FFXII - The Zodiac Age

What's the difference with this version and the international one?

I'm still questioning Vaan's role in the story after the Leviathan. He lost the Dawn Shard and got penelo back so he literally has no stake in the story and Balthier has no reason to keep him around other than to be nice.

>>384354391
Better graphics (obviously)
Some rearranged OSTs
2 jobs instead of 1 (so you can have every job now)
4x speed instead of 2x

I tried to buy the Vita version but is sold out everywhere where I live

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>>384354783
>4x speed instead of 2x
yessssss I need this

>>384354703
He was shoehorned in after girls didnt like Basch as the main character.

>>384354783
something's fucked up with the draw distance or something though

>On the Leviathan
>get told about the security lasers
>they load on screen after I've walked past them into a dead end to open a chest

>>384355034
I haven't played the game in a while, but isn't that dead end supposed to be an intentional trap?

>>384354947
Well Balthier is clearly the most dapper (no homo) so he should have been the MC.

>>384355034
It was like that on the original.

>>384355203
Nah, he has no reason to help anyone. He's obviously a bit selfish, but only enjoys the adventure.

Basch was gonna be the MC, fighting to clear his name against the empire, teaming up with Ashe to restore her to power after it was robbed. Shits a classic FF story. I'm so fucking mad about how butchered 12 was, story-wise.

>>384355374
Basch is such a vapid and dull character though; even in the prologue I was getting sick and tired and had literally no investment in him whatsoever.

Ashe is pretty cool, but she does follow the royal damsel trope of every female FF protaganist ever though.

>>384355374
He doesn't like to say it but he also likes helping. he didn't really have any qualms about helping Vaan, saving Penelo or assisting Ashe when he could have just as easily said nah fuck y'all.

>>384355498
Basch is just a blank slate because he never got the chance to develop. They neutered fuck out of all his involvement, apart from getting mad about his traitor brother, because they needed to focus on Vaan in some way.

>>384355374
>>384355498

Everyone questions Balthier's motives early game and just assume he is in it for adventure/profit but if any of you had played the damn game, you'd understand he has personal stakes in it as soon as the nethicite is revealed. There are tons of evidence seeing as how he reacts differently anytime they mention Dr. Cid and Draklor labs.

>>384355634
Obviously, but it wouldn't make sense having him as the MC because he'd have no drive for almost half, or even two thirds, of the game.

Never played before, I just escaped the dungeons after saving Basch. I'm assuming I'm pretty much barely out of the opening, but I'm really loving this so far. The only previous FF I'd played was VI, when it was still III. Rabanastre is super comfy.

>>384354851
is there actually a vita version for FFXII? Can I get it digitally? It does not appear on my Ps Store.

>>384354947
>girls didnt like Basch as the main character.
fuck those plebeian whores

>>384355989
He's talking shit, there's sadly no Vita release.

>>384354783
>2 jobs instead of 1 (so you can have every job now)
Wonderful
I dropped the International version because I made Balthier a machinist and this was a terrible terrible msitake.

What are some good Gambit combos out there? It looks way too overwhelming for me.

>>384356406
Foe with ≥ 100% HP > Steal on 1 or 2 characters in your party

feels good more people are playing this,
if you leave Vaan aside the overall plot is pretty good.
Vayne did nothing wrong.

>>384354703
After you get to the pharos there's a cutscene where you realize that balthier actually really likes vaan and thinks of him as his apprentice, but being too cool for that, would deny so.

Why do the Bangaa talk like they have a mouth full of cum?

anyff12 DEEP lore?

>>384356313
Some of the jobs mainly machinist, time mage and red mage are terrible stand alone jobs. I once went with a time mage and it was pretty much a hastebot with mediocre damage.
>>384356406
Put bigger heals on higher priority than smaller heals.
Example
Ally hp 50%< cura
Ally hp 70% < cure

It may seem obvious for some, but if you don't do it like this the characters will keep casting cure when they need a stronger heal.

I like to use the "target foe with lowest hp" gambit as my go to attack gambit on all my characters. This means you can change party leader when you feel like it.

On your healer/more support oriented characters you might want to have them know steal and use >>384356528


It's not difficult, try out combinations and see what you like. Some people just have a simple attack foe with lowest hp gambit and then do everything else themselves in active mode.

Think I found a good steal gambit. #1 priority is attacking foes with less than 70% health, the #2 is stealing from enemies with over 70%. So you more or less get a couple attempts on every enemy before getting standard dps. Anyone come up with something better?

>>384358184
if you're just stealing for loot you should just have 2 characters with Foe HP 100% = Steal and one with Foe HP 100% = Attack.

If you're trying to steal some rarer/more important shit like Gilgamesh's shit you're better of just making a constant steal gambit and de-activate it once you've gotten what you want

>Penelo
Knight/Bushi
>Ashe
Monk/Black mage
>Vaan
Shikari/Foebreaker
>Bashe
Uhlan/Time mage
>Balthier
Machinist/White mage
>Fran
Archer/Red mage

Rate.

Help me with my second jobs.

Vaan: Monk
Balthier: Shikari
Fran: Foebreaker
Basch: Knight
Ashe: Bushi
Penelo: Black Mage

>yfw you read on the internet that balthier is slower with guns and fran is slower with bows than other characters

>>384358717
Yes, due to their shitty attack animation.

balthier is the kimahri of ff12

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wtf the game is still boring af

i cant believe i let you guys con me into buying this

How old is Fran?

>>384359831

>anime poster

You did this to yourself.

>>384359915
80 in rabbit years

>>384359831
This is kinda how I feel but I convinced myself to get it

The setting is great but the story and gameplay are boring as fuck

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>>384360263
just stop playing

it barely gets better (you get more abilities and such as you progress and the combat can actually get p complex especially with end game stuff) and some sections are just complete wank

I spent at least 100 hours on this game like 3 years ago

do i regret it? no. but i would still put it down if i were you. there is so much fucking bullshit ahead of you. you wouldnt believe me if i told you.

you wouldnt believe me

>>384359915
t. Vaan

>finished pharos
did they start running out of time/money or something? that dungeon was fucking awful and even the story bits at the end of it made no sense

>>384360642
I'm super autistic about finishing games and rarely, if ever, buy something and don't finish it

As long as I can bypass most optional stuff and roll through the story I'll be able to do it. I'm at the stilshrine of Miriam right now IIRC

Whats the updated best way to farm gil endgame? Every clickbait site I look only lists shitty early ways.

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>>384354085
Postan party
Rate

Vaan - Shikari/Breaker
Penelo - White mage/Machinist
Balthier - Bushi/Monk
Basch - Knight/Bushi
Fran - Red mage/time mage
Ashe - Black mage/Monk

Just arrived at Phon Coast, have already both licence boards filled for every character.

>>384354947
This is literally a stupid rumor everyone believes. Vaan is an awesome character wasted on all you plebes.

>>384361934
The original plot line was about 2 brothers on opposite sides of the war. Vaan was shoehorned.

>>384362013
Just like the original plot of vii was in a new york ghetto. Guess the whole game was shoehorned.

>>384362109
Move them goalposts boy

>>384361727
In vanilla the best way was farming mirror knights in Feywood. They drop mirror mails quite frequently.

>>384361678
>stilshrine of Miriam
if you're already that far then i have faith you'll soldier through the rest of the game

i thought you were like 4 hours in or something

>>384361906

LP is pretty easily farmed. Most people get all the stat nodes pretty early. The nodes for gear/abilities that you have no access to are literally useless until the point in which you can buy/obtain them.

>>384354085
By the way guys, be careful, they fucked up the auto save:
It actuall save OVER your last save file; So if you have to enter the Last "Dungeon" DO ALL THE SIDE QUESTS BEFOREHAND or disable the autosave option if it's possible to.

Don't be fucked in the ass like I was.

Speed up feature is great. More big rpgs should have this.

>>384362554
or always save at crystals too, along with the autosave...

>>384362485
Wait how far in am I?

I've had like 2x speed on most of the way so I have maybe like 15-20 hours so far

>>384362635
it's what I did faggot, the thing is the auto save save OVER your last save file; it being a crystal save or an automatic one: so my save state before the last dungeon was DELETED by the game itself.

>>384354085
I couldn't think of who to give mechanist and archer, so balth has both classes.

I don't use him, so no loss.

>>384362181
You're the one moving them, games often start as something very different from what they turn out, that doesn't mean stuff is shoehorned in. Xii being something different at the start is quite literally the same as vii being something something different at the start. Hating on Vaan is a stupid meme, he's a great character. The "flaws" people point is simply him not being very involved with the plot but that is not a fucking flaw. This is something done very, very often in literature and cinema; not every main character has to be a special snowfalke, sometimes regular ass people just find themselves strung into events or simply decide to embrace the adventure. Which is exactly what Vaan does. He had a shitty ass life and when adventure finally knocked on his door he said hell yeah because anything is better than his boring shitty daily life.. which mirrors the player, escaping into a fantasy world just as Vaan escapes into his fantasies of being a sky pirate.

>>384362832
Tldr.

Vaan has stupid clothes and is a shoehorn.

>>384362737
What? No it doesn't. The autosave saves over the last autosave.

>>384362957
I can assure you my last crystal save was deleted by the autosave.

>>384362832
Regardless of when the decision was made about Vaan during development, it was a bad decision and was implemented poorly. There's no reason for him to be there, and more than that there's no reason for the others to want to continue babysitting him and Penelo.

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>>384362943
Vaan is a pleb filter, so it's only natural you got filtered anon.

>>384363026
I have over 40 hours of game and it has never saved over my manual saves, I keep 2 manual saves and one autosave slot.

>>384363147
Vaan doesnt even get pussy. LOL

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>>384362750
>He doesn't use the main character
Balthier/Basch/Ashe is canon party. Everybody else is just along for the ride, literally in the case of A CERTAIN SOMEONE and his RETARD COMPANION who were obviously shoved into a game because STUPID NIPS AND /v/ LOVES TEEDUS AND FFX.

>>384363273
PENELO'S PUSSY you fag

>>384363409
I just played as Ashe the whole time. It feels more right.

>>384362642
idk, like 30% if you're just doing the main story

maybe even 40%

a ffxii autist would be better suited for this question, as I only played the game once, did some side content, then never touched it again

Ashe is such a bitch holy shit

>>384363418
wrong. And Penelo doesnt even have any ass

>>384363418
>implying penelo wouldn't ram vaan with a strap-on

>>384363691
her lack of ass does not pose as an obstacle for Vaan to enter all her holes

stop being a nigger

>>384361852
Those high-res head shots make it look like you're recruiting for some kind of modelling agency.

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Daily reminder Vaan could have been an actual character with a bitchin' sky pirate shirt.
Thanks, Squeenix.

>>384363812
Vaan and pehole never have sex. Vaan is canon virgin. That's why you like him so much lol

>>384363894
the shirt doesn't hide his godawful bootarmor, so still shit

>>384363894
Yeah Dissida made me realise as much as well.

What job goes will with Black Mage for Penelo? I don't know if I give her Red Mage for Ardour or Monk for HP/Holy or even White Mage for Holy and White Magicks in general.

>>384363917
>Vaan and pehole never have sex that I've seen on-screen

ftfy

And yes, I do resonate more with characters that are virgins, but I'mnot saying Vaan is a virgin, because he's not. Because he had steamy hot sewer sex with Penelo and maybe even Fran.

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So is Zodiac Age only the IZJS, or can you opt to forego the Job System and revert to the original (NA) license board upon starting a new game?

>>384364310
>my fantasies count as canon
Vaan got cucked you know lol

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Vaan: Shikari/Monk
Ashe: Time mage/ White mage
Penelo: Shikari/Breaker
Basch: Archer/Knight
Balthier: Uhlan/Red mage
Fran: Black mage/Machinist

>oh cool I liked ff12 back in the day
>$49.99
Are you fucking kidding me?

>>384364227
I feel like those are the only real options, and while RM/BM is OK, it feels redundant just to boost Ardor. RM/Archer + BM/Monk is a better setup all around, but obviously requires you locking 4 of your classes down out of the gate.

>>384364656
then just play your old copy

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rate

>>384364656

I remember being poor.

>>384364310
The only thing Vaan was fuckin' was Kytes, and maybe Larsa.

>>384364512

Cannot go back to old license board.

Quick question, I keep hearing that when you get trophies they appear on your airship, did they cut this out or was I lied to? Can you actually hang out on your airship?

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>>384354703
Play the fucking game, idiot

>>384364752

Time mage/Machinist and Monk/White mage seems kinda redundant.

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>>384364614
>Basch: Archer
>Balthier: Dragoon/Red Mage
>Fran: Machinist

>>384364752
Machinist/timemage and bushi/black mage and monk/white mage feel kinda redundant. But it's fine, you can 100%the game with anything at all.

>>384364515
shut up

>>384364310
>fran canonically fucks balthier
>penelo gets wet at a mere thought of Balthier hanky
Yeah, he got cucked by the leading man

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>Its another vaan hate meme
lol, its like watching chimps play with their own feces

>>384364776
>larsa
Lucky bastard. No wonder everyone hates him.

>>384364776
the only ones fucking larsa were penelo and basch

>>384361934
>Original director and writer telling interviewer how the game was meant to be before demographics and mergers
>>rumor
Heard a rumor that your underaged and uninformed.

>>384364914
>>384364987
Time Mage because I prefer crossbows but also light armor and I wanted Balthier to handle time magic
Monk for Panelo because desu, i don't want her to be anything other than a white mage and monk will make her less fragile

I'M CAPTAIN BASCH
DON'T LISTEN TO ONDORE'S LIES

>>384364874
It was just a 2d screen with fixed sprites, you couldn't move or anything. It was basically an achievement screen before achievements were a thing. Still, they could have kept it for flavor I guess.

>>384361852
>Balthier and Basch on the bench
If I could go lower than 0/10 I would.

>>384365056
I wonder what kind of person you have to be to sit and watch monkeys fling shit at eachother.
Speaking of War For The Planet of the Apes, are the first two (reboots) worth a watch?

>>384354703

He's basically there to humanize Ashe

>>384364927

Basch is the best archer in the game.
Balthier and Fran were the throwaway jobs, but Uhlan/Red mage has white robes+holy lance. Machinist+black mage has black robes+dark shot.

>>384365361
normis say it's one of the best trilogies of all time, so no

>>384365361
They are ok. Its basically a movie about "what if niggers were smart?".

>>384365361
The first one is the definition of "eh". The second one was the best movie of 2014, give them a watch.

>>384365361
if you like movies about Black Lives Matter then sure

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>>384354085
>shipping
Fuck me for not buying locally or giving into the jews with fast shipping.

>>384354085
Real talk, are White Mage and Machinist basically the useless classes. Machinist only has a real niche in weak mode runs while White Mage has it's job done better by any class with lots of item lores while knight and monk get most of their good abilities. The only reason you should pick them is for having an even spread for your jobs.

Why do the models for XII look similar to Xenoblade Chronicles?

>>384355708
that's
because
THEY
TOOK
HIS
DEVELOPMENT
OUT
OF
THE
FUCKING
GAME
YOU
FUCKING
IDIOT

THEY PUT THAT UGLY FUCKBOY IN AND STOLE ALL THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE REAL MAIN CHARACTER AND WROTE A BUNCH FOR VAAN AND DIDN'T REWRITE BASCH JUST LEFT HIM ALL FUCKING EMPTY
ASDFOJASDJF YOU'RE FUCKING RETARDED

>>384365426
Fran has the fastest pole attack so turning her into a monk/black mage is pretty effective since the best pole has a very high combo rate making the attack speed more important.

>>384361852

>Not leveling 2 parties seperately

I mean, grinding is literally easy and fast now

>>384365668
>being this autistic

tfw no ps4
reee i loved this game

>>384365364
That could've happened with Basch, which would've furthered their implied relationship.
Vaan is no more to Ashe what Link is to Zelda in BotW; An empty vessel to monologue to, instead of having an actual character to have a dialogue with. I mean fuck, just have Ashe talk to herself.
Also that was quite literally one scene. Vaan's existence, his lack of motivation after the first act, his inability, and failure to be given anything to do in the game besides being posted on marketing materials is justified by one scene that is no different whether he was there or not.

Square Enix is the original cancer. Before Bobby, there was SE.

>>384365623
great games look alike

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Imagine being such an autist that you must come online and make your it life's mission to go into deep philisophical detail about how Vaan isnt the kind of character you like.

>>384364876
>his only role in the story is to tell Ashe "Hey I saw the stupid occuria ghost too"

great writing

HATE VAAN

Where do i go after Getting the Sword of Kings and defeated the Judge at Mt Bur-Omiscace?
It says i need to head north of Nalbina but i have no idea where that is.

VAAN KILLED MY MOTHER
AND RAPED MY FATHER
AND GAVE ME CANCER
REEEEEEEEEEEE VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>384354703
He would have made a better early antagonist if Basch was the main character and he became like those bangaa bounty hunters where you have to fight him every now and again because he wants revenge. Hell they could have made him a party member afterwords and it would have been a lot better than how it is now.

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>>384366157
>Imagine going on video game forums to discuss video games

>>384366273
Go back to the temple and fight Zeromus for a sweet esper.

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>>384366368
imagine going to THIS particular videogame forum to discuss videogames

How do you make money in this game?

I see all this cool shit in shops and I can only afford like one thing

>>384366291
>Vaan could've become an amateur sky pirate after the opening act, and conflicted with the party as a freelancer working for the Empire, eventually becoming an antihero

>>384366497
Chain farm some enemies. Farm the first level of Trial Mode for the Diamond Armlet to sell.

>>384366273

Nabina is on east or westersand, I can't remember. You gotta rent a chocobo there so the guard will free the path to Mosphoran Highwaste. From there, you go to Salikawood. You can kill the Bomb King if you want to go to Nabudis, but there's no Zodiac Spear there to make it worth it.

>>384366389
There is another esper in the temple?
I already got one from there.

>>384366497
Kill shit and sell their loot. This is were FFXII differs from its "MMO counterparts".

>>384366497
kill shit and sell the shit they drop. 99% of your money comes from loot.

I don't recall there ever being a reason to "hold" onto anything because you need to sell shit to get shit from the bazaar

>>384366819
>>384366753
>>384366608

Are the items in the loot category of your inventory worth keeping, like elemental stones and shit?

>>384366497
have you tried killing and selling shit?

>>384365514
White mage is pretty useful. Anyway, it's fine to have niches and it's not like it's a very difficult game where you have to minmax anyway.

Lamont confirmed for best shota?

>>384366157
When I saw Vaan for the first time in some gaming magazine article, I thought, "Hey, he looks fucking cool". And I still think that way, no autist can change my first impression.

>>384366915
that's for you to find out bitch nigga, also dont ignore the Bazaar

>>384365701

Why Monk/Black mage? Magick lores out of the ass to help healing? It seems nice, but that would leave me with Bushi/Machinist+Uhlan/Red mage or Bushi/Red mage+Uhlan/Machinist. Balthier were a machinist on my last run already, and Bushi/Machinist looks like crap.

>>384366273
You can travel to Nalbina through the aerodrome. Or you could've just googled that, like I did.

>>384366973
Nobody is talking about he looks, or at least not as the primary issue. Could use a loose fitting shirt, anyway. Deserts are hot as fuck and the sun would have burned those plastic abs right off.

>>384366915
>>384366819

General rule is, sell anything you have more than 5 of since those obviously came from drops you got easily. Some things from quest rewards are more rare or rare drops are better held onto. Bazaar loot works in a single transaction basis. So for instance if Item 1: requires 10 of X item and 5 of Y item but item 2 requires only 10 of X item, if you sell the 10 X items, you will unlock item 2 HOWEVER since the transaction is done, the counter for item X is down to 0 again so you will have to sell an additiona 10 of X and 5 of Y to unlock item 1. So for rarer mats, sell them when you know you meet the conditions for multiple items that require them so you aren't forced to farm more than you need.

>>384366915
Nope, all the loot items which are not usable in combat are there just to be sold. Also unless they changed the item drop mechanics from the original, you get more loot by chaining the same type of enemy. This means killing the same type of enemy like skeletons repeatedly without killing anything else in between or entering a no-combat zone. A good place to farm gold early on is the mine in that floating city. You can chain a lot of skeletons there which drop bone fragments you can sell for gil.

Should I make my red mage Pepelo have the side job of Time Mage or Archer? I want to do time mage so she can cover most spell range as a backup support mage, but most people I see here keep matching Red Mage with Archer, why? If the flame bow that big of a deal to boost Ardor?'s damage? She already gets oil from her green magick.

All other jobs are taken on my list. Except Uhlan but Im not making her that.

>>384365668
This is a stupid as versus fags. All that was said in an interview was that fans didn't like the main character of Vagrant Story much so they designed Vaan with that in mind.

>>384366731

Yup. Talk to some Nu-mous where you fought the judge, and he will give you a Stone of the Condemner. Active a teleport on the Stilshirine of Miriam and you'll be asked to use the stone the nu-mou gave you, and you'll be teleported to Zeromus.
The fight is hard though. You can't use magic, I think, and his element is gravity, so he will always hit you for fixed percentages of your health.

>>384367283
Penelo*, dammit

>>384365841
Wait a year or so and it'll come to pc.

>>384367102
Monk gets access to high level White Magic and addresses most problems you could have as a black mage though namely HP. Buschi/Red Mage is actually pretty decent due to Masamune I being a 1 handed sword which lets you use shields provided by Red Mage and makes use of the high magic you would have had with the classes for magic.

>>384367235
...what?

>>384367552
Basically only sell common drops until endgame where you can take advantage of the system to get more out of your rare items

What's the most effective gambit setup for expose, shear, etc? If I set it for only high defense enemies, they end up spamming it and never attacking.

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>>384355498
>likes Ashe
>hates Basch
Shit taste

>>384366915
Don't sell teleport stones and look up the ingredients for the Tournesol and don't sell those until you have everything.

Every job I picked made me feel like I just made the worst possible decision. I just got the second job boards and picked more jobs, and I feel even worse.
I fucking love the customization in this game, I can't stop thinking about what would've been a better setup.

DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE'S LIES

>>384367552

Basically for rarer mats like High Arcana or whatever that go into multiple bazaar items. If you satisfy the requirements for one of those items by selling all your High Arcana but DON'T sell other items in that same transaction that would unlock the other items, that High Arcana count drops down to 0 as soon as the transaction ends. So now you have to farm more of them to unlock another item, get it?

>>384367803
What did you choose?

>>384367787
You can sell them whenever you like but that makes it harder to keep track of which ingredients you've sold already and which ones you still need.

>>384367296
That's the point. Of course faggots who love FFX aren't going to like Vagrant Story. Matsuno's history would've never seen him making the type of Tales-tier bitch shit in FFX, but they put him on mainline FF anyway. Then they asked stupid nips their opinion and they wanted X-2, or rather X-3.

That withstanding, it doesn't change that Vaan is poorly written and has no purpose in the story. If you're going to fuck over a project mid-development, can you not even fuck it over with decent content? Tidus and most of FFX is not to my taste, but at least he's an actual character and fits in his fucking game. Vaan is the definition of a posterboy. He's no different than the fuckbois and titmonsters SE and every animu freemium game use to sell their currency bullshit.

>>384367860
there's some really unique quests in this game

>>384367708
Make a gambit for them, then turn them off until you fight something that is hard.

>>384367283
Oil and flame boost from weapon stack. It's the biggest number you can get in the game, you can lower magic defense with foebreaker to make it go even higher and if you do all this on a target made weak to fire with Achilles..well it's the most powerful single move you can do.

>>384367881
Vaan: hunter/bushi
Penelo: time mage/white mage
Balthier: white mage/uhlan
Fran: machinist/red mage
Basch: Foebreaker/archer
Ashe: black mage/monk

>>384367887
Yeah but I remember some of the ingredients being used for other stuff too so you could end up wasting then on other recipes.

>>384367956

Vaan and Basch both felt unfinished. You could tell they were going somewhere with both of them but Vaan never got further than being a moral crutch for Ashe and Basch never got further than a foil for his Gabranth. It should have taken Vaan longer to trust and forgive Basch. It should have taken him longer to let go of his hatred for the empire and it should have taken more scenes for him to convince Ashe against her course of action.

>>384368132
Is it weird that I chose jobs based on how much it fit the character?

>>384368264
No, I felt compelled to do the same until my autism caused me to think more about what I needed and trying as many classes as possible.

>>384367525

That's nice, but Bushi has access to the Genji Shield already. But yeah, it's miles better than Bushi/Machinist.

People like to bitch about Vaan "ruining" parts of the plot, but Vaan doesn't really do much post-Jahara because he's given up his hate thus the Occuria can no longer use him for their ends. The whole plot is driven by the Occuria manipulating events so once they discard him as a puppet (which is when he's no longer able to see Reks' ghost because they're no longer projecting it to him), he mainly serves the purpose of just commenting on the situation because Ashe is still being manipulated. The only thing he really does in the game after that is at the very very end where at the top of the Pharos he gives a speech on how hating the empire solves nothing because Ashe is considering committing genocide because she can't let go of her hate.

As much as people say Basch is so cool, the reality is he's even more passive in the plot than Vaan. He just follows whatever Ashe wants to do because he refuses to fail his charge a second time. Balthier is too hung up in his past with his father. Penelo literally just exists to be Vaan's girlfriend. Fran stops being important by Mt Bur-Omisace. Really the only character that is a driving force the entire game and thus actually functions as a proper protagonist is Ashe, and even then she's being manipulated for 90% of it. Which is a theme of the game, that until we act for ourselves, we are nothing but puppets controlled by higher forces.

>>384368264

No, I did the same as much as I could while using all the classes. There is a pretty good lore fitting combination that gets you a lot of mileage and powerful combinations.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qM7wr8k2H_b9OAToAgPsPip8QAjB2ET6z22jHDy4wCs/edit#gid=192404185

Lore friendly tab gives you good idea of what you can get with quickenings/espers

>>384365026
Balthier never fucks Fran. Hes too busy thinking about da princess poosy.

Can someone tell me how badly I fucked up? I think i did really well with my job combos considering nothing has been challenging so far and im about 20 hours in, the only character thats absolutely worthless is Ashe. I made her Black mage/Time mage and she fucking sucks. She has like 900hp when everyone else has about 2.5-3k. I rarely use her and when i do its usually as a haste machine, her damage is piss. Is there any hope for her?

>>384368482

Didn't care about Vaan until I saw him standing up alongside Reddas at Pharos, and remembered how he started the game killing rats in the sewrs.

>>384368103
Damn, now I don't know if I want to save Red Mage for Fran who was going to be my main offensive B. Mage.

Staff of the magi has potency in Holy, Wind, and Ice so I was going to give her holy from monk. But I also love Ardor's animation, but that holy coverage...

Yesterday I saw a little grid with what each esper unlocked for each class but ended up not saving it, does anyone have it please?

>>384368727
>tfw i made ashe too useful

Whitemage/bushi is good

WHERE IS DIAMOND AMULET

WHERE IS THE REVERSE ACCESSORY

WHERE IS HASTEGA/SHELLGA

WHERE IS BAKAMY MERCHANT

WHERE IS THE OP WEAPONS?

REEE

>>384355152
It is. Anon just has bad situational awareness.

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Why bother with Time Mage when Machinist has all the Time Mage spells you will need?

Vanishga and Warp
Reflectga and Slowga
Graviga and Hastega

>>384369075
Dude the FF wiki is one of the most comprehensive wikis out there, just look it up

>>384369075
>WHERE IS DIAMOND AMULET
A few different places. Just load up Trial mode and take it from the chest in the very first level.

>WHERE IS THE OP WEAPONS?
You can steal the Karkata from the Flowering Cactoid in stage 3 of Trial mode.

>>384368727
Ashe should hit pretty hard with black magics if you give her decent equipment, spell and gambits. Give her gambits targeting weaknesses like Foe: weak to fire -> Fire/fira/firaga (whichever you have). Remember serenity boosts your spell damage by 50% on top of that if you have full hp. A flame staff, for example, will boost Fire spells another 50%. So equip a flame staff, set gambits to target weaknesses and as a last priority gambit set her to cast your strongest fire if no weakness applies as it will at least always get the 50% from the flame staff.

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>everyone wants Basch to be the MC
>when literally the entire game is Ashe's story

>>384369347
They fell for Ondore's lies

>>384369347
why does ashe get no love

>>384368727
I think you kinda fucked up. I've read that the ONLY good 2 mage combo is BLM/RDM.

My Ashe is RDM/Archer so she can still deal good damage when not casting spells. Red Mage is fucking amazing, by the way. You have such variety in the spells you can cast. It's not like average blm + average whm at all; It's like strong nukes and strong healing.

Time mage is like support shit so it doesn't make sense to combine it with an offensive mage. I'm sure you'll still be able to do everything just not as quickly as people with better combinations.

>>384369130
The only time magic worth a shit is hastega, and Machinist gets it way too late. To the point where you may as well have just farmed motes way earlier. Also time mage is the only way you're going to be able to get berserk on someone using a genji glove, so time mage at least has a single unique use.

>>384369347
It's the same reason people would want Auron to be the MC of X even though much like Basch, he's just there to protect his friend's (King's) daughter. Because he's the cool older guy, that's literally all there is to it.

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>>384355374

>>384368775
XII is pretty much the only ff that does the regular guy mc properly. In every other you are an elite dark night/chosen one/ex-soldier/planet reaper/uberwhatever suited in full heavy plot armor.

>>384369618
isn't there an item that also gives you Berserk?

>>384369659
he just wants to be a fucking sky-pirate

>>384369697
Yeah, but it's an accessory which competes for genji glove's spot.

>>384369618
Man, now I have to rethink of my Balthier White Mage/Machinist. Maybe I should go full support with him because that's the role he was going to play anyways.
But I like his guns too...

>>384369618
>Machinist gets it way too late
Gets it at the same time Time mage does, which is when you manage to go balls deep into the crystal.

>>384369813
I Bacchu's Wine

>>384369636

People like to bring up Star Wars but the reality is they're much closer to the primary viewpoint characters from Star Wars' primary influence, the Kurosawa film The Hidden Fortress. Vaan is Tahei and Penelo is Matashichi, the two peasants who are the audience surrogate accompanying General Rokurota Makabe and comment on the strangeness of the ways of nobility. They don't care about the princess' need to restore her kingdom, they don't even care that much about the cache of gold (nethicite). Makabe is just dragging them into this adventure.

>>384369819
WHM/MCH is super good. Gets to stay far away and heal while dealing decent damage.

>>384354085
I don't know if I'll ever be able to go back to a jRPG where I can't play in 4x speed, fellas. I'm too addicted to the speed...

>>384369819
I always make his primary job knight both for lore reasons and because he has super fast animations with a sword

>>384369813
Bachus Wine silly. Much easier to get than hastega motes

>>384356078
If they did a Vita release it would've been a straight downgrade from the PS2 version though, wouldn't it?

>>384369819

White Mage/Machinist is probably the best pairing for a pure support. You could also make him a Knight/Time Mage if you want him to be more aggressive while still being able to support.

>>384370093
>making Balthier knight for lore reasons

Knights carry guns and fly spaceships, right?

>>384370269

Anon are you being purposely stupid or do you not remember his backstory?

>>384370019
Yeah the best part is his fixed damage that doesn't rely on any stat
But then there's the full utility of Berserk and other Time magick I can unlock earlier and be at my disposal, especially with Break.
Machinist also gets oil which I can inflict so my black mage fire spells do more damage.

I love how this game is making me take so many things into consideration, and I havent even started Zodiac Age. I just played the vanilla version years ago.

>>384370130
Oh shit, I'm used to the original where I'd use it like 5x in a row before getting berserk off. Didn't know they'd changed it to 100%.

>>384364861
liscence board was kinda cool. I don't get why people didn't like it simply because it was different

>>384370093
I guess I'll worry about full battle animation job optimization autism for my hard mode massacre run if I ever get the willpower to do it after I beat the main game on normal mode.

I know balthier doesn't have the fast gun animation, but for the normal story I don't think it will matter.

>>384370269
He was Judge Ffamran

>>384370321

He was a judge, but that does not make him a knight. Judges cast a lot of magic as well. They're more some mystic knight combination. A red battle mage fights judges more than knight.

>>384370576

But they all wield swords

Do we get shit on our license boards that make us get more LP?

>FFXII was the last good Star Wars game

>>384370653
Golden Amulet

>>384370653
There's an item that doubles the LP you get from battles. I stumbled across it in a chest in the sandsea near raithwall and it has been a godsend. It's a shame that I only have one but at least it means Vaan will be really strong.

>>384370368
I haven't really been using them so I'm not sure if it's 100% but in the original it was 50%, not that bad.

>>384354085
where is the download torrent ? cant find it anywhere

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Just unlocked the second class.

I decided to not look up the best classes and just wing it. How's this team?

Vaan: Shikari/ Uhlan
Balthier: Machinist/ Monk
Fran: Archer/ Time Battlemage
Penelo: Whitemage/ Blackmage
Ashe: Red Battlemage/ Foebreaker
Basch: Knight/ Bushi

Also I unlocked ninja weapons for Vaan, but where the fuck do I buy them?

>tfw i lost interest after raithwall

Its just boring guys

>>384370239

WHM/Machinits or WHM/Machinist? This is important.

So its clear that hating Vaan is Reddit/Neogaf behavior.
How did this opinion become so widespread?

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>ask a harmless question
>everyone gets pissed off at you
who was in the wrong here?

>>384370828
I remember getting the same item for sale at the village of the Viera's. It was either that place or near the area.

>>384370934
Well Basch is arguably the strongest physical combo but the rest are a bit strange. Should have consulted that thread on gamefaqs.

>>384371039
It's just one of those things you don't ask women.

>>384370575
Balthier is 22, has already been a Judge of the Empire, has an airship and a hot rare gf. Is he the most successful ff character ever? He got it all due to nepotism, all his father's doing.

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>>384370934
>Machinist/ Monk

>>384370653
There's an accessorize that doubles lp you get on the character that has it equipped, even if they are benched. But really, you will fill your boards even without it just by playing the game naturally.

>>384371008

I fucked up. Meant WHM/Machinist or WHM/Time Mage.

>>384371039
Vaan for being a lame character. His brother should have taken his spot.

>>384370934
Most are not optimal except for Basch who is probably the best person for those classes which happen to be one of the strongest combinations. Holy Robes + Excalibur and Masamune I + Shield + Genji Gloves make him an absolute powerhouse.

>>384370621

They use goofy double saber weapons that separate into dual wielded swords. Probably some unique style of fighting taught to upper class elites in Archadia, you see the same fighting style employed by both Larsa and Reddas.

>>384370973
I'll agree the story is boring but the gameplay is addictive as fuck for anyone who loves JRPGs.

>>384371205
WHM/MCH for a healer that can deal damage

WHM/Time for 100% support

>>384370934

My combination is

Vaan: Bushi/Monk
Balthier: Knight/Machinist
Fran: Foebreaker/Time Battlemage
Penelo: Blackmage/Shikari
Ashe: Whitemage/Red Battlemage
Basch: Archer/Uhlan

Not the most optimal setup but let's face it, if I want to be as strong as possible I should save that for Strong Mode where the levels are out of the way.

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>>384371146
Yeah I admit that was weird.

I just wanted to use all 12 of the jobs and monk was one of the last pics

>>384371298
Actually Larsa's second weapon is a gun, just a really wierd one.

>>384371008
WHM/Machinist offers more perks. Time Mage is better off paired with one of the melee classes that have magic like monk, knight, or buschi

>>384371038
There are a lot of retards who just follow the popular opinion on these sites, they probably wouldn't notice shit on their own.

>omg vaan is so useless XD
>lol lightining have a personality of a cardboard box
>stella :O

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>>384371298
The bestiary entry is: "A special order of knights under the Imperial Archadian Ministry of Law". They don't have to wield swords but they are effectively knights. Early concept art Gabranth wielded a spear.

>>384369347
It's because when XII originally came out literally everyone dropped the game after Bhujerba. It's why nobody knows who the main character of XII is and it's also why people perpetuate the Star Wars meme.

What's the canon class for all the characters in the game so I can just go play and not think about a build for 5 hours?

>>384371382

I believe it is literally called the Swordbreaker ingame which is traditionally an parrying dagger type weapon. His name fencing weapon is the Joyeuse.

>>384371348
Optimal is a subjective term as certain combinations are optimal for certain things. Bushi/Shikari for Vaan is THE Yiazmat killer, but for everything else it's just "pretty good".

>>384371629
It makes a gun firing noise occasionally though.

>>384371618

Check the google doc here >>384368490

Lore tab based on artwork of characters and personality and uses all classes to the best effect without going autismo minmax.

>>384371618
You can pick two jobs for each character so canon class doesn't really make sense unless you gimp yourself and only pick one job to be at 50% strength.

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Okay so I want this as my party. Do I make Fran a

Machinist/Foebreaker
Archer/Red Battlemage
or
White Mage/Machinist

>>384371230
>he should have taken his brother's spot
Ftfy

It's balthier's game ayways so what even...

>>384371920
>It's balthier's game
>I didn't play FFXII

>>384371704

He never actually attacks with it, he has 0 attack and only used as a shield replacement and has evasion stats on it.

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>>384371205
Read the current discussion on the same matter, they are both great support.

White Mage plus Machinist is great because it gets fixed DPS damage from Guns, and exploits you can do with white mage's Achilles ability paired with your elemental bullets. You keep your distance with fixed damage and it's a great class that will make you bulkier with double the HP lores that Time Mage has.
It Also gets the essential Time Magic like Hastega, Slowga, Reflectga, Gravija. Only think that sucks is that Hastega will take forever to get because you need to use the Esper Famfrit on the Machinist license board which is late game.

WhiteMage plus Time Mage is full supportive, you will most likely get the Time Mage spells earlier, and you can cast berserk on your physical damaging characters. It also has a handful of ailment spells that can do well for specific enemies, like Break and the Red Chocobo for Ribbon farming, ect. It also has a decent amount of HP lore, but much less than if you would pair it up with Machinist. Float is also pretty good for pesky trap floors.

>>384371618
Based on the original gambit menu with the character silhouettes, which are holding weapons:
Vaan - Hunter (dagger)
Balthier - Machinist (gun)
Fran - Archer (bow)
Ashe - Knight (sword + shield
Basch - Knight? (sword, no shield)
Penelo - none (isn't holding a weapon)

>>384371865
My main 3

Vaan Bushi/Knight
Ashe RDM/Archer
Fran WHM/Machinist

and I'm breezing through the game so that speaks for itself.

t. first time player who looked at a few guides

>>384371338
>>384371438

I just want protega, shellga and hastega on a single character.
Changing my setup based on the thread.

Vaan: Bushi/Red mage
Fran: BLM/Monk
Ashe: WHM/Machinist
Balthier: Uhlan/Time mage
Penelo: Shikari/Breaker
Basch: Knight/Archer

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>>384371865
>That microbutt

Don't listen to Ondore's lies!

>>384372220
If you switch Red Mage with Knight you basically have the minmaxed set for having all 12 classes.

>got to the exact point where Exodus is now available
>wiki says you can beat him through a battle of attrition if fought this early
>I beat him relatively easy

I'm assuming the wiki works on the idea that you're not doing literally all side content before proceeding the the story

>>384372514

But then I would have to change characters, because Basch using magic is meh.

I feel sick coming to these threads. They're just filled with shitters min maxing out the ass and picking dual classes.
What's the appeal in being overpowered as shit? Have any of you even game over'd yet?

Seriously, I can just picture it now, you fags running around with 4x speed on, taking 35 damage from monsters in the area you're currently in while your party members have 2k health each and 1 shotting all of the enemies.

I don't know why you'd kill the fun for yourself by going that route.

>>384372747
>What's the appeal in being overpowered as shit?

You try fighting a boss with 50 million health otherwise.

>>384372747
Clearly you never played the PS2 version. This is like infant compared to that.

>>384372747

The game is easy unless you intentionally gimp yourself anyway, so might as well find different ways to nuke everything.

>>384372623

Some of the side shit done early as possible is fucking hard. Adramalech took me hours to kill after Jahara.

This game is the Dark Souls of jrpgs

>>384372705
Red Mage's magic lores and the magic/MP bonuses of mystic armor give Basch all the boost he needs to max out on magic and have like 800 MP.

>>384372747
The game is already going to be piss easy considering my team of monk/bushi/red mage flew past the international version easily. Minmaxing is just for fun because it will be my third playthrough.

>>384372623
I swear this happens in every game with sidequests. Playing XV right now and the game is a cakewalk because I'm going full autismo with the sidequests and EXP bonuses.

>Diamond Amulet

Is it that important?

Designs are cool as shit in this game. Kinda have a horror tinge to it.

>>384372835
I did play the PS2 version. Numerous times.

>>384372846
Doing optional content as soon as it becomes available isn't easy unless you've leveled up out the ass. There are plenty of opportunities for tense fights.

No PC release, no buy.

>>384373030
Only on some chests/low level runs. Just look up important chests and make a note to equip it for them and you will be fine.

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>>384373080
oops forgot pic

>>384373030
Only for getting certain items from chests

>>384372747
I enjoy doing suicide runs into areas that are way overleveled for me and coming out with top tier equipment that make all the story parts piss easy.

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>>384373189
>mfw Farming Deathbringers 10 years ago

People say that everything was changed from Matsuno's vision bu the game still follows the plot he does in EVERY game where

>lots of political intrigue
>except IT WAS ALL DEMONS THE WHOLE TIME

>>384372846
>The game is easy unless you intentionally gimp yourself
It wouldn't be so easy if you weren't constantly absorbing information about the game from the internet and didn't grind the fuck out of every area.

>>384373380

I've had 11 years to master this game, anon. This isn't a new game.

If your party's average level is over 50 you're overleveled for everything except maybe Yiazmat and Omega.

>>384373626
Levels are far less significant in this game than gear.

>>384373908
A level 1 Vaan has 80 health and hits the weakest enemies for 30 damage with the basic dagger. A level 90 Vaan has 4k health and deals 450 damage (15x) with that same dagger. Levels aren't trivial.

You guys ran into any tough fights yet?
I found the fat green esper but holy shit that effect that makes your health drop fast as fuck kept ruining me.
Not sure what level I should be for him but I had to leave it for now.

>>384375809
The enemies he spawns are around lvl 40, that's generally a pretty good indicator as to what level you should be but it can be done earlier if you want the challenge.

>>384372984
That's how I felt about FF6. Loved the game, did all the side-quests. But Kefka was a fucking joke, piss easy final boss.
I had more fun fighting Gilgamesh.
The tower where I could only use magic was also a fun experience.

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>>384375809
>You guys ran into any tough fights yet?

So, is having two characters with berserk while one keeps healing, buffing and casting decoy/reverse, the optimal way to play?

>>384376096
Don't know about optimal, but sure is fucking hilarious when you have a character with haste/berserk and a greatsword. Something about it that's just so satisfying.

>>384376096
Getting 3 zeitengrats and plowing the game is the actual optimal method.

did they buffed the espers?

both exdous and zemrous are ripping new assholes

>>384376498
As summons or bosses?

I hope they got buffed. They were useless in vanilla other than for opening a door lol

>>384376498
Buff as in buff the fights you have against them or buff how powerful they are when you actually summon them?

>>384376498

The only buff I wanted was the esper acting as a fourth member.

>>384376582
They got buffed over Vanilla for sure. I don't know if they're stronger in the remaster than the IZJS versions though, but they're definitely worth while to summon.
Before you ask though, no they still aren't going to perform better than an optimal 3 party setup.

>>384376585

>>384376582
as summons

zem has +17k health without bubble, he single handled managed to kill carrot and roblon

exdous costantly deals +13k damage via comet

>>384376498
Their power is based on your level, so you must've grinded or are using them in an early area with weak monsters.

>>384355203
Jap girls like girlish dudes.

>>384376321
>obtaining a zeitengrat
https://youtu.be/BkWthM8pf-M?t=266

>>384376863
i am at 50
see >>384376815

>>384375232

Are you taking into consideration the nodes? Because LP isn't based on levels at all.

I just reached Archades. How far am I into the game? I don't want it to be over.

>>384376973
Half way if you intend to do all the optional content.

>>384376973
You have about two big dungeons before the finale after finishing up Archades.

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>preorder the game
>7 days after release
>game still hasn't arrived

>>384377237
That sounds like a nightmare. I hate waiting for games. Especially when people are playing/discussing the game on /v/. At least you can plan out your team and stuff. Which 3 characters do you plan on using and what jobs?

>>384377465
I have never played the game so want to go in blind.

>>384377568
Oh... well keep in mind that the game isn't as easy as people say so it might be wise to think about that stuff. Job selection is important because it can't be changed.

>>384376952
A level 1 Vaan with the theoretical maximum of HP+ and battle lore licences only has ~3100 HP and half the strenght compared to a level 90 Vaan without any licences. A level 99 character with maxed out licence boards is comically stronger than a level 1 character with maxed out licence boards, give them the same gear and the difference in performance is enormous.

I'm a first time player and running around the city saying I'm basch but it's only going up by like 2% a time and keeps going down. Help!

>>384378328
Do it in front of the tour guides who stand near zone entrances.

>>384378328

go inside shops and the bar.

>>384378328

You have to say it for the scholars.

>>384373626
>doing Yiazmat at level 50

How about no

>No pc release yet

REEEEEEE

>>384377787
I only know the FFXIV jobs, so I'll probably pick something that I've already seen there.

>>384378448
>>384378460
>>384378617
Thanks bros. Worked a charm. Hoping this is just a low point of the game..

>>384378845
There is one minigame later that's worse than this one.

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>>384361852
Holy Fuck, dat levels.

>>384371865
t. Ulturos

>>384378935
Eep. What is it?

>>384378935
The racing one? I don't remember it being that bad. How is it using the speed up option?

>>384379087

Archades, I suppose. You have to do some boring shit of talking with the two correct people.

Anyone got one of those grids with what each summon unlocks for each class?

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>>384371961

Vaan Monk/knight
Pretty good healer after you use some espers and allows you to use both light and heavy armors and genji gloves for poles
Balthier Hunter/Breaker
Heavy and light armor, all breaks and genji gloves for ninja blades
Basch Uhlan/Bushi
Heavy and mystic armor, leftover classes but it works pretty well
Fran Black/Time mage
Dps caster with time magic for support
Ashe White/Machinist
Healer with guns so he has something to do inbetween heals and she also gets access to light armor
Penelo red/archer
Dps caster with access to light armor and burning bow for a fire damage boost

All classes used and everyone gets swiftness 3.
I`ve seen better class combos but IMO this is the best way to get strong combos for all 6 party members

>>384354947
>>384354947
Is there anything fujos won't ruin?

>>384363147
Does this game really only run at 1080p upscaled to 2160p on a PS4 Pro?

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>>384369952
Tomba reference?

>not making Ashe a cute BushiKnight

It's like you don't want her to protect your smile

>>384356528
I find my attackers generally hit before the first steal lands, canceling the steal. I use >=70% or >=50%.

>>384362013
we live on the worst parallel universe

I'm playing the original international version, who thought it was a good idea to limit characters like this? The addition of a second job in the new one fixes everything, at least.

>>384358423
>if you're just stealing for loot you should just have 2 characters with Foe HP 100% = Steal and one with Foe HP 100% = Attack
I can only get this to work well when theres a group of 3-4 or more enemies. And most shit dies before taking 2 steps to group up

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>story is boring AF
>bland characters, the only thing going for them is the muh waifu shit
>literally 5 enemies with different color palettes in the entire game
>gambits are just a bunch of if-then making the game basically play itself
>bosses are just blobs inside obvious gigantic circular rooms you can see from your radar from the moment you enter the dungeon

This is honestly almost as bad as Final Fantasy XV.

What is wrong with Square?

So we can agree that FFXII is one of the best ffs to date right?

>>384381857
>being this much of a faggot
>>384381958
It is the best FF. Maybe not story wise but gameplay and content wise it wins hands down.

>>384381958
FFXII is sort of awful and near the bottom

Zodiac Age is one of the best though, they fixed so much that was wrong with the game it's crazy.

>>384382106
>content wise

But there are literally 5 or 10 enemies in the whole game, with different color palette variations only (desert-snow-grasslands) and that's it.

The main problem is that there's no content.

>>384381524

I control my thief as MC so he enters combat range first. Even if the others get attacks off, the steal charge activates first so it still ends up going off.

>>384381689
I can understand what the devs were thinking.

>shit, everyone ends up exactly the same. we should have different jobs with different license boards
>great idea!
>oh wait we have 12 jobs and 6 characters
>zodiac age

12/6 = 2 jobs per char

People who don't use every job are going against the vision.

What should I gove Archer Basch as second job?
What are good job combination in general?

>>384382331
>using Archers at all when they're fucking useless
lol

>>384354703
Vaan's goal is to be a sky pirate, which Balthier is, why would he not stick around?

>>384382442
They're good for flying enemies and to pair with mages so they stay out of range. Same thing with machanist.

>>384382442
>Archers
>useless
>capable of dealing the highest damage in one hit
>being this wrong

lol

>>384382278

Let me see if I can start listing shit off the top of my head with different models and animations.

Wolves
Humans
Mandragora
Cactaur
Birds
Wyrms
Malboro
Coeurel
Werewolves
Horse things
Alligataors
Skeletons
Bats
Rats, rabbits, other critters
Slimes
Chocobos
Mimics
Magic Pots
Snakes
Cockatrice
Sand peoples
Elementals
Zombies
Frogs
Turtles
Ghosts
Bombs
Dinosaurs

and I can probably list more if I thought about it so no, not just 5-10 enemies.