>small indie developer manages to make the best MMO in years

are there tits?

>small indie developer manages to shill literally every day
How do they do it

>>384312235

so no tits?

>>384311948
>best MMO in years

is it though? I hope it is...

>>384311948
>Another Isometric "You can do anything!" MMO that will die ina few months because a tiny team cannot keep up with the level of content players churn through.

>>384312576
Why would their be tits in a game developed by a SJW britbong

Is this another hardcore sandbox mmo that will be killed by its own community?

>>384311948
>buy to play
>but also a monthly subscription
>but also also microtransactions

>>384311948
Whats the endgame?

I'll wait a few months for the glaring, giant fuck up to surface.

>>384311948
>its shit
they didn't

ITS FUCKING EVONY RESKINNED

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>>384313642
>pay to win
Dead on arrival

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>>384314117
>buy to play
>but also a monthly subscription
>but also also microtransactions
Fuck, really? There's not F2P option to at least try first?

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>Player driven economy.
>Focus resource that only Premium members get.
>Focus allows you to get a % of your invested resource refunded (Spend 100 Cotton to make cloth, get 10 cotton back) if you spend some.
>Premium players also get double output from things like farming.

Be regular guy who buys the game.
>Pay silver for seeds.
>Water plants.
>Harvest my 8 plants per seed.
>Hope the market isn't tanked so i can recoup my losses.
>Make tiny margin.

>Be Premium Player.
>Pay silver for seeds.
>Spend a focus point and water.
>Harvest my 16 plants and 3 seeds.
>Hope market isn't tanked so I can make more dosh.
>Replant with my seeds.
>Sell excess seeds to pathetic regular people who wont spent the extra shekels on premium.

Game is confirmed for Pay to Win. Imagine if E.V.E. You have to buy the game outright for $30, then to stay relevant you have to pay for premium.

There's the fuck up. In the trash it goes.

>>384314597
Whatever you want to do anon, it's a sand box :^)

>accessible beta for buyers so long everyone already lost interest
Top kek. Also, this: >>384314117

It will be forgotten in less than 2 months time tops.

No one cares at all.

>>384314117
Not to mention it's dumbed down for tablet players. That's right, fucking TABLETS.

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>>384311948
So this shit is DOA. Any other MMOs on the horizon actually worth a shit?

>>384315729
the monthly subscription is optional but you have to buy it first

>>384315974
just play runescape for the god tier quests

>>384315974
Haha nope.

Maybe Camelot Unchained or Bless Online.

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>>384315976
>modern MMO with no free trial
It's like they want to fail.

>>384311948
Can I play as a furry

>>384315974
MMO genre is like a needle in the haystack. You have to dig through a whole lot of nothing to find the one for you.

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>>384316152
Is Black Desert worth the 10 on Steam?

>>384316093
>Bless
Already dead in korea

>>384316280
Not unless you want to pay even more to unlock your characters weight limit, inventory limit, or actually having your armor appear on your character
That's right, if you don't pay per armor set then your character runs around in a burlap sack

>>384316398
They're reworking it. Again.

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>>384316506
Why are MMOs all awful now?

>premium
>pay for currency
>pay to win

>>384316561
They are all looking for whales to nickel and dime
They still suck but wow and ff14 really are the last playable mmos on the market

>>384316561
because they started pandering to casuals with wow

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>>384315734
Jesus.

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>>384316698
>FF14
I liked it for awhile. I got to a point around like lvl 20 where all my quest lines ended, and I had no idea where to go next. WoW always seemed way better about letting you which area you should head to next.

>>384316698
MMO's are just as degenerate as mobile games nowadays. It's a dead genre until someone with a shred of passion decides to make one

this game was delayed by like 2 years, all the while they send you founder pack ads every month

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>>384316856
>tfw Blizzard cancelled Titan to make Overwatch instead
We'll never get the next great MMO.

>>384316840
The story unlocks every thing so just running around is going to leave you with nothing to do, they had a new expansion recently and now theres a big red bordered prompt telling you exactly where to go if you get lost, you can turn it off though

>game requires you to buy premium for all of your characters individually to use your daily learning points. Having crafting alts and refining alts and farming alts is built in from the ground up. All mains are just combat characters in a game with shallow combat

I wouldn't even mind giving this a shot if it was $10 and was expecting some comfy sandbox to fuck around in, but fucking $30 for this low-res bullshit?

>>384316990
Titan gameplay is Destiny, setting is Overwatch. Pick one.

>>384317191
$30 is pretty cheap in a genre that usually costs $50-60+$15 subscription+$40 expansion packs

>>384317489
Ill just play runescape for free for a grinding simulator

>>384317178
>game requires you to buy premium for all of your characters individually to use your daily learning points

are u srs

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>>384317489
No, it's fairly unique to have a 30 dollar up front cost, monthly subscription, and micro transactions. Way too much fucking investment without at least a two week free trial or something.

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>>384314117
I'm still a big fan of subs in MMOs and hate how F2P (inevitably P2W or pay-for-stuff-that-should-be-up-to-players) has taken over, but this shit is fucking retarded. Subs should mean the game itself is totally free to download. EVE Online is the model sub games should follow, you just get the client, you can jump in and fuck around for a few weeks/month, then sub if you want to keep playing. No paid updates ever, download client is always the latest version. Sub covers everything. I guess after I quit they introduced pay cosmetic shit but the original model worked for a long time.

But a game should only have one of those ever. You pay up front? Online should be free. Subscription? Client is free, there are no other charges? Microtransactions? Client and online time is free. Combine all of them? Dev is raging faggot and his shit game is DOA.

>>384317683
Yes. Premium is not account based but specific character based, and you do not generate learning points (which are about 4 hours of grind worth of progression a day, per character) or crafting focus (which are effectively required for high end crafting) on non premium accounts.

They were going to make the game have a single character slot per account because the whole point was really selling that you made a character and then that character lived in a sandbox world, but then they changed it and implimented all these per-character daily bonuses if you have premium just to get everyone to buy 3 times premium.

They will say "you can buy premium with in game currency like eve!". Yeah, thats true, but someone is paying for it somewhere, it may not cost you directly, but they are profiting from it.

The whole thing went from a good idea of a comfy sandbox to a game that encourages everyone to run multiple accounts to get ahead and flip between specific characters for doing specific tasks all while paying for each characters premium.

>>384317489
>usually
Only wowfags put up with shit like that. The "usual" these days is f2p.

>>384317714
>subs+mt
never acceptable anyway under any circumstances.

>>384317817
But EvE is heavily P2W as you NEED secondary accounts and plex prices with ingame isk are ridiculous now

>>384318097
They've outjewed EvE
LOL they've probably been studying the New Eden whales and came to the conclusion they could harness their love for cheesy altitis and transform it into easy cash

>>384318097
Also, originally there was not going to be these daily bonuses, you leveled what you did, full stop. Now you can do things like spend all day leveling one thing and then just use the learning points to level something else, or, as you are pressured, have alts to level specific crafting things on with 4 hours of progression 'free' per day by paying a subscription for them.

The excuse was to give casuals an ability to not get so far behind. Despite the entire community explaining to the devs why this would do the opposite and give people running multiple accounts an even more massive advantage than they would have had already, they were just ignored.

The devs are either incompetent or corrupt, take your pick. Either way avoid this game.

>>384318097
>They will say "you can buy premium with in game currency like eve!". Yeah, thats true, but someone is paying for it somewhere, it may not cost you directly, but they are profiting from it.
even ccp never money-grubbed that hard, and even going back to 2009ish or whenever it was /v/ briefly was into eve for like 6 months, everyone was still brutally honest that only oldfags or the lucky could really have it be worth getting subtime with in game currency from somebody else. even there usually more fun just to use it for blowing shit up.

>>384318132
you forgot about Final Faggotry fags and Dragon Quest fags (in Japan)

>>384311948
Where is it? You didn't post it

>>384318158
>But EvE is heavily P2W as you NEED secondary accounts and plex prices with ingame isk are ridiculous now
Horse shit if that's all it is. To be clear I played EVE from like second month until 2011 or so, so my knowledge is out of date, maybe they've gone actual P2W. But multiboxing was never "NEEDED" nor is it "p2w" for any sane or general definition of the term. In fact around when I left one of the few really significant minimal-risk combat boosts it could grant (unprobe-able command support ships) got well nerfed and nothing could be unprobe-able anymore that wasn't cloaked. Multibox is worse then having another bro along since your attention is divided. The ships are the same.

>>384318342
>they were just ignored
Ever since the fiasco that was Planetary Annihilation, Developers who ignore their fans (who in this day and age are usually the ones doing the bulk of the testing for their game) piss me the fuck off.

>>384318740
You need at least a scout and a neutral hauler if you're ever going to do something worthwhile in EvE.

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>>384318342
>The excuse was to give casuals an ability to not get so far behind. Despite the entire community explaining to the devs why this would do the opposite and give people running multiple accounts an even more massive advantage than they would have had already, they were just ignored.
Plus it's short sighted as fuck anyway if they've got stuff balanced properly. It's a totally greedy short term thinking move, yeah sometimes it might take a long time to get up to top levels but that should be ok if they want to last. A sandbox in particular needs long term goals and to take things a bit slow.

Devs need to fucking learn that
>WE WANT THE WOW AUDIENCE
will never ever fucking work. The WOW audience is happy, with WOW. You can't do WOW better then Blizzard (or some other ginormous company) can, ever. Point of a good sandbox should be that maintenance costs are low and scalable, so it's ok to have slow but steady growth and maintain profitability from a dedicated niche. The focus should be on retaining existing players more then anything, because in a sandbox the community IS the biggest feature, it's the "massive" in MMO that gives it something unique over regular old MP vidya.

Shame it sounds like these devs couldn't get any of that.

>>384315734
That can't be real... right?

>>384319034
>You need at least a scout
Corpmate should handle this.

>and a neutral hauler
You don't need to multibox for this. You can also hire people to handle this for you.

>if you're ever going to do something worthwhile in EvE.
Goalpost shifting. Also not P2W.

tl;dr: yeah if you're an anti-social low skilled faggot maybe you'd need to pay a price but in that case just save time/effort/money/frustration and go play a regular SP game. EVE sure as fuck has nothing go for it PVE or whatever, if you aren't taking advantage of the massive aspect it's a waste of time.

>>384316121
well, ESO pulled it off but they do have a free week once or twice a year

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>>384311948
Hey OP who is definitely not a developer or marketer will you come back and defend your shitty business model p2w game yet?

>>384318794
The thing is they consolidated all posts into one megathread and then very selectively replied to very specific things and ignored the bulk of the complaint, then when people called them out on it they acted like they were being reasonable.

The thread is really heartbreaking to read, there are people who were really looking forward to a sandbox going through great pains to explain with reason and sometimes hard math, why the devs arguments were complete bullshit, but they would just get ignored.

I was about to buy the game and in my research leading up to release i stumbled across that thread and read the entire thing. It took 4 hours.

Dont take my criticism of this game. Read this thread: https://forum.albiononline.com/index.php/Thread/43856-Learning-Points-and-Alt-Characters-Discussion/

Anyone considering dropping money on the game read that thread first before you decide.

>>384314117
So WoW? Except with WoW you have to fork over $40-$100 every 2 years on top of subs.

>>384319368
>you can waste other peoples times

In pvp mmos player time is the most valuable resource. You could have a corp mate scouting for you. Or you could both have a scout running and scout twice as effectively while also both having a good combat setup going.

>>384311948
Sell me on it.

>>384319553
Thank you, I'll be back in a few hours. If thread is even still up. But either way, thanks for the info.

>>384313628
>only sjws don't pander to thirsty virgins
mk

>>384319368
Lol at those corpmates/friends meme. People don't spend their ingame time to please you + "trust no one"

Not my fault your favorite sociopathy simulator is a whale hunting venture targeting online sociopaths, and one which requires multiple accounts.

>b2p with cosmetic microtransactions model e.g. GW1 will never happen again
pretty sad desu

>>384311948

is it free? im bored

>>384319916
No. It's $30 minimum buy-in.

>>384319553
You people make a big deal out of the premium features in games, do you realize how many players can just be underpowered and still enjoy the game? do you think everyone everywhere in one of this games buys everything all the time? a lot of players are ok with being peasants and doing things at their own pace, the whales usually get bored really quick and just jump to the next best thing.

Devs are not the devil, the playerbase asks for this shortcuts, they want a chance to progress with money, because not everyone is unemployed, a lot of people make $15 in an hour, and they would rather spend 2-3 hours of their monthly sallary in this games than grind for 40 hours like a brazilian. There's neets who pay and play at the same time, but they're a very selected minority.

I'm not playing this crap because it's boring as fuck and guilds are a massive circle jerk, but the cash shop drama is not even the wors of it's problems, you learn to live with it and making less money than someone who drops $50 a month on it is not big deal, you don't need to be the top of the top of the top of the top of the iceberg, fucking learn to enjoy life without worrying about your sword being +3 instead of +4 and your gold being 20 instead of 200, if the game is thrash and I gave you the money to pay2win you would hate it anyways, and if you really loved it spending $50 a month it's nothing considering the amount of hours you would get out of it, but the game is not worth even the initial price regardless of the microtransactions and premium status.

>>384311948
Looks like shit

>>384320078
>People should be allowed to pay money to be ahead of everyone else!
>People are okay with not paying, they can be peasants!
>Stop worrying that Billy only plays 1 hour a week, yet has 10 times the stuff you do when you play 20 hours a week!
>I mean the game is PVP and Player centric, but ignore that fact because I want to argue in blanket statements instead of this specific instance!
BAKA GAIJINS!

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>>384319896
>Lol at those corpmates/friends meme.
This explains so much about why nu/v/ is always so mad about mmos.

>>384320078
>Supporting the nickle and dime practices of modern MMO devs.
You're the reason the genre is now viewed as a giant money vacuum that takes advantage of those without self control. Sit on the largest dildo you can find.

>>384320410
I come from many different pay2win games, you probably don't, because you see that it costs more than $10 a month and run scared.

You don't NEED to pay to be entertained, and this are "persistent world", yet the players are not persistent, take BDO for example, a year after it's release, you could reach the leaderboards in 1-3 months, because no one was hardcore enough to grind every single day for an entire year non stop, a lot of people left, and a lot came now and then to check out new classes, but not even the whales who dropped thousands on the game were attached enough to keep playing every day. I've seen people drop hundreds in gacha games, and they quit after 1-2 months, it's mostly the plebs who stick with the games long term.

>>384320756
you're an idiot if you think you're going to find a f2p or b2p game with no jewery, all you do is sit in this forum crying that games are not a magical fairy land, I'm not defending anything, I'm giving you retards a reality check on how the world works, you're going to cry about the real world being unfair as well, go cry in your bathroom and eat your semen.

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>>384311948
>Browsing Twitch
>This at the point and time was the most watched MMO on the front page.
>check it out.
>its a top down MMO like fucking Runescape.
>MFW.

Fucking no.

>>384320078
It has nothing to do with what i have or dont have.

When i play a game i play it seriously. To play this game seriously you need to run alts, at least the two your single account lets you. You can do it with minimal time investment and no extra real out of pocket money since the alts can pay for their own premium, so basically there is no reason not to do it, it is de facto the correct way to play the game.

I do not like the result of this in a sandbox game where it cuts down on the need for players to specialize in economic roles.

Because the way to play this game optimally is not fun for me, i will not play the game, as simple as that. Its no different from if the game had any other fundamental mechanic that i didn't like. It could have turn based combat, or one of those overly complicated crafting models where you have to craft dozens of sub-items in a long elaborate chain of building up every single tool and material through multiple stages before you can attempt one craft (looking at you gloria victis). Using at least 3 characters i the normal most sensible way to play the game with the mechanics given us, i do not want to play three characters, i want to make one character who lives in the game.

Normally there would be no complaint, but the fact that the game was the optimally fun game and was changed just before release to a less fun thing with the clear intention of only doing it as a way to generate more premium subscriptions, that is a reason to complain.

>>384315734
I dont really think thats how it works. Because Auction houses are different for each city, if you try to put your goods in a non-saturated area, and get ganked and lose it all. it doesnt matter whether or not you got premium or not. you lost all your shit

>>384321053
>playing games seriously
>I can't have fun unless my I have 9999stats because my autism won't let me have fun unless I have everything maxed
>Game is shit, but I don't care about that, all I care about is that my stats are 9999 and my crafts are max, so I can drop it and play another game that is just as dull to max my stats and drop it so I can play another game,

>>384321219
>not playing games seriously
go be a casual somewhere else scum. Arguing that not using alts is ok in this game is like arguing its ok to artificially use only one hotbar worth of skills in an mmo. Its a built in fundamental part of your build now, you, the player, control three characters. That is now the core aspect of the way you play the game. It is a major shift.

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>>384320956
You do realize that in a game with Pay to Win mechanics like Albion, those who do not pay eventually get outclassed by the premium user and basically cannot manage to compete on any level with them.
>Be guy who doesn't use premium, just rolling along, doing ym thing.
>Oh here comes Spendy McDickGobble.
>Mr.DickGobble already has way better gear then i could ever craft, has better skill levels then me because he's premium and spent money to convert to silver and buy anything he needs.
>He kills me with ease, takes my shit , because everything you have on oyu is there, and now I have to hope I can start over with what gear/currency I do have.

It's not fucking fine in a game like Albion. I'm almost tempted to dump money into it and just shit on the "peasants" as you've labeled them. It's terrible business model. Anything beyond a cosmetic is fucking awful.

>>384321663
and yet, the game will still exist, people will still play it, both pay2win and peasants, and something in between

I don't like it, but it doesn't stop me from playing a game just because it has shortcuts, as I said before, regardless of the shortcut there's always a no lifer, someone who shares accounts, someone who buys an account, it's not like you're going to no life this shit 20 hours a day, and even if you did there's going to be some chineese fucks selling accounts for $300 bucks withe everything maxed, because they make like $2 a day for 12 hours of grinding.

I repeat, I do not like it, but if the game was good enough that would not be what's stopping me, you adapt, you survive, like the other 95% of the population, and the top elite quit faster than you think.

This genre is fucked anyways, nobody likes it, or there would be more games like it, as I said the customers are the ones fucking the games, not the devs, devs implement all this garbage because people eat it like it's candy.

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yarr harr fidely dee, worldwide ESPs and 5 second mining is not okay with me
do what you want cause the game is shitty
you are a shitter

>>384311948
i saw a presentation they did back when they were beginning looking for an engine to start on...
the cons and pros of each and the implications for cheating...

very interesting talk, they were aiming high even back then.

>expert programmers
>no surprise

>>384320078
>>384321219
>Some players want to play at their own pace
>Guilds are a circlejerk

God this reminds me of the kind of retarded shit you'd see on the WoW forums. Hang yourself my dude.

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>>384322186
>Still exists.
It's not even open yet retard. Too many people have their rose tinted hope glasses on.

And all this "Well it doesn't bother me!" isn't an excuse for it. If it's a spade, call the shit a spade. It's BAD DESIGN. It's preying on people, and a terrible business model. You even agree that it's dumb. But don't make excuses for it.

It's like you enter a Billiards league for fun, but there's a subscription you can pay. If you do, you always play your matches first, also if you spend a Pool Point, you get to break every time. Oh, and you also get to ignore scratching 3 times per night! I mean, it shouldn't effect you, they're paying so they don't have to grind up and practice the game. Their win percents might be higher because they have an advantage, but like, you could jsut pay the few even fi you don't want to!

The Albion Business model is what's going to kill the game faster then anything once the dumb dumbs catch on.

>>384316506
>That's right, if you don't pay per armor set then your character runs around in a burlap sack

That's completely untrue.

It seems like you didn't actually play the game or are retarded.

If you had, you would have mentioned the most important thing to buy with money - pets.

>>384320956
>b2p game with no jewery

Guild Wars 1

It has anything to do with that old RPG set on an alien planet full of technology made out of plants?

>>384322929
Whats worse is i have a sinking suspicion he is that dev from the thread. Hes been shilling the game on /vg/ and here for the last day. He argues like a game development school retard, totally detached form any authentic player perspective or sensibility.

He claimed that an alt doing something in game is exactly the same as a regular player doing it, that there is no difference.

>>384323209
Didn't extra character slots cost extra? Not that they didn't give you plenty to begin with. I remember bank slots costing money as well, but my memory could just be shot.

>>384323602
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's massively autistic, but yeah, the way he types makes him sound like a dev or a shill.

>>384322186
>>384320956
>>384320078
Shill harder dev, people here called your shit out for what it was. your pay 2 win shit is atrocious. Expect your game to be dead in a few months once the stupid hopefuls that are throwing $100 a pop away to play it 48 hours sooner.

>>384320078
>do you realize how many players can just be underpowered and still enjoy the game?

That's fine, but I still don't like to encourage this weird development choice of incorporating class warfare in my vidya. If a game values me less as a player because I refuse to pay X amount each month then I have no reason to purchase it in the first place.

Take a look at SC for example. Why would I spend $60 on the base game when other people can burn $2500 for a titanic space ship after the fact? Or spend X dollars in lieu of a subscription for in-game currency each month? I'm not a NEET or rich. I need to be discerning with my time and money.