Is it worth getting Ryzen for gaming alone? Or will buying Intel's

Don't fall for the meme, Intel is still king.

AMD CPUs might be cheaper/more powerful, but that doesn't mean jack shit, unless the game devs implement proper AMD support in their games.

Basically go for cheaper AMD CPUs only when they're 100% confirmed not to have any compatibility issues with the game you're planning to play.

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>>384340242
Don't listen to any of the pajeets on /g/. Ryzen is horribly optimized for gaming and their cores aren't even half as strong as the 7700k.

>>384340381
>AMD CPUs might be cheaper/more powerful
>more powerful
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>384340816
In the same price range.

>>384340816
higher clocks

i like my 1700x very much .

would recommend , but i don't shill .
buy whatever you want .

>>384340242
I'd say Ryzen is better at multitasking, as far as I know games work on single core performance. That being said with some of the updates there have been improvements.

The 1700, 1700x and 1800x come with a better-than-standard cooler which will allow you to squeeze out some more performance safely without having to buy an aftermarket cooler.

I bought a Ryzen 7 1700 for my mini-itx lan box and im happy with it.

>>384341065
Enjoy your 10c pajeet.

>>384342261
t. Brian JUSTnich.

>>384342261
My main machine runs on intel stop being a good goy.

>>384340628
Intel eats shit?

>>384340242
AMD is never worth it

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ryzen is even worth for this alone

a socket change a year keeps the goym in fear

>>384343264
Very nice

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I am a simple man looking for a simple answer. Do I need a GPU to boot my system? Right now I hage everything but an HDD and GPU and everything turns on a-o-kay, but there's no video output. That's normal, right? The mobo / CPU can't output video, can they?

>>384344172
Depending on your motherboard there should be an HDMI port.

I think you should be able to get into BIOS without an HDD

>>384344172
>The mobo / CPU can't output video, can they?
Nowadays, most actually can. Unless you have a really old rig.

>>384344317
I tried, no dice

>>384344324
It's a Micro ATX mobo so I assume it doesn't have too much. CPU is a ryzen 5 wince I'll be doing mixed usage

Ryzen is not for gaming, period. If gaming is second on your list of priorities to other cpu intensive tasks and programs, get it and enjoy. If all you want is gaming, get intel.

>>384340242
>Cheap.
>Cheap mobos.
>Moar cores.
>Great performance at heavily threaded applications, multi tasking, transcoding, etc.
>New.
>Software is still being optimized for it.
>Lit cooler.

Gee, I don't know anon.

>>384341065
The X Ryzens don't come with a cooler.

>>384344372
Ryzen doesn't have a GPU.

>>384340242
If you believe devs are lazy fucks then go Intel.

>>384344797
>gotta shell out 50 bucks at minimum just to see if setup outputs everything right
Shit. At least the fans and LEDs work

>>384340242
>Is it worth getting Ryzen for gaming alone?
Only when game devs are top 10/10 tier which is near non existent currently. Let's face it, humanity is doomed from the beginning.

>>384340242
>similarly priced equivalent
no such thing you faggy shill

>>384345159
Well, if it's any consolation about a third of an Intel chip goes dark as soon as you plug in any discrete GPU.

Fuck off poos

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>>384340628
>>384340816
>>384343191
>muh Ryzen IPC is trash because it gets 10 fps less

For Gaming, the 7700k is king though.

>>384340242
The only intel processors worth getting are the 7700k and the pentium g whatever it is (~$70) however ryzen 3 might be a better buy at that price range I haven't looked.

Really the only thing the 7700k has is clock speed which makes it better for single threaded things however the 1700 or 1600 will still perform more than enough.

Also if you go with ryzen AM4 will be supported with new cpus until AMD's next big arch change while intel changes socket almost every year.

>>384340242
Outside the 7700k and maybe 7600k, ryzyen chips in all other price categories are better performance.

If you're at 300$ budget for CPU alone, yeah, go Intel.

250$ or less, Ryzen. Case to be made at the absolutely bottom end with Intel's Pentium-g, but honestly wouldn't recommend it outside of a crazy tight budget, or if by "gaming" you mean emulation.

What should I get if I only play rocket league, cs go and dota 2?

>>384348725
Get an Intel i3

>>384348897
Thanks, what gpu would you recommend?

>>384347616
Intel has been throtling the avaibility of the Pentium so that people would be forced to buy i3s, it's now getting close to the 85/90$ range.

>>384348938
None, the prices are too high due to miners.

>>384340242
ryzen 1600x in (well-written) vidya is somewhere around 6600k. however, 6600k can be overclocked while ryzen just stops at 100mhz increase.

if i'd search for cpu purely and exclusively for vidya, it would be intel. for anything else, i'd try ryzens.

>>384340242

No, of course you totally should buy a 4 thread 7600K for an EOL chipset for 235$, and enjoy gaming way into the future.

>buy an i5-6600 thinking it will be king for the next 5 years since consoles suck dick, even the Scorpio has a shit CPU
>ps3 emulation suddenly becomes a possibility and it could take advantage of these meme processors with their shitload of cores
Fuck me

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>>384349182
>while ryzen just stops at 100mhz increase.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA AHAHAHHAHHA HAHAHA HOLY SHIT

>>384349324

If anyone fell for the multicore meme processor, it was Sony when they designed the PS3.
Not surprising that it takes more cores to emulate it now

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Never buy AMD anything if you can get Intel/Nvidia

>>384349781
AMD CPUs are good nowadays.

Their GPUs are still inferior to Nvidia though.

>>384349781
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>>384340242
Ryzen is better at pretty much everything, intel is a stuttering housefire.

>>384349781
the bottom one looks better though. unnecessary detail rarely works in animu images, maybe except doyora

wait, doyora wasn't really too much for a detail either, he just had unique style. yep, too much detail in animu is definitely bad

>>384349324
>buy an i5
There's your problem.

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>>384340242
There is one simple question that needs to be asked in order to resolve this dillema.

Does intel have cute official -tan?

>>384340242

this entire thread is retarded.

the only answer is "do you do anything multithreaded at all? yes? ok, buy a ryzen 7 1700 and overclock it to the 1800x speeds"

the other answer is "no" in which case buy the $60 pentium G4620 or if you're a nignog who needs hyperthreading, the $150 i3-7150 or w/e it is.

You laugh, but these pentiums and i3s have the same single threaded performance and gaming performance as the i7, i5, and even slightly edge out the r7/r5 from amd. (read: almost all games other than benchmarks like ashes of the singularity or battlefield 1)

I'll admit I shill AMD for free most of the time, but I have no idea why Intel or PC gamer or whoever the fuck doesn't give more love to the 2 core pentium chips, because their single threaded performance is fucking disgustingly good.

Like, it's faster than last gen's i3s, which already mached the i5 and i7 of last gen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQnCRwFpgVs

So either get a ryzen 7 1700, or a pentium g4620. Anything else is a waste of money.

use the extra money on a better GPU, which is your real bottleneck for gaming alone.

if you're streaming or w/e you want the multicore.

>>384350091
Nope.

Intel BTFO for eternity.

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>>384349324
>i5 6600
>rpcs3
>finish game with good frames
Looks like it werks on games that matter for me.

>>384350113
>buy the $60 pentium G4620
>$60
yeah, about that...

>>384340242
Generally Ryzen is the better choice, at least for now until Intel stops being being Jewish and cuts prices.
>>384344172
It depends if you have a CPU with integrated graphics, and the output on the motherboard to use it.

>>384347336
king of bbq

>>384350347
Intel never cuts prices, they'd rather bribe everyone and fling shit than cut prices.

>>384350258
I might try out the Disgaeas, those might run fine.

>>384340628
why did he eat him?

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>>384349781

>>384348897
Don't buy an i3. Garbage processors for the price. Either get the Pentuim g4560 or spend more for a 1500X

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Yes

>>384348725
Don't get an i3.
Get a Pentium G4560.
Both have hyperthreading

>>384340242
AMD offers more cores.
Intel offers stronger cores.

Want better multitasking? AMD. Want poorly optimized programs to run quicker? Intel.

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>>384348725
Bentium G4560 :D
Or wait for Ryzen 3

>>384350501
https://www.techpowerup.com/235035/intel-pentium-g4560-cannibalizing-core-i3-sales-company-effectively-kills-it

Buy my piece of shit cpu instead of the better, cheaper one, goyim.

>reapply thermal paste
>CPU gets much hotter
End me

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>>384350938
Hitler fucked them so hard they have to recreate ovens.

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>>384349781

>>384340628
>7700k
I'd rather something I can just use out of the box without delidding to get normal temperatures.

>>384351169
SCORE WITH INTEL CORE

>>384340816
A ryzen 1800x's equivalent cpu is 10% more powerful, but is also 100% more expensive.

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>>384340323
>>384340628
>>384340816
>>384343191
>>384349781

>>384351169
oy vey delet

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>>384340242
Ryzen has gotten several patches and bug fixes; now, the 7700 it's just a little bit better in games

>>384340242
Ryzen is shit tier for gaming. Just google benchmarks and see for yourself. Ryzen falls 50% below Intels at the same price in gaming. Very low minimum FPS, lots of stutter.

>>384351765
>inb4 someone posts "proof" using that one in a million game made specifically for AMD hardware

>>384351550
i wonder if ryzen will be like 290 gpus
>buying 290, it's similar in performance to 770
>year, through software wizardy 290 is sometimes better than 780

i got 770 though, but i like the concept of making product better instead of whatever nvidia does with their drivers for non-flagship gpus

>>384351765
>Ryzen falls 50% below Intels
even the most biased benchmarks don't show that

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Question. Is the Pentium g4560 good for non gaming stuff like 3d modelling/rendering or video processing?

>>384351765
(You)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXVIPo_qbc4

>>384351765
.t Shlomo Shekelstein

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>>384351343
Ryzen 1800x is equivalent to a 4690K which is half the price.

>>384351853
Actually benchmarks do show that. >>384351968
High prices AMD Ryzens are beaten by low price Intel CPUs.

>>384351765
>lots of stutter.
That was one of the few things Ryzen did right when they launched, Intel cpus have Parkinson compared to Ryzen.

>>384351550
You have to look at the "Höchstleistung" result
Ryzen has problems with the default Windows 10 power plan
This gets fixed by a custom power plan included in recent chipset drivers, or by switching to high performance

>>384351924
Nah. For that you need cores.

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>>384351550
not really

>>384352057
Benchmarks which are factual disagree with your fanboy opinion. Ryzen hits lower lows than Intel. Which is stutter.

>>384351924
Not really
That stuff needs many cores

>>384352020
Here's some actual benchmarks with different games: >>384351938

Ryzen performance also depends on RAM speed, which is usually never mentioned in those "wow Ryzen sucks" charts. It's a quirk of architecture.

>>384352115
>$500 Ryzen
>Beat by $300 Intel
kek

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>>384352115
>Arma 3

>>384352115
ARMA is like the one game where Ryzen completely sucks because ARMA is so heavily single core bound. If you're going to play ARMA - don't get Ryzen, yeah.

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>>384352115
*gets destroyed by a FX8350 in Crysis 3*

>>384340242
wait for next gen consoles.
if you wanna play current gen games at 1080p you don't need expensive hardware.

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Don't waste money on the Ryzen meme. The marketers and fanboys are lying.

>>384340242
Bottom line, no, no matter how low the TDP is for AMD CPUs is, when trying to overclock them Intel wins on temps simply because physics, less cores = less heat and hyper threading works very well, I'd say unless you wanna get into the streaming game (on a budget) don't go ryzen.

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>>384352115
From when is this benchmark?, i hope it isn't on release. Also, Arma 3 got a ryzen patch lately

Anybody who considers Ryzen 7 for gaming is a drooling retard. Ryzen 5 1600 and 1600x are much better for playing video games.

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Literally anudda shoah

>>384352367
Do either of those ryzen 5 require after market cooling?

>>384351924
no
get a ryzen cpu

>>384352463
1600x does
1600 comes with a pretty good boxed cooler

>>384351968
oh fuck i literally have a 4690 non k at 3.9ghz

welp guess ill be keeping it for a while, wish i got better ram tho 16gb at 1666 is kinda shit

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>>384352410

>>384352532
>>384352138
>>384352112

If I get enough money, I'll get the Ryzen. If not, guess I'll get the pentium g. I hate being dirt poor.

>>384352564
>>384352564
RAM speed is also a meme. 1333, 1666, anythingm else, doesn't matter. Seriously, google RAM benchmarks. 0 difference at any speed even overclocked.

>>384352641
desu Intels were the CPUs to buy for years until Ryzen

fucking Bulldozer was a mistake

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>still using an fx8350
>60 fps on recent games
>30 fps on Fallout New Vegas
>I don't want to play recent games
>I want to play Fallout New Vegas

>>384352641
>benchmarks aren't real
t. AMD marketing shill

But you've been saying the same thing for the last 15 years of AMD being shit for gaming. It's getting old.

>>384352707
Look on the used market
FX83xx or an old i7 should also do fine and can be had pretty cheap

>>384352720
>RAM speed is also a meme.
Unless you have a Ryzen, then it suddenly matters a lot.

>>384352707
Ryzen 3 is going to be 4/4 and should be released in next few weeks. It should be better at non vidya stuff than Pentium while being only slighty more expensive than G4560.

>>384340628
If you don't mind delidding.

>>384352746
How does that happen? I have an FX-6350 and I can run New Vegas mostly fine. I do get stutter because it's so badly optimized even compared to Fallout 3.

I suggest you try doing some Bus Speed overclock.

>>384352463
Nope, the 1600 comes with a decent cooler and they use less power and run way cooler than Intel cpus because they didn't cheap out and use toothpaste

OT anyone who buys an Intel cpu right now is retarded. They are literally being replaced with 6 core parts in September, so we're basically looking at a 4.8-5ghz 6 core i5/i7 which is a straight big upgrade from the quad cores Intel has been shitting out the last 6 years. And we only get this because of ryzen, otherwise we could've had another 5 years of 2% perf increases on quad cores.
Not to mention the socket is dead.

>>384352556
I'm looking to build a little LAN box, you think if I paired the 1600 with a rx 580 i'd be okay for stuff like cs go dota 2 usual lan stuff?

I won't be doing anything over 1080p

>>384352765
>last 15 years of AMD being shit for gaming
Athlons were good though.

>>384352780
yeah i know.

Looks like ill wait till they start ramping up the clock speeds because ram is too expensive right now to bother and all i do is game anyway

My computer broke a couple of months ago and I had to buy a new one, it was just before ryzen5 serie was released, and yet I went for a 6600k on a deal because I needed my computer for school work.
It works great though if I could have waited, I'd have taken a ryzen 1600 instead.
To me it just seems more future proof, maybe 4c/4t will be short on power in a near future. Maybe I'll upgrade to an i7 later on or just switch to zen 2 or whatever is next.

>>384352849
literally only Bethesda games.

I was running TW3 while also playing FNV.

Novigrad's market ran at 40-60fps and The Strip(with gates removed) often dipped into the 20's.

>>384352859
>4.8-5ghz 6 core i5/i7
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-six-core-lineup-exposed-core-i7-8700k-and-core-i5-8600k.html

I doubt you will be able to overlock them that high. Their stock frequencies are rather lower + intel can't into moar cores without burning down your house.

>>384349324

I'm in the same boat.

>>384352873
Will pretty good
Usual LAN stuff will easily run at 4k on a RX580, so FHD won't be a problem in any game

>>384352746
i use 8320 and hit 60fps in new vegas without even slightlest frame drops. you're doing something wrong

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ITT: Tech illiterates posting their cherrypicked benchmark bars

(Ry)Zen isn't a good gaming chip through its clock speed limitations and cross-CCX latency issues, but you can somewhat circumvent that through dual rank RAM with higher speeds, since their interconnect ("Infinity Fabric") is scaling on that. This still leaves out the clock speeds however, and for that we won't have a fix until AMD moves to another node.

>>384352363 is mostly GPU limited, but shows that off as well.

If you just want to play games, get a 7700k.

>>384351238
vore fetish

>>384352821
>>384352778

Thanks and noted.

>>384352821
Also, will Ryzen 3 be just as good for vidya though?

>>384353059
Nice, thanks for the help

>>384351968
Yeah okay go buy a quad core i5 in 2017 then

Biggest mistake ever using a 144hz monitor and 1070, hits 100% usage and underutilises gpu on alot of recent games so I have to lock framerate to 60 which is a complete waste for the gpu and monitor.

Recent examples where the cpu can't handle it unless I cap framerate, bf1, deus ex, Prey, dishonoured 2, rottr, tw: Warhammer off the top of my head. And Crysis 3 grass level is a stuttering mess.

Cpu benchmarks are worthless for the most part since they usually just test the same one minute scenario that doesn't stress the cpu at all compared to other parts of the game.

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>>384352925
Your 6600K is better than Ryzen and more future proof. Cheaper too. You won big time and made the best choice. Never believe an AMD poster on 4chan, they lie.

>>384353019
Doesn't Coffee Lake get outperformed by 7700k, based on leaks?

>>384353270
A quad core i5 is cheaper and more powerful than equivalent Ryzen chips. It's sad but completely true if we look at all the benchmarks.

>>384353298
Well, I just read intel is going to release a new line up for 1151 with 8XXX series. 6 core i5 looks seducing.

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>>384353298
>(((userbenchmark)))
Meanwhile in VIDEO GAMES

>>384353019
The 10 core 7900x hits 4.6 so I can easily see a 6 core mainstream part aimed at gaming hitting 4.8 minimum

>>384353073
>clock speed limitations
Aren't clock speeds kind of meaningless without considering IPCs? Ryzen improved on previous lackluster AMD chips' IPC a lot.

>>384349875
I bought my msi gaming x rx470 for $160 a year ago and it shits all over a 1050ti. Nvidia is only good for high med to high tier gpu.

>>384353073
i think anybody who has tried to use any amd multicore cpu for past several years

>owning a shitty phenom ii 1090t
>ordered a fx 8370 at 110$
>will sell the phenom for 70$ on ebay
>fx 8370 for 40$

How am i doing lads ?

>>384353061
I might be exaggerating a bit on the performance.

It runs at 60fps(or over, wouldn't know) most of the time, but there are certain angles in certain areas that eviscerate my FPS, even if there's nothing there.

I remember one tiny area in Dead Money that had fucking nothing on it that brought my FPS to 10 or so the second I looked at it.

>>384353073
>7700k
can i get along with 6700k instead? Kaby Lakes scare me

>>384353453
Vega RX specks leaked and it's above 1080 but below 1080Ti, kind of underwhelming for a totally new GPU.

>>384340242
>asking hardware/tech related questions on the most retarded and underage board of 4chins

You're literally asking for it.

Is the G4600 ggood for a budget built?

I'm upgrading from a shit tier AMD processor and don't want to get fucked again.

>>384351104
Japan and Korea bants are god tier.

>Japanese math class: 1 + 1 = end of war.

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>>384353298
>Userbenchmark
Never believe an Intel poster on 4chan, they lie.

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Whatever you do, don't buy a 4 core.
Consoles are all 8 core. Even Intel will release 6 core mainstream CPUs in a couple months.
Bannerlord devs said they design their new engines for 6-8 cores. So will every other game dev.

4 core is planned obsolesces.

>>384353348
You're mad if you think a quad core 4/4 cpu is a better buy than a 6/12 cpu with the same ipc, just a 20% clockspeed difference

Especially when i5s now hit max usage in alot of games when you use a decent gpu. What happens when you upgrade to mid range volta/navi ? This is due to i5s not changing over the last 6-7 years its finally catching up. Even Intel knows this and are changing them to 6 core

No one recommends an i5 anymore

>>384353447
Yes, but a good IPC is useless if your chip is locked to lower frequencies. 80% of the Ryzen pallet caps out on 4GHz already, and even the good bins don't scale past 4.2 without a compressor or LN2.

>>384353714
you don't make games for X cores

good quad core processor will still handle games better than shit octacore processor

>>384353482
Pretty good. The 8350 is a solid CPU.

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>buying AMD
>ever

>>384353482
Pretty good, I used one for over 2 years
Main reason I upgraded to a Ryzen 1700 was that I bought a Massive Shit International 970 gaymen board, which was on its last legs

>>384353541
Depends on the price. Could be 400-500 dollars which is basically 1070 price.

Nvidia will probably just drop prices a ton then release volta, amd are way to late to this gen.

>>384343191
My Sapphire 290 is probably the best card I've ever owned since the 9800 GT. It still maxes out pretty much everything i throw at it.

meanwhile nvidia's gonna use epyc for their datacenters and ditch intel

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2017/07/17/intel-amd-accelerated-data-center/

>>384353541
Everyone knows this. Price is really what matters.

>>384353645
>benchmarking 7zip vs games
Are germans retarded?
>>384353802
Reality shows that more cores is not better. AMD had 6 cores 10 years ago. That chip was still shit compared to a 2 core from today.

>>384353534
Kaby Lake is literally Skylake on higher clocks. The 6700k might use a little bit less power through its lower voltage, but it also performs slightly worse due to its lower frequency.

>>384354134
Okay, datacenters don't play games. AMD still has low FPS in games. Datacenters don't change that.

>AMD CPU

Disgusting, no better than being a consolefag.

>Everyone still parroting benchmarks when ryzen was new
>They don't know that the intel edge is now gone or insignificant with the new updates
/v/ really likes their old news.

>>384353982
>MSI
I always buy Gigabyte. Never had a problem.

>>384353891
Good thing we have good octacores then right?

Intel also releasing i5 and i7 octacore in two months, at the same price as the current quad cores. Getting 50% more for your money.

This argument is only valid if the octacore is has way slower single core performance like the Fx range.

The only people that would defend a quad core i5 right now are people who bought it in the last couple months just before they go eol. Should've bought sandybridge 6 years ago chump.

>>384353541
specs are leaked, but no benchmarks.

The only benchmarks we have are of Vega FE with a driver that has half the features disabled.

>>384354245
even normies are getting ryzen, intel is being fucked by everyone at this point, even nvidia

>>384354158
>>benchmarking 7zip vs games

It's a summary of Gaming + Applications, you fucking light bulb.

>>384353541
Really depends on the price
But the power consumption is pretty high, looks like it will be another Hawaii in terms of heat
And I think that drivers after launch will help it close the gap to the 1080ti, or even exceed it
AMD launch drivers have always sucked

>>384354284
>Intel also releasing i5 and i7 octacore in two months
If you're talking about Coffee Lake, isn't it hexcore?

>>384354285
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-rx-vega-3dmark

>Buying intel housefire

top kek

http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

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>>384351847
>>384354094
>290
That card is some black magic shit. It only improved in performance as it aged over the years.
>tfw I bought one for the price of a 280 at the time

>>384354158
Difference is those had shit ipc. Bulldozer was like 50% slower than sandybridge, and games were only just starting to use quad cores in 2011.

Now we have more cores with the same ipc and games are starting to use more than 4 cores. Recommending people crap that is eol and won't really last that long is Jewish.

>>384354254
I'm using a Gigabyte X370 gaming 5 myself now
The BIOS is kind of a pain, it likes to fuck up (had problems with RGB LED and boot order, which were fixed after BIOS updates) and takes 30 minutes to fully reset
But otherwise its a really nice board with many options and solid 6+(2x2) VRM
And the LED look pretty great combined with the Wraith Spire LED cooler

>>384354354
Nobody takes those 3dmark leaks seriously because they perform exactly like a a Fury X at 1600Mhz would. We know Vega is going to be faster than that.

>>384354341
So it's useless. This is a videogame board. We don't spend all day benchmarking 7zip.

Intel is a great brand, and its processors offer amazing performance.

If you want to take your gaming to the next level, consider an unlocked Intel Core i7 K SKU processor. Most games will look simply amazing with this processor, with high frame rates , and incredible performance that can handle future innovations, like VR.

>>384354206
i have builds of win 7 and 8.1 more or less adapted to work with Skylake - i don't want to go through the nightmare of trying to make Kaby Lake friends with older Windows all over again.

>>384340242
>Short Term
Depending on what you buy, Intel might give 5-10% more FPS in some current and older games
>Long Term
Ryzen 6/8c will be much faster (exceeding 50%) in come current games and most future games.

Really, it's all down to what you have now as how you should proceed.
If you're building from scratch, R5-1600 is the new value powerhouse.

Just got an I5 7600k because if offered better single core performance than its AMD counterpart at the same price. And since most games don't really use the extra cores and I do play a lot of older shit, that's single core, it was a no brainer.

That and the fact that I tend to avoid AMD like the fucking plague with all the issues I've had with them over the years. Never again.

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>>384354641
Except it also has other applications such as Handbrake you baiting faggot, 7-zip is also a good bench on cryptoshit

He claimed the 6600k being an overall better performer linking his shitmark, while it gets raped in anything threaded and isn't even that much better throughout many games.

>>384353904
>>384353982
Nice, ill be pairing it with my rx390x nitro and i will finally have a decent rig untill the next gen.

Ill probably jump on rizen for the next gen (and when will stop to be a fucking neet)

>>384340242
I'd either get and older 6700k if I found it at a decent price or wait for ryzen refresh, which would allow for higher clocks, while optimization for their new architecture starts to get delivered.

I think the only issue with ryzen are emulators having to be updated and the shitty japanese coding folded 1000 times who cant into multithreading

>>384354961
>handbrake
Useless. I can download a rip faster than I can make one.

>>384354874
enjoy being a retard

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>>384354874
>Just got an I5 7600k

You could've got the exact same cpu with 2 more cores for the same price on a non dead platform in two months.

Return that shit nigga. Buying a quad core in 2011-2016 was a good (well the only) choice. Now the market is finally moving from stagnation and people still buy the quads. Really baffles the mind.

>>384354874
Smart man.

Depends on the games, I emulate a lot, AMD processors are notoriously garbage when it comes to emulation.

>>384340242
ryzen is shit, sadly
unreal engine 4 games run twice as good on intel than same price ryzen

>>384354874
>And since most games don't really use the extra cores

Maybe if you're still in 2012.

somebody go ahead and post proof that games need more than 4 cores now

go right ahead

>>384355224
nope

>>384355279
Its so shit it made Intel change their entire lineup, and effectively half the price of their hedt cpus.

>>384355387
Literally most 2016/2017 AAA games. Especially at 144hz.

I7s can handle it much better than non hyperthreading i5s, so I'm speaking about current i5s only.

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>>384355042
Yeah, video encoding is useless. Just like compiling, compression and other productivity tasks involving multiple threads because everyone is a manchild only using his computer for video games.

Keep pretending that your SMTless corelet is more future proof. It's not even that much better in games. Here's your (You) and now fuck off.

>>384352268
BULLDOZER IS BETTER THAN INTEL

AHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAAHAHAH

>>384355389
It's true though, AMD is shit for emulation.

>>384355635
In Crysis 3 yeah. The grass eats up i5s for breakfast.

Someone post the Intel damage control slides

>>384355625
sorry I cant read arabic

>>384355625
No one spends any time encoding, compiling or compressing. That shit takes up less than 1% of the average user's time on a computer. However, gaming takes up much more. And Ryzen is shit tier for gaming. Enjoy the 4 seconds you save compressing a file because you're going to lose 30 FPS in games.

>>384355706
Bulldozer and derivatives were.
Ryzen is not.

>>384355706
Not anymore with Ryzen

>>384355459
that's very nice, but i'm (ex) die hard amd fan (i'm amd since 2002) and my next pc won't be amd. because: fx is so garbage it still hurts. I don't care that games slowly become multi, it still hurts. second, their gpus have terrible support. i'm not getting anything amd because i'm tired of it. it's garbage.

>>384355785
Which emulators?

All this discussion is a moot point. Since when does the fucking CPU bottleneck ANY game that isn't benckmark bullshit? Come on people.

>>384355706
Wasn't that just due to Fx having shit single core performance/ipc?

>>384355835
All emulators

>>384355854
Yes

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>>384355224
>>384355706
>AMD processors are notoriously garbage when it comes to emulation.

Zen ranges between Ivy and Haswell per-clock on that Dolphin benchmark.

I wouldn't call that terrible. It's not good either, however.

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>>384340628
>buying overpriced garbage
>intel tells you to stop overclocking to avoid house fire
yeah nah, intel died the moment ryzen came out

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>>384355927
>all emulators

>>384355791
Good thing no one buys fx anymore, it's ryzen now senpai

/v/ is retarded, go ask /g/ or a dedicated hardware forum. No one recommends Intel at the moment, only the 7700k for the select few wanting a few more frames for 144hz

>>384355927
I don't believe you after all of the AMD lies ITT.

>>384355854
yep. that being said, visheras weren't anyhow unusable, just not as good as intels. I've beaten both MGSes, P3, P4, SMT Nocturne on PCSX2 without problems, the only game that wasn't running well enough was GT4.

And i'm playing Wii games on Dolphin on daily basis, every single thing runs absolutely flawlessly. Slowly finishing NMH, downloading NMH2.

>>384356060
>AMD lies ITT

????

>>384356048
>amd
>ever again
lmao no. I had 4 amd-ati/amd pcs. i'm done. period.

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R8 my build.

>>384355952
You don't even need a high end Dolphin benchmark result to actually play the thing well. That benchmark is 1. unofficial and 2. mostly dickwaving. My shitty laptop from 2013 can run Dolphin. My refurb PC with an i3-3220 and 750 ti can run it. Anything can run Dolphin.

>>384356196
Ditch the 1800x for the 1600x if only gayming

>>384355852
Upgrade to 144/120hz and i5 quickly becomes a bottleneck. It can't push that many frames on modern games without hitting 100% usage and stuttering

>>384356135
>tfw I have an Nvidia Gpu and AMD CPU

Please god free me from the hell that is AMD's processors.

>>384356196
Good if you have the money.

Personally I'd wait for high end volta since pascal is a year old and was just shrunk down Maxwell. Volta is the next real architecture, hopefully similar to the Kepler to Maxwell jump

i dont wanna spend more than 1200 on a new pc but everyone says im stupid for getting i5 or ryzen and i need to get expensiver stuff :(

>>384356196
I'd say drop to 1700x because you can OC it to same levels
I was gonna say get a Noctua D15 or soemthign too but i noticed it was a 3x120mm AIO so that's actually pretty good compared to the other AIOs at the same price

>>384356428
just get the 1600 you stupid shit

>>384356475
can i emulate ps2 with it?

i guess i shouldve asked that earlier

>>384356326
You only have yourself to blame for buying an overpriced gpu coupled with a fx cpu that no one recommends

Not OP, but I need a recommendation.

I know AMD processors are shit and don't bother with them anymore, but are their grafix cards good?

>>384355762
>That shit takes up less than 1% of the average user's time on a computer.

Just like most computer users are using their machines for Office and Facebook instead of Gaming - the overall portion is still relatively small.

>And Ryzen is shit tier for gaming.

Yes, "shit-tier" as in ranging within a 4690k, 4790k or 7500. Or 5-10% below a 7600k. Kill yourself.

>>384356535
Yes

>>384356553
Fuck off retard

>>384356545
Jokes on you, it's an Athlon II and Gtx 750.

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>tfw have an i5-4690k
am i still going to be okay bros?

>>384356535
1600 is the gotay cpu. It's the 2500k of 2017.

>>384340242
I have always used Intel, I've never once been dissatisfied. If AMD could offer me the same reliable performance at a lower price point, I would gladly buy AMD. This is simple economics guys.

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>>384356553
>I know AMD processors are shit and don't bother with them anymore,

>>384356631
>>384356630

>>384356562
Welcome to the gaming board. We care about gaming performance. Ryzen is not a gaming CPU. Only Intel is good for gaming. If you want to make excel documents and compress files into 7zip, then by all means enjoy your AMD CPU.

>>384356562
>Or 5-10% below a 7600k
More like above when the game is CPU intensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>384356553
Yes, AMD cards are good, the common consensus is that they make good GPU's but shit CPU's.

>>384356635
Been burned by them twice, so I don't bother with them anymore, it just isn't worth the risk.

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>>384356624
That build is obsolete no matter how you look at it. I have the superior poorfag build.

>>384356250
>Ditch the 1800x for 1600x.
There is literally no reason why I should do that unless I am literally only planning on playing a game with nothing else opened or running.

>>384356432
>Buy the 1700x because you can OC it to match the base speed of the 1800x.
Or I could just get the 1800x and OC it to a speed that none of the other Ryzen series can reach.

>>384356398
When is Volta coming out?

>>384356712
>2017
>being a corelet

Its not 2012 gramps

>>384356810
You must love deliding.

>Tfw lost my crying intel wojak folder

>>384356628
Depending on what you play, you could be fine. Or you could end up hitting 100% CPU usage and drop frames like crazy.

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>>384356712
>does well in game benchmarks compared to other products from similar price range
>hurr is not a gaming cpu

i think you might be kinda biased

>>384356842
I'm jealous to be honest.

Does it still run newer games on lower settings?

>>384356862
Most likely shortly after vega. Vega is late this month, so at least wait for that since nvidia will have to drop prices.

So what im getting from this thread is that 4-core cpu's are getting close to irrelevance.
Right?

>>384356875
>2017
>being a low fps cuck
The AMD meme has been scamming fools for years.

>>384356965
I got about 30-45 FPS on Doom with everything turned off and 90% screen scaling.

>>384356712
>Only Intel is good for gaming.
>>384356728
>shit CPU's.

You guys are very poorly informed. >>384356718
Would the i5 have 8 threads instead of 4, then the R5 CPUs would simply be a budget choice or for people that do lots of multi-threaded things. Sure, an i5 will get you higher framerate in Minecaft, 720p CS:GO, or anything that isn't that CPU intensive. But i5s have only 4 threads and the moment you throw them at CPU intensives games (BF1, GTA:V, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs 2, the list goes on) they reach absurdly high usages and become the bottleneck causing on their own big framedrops during intensive scenes. And that's on test benches with nothing running in the background.

>>384356820
>Been burned by them twice, so I don't bother with them anymore, it just isn't worth the risk.
You have only yourself to blame for being so little educated about hardware and not being able to properly compare two different products.

>>384356862
>Or I could just get the 1800x and OC it to a speed that none of the other Ryzen series can reach
That's not happening, any Ryzen will reach the voltage wall at the very least at 4.1GHz, and my worst-binned R7 1700 can do 3.9GHz pretty easily (haven't tried 4.0). That 200MHz you're gaining at the very best isn't worth the extra price and won't make much of a difference.

>>384357043
most of them are obsolete at this point

>>384340242
Intel processors are only good for Netflix. For everything else get Ryzen.

>>384357043
4 core 4 threads (i5s) = shit for future proofing, shit for AAA games
4 cores 8 threads (i7s) = meh for futureproofing but great CPU at the time being

>4c/4t, 4c/8t processor
>2017
HAHAhAhAHAHA

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>>384357043
You're going to see more games like this where i5 gets raped on minimums because it hits 100% CPU usage.

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>>384357043
yes. they have been great for the past 6-7 years, but we're moving on.

pic related, on a 2500k @ 4.9ghz with the framerate limited to 75. Unlocking the framerate gives 90-120 fps but mad stutters.

The same on alot of modern games, and the modern i5s are not much faster.

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This shit still maxes everything that's optimized.
Why own a console unless you're a giant weebfag?

>>384357043
Not yet, but in the near future yeah. Ryzen was obsolete the moment it appeared as far as gaming is concerned. Intel's new chips with up to 24 cores are destroying AMD's paltry 8 cores.

@384357287

he doesn't even deserve a you

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>>384357287
>Intel's new chips with up to 24 cores are destroying AMD's paltry 8 cores.

the shills have convinced me to buy a ryzen

now tell me what gpu to buy

>>384357269
>8350
>maxing anything

Are vore wojaks the new cancerous meme?

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>>384356712
>i5-7600k currently for 225$ on PCpartpicker US
>R5 1600 currently for 200$ on PCpartpicker US

I pay 89% of a 7600k while getting around 90% of it in Gaming (on average). Your Intel chip also comes without a stock cooler.

Even just for Gaming, it is still a considerable option from a price-/performance perspective

>m-muh Overclocks

Requires additional investment in your motherboard and cooling. while even shit 1600s easily reach 3.6GHz (All cores) on its stock cooler, good ones 3.9 or even 4.

Yes, Intel is the king for gaming if money doesn't matter. But my point still stands. Try harder.

>Inb4 poorfag

>>384357413
RX470/570/480/580 used.
eth crashed.

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>>384357430

>>384357538
lmao poorfag

gottem your argument is mute now :^)

>>384356553
It's the other way around now, mate. But still, their gpu's are worth if you can find them at a good price

>>384357538
>90% of it in Gaming (on average).
more like 110%
remember 4 threads shits the bed at anything CPU intensive

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looks like they had the last laugh

>>384354346
At 500 bucks, the margins will be absolutely abysmal. The R9 290 was a massive GPU that was sold cheaper than the equivalent halo Nvidia card, which had less transistors, less ROPs, less everything, making it cheaper to produce, on top of that the chip was ALSO harvested for the 770 cards, which lowered the losses/made profit(?), unlike the R9 290, which was a harvested Firepro card and basically the end of line. Infact I don't understand how they were able to be considered from 4870 up to Polaris.

>>384354965
I was (and still am) using a R9 290 at 1440p
Almost all modern games run at 60fps without any huge drops on the FX8350
Should be a fine system for at least a few years

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>>384356196
>Gets 1080 GTX
>Pairs it with AMD instead of i7-7700

>>384357538
>90% of it in Gaming

not in modern games where i5s are at 100% usage

>>384355952
Dolphin isn't an issue since the DX12 update
Even a FX4300 will run everything at full speed

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>>384357850

>>384344172
Ryzen needs a discrete GPU, yes. It doesn't have integrated like the Athlons.

>>384344372
What are the benefits of buying a micro compared to a full sized ATX anyway?

>>384357965
DELET

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>>384356879

>>384357965
Wew lad, you wanna link your unbiased vids?

>>384358072
cute mini case that takes up no space

>>384356196
Great enthusiast build

>>384356553
RX 580 is great, but miningfags drove up the price
And AMD CPUs are fantastic now

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>Intel babies mad that Ryzen punches above its weight class
>Defending their jew masters

Don't even understand why the need to be so upset. This is literally what happens when a company moves on in tech. Now Intel will come out with their stuff and be slightly better, down the line. This process has repeated this over 10 years ago. Just get what's better in your price range, don't be an idiot and go full retard thinking you need a $500 cpu and a $500gpu to play the latest games.

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>>384358294
>AMD
>Enthusiast

>>384352873
You could just wait for the Ryzen APUs, we could see decent 600 dollar laptops or you could build a console-sized PC for less than 300 bucks.

>>384344172
Yes, Ryzen doesn't have an iGPU
Just use any PCIe GPU you have to test if the system works

>>384358479
>Buying an i7 CPU that performs 5% better for double the price
Yeah, no.

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>>384357965

>>384353019
>non-K hexacores will have 3,2Ghz base
Literally no point in buying Intel CPUs outside of the hexacore K variants.

>>384352392
>>384353383
>>384357965
>>384358649
>Youtube screencaps
>No source
I'm McLovin' It

>>384357965
i'm really confused - so you are okay with AMD not being fully loaded?

>>384358789
look at the fps

>>384358770
Literally google the name of the video?

>>384358789
CPU being at 100% usage is bad. It has no headroom and will not be able to push higher frames with a better gpu in the future.

You never want CPU at 100%, can also introduce stuttering. GPU is what you want at 99-100%.

>>384358649
can you please define what exactly determines the similar FPS ceiling? Are the games artificially capped to see which CPU will be loaded more?

>>384358789
It is more about showing how the Intel chip is capped out while the AMD has some wriggle room left.

>>384352873
This would be a pretty good little LAN box I'd say
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3MDChq
Just wait until RX580 prices drop down to reasonable levels again (or until AMD releases the next series, whichever comes first)
GTX1060 6GB would also be an option if its considerably cheaper than the 580

>>384358980
but why is FPS identical? Shouldn't it be at least slightly higher with AMD and thus the AMD itself being loaded a bit more?

I have an 8350 and I'm never buying AMD again. Bunch of fucking shite, they promise things will be better in the future but they never are. The only thing they got lucky on was how the 480 handles dx12.

>>384358930
>He can't even link what he posts
Weeeew lad

>>384359035
GPU is near capped as well for both chips looking at the top.

>>384359118
that bothers me that there's no info about what GPU model is used

>>384354674
Is this pasta? Is it spicy or bland?

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>>384359056
>bought a FX8350
>literally no issues with the CPU
>upgraded to a Ryzen 1700 because my MSI board was a piece of shit
>no issues

>>384359206
Dude it's UNBIASED, don't argue

>>384359035
Nope because the GPU is the limit mostly.

This will change when you slap a more powerful gpu in there in 2-3 years, the ryzen will have headroom to make use of it (and games will probably be even more multithreaded then) while the 7700k will be at 100% CPU usage and fluctuating GPU usage.

7700k is still a decent chip, but its mainly to show if the 7700k is hitting high usage on modern demanding games how do you think the i5 is going to do? i5 is the worst buy ever right now and not futureproof at all, yet people still recommend it somehow.

>>384359206
its a 1080

>>384359235
>had a Phenom X4 9750 for almost a decade
>literally no issues
>upgrade to Ryzen 1600 because literally why not
>no issues thus far

>>384359262
what, am i supposed just to shut up and believe everything that's spewed out by some random nobody in the thread?

this picture has made me rather curious about ryzen and right now i just want to cross-check the information.

>>384359435
>what, am i supposed just to shut up and believe everything that's spewed out by some random nobody in the thread?
Yes

>>384353482
>shitty phenom II
If you overclock, a 4GHz Phenom II x6 will shit on 4.6Ghz FX8370 in most games.

>>384359279
i don't live in future - if i stuck in some poor performance situation i'll just upgrade my build to by what's the best offer at the market (performance/price)

>>384359474
No, it factually won't

>>384359493
That's the R5 1600 currently

Will a 1070 bottleneck my 4690k?
I can't seem to get a clear answer from any website.
Please respond

>>384359493
I just build whatever will last me the longest at the best price. In 2011 that was the 2500k, in 2017 its the 1600.

Quad cores are on their way out.

>>384359546
>>>/g/pcbg

>>384359546
Are you just playing 1080p60? If so then probably not.

>>384359546
its the otherway around, 4690k will bottleneck a 1070 in some games yes.

you can lock framerate to 60 to avoid the high cpu usage and stuttering but then it defeats the point of having a 1070, might aswell have got a 1060.

>>384359527
well, good for them - i actually want AMD to get back on track, so Intel will finally rise up from their lazy asses to make something worthy

>>384359546
You mean to ask
>Will my 4690k bottleneck a 1070?
To which the answer is no.

>>384350483
what's ati?

>>384358936
Mostly likely GPU limited
Like a lot of the benchmarks shown that aren't reaching more than 80fps, GPU will be more important than the CPU until you're reaching 1080 or above levels and have at least a mid level processor

>>384359587
sadly, i've already upgraded early on in 2016, but the Ryzen chips look somewhat better, compared to Kaby Lake.
Let's hope, more developers will have Ryzen chips involved in development proccess more in order to avoid utter shitshow many AMD CPU owners have suffered with couple of big titles in past years

>>384357082
>That 200MHz you're gaining at the very best isn't worth the extra price and won't make much of a difference.

This so hard. We're looking at 2% performance difference. If that's worth 200€ to you, might aswell buy intel for another 1000€ and another 10% on top of that.

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>>384359587
>Quad cores are on their way out.
I'm still playing maxed 1080p on a dual-core

>>384359841
at what, 30fps?

im on 120hz senpai

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WEW

>>384359921
60 fps, memester

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Intel on suicide watch

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>>384360013
Your days are numbered, nVididdlers

>>384360158
i really want 2005 situation back
>tfw AMD was king
>ATi has beaten ever-living shit out of Jewvidia

>>384360158
Intel deserve it for refreshing their mainsteam processor platform so that you have to buy a new motherboard every fucking time

>>384357043
>listening to /v/ about hardware
80% of shitters here don't know about what cpu uses what socket, but they know intel is better than amd. /v/ is good for shitposting, but if you need opinion about hardware find some nice forum with people that actually test shit, this is a hellhole and this thread was a mistake

I only care about emulation which is better on Intel chips. Has emulation improved on amd cpus with ryzen?