How the fuck

Just press forward before a hadouken.

>these threads still get replies

>>384364353
>forward
>semi-circle forward and punch
are you retarded?

>>384364559
I'll take any reason to talk about fighting games.

>>384364483
hell, when I'm feeling really lazy I just do two fast hadoukens

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>>384364353

>>384364784
That's why it's a critical heart

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>>384364353
What do you want /v/?
You have tons of fighting games where the special inputs take barely any execution and combo building is incredibly simple but you still complain.

>>384364353
Honestly I just do reverse hadokens and it works

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>>384364353
That's easy.

This shit however is literally impossible and only the CPU can do it.

If that scares you, check KOF XIII trial 7 or above with any character.

>>384369362
>>384364353

I know this is bait but

To do a "z motion" in street fighter, simply do down forward, down, down forward. The shortcut works on every character.

To do a "360 motion" simply do a half circle back, then immediately up forward. That's how zangief players are able to do it without jumping.

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>>384364353

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>tfw you will never pull off Ace Attorney in a match
How am I supposed to get three good pieces of evidence, change modes, hit someone with an Objection, and then do the button combination to do Ace Attorney all in succession without dying in such a fast-paced fighting game?

>>384370324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U7IyV9AYKQ

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>>384364353
really makes you think

>>384364662
Yeah but if you have the Super then it's a Shinku Hadouken.

>>384364662
that'll give you a super in some games though

>>384369641
the problem with xii's trials is that the next line of inputs appears after you complete the previous ones instead of having everything in the screen. use that HD resolution for something god damn it.

>>384370441
DSP is average at fighting games though.

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I just do a reverse hadouken and normal hadouken motions quickly

>>384372349
this
dsp just gets brought down by button mashers and players with shitty internet

>>384372349
he is a peice of human trash

Right quarter circle down quarter circle right

>>384364353
Left > Right > Down > Left > Right + (H/L)Punch ???

>>384374110
>Left
what the fuck

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>>384364353
this might help if you can't do it the regular way.

>>384364353
how the fuck are dps a Z
anybody who doesn't already know what the input is will think it's ⟶ ↙ ↘ when it's actually ⟶ ↓ ↘

>>384364784
It's just a combo written in a garbage way is that even hard?

>>384375145
Because it's literally a Z. It's 623

>>384375145
>⟶ ↓ ↘
But going back to neutral on a stick takes some time, it's more efficient going from ⟶ to ↙ directly.

>>384374839
or 626

>>384375713
you can't. 3 has to be pressed. You probably press it without knowing (octogonal gate, perhaps?)

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>>384375713
You called?

Fighting game inputs ruin the genre for me. Its just an artifical mechanical skill floor that adds nothing besides endless tedium of grinding them out until you get them right.

>>384376929
How is developing the muscle memory for special moves any different from developing the muscle memory necessary for playing a shooter well or memorizing a map?

>>384376929
I'm sorry that you suck at moving your fingers. Must be tough to deal with.

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>>384364353
all there is to it

>>384377190
>how is a natural human function different from doing cartwheels as your only form of movement?

>>384377587
>food analogy

don't listen to the people that say to do forward then a quarter circle

it actually is a Z shape, forward then you snap to down, then down+forward, like a Z

>>384364353
shoryukens are so yesterday, I do electric wind godfists

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The only truly fucked up input in fighting games is KBD in Tekken and that wasn't even an intentional mechanic.

Get fucking good.

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>he cant do a geese pretzel

>>384378258
I always forget how it fucking starts. Is it down forward or down back?

>>384378537
Starts down back

>>384372349
It's sad that he's probably better than half the people on this board.

when's lord aris back ?

>>384378689
he won majors for super turbo though.

>>384378689
Half? I'd argue at least 3/4's of the board can't even consistently throw fireballs.

>>384364580
why call it a semi circle if it is just a quarter of a circle wich is drawn?

>>384369362
Do it faster, the input will be read but you will not jump.

>>384378897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gLDuYs8vWw

>>384374839
>>384364353
The problem isn't that this is hard to do.

It's that every fighting game ever is godawful at conveying what it wants you to do for a combo input.

>>384376929
it makes pulling off long/hard combos feel 1000x more satisfying. plus in some games it adds variety: going for a combo with a 2 frame window that nets you an extra 10 damage might be what you need to finish the match, but are you going to risk it?

>>384379105
To expand on this, all grapplers have an extra 2-3 frame buffer on their jump animations, so basically you have 7 frames or so to churn a 360 before the game reads it as a jump.

>>384379362
>>384376929

a Z motion is a fucking simple move but still is way beyond of a moba/kid fps player skill.

this is what makes korean RTS or oldschool FPS players shine.

fighting games are not hard. it's just you already wasted 4000+ hours in a toddler game

>>384376929
Theyre still stuck in horrible unintuitive mechanics because Fighting games are an outdated and niche genre these days. Only the dedicated FGC actually plays them anymore and would bitch and whine if capcom or any company ever dared try to improve their broken concepts.

Some fighting games have made it past the unga bunga combo stage of development but of course the FGC wont admit theyre real fighters unless they strictly adhere to the SF formula set almost 30 years ago. Theyre stuck in a bygone era and refuse to evolve.

>>384369362
most games that have 360 inputs will still register if you finish the input at up-back rather than going all the way around, that's what you should do

>>384379917
the fuck are you talking about

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EXPLAIN

>>384381008
You tap forward, wait, then down downright MH

>>384381094
It's still not electric!

>>384364353
don't worry, MvCI casualized it for ya

>>384381298
you need to press the button simultaneously as you hit down/down forward, not afterwards

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how were you supposed to know you needed to jump into the painting?

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>>384381360
huh

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Friendly reminder that white guys are the reason that fighting games are being simplified to retardation levels.

>>384379362
It's meant to represent a fightstick with a square gate. You can make an actual Z shape with the stick. That's why it's confusing for pad players.

>>384382095
except the best vampire savior players and most of the US guilty gear scene are white.

>>384378814
Tonight I think

>>384382095
what ethnicities are good at fighting games?

asking you specifically no one else

>>384381360
You know I saw a recent MVCI video and I thought "okay this doesn't look nearly as bad as when it was first announced." I'm glad you reminded me of this shit though. Down Down is cancer and is actually less fluid to do on a stick than a dragon punch motion. What were they thinking?

should i buy a fight stick

playing fighting games on a 360 controller is really shit

>>384382240
it's a meme because the american marvel/sf scene is mostly black and asian at the top levels

for niche games though, like ST, vampire savior, and anime games, the white representation is way bigger. ST and vsav are actually almost totally white these days.

>>384379917
what are these games you speak of?

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>>384382427
Are you going to stick with fighting games for a long time?

>>384382240
1. Asians
2. Latino
3. Negroid
4. Arabs
5. Mediterraneans
6. Indians
7. everything else
8. females
9. White guys

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>>384382530
>not 2 fingers on the top and 2 fingers behind, facing you, resting on the front panel

that's the only right way. don't know how japs can use all fingers on top

>>384382575
>mediterraneans
>not white

I'm pale and green eyed/brown haired, pretty white

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>>384382486
>for niche games though, like ST, vampire savior, and anime games, the white representation is way bigger. ST and vsav are actually almost totally white these days.

>>384382813
it's true, go to an ST or vsav tournament, it's a KKK meeting with 1 or 2 token minorities

ebin meme face xD

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>>384382793
For some reason, Italians and Greeks/Turks have incredible amounts of natural skill in fighting games whereas northern and western europeans are all totally incompetent.

>>384383121
I'm Greek and pretty ok, idk, picked up the fundamentals fast

>↙↗↘↖ +
?

>>384382575
okay just making sure

>>384382793
If your nipples arent pink you're a nigger
Stop pretending

>>384383963
they are

>>384382486
You are such a poser. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>384384856
it's literally true. more whites play the more niche games. you're the poser.

>>384385024
First of all, a simple google proves you categorically wrong in an instant. But I don't even have to do that. If you actually played "vampire savior" then you would have been playing a game called Darkstalkers. Vampire Savior was only the name of the JP versions of the game. Unless you lived in Japan, you're a poser.

>>384382095
>>384382575
>>384383121
>it's this guinea again
literally no one who's good at fighting games is Italian you fucking wop

>>384385249
oh my god I love it when /v/irgins think they know what they're talking about then get humiliated.

The community calls it vampire savior or vsav for short you clueless fucking cuck. And they use the japanese names for the characters too, like calling hsien ko -> lei lei, bb hood -> bulleta, rikuo -> aulbath.

http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Vampire_Savior/Lei-Lei

The name of the discord is even #vampiresavior and it's called "vampire savior" AT EVERY FUCKING TOURNAMENT AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY USES THE FUCKING JAPANESE NAMES.

Holy shit I am LEGIT just laughing at you. You just embarrassed yourself. You actually think the vsav community calls it "darkstalkers".

Never ever talk about fighting games again.

>>384382030
Having the circle makes it a lot clearer.

>>384385880
not the person your replying to, but why do they call it vsav over here, to not confuse any jap players/watchers?

>>384385880
KEK So you basically just outed yourself as being a streamer and yootoob watching 09er? Yeah we're done here, poser.

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>>384386453
Are you literally retarded? I've gone to tournaments for the game and I'm an active player you fucking idiot.

Please stop digging this hole even deeper for yourself.

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>>384386453
>a simple google proves you categorically wrong in an instant
holy fuck, your average /v/ arguer everybody

>>384386669
Wow settle down, little one. Hey I have a question though, did pewdiepie think SFV was as good as Five Nights At Freddy's?

>>384386669
Better question - maybe you followed some tutorial videos made by Mark Iplier? haha

>>384382172
neither of these are true nigga what the fuck are you talking about lmaoooo

>>384387097
what does that have anything to do with what he said at all

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>>384386079
not him. but they use it to make it easier to know what game they are talking across the world.
capcom USA loved change names of franchises and characters. as the internet got better it turned into a fucking mess the discussion of a bunch of games because they were the same but with diferent names. even to this day people still mix darkstalkers 3 (Vampire Savior EX) with Vampire Savior. look at pic related

>>384378201
while holding back, tap forward, tap down repeat, ezpz 100% KBD

>>384375145
>anybody who doesn't already know what the input is will think it's ⟶ ↙ ↘
Well that is a valid DP input.

>>384385880
nah, you are just LEGIT mad, and sperging out for no reason
take a chill pill, pal :)

>>384387646
what a fucking mess

>>384369678
>To do a "360 motion" simply do a half circle back, then immediately up forward
Damn, thanks anon!

>>384376929
t. downie

>>384369678
>To do a "360 motion" simply do a half circle back, then immediately up forward. That's how zangief players are able to do it without jumping.

Shiet, is this legit? For every game or shit fighter only?

>>384364353
>try to get friends into SFV, easily the most babby mode fighter not that that's a bad thing, I love how there's finally a competitive fighting game that's remotely accessible to people that doesn't require insanely precise inputs
>they get triggered every time they try to input any special and it doesn't come out

I'm sure there's a learning curve, but it's not THAT hard to spend like 10 minutes in Training to consistently do a DP motion

>>384382095
>white people are simplifying fighting games
lol? see smash. that game is not simple and we dominate that game

I want to play fighting games. I see that SFV and Tekken are terrible, Mortal Kombat and Injustice are awful, and the others have an absurd difficulty curve. I doubt I'll overcome that curve when I'm playing other genres as well.

I guess I don't want to play fighting games.

>>384390780
Fighting games, not Smash.

>>384372671
that's so dumb

>>384390747
it takes a lot more than 10 minutes to start consistently throwing out DPs if you are learning from scratch, anon

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>>384370324
>>384370417
>tfw really want to git gud at Marvel 3 and start going to tournaments
>tfw it's too fucking late

>>384364353
just do the motion of right-down-right. this gets the same results, and its way easier than trying to do a fucking z

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>>384390830
Find one with good tutorials

>>384391075
I don't know if I'm a fucking genius or something, but I went from spamming HP and HK in the Super Nintendo SF games straight to SFV. While I did have issues with doing specials at first, I don't think I had to dedicate that much time to train my muscle memory to get the motion basically down on one side. Fighting fellow Rookies/low Bronzes, you don't even deal with crossups that much, so it's a pretty safe noob tactic to assume you won't be switching sides

>>384391297
I know that feel

>>384391409
It's not about the tutorials, it's about the gap in skill level being much bigger and the single player being useless to bridge that gap.

>>384391894
It's almost like devoting time to something makes you better than those with less time.

>>384392003
Yeah, and I'd rather not devote so much time just to reach the first rung of the ladder when other games have smoother progression. I could get smoother progression in SFV, but it doesn't seem to be in dispute how bad that game is.

>>384390830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0MXyJxa6Ik

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>>384392508
This.

>>384392508
Logarithmic has not been my experience. It seems bad to assume that all skills follow this trend regardless of their complexity or how that complexity is shaped.

>>384379362
It literally gives you a visual fucking diagram of the motion. What more do you need? A 5 minute youtube video showing you the process in slow motion?

>>384391297
What have you been doing for the past 6 years?

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>>384393413
>complexity
it's a video game genre that black people love playing

>>384377530
But that's a crouchdash

>>384393413
I agree, there are a lot of skills in fighting games that are black and white. It should look more like a square function early on in the graph because of the fundamental execution barrier in some of these games.

>>384394357
Guess they're physically superior.
Must be why cumskins fear them so much.

>>384392508
This touches on another point. I don't want to follow youtube study courses just to get off the ground in a video game. I have not done this for any other genre of video game, or for the easier fighting games. You know what the "study course" is for every other video game? The game itself, even for multiplayer games. Level 2 follows level 1; more skilled opponents follow easier ones. The game itself serves as the entire world when I'm playing it, and every second spent following an outside prescription just breaks immersion. Stopping to think applies to strategizing, not to weird meta-analysis of my own development.

>>384395467
>I have not done this for any other genre of video game
Every competitive game will make you go through some sort of study course if you want to get good fast. No ingame tutorials will teach you starting builds in Starcraft, item builds and whole metagame for mobas or shit like nade throwing in CS. Only games that you can easily pick up are games that are easy by itself.

>>384396253
Except you don't need to get good, fast. Only niche games demand that to actually get to the fun part, and that's why they remain niche.

>>384390780
>we dominate that game
>Hbox, Mango and Leffen are white
heh

>>384396789
not him but getting good is the fun part imo especially when you start out and you have many small things to learn so you'll see noticeable gains fast

>>384375887
Well sorry for that half ass post. What I meant to post 6 2+6 ⟶ ↓ ↘ not 6 2 6 ⟶ ↓⟶ .

>>384399558
or 6 2 2+6(f d df)

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>>384369976
Its pretty sure actually since there are shortcuts. Pic related you gotta do the full shit.

>>384400056
Easy*

>>384378814
kill yourself

>>384400319
But when tho?

>>384391297
Well, MvCI is coming out, as half-baked as it looks. You could start alongside everyone else there, or join in the Dragonball Fighter Z hype train if you want to play a 3v3.

>>384376929
I'll give you a hint. The difficulty in performing some motions leads to the action taking longer to perform. Meaning some options are harder to do quickly. Beating someone jumping in on you with a special move like a shoryken takes faster reactions or prediction, but gives more reward than using a simple punch anti-air.

>>384364784
isn't this some instakill move

someone post the insanely long tenkaichi combos

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COME ON!