Max Payne 1 or 2?

The second one. Because it's the first can't even run right on my computer without a fix I how to jump through hoops for to get it to work.

no preference, i usually play them both back to back

Max Payne 2 has superior graphics and gameplay but Max Payne 1 has superior story and atmosphere, also it's hard as fuck which means it's fun. Going with MP1.

Gameplay:
3>1=2

Story:
1>2>3

Atmosphere:
1>3>2

Music:
3>1>2

2. It's one of the smoothest TPS games ever made; that it lacks multiplayer is a tragedy.

>>384337278
1 had better climate.
2 had better gameplay.

>>384339051
this to be quite honest with you op

>>384337278
number 1 with kung fu mod 3.0

Max Payne like The Sims. The first has real charm to it, but the second has better mechanics.

I really enjoyed 3 the most tho

>>384339051
this
I don't know why they made the second game so easy, the first one can be a real challange and I love that. That also can be said about the third, which is a very close second after MP1 for me.
The only thing I actually like about the fall of max payne is the "comfiness" of it, the tv shows, police station, apartment building sequences etc.

>>384337278
2. playing deus ex earlier today led me to the conclusion that every single 3D game around that era has aged horribly and really isn't worth the time or effort anymore.

>we'll never get Max Payne 1 and 2 remade with the Max Payne 3 engine and gameplay

Max Payne 3's gunplay is boner inducing, why hasn't rockstar used it?

>>384341660
there is a mod for the second game that tries to make it's gameplay similar to the third one, but it was buggy as hell for me... you can give it a go, but nothing will be as satisfying as playing MP3

2 all the way.

>>384337278
They´re both pretty much on the same level. Might prefer MP1´s story a bit (also nostalgia I guess), but 2 controls slightly better

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>>384337278
>excluding 3
i see you're a man of taste as well

1 is better in most respects, while 2 has ragdolls, slightly better level design on average, and is a little more mechanically-refined

3 can suck a fucking dick

2, but only because 1 is bugged on Windows 10
>sticky walls/floors you can get stuck to, wasting your bullet time/shootdodge
>especially bad in nightmare levels, where climbing stairs becomes trial and error
>3rd nightmare equence is not doable, because your feet are glued to the floor and you cant jump in the bloodstains scene AT ALL and have to resort to cheats

Otherwise it would be much better with the humour and the gritty storrytelling.

>>384339051
How is the cover based shooting better than the regular Max Payne gameplay?

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>>384337278
I haven't played any of these games.
What's the best way to play them?
PC version fine or should I emulate ps2?
Any mods or unofficial patches recommended?

2. Just because second one have ragdolls. They are incredible fun with some mods and slow-mo.
I always try to do a good shot, pause the game and use free-camera command to make a shitton screenshots from different angles.
Also, Dead Man Walking is also more satisfying with ragdolls.

>>384345102
>PC version fine or should I emulate ps2?

this is the dumbest question I've read in months

>>384343743
It isn't. 3 isn't bad but I really loved the tight corners and some of the claustrophobic atmosphere of the first 2 where shooting and dodging was way more fun.

>>384343743
you literally only need to use cover in 2 parts of the game

most parts of the game are played through shoot dodging or bullet time, because you are less likely to be hit and its easier to aim

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>>384345425
There are games where the PC version is garbage

How do you even get max payne 1 to run now?

>>384339051
>3 not being garbage in every respect except graphics

Are you retarded?

>>384345102
PC.
Sound patch for 1
Widescreen patches for both.
After completing them once you can try various mods on moddb, like Kung-Fu, EoS, Equillibrium and others. There're shitload of them.

>>384345661
Max Payne was made for PC first and then ported to PS2.

>>384345651
I remember that the game puts you behind cover with half a dozen or more enemies shooting at you more than twice.

I agree though that the parts where you get to move around by yourself and there's barely any cover were amazing (nightclub, parts of the football stadium).

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>>384345784
Thank you for your input, my dude

>>384345736
>install game
>install soundpatch
>???
>profit
You may have to cheat during some dream sequences though.

>>384345763
Are you?

2 is my favourite but they're both great. Is 3 the most forgettable fucking game in existence? The shooting is mechanically sound and I'd like it if we had a remake of the first two running on the engine of the third, but holy fuck I literally don't even know what happened in the storyline.

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>>384339051

Gameplay:
3>1=2

Story:
1>2>3

Atmosphere:
1>2>3

Music:
3>2>1

Tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNO2cI7B-Q8

>>384346685
>Gameplay:
>3>1=2
Confirmed not having played 1 and 2 in 10 years.

>>384346895

Try 13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCj-I4LoqtQ

>>384345102
you should emulate the xbox version

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WHACK EM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYIYYUSrwQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0yhri_Dbw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEH_LSL4rVw

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>>384347282
Is that the original xbox, the xbox 360, the xbox one or the xbox one s or the xbox one x?

1 in just about every way besides graphics and gun feel. The gameplay is better with more balanced slow mo, the levels are more straightforward and action packed, the atmosphere is stronger and the writing is more fun and humorous.

Second one for gameplay. Also the soundtrack is awesome. (Any Poets fans?) But I think the first has a better story.

1 by far. Everything aside from the graphics is vastly superior.

>>384347163
I've seen these guys live four times and it never gets old hearing that song.

Any game where they didn't use Sam Lake as Max Payne is not a Max Payne game

>>384343707
>>sticky walls/floors you can get stuck to, wasting your bullet time/shootdodge
Are you talking about not being able to shoot dodge high enough? Like Max kind of slides along the floor rather than diving? That's caused by having too high of a framerate. You can fix it by locking it to 90 or so. Just found out about it a few days ago when I tried to replay it on windows 10.

I played the first max payne and loved it, played the second for an hour or two and it didn't click with me. Should I give it another shot?

>>384337278
I really like both.

>>384347929
IIRC the first bit drags a bit. But yeah, it's definitely worth playing.

>>384347909
Also I haven't gotten to the nightmare sections yet but I'm guessing it's probably the same problem, because there isn't much on screen to render so your framerate would go super high and make the problem even worse.

>>384345661
this is low quality bait, anon

>>384347909
No, I'm talking about how you pop bullettime while moving around a corner, just to get stuck to said corner (until you deactivate bullettime) without being able to move and the enemies just shoot the crap out of you.

Shootdodge seemed to work fine for the most part, although it actually might have been a bit too low now that you mention it.

I like 2 less than 1 and 3, purely because the face of Max in 2 never clicked with me, just like the voice and face of Vlad.

>>384347929
Dunno. Max Payne 2 is mechanically and graphically superior, but the atmosphere is more serious.

I love Max Payne 1 and I replay it every year, but there is something about 2 and 3 that didn't click with me like the first one did.

I like both, but I love 2's tone, the chemistry between Max and Mona, and modding the hell out of it.

It also has the best soundtrack.

https://youtu.be/AzsiE44Lz_w

>>384337278
Max Payne 2. Great gameplay and atmosphere, benefited from a bigger budget, has aged better. Also, probably the best romance in vidya.

https://youtu.be/USl4GajTm-I

>Right now, more than anything, I wanted her.

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>>384350945

>dat underboob

>>384346895

Not him, but I play all games every year and by simply unbinding cover, you have vastly improved 3

>>384339051
This.
Damn.

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>>384337278
Is beyond me how anyone can even have a doubt like this. This is probably bait.

The first Max Payne is a masterpiece and is far better than the second. Max Payne 2 is just a caricature of the first one with an obnoxious romance and repetitive maps.

>>384353610
>repetitive maps.
Anon please.
I literally played MP1 a month ago.

>>384352549
>Just unbind it lol
>Nevermind the game placing you in cover after each of the thousand cutscenes

>>384339051
>Music:
>3>1>2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so3TUeGwMHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb5Z2mc31Rg
Come on, dude.

>>384339051
Change Story to 1>3>2 and we're golden.

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>>384337278
I prefer Max Payne GBA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsG-VUYUhQw

>>384337278
3

>>384339051
>Gameplay:
>3>1=2
More like shooting mechanics. At least there is some level exploration in 1 and 2.

Post Sam Lake!!!

>>384337278
1 and 3.

2 was like almost all part 2's. Corny and odd, tries too hard to change so people dont complain that its too similar to the first.

HAVE NO FEAR
VLAD IS HERE

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>>384355615
Because you asked, anon.

>>384337278
3 for gameplay
2 for story
1 for lore
>>384339051
Except 2 had the best music

>>384355739
>Except 2 had the best music
No,

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>be 14/15
>finally get a pc good enough for Max Payne
>cold snowy december, right before christmas
>spent it with hot chocolate milk, cookies and being max payne
>play until the final gunshot was an exclamation mark to everything that had led to that point

Felt so good. MP1 > *

>>384355519
>3
>a good story
pick one

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>>384339051
my nigga

3 also had the best Max

>>384337278
Story-wise, I think 1 is better

But everything else, gameplay, music, etc. 2 is better.

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>>384355615

>>384355671
Vlad! Shut up and stay alive! I'm coming!

Don't answer that.

I kinda liked 3, not as much as the previous ones but I don't hate it. It's so different and it is basically already another life for Max but the bullshit just follows him everywhere which makes it as depressing as it should be.
I hope there won't be a 4th though because that nigger deserves a break.

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>>384357118
>implying this isn't the best Max

>>384339051
>Gameplay
>3>1=2
No.

The single fact that you can't carry more than two weapons invalidates this opinion.

>>384360086
>that fucking scene where he bends over backwards to shoot someone in bullet time and it takes 5 fucking minutes in real time
>casting Ludacris as a detective hunting down Max
>Mila Kunis runs into an elevator mid-shoot out and disappears from the film
I've seen some pretty bad films in my time, but this was jaw droppingly incompetent

>>384357118
>not Sam Lake
not Max Payne

1 has the best setting
2 has the best writing
3 has the best gameplay

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>>384360416
nice meme
James McCaffrey is what Max should have always been

>>384360086
fAlLeN AnGelS fucking shits

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>>384360523
>2 has the best writing
Hahaha, fuck no.

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>>384360368
The real question is whether it was worse than this one.

>>384357118

>That consistently receeding hairline
Shoutout to high test bros

>>384360730
Actually yes, it's fact.

>>384360576
But he's not even the best Payne

>>384360086
>>384360769
It's the exact same woman in the dress, we hypercrisis now

>>384360769

Literally why do movies like that exist? Why?

>>384360769
How would you make a movie about a silent assassin that's not boring?

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>>384355431
Great taste, anon.

>>384360769
I can't believe he went from Deadwood to this

>>384355431
Just because something is on the last or second place on the max payne ranking it doesn't mean it's bad

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>>384360576
Nah

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>>384355431
still doesn't hold a candle to 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXuP0hRJMm0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J0OtECdtMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q2xbMuVYuc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TvSjLLOdiU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EskJZmaYL10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEH_LSL4rVw

>>384360937
By making it a high brow thriller with an unexpected fuck off intense but brief firefight somewhere in the middle, instead of a no brow action thriller with so much stupid over the top bullshit you just end up zoning out during most of it.

Max Payne 3 best game.
I will agree that the cutscene are kinda annoying, though. Especially since the story isnt exactly anything great. Levels are awesome though, game play easily best in series, music top notch, and I like Max's attitude (not necessarily his character, but oh well.) I think his attitude fits really well with the events of the game and helps tie together the gameplay.

Gameplay ranking

MP1 Kung Fu Mod > MP3 > MP2=MP1

>>384361536
>brief firefight
not silent assassin

>>384361254
MP3 soundtrack is way overrated

>>384346685
>>384339051
>Music
>3>1>2
no

1>2>>>3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so3TUeGwMHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8vd6lT_zQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ppE4-Og9dI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Js2_Ev2us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpzfV8OtLHI

>>384361741
Your cover is gonna get blown at some point. There's no quicksaves in real life.

>>384361773
nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2RjHJchKFI

Real talk: Just played Max Payne for the GBA. It's surprisingly a really faithful port

ATTENTION

3 IS FUCKING SHIT A, BIG, FUCKING, SHIT
THIS IS TRUTH YOU BAD TASTLES FAVELA NIGGERS.

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>>384337278
>winter
>cup of coffee on desk
>blanket around you
>playing MP1
>pic related appears
Nothing will beat the feeling of playing MP1 during the winter.
It's like the game send you to another dimension.

1, OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABps2aoiqug
Sahm Layke is cute! CUTE!

IT'S PAYNE!

>>384361942
Terrible

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>>384337278

Anon, dearest of all my friends.

I still got MP1 on my backlog, but completed 2 and 3, what is wrong with me.

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>>384362806
>that accent
He's adorable

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>>384361254

1 = 2 > 3 but they all have their charm. 3 has worst gameplay of the series by virtue of having beautiful environments but no level design to speak of, just a series of setpiece shootouts mainly. Waking up in Panama was a GOAT-tier moment though.

>>384363107
JESUS CHRIST PLAY IT

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>>384364725
I unironically love bald Max
him shaving his head is a god-tier 'change to disc 2' moment

Why is Max so shit in the cutscenes of 3, but a superhuman during gameplay?

>>384366746
L U D O N A R R A T I V E

D I S S O N A N C E

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>>384353610
>obnoxious romance
Are you one of those edgelords who hates any romance without exceptions?

>>384363107
Me too.

I'm afraid I'm gonna go full pleb and not like it because it's aged badly.

>>384357118
It's the same guy in 2 and 3

>>384367397
no

>>384367357
The gameplay is still goat anon

>>384367790
It kinda-sorta isn't. I mean, I like it, but for a player coming from 2 and 3 the fact that enemy HP keeps going up and eventually your Berettas become peashooters that require multiple headshots to down masketta men and killer suits might be very off-putting. As well as boss characters having even more HP. The Berettas are somewhat of a signature weapon, but as somebody who did a run where I tried to kill most "bosses" with them - The Trinity, Lupino etc., I wouldn't recommend it.

Don't get me wrong, I love the game. Still probably the best atmosphere, though 2 has its merits.

>>384337278
1 for story
2 for action and the arcade mode

>>384339051
>Gameplay:
>3>1=2
wrong
2>1>3

>>384360914
Brand recognition and test audiences.
>>384360990
If it paid off it could've started a franchise.

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>>384368031
>2 has its merits
it had its moments

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1>2>crobcat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(50 thousand years later)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>favelaniggers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3

1. is a masterpiece,a noire work of genius, like matrix with guns, truly a man with nothing to lose was he the valkyr subject that killed his wife or was that just guilt that he couldnt save his wife and kid

2. expands on this but has a little to many ingame "cutscenes" and decent mona sections and is too short overall, the spinning reloads and BT filter are nice, gameplay is kinda improved

3. breaks away from the noire to give us shit, nausiating VHS pretentious shit (like hotline miami but worse) 1+2 weapon limit, scripted sequences with BT instead of letting us do it ourselves, too much scripted sequences, DUDE TEXT EVERYWHERE LMAO, cover shooter, having left+right aim instead of centre aiming, cant chose your max version-only by modes and shit. but the worst thing of all has to be the multiplayer.

people running around in bombsuits(high explosive resistance) with OP DLC weapons destroying everyone is the worst experience, then theres the fags who can carry the heavest shit(the best guns) without being slowed down because of their rank was a poor design choice. but the cream of the crop has to be aimlock, no one wants that shit, free aim or GTFO

>>384367357
it hasn't. i recently replayed it.

>playing 1
>meet and love Vladimir because he's cheesy but seems like a bro
>get to 2
>find him again and cheer up heavily
>get to the twist

Fug

>>384368408
this desu. the text on screen effect killed what mood was left.

>>384368408
>was he the valkyr subject that killed his wife
I kind of like that crazy fan theory. It edgy but it almost makes sense.

>>384368313
The best thing about 2 are TV shows, and I'm not being dismissive of 2, I just think that the way they parallel and even sometimes mock the serious story of the game is absolutely brilliant and compliments the dreamlike/nightmarish atmosphere of the game so much. And Max monologues are on point as usual. I don't think 3 is terrible, but it misses touches like this that make MP stand out, the weirdness.

>>384368653
best part of alan wake were the tv shows too

>>384368525
Haven't played 2 in a while but what was even the point of him being a bad guy?

>>384368991
Drama? I mean, he doesn't even want to hurt Max IIRC. He points out that Woden was responsible for his wife's death by sending her the dirt on Horne, knowing that would put her under fire, and how ironic it was that Max worked on him.

I didn't mind it. It puts the events of 1 in a new light, he goes from a random mobster who suddenly helps you to a guy who had an agenda.

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>>384368653
>*max laughing over his dead wife*
>YOU MURDERER
>YOU KILLED HER
>*max starts shooting his past self*
>edgy
i thought it was heavily implied he was the valkyr guy, it does give you super human abilities and gives halucinations. plus he gets an overdose of valkyr and literally shrugs it off or goes insane and thinks he can go slaughter a skyscraper with armed guards then kills the CEO. it does make alot of sense and fits well with the story

>>384369184
Well, the more standard interpretation is that he feels extremely guilty because she told him "Look at the stuff some guy sent me" and he was like "Yeah whatevs gotta go to work", and then she was killed because of that extremely dangerous information.

But the alternative explanation is cool, though I don't think Max's abilities need a realistic explanation.

>>384369332
It's an interesting theory but as far as I'm concerned it's just survivor's guilt. He didn't kill her, but he feels like he did anyway.

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>>384368296
I guess you have to be a gamer to see how dead in the water projects like those are.

>>384369554
I haven't seen it.

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>>384366092
Hating Max Payne 3 is a meme and 2 is way overrated. I feel like people are still shitting on it based on how the announcement trailer made them feel.

Max Payne 3 moved the setting from a comic book new york that 1 had already exhausted to an interesting, competently realized and thoroughly corrupt Brazil (which btw is America's future too, so take note). It also has some of the best production design of any game, even puts most movies to shame. It gets rid of goonish villains and has bad guys that were harvesting organs, which is gross and more real world than the edgy devil drug illuminati. It has kickass ragdoll physics. It even has an NYC throwback chapter for nostalgia bait and there are fewer instances of cringe inducing purple prose poetry.

The only thing objectively shit about it are the dumbass Man on Fire subtitles. The comics were just lazy photos with a terrible photoshop filter applied. If they weren't going to do real comics, then the cutscenes are fine.

Max Payne 1 is a masterpiece because it was a focused revenge tale and Remedy is like none other with atmosphere. 2 is too goofy, the ending and main villain are shit, Mona sucks, snow was better than rain, the writing wasn't good, and Max reloads by spinning like a ballerina. 3 is good and everyone should play it.

>>384368991
There was no point. The game didn't have a villain so they picked his nobody background character.

>>384369804
>more real world than the edgy devil drug illuminati
the point of Max Payne games never was to be realistic ripped-from-headlines criminal underground simulators

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Is he a hack?

>>384367397
talking about the face here chief

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2=1>>>>>3

Both 1 and 2 are great. HOwever, those games are different. MP1 was better when it comes to gameplay and atmosphere but MP2 had a great story, excellent storytelling via comic strips and cutscenes and the soundtrack was perfect. That main theme with the violins stills plays in my head everytime I see snow outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u116HbMOF_Y

MP3 is a strange case.
While I enjoyed the gameplay and the music was good too, the game should've been called Favela Murder Simulator. It doesn't have a lot to do wiht Max Payne and feels like an entirely different experience.

>>384370147
He's Euro Kojima

>>384369804
>Hating Max Payne 3 is a meme
Liking Max Payne 3 is a meme.

> to an interesting, competently realized and thoroughly corrupt Brazil
Which Max has no stakes in, no history, and a totally contrived reason for even being in. You could replace Max with any knockoff action movie character and the story wouldn't change at all, in fact it'd make more sense. Obviously when you need a fall guy for your corrupt Brazilian kidnapping scheme you travel all the way to New York with a flimsy cover story and recruit the man who singlehandedly took on the entire new york mob twice. It's okay though because he's drunk and unpredictable now, how could our plan go wrong?

>and there are fewer instances of cringe inducing purple prose poetry.
They were all replaced with poorly written Houser dogshit lifted straight out of a dimestore detective novel. Everybody is suddenly a 'clown' or a 'goon' and I'm surprised he didn't drop a 'dame' in there. The writing is flat out just worse, even if it is more grounded.
>"they were right, I wouldn't know right from wrong if one was helping the poor and the other was banging my sister"
Dan Houser actually wrote this and said "fuck yeah, what a great opening line for our story" before taking another line of coke and lighting a cigar with his GTA money.

>It gets rid of goonish villains
And replaces them with utterly flat stock characters with no memorable lines or personalities.

>snow was better than rain
Both are better than no interesting visual motif at all.

>3 is good
If you're an easily impressed dipshit who likes diamond-studded turds.

>>384371630
>Everybody is suddenly a 'clown' or a 'goon' and I'm surprised he didn't drop a 'dame' in there.
One of the chapters is literally named after his quote in that chapter: A dame, a dork, and a drunk.

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>>384368653
Both 1 and 2 in their own ways somehow combined being really serious, dark and gritty with being cheesy and weird, mocking itself. The games were self aware and self-deprecating without losing their edge or becoming ironic. Somehow it made it all seem even grittier to me. The lighthearted goofiness contrasted to Max's descent into despair turned into really black humor. Like even the game itself wouldn't let Max catch a break, mocking him every step of the way into his darkest moments.

3 had no sense of humor like that, It takes itself really seriously. In 3 Max becomes like a flanderized caricature of himself, like he bought into his own hype. Very Hollywood with little self-awareness. It's not terrible necessarily, but it's very unlike Max Payne. 1 and 2 mocked the action hero stereotype, 3 became the stereotype.

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>>384371134
MP2 has the best face. Classic noir cop.

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>>384372375
wrong picture

>>384370147
He got lucky with MP1. Nothing else he made was any good. I mean there was Alan Wake which tried to be Max Payne lite, and the combat and gameplay was boring.

While MP had over the top dialogue, it also had ace gameplay that if you weren't interested in the story you could still have fun. I just wanted Alan Wake to be over but as soon as I was done with Max I booted it back up on the harder difficulty.

>>384372375
I mostly agree, except I don't think 1 and 2 exactly mocked the action hero thing, more like they elevated the conflict to almost epic/biblical proportions. But yeah, it's the weirdness that 3 lacks.

>>384372375
>3 had no sense of humor like that, It takes itself really seriously. In 3 Max becomes like a flanderized caricature of himself, like he bought into his own hype. Very Hollywood with little self-awareness.
Almost as if 3 was developed by a totally different studio equivalent to the hollywood of vidya.

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>>384337278
>MP4 with few cutscenes, goat gunplay and old noir atmosphere never ever
Fuck GTA:O

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>>384373196
RDR and GTA did the self awareness better though. Not Remedy tier it was there.

>>384373182
I feel that they mocked the stereotype while elevating it to epic proportions at the same time. Putting it that way the self-deprecating humor is what keeps the biblical grimdark in 1&2 grounded and diverse, instead of being so serious and gritty it becomes ridiculous and monotone like with mp3.

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>>384374343
but it was there*

>>384370147
quantum break was garbage max
what are you doing

>>384367357

Just add the Kung Fu mod, dummy

>>384374343
>Putting it that way the self-deprecating humor is what keeps the biblical grimdark in 1&2 grounded and diverse
Yeah, I guess that's the way to put it. It was self-aware, but in a sincere way. I think what makes it work is that Max is aware about how ridiculous that is.
>After Y2K the end of the world had become a cliché. But who was I to talk, a brooding underdog avenger alone against an empire of evil, out to right a grave injustice. Everything was subjective. There were only personal apocalypses. Nothing is a cliché when it's happening to you.
I love the way those games are written.

>>384347618
that one for XxX Xbone X OneX Xeniax XanexXx X

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>>384375086
>Nothing is a cliché when it's happening to you.
Great line

>>384345102
>PC version fine or should I emulate ps2?

>>384362250
I know this feel.

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>>384361254
>That airport shootout with Tears playing

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>>384371134
That might be the best theme in vidya honestly

>>384377110
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u116HbMOF_Y
Love kills.

>>384357118
Am I the only one who didn't even play 2 because they changed the model for Max? It's just not the same.

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Max payne 2 is the comfiest fucking game i've ever played.
Also, the one of the most fun experiences i've ever had. I should replay 3 though, have replayed 1 and 2 after a long time recently and definitely prefer 2 over 1, it's just much more fun; unfortunately it's also short as fuck, need to see how 3 fares against those two again.

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>>384377543
I've heard people say it before, complaining about MP2 how some complain about MP3. There are legitimate criticisms but honestly you've missed out. Playing MP2 start to finish for the first time is amongst the most fun I've ever had. What a thrill ride.

Don't worry though, MP4 is on the way

Good thread with some valid opinions, I say.

I love MP2 in the coming-of-age sense. Max is older, McCaffrey is fucking spot on (like Madsen in Driv3r), although some people argue he's too distant from Lake. Both games aged decently enough, both 1 and 2 Comic-like cutscenes were brilliant.
The only downside I can think of that bugged me was that the weapons felt somehow weak to me. Or maybe it was the sound that bugged me. Only played vanilla.

>>384379103
>The only downside I can think of that bugged me was that the weapons felt somehow weak to me.
huh, the usual complain I see is that the game is too easy

what mods are there for MP2 anyways, I only know of the Kung-Fu one for MP1

1

>>384339051
>gameplay
1=2>3
>story
1>2>3
>Atmosphere
1>2>3
>music
don't know

>>384380423
yeah that too, it is pretty easy, but I felt sometimes that both enemies and myself are bullet sponges, and only way I would die is if I had glitched or got stuck in environment and got shot, not by usual means.

I know I much preffered the first's bullet time: A hard sudden slowdown, that you HAD to get kills to refill
2's was much different: It started off almost unnoticeable, but when you killed enemies Max sped up while other enemies slowed down, so it became a murder-fuelled timewarping. And I'm pretty sure it refilled on its own and shootdodging didn't cost any charge. And the spinning-reload was daft.

>>384379103
McCaffery's likeness isn't used in 2, only 3

>>384380790
>gameplay
>1=2>3
Bait

>>384380792
>but when you killed enemies Max sped up while other enemies slowed down, so it became a murder-fuelled timewarping
I agree that regenerating bullet time made it too easy, but I liked this part, I felt it was really rewarding

>>384381724
>weapon limit
>cover shooter
>whatever is the name for those QTE-ish moments like when he slides down a roof or something and the game slows down and you have to shoot something or you restart that moment
>after finishing the game once, replaying is a nightmare because of almost unskippable cutscenes

fuck that shit

>>384337278
>do you like perfection or do you like perfection
Both games are awesome.I like them both.

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>>384339051
Music was god damn amazing in 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J0OtECdtMQ

>>384337278
1, but they're both pretty amazing.

>>384339051
Gameplay:
1=2>3

Story
1>2>>>>3

Atmosphere
1>2>>>>3

Music
Can't really remember, except that 3's is the worst

>>384346685
>Gameplay:
>3>1=2
the gameplay in 3 was a neutered down version of the other two games. fuck off.

can't we agree that all 3 games are good in their own way ?

>>384384147
fuck you

>>384384462
Go fuck yourself

>>384384147
I loved all 3, but MP3 was easily the worst in almost every way.

>>384384147
I genuinely didn't like 3

>>384384767
That's fair

>>384384147
I never played 3 but I want to play it some time. Shooting looks good, writing looks... not exactly bad, but Missing The Point.

>>384384857
I'm on the same level as you. I'm afraid it will be too distant from the noir-york-cop theme.

Unrelated, anyone knows good torrented version that has no complicated cracks and shit?

I really cant decide, i love them all equally, even the 3rd game
Inb4 MUH UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENES

>>384385204
It's not even about lacking the Noir York, it's about taking itself too seriously and trying to be realistic and mature and reflecting real world topics... which is missing the point, IMO. Max Payne isn't straight crime drama. It's a bit more subtle.

>>384383349
This is almost movie-tier good. Reminds me of the quality of Manhunt's soundtrack.

I like that in 1 the diving is kind of clunky, so you have to be careful about using it or you'll be shot to death on the floor. I also like that you have to time your reloads around the bullet time so as not to waste it.

I don't get hy they made the bullet time the way it was in 2. It just seemed to make it less useful than in the first game. The instant reloads in bullet time also encourages hosing everyone down with whatever automatic weapon you have, rather than choosing the right guns for the situation and killing everyone as efficiently as you can.

3 feels good to play, but the weapon limit is a downgrade after the other two games. It also started to annoy me the Max switched his gun from hand to hand and turned his body when you move left and right. It lead to a small delay when trying to turn on a dime that meant you couldn't avoid bullets in bulletime, like you could in MP1. I think I underused the roll ability though, so that might be my bad.

The only problem with 3's plot is the absolute unmemorable characters. In 1, the characters are sort of come and go but they're memorable. I legit don't remember any of 3's new character, not even the mexican guy from the beginning. Carlos or something?

That being said, I like 3 plot enough. It wasn't the best shit and they going for more pulpy tone compared to the previous games was entertaining enough. I really like how they made Max to be a fucked up, to the point where literally everything Max did were total failures and his own faults, and him finally finding peace after what he's been through was satisfying. I found the Brazillian settings to be refreshing and didn't mind that the game wasn't set in another New York slums. And the Max's dialogues and performance has great moments as well.

3's is weaker than the first but not weaker than 2. I say both 2 and 3 are equal with their own problems.

>>384339051

Pretty much this OP. though id say the music for all 3 games is on par with one another

>>384385768
good post, Mr. McCaffrey

>>384385204
>>384384857
It's actually really good and I guarantee you will still enjoy it sans the New York cop setting

>>384380970
>>384382548
The fact that 3 goes back to 1 system was baffling to me. I think the reason why 2 has you speed up while everyone else slow down and regenerating bullet time meter was to fix the problem that the fact everyone always abusing shootdive mechanics.

>>384385364
>taking itself too seriously
It's 2's problem as well. Pretty sure most of 3's problems started with 2.

>>384387127
2 is the one that pokes the most fun at itself.
>those TV shows
>those dreams
>the whole Address Unknown stuff

>>384387245
2's plot takes itself too seriously because Sam Lake got obsessed with deep and thoughtful plot that he started to write it with is own ass.

2's plot is way too convoluted and the tone is too serious compared to 1's campy and self-aware tone.

>>384387484
>2's plot takes itself too seriously
Yes, but the game has plenty of content that pokes fun at it, as I described. That's what makes a Max Payne game, it's a personal apocalypse for Max, but the world pokes fun at him. And his monologues are still elaborate, cold and somewhat detached, like he describes with a cold voice the rise of rage in him when Vlad shoots Mona.
>I hated it. I welcomed it.

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>>384387484
>plot is way too convoluted
is this you?

>>384387127
MP2's story was serious, but the game had plenty of humor.

>>384387776
It maybe pokes fun of itself, with the point is the very dark tone with suffering is the point and we should laugh at it. I don't get it, because the game is just depressing, completely the opposite of the first game
>>384388068
It's convoluted in a way where Lake made the plot appears more complicated than it is. I think the main plot is Vlad wanting to take over Bowden's inner circle, but the game just make it more confusing that what it is with dream sequences, in media res, the twists on every moments, and yadda yadda. I supposed that's also the point, with Lake wanting to have a plot where it requires to play it several times to get it, to increase the replayability. I prefer 1 & 3 plot where it's just a straightforward easy to follow plot with enough twists and turn just make it enjoyable.
>>384388657
It does but I'm talking about the main tone, which is much more serious compared to the first one

>>384384147
I liked them all, but 3 is a mere "good" compared to "masterpiece" and "technological marvel".

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As much as I like these games you got to admit plot was never it's strongest point
1
>an Illuminati style group develops a drug that was supposed to enhance soldiers abilities, the project fails, but one of the members decides to distribute it through Italian Mafia, even though she's already rich and powerful; head of the Inner Circle tries to expose her by sending some incriminating documents to DA, where Max's wife sees them, and gets killed because of it, and it's not like Horne could make the whole thing go away without killing Michelle
2
>a Russian gangster somehow makes his way into the local Illuminati, is fed up with being just a pupil to group's leader, so he hires an army of commandos to murder the opposition, and has them pose as cleaners because reasons
3
>a corrupt politician tries to get his older brother's money and some sympathy votes by getting the local police and militia to do the dirty work for him; hires a cop from half across the world, known for his rampages, to act as a scapegoat

>>384388947
1 is pretty depressing, though? The situation is grim for Max.

>>384389061
>an Illuminati style group develops a drug that was supposed to enhance soldiers abilities, the project fails, but one of the members decides to distribute it through Italian Mafia, even though she's already rich and powerful; head of the Inner Circle tries to expose her by sending some incriminating documents to DA, where Max's wife sees them, and gets killed because of it, and it's not like Horne could make the whole thing go away without killing Michelle
The drug was developed by US Govt. and Horne literally risen on selling it.

>>384384015
you're acting as if MP was some hardcore shit and they somehow "neutered" a casual game

>>384340648
>MFW when Max Payne WAS one of my Sims.

>>384389225
1's is depressing but it was balanced with the campy, humorous, and lighter tone. Max's tragedy is pretty depressing but I always thought that it's just an excuse for the plot to get going (his family is dead, now he's out for revenge). Max in 1 is the cool badass guy who always quips and acted smug in the front of dangers. It's also helped that the plot is the simple action plot where's this cool action guy fighting the big bad corporation.

In later games, Max is the sad dude who obsessed with his dead family, a woman, alcohol, and painkiller that happens to be very good at shooting thugs. He's never "cool" in the sense of being just a badass action hero, which even adds the serious and depressing tone on 2 & 3.

Like imagine where they made a Commando sequel where Arnold is a depressing dude who obsessed that his daughter is now dead and now he's a failure. That's Max Payne 2.

>>384390284
Max isn't really badass in 1. He's "thin as a skeleton" and "Superman on cryptonite" who pursues revenge which ultimately leaves him feeling empty (as of 2). You can argue 2 amps up the drama, but it also gives Max some hope spots with Mona (if only to ultimately bring him down) and amps up the funny stuff as well.

I don't like Commando a lot. I get it, it's fine, bit I don't love it.

>>384390609
But he is a badass. He's your typical smug action hero in movies. He's a one man army who can take an entire building of soldier by himself. If we don't talk about what happen in 2, in the end he's just smugly smile because he knows that he can get away with everything that he done with no consequences whatsoever, thanks to Woden. That's why the poke fun with the whole concept of silliness with Dick Justice.

This is why 2 is serious compared to 1 in my eyes. In 2 most Max's action has some grave consequences and it paints that everything is Max's own fault. You don't really get that feeling when playing 1.

26TQR-E0Z7F-2K5N0

>>384391365
Thanks anon it's shit.

>>384390609
I never saw Mona as hope or anything desu. Their relationship was meant to be explosive and brief.

>>384339051
Agreed

>>384391437

either one of you fucks or the trashcan

always worth a try

>>384391321
>He's your typical smug action hero in movies
He kind of isn't. He's too self-aware. He's a mythical hero, not an action one, and tragedy goes hand in hand with those. Heracles, Jason, they all ended badly.
>he can get away with everything that he done with no consequences whatsoever, thanks to Woden
He has Woden's pervert sex tapes, yeah.

>>384391471
She is, compared to Max working as an automaton and then calling a sex hotline just because a call girl had the same name Mona did. Guy is properly miserable.

>>384337278

I quicksaved around every corner, quickloading every time I took any damage.

>>384388947
>Lake wanting to have a plot where it requires to play it several times to get it
you don't though. it's fairly straightforward. there are however hints and plot points that are well hidden. like the school name where vlad funded for charity is the same that witherspoon's son went to. or whatever her name was, I've forgotten.

>>384337278
The plot in 2 was stupid and the romance made no sense.
2 had some new technology stuff like shattering glass that was neat but didn't get used enough. But other than that, 1 was better in every way.

>>384391946
>didn't get used enough
>you could shoot through liqour bottles igniting the bullet and spreading fire
>enemies hit with a burning bullet would drop grenades
>environmental hazards hit with a burning bullet would explode
sounds like you never git gud

>>384391946
>romance made no sense
Yes it did.