TF2

Its not 'overpowered', but its certainly the most effective class in the game. So much so that its arguably the true scrub class.

>>384318312
>mobility at the cost of health, sometimes DPS too
b a l a n c e

>>384318312
>big as fuck hit box
>low walking speed
>must sacrifice health for high mobility
>long reload times on all his weapons
>low clip sizes

Anything else I missed?

THIS IS MY WORLD!
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY WORLD!

Hes what you're supposed to play, everything else is just a crutch or sidegrade class.

I thought this game was dead.

I want this game to die

>>384318597
How about the fact that he still has massive advantages against most of the rest of the classes even with those "weaknesses".

>>384318817
Fuck off and die yourself

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>>384318312
For him to be used effectively requires more skill. Rewarding better players with a higher skill ceiling and more viable side-classes. Someone new to the game will be more effective with pyro or heavy than soldier but a more skilled player will excel with soldier deservedly so.

>>384318873
what's with pyro hate?

>>384319063
Notorious for being a scrub-enabler due to the w+m1 meme

>>384319063
the majority of people who play pyro are very, very bad at pyro.

>mods deleted the other TF2 thread with more posts
what the fuck

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>>384318873
>Someone new to the game will be more effective with pyro.. than soldier
That is a load of shit.

Pyro is so underpowered right now that literally every other class is more effective at close-range combat. I main Pyro and I ALWAYS do better when I switch to Soldier.

All you gotta do to be an effective Soldier is aim in the general direction of the enemy team and press M1. Soldier is the most accessible class in the game right now.

Wait what? Are we in a state of TF2 now where soldier is viewed as OP? Christ what did valve do to this game

>>384318873
>Someone new to the game will be more effective with pyro
>this chart

Pyro has the highest skill ceiling of the game though.
>airblasting rockets
>flare follow-ups

>>384319063
Pyro has been a fucked class since 2007.

>retards w+m1 and still get rewarded for it
>smarter pyros are still heavily reliant on gimmicks rather than sheer power of demo, solly, and scout (also see: spy).
>flamethrower range is decided by latency thanks to particles
>airblast is annoying and not useful enough to warrent use of him at any point of comp
>was the only class where running stock primary was considered gimping yourself for years until the degreaser nerf

>>384318873
>Implying Sniper doesn't have a higher skill ceiling

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>>384318312
literally any scout worth his salts can kill a soldier.

that's why this game went to shit. Pyro is the most overpowered class in all of existence, but no on wants to ever admit it. And Valve just continually gave him more and more shit making him more and more overpowered.

>>384318312
Hey thats my main!

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I just want the original Backburner back.

Valve pls.

>>384320137
>extra fifty health
good fucking god valve couldn't into balance

>>384320137
I haven't played TF2 in ages
I know the backburner can blast now, but at a greater cost
Doesn't it still crit from behind?
That extra 50 health must've been nice too

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>>384319798

>>384320137
>Crits from behind
>Extra 50 HP
That's fucking ridiculous

I think the mods just got rid of a jerma thread. WTF is going on.

>>384318312
The problem with Soldier, Demo and Scout is that they are always useful on a team. They aren't nearly as specialized as the other classes, and as such every fucking team needs a multitude of them or they will be fucked over. They have counters of course, but they are the ones who define the meta not because they are too good in any one area, but because they are all-around good at everything.

It becomes hard to nerf them though, because they're just "good" but they're never anything less than good, where as other classes have places where they are detrimental.

>>384319063
because people are upset that there is a class that is considered weak but still managed to kill them.

So when someone kills them they don't think "holy fuck I got killed by a joke class" they think "h-hes just a bad player that plays a class mindlessly!"

kind of like when someone gets killed by a hunstman they scream lucksman.

>>384320608
They deleted the other TF2 thread that had more posts than this thread, idk what is going on.

WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO GET ANOTHER BAN WAVE? FUCK CHEATERS

>>384319435
Hope this is a joke

>>384320137
backburner is the fucking shit on defense.

>all these side paths for me to get behind the enemy
>they're always focussed on shit like sentries
>maps are designed to give blu flank but they also work for red
>players running away are free crits

best thing to pair with an engy. The airblast cost is negligible with a dispenser.

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>>384318312
Please let this meme die, despite all those neat things you said, you're forgetting that soldier has slow rockets with a lot of damage fall off so unless you jump in people's faces demoman will do a better job at dps. Also the only reason people run 2 soldiers is because demoman has a class limit of 1, if that were not the case you would see 2 Demos and 1 soldier.

>call a furfag shit
>he turns on hacks and starts aimbotting and crit boosting
>wreck him anyway
when the fuck are people like this going to get banned?

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>>384320848
Are the mods trying silence the tf2 fans?
The world may never know.

>>384321043
>backburner and detonator for them sick jumps into places you really shouldn't be
>backburner and scorch shot for smaller jumps that can still you get you where you don't belong, but also for bouncing people around and setting fire to small groups

This kind of shit is what Pyro is for.

>>384321270
too bad the shotgun is just always better.

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>>384318536
>high mobility
>high AOE

Nice meme

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>>384318312
>playing Heavy
>ambush a Soldier from the side and engage in a 1v1
>before I can finish him off, he rocket jumps away
I understand that rocket jumping is a display of skill and everything but I can't help but feel cheated out of a kill. That would've taken down any other class in game.

>>384321206
>has the ability to easilly get in your face
>yeah but the rockets are slow at long range

>decide to look at my blocklist
>over half are VAC banned
>the rest were annoying cunts that I didn't want to deal with again
how's your block list /v/?

>>384321454
Sounds like you fumbled the kill. Improve your tracking, scrub.

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Yeah soldier is OP
He is easy af
That's why /v/ loves him

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>>384318873
accurate, thnx fellow 6's bro!

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>>384320559
The original Backburner was fucking amazing, as was the Axtinguisher.

Playing Pyro right after the Pyro update back in 2008 were some of the most fun times I've ever had with the game.

>>384321832
I don't understand why they don't revert the axesting change when the degreaser has been nerfed.

I never want to see the degreaser sting combo, but this just unfair.

>>384322034
all they need to remove from the Axtinguisher is the weapon swap and swing speed, like christ. At the very least bring it back to
>mini crits from the front
>full crits from behind

>>384322079
I would honestly want the reverse, pyro backstabs are retarded

>>384321472
Yes if the soldier dives you he is a problem, but again Demoman can do that too and he doesnt need to dive to be useful. Stop playing pubs please.

>>384322034
degreaser should have never been added into the game

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Hey /v/,
yore
ugleh

>>384318312
I see TF2 as sorta occupying the same space as World of Warcraft. Like "people literally still play this in 2017?" tier shit

>>384322202
you know?

I actually agree with this, instant switch combos are horrible. the only class that should do rediculous burst damage at close range is the heavy. Pyro should do sustained high damage at close range but nothing like a flare sting 300+ damage combo.

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>>384322219

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*Comes your way*
*shit out crit*
*sends you flying*
*shit out another crit*

>>384322416
>/v/ complains about soldier but thinks random crits are fine

>>384322219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy5iT4aarKg

>>384322171
Demo can't as well, considering he has less health to work around with, and doesn't have the crutchboats to run away like a bitch if he flubs up.

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>spy facestabs you

It's fucking ridiculous how pyro gets so much crits

>mini crits for airblasts
>full crits for being behind someone
>full crits on shit ton of weapons for setting someone on fire
>guaranteed crits for putting your team out of fire

Sure, the flare guns and variants are pretty weak, but guaranteed crits are just fucking stupid. It's like you're being rewarded for doing the minimal amount of skill.

Soldier is too good in literally every fortress game ever made. Picking anything else is often a display of stupidity. It's why I stopped playing years ago, the games have no variety.
It's not even necessarily him being too good, it's every other class just being bad in comparison.

>>384322501
I unironically think random crits are fine but crit chance should stick at zero if you haven't done any damage.

>>384322501
I swear at this point I only get killed by random crits, I wish they would just reduce the percentage further, or something, i dunno.

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>>384318817

It is dead. It's the same people making these threads/responding to them everyday.

Don't ask how I know this.

Reminder that Engineer is /ourguy/

>>384322702
there's like 50k people playing right now you stupid faggot

>>384322621
>spy gets ready to corner stab
>see this shit coming from a mile away
>don't even cross through the door
>litterally turn my face the opposite direction so I'm facing where hes going to stab me
>I stop moving just to be sure
>Hell I even shoot him
>backstabbed!

>>384318312
Pieces of shit.

>>384322627
sounds like sniper

>>384322783

Who cares.

>>384319063
Mostly people who hate getting lit on fire because they find it an annoying way to die. Pyro is a legitimately bad class who has only gotten worse recently due to some idiotic nerfs but to say Pyro takes zero skill to play is a lie. You can pubstomp handily as Pyro if you know what you're doing.

>>384322781
No he isn't

The entire purpose of engie is to set up teles and be annoying. He's a crutch meant for new players to get used to the game before they switch to more potent classes.

>>384322862
Do you really believe pyro takes more skill than sniper?

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>>384322501
I want that shit of out Casual. It ain't fun getting crited across the map by luiz.sanchez2004 and his tomislav

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>>384322868
>it's dead
>here's a player count that disproves that
>Who cares.

>>384323002
>stand still all game
>flick my cursor over peoples head
>sometimes move because I can't see anyone to shoot

hes like the engineer while fucking off but has even less game sense.

>>384322696
well that follows doesn't it

>get hit with a stray rocket
>ow
>scamper off to get health

>get hit with a stray crocket
>gibbed

>>384323032

Doesn't disprove anything. 50k is nothing. Overwatch has over 10 million people playing it daily.

Your meme game is ded. Deal with it.

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>>384318312
>High mobility
At the cost of some of his Health.
>High health
100 lower than Heavy, only marginally higher than Demo and even Medic. He'll still die in 2 pills.
>high DPS
Actually, surprisingly no. Scout has better DPS and Demo has better DPS.
>high AoE
Almost all AoE attacks are identical in size. Demoman has AoE as well.

Soldier has a large hitscan hitbox, the game's second lowest ground speed, long reload times, a small clip size, and is not actually the best in any area- Demoman has the most powerful blast jumping, Scout has the most overall mobility, Heavy has the highest HP and Spy has the highest possible DPS.

Stock Soldier is balanced alongside stock Demoman, stock Scout, and stock Sniper.

The only thing overpowered about Soldier is the Disciplinary Action, Escape Plan, and Reserve Shooter.

Apart from that, he's a balanced class, and it's more an issue of Spy and Pyro being underpowered and Engineer/Heavy being too skewed to defense and too weak on offense.

>>384322202
Here's a nerf to degreaser to put it in the ground even more:
>other weapons with afterbun effects, like flare guns and sharpened volcano fragment, will have their afterburn damage set to the degreaser's afterburn damage: 1 per tick.
Bada-bing-bada-boom the weapon goes into the ground.

>>384323193
Million flies anon

>>384320137
>tfw literally no reason to use the stock flamethrower when the degreaser exists
kill me, I still used stock because I liked the model more

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>>384323193

>over 10 million people playing it daily.

>>384323193
>Brings OW into the argument despite no one mentioning it
Remember when people in the Overwatch thread complained about comparisons between TF2 and OW?

>>384323237
>He'll still die in 2 pills.

but he'll survive 4 melees vs 3, 3 shotty blasts vs 2, 4 stray rockets vs 3

like people use the batallions backup because 20 Hp lets him survive even more bullshit.

I love how Pyro is simultaneously regarded as both the most overpowered class and the weakest class in the game. People can't seem to grasp the concept of a close range class being deadly at close range and shit at medium/long range.

It's like bitching about the sniper because hes too powerful at distance.

>>384323372
>muh similarities

Nobody cares.

>>384323243
>afterburn is nerfed

I mean who cares really?

>>384323427
Pyro and Spy are both really lackluster beyond pub level play.

>>384323193
>9.9 million korean/chinese internet cafe players
>100k legitimate players who you are actually liable to see in NA/EU matchmaking

>>384323427
People bitch about the sniper because the only reliable way to deal with sniper is a sniper.

>>384318312
>Slow as fuck
>His options at close range are rawket launchair and shotgun

>No one ever picks the shotgun despite it being the best if you're solo
That's why.

Is the phlog still basically a direct upgrade thanks to flame particle fuckery

>>384323482
>making shit up

Sad.

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>>384323442
>S-stop replying

>>384322592
So is your argument soldier is op because he can dive? In which case soldier is useless when hes not diving which is a good chunk of the time.

>>384323509
Black box+conch is just too fun. My shotty can stay with pyro and engy.

>>384322868
>it's dead
>no it's not here's proof
>who cares
blown the fuck out

>>384323509
I use the stock shotgun. In fact I'd say TF2's stock shotgun is one of the best shotguns I've ever used in vidya, it's just so damn practical and reliable.

>>384323427
>It's like bitching about the sniper because hes too powerful at distance.

yeah but
>powerful at long range
>no other class is powrful at long range
>sometimes you can't even see him and he kills you
>can't retaliate at all

>>384323635

Proof that it's dead, yes.

>>384323539

Do you mean cowmangler? If so, no, the damage dealt to buildings is shit, and makes you pretty much useless against a Lvl. 3 in pubs.

>>384323539
>he doesn't know

phlog spawns invisible flame particles that are the same as the flamethrowers and registers those.

The phlogs beam thing is irrelevent.

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>>384318312

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>>384318873
>sniper pyro low skill
>heavy engy low usefulness

I like soldier, but Scout is my favorite class.
1v1 soldier, Scout is gonna win almost every time if he knows what he is doing. The only exception is if the soldier packed a good close-range shotgun.
That said, Scout is still out of his league 99% of the time because of team dynamics everywhere except CTF and who the fuck plays CTF anymore

>>384323502
>not a Scout or Soldier using their mobility to either find ways around the Sniper's line of sight or being really hard to reliably headshot

>>384323509
Soldier is able to propel himself at light speed across the map, and almost always has a shotgun

>>384323641
The game is balanced around the shotgun.

Like I'm 100% certain its balanced around this and all other damage is just modified off the shotguns damage and their firing and mag sizes are reduced/buffed accordingly

>>384318312
I can't, Soldier is objectively the strongest class.

>>384323624
I wasn't really talking about overall OP there. I'm not the guy you responded to. I'm just saying soldier is way better at diving than Scottish man of drunken niggerdry. Though Gunboats are still a really gay secondary.

>>384318312
>slow reload
>cuts potential damage by 25% per rocket for mobility on top of about 60 HP
>has to drop his shotgun to reduce the HP cost, further lowering his immediate damage output
>shit melee selection, at least after the equalizer was split and then later nerfed
He's pretty good and a jack of all trades but he's not OP.

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>>384323842
I can believe it, there was another really good shooter balanced around a shotgun too.

>>384323746
this thing is stupid but most people are trash

Kind of like Sniper but there is no DH aimbot to let you autowin

>>384323427
to be fair sniper needs to fuck off and be deleted already
the only counter to sniper is a sniper

>>384323842
Yeah thats why Tf2 sucks. Everything in this game doesn't do jack shit unless its close range and the only things that arn't close range are considered op like the Sticky-bomb launcher and the Sniper

>>384323778
>not holding decisive chokepoints where your engies and team are covering flanks, and shooting scoots and soldiers anyway because I'm not using a controller

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>idiots freak out over their mic when you dominate them with default weapons and loadouts

best feeling

>>384323778
>Soldier is able to propel himself at light speed across the map,
At the cost of most of his HP and still with less mobility than a scout or a demoman. I would argue that a scout is better equipped to fight rocket jumpers than the sniper because he can chase and catch them as they land.
>and almost always has a shotgun
Again, no one picks the shotty. Everyone wants the banner, the conch, or the boots. Which is his demise, ultimately.
This is only not true if you're facing someone with some weird meme build like the rocket jumper + shotgun + market gardener. If you're fighting a gimmick build, then all of his effectiveness goes out the window anyway.

>>384323778

Rocket Jumping is not viable without the Gunboats, and you completely fuck over your team by stealing all the healthpacks.

"Roam" Soldiers are cancer.

>>384323982
projectile aimbots are a thing anon

>>384323746
i'm laughing hard here

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>>384318474
>Its not 'overpowered', but its certainly the most effective class in the game

(stock) Soldier is balanced because the group of classes he is equally strong as is the biggest. He goes even with stock Demo, stock Scout, and stock Sniper.

However, he has no risk on selection because nobody soft counters him, while every other class bar Medic has a dedicated soft counter. So he is a useful pick out of spawn 100% of the time.

>>384323842
Wouldn't surprise me, that's how TFC was balanced. That's why every class in TFC got a shotgun or a super shotgun.

>>384324021
I remember when the sticky bomb launcher had no ramp up and a blast larger than the rocket
and it's still batshit powerful because of it's ability to be spammed
fuck the sticky launcher, bring back the throw-able dynamite

>>384324082
>tfw I was banned for "huntsman aimbotting"

>>384324074
So what does it mean if I stick close to my team, protect the medics, whip slow classes to the front, and let more injured players take medkits before me?

>>384324185
>tfw saw a guy get VAC banned mid match while huntsman aimbotting
>everyone was defending him prior to that
shit was hilarious, I love rubbing it in people's faces

>>384323995
Or a butterfly knife
Or a flaregun
Or a Quickiebomb launcher

>>384324115
>EVERY GAME SHOULD GO EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, ALL THE MAPS SHOULD BE 10 BY 10 GRIDS OF FEATURELESS GRASSLANDS SO NO CLASSES HAVE AN ADVANTAGE

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>>384318312
Slow as shit and easy to hit. The slowness of his primary weapon makes it completely ineffective against any aware enemy at long range, and the self damage makes it risky in close quarters. You either have to catch enemies off guard, or engage in his limited sweet spot. He is very effective in overcrowded servers, but at that point demoman is a better choice.

>>384324207

It means that you are lying, I've never met a gunboats user that cared about his teammates other than his pocket, they prefer targetting the worst of the opposing team for racking up points instead of going for the objective.

>>384324385
looks nice.

>>384324278
>counter


am interested though how quickiebomb launcher counters him.

>>384324278
>he thinks half of those can deal with a good sniper
face it there's nothing fair about a 450 damage class that can dish it out at literally any range, there's a reason why aimbots use him. Spy can barely counter them anymore as is because people naturally know to expect them now.

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>>384324385
I like my detective noir too much to try and Unusual hunt for spy.

>>384324385
Blood on the Risers/10

>>384319063
Is there a correct way on playing Pyro

>>384324517
*tips detective noir*

also those shades are fucking hideous

>>384324480
>tfw a razorback sniper sits ontop of a sentry nest while being overhealed by a vaccinator medic

>>384324517
does you knife have a description?
if so what is it.

>>384324649
the vaccinator should be ignored by spy primaries desu

>>384324608
never get any kills

>>384324115
stop posting that shit image

>>384324429
Good thing I don't use gunboats. Gimme a shotgun any day.

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>>384324385

>>384324608
stick with your team. use the flamethrower for groups, stop projectiles from killing your team, pull out the shotgun on low health classes.

>>384323391
>4 melees vs 3
That's never really relevant. If you somehow manage to melee a Soldier 4 times without him blowing you up you're fighting a real retard and you could probably kill him with anything.
>3 shotty blasts vs 2
>4 stray rockets vs 3
This is true. I'll give you that. It's still only milliseconds worth of difference, though. And it entirely depends on what range the enemy is attacking from. If they're just a smidgen further away sometimes the Demo will die in the exact same amount of hits as Soldier.
>like people use the batallions backup because 20 Hp lets him survive even more bullshit.
Battalion's Backup is actually his least used Banner.

Soldier secondaries are used in this order of popularity, which is roughly the same both in comp and pubs:
(Most popular)
>Shotgun
>Gunboats
>Concheror
>Buff Banner
>Reserve Shooter
>Battalion's Backup
>Panic Attack
>Mantreads
>Righteous Bison
(Least popular)
>>384323427
Anyone who calls Pyro "overpowered" can be safely disregarded as mentally defective.

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>>384323193
>b-but overwatch
who cares.

>>384324469
Quickiebomb does two things, it gains damage as it gets range, and it's fast enough where you can stack at least two at the sniper's feet.
If a sniper sees a quickiebomb and doesn't move to counter it immediately, he's dead. If he tries aiming at the corner you're lobbing them at in hopes of getting a bodyshot; he's going to get two of them at his feet and he will die.
If you're smart about evading his scope, you can get those two magic quickies at his feet and gib him. It's only a problem when you go against danger shield snipers because they take three. This is actually my preferred method of countering because snipers are notoriously unaware for anyone who isn't a spy, a sniper, or a scout.

>>384324480
Tell me how a butterfly knife, a quickiebomb launcher, or a flaregun can not counter a sniper.
450 or not, all you have to do is put something else on his mind and he's either too distracted to get that 450 or he's busy with other little problems that slowly amount until he dies.

>>384324624
I replaced the shades with the chicago overcoat last night, am pretty happy with the new look, but figured I wouldn't log in for a totally new pic right before running out the door.

>>384324660
"Thanks to Source's awful hit detection, I have no idea if this will kill you until swung"

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>>384323509
>>384323509
>>384323509
>>No one ever picks the shotgun
BULLSHIT ALERT
Shotgun is Soldier's most popular pub secondary and second most popular comp secondary.

>>384321437
a lot of people like to talk shit about heavy but once a heavy enters that battlefield that isn't an incompetent f2p no one can stop him.

>>384324767
>it gains damage as it gets range
do you mean charge?

and unless you charge it twice you can't land it on a sniper, and you can't charge it fast enough for him to not notice the first one?

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>>384324720

Then why did you reply? I also use the shotgun or the Reserve Shooter to mess with the Gunboats faggots, I don't really mind fighting agains them, they are easy to kill, but having one as a teammate is a pain in the ass.

>>384324815
nice knife.

>>384324517
Fedora?
>Yep
Sorry, I just hate the 'cool' spy hats a whole lot. Familiar fez or bust

>>384324767
>Tell me how a butterfly knife, a quickiebomb launcher, or a flaregun can not counter a sniper.
>butterfly knife
have to be dry humping the sniper, good luck getting past his entire team, and hope that he isn't being baby sat or wearing a razorback
>flare gun
not a counter at all, way less easier to hit a sniper with than vice versa
>quickie bomb launcher
have to be well within nade range, and hope he doesn't blow your head off the second he sees you shooting your stickies.

A good sniper isn't going to be near the front, he's going to be in the back, or near an engineer

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>>384324339
Pic related.

It's entirely possible to have balanced choices while those choices are still interesting and diverse. Look at fightan games and Starcraft.
>>384324717
I'll stop posting it the day the game becomes balanced and the potential for stalemates is removed. If you disagree with it, you're the shit one and don't know jack about the game.

>>384324876
He needs a Medic up his ass for it. Get a good Sniper and the Heavy becomes irrelevant.

>>384324876
if he has a medic sure, but if fair is fair you could have two people shoot at the heavy. and thats like two shots to kill him. hell splash would kill the medic with two soldiers.

>>384324339
Are you seriously arguing against balanced characters in a game?

>>384324876
needs a medic m8, otherwise most classes can shit on him

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>>384324876

>>384324898
>do you mean charge?
You mean range.
You need charge to get range.
>and unless you charge it twice you can't land it on a sniper,
You charge it twice and land it on a sniper. It's that easy. The only way they're escaping is if they de-scope and leave. If they do that, you win.

>>384324912
Because I like discussing soldier shit with people, and it's nice to see soldiers that are team players

>>384324049
>>384324074
The entire point is to pogo to a fixed spot with medkits to mitigate the damage taken, Soldier's mobility is about map-traversing rather than combat.

>>384324993
>have to be dry humping the sniper
Really isn't that hard. In fact, spy was made to counter sniper.
Are we going to pretend that getting past the enemy team is hard now with things like the cloak and dagger and the dead ringer? It becomes a problem when you're trying to mingle in the front lines and things are bumping into you. Not when you're at the back and you only have to worry about the occasional pyro leaving spawn and seeing you on the heads-up glow

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underpowered

>>384325085
I would honestly have to see it to believe it, but I'll try it later.

>>384324608
flank and ambush, kill spies, if you're using backburner play like a spy except you can fight back

>>384325186
If you have to pogo to a medkit, then what good are you doing your team?
You may as well just put on the gunboats and do liberty launcher bounces all match for all the good it does.

>>384325194
>Really isn't that hard.
did the part about
>razorback
>medic with vacc
>staying near an engie
careen right past you?
Most smart snipers will be near or using one of those 3, and all 3 together is just a clusterfuck.
I know spy is supposed to counter sniper, but all it takes is one minor fuckup to get caught and then the sniper will always be aware of you.

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>>384324480
>>384323995
>>384323656
The thing that people forget when they talk about Sniper is they assume a perfect player is using him.

That's obviously not true. Very few players are good enough to consistently headshot moving targets enough of the time to make Sniper a worthwhile choice relative to other classes.

That's why Sniper is actually balanced. He definitely has low counterplay, I won't disagree with that. And he has some overpowered unlocks (Danger Shield, Jarate, Sydney Sleeper in a comp environment, and Machina on certain maps).

But the stock Sniper class is not overpowered.

>>384325195
I'll say it again
give it infinite explosions to fix it.

as it is right now it does the same damage as a skull cutter. and the thing doesn't even crit.
Fuck give it infinite explosions and random crits.

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>>384325151
>mfw reminded of all the fun of playing cloak and dagger spy and just bodyblocking on that one Halloween map with the pit and the healthkit suspended above it

>>384325268
Give it a shot, it's worked wonders for me. If you stay outside of a 30 degree cone, they'll never see you.

>>384325186

>pogo to a fixed spot with medkits to mitigate the damage taken

That's why I said, you are indirectly kiling your teammates by stealing all the health.

>>384325290
Has your dumb ass ever watched the game played competitively? Soldier is either doing it to roam the map and flank the enemy team or for a really fast deploy.

>>384325340
Its honestly not that hard to get to aimbot levels.
A week of practice at most.

>>384325340
I just want sniper to have more counters, he's the most annoying class in the game purely because of his ability to kill everything in one (potential) hitscan hit.
>talking about snipers
>captcha is KENNEDY
wew

>>384325195
I think it was OP bullshit before and deserved to be nerfed, but they nerfed it too hard. Now it's worse than Bottle.

They should buff the explosion damage or make it recharge, or something.

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name a better, non-faggy heavy loadout.
>pro tip: you can't

>>384324741
one on right is not bad

>>384325459
make it do 127 damage, flat, no ramp up or ramp down, enough to kill a sniper but not a medic
no one cares about sniper mains anyway

>>384325403
Your teammates don't need it, they have a medic.

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>>384325512
here is two

>>384325338
>careen right past you?
Link the post that replied to me which talked about an actual shitter team who is devoting an engineer, a sentry, and a medic all to support a single sniper.
Because no such post was ever made that quoted me or even mentioned any of my posts. This is a new element in this conversation. Did someone bring that hypothetical to you?

Also you just described a really shitty team. For those three characters who are supporting a stationary turret who can only cover one part of the map, you can go one soldier, one heavy, and a medic and blow the rest of their team away and just take the objective.

That's a bizarre hypothetical I've never seen actually come up because no one, not even pub teams, are dumb enough to try it.

>>384325420
>Has your dumb ass ever watched the game played competitively?
Lol, probably more than you
>Soldier is either doing it to roam the map and flank the enemy team or for a really fast deploy.
And is immediately countered because he's going away from his team.
Fast deploy only works if the enemy team hasn't deployed yet. So you're describing an early game strategy. Big whoop. Are you going to complain about scout hustles, next?

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>>384318873
>pyro that low on either spectrum

>>384325619

>This is the common mentality of a gunboats user

I bet you shittalk too.

>>384325626
>Link the post that replied to me which talked about an actual shitter team who is devoting an engineer, a sentry, and a medic all to support a single sniper.
you misunderstand, on payload, A/D or anything that isn't 5CP or CTF, the sniper will be getting babysat, he's less of a problem in 5CP or CTF, but a massive issue in the actual fun modes, simply because the nature of A/D means that snipers can hang in the back with the engineers and snipe with impunity.

>>384325747
>pyro mains complain about their location on the spectrum

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>>384325512
Hello there.

>>384325747
pyro is getting an update for a reason
he's the weakest buggiest class in the game and the only thing he excels at is being easy for shitters to play.

Also man, I'm really sad talking TF2 tactics because I love the game at a base level but I hate everything about it in practice.
Hey guys want to go on one of the million comp servers that are completely empty? Or how about just casual queue where literally nothing happens? Community servers? What are those?

It's like Valve has made the perfect game that I like but has engineered it in such a way to be as unfun as possible.

This thread is making me depressed reading it and thinking "ooh that's a good strategy, I should use it next time I play."

But the truth is:
I'm probably never going to play again.

>>384325429
That's simply not true. Are you shitposting?
It is so hard to reach top tier levels of Sniping that at the last competitive LAN, only 1 out of 6 teams chose to run a permanent Sniper instead of a Scout, Demo, Soldier or Medic.
>>384325442
>I just want sniper to have more counters
If Valve nerfs some of Sniper's secondaries, he'll have more counters again. Stock Sniper wielding SMG has plenty of counters, but Sniper wearing a secondary gets to selectively eliminate some of his counters for very little effort.

We know that Razorback and DDS are getting nerfed, which is good. Machina could probably stand to have a small nerf too.

Jarate still needs to be nerfed because it's almost impossible to dodge it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hYZbyUK170 and the explosion radius is twice the size of a regular rocket/grenade explosion. It allows Sniper to get rid of things that are meant to counter him like afterburn flinching, enemies at close range (when comboed with Bushwacka), and Spies.

Olivia a cutest

Olivia a sexiest

Olivia a best

>>384320848
Gotta make room for more trap threads and
>game does X
>le funneh reaction pic

>>384324876
backstab'd

>>384325459
recharging on ammo pickup would probably be ideal

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>>384324876
good thing I'm not incompetent

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>>384325029
yeah thats the point. most people can't take on a heavy by themselves, no one is immune to sniper or spy. just know how to track your opponent with your mini gun, try to stay in close to mid range and you got a bad sandvich eater to deal with.

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>>384324385

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>>384325885
>Community servers? What are those?
TF2 has a thriving community competitive scene with 100,000+ players.

You're getting the official Valve competitive (which nobody plays) mixed up with the community competitive scene (Highlander and Sixes, which heaps of people still play).

http://playcomp.tf/

Community servers make up 50% of TF2's population. Come join us in lobbies.

>>384325928
I actually want his SMGs buffed, they're pretty fucking weak, but fun to use.
I can't wait for the razorback and DDS nerf, it will get rid of overhealing the bastard and the bullet resistance
>that jarate radius
just reduce radius by like 1/3 if this is the actual radius

>>384325928
>That's simply not true. Are you shitposting?

100% serious.
its like any other talent you just need to know how to build it up quickly.

>>384325837
>you're not allowed to criticize some meme graph
>retards will assume you're the main of said class you're commenting on

>>384326076
Wouldn't it just automatically refresh every time you killed someone then, since people drop ammo kits on death?

>>384326120
>hey regular TF2 is dead, come join our dead (2% of total playerbase) competitive mode
Seriously dude?

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>>384324115
>engineer isn't good on offense
found the shitter
the gunslinger, widowmaker, and short circuit exist you know

>>384326195
they only drop 50% right? could need full metal.

>>384326113
Why green? why not a nice prussian blue?

>>384326258
>tfw going offensive engie on payload
>friend goes full engie, i go gunslinger
>defenders can't remove our cancer
Engineer is so fucking fun

>>384326126
If you could master skills that quickly you would not be here on this site talking about it, I assure you.

How angry would pyro mains be if airblast was removed from the degreaser?

>>384326368
only here for a few minutes

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>>384326258
>three crutch weapons at once
How to spot a pub goer.

>>384326121
I wouldn't want to see the SMGs buffed since I feel stock Sniper is a balanced class, but I would like to see a primary that makes the SMGs stronger at an expense to the primary, because that would be a fun bit of alternate weaponry.
>just reduce radius by like 1/3 if this is the actual radius
Yeah, that's what I'd like to see happen. Then you could actually dodge Jarate, which is basically impossible at the moment.
>>384326126
Well anon, no matter how easy you claim it is to become "aimbot level" at Sniper, pretty much nobody does, any more than they become aimbot level at projectile classes. So he's balanced in that regard.

WHY IS TF2 GETTING CONSTANT THREADS AGAIN

WHAT YEAR IS ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>384326469
what i mean by buffed it shit like a little improved accuracy or some extra ammo, the damage itself is fine.

>>384326405
Not as mad as the combo makes you right now (^:

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>>384326467
>widowmaker
>a crutch
I'll give you the other two, but you've gotta aim it.

>>384326538
i never mentioned a combo in my post :?

>>384326512
yuuuuge update expected within the next couple weeks

>>384326551
Man I still remember when the widowmaker used 60 metal per shot
those were dark days

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>>384326245
Regular TF2 isn't dead. 1,800,000 people played in the last two weeks.
https://steamspy.com/app/440
>2% of total playerbase
It doesn't matter how small a percentage of the total playerbase it is, 100,000 people playing is still a big number on its own.

There are more people playing TF2 competitive than there are people playing Quake 3 Arena, Quake Live, Quake 1, 2, and 4, and Quake CPMA combined.

The ONLY reason a game's population size is relevant is how long it takes you to find a game. Logs.tf records a new community competitive game being played every two minutes.

http://logs.tf/

So, yeah, I don't get what you're complaining about. TF2 community competitive has heaps of people playing it still. If you actually do want to play, and you're not just complaining, then come and play.
>>384326258
Talking about the stock classes, dumbass.

>>384325082
>scope
>being able to zoom in that much
I wish.

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>>384318312
>>high DPS
Yeah. If you can actually hit your target when everybody is jumping around like spider-monkeys with one big shot and a slow reload.

Why am I so worthless /v/?

>>384321832
What valve should do is bring back the old soda popper, it's such a pain to kill people just for those extra jumps.

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>>384327114
blizzard cannot fucking balance
their way of balancing is to just make everything equally shit

>>384324608
honestly, stock flamethrower, stock shotgun, whateverfuckingmelee.
ignite the enemy, airblast if you need to put some distance on them/chuck them somewhere predictable and swap to shotgun and pump them up with lead. so many flareshitters have forgotten how good stock shotgun is and debateably better than reserve shooter with the extra 2 shots at your disposal.
abuse the fuck out of corners/tight areas, you want your enemy to be shitting themselves from the get go. afterburn on stock is actually really good, and in the heat of the situation it can really put the pressure on while it's ticking down as you're shotgunning them.

ngl, flamethrower isn't that strong of a primary in most situations, especially against heavies or soldiers/demos with pocket meds. if you want to get a lot of kills off you need to supplement it with your secondary, and stock shotgun is the best at this with its range and damage output on singular targets.

>>384324876
a heavy is like a vanilla wow warrior, with a a few healer he is almost unstoppable
the solder is like a rogue, can kill anyone with out any help with almost no effort

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>>384326258
>He thinks that because he can beat braindead pub players that the Engineer must be amazing on offense
Haha yeah did you catch the sick offensive Engineer plays at Rewind LAN?

>>384326939
>wanting even smaller tunnel vision

>>384318597
Projectile attack primary rather than hitscan. Although in a very few situations it's an upside, most of the time having a projectile attack that the enemy can dodge (rather than a hitscan that they can't) is a weakness.

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>>384327314
>Fiery Jinx
all you need now is a witches hat or something similar

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>>384327330
>playing a imbalanced game competitively
If you have to ban a good chunk of weapons and are forced to follow the same rollouts/meta every time, how are you really having fun?

>>384326405
nonstop screeching, same with any degreaser nerf
even though it probably needs it if their plan is to buff stock into non joke weapon territory

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>>384327314
I swear to christ there is never such a thing as a good pyro loadout, it's always hues of pink and purple

>>384318312
Just play scout? Scout soft-counters soldier.

>>384318873
None of the fancy rocket jumping shit that soldiers do in comp is necessary in pubs. Just shoot at people's feet and harass sentries and you'll carry teams.
Even the pyro at least has to be near people to easily kill them, soldier does it at mid-range.
Heavy is literally the only combat class in the game that takes less skilll to play than soldier.

Other people being able to do fancy shit with the soldier doesn't make you a pro just for playing him. Your class is braindead EZmode, deal with it.

>>384318597
>hitbox is relatively average
>rocket jumping
>the gunboats, the medic class
>rockets do a lot of damage
>full clip is enough to kill most classes from mid range

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>>384327416
He's got two and neither of them look that good plus I couldn't wear the hair with them
>>384327454
Is it any better if I'm doing it to look like a purple and pink character

>>384320137
>guaranteeing critical hits when used from behind

Really hope particles get unfucked/swapped with something else this update so this actually becomes true.

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>>384327454
I like this loadout of mine. It's the closest I could get it to looking like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swhAv9VcBWc and plasmamen from SS13. It's goofy lookin'.

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>>384327446
>If you have to ban a good chunk of weapons
Competitive bans 24 weapons out of TF2's 170+ non-reskin weapons.
>and are forced to follow the same rollouts
Nobody is forced to follow rollouts. They do it because it gets you into the fight quickly. It's a fun skill to learn.
If you think people are forced to follow rollouts you haven't heard of Muma.
>how are you really having fun?
I don't know nigger, because I am. So you tell me? Am I having "artificial fun"?

Maybe-- just maybe-- we have fun from being skilled at the game and doing exciting and skillful things? But no, surely that's out of the question. It MUST be artificial fun.

Stop asking dumb questions.

>>384327213
>have so much fun as roadhog
>blizz nerf it and it become useles giant piece of shit
NO FUN ALLOWED

>>384327957
>Competitive bans 24 weapons out of TF2's 170+ non-reskin weapons.
I remember when you homos had over half of the weapons banned, what changed?
Not that guy.

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Oh we´re posting our dolls now?

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>>384324385

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>>384327314
>pyro main
>flaming homosexual
every time

>>384325358
Make it so that you get another caber from an ammo drop and that you don't have to go back to spawn every time.

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>>384328145
haha I dont main pyro

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>can clear entire areas with point n' click helmet man and runner boy
>never play them because its fucking boring
>prefer to play engineer and manipulate the map or fuck around as spy

Am I alone?

>>384328071
In artstyle/10

>>384328328
yes post your boipucci

>>384328328
Nah I'm with you

I easily topscore as soldier and if I don't play him than we usually get stomped but I vastly prefer playing support like medic

the problem is that there's nobody to support in pubs

>>384323746
They really nerf this shit, it's fucking ridiculous

at least make the damage vs sentries less good, the soldier already rapes engies from a distance why would you give him the equivalent of a explosive sniper rifle that deals over 70 damage to buildings

>>384328328
No. Spy is really goddamn fun

>>384328328
Me too, I always top score as Soldier so I play Engie or Heavy for fun. Sometimes Demo because even if I rape with him too it's more fun to aim with him.

>>384318312
Every other class has a "sure fire" way of killing an opponent without any challenge. Solly does not.
If a pyro gets close to you and or behind you youre dead.
If a scout sees you alone youre dead.
If a sniper sees you across the map youre dead
If a spy sees you across the map youre dead (also impossible to kill if he has dead ringer)
If a heavy is near you youre dead
Solly just has good aoe

Is this game actually good? or is it just a shitty meme game that people have taken way too seriously and i should just stick to overwatch?

>>384328328
Soldier's as braindead as it gets outside of muscle memory jumping. There's no shame in playing anything else.

>>384328328
soldier takes skill, can you flick, can you use the direct hit effectivly, can you rocket jump effectivly, can you play a good romer?

i like to either be the bold knight who fends off and buys time or the trusty support.

>>384328562
why don't you try it for yourself it's free for god's sake

>>384328587
roaming is boring, I like to switch between the shotgun and banners
not that guy

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>>384323427
>dominates pubs
>has a single "easy" niche
>disregarded by pros as easily evaded and a one trick pony
>nerfed into uselessness
>gas mask

>>384328560
>Solly just has good aoe
Translation: If a soldier can see your feet at mid-range or less you're dead.

>>384328562
>>384328236
what the fuck anon?

>>384319798
>A skilled scout can beat any soldier
The scout has to be significantly better. A soldier on par with said scout can hit his rockets at long range before the scout can approach. The scout could win the fight, but only by relying on flank routes, which are not always accessible, and sneaking around doesn't always work with smarter players (Spy main, many hours in scout).

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>>384328820
Christ

>>384328447
>5 turtle engies watching over a single point

Yeah no, direct hit is a must.

What they need to do is rework engie so that his sentry guns are more dispensable and he needs to be more focused on himself and the other two buildings. No matter how much engiefags may deny, as currently building on meta spots and turtling with rescue ranger and wrangler is the textbook way of playing him.

>>384328328
It's the opposite for me. When I was a wee lil gibus, engie and medic was my go to class. But now I usually just go scout soldier demo.

Playing as soldier and pushing the frontlines is much more fun for me.

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>>384328820
He's probably linking these threads as we speak to whatever discord channel he's a part of.

>>384328910
>A soldier on par with said scout can hit his rockets at long range before the scout can approach
what the fuck am I reading

>>384328009
For a long time they had a rule of banning seriously underpowered weapons like Sharpened Volcano Fragment in case people used them to BM (for example, you're already shitting on the other team, so you swap to Righteous Bison to humiliate them more).

They got rid of that rule and changed their criteria so that a weapon is only banned if it is overpowered (though they let some OP weapons like Ubersaw pass), bugged, stalemate-inducing, or would force everyone to relearn their skills.
>>384323746
>DH
>OP
Neither in pubs nor in comp does it see more use than stock.

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Why aren't you playing superior PUBG instead of this kiddie shooter?

>>384329000
>Neither in pubs nor in comp does it see more use than stock.
it's an extremely well kept secret, the plebs do not know about

>>384318312
his DPS is really not that high compared to a demoman or a heavy at close range

>>384329213
are you also this guy
>>384328562
>>384328236

>>384329213
Why are you playing PUBG instead of the all-around best game ever made, Team Fortress 2?

>>384329290
no I've never played overwatch.

>>384329298
Played earlier today. Forgot how dated and clunky this game feels compared to modern shooters. Got bored, then did PUBG and had some fun.

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>>384328328
>just want to practice slipping past enemy lines and building nests or teleporters where its really inconvenient for the enemy
>team needs me to carry them

>>384329390
Then go play PUBG. No one's forcing you to play games you don't enjoy you know.

>>384329446
Calm down bud. I just wanna know why you guy aren't playing it or giving it a try. Or at least, why you're still playing this after 10 years?

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>>384322791
>Layers of prediction

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>>384324385
only the comfiest soldiers allowed

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>>384329390
>pubg
>fun

Really enjoy getting blown out by a pixel in the distance using an aimbot, then hearing children scream "nigger" in the next lobby

>>384318583
>medics can rocket jump with the soldier plus the medic is always healing them

>>384329242
You're shitposting, gotcha.

>>384329545
It's still being supported and a lot people play it.
But most of all, it's a great game.

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>>384329545
Because TF2 is more fun for me? What are you even doing in a TF2 thread when you don't like TF2? You know you can easily make a PUBG thread if you'd like.

>>384329672
>say that it's a well kept secret that it's a great weapon
>hurr ur shitposting
are you retarded?

>>384327114
>rocket launcher has nosplash

just mild splash which is still decent 2bh, it also fires much faster, has faster projectiles, and more projectiles in a clip (it's actually a clip) and pharah can fly ALL THE TIME with much better control than soldier

pharah's basically using the direct hit with gunboats and a better version of the parachute

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>>384325512
>implying

>>384320662
so in other words, overpowered.

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>>384329000
>though they let some OP weapons like Ubersaw pass
Isn't that because most of the other medic melee weapons suck horribly and the Vita-Saw was banned?

'overpowered' is a dumb concept

>>384330057
The fuck is this abomination

>>384328486
>Spy is fun
Definitely. There's a lot of joy in making people feel stupid.

>>384329614
It's true, in PUBG you only get called a nigger in the lobby. That's why I'm a TF2 player.

>>384329995
YOU YOU'RE THE RINGLEADER

>>384328451
Turtle engies spamming the wrench

>>384330131
you're dumb

No seriously, you're a fucking idiot who has no place discussing any sort of pvp game

>>384329995
>that hat
I WANNA GET IN THE FRIDGE TOO

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OVERWATCH IS ALSO A FUN GAME BUT TF2 FROM INCEPTION WAS MORE OF A BALANCED PARTYGAME INSTEAD OF A COMP-CENTERED EXPERIENCE SO THEY HAVE WILDLY DIFFERENT DESIGN PHILOSOPHIES AND IT'S UNFAIR TO DIRECTLY COMPARE THEM

>>384329778
well he provided a statement declaring why its not op and you just say its a secret so id say you are the retard.

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>>384328253

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>>384330269
>>384330246
GI Joe memes are the gift that keep on giving.

>>384330357
I never said it was OP you faggot, I just said it was a well kept secret how good it actually is.

>>384330285
they're certainly different in how they were made and TF2's comp matchmaking is inifinitely worse than OW's since it was added almost a decade after the game released but there's still comparisons to be made

Also TF2 has a much higher skill ceiling than OW which is more about cooperating as a team and less about individual skill

t.guy who was in Master before he quit OW

>>384329995
not as iconic, remove the unusual and take away the gold flashiness and it's just an ok heavy.

>>384330597
I think TF2 has a much higher skill floor and the main thing making TF2 difficult is advanced movement mechanics as opposed to most of the mechanics that come into play in your average game

Headshots alone make playing at your peak in Overwatch very difficult and for half of the classes those advanced movement mechanics barely come into play, it's mostly scout, demoman, soldier.

>>384324979
Fez is a great hat, not sure getting a TF Logo fez was a good idea.
>inb4 cheap effects are shit

>>384329972
all that without the effort of having to learn a game mechanic, like rocketjumping. Casual game at its finest.

>>384327330
>BUT UNCLE DANE PLAYED ENGINEER IN MATCHMAKING ONCE

>>384324608
degreaser
stock shotgun
axestinguisher
play like you're sneaking around and just wander intuitively and use the shotgun a bit more than you think you need to