters. They exist to masturbate the player.

>>384409148
Adachi was just much more relatable.
I found it much harder to related to anyone in P5 because of how specific their situation was. With Akechi you can at best feel bad for him andhis situation and that's it.

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>>384408419
Adachi had the most impact of the game and one of the more memorable modern JRPG villains so I think he's a good comparison to Kamoshida, only difference is we had longer buildup for Adachi and a shorter but more detailed one for Kamoshida. Shido and Akechi would've been the Adachi but Atlus fucked up, making both of their arcs complete garbage and rushed. Say what you will about Adachi but he was a pretty decent villain in the happy-go-lucky game that was P4 by being the complete opposite of the IT and yet still having a decent point, while also being a complete asshole.
>>384408454
I kind of agree, 5's team had more going for it than 4's since you felt a little bit more close and not just a bunch of kids with superpowers doing shit because you can, but I don't agree with the setting. P4's setting was mostly consistant with the message and story, the story didn't really feel disjointed to me, made sense and had good buildup and development from one arc to the next.

And yeah P4's villains were better, hell even Mitsuo the red herring was a pretty good villain even if it was for a short time since he was a good example of what happens when you don't accept your shadow and let yourself be a hedonist, in fact you could say he was a good hint to what the real killer, Adachi might be like.

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Are the Phantom Thieves really just?
I got to the Depths and saw Good Guy Kamoshida in the prison talking as if his whole life was ruined as a result of his change of heart, his smile and optimism were gone. He no longer seemed interested in pushing his athletes to new heights. In fact, it seems that having a palace was a good thing if you stop and think about it.
Are the Phantom Thieves the bad guys?

>>384409434
That's a reenactment. Why would Adachi be a "suspect"?

>>384409434
Yeah, funny how such a simple motive could create a more complex charater than any villain from 5.

>>384409608
Which is why SEES is the best team, because not only do some of them flatout despise you at points, they also have relationships amongst themselves.

>>384409148
Are we still parroting this shit? P5 made it stupidly clear why Goro did everything he did, and it wasn't something you can just boil down to muh daddy issues and call it a day either like most retards will try to. Him being a dirt simple lawfag is substantially less interesting than writing a character that's the complete opposite of your player character in ways that Adachi can't hold a candle to. Whether or not you can't buy into any of it because the game didn't "show" enough despite having him chimp out during his boss fight for this very reason is your problem.

>>384409281
Not really. I managed to get all but two maxed my first playthrough. Uni's SL is incredibly and retardedly OP for that. I can easily perceive some people getting it complete if they knew ahead of time how OP her shit was and didn't waste probably 5 full days praying at a shrine like I did.

>>384409326
I was switching them in based on weaknesses in an area up until Haru. By that point my group was pretty static: Haru, Makoto and whomever since those two aren't weak to much.

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>>384409637
Yeah, go and try to tell Joker he's not just and see what happened

>>384405087
He had to be since they were risking the mental shutdown happening. After they realized that they could avoid that, the serious tone of the game died down drastically

>>384409720
>You're acting like spoiled brat
>NO I'M NOT REEEEEEEE
Adachi was such a good villain

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>>384409608
I wouldn't say the Phantom Thieves have zero chemistry as a group, but it is a shame that P3 still feels like the only one of the modern Personas that really allowed everyone in the group to have their own character arc and group interactions outside of social links.

>>384409928
found a triggered Gorofag
show us your collection of fanart with Shido fucking Goro in the ass, fujo

I'm surprised there wasn't any development/twist with the game's intro, the protag getting into a scuffle with shido, then getting shipped off to a guy who was very closely connected to the metaverse/shido himself. It's pretty huge, but is left as being pure coincidence. Like, how do the protag's parents know Sojiro, and why do they trust him enough to look after their kid?

>>384409720
complex is not the word I would use
simple and easy for people to latch onto without much thought put in, sure.

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>>384407505
>You were so reluctant to throw yourself on me, so I had her take your place

That sounds like more than abuse to me.

>>384410134
Party member social links killed the franchise. Because of this, DA MAN, Akihiko, and Shinji will continue to be the only fleshed out nu-Persona characters.

>>384410165
All was part of a game created by Yaldy.

>>384409358
In retrospect it's even greater
>Yo this fucking god told me that whoever I see in the TV is my soulmate
>Eyy girl let me get up on that, we're soulmates, Izanami said so
>Get rejected again, life continues to suck even when a god told you what to do
>Into the TV you go!

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>>384405087
Shido was honestly so shit it broke my suspension of disbelief

>hmmmm we have this group of people that have access to the metaverse
>the only possible people that could interfere with my goal of being elected and ruling the country with total power
>I COULD discreetly exterminate them like always
>or I could subvert the public's opinion of them even though there's no need to do this because there's absolutely nothing tying me to the mental shutdowns and I can already alter the narrative to shift the blame on someone else (Okumura)
>it could make me more popular, but I've already risen as the leading candidate
>yes, instead of eliminating them I should alert them to my massive conspiracy, the only possible people that could stop me

But I guess yaldy made him retarded because it was a game haha, what trash

>>384410165
>Like, how do the protag's parents know Sojiro
weren't they just friends of Sojiro's friend?

>>384410116
The good old greentext shitpost.

>>384410156
Do you subhumans have anything worth saying or is this all your good for? Screaming fujo until you ejaculate all over your keyboard and have to spend the next hour cleaning up and then crying yourself to sleep that night because you couldn't keep your shit together on the internet?

>>384405087
Yeah it's not like it's a massive plot point that the phantom thieves become less invested in changing hearts and just start doing it because the popularity gets to their head or anything. What terrible writing that every target didn't attempt to rape a party member.

>>384410249
A thousand times this. Don't make them social links, expand the time of the game by a few months, add in other characters to replace them as social links.

>>384409928
Akechi's entire motivation and actions boil down to "he's actually just insane, and evil"

>>384410376
oh no, the fujo is mad
go cry to tumblr about how Goro dindu do nuffin and is a pure cinnamon roll

>>384410294
I know you were being sarcastic but Yaldy didn't do shit to Shido. Goro was his candidate. Shido's just fucking retarded.

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>>384409928
>being a dirt simple lawfag is substantially less interesting
Why? I think it could have been an interesting point to explore if a character opposed the thieves without doing it out of malice or jealousy, but instead was genuinely allowed to acknowledge that forcibly changing a criminal's free will is arguably wrong.

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>>384410249
>Put majority of character development in side content
Bravo Atlus you fucking hacks

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Why does Lavenza still execute Personas when her memory returns?

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>>384410228
It was definitely sexual harassment at the very least. Japanese games can't outright imply rape so they use roundabout methods to get you to guess it.

>>384410207
Compare to 5 complex is the word I would use.

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>>384410298
It's true though. He got told by the bunch of kids and goes full REEEEEE

>>384409928
People are disappointed that it basically boiled it down to this >>384410459 even if the game never tried to be above it or was never going for something else. It's like someone intentionally going for a stupid plot as opposed to trying to not go for a stupid plot but ends up with it regardless. The result is still the same. That's Goro. They made an intentional insane character that's suppose to not make much sense but it's like, it's still not appealing even if it was intentional.

>>384405087
The worst part is that i didnt even hate him since he was so poorly written to be hated.
Goddamn the writing/quality in the game is so disproportionate to the time in developement. Did they spend it all making it as stylish as possible but forget the game part?

>>384410557
What's even shittier is they don't affect the plot at all. You can be a complete dickhead to Ryuji and call him a dumbass every time and with enough time he'll still start jacking you off.

You can't reverse most links and can't drive people away or really interact with them. It's just another way to masturbate the player. You can't tell Ryuji he's a fucking idiot and actually make him stop screaming, or kick him off the team.

>>384405087
anyone else not like the big 180 the story took after shido's palace to fighting gods and shit?

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>>384410249
>>384410448
I wasn't opposed to the idea of being able to hang out with your group. I just wish that it wasn't the entirety of their character development.

P3's romance system was really awkwardly handled, but at least the female characters in your party still had their own stakes in the main story outside of their social links.

>>384410507
No, it really was all set up my Yaldy, that was the point

Even Sae points out that it couldn't have been coincidental that Shido was the same guy who made you a criminal

Was the scene where Ryuji is beaten senseless by the girls after Shido's palace supposed to be funny? That just seemed needlessly cruel and I didn't really find it funny at all.

>>384410856
Is this your first SMT game?

The entire last act of the game feels weak too. Everything about Yaldy is there just to give excuses to questionable parts to the story. Like "Why does this person do that" "Its part of Yaldy's game so it just happens :^)"

>>384410929
Yes!
Dumbass deserved every hit and more!

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>>384409608
>>384409738
>>384410134
Thing is that the P4/5 party members don't really develop as characters outside of SLinks. SLinks for party members should be bonuses to their character development or just spending more time with them and maybe hearing more backstory/seeing parts of that character you wouldn't get otherwise.

Take for example, Ryuji. He barely changes throughout the game, only somewhat changing at the end of game and even that is debatable. In his Confidant however, he shows actual emotions and coming to terms with the issues he's been dealing with the Track Team and then prioritizes his work as a Phantom Thief, working together with you and the rest of the team. He even becomes more calm as the SLink goes on and doesn't approach his problem like an arrogant idiot like he usually does, showing character development and depth. I'll be honest, I really liked Ryuji's Confidant since it made me like him more as a character and made him more of a bro than Junpei.

However he didn't keep that development. After his Confidant, he goes back to being a loudmouthed idiot, all of his development locked into his Confidant and nothing really mattered. I wish they let party members develop in the story or at least show that bonding with them matters outside of gameplay and romance, but honestly even the romance is pretty boring and only give you a couple of more lines with that character.

>>384410571
You wouldn't go out to buy a guillotine normally, but if you already have one you might as well use it.

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Part of the problem was none of them had as good a payoff as Kamoshida. The scene with him confessing at the assembly is great. But then:
>Madarame gets a 5-second news clip
>Kaneshiro is never even seen again
>No one to confess to anything for Futaba
>Okumura also gets a 5-second news clip
>Shido's confession is also brief and is completely ignored because muh grail
None of the other targets were as easy to hate, and none of their confessions had any fucking impact. Game blew its load with Kamoshida big-time.

>>384410929
It's an incredibly shitty scene. Even Yukari wouldn't have sunk that low.

>>384410571
The reason was "Igor is weak". Attendants can't normally fuse Personas, as Igor has always been the go-to Cathedral of Shadows stand in.

>>384410697
he did have a point in his claim they had no right to make that judgement. they are kids themselves and have no understanding of adult problems. Once he brought that up, the team had no counterarguments and had to resort to ad-hominem and name-calling in response.

The story clearly meant to show the investigation team in the right, but their immaturity in the confrontation gave Adachi the dialectic superiority during the showdown. In the end the kids defeat Adachi not because they had a better argument, but through the use of physical force. It vindicates Adachi's position and gives him far more stature than it would in a normal game of this type. This is one of the reasons Adachi is well-liked, because he actually feels like a real troubled adult in a sea of naive magical teenagers.

>>384410929
The real bullshit is at the very end of the scene, Morgana just stares at him and walks away

What a FUCKING FAGGOT, can't praise him once the entire game even after he shows his willing to sacrifice his life for theirs

>Kamoshida's arc
>Anne is pulled into his Palace when she's close to Ryuji and Joker when they activate the app
>they decide to be more careful next time and only do it when they know no one is around
>Kaneshiro's arc
>PTs use the app right in front of Hachiko, in the middle of a crowd
>no one is pulled in

>>384410945
actually yeah

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>>384410929
>seemingly dead character walks nonchalantly back on-screen
>mfw this happens a fucking SECOND TIME with Morgana
>Morgana's only reason for not immediately revealing himself was because it would have been anti-climactic
He should have stayed dead. That or he should have actually been gone and Igor only just finished putting him back together.

>>384410856
it was trash in both P5 and P4, but you can't say that because it's a "series staple". Getting shit served on a plate is good to these retards because it's a family tradition.

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>>384411216

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>>384411034
>No one to confess to anything for Futaba
I thought Futaba talking down her inner demons was a pretty solid moment.

>>384411273
The god shit is fine and has been part of the franchise for longer than most of the people in this thread have been alive.

Half assing it like P4 and P5 did is what's shitty.

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>>384410929
Not gonna lie, I think it would have resonated more if he genuinely died.

>>384410856
>>384410945
It was sudden as fuck in P4 too, but I felt P3 did it really well. Those few weeks where everyone is just sitting around anxiously waiting for the day Nyx comes, knowing they basically had a 0% chance of winning, really drove home the feeling of helplessness and fear of death.

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>>384408339
Seconded.

>>384411407
But he died :^)

>>384410528
Making Goro's speeches genuine would change what? That he would eventually go "oh, I was wrong" and just join the team for good eventually? You can't have someone actually built around being morally against the PT and have them as anything more than a one note character that will constantly get into their way and repeat themselves for the entire game. There's not an ounce of complexity to that, there is to having someone so obsessed with being desired that it completely overrides their moral center and forces them to make excuse after excuse to keep charging down what is an extremely self centered path built on a twisted upbringing.

>>384411452
Yeah in P3 you knew what was coming. 4 and 5 just throws shit out the window at the last minute.

>>384411452
This is why I didn't like it in P4 and P5. There was no build up. They both had the "villain was there all along!" moment but as soon as the reveal happened it was a bumrush to the end of the game. It was very, very rushed.

>>384410929
Yes it was awful. Especially since Ryuji no longer had any personal stakes in the plot. Either he or Ann should have died. It would have helped nail home how insanely high the stakes had gotten for the Thieves and supplied the earlier party members, none of whom had any involvement in the plot anymore like Yusuke and Ann/Ryuji, some reason and motivation to keep going and not abandon ship when they realized how intense the shit had gotten.

>>384411223
It's magic. Metaverse works in favor of lazy writers.

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>>384410116
Fucking atlus used the same line for Akechi

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>>384411012
I don't know if they'd ever go ahead with the idea, but I'd still like to see a Persona game that takes party social links into account in the main story.

Just a change-up of dialogue and interactions every once in a while to show where your relationships stand.

>>384411407
I was hoping they'd pull some bullshit like "it was Cognitive Ryuji this whole time and the original is dead", but since he has an SL you know he's going to survive.

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>>384411549
>They didn't notice the incredibly obvious pancake slip-up when it actually happened, even though they already knew there was another Metaverse user
>They didn't remember it even after all those times they saw, spoke to, or heard about Goro over the next several months
>Only just before it becomes necessary for them to know do Akira and Morgana suddenly fucking recall it

>>384411407
The entire scene felt like scraps from some dropped plot point
>Make a big deal early on about Kamoshida breaking his leg and how it fucked up his future/life
>Have random bits like him tripping in Kamoshida's palace that make it seem like he's struggling to even run properly like he used to
>Make a big deal here about him running his ass off to save everyone
It seems like they wanted to make it his big redemption moment and actually kill him off, but its okay because he's back at peak form and has his freedom back
Ryuji should have walked with a limp or something for most of the game

>>384411938
I thought someone else said pancakes since they all began talking about being hungry right after. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention.

>>384411938
Welcome to "asspull" the series.

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>>384411598
>You can't have someone actually built around being morally against the PT and have them as anything more than a one note character
Why not? The phantom thieves themselves admit that they strayed from their original path for the sake of being seen as heroes.

So it's not like someone opposing their methods would have to be a narrow-minded antagonist that exists to be proven wrong.

game suffered from the fact that there's too much unnecessary text and tutorial shit.

>>384411152
Anon they literally said to Adachi's face that he made no sense and he had no rebuttal.
The version of P4 you're talking about does not exist.

>>384411452
All SMT games just throw the random big bad god at the last minute. You should be used to it by now/expecting it.

>>384412095
First time with this series huh?

>>384411693
what pissed me off about Akechi is how unbelievable he is. My suspension of disbelief was shattered once we saw him shoot the MC directly in the head with a pistol.

I mean holy shit, this guy was once a semi-normal teenager. He's so sociopathic and bloodthirsty it'd be impossible to find anyone like this outside of a war-torn countries in subsaharan Africa. It's one thing to kill in the metaworld, since it's disconnected from reality and feels like a video game, but shooting somebody in the fucking head point-blank is something else entirely. He's not even a person anymore, but a cartoon character.

>>384412016
I don't think you know what an ass pull is.
Hint: an ass pull isn't a couple of other idiotic characters not noticing something obvious. Ann and Ryuji are not intelligent.

>>384410697
The only reason he spergs out is because the writers realize that the IT doesn't refute anything he says at all and by making him stay calm he's too likeable

I mean when you watch that scene him REEEing is basically out of character

>>384412110
it exists in his head
he just misunderstood the entire scene altogether, but it's normal for Adachi apologists

>>384406042
It was like the last thing they revealed about him before you change his heart.

>>384412149
MegaTen usually has gods weaved into the game. It's just P4 and P5 who use it as an asspull.

>>384410697
Adachi: "People with talent have an unfair advantage in life."
Investigation Team: "NUH UH"

>>384412151
So did you forget the part where he's had at least a whole year of experience killing people in the metaverse? You're not supporting your argument by missing important details and acting like it's not your fault, you know.
We see him shoot Okumura point blank dead as well.

>>384411938
>>They didn't notice the incredibly obvious pancake slip-up when it actually happened

They did.
Go play it again.

The most hateable villain after Kamoshida was the principal. I'm confident I am right about this.

>>384412358
The first time they bring it up together is Morgana talking to Joker after the culture festival, it isn't until then that it clicks

>>384410587
>Japanese games can't outright imply rape

Says who? I'd like to know.

>>384412290
Adachi was an elite detective before he was degraded to work in Inaba, due to his own failure
almost as if talent wasn't everything

>>384412358
>Oh shit, Goro knows about the Metaverse, and we have just learned that someone is using the Metaverse to literally fucking murder people
>Let's not acknowledge it at all and sit on this information for seven months, not bringing it up even when we are actively trying to identify the people involved in the killings
They didn't know. They remembered at the last minute.

>>384412151
I mean, to be fair he's already been going at the murders for a while if Futaba's mother is evidence. I wouldn't find him being desensitized to be too unbelievable.

>>384412358
No they didn't.
They only realized after meeting with Akechi at the fair and thinking about the story he made up about only being recently able to understand Morgana.

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>>384412467
Because of these fuckers. They're powerful. Even voice actresses can't get boyfriends or have sex because if it gets out, their lives are ruined and they'll forever be regarded as impure and disgusting NTR sluts.

>>384412162
>>384412290
While I do agree 100%, this is a JRPG about muh friendship and "work hard and you'll succeed in anything".

They're not gonna acknowledge that Adachi makes good points when it's against the theme they're trying to establish. It's just character assassination out of nowhere for the sake of contrivance.

>>384412254
Yeah, but they don't really mention it again afterwards or hear about it on the news.

>>384412438
Definitely, because his actions also made no sense

>I care about the school's reputation
>I better let this one teacher continue to abuse students and directly sabotage other school activities because volleyball>track
Reminder that Shiho wakes up from her coma

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What does your Palace's treasure look like, /v/?
Mine is a little blue game piece shaped like a dog

>>384412256
Do you remember Devil Summoner Raidou games? How that little demon comes out of the guy's mouth at the last moment going "yeah! it was me all along!", though, it was a sick plot twist.

>>384405515
Shido is pretty personal to you.

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>>384412438
>Wow sis, you're home early. Can I help you with anything?
>WELL MAKOTO WHY DON'T YOU JUMP OFF A BRIDGE AND STOP SUCKING MY LIFE AWAY YOU LEECH YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT BEING AN ADULT IS LIKE I WISH YOU WOULD JUST DISAPPEAR ALSO I'D LIKE TO CHANGE MY TOOTHBRUSH

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>>384412290
I don't think they were disagreeing with his point about life being unfair, they were disagreeing with him using that as justification for committing murder.

>>384412753
He's personal to the protagonist, not to the player. He's not in your face all the time like Kamoshida is.

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Reminder that Akihiko pleasures MCs and Chie for money.

>>384410798
This bothered me the more the game went on. He's clearly an idiot who thinks brute force and popularity are the only things he needs, and there's no way to tell him he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about and to shut the fuck up. Especially when the psuedo-drama between him and Morgana pops up.

>>384412093
>for the sake of being seen as heroes
And that is not the moral issue with stealing hearts, that is a problem with how they exercised that power and is not only something that an external influence would have absolutely no insight into but was something that only contributed to how easily they walked into Shido's trap.

The real moral issue with what they were doing isn't apparent until you get the view of society as a whole at the end of the game and it turns out that all they were doing was stealing freedom and leaving their victims with nothing but the wait until the world was ending. This is something shown by this dungeon, rather than regurgitated by a rival detective for 100 hours.

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ITT: Non-japanese people criticize japanese society, even though the game blatantly points out these problems as fucked up and people claim it's bad writing.

How the fuck can this many people not see the point?

Groupthink is powerful. 4chan's shitposting is proof of that.

>>384412761
>asks about sister's day
>proceeds to verbally attack sister for talking about her day
I'm convinced that she was channeling Gollum for that scene.

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don't mind me just posting the best vocal delivery in the game

>>384412290
>talent
Adachi blames some intangible gift that other people have for his own failings. Yeah, people who aren't retarded have an advantage of the handicapped, but that's not what he was bitching about. Yu started off as an awkward loser with no friends or money and busted his ass to get them all.

Adachi didn't try, never tried, and blamed other people for it.

>>384412969
I liked Makotos a little more, but Ryuuji gets shit on way too much on here

>>384412761
>sup sis
>YOUR PRINCIPAL DIED

>>384409073
>Guy who wants war must be a republican because bush XDDDD

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>>384406598
>Figure that people just joke about Akechi for liking pancakes like Adachi with cabbages
>Play game
>Pancakes are the cause of his downfall

>>384413119
>Adachi didn't try, never tried,
and as of P4G actively rejected anyone who tried to help him

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>>384412958
>I'm incapable of refuting anything posted here stop criticizing bad writing!
Why did you even bother posting?

>>384408798
>Whole game is basically Chaos vs. Law
>Surprised that the last boss in Megami Tensei game is a God

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>>384405087
>hype as fuck palace music with lyrics doesn't appear until the game is almost over

Literally why?

>>384413171
Imagine if you were Shido. Imagine if your government-level conspiracy to take over an entire country, for which you have murdered untold numbers of people and tapped into a supernatural power, suddenly fell apart at the last possible minute because one of your henchmen said the word "pancake" seven months ago.

>>384412686
anon this issue isn't even a Japanese one, you're just a complete shut-in. Go read up on corrupt sports coaches, hell just fucking look up Sandusky that's the only one you need.

>>384412761
>HOW DARE YOU FOR CONTINUING TO TALK ABOUT A TOPIC THAT YOU REALIZED WAS OUT OF PLACE AND ONLY CONTINUED DUE TO MY INSISTENCE
>YOU'RE WORTHLESS TRASH, KILL YOURSELF
>also I won't eat your meals any more

It's one of the million JRPGS that suffers from LONGER = BETTER delusions. Studios need to hire hardcore editing teams to take games like this and trim a solid 50 hours out. I'm like 80 hours and i just can bring myself ro finish. Haven't played vidya in weeks. After this no jrpgs for a while.

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>P3MC's ultimate persona is Jesus
>P5MC's ultimate persona is Satan
What did Atlus mean by this?

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>that scene at the end of the Shido dungeon when he starts crying and everyone else in the room starts collectively shitting their pants in horror

>>384413484
P5 is the chaosfag game (and therefore the best)
P3 is the lawfag game and it would be the worst on principle if P4 didn't exist.

>>384413292
>Implying that justifies it
Only nu-Persona game that did the "god" thing properly was 3.

>>384413485
I was disappointed they didn't snuff him after they worried about him bringing them all down.

>>384413401
Sandusky wasn't breaking the legs of star track athletes that also go to Penn State

>>384413575
>P3
>lawfag
How so? The theme of P3 is that life is worth living despite all the bullshit. What's lawfag about that?

>>384413609
do we actually know that?

>>384406217
>what did he mean by this?
They known their target audience to a fuck T.

>>384413484
>Satanael is Satan
Satanael is fanfiction Lucifer.

>>384405726
Nothing is worse than sexual assaulting an underage girl. At the end of the day Madrames students had ways out highschool kids with a abusive teacher don't, at least in this instance when all the adults know and don't care also this
>>384405930

>>384413484
Lucifer can be seen as an element of change. The entire game is about God telling you what's best for everyone and you saying no.

The ultimate defector is Lucifer. There is no greater tale of defection.

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>Okumura's treasure is a gameboard that he wanted as a child because he didn't want to be a poorfag
Dammit game I'm supposed to feel happy when I take down a villain not sad

>>384413735
>There is no greater tale of defection.
Metal Gear Solid 3

Lot of P3 nostalgia in this thread. Terrible taste.

>>384413735
Difference between Satanael and Lucifer is that the Demiurge isn't actually God and that's why he fucks off.

>>384413680
blue jesus asserts himself as everyone's messiah, forcibly preventing the will of humanity from doing what it wants and keeping it away from Nyx. That's pretty much the definition of lawfag. Meanwhile in P5 the will of humanity collapses in on itself because no one actually wanted to die and that's the only reason why perfume bottle is able to be beaten at all. 110% chaosfag.

>>384413810
This. Checkmate christfags.

>>384413575
This is false.
>P1-3 is Neutral.
>P4 is Law. You're working with the police for fucks same.
>P5 is Chaos.

>>384406042
you raise a very good point

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>>384413151
What's even better is the topic of the principle was after she mentions she brought her souvenirs from Hawaii.

>I brought you presents
>Your principle is dead

>>384413892
But both of them are preventing the will of humanity from doing what it wants, what does it matter whether "what they want" is death or subjugation?

>>384413968
4 seems pretty Chaos to me
>Big bad wants everyone to sink into bliss where they dont have to worry about things like truth
>Team wants to decide shit for themselves

Haru was the worst arc.Gets shoehorned in with Morgana's tantrum and then her dad gets melted on national television and she handles it pretty well and the party barely consul her on it. She even believes the phantom thieves were totally not responsible without much convincing needed. They should they cut that horrendous hawaii trip and used it to build up Haru more.

>>384406042
That felt so thrown in. It was like they said "He's not evil enough" and just added that to tempt Yusuke with killing him like Ann was with Kamoshida.

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how does she do it?

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>>384413606
Yeah, I was pretty sure they were going to bury him right there.

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Did anyone else think Haru was gonna be the killer? I mean she has the whole

>black mask
>has powers before she met the party
>just so happens to stumble into Morgana at her most vulnerable
>has a ditzy and innocent personality hides a darker interior

but no, instead the black mask thing which was present since early on in the game was a completely worthless red herring which the player is better off ignoring.

>black mask? Oh yeah, I have a super-secret alternate form which you've never seen before which is all black and edgy just like me :^)

What a damn copout.

>>384413968
>P4 is Law.
P4 is literally "fuck you, humans are strong enough to face reality" ,that's neutral

Haru should have joined the team during Futaba's arc. That would make it a little less weird how willing she is to believe that her dad's death wasn't their fault (accidental or otherwise) and that they had nothing to do with the principal's death.

>>384414040
PT decides to get back up and fight because they're doing what they believe is right, but that line of thinking didn't actually help them win, they were going to die until everyone down below didn't want their god anymore and sent Satanael to kill him.

>>384414158
By having a the most tolerable personality out all the girls in your team

>>384413341
Not even your henchmen, your own close, very trusted, personal hitman who happens to be your bastard son

>>384413968
>P4 is Law
on what fucking planet
the human antagonist was a member of law enforcement, you were taken in for questioning by a policeman, and don't even pretend Naoto was a police rep because her whole shitty role in P4 is that she was everything but.

>>384413968
3,4, and 5 are all chaosfags

Each time they reject what humans collectively desire, which are lawfag ends

>>384413601
t.P3fags

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>>384407313
>bad end for fem Kamoshida is her making the PC her personal plaything alongside Mishima

>>384414293
Plus that game's whole theme was that it's better to know the truth than a comforting lie. Surely that's more of a chaosfag idea than a lawfag one.

P5 has a Chaos coat of paint but in the end none of the games fit the alignments because they're not supposed to.

>>384405087
Maybe it's a point of view thing? Maybe in Japan the other targets where horrible people. Put to the west they're just "Meh".

>>384412969
yeah no doubt, this was the best line in the dub

>>384414385
>chaosfags
>not lying

>>384410116
HURRY UP AND GET LOST

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>one of the bad ends is Makoto getting gangraped

Look at these fucking platinum fags that still don't get that Shido was literally Char complete with his spacenoid newtype superiority complex and everything.

Platinum fans are the jojobronies of videogames.

>>384414332
t. Dumbo

Nyx was the only one not pulled out of nowhere.

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>>384414151
I'm kind of indifferent to Haru, but I was a little disappointed after convincing myself at first that all of her casual appearances in the background were leading up to her spying on the thieves on her own time and using the powers for personal gains with the soft-spoken demeanor just being a facade.

>>384414548
It was just the protagonist's drug-induced hallucination.

>>384414184
>>384414385
Law cares about truth while Chaos is fine with relativism. But that comes from my experience from other games than SMT.

>>384414374
I see nothing bad about this ending

>>384413717
>Nothing is worse than sexual assaulting an underage girl.
Death. Imprisonment. Denial of sense. Waterboarding. There's plenty worse.

>>384414601
>that framerate
why tho

>>384414674
yeah I would confidently call P4 Neutral

>>384414559
Actually Shido was literally Shintaro Ishihara, a politician in Japan that blamed gays and millenials for the earthquake that crippled the country and got re-elected after he said all that anyway following a cheap apology. No one giving a shit after Shido confessed to everything, plus his whole "chosen by god" deal is 1:1 a rip on that man.

>>384414741
>.gif
You tell me.

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WOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU CAN'T DATE EVERYONE

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Post characters with wasted potential

I love the game, but I really do think that it suffers from being just so long. I could read a book or two in the time it took me to beat Persona 5-- yet the game can barely string together an interesting story (not bad.) It's a shame, because I think there's some potentially interesting themes here, but they either so diluted or space out badly, that they never really come to fruition
How would people feel of a game that's like half the length, but WAY more focused/content dense, and you can't max out like 90% of social links, forcing you to pick and choose. I personally would prefer this, and think it would benefit the game. Instead of the end-game basically become a checklist of things to max out, you'd actually have to choose favourites, and would have more replay value. (NG+ atm feels more like 'why bother?')
Anyway, hopes for P6/whatever next game is? I'm hoping for more seamless world, P5 felt a bit too clunky/instanced, e.g. remove loading zone from central square and main street. I'm guessing this was 'cause of it being a PS3 game, shame, because it REALLY does feel like it at some points.

>>384414903
It takes you 60 hours to read a book?

>>384414903
all the themes of P5 come to fruition, they sacrificed group events and pretty much all other traces of P4's style of storytelling for that exact purpose.

>>384414875
I love Haru's line/delivery in this.

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>hurrr adachi is the best villain in all of purseowners
>how can P5 even compete
Sure maybe Adachi is a better villain then all of the P5 villains but that's because Adachi is the only villain in the story besides from Izanami. So he better damn well be properly written. In P5 we at least get an interesting arc of the bosses before the players have to engage them. In P3 it's just you fighting a bunch of nameless shadows each month and in P4 it's just who fighting your future teamates shadow who we hardly ever see. At least in P5 we interact with these assholes and have a reason to hate them before fighting them out of the blue.

>>384414158
Its a shame that p4D models won't be used for anything else. They're really good

>>384405087
What is with this game and the random highlighting of letters? Is it purely stylistic? Because it triggers my autism.

>>384414860
great more fucking Japanese shit that the rest of the world is not going to know anything about
why the fuck did they even release this game over here

Why did all the dungeons aside from the first one suck so much? Multiple floors, different environments to look at while in it (dungeons, castle interior, the ramparts, twisted tower), and lots of interaction with the target so he gets developed and nice and hateable.

The second one had the best thieving aesthetic with a museum heist, but you don't do anything really cool until the very end and it's pretty short and samey throughout.

The other ones just kind of blend together in a giant jumble of bland, Haru's dad's is especially bad, and Futaba's is a huge wasted potential. I thought it was going to have multiple areas around the pyramid, lots of little towns outside you'd visit as it was an interested concept for a dungeon, but you only do it once and then spend the rest of the time navigating really easy pyramid puzzles. I did like the premise for "I'm fucked up, please fix me by doing your PT routine," though.

>>384414171
It would have been nice. Going for the really obvious guy was really annoying. It would have been great to see if the potential waifu turned out to be the bad guy after you romanced her and whatnot. She already suffered from Being Introduced Late syndrome, making her a bad guy would have helped her character have staying power. I also think she got over the whole bit where it's unclear whether or not the PTs murdered her dad or not. She's all concerned about whether or not her dad's shadow should be left behind in an exploding base that presents a very real danger to the rest of the team, and the PTs just wave her off and say he'll be fine, and then he's not fine. Seemed suspicious to me.

They all felt poorly thought out because they all needed a last minute twist to justify the group targeting them.

The PT were ready to fuck up Madarame's life when all they knew was that he took credit for his students work. For fucks sake Okumura was basically just working there kinda sucks time to forcefully brainwash him.

>>384414883
>Everything is going according to plan
>....Yes of course I am removing tension and mystery though repetitious dialogue
>of course I'll continue to be completely unnecessary, I don't even have a name

>"Here's hoping with both see each other alive again."

>>384414425
>literally march past an army of angels
>summon not-satan and blow a hole through not-god's face
The real problem with it is the ending has no payoff, no ramifications for anything you accomplished.
It just ends.
Why did the writers convince themselves that Joker HAD to go home?
Him staying with Sojiro and graduating high school, hanging out with his waifu and the rest of the PT, that would have had SOME fucking payoff, but it just limply collapses under its goddamned weight with Joker and the gang taking him home.
Although the scene was charming, it's not going to end well.
We went through this with P4 already dammit.

>>384414860
Anon, you're not this casual are you? Shido's boss battle literally has him wearing Char's outfit, riding a golden lion made of 100 faces that gains a flight mode then turns into a mega bazooka launcher, had ZAKU/GELGOOG/ZEONG names as sound effects for each phase transformation, special gimmick is getting 3 turns more than the player, has a special kick attack, had a newtype flash sound effect, had dialogue ripped straight from the Dakar and Sweetwater speeches, and drops rocks.

The nigga is straight up Char to the point he's voiced by Char.

>>384415114
I knew about it. You don't take a vague interest in other countries?

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>>384414860
>Persona 5 turned out the way it did because of an earthquake, that then led to a politician insulting gays and millennials and making a shit ass apology, making Atlus devs want to make social commentary about that, instead of Persona 5 World Tour originally.

>>384414883
I think it's great that he was killed off as if he were nothing. That just goes to show how much a piece of shit Shido that doesn't trust anyone and would even kill someone as important as SIU guy.

>>384414883
Sae Nijima wastes so much of your time with the flash-forwards and never actually does anything but push a button on a phone.

>>384415096
If you take all of the highlighted letters in all of the game's text, and then apply a transposition cipher to it, it turns out to be a message thanking for playing the game and giving you the coordinates to a buried chest containing billions of dollars in lost pirate treasure.

>>384415192
I know about the Gundamn influences, they were all extremely obvious. I am telling you who the guy is actually supposed to be. Because that's the part that matters more.

>>384415237
I wouldn't have P5 any other way. Backpacking sounded boring as shit and essentially like FFXV, even the initial sketches of them driving a car around weren't that interesting.

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In this game's universe, are there other Persona users running around killing gods in Europe/America/etc? Or is all god-fuckery localized to Japan?

>>384415368
Let's go Captain Kid!

>>384415478
Let's not consider the implications of that.

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So what would have happened if Akechi didn't just happen to walk by Sae before she left the building? The plan they used to ruse Akechi was perfect but there was no way of knowing if Sae or Akechi were even going to cross paths.

>>384415478
we don't know and it will never be explored

>>384415176
The end does feel like a cop-out. There's nothing stopping Joker from continuing to work and geting his own place with Kawakami as his personal maid. if they really want to try and say Sojiro wouldn't be okay with him staying.
They only force the break-up to end the game in some awful attempt at a conclusion. It's unsatisfactory and not fulfilling, compelling, or logical.

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>>384414860
>Amerifags are convinced that Shido is a parody of Trump
>they are so caught up in their own world they don't realize that there's a world outside of the US

>>384412951
Yeah, my point was that they acknowledged they were flawed. So the whole concept of what they were doing and why they were doing it could have been up for debate if they pursued it with people genuinely questioning what right they had to change people's hearts and minds.

>>384415608
They did because there's only one way to actually get to where Joker was being held. Once Joker convinced Sae to show him the phone the rest was a matter of her waiting.

>>384415478
How about we consider the reality in which the Phantom Thieves lose to Yaldy, who eventually gets his ass beat by some kid with demon friends and dante from the devil may cry series

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>>384415478
>Persona set in America
>Persona users can't kill god unless they want to be murdered by a mob of southerners

>>384415649
I choose to believe that when he gets home he tells everyone to wait there a second, walks inside, tells his parents to suck it, walks back out, and tells Makoto to turn the van around.

>>384415473
Literally wears a principality helmet.

Also Shido's schtick is the exact opposite of Ishihara.

Shido blamed the old system for everything. They used part of Char's Dakar speech in Zeta as a framing and swapped out the oldtype and newtype issue for the silent youth versus the old guard.

Ishihara blamed the youth for everything.

>>384413805
Its a model spaceship, like the spaceship he built in his palace at the end

>>384414723
He's talking about in terms of crimes, though then you could say murder. I don't recall if any of the other villains straight out murdered anyone beyond spoilerman.

>>384414171
Haru just has too many red flags, I'll add two more for you:

1. Her Persona ranted about betrayal and asked her who she's going to betray next in her awakening scene.

2. Her Mementos quips are chock full of implications of psychotic behavior, such as getting horny whenever she sees Shadows begging for their lives.

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how do i catch an ace defective?

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>>384415768
>tfw have a plot all worked out for a Persona game set in America
If only I could into art or music. I would just need to come up with another name for personas.

>>384415798
>I don't recall if any of the other villains straight out murdered anyone beyond spoilerman.

Okumura ordered out hits if that counts and Kaneshiro is implied to be willing to kill anyone if they fail him basically and against his victims if needed.

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>>384415768
>Persona set in America
>have to clear the palace of the bullied kid dungeon in 14 days before he shoots up the school
Fund it

>>384415925
By killing his Chidorita!
Oh, wait...

>>384415957
Why? You think ATLUS came up with Satan, Pixie and Mokoi by themselves?

>>384415957
You could always /tg/ it. They have a homebrew for it now.

That's what I'm doing.

>>384414171
I'd love her even more. Female villains best girls.
>>384416053
I would actually pay money for that.

>>384414723
I disagree with all of those. I'd rather waterboard my child then rape them. Murder is not as bad either.