Who is your favorite villain in video games?

Michael Jordon

>>384378525
the organization xiii members that aren't/weren't 'Norted

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>>384378525
This guy

Someone explain the Elder God tier boss' thing to me

>What's the best type of villain?
>A hero with perfect motives!

This is a dumb opinion, I have no idea why it gets memed all over the place.

>>384379065
Builder, fuel us

>>384379603
This

>>384378525
Simon Keyes

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>>384378525
pleb opinion coming through

>>384378525
>irenicus
what misdeeds did he have done against him

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>>384378661

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No competition

>>384378525
vaas montenegro

>>384379874
something something elf outcast, something something seeking godhood

>>384379065
What hast thou... posted, Anon? When the time comes to review thy board, with the Master Builder afore thee, and the question is asked: what hast thou posted, what will thee say, poor Anon? For thou art a man of... destruction, not construction. Tis the biggest sin of all. Post thyself today a good thread, that would please Him much!

>>384378525
If the villain's goals are better than the hero's, why are we playing as the hero? Sounds bad to be honest familia

>>384379603
>>384379705
>who is the best villain?
>the one who shits all over, and undermines the whole point of the hero in favor of worshiping the villain

>>384378525
This list is retarded. A villain isn't a villain if their motives are justified by the reader's perspective. They're just an antagonist.

There are tons of stories out there where neither side in a conflict is inherently evil.

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>>384379892
Damnit, this was all just a gatdman booby trap! Jordan, you motherfucking baka, you sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA! What the fuck did you to do Hoopz? What the fuck did you do to my son?!

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Griffith is just lusting for power too though.

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>>384378525
Antagonist does not mean villain. If a villain's actions are agreeable to you then you are probably a sociopath.

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>>384378525

>>384378525
Why is Elder God tier so vague? All it's saying is "Villains who have good motives" with more words.

So any game where you play as the antagonist has an Elder God Tier villain?

>>384378525
Shouldn't the Archdemon be a mid tier villain considering he's essentially just following his nature?

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>did literally nothing wrong

>>384378525
Lord Recluse

The best villains are the ones you absolutley hate. They have to be the ones you want to see fail.

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kefka ff6

Griffith falls into shit tier
He doomed the entire world with monsters because of his lust for power

>>384378525
So why is Griffith not in the Shit Tier category? His only motivation to do bad shit was to not be a crippled cuck anymore, hence lust for power.

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>>384378525

>>384379432
ozymandias

>>384379432
Griffith(bezerk) strived for a better future for his comrades, but suffered mental damage(being raped and repressing it for example) and so basically sacrificed one thing he loved to obtain the other
Dont spoil yourself, read bezerk

>>384382659
Also this guy
>>384382606

>>384378525
>Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's
>Griffith
There's a shitons of fucking flaws in his plan, like raping the king's daughter as a stress relief or selling his soul and free will to be a puppet of the god hand

>>384382605
Jenova was the villain of FF7, not this brainwashed boipucci

>>384380104
>>384380190
>>384381528
The "arguable" part is pretty important, Ive always thought Ozy was a better example than Griffith. Either way they both still commit atrocities but it's hard to definitively say that they're evil people.

>>384382659
Except his motives are completely selfish. Sure he might do good things, but they do not outweigh all the evil he has committed. Including, rape, mass murder, genocide of magic users, and generally ruining the world by merging planes which murdered a large section of the world. This all because he wants to rule over people and for them to like him.

>>384382815
Isn't this supposed to only post the most despicable villains and not have any people who genuinely did nothing wrong?

>>384382436
And establish his own country and change the world under his leadership. That was his original drive, and he pursued it relentlessly until he got fucked up and thought his dream had died. Then when he learned there was still a path forward he took it.

>>384382850
>hard to definitively say they're evil people
>rape multiple people
>including your best friend's oneitis
>just to be an asshole
>consorting with literal demons and monsters
>but he's not evil guys I swear
Griffith is a shit tier villain senpai. Never understood why people perpetuate the meme of "literally nothing wrong"

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>>384378525
Pretty much all versions of this guy

Shouldn't Ganondorf be in high tier? Hyrule told him to take his sand monkeys and stay the fuck away

>>384383005
So, lust for power. Shit-tier.

>>384382815
Kenny isnt even a villain. Everything he does is completely understandable. He may be an idiot or incompetent, but everything he does is easy to understand.

>>384378525
What's the difference between mid and shit tier?

>>384379603
The whole point is that all that's making them a villain is the perspective you are given throughout the story, when the roles of the hero and the villain could be turned around

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Even though they kicked him out of the villains club for being too popular with the Japs, Wario was always number one.

>>384383065
like I said, he's committed atrocities. And the Eclipse is a large part of why Ozy is a better example; people claiming that Griffith's rape and murder rampage was justified are just memeing, but one could argue that it's still following his relentlessly pragmatic character.

>>384383248
The person who made the list is a retard who listed obviously bad examples for both of them, but the difference is that shit-tier villains have the capacity to do evil for less than hedonistic reasons but CHOOSE not to, while mid-tier villains are almost literally just hungry animals and, thus, have a justification for acting the way they do.

>>384378525
>Shitty writing is Elder God tied
lol

>>384383248
Mid tier cannot avoid doing what they are doing. It adds an ethical dilemma because if they did not do what they did they would die or suffer. Shit tier are doing what they are doing just because they can.

As a fan of berserk, how is Griffith not just lusting for power? Thats literally his whole goal as a villain. How can you call others like that shit and then turn around and praise berserk for the exact thing?

>>384383173
More like high tier really.

>>384379840
nah man Jack is fucking great don't let the fags on /v/ who hate videogames make you think that you have some shitty opinion

>>384382939
He did nothing wrong.

>>384383432
I would give him more of a high tier in the golden age and a shit tier after. It is mostly because of his loss of character in modern Berserk.

>>384383432
Because it's not just the power he wants, it's the world he wants to create

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>>384378525
>m-muh kingdom
>elder god tier

>>384383603
The world he created killed a lot of the population with plague, monsters, and his own orders.

>>384378525
That list is only true if you know literally nothing about writing villains. Tue hesr villains are the ones who are truly evil, know they're evil, and still do the things they do, because fuck you they're evil. Yes they might be doing something evil for a nobler reason, but they don't try and cover up the fact that it's evil or persuade the hero to switch sides by saying "B-but I'm the one doing right!". Self righteous villains are nothing more than immature pricks who think everything should go their way.
And to answer your question, Gilgamesh.

A lot of people seem to be mixing up the elder god tier villain with a simple heroic antagonist. They still need to be evil.

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does he even count as a villain?

>>384383706
And his pragmatism leads him to believe that those are sacrifices that must be made to make his dream a reality.

>>384383521
With the arrangement of Revolution, he was an especially exciting final boss. Eternal Sonata was great fun.

Wheres Kefka? Or is this a bait thread?

>>384383907
He artificially created a situation in which he would be the sole savior. Its like if I sold the only medical supplies in a 100 mile radius and i hired people to jump random people so I would get business.

>>384382962
this, he is a whiny bitch, the thing is, the way he is represented as a whiny bitch is what make him memmorable

>>384384028
Yeah, I'm not saying he isn't an evil guy, but he believes that he is the hero and that he is the savior the world needs.

>>384378525
but lust for power villains are hype.

>>384384192
I agree. I do not think he is shit tier, but he is not God tier. I would say High tier.

>>384384026
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>>384379432
Griffith is a total dickhead so people pretend he did nothing wrong as a joke.

>>384378661
fpbp

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>>384379892
I hope Cu Chulainn makes for a good villain in Barkley 2.

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>>384383357
>nobody remembers Wario Blast

>muh dreams
>good motive
Go get fucked in the ass by a old man

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The throne brings you here?

It seats only one.

kefka. i loved ff vi so much

>>384379840
Jack is a great villain.

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>it's a "the world is shit so I'm going to do everyone a favor and destroy it" villain

What tier is Gwyn?

>>384378525
Shit tier villains apparenly are the best

>>384384973
>>384383495

It's too bad a kindergarten script and cringe worthy memes shat on his entire character development

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>>384378525

>>384385198
Great tier i suppose

>>384385198
Probably Great/Situational, since he both tried to save the world and managed to fuck everything up

>>384378525
who is the first one?

>>384385091
What games have this?

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>>384385381
>Griffith
>boring

>>384385629
FFX comes to mind

>>384385629
Radiant Historia
SMT IV, it was done well here though
Persona 3

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Make way, best villain coming through.

>>384385629
Undertale. I believe Flowey/Asriel's entire motives were this.

Chara was different in that he wanted to destroy the world just because he enjoyed destroying and becoming more powerful.

>>384385629
Warcraft, actually.

>>384385685
He's supposed to be mad and cool, but he's just nonsensical and boring. Literally every other villain was multiple tiers higher in the manga. It's him acting edgy and handsome that gets the kids wet, just like Sephiroth back in the day.

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>>384386017
You've never actually read Berserk, have you?

>>384385745
>>384385783
>>384385891
I asked because I'm writing a villain who has this as his motivation and I want to put an interesting spin on it, but if it's been done to death then I guess I'll drop it.

>>384386017
He's not supposed to be mad and cool at all, he's supposed to be charismatic, but you're supposed to absolutely despise him, and the story does a good job of making you hate him while also making his actions feel believable and not like he's being evil just for the sake of being evil. He never does anything to make him seem mad at all, at his most deranged he just starts freaking out and tries to kill himself.

>Villain's actions were caused out of good intentions but went horribly wrong
>Everybody scorns them blindly
>Every action they make hereafter is them trying to make things right, but it just so happens to interfere with the protagonists agenda

>>384380287
Came to say this

>>384379603
It's just teenagers who read Watchmen and Berserk for the first time

>>384378525
I'm honestly not sure who my favorite is, though I don't agree with that chart at all because it judges characters by their motivation. I don't care what a villain wants, I'm more interested in how they act trying to get what they want.

>>384386235
Well you can put an interesting spin on it, and as I said I thought it was done well in SMT IV despite the fact that I had seen it many times already at that point. So long as they actually have that interesting spin on it, it should be fine. Also, if the villain is interesting for more than just their motives, which they should be, then it wouldn't be that big a deal anyway if their motive was a bit underwhelming.

>>384384815
I don't understand the boner you guys have for Ardyn. He barely did anything.

>>384378661

You sick motherfucking goddamn BAKA!

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>>384378525

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Eric Sparrow and Kamoshida.

>>384379951
>a typical everyday thug is a great villain
wut r u casul?

>>384379432
The short version is that Griffith wants to found his own kingdom and become a ruler renowned throughout all the land. Starts out innocent enough, but after a bunch of terrible shit happens he goes a LITTLE bit insane and starts doing extremely horrible things, lots of people die because of him.

I'd give context, but that spoils the fun.

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>>384378525
>Griffith defenders

>>384381748
Wasn't a villain though, just an asshole WHO KEPT SLOWING EVERYONE DOWN.

>>384386235
Pretty sure it's a common trope, but I can't remember it. If your feel you can make it interesting, go for it.

>>384379840
Jack is one of the handful of things in Borderlands that's actually pretty good, though. Nothing pleb about liking a diamond in the rough, anon. He's fine.

>>384379840
Pretty sure he's almost unanimously liked everywhere.

>>384383325
Where does Yaldabaoth fit in?

>>384386329
Name one game

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>>384378525
I would argue that Saturos and Menardi legitimately fall under the Elder God tier as far as villains go. That being said they have shit tier communication skills and are kind of dicks because they work under the preconception that no one would be able to be persuaded through reason.

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Ever just been so angry that you decided to wander around with the face of your previous captor stretched on top of your own?
Well this guy had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kC9WFvU9-4

>>384383432
I feel I should point out that I saw another version of this chart that was otherwise exactly the same, except the Elder God was Valentine from Jojo. Perhaps the Valentine one is the original, and this one was made because of the "Griffith did nothing wrong" meme.

Or maybe this was the original, I don't know.

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>>384387164
Wherever Nyx, Erebus and Izanami fit in.

>>384387164
Depending on your tastes it's god tier or mid tier

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>>384378525
whatever suits the story best. I've come to this conclution after years of this type of trolling on /tg/

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>>384378525
The HECU.

>>384386578
I'm going for a pessimistic antinatalist angle, but I keep feeling like I'm ripping of Kerghan from Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.

>>384384192
Honestly, that's why I like the idea of Griffith as a villain. Somebody who's clearly an awful person but is so completely fucked in the head that they aren't just trying to convince you they're the hero, it's legitimately how they see themselves. The contrast between the reality of the situation and Griffith's delusion is what makes him entertaining for me.

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>born in a place for the forgotten and forlorn
>learns sorcery
>leaves his place of birth
>ditches his spells
>wield two greatswords instead one of which he took straight from a capital protected by a giant lord of cinder
>makes another lord of cinder his pet dog
>makes a daughter of the royal family his personal dancer then exiles her
>feeds a god to his pet dog
>imprisoned his supposed sister in a secluded prison for all eternity
>doesn't waste time explaining his actions to an inferior pleb like the player character
>starts reking shit immediately
this a true god-tier villain.

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>>384386329
>>384387210
Not really a game but kind of counts.

>>384385826
Flowey is the opposite, actually. He isn't doing everyone a favor by destroying everything, he's doing himself one. He doesn't CARE that other people are happy, he's fucking miserable so everyone else has to be.

>>384378525
>breen
>villain

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>>384381224
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK
YOU

>>384385629
About half the villains of the Tales games act this way. Some of them have different goals but throw a shitfit and decide to end the world after you ruin their plan.

>>384378525
>griffith
>lust for power and prestige
>everything else is secondary
>good villain

okay

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Garbage pleb chart. The farther someone is from a villain is not the value of villain

>>384386687
Now this chart I can get behind. A villain you want to see killed off is great in video games because you have that much more motivation to actually play the game to the end.

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the one villain who actually factually did nothing wrong

>>384387935
>>imprisoned his supposed sister in a secluded prison for all eternity
Wait, who?

>>384378525
>irenicus may be seeking to change the society as a whole
fucken kill you are self

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Griffith is only in god tier because hes a well written character in general. The only difference between a high and god tier is how good a character that person is and how human they feel. Shit tier = 2D cardboard cutouts

>>384387465
by this thread's definition, yes they were elder god tier villains, seeing as what they were doing was for the good of all

>>384383828
Just obeying orders

>>384388640
Except get baited hard

>>384388662
i meant Gwyndolin's supposed sister, Yorshka.

>>384387465
Well, the entire second game is pretty much their killers realizing they were wrong and helping you save the world so yeah.

Floating rock mcgee was pretty meh-tier though, don't remember if he ever gave a real reason as to why he wanted to mess up the world.

>>384379840
He was like the only thing in the presequel that was well written even some of the time.

>>384381748
Op said villains, not heroes.

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>>384378525
I really liked the characters in general in pic related. All of them feel exceptionally human. The true antagonist does horrible things, but you can understand why they're doing that.

>>384389078
>you can avert the entire story by actually doing as he asks in the beginning

god damn

>>384389261
If I recall correctly the Wise One didn't think humanity could handle the power of alchemy and he was basically content with the world slowly dying instead of letting alchemy loose and having it end abruptly through humans being fuckwits.

>>384379603
The "perfect hero" is the biggest meme in the whole industry
A good villain (IMO) is the type that has other motives than just being evil for the sake of it.
And usually the best ones have actually good motives behind what they do.

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>>384378525

breen's motivations are kinda weak, but his presentation, character and voice are all very well done. Any other antagonistic characters they've made pales in comparison to him and his menacing speeches. Dig the guy

still can't believe it's been what, 7 years now?

>>384387935
>imprisoned his supposed sister in a secluded prison for all eternity

what was meant here?

>>384378661
Excellent answer.

>>384380090
>you never get to kick this dude's ass
still mad about it

>>384386660
Top tier villains, them and the Kohr-Ah.

>>384386017
>the PIRATE CAPTAIN
>Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain Adon

>>384389567
Yeah if I remember right the final boss fight boiled down to "prove to me you won't fuck up the world and I'll let you go" or something like that

>>384378525
>Griffith
>elder god tier
Op is a faggot edgelord.

>>384388034
This is Wakfu/Dofus, right?
I just thought of that out of the blue and it sounded pretty cool, so I might just check it out.

>>384389359
>>384386980
Well, he's pretty much the antagonist for most of the game, even if he did nothing wrong. I'd say he counts.

>>384389078
he isnt a villain

>>384390043
If you can put up with the animation, season one had arguably one of the best villains in recent memory and I recommend you watch it.

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>>384378525
Albedo

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>>384384529

Big X is literally the best ally in Gothic, only retards and nobles fearing his power spread rumours that he's an evil villainous wizard.

>>384385685
should be the black guy (donovan?) instead of griffith DESU

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Sometimes all I want is a villain with a booming voice and neat monologues.

Though behind the scenes he's got some pretty neat lore to him.

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>>384378525
Censorship makes everything better

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>>384390582

did they add a trenchcoat as well? holy hell, he's so fucking bitching

>>384378525
>breen
>reluctant
Hah. He's a bitchboy who jumped on that shit faster then an asian on my dick.

Trying to say that Griffiths motivations are better than the hero's, however, is bullshit on an a cosmic level. I'm guessing your physical stature is stereotypical neckbeard through and through.

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Big Boss in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.

He's sort of like Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now: barely on screen but has a massive presence/impact on the story and characters.

I'm definitely not talking out of my ass.

>>384390582
are they both the psp version?

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>>384378525
>Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's
Humm...

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does this even count?

>>384389461
I still don't understand how they managed to make me like Yukimasa
He wasn't even redeemed but I still ended up liking him at the very end

>>384382815
Only thing Cao Cao did wrong was dying too soon

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>>384379840
>Wants to get rid of vault hunters and bandits and looters on Pandora and modernize it into a proper planet run by Hyperion
Jack just wanted to create a cyberpunk world.

>>384391149
Maybe it's because, despite how bestial he was, you could realise what a human struggle it can be to keep your more savage instincts in check. The fundamental truth behind each of the three doors was that the people behind them weren't villains or monsters. They were painfully human.

>>384381903
Saren was indoctrinated you dumb cuck. The Reapers were just using him, they would've killed him too after they were done wiping out the Milky Way.

>>384378525
>the best kind of "villain" is one that's basically a hero
I don't understand this mindset at all.

>>384381903
I still don't get how no one realised that he was indoctrinated. All you would have to do is have him walk through a metal detector and you'd realise there was all of these weird alien implants through his whole body.

>>384383341
Then they're literally not a villain. At what point did the bad guy being bad become the worst possible thing?

>>384379065
>Liking a guy who sounds like Droopy

>>384378525
How is Griffith an Elder God villain?

>>384391849
>Disliking a guy that was voiced by Garrett's and Benny's VA
Shit taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M42XTWcjQ0

>>384391139
I don't see why it wouldn't.

>>384392030
ryuji barely seems like the actual villain for most of the game. Terada and that one guy in the omi alliance are the ones responsible for most of the stuff that goes down

>>384390923
Yeah. It's probably the best censorship ever.

>>384392128
The guys in charge of the Jingweon only start to show up right at the end though, even if Ryuji isn't responsible fora lot of the shit that goes down in the game, his rivalry with Kiryu still gets the most buildup and prevalence in the story.

>>384378525
Would Kayn be Elder God, or would he be considered too much of a hero?

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>>384390423
>Sometimes all I want is a villain with a booming voice
Agreed, which is why this got me excited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7KJ8uWNSt0

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Literally did nothing wrong. All of the "bad guys" in LA Noire are nothing compared to
>Cole "Cook the Gook" Phelps
>Cole" Slant-eye Ribeye" Phelps
>Cole "Hammatsu BBQ" Phelps
>Cole "Burned to a Coal" Phelps
>Cole "Stir-fry the Samurai" Phelps
>Cole "Hibachi Grill" Phelps

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Prove me wrong

>>384392363
Wrong video. Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MTop0A0VS8

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the order of events is kinda fucked here but it should still apply

>>384392363
RECOMMEND ME SOME GOOD VILLAINS FUCK

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>>384378525
The man, the myth, the legend

>>384392716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oW_rEi8X4Y&t=2m10s

>>384378525
Honestly this. I don't get it how people praise Darth Vader for being a great villain, when if fact he is boring and one dimensional.

>>384382815
Was Kain even considered evil? It's been a while since I've played

>>384378525
>Griffith.
>Motives.
He's literally Lavos-tier thanks to Idea if Evil and determinism bullshit.

>>384379840
Only thing made b2 bearable

>>384387551
>the face of your previous captor stretched on top of your own

Is that what it was? I thought he just had an ugly human face

Gaunter O Dimm

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Did literally nothing wrong.

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Vae Victis.

>>384392552
Purdy sweet. Booming or otherwise really manly voices are underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZitlia-u-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_s5AdWPfk

>>384378525
Possibly Handsome Jack since he has some amazing moments, specially in Tales.
Also the Revengeance bosses since they're charismatic as fuck.

>>384378525
Mid tier is unironically the best tier.
Rest of the tiers is pretty much:
>muh childhood
>muh humanity is wrong!1

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>>384393497
Yup, things didn't turn out too well for Tal'Rasha.

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>>384378525

>>384389359
This

>>384393845
wut gaem

>>384393861
Lol

>>384392472
Did you even play MGS my dude?

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>>384394120
Dead as fuck game Sin Episodes : Emergence

>>384392425
>Cole "cheats on wife" Phelps

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>>384393635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWXWYEu_UA

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How do you go from this to Colonel Autumn?

>>384394494
I love the voice acting in this
HE TURNED US INTO FUCKING KILLERS

>Griffith did nothing wrong
Fuck you. Griffith did everything wrong.

>>384394196
gotta make a webm of that scene with her nude mod

>>384393567
Who did even less wrong? The Ancestor or Griffith?

>>384382815

>Kamoshida
>Sexual harasses high school girls and physically abuses his volleyball team
>Caused a girl to attempt suicide because of the blackmail he had on her
>Threatened to get anyone who spoke against him expelled
>Didn't do anything wrong

all he had to do was not to fuck the king's daughter

>>384394338
>Cole "You fuck young boys?" Phelps

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>>384391109

>>384388640
He's a hero who did the one thing everyone else refused, but then gradually started fucking up by straying further and further from line of good towards evil.

>>384379840
He was a very nice villain. Any of the previous or later villains aren't as good as him.
General Knoxx is pretty good too

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For me, it's Kessler from InFamous. He first appears a villain and is in a lot of ways, but you discover Kessler is actually you from the future, that came back in time to accelerate the means that give you powers, so that one day you will be able to defeat the "beast" that destroys all, leaving behind a desolate future.

>>384394853
/v/ considers anyone who isn't a Saturday morning cartoon villain as "did nothing wrong".

>>384382815
>Garrosh

Droped

>>384379432
Basically a trap mercenary wants his own kingdom and when he can't get one because he's basic af, and after he gets his shit pushed in hard enough through imprisonment and torture, he decides to sacrifice all of his merc buddies to demons so he can become a super demon and create a kingdom.

... but that's not really his motivation anyways since his entire existence was an empty container, filled up with some maguffin/deus ex "evil force" shit (literally the Idea of Evil).

In a nutshell, people that think Griffith is a good character are virtually retarded.

>>384392472
All of them
Your point being?

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>>384394120
From back in the days when they still added naked models and shit for characters hidden in the code. I imagine Elexis Sinclaire today being a feminazis buzzcut haired bitch with attitude and pulling one liners about bad bad men.

>>384395026
It's a bit generic and cliche, but I quite like the villains who is doing something horrible in the moment in order to save the world from certain doom later.

>>384392425
>nothing wrong
>works in vice, takes cuts out of drug money
>loose grip of the law
>part of Monroe's housing scam
>as whole
>nothing wrong

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>>384382815
Spoilers for Ace Attorney Series
>killed a good person
>framed a little girl for it
I barely remember this case (I had to look up this just to confirm) but I know for a fact that he did everything wrong. That other cunt also did everything wrong, I don't remember everything for this one either but I'm pretty sure he killed Horace for something Horace didn't even do, it was he himself who did it.

Now THIS guy on the other hand, did nothing wrong.

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>>384382815
This one here was a fucking dumbass retarded asshole

>>384394765
This shit I play, teenage fap nostalgia. Imagine that bitch in full HD and a new engine. With her teasing.

>>384394170
>>384395162
Meant for this guy

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Only 'villain' ever to downright scare me.

>>384395214
For sure cliche, still fitting for this type of game/story. I also really like the "your greatest obstacle is-yourself" type thing.

>>384383192
>He may be an idiot or incompetent
except he's correct literally every time

>>384386017
> nonsensical

confirmed for not reading or even watching the movies

his actions do make sense although it may seem extreme.
his whole career as leader of the band of the hawk he is becoming less empathetic and willing to sacrifice more and more to reach his dream to the point where people are becoming nothing more than just pawns to him, then Guts comes along and through him he remembers his humanity, out of all the people he has watched die to achieve his dream guts is the only one who makes him forget about his ambition.
Then when guts leaves he hits his breaking point, the one person holding him together says fuck you. So then he strikes a deal with the devil, the deal being rid me of all these pesky emotions and empathy, rid me of my humanity so i can finally reach my dream without interference.

not sure how you can think this is nonsense, griffith is a god tier villain

>>384382815
tell me ONE thing shodan didn't do wrong

>>384383325
Adachi, maybe, but I would move him to high tier because, as it was summed up in one of TV programmes in P5 "world sucks" was basically his reason. Kamoshida was evil without any reason (well, maybe he dreamt of his former olympic glory), he was just evil. Exploiting positions for personal gain when said position has very high trust of society is undermining it, which automatically makes him a problem in the bigger picture. Not to say he did massive overkill on Ryuji (he wanted to destroy track team anyway in the long run), spilled news of Joker's criminal record for no reason other then "let's fuck up someone's life even more", pushed Shiho towards suicide, and forced himself on Ann. Only people with boner for hedonism would defend him.

>>384382659
What the fuck dude does everyone get raped in this series god damn. I jeard Griffith rapes some bitch, now he's getting raped, Guts gets blacked, etc.

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>>384395682
Thanks, I was afraid I wasn't going to get a good (You)

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>>384393635
Fuck that second vid is nice. Good to see that other devs than Blizzard are capable of top tier voice effects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsK7Eh0n1Ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMqjn072NY

>>384390831
He didn't do any bad thing in the entire game. Hell, even if you think it right, the player is the bad guy

>>384385823

She was literally a bitter cunt because no one liked her edgy ideology that doesn't work in the context of the Star Wars universe.

>>384378525
>irenicus not elder god tier
troll list, move along people

>>384386687
Swap Handsome Jack with Kane.

>>384384529
He isn't even a villain in the long run, Destroying rune magic was a way to bring balance in the god wars. You can side with him and still get rid of orcs, he is true neutral party of Myrtana and best ending.

>>384395242
>works in vice, takes cuts out of drug money
You can't stop people from wanting drugs. Controlling the criminals who control the supply is better than letting them go wild.
>loose grip of the law
He upheld the law when it mattered. Normal Joes and Janes lived life just fine.
>part of Monroe's housing scam
He was a part of it and benefited from it but he didn't do a whole lot.

Compare that to Cole who cheats on his wife, lets a suspect evade arrest and lies about it to piss off Roy, threatens half of LA with the gas chamber, got dozens of innocent American men killed at Okinawa, and fried hundreds of innocent Japanese civilians. Now that he's at home he suddenly care that civilians are being burned alive just because they're Americans?

>>384389461
Still the best VN I've ever read. Every character was well written and every single thing tied itself together nicely in the end and the happy ending was satisfying after the MC and heroine went through so much shit.

Morgana best girl though.

>>384379603
>A villain that's well written an whose motives make sense from their POV is not inherently better
kys

>>384385629
Demon souls

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>>384395301
Subsurface scattering on that bitch in UE4 would be fucking awesome. Too bad that the developer studio spent all of their money on hookers

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>>384384690
I could never forget the first real video game crossover, that also happens to have the first canon appearance of the Wariocycle.

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>>384385823
>Stop relying on the Force, it makes you weak!
>E-Except right now when I use the Force to fight you.
>Stop being an edgy shitlord, your actions cause echos and needless suffering!
>E-Except ignore that I'm a Sith and trained a ton of edgy shitlords and caused needless suffering.
Hypocritical cunt.

>>384395318
Big Boss was not a villain, he just didn't want to work with the (((Patriots)))

>>384395842
I concede. I wish I have sensed the bait sooner.
I was truly believing that you might be one of those faggots who actually believe that being a dick to everyone is right thing to do.

>>384396070
He did take over the world and enslave most of humanity, so his goals may be noble but the way there is evil

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>>384378525

>>384378525
the transcendent one

>>384396076
Oh yeah Cole isn't being excused at all and is the real Villain, which is why he paid for his atrocities in the end, but this guy still dis wrong, no matter how minor in comparison

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Zuko was one of the best written villains of all time.

>>384396409
>(((Patriots)))
I smiled

>>384396391
But B A L A N C E, anon!

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>>384396414
Yeah I was just shitposting
I don't think any persona villain would belong in Elder God tier

>>384382815
>Lautrec of Carim
>Kills an innocent firekeeper because "haha why not"
>When you try to get the firekeeper soul to resurrect the firekeeper he ganks up on you with two other guys and tries to kill you too
>"dindu nuffin"

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This guy is responsible for all the fun encounters you had every five steps.

>>384396409
>he just didn't want to work with the (((La Li Lu Le Lo)))
What did anon mean by this?

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>>384396723
>phoenix down

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Where does this guy gets in? It's probably one of the few guys I wanted to see win

>>384396791
More like la li lu le loy vey, am I right

>>384396621
Yeah, but he was never really the villain all along. His father is the reason he was hellbent on restoring muh honor. Amazing character developement regardless.

>>384396621
Was any of the Avatar games even good?

Also, he wasn't a villain. Just an antagonist for like one season and a few episodes. The Fire Lord was the villain.

>>384396909
>
Not that I know of.

Too bad Korra shit the bed hard :^(

>>384396821
He definitely fucked up hard though?
>That design.
I mean christ, look at it.

>>384381582
This, OP hasn't played the game obviously or somehow skipped all of the dialogue regarding Darkspawn.

>>384379916
Was a perfect villain until the "BTW I killed your parents, I'm evil" thing.

>>384395674

She literally killed the many which prevented them from infecting and destroying earth. How can she NOT be considered good?

>>384385629

>>384385489

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>>384396352
That is fucking sad. Those latex bitches for models probably costed a lot to. The latex looked like shit. But this bitch is a hot bitch.

Source engine did have some good tit monsters for its time.

Also, what is a subsurface scattering?

>>384396250
bait

>>384396436
He didn't do it personally. He just came and removed rune magic. Myrtana was losing war anyway after transports of ore from Nordmar stopped flowing. Fall of the Barrier only sped up the process. They were doomed anyway and he just showed himself as Beliar's chosen one (mostly because he took the soul stone of undead dragon) and manipulated orcs to find Adanos artifacts which he would destroy after and carry out his plan to bring balance to the world again, fire mages would try getting artifacts too to win the war for Innos, so he had to remove them from the picture.

>>384382815
The Voice did NOTHING wrong, he just wanted to see his little girl

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I'll be honest I really like Kirei, he's a villain I can't really hate because he's so damn good. Although I am a little pissed how he went down in UBW, but then again everything about UBW outside of Archer sucked ass.

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>>384396621
Azula was the villain most of the time though, the firelord is just a guy that shows up for 3 or so chapters, zuko was never evil, it just happened that getting the avatar was his only way to make peace with his father

>>384385629
Lysandre and Cyrus from Pokémon sort of.

>>384379603
Just dumb griffith faggots. Narcissists often enable other narcissists.

>>384397526
I want to cum inside Azula

>>384397546
Did nothing wrong

>>384385629
Persona 4. It's almost surprising nobody said it yet, it's the only reason Adachi ever did anything.

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>>384385629
>Nobody has said Nott M. Portant

>>384397524
I disagree.

UBW is overall the best route, HF is the one that sucks ass besides the last couple of fights and Kirei.

>>384396391
>Over-reliance on the force means you can't adapt and blurs your ability to make decisions on your own. It's a tool, not some magic skyfather that will tell you how to do everything.
>Being edgy doesn't do anything but satisfy your murderboner. Think about what you want to do and the best way to achieve it.

Kreia's entire message could be boiled down to "think".

>>384397789
>you will never drive the mongrel dogs out of Morrowind with your bro Dagoth Ur
Why even live

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>>384397893

>>384397546
I can count the polygons.

>>384397781
A true semen demon I agree

>>384385823
She really is an interesting character. It's hard to even call her a villain. She's just so damn complex

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>>384397526
>that animation in azula vs zuko fight
>that feel when she gets a mental breakdown after defeat

>>384382163
>kills everyone to save the creatures on the ship
>indirectly causes hundred to thousands of more creature deaths as a result

Being Providence must be suffering.

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>>384397456
more realistic skin effects but I'm an idiot because UE4 must already support those effect

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This guy

>>384378525
This motives meme is the biggest brainlet trap there is when it comes to creating a good villain.

Read more, kids.

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>>384398219
Fucking hell, if we could get a new Sin game with that. Elexis Sinclaire need a new game.

>>384397089
It hurts. It's unfathomable just how fucking much they could have missed what made TLA so damn good. It's like it's not even made by the same two people.

>>384397291
Pretty sure we don't know if Urthemiel and the other Archdemons do it of just pure evil or due to the taint making them mad.

The Darkspawn Horde would be tier 2, the Old Gods in high tier, The Archdemons in either mid, shit or high depending on how much of the God is still in there. The Magisters in Shit tier.

>>384379065
Builder. Forger. Father. Fuel us now.

>>384378525
>GRIFFITH BAITING
kys

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>>384379065
More like this guy.
>wants humans to return to their natural ways and stop being dependant on technology
>gets killed for it
He did nothing wrong.

>>384378525
Luca Blight would be shit tier according to this, but he's a great villain.

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>>384397549

>>384398697
>bringing back the dark ages
>good
Choose one you treehugging taffer