Who built the Temple of Trials and what was its purpose?

>>384401780
>Who built the temple of Trials
The tribals
>What was its purpose
To test the chosen one.

>>384401780
>Who built the Temple of Trials
Game devs.
>what was its purpose?
Mongs in suits demanded there be a tutorial dungeon.

>>384401780
It was either a museum or some kind of pre-war attraction the tribals retrofitted into what it is now according to Avellone.

>>384402152
Boy i can tell you must really love videogames, eh?

>>384401961
The tribals built an enormous stone fortress but they live in mudhuts a mile away, which lead to them getting murdered halfway through the game

k

>>384401780
>Who
devs
>Why
to keep casuals out

>>384401780
according to the fallout bible it was a big Tiki style water resort before the war and the tribals rework a lot of it.

>>384401780
executives who are not part of the tribe built it, it's purpose was the waste your time.

>>384401780
Didn't the manual state they stumble on it and just took over the place?

>>384402408
I don't like having to eat shit to play my games.

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>>384401780

>>384401780
Building the temple was the trial

>>384402330
Are there any significant historical sites near Arroyo?

>>384401780
I want to play Fallout 1 , what's the best way to get it?

>>384403254
kill yourself.

>>384401780
>there were tribals in Fallout
>other than Honest Hearts we never see tribals ever again

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>>384402529

>>384403254
GOG or torrent

>>384403358
I don't think thats how I should start you little shit

>>384403359
Good.

>>384403179
Not that I know of. That explanation was literally just him retroactively trying to make a tutorial section they didn't even want to put in the game in the first place make a shred of sense. Interplay made them do it.

It's a zoo/museum/theme park, I'm sure.

>>384402439
>video games
>ever making sense

name me 5 games that have 0 bullshit like this one.
>no racing/fighting/sim/dressup/novel/arcade

>>384402529
How did that work out?
They sold a billion dollar franchise for 20 mil.
They were as bad at business deals as they were at making games.

Whatever happened to them?

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>>384401780
>yfw Todd was part of Fallout all along

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>>384402408
That is literally what happened, though.
It's redundant to justify a last minute whim of higher-ups with lore.

>>384401780
>Who built the Temple of Trials and what was its purpose?

If you want me to justify the existence of the Temple Of Trials, I will. But it requires two bits of info.

1. It was forced into the game and wasn't originally planned.

2. Any explanation makes the villagers out to be retards.

Now, an excuse is that it's an attempt to make a vault. That the villagers of Arroyo were so warped and retarded that they poured everything into making their own vault, depleting every resource in grand Easter Island fashion.

>>384406123
>Now, an excuse is that it's an attempt to make a vault.
Sounds like bullshit to me. Let's see your source.

>>384401780
>it takes two people to move the totem
You can easily tell how many fucks were given by the poor souls who had to design that segment.

>>384401780
It serves no purpose. It was built form recycled assets from another Black Isles game and tacked on last second. It was a stupid last minute idea from a new defunct developer RIP

>>384402439
>mile away
literally one screen away
>>which lead to them getting murdered
>implying some stone age lvl traps can stop enclave soldiers in power armor
any damage those traps deal would be negated by the armor's damage reduction rate

>>384406258
There is no source. I'm giving you an excuse that makes a modicum of sense given what it is and what the culture of the Arroyans is. The fucking thing was a tutorial dungeon added against initial plans with no real in-game reason to exist.

>tutorial section
>learn nothing while playing it
What was the point? Couldn't they just force you to go and save the dog before you leave, it's basically the same gameplay wise.

>>384406689
It doesn't make any sense, though. It sounds entirely like something you just made up seconds before posting.

>>384406912
I did. Hence the preface. There is no explanation. There are no good explanations. That thing I said is probably one of the better excuses that you can come up with for it.

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>>384406694
>you learn to fight or escape from combat
>you learn about status ailments and curing them
>you learn to use lockpick
>you learn to drop items
>you learn about traps
>you learn that there are multiple solutions to problems and the last trial is designed with 3 possible ways of solving it that conveniently fit each of the preset characters
The only thing it's missing was a door with a slot machine lock to test gambling skills.

>>384407423
>>you learn to fight or escape from combat

Nah, you learn that you have to pump the shit out of your melee stat on your character just to complete the fucking trials because those ants fuck you up. And if you justs kip the ants the guy at the end will kick your ass if you have low melee.

>>384407286
There are plenty good explanations. Here's one that isn't absolutely retarded:

The tribals found it and repurposed it. You know, like fucking everyone else in the wasteland does.

>>384407561
Then talk your way out of the fight or steal the key, dummy.

>>384407423
You learn those things during normal gameplay, the tutorial section has no tutoring in it. The area where you rescue the dog only needed a small amount of tweaking to cover everything.

>>384403359
Raiders seem to be tribal
>They form groups
> scavenge , rape, kill
>Fuck eachother
> have their own form of goverment Based on who is the more badass

>>384401780
>GOTY 1997
>better give it a shot then
>you're punching rats and ants

tried it again a year later and damn that temple is misrepresentative for the game.

>>384407885
There are right and wrong ways to make an intro level for a role playing game. The wrong way is Temple of Trials from Fallout 2. The right way is Liberty Island from Deus Ex. The former requires the use of specific tactics to even complete at all. The latter allows multiple approaches based on character creation and attribute/skill allocation.

>>384408579
You can run from every encounter in the temple and never fight anything or kill everything in your path. Your post is mathematically wrong.

>>384408075
Doubt you would be using lock picking and blowing shit with C4 while rescuing a dog.
Not like any of this is relevant, the damage is done and the twats who ordered that shitty tutorial were satisfied with it.
Still find it a little funny how you're fixated on that dog quest.

>>384408579
There are multiple ways to complete the ToT though.

>>384408738
>You come across a locked door
>There's some C4 in this crate here
>Also a lockpick over here
>I suppose you could bash it with this crowbar as well...

>>384405696
>name me 5 VIDEO games
>can't use video games though

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>>384408875
>a locked door
>in a forest
You're starting to lose me there, mate.

>>384409215
>What is a shed

>>384408678
>>384408804
I'd appreciate a tutorial on how to complete ToT using full combat with Small Guns. Oh wait

>>384409313

To be fair, Fallout 2 in general was designed for you to use melee/unarmed until you could actually get enough ammo to use guns reliably.

>>384409304
Wasn't your point that the dog quest was perfect tutorial as it is?

>>384409313
There's enough healing powder and shit that even if you choose the worst possible build ever you can still complete it. I've done the ToT a dozen times with builds completely built around late game weapons. It's not even hard, just a little slower than other methods.

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What she really a ghost?

>>384409313
>Get a tutorial on how to do combat with melee tools
>Can't use lateral thinking to think this may apply to guns
>Doesn't want to use common sense to think guns may have a range

Can't fix stupid.

>>384409549
No, I'm not >>384408075
Furthermore, he said
>The area where you rescue the dog only needed a small amount of tweaking to cover everything.
>small amount of tweaking
>tweaking
>small amount
>tweaking
>amount
>small
>tweaking

>>384409726
I don't think so. Do ghosts have bones? Because she turns into a pile of bones after you return the locket.

>>384409847
Maybe she was a skeleton ghost.

>>384403359
Legion is tribals. BoS is tribals. Boomers are tribals. Strip Families are tribals. Khans are tribals. NV is lousy with tribals.

>>384401780
>Who Built
Sir Gallahad the Brave
>What purpose
To seek the Holy Grail

lol :)

The real question is,

Is Fallout 2 any good outside of Enclave areas?

>>384410045
And his favorite colour was brown.

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>>384409945
You mean a skost?

>>384410198
New Reno is great.
San Fran is great.
Vault City/Gecko is OK, if tedious
NCR/Vault 15 has one good quest

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>>384410198
I like Modoc because I always install that one Miria mod.

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>>384401780
It's very clearly some pre-war armory.

Art-deco inspired, has unneeded and non-functional turrets, made of stone. It's just like any other armory in the United States, but built into a mountain.

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>>384403359
>le tribals are only people cosplaying as native americans maymay

>>384409847
ghost could have bones

>Interplay forced them to add it
Did Interplay also force them to make it a huge stone fortress completely at odds with everything else in the game?

>>384411629
It was probably a scrapped level from another point in development. They had very little time to cobble together the tutorial dungeon, and they're famous for reusing assets so who knows.

who the fuck put those ants in there anyway

Pretty sure the publishers built it

>>384411914
god did it

>>384411914
You've never had ants in your house? No one "puts" them there.

>>384412035
not those ants I haven't

>>384411837
They could have made it a cave

>>384402330
>according to Avellone.
He needs to stop.

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>384412995
wow can you imagine how many special snowflakes this would trigger if they ever actually bought or played videogames

really makes you wonder

>get into a fight
>miss
Quality game you got there /v/

>>384414198
git gud

Why do so many say 2 was better than 1? I felt 1 was the better game. 2 just had a lot of filler content with a worst story.

>>384414360
There is no gud to git from shitty games

>>384414505
2 was more fun.

>>384414739
Gameplay in both games was pretty awful actually. Only thing 2 has is more stuff over the first game. Its story isn't as good though. The Master is a great final boss.

>>384415127
Sure, but 2 is more fun.

>>384409945
Shut your not-face Brainghost Ferrus! You are not friend!

>>384415127
Real talk: Most people didn't get to the ends of either game when they first came out. Plenty of people remembered the games from their childhoods and went back to finish them years later however.

Not that that necessarily negates your point. Just thought it worth pointing out.