Beware of aftermarket ebay gayman GPUs, /v/. Most of them have

>buying second hand hardware

seriously?

>>384305413
Thx Famuel

can't be that bad, the cryptocurrency meme went as soon as it came

>>384305517
>Cant be that bad.
Try asking some people who work at electronic stores, or looking around in the archives of threads we have had one this.

One thread had a cellphone snapshot of a guy buying upwards 50 AMD cards for that very purpose.

>>384305413
I plan on buying one and smiling to myself every day as it performs flawlessly.

>>384305509
thats a good one

>>384305517
Do you know what mining does to a GPU? Most are rated for 4-5 years of STANDARD use. Any sort of enthusiast mining people buy GPUs for will trash the chip in 6mos to 1 yr, which is about the time Ethereum mining was worth a shit.

>>384305665
went to the store the other day and just out of curiosity asked the guy if they had any rx580's since the whole bitcoin boom, dude said they were sold out country wide and it wasn't just on their store chain, at home i checked websites of other stores and they were all sold out.

the rx580 was cheaper than the 480 too when i saw it for sale over here for the first time.

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>GRAPHICS processing unit
Aren't bitcoins made by doing math? How is this relevant?

>>384306176
Ethereum uses a different method that the current mid tier cards were extremely efficient at.

>>384305904
ETH just skyrocketed. If you're lucky they'll overstock for the old demand and sell them at a bargain.

>>384306176
......anon I

>>384305413
Fake news. Ethereum price has been on rise all day.

>>384305413

>sold my rx 480 2 weeks ago for almost double what i paid
>crypto crashes
>no just gotta wait a whiole for the market to stabilize and get new 580 or up

i actually felt kinda shitty when it sold because there are certain games the old gpu i reverted to cant play, but its pretty much gta v and just caue 3, so its smooth sailing for me

>>384306330
>at less than half its price as 2 weeks ago

>>384306176
>chip that's made to render a highly detailed 3d scene at a minimum of 60 times per second

Oh gee I wonder why bitcoin miners would be interested in something like that.

>>384306604
Still profitable. You're not going to see miners dumping cards until it drops under $100

>>384305413
>Go to ebay
>RX580
>400.00
Yea no, I hope no one buys from them, the card at this point is worth 50 in my eyes.

>>384305413
Some things you get second hand, a GPU isn't one of them unless you personally know the person you're buying it off.

>>384306901
>Minimum of 60 timer per second
>Minimum
You think there is a minimum?

Some person will make a game designed to be 10fps and it will be revolutionary.

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>>384305795
Bullshit.
You say this because you don't want /v/ competing with you on ebay.

You guys want the real answer?, ask on /g/. And it will always be the same: it doesn't really matter if it was used for mining. They can take it.

My GTX 1060 is used.

>>384307003
we call those games 3ds max

>>384306901
I dont think you quite spelled it out for him like you thought you did

>buying GPUs used by miners
no thanks

>>384306924
thats true, im just glad theres hope for a normal gpu market in the near future. im also helping the cards meant for mining that are in development will help with that, but at this point they might come out too late. then again theres always new fad currencies popping up

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post yfw you didn't pay absurd prices for your gpus

>>384307043
Not him but why would you want to purchase a card that was on 100% load 24/7 for months on end?

>>384306943
i sold an rx 480 for 370, but it was just for gaymin. should i have started the bid higher?

>>384305795

I never understood this. I always end up using a GPU heavily for about 4 years and when I upgrade my previous GPU goes into my media center PC in my living room where it spends another 4 years. I've never had one die on me and I do tons of rendering.

>>384306176
This. Why not just make a bot that does the same thing without having to spend 800 dollarydoos on a graphics card? baka

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>>384307184

>>384307112
Not a game. No fail state.

Buying used mining cards is the same as buying 4+ year old regularly used cards.

>>384305413
Mining doesn't kill cards, miners tend to undervolt them, I'd rather buy second hand from a miner than a gamer who OCs his all day.

>>384305413
I bought one of these GPUs used by miners, it was in horrible condition. Not a single oil change, the whole board was getting eaten by rust, ashtrays packed full, filters clogged, etc.

>>384307275
when it eventually crashes and corrupts your project file

>>384307254
eh more power to you, I would have. But to the guys who actually buy loads of these cards, they can burn in hell.

>>384307192
Because it's still fully functional and will remain so as long as I care to use it. There is this logic that 100% load 24/7 = ruined card that simply is not backed up by facts.

>>384307192
the idea being thrown around that if a card doesnt fail around the 1 month mark, then its not faulty and will last years regardless of the amoutn of use. i dont buy it personally, but idk teh science or lack thereof that goes into it

>>384307325
A mining card would probably be in better condition since it wouldn't be going through as many thermal cycles.

>>384306176
GPUs are basically severely gimped CPU cores, but there are several hundred, sometimes thousands, of them on a single die working together.

>>384307114
>him

>>384305413
Isn't the best way to get bitcoin by illegal means, which is why bitcoin will never be recognized and traded in the world market?

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>>384307184
>payed $230 for a 290 4 years ago
>knucklehead miner buys it for $350

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>missed the chance to sell 1070 for mad dosh and buy 1080

It's different kind of regret

>>384307373
well if the crypto meme continues after this failry large crash, at least theres the moning-specific gpus coming out. either way, i think the market will stabilize in a few months and we can buy some cards at a decent price

>>384307567
whatever personal agenda you want to attach to your beliefs about it will be your beliefs about it

>>384305501

As always, FPBP.

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tfw mining ZEC with a 470

>>384306176
GPU and CPU are the same thing.
CPU is just less but more powerful cores.
GPU is the opposite, a fuckton of very weak cores.
That's why AI programmers use GPUs instead of CPUs, since GPU architecture is better suited for neural networks as it more accurately replicates the human brain and neural activity.

>>384307640
That really doesn't answer my question

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>>384305413
>Mining cryptocurrency
They're literally stocks with more emotional risk and less Forex bullshit.

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>mining bitcoins by buying hardware yourself
You are aware you're supposed to develop rootkits and malware to infect others PC's to do that shit for you, right?

>>384307267
do you not have a job? or deos your job include huge media editing that requires 100% of your gpu for large amounts of time? because most games dont require 100% of your gpu power in the first place, but with mining its at 100% 24/7. you really cant compare a gaming rig to a mining rig, and even a work computer rendering media probably doesnt come close at all

>miners trying to trick people into buying their fried cards
fucking kek

>>384307272
is this bait?

>>384307856
as opposed to gamers trying to trick people into buying their fried cards?

>>384307272
what do you mean by bot?

>>384307856
This was exactly what I wanted to get at, do NOT buy these cards, half the fucking miningcucks on here saying that it'll be fine are probably trying to recover from the massive damage control.

>>384307832
>having a job to get money
You are aware that you're supposed to just rob others and take it from them, right?

>b-but
No buts, spreading trojans is illegal and developers are hunted down if they cause too much trouble.

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>>384307356
>mfw bought a card with the cache wiped so i didnt realize what awful condition it was in

>>384305413
if you're lucky you can find a crypto miner selling of his GPUs because he was late to the party so his GPUs are barely used. that's how I got my R9 290X for $160 when they were $300 + at the time.

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>>384307598
>tfw I did exactly that

there is literally NOTHING wrong with a card that was used for mining, it will still work fine for years

this is a great way for some console plebs to finally become pc master race

>>384307567
if you sell drugs you can get a lot of bitcoin, but thats true of any real-world cutrrency as well

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>rx 470 bought on cyber monday 2016
>around 150 dollarydoos
>price now upwards of 350-500 dollarydoos

holy shit so glad i made the choice to get it then.

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>>384307184
>currently saving up for one
>hope it's in stock by the time I have enough money

I paid $160 for a GTX 1050 Ti today.

Did I spend too much?

>>384308165
Fuck off loser. I hope you enjoy all those cards. faggot

>>384308051
Too bad it's mostly unfeasible and not worth any return to do it your legal way. This is how 99% of "bitcoins" are made.

Also robbing implies stealing the currency itself.

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>>384307586
same

>>384308174
A wonder why so many people sell drugs rather than work in chinese sweat shops, which is what trying to mine ourself is.

>>384308165

>Hardware abused by normies

Don't

>>384307768
The real problem is people are making alternative bitcoins to attract people who were too late to get in. The problem is bitcoin was established quickly by being the medium people bought drugs with and has since become a standard way to pay for other things all over.

These new currencies offer little advantage to bitcoin in the sense that the end user can't do shit with them out of the gate and so many more spring up almost weekly that any advantage they have on paper over bitcoin gets harder to prove in practice.

what GPU should I buy if I only want 1080p gaming at 60 fps?

>>384305501

only Americans do this

>>384308465
1060/1070

>>384308465
1060

>tfw just spend $280 on a 1060 6gb
Did I make a mistake?

Do any manufacturers allow for the transferring of warranties?

If so then I'd have no problem taking a second hand GPU especially if they offer a step-up program.

>>384308465
1060
or 1070 when it crashes in price soon from retailers overstocking

>>384308465
a 1080 for 1080p. common sense you dingus

>>384308253
Yes, I got one for 120 at a local Best Buy 2 months ago

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>>384308253
>buying low end GPU

>>384308423
>These new currencies offer little advantage to bitcoin in the sense that the end user can't do shit with them out of the gate and so many more spring up almost weekly
Well yeah that's what I meant by emotional. You think to yourself Currency X is going to be the hit new thing but it's just a flavor of the month currency that would die off faster than Dogecoin. As you said that Bitcoins were already established all you really need to do is wait for a really low point to buy and hope another huge spike comes in soon to sell.

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Any worries if buying a brand new one on ebay?

>>384305413
>Get rich quick schemes down the gutter
>dump their overused and abused GPUS on ebay at near MARKETPRICE

Fuck miners

>>384308737
depends. is it brand new? or "brand new?"

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>>384308505

Any chances that the GTX 1080 Ti might drop at least about $100 by September, anyway? I'll be travelling around that time and it'd be nice to grab one at a reasonable price. I need 4k gaming to finally enter my life.

>>384307365
That isn't a failstate that is a side effect. You can always go bit by bit in the file and correct any mistakes.

>>384306283
ETH dropped a shit load of value recently. It went from $300 to $180.

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>>384305413
This "burnt out" GPU meme is so fucking dumb. First of all etherum mining does not even push a modern GPU like an RX 480 over 25% load for it to have maximum effect. Second of all, GPU's last for fucking ever as long as they're from a decent brand and didn't have heating issues to begin with.

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It's funny because any serious bitcoin miner had custom ASICs built specifically for that purpose utterly wiping out any casual with a GPU

>>384308837
Don't ruin this tasty meme with politics.

>>384308904
im pretty sure it was at or almost at 400 at one point, and im sure people bought in hard with gpus then

>>384308975
It's okay, normalfags ruin them for us

>>384308821
unopened

>>384308926
an rx 480 is put at 100%, ive done it myself. luckily it was just with the card i already owned and i gave up after a couple of days

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>>384308904
>tfw some people killed themselves over it

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>>384307043
>>384307390
>>384307426
you are some retarded sons of bitches and need to remove yourselves from the gene pool.

I bet you faggots think a hdd that has been used 24/7 for months under full load with reading and writing cycles is just as good as new. same goes for everything with mechanical parts or electronics parts like transformers, transistors, RAM, etc. pp. Same goes for your moms' pussies you retarded sons of single mother whores.

Honestly, fucking kill yourselves and never post on this board again you retarded assbirth clowns.

>>384308562
No, that's about the right price with tax. Although the real steal was the RX 470 4gb at like $180 a while ago. Only like 5-8% slower than the 1060 6gb for half the price and you can easily get away with 4gb VRAM at 1080p if you're willing to use "very high" textures instead of "ultra" in some games that have fuckhuge texture sizes.

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>>384309329

speaking of gpus, I just got my $30 check from the GTX 970 lawsuit.

>>384309329

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JqNJq-PC0

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>>384309184
Remember that guy who got heat stroke and brain damage while sleeping in the tiny room he was mining bitcoin in? That's was pretty dosh garn funny.

>>384308505
Why are other countries so obsessed with America?

>>384309619
>tfw too lazy and stupid to get involved
I wanted free money. ):

>>384309329
i literally said in my post i dont buy what i was explaining as the argument being used. get some reading comprehension, sperg

>>384309720

Americans are meme people, everything about them is weird, their obsession with height, their obesity levels, their lack of self-awareness when it comes to entertainment media (tits are haram but guns are halal, the ridiculously bad capeshit movies that only make profits there and so on.

>>384307598
>sold my 1070 to my little brother for 200 bucks
>told him to sell because demand was rising
>he didn't bother and just kept on playing PuBG

I'm going to smack him the next time I see him.

>>384308719
What even happened to Dogecoin? You made me remember it being shilled years ago and I just checked the charts. Apparently it recently skyrocketed for a moment out of the blue.
The fuck happened there that caused the sudden price surge of a currency that's been dead for years?

>>384309914
Tits and guns are my 2 favorite things. Also im taller than you so just stop obsessing lmao

>>384309710
its not about performance degradation, its about eventual hardware faliure. im not that guy, but i, too, think that running a card at 100% 24/7 for months at a time will lead to the eventual complete hatware failure sooner thannormal usage

>>384309619
I wish that lawsuit was extended outside the US.

>>384306283
not that anon but i just bought a 1080 for 500 bucks.

>>384309329
>I bet you faggots think a hdd that has been used 24/7 for months under full load with reading and writing cycles is just as good as new.
Hard drives and GPUs are not the same type of technology, retard. But even still there are many hard drives that have been running for years 24/7 reading/writing at full load with zero issues.

>>384310992
Even if the GPU never fails, how many underage normies would even THINK of replacing the sure-to-fail fans?

>>384310126
Sooner could still be literally tens of thousands of hours away.

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>>384308505
>americans
>not brazilians

>>384311073
You're just grasping at straws at this point, bud. The fan probably won't fail and if it does it's a 10 minute swap.

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>>384307184
1050 Ti mediumrace!

>>384305501
Only CPUs that aren't overclockable. Everything else bought used is too risky.

>>384310851
you cant build your own lawsuit in your country?

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>>384308737
that's not macross it's urbanmech fucking retard

>>384305501
I do it all the time. Also sell mine on ebay. It's an excellent way to save money.

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>>384307184
Paid 250 for my 1060 6gb and kinda felt like I should have waited

mfw I didn't wait.

>>384305413
Cryptomining doesn't burn out cards. Quite the opposite in fact: Miners will undervolt them for better performance-per-watt value and a lower power bill.

>all the processing has been doing is solving math for alien hunting nerds

>>384310017
Dogecoin isn't worth anything.

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>>384308837
That's hilario but change UKuck flag to a globe

>>384312270
While the mechanical parts run 24/7
While the thermals are still active
>undervolt
still churning calculations nonstop

>>384309329
>same goes for everything with mechanical parts
Sure.
>or electronics parts like transformers, transistors, RAM, etc.
How so? Electronic parts do not wear the same way mechanical parts do. There's thermal expansion, but if the card's been run hot 24/7, that should actually be LESS of a problem than if it's been idle during nighttime.

>>384312378
is the processing actually going toward an end goal? i assumed it was just arbitrary bullshit

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>>384305501
>not judiciously buying used hardware
You just have to know what you're getting. Some types of kit lasts basically forever, is super expensive new, and you can get fantastic deals if you know where to look. I've scored some amazing shit that let me complete my rackmount setup and switch my core stations to it for super cheap (like pennies/dimes on the dollar) by watching for startup bankruptcies and the like.

Other stuff is risky and should be avoided sure, but if you only ever buy new you're probably a retard or just don't have any advanced requirements or are super rich.

>>384309720
Because we're king of the world. It's just jealousy.

>>384305745
>Ran 24/7 for months
>Performing flawlessly
Yeah, about that...

Was this all a conspiracy created by GPU manufacturers and retailers to make money hand over fist? It all happened so suddenly and then it was gone.

>>384309914
Youre really sheltered. The capeshit is being kept alive by the chinks you dumb shit.

>>384313006
>non-OC'd solid state hardware burning out just from running 24/7 for a few months
what did anon mean by this? he meant he's a dumb faggot.

>>384312903
With cryptocurrencies? The money itself is made of math, and the processing power is required to generate it.

>>384312919
you just reach out to dying startups you happen to know about or what? other than that, which most people wouldnt be aware of, it would be incredibly difficult to know what youre getting from used hardware. but if you want to list components that you dont really have to worry about being used, id appreciate it

>>384309720
America is the Chad of the world so of course betas are going to be obsessive and defensive.

>>384305413
I don't see any GPUs being dumped. Prices are still sky high.

>>384313084
no, bitcoin got attention because of ransomeware
new people found out about it, shoved money into the process, and the cycle began again
and now it's the part of the cycle where everything goes down for a year or two

>>384313006
Well the the only thing that's likely to fail would be the fan.

>spends thousands of dollars in hardware and cards to mine cryptocurrencies
>ends up making like $30 at the end of it
>hopes that the coins will go up in value
>they crash constantly and never climb back up
>b-b-but muh bitcoins

Cryptokiddies are to economics what perpetual energy people are to physics.

>>384312242
I know, it's astonishing.

>>384313119
>24/7 vs AT MOST 6 hours/day
>at a higher volume of output
maybe if youre comparing it to buying a card used for gaming over YEARS but why the fuck would you do that anyway?

>>384313315
How easy is it to replace a GPU fan, anyway? Where do you get replacements?
I should probably do something about mine, the noise it makes is terrible.

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>>384305413

I've had an aftermarket used-for-mining HD 7970 for almost 3 years and it's still going strong.

$110 well spent.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWyG4C
Bought this yesterday
I'm gonna mine bitcoin

>>384313141
i know that part, the guy i responded to said it was going to alienhunterfags. personally i think it would be cool if this processing power was generating cryptocurrency while also being used for a practical application. alien hunting, in this case, beign practical to some meth user

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>want to get a 1060 6gb SC
>have to pay nearly double it's retail

>>384307043
You say this because you don't want /v/ competing with you on ebay.

You guys want the real answer?, ask on /g/. And it will always be the same: install gentoo

>>384313339
they're worse because they literally damage the earth by burning tons of electricity to mine autism pesos

>>384307730
Modern AI is nothing like the human brain and it doesn't do anything regarding neural activity.
Modern AI is basically the application of statistical models.
Each calculation in statistics is an easy calculation, but yeah, you have a fuck ton of them to do.

By the way, the big difference between GPU and CPU, besides the core count, is a GPU focuses on Single Instruction Multiple Data instructions, especially those concerning floating point.

>>384313480
Aliexpress. Fans are a bitch to buy from someone who isn't a chink.

>>384313292
ETH is at 1/3 of its price 2 weeks ago, maybe 1/2 at best. but its becoming less profitable after people ave bought in huge on GPUs. so in the coming month you can expect people to liquidate

>>384313339
they're more like day traders

>>384307738
just because you used a question mark didn't mean you asked a question
you made a statement with an agenda

yes, the best way to get money of any sort is by illegal means, which is why currency will never ben recognized and traded in the world market

They're still stupidly over priced. Where are you seeing these gpu resells?

>>384309914
> Obsessed with height

Manlet detected

>>384313619
good luck. afaik, using a single rig to mine is completely unfeasible at this point in time. even mining in a group or however you would call that wont net you much

>>384309720
As a Canadian I really don't care much about america because all the memes that apply to them always apply to us too ;_;

Maybe i can finally buy a gpu at a reasonable price

>>384305517
It's China's fault, when China goes down crytocurrency will rise again.

After 10 years of toaster , this month I finally decide to build a decent computer. And I have to pay like $400 for a mid tier GPU.

FUG

>>384308926

My HD6850 which mined 1 BTC in 3 days back in 201- something died a month after I stopped my man. You're a retard if you believe that pumping electricity 24/7 into a consumer GPU doesn't do shit.

>>384311827
You can overclock ANY CPU via voltage you unedcuated /v/spastic.

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>>384313163
>you just reach out to dying startups you happen to know about or what?
Yes, but also every state has an official state bankruptcy liquidator, and every big region has a bunch of local ones as well. It might take a bit of time to learn the ins and outs of your area, but it's well worth it. Used business gear getting liquidated is cheap, it's generally been very well taken care of, and not many other private citizens bother to ever learn about it either.

>but if you want to list components that you dont really have to worry about being used, id appreciate it
Pretty much anything enterprise grade. Networking gear (switches, routers, PDUs, etc), everything rack related, special purpose kit like DVI/DP/USB<>fiber optic extenders (which is why I can have my desktop/screens/etc a few hundred feet from my actual machine), quality KVMs, UPSes (only thing that wears out is the battery after 5 to 7 years, but those are all super easily replaced in business class gear, often without even shutting it off), NAS units, etc. Also, in particular anything built really well often is really heavy, so shipping is a huge bitch if you don't have some specialize mass volume freight agreement. So if you're able to go get it yourself massive bargains are available. I got my new, great shape 42U NetShelter VX rack that I use for everything now, that's like a $1650+ new item and I got it for $130 cash on the table.

Beyond that, sometimes even super nice direct vidya stuff is available for dirt and it's almost never been used hard. A friend scored a bunch of nearly top-of-the-line GPUs that had gone into executive penis stroking machines bought due to VC-funded mania. This was a few years ago, I think they were GTX 780s, even today perfectly respectable cards. He got them for $75 each, and they'd only ever been used for power point, excel and probably solitaire or some shit. Reason that's not more common is that ex-employees often snatch all that glorious treasure up first.

>>384314302
did you already buy? crypto is crashing hard, mining-specific gpus are coming out. you can wait another few months to put it all together you goddamn nigger, and you wont have to pay meme prices for a gpu

>>384309329
hes upset, poor fella

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>>384308926
t.ebay seller

>>384314548
No one is overclocking Xeons. They're designed for 24/7 operation too and generally kept in better environmentally controlled environments then typical. I've never worried about it and never had a problem, my main personal server is a 12-core Xeon system from 2010 that has run basically non-stop and has zero issues.

Going forward I'd probably pick AMD for that role though, single thread isn't as important and fuck Intel for their ECC bullshit in general.

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I got a 1070 8gig founders edition early open box at Micro Center.

I sure do fucking love Micro Center.

>>384314562
im moving back to Los Angeles soon, unfortunately. they should have a good market for that shit, no? how do i go about finding a state bankruptcy liquidator, just throught google>

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They're making mining only gpus right? Will that return things to normal?

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>>384308672

>near GTX 780 performance

>low end

>>384315016
i think it will, but i almost expect the crypto market to crash soon enough that it will go back to normal before then and the mining cards will flop

>>384308926
Glad there is someone sensible who hasn't fallen for the manufacturer shilling bullshit like most of the retards in this thread. As long as whatever card it is was manufactured with decent quality vrms and power phases for gpu/memory in the first place it'll be fine.

>>384305413
>get fucked over by miners
>still buy used gpu from them after they are done with it.
If you do this you are a cuck. Wait for manufacturers to restock and buy from them

How exactly does this cryptocurrency shit even work?

>>384305413
PC master race amirrite

>>384315271
it uses rendering power to create waifus. Each waifu is unique and beautiful and equivalent to one coin

>>384307184
i paid 220 for xfx rx 480
510 for a msi 1080 gaming x might replace with vega if it's good

>>384315271
>>>/biz/

>>384315271
No one here is going to spoon feed you the whole logistics of it. Easy answer it's valuation is based off proof of work. No coin cannot exist without the blockchain of the rest of the computers on it accepting that it was made. There is daily cap of 1800 coins that can be mined an all time cap of 21 million these figures are strictly for BTC. It has a higher value than gold. Decentralized currency also is the future, if you hat e it, you're a fucking bank agency that doesn't want to lose control. Bitcoin is about true ownership. Not lending firms.

>>384314991
Yeah, just google it, if you've got any bros working in tech keep your ear out. Everywhere has some required-by-law places where public auctions wrt bankruptcies has to be announced but often it's somewhere obscure, but it's clear if you know where to look. Glance at that from time to time, see if it looks like a tech-related company. Monitors are another one to keep an eye out for.

FWIW, don't discount ancillary stuff either if you don't have quality there already. Shit like furniture, a good office chair can make life a lot more pleasant over some rickety garbage and that's the sort of thing you can often find in great shape cheap, they're good for probably a decade at least so a few years old for 90%+ off is nothing.

>>384315271
GPUs run an algorithm to generate codes which are the digital signatures of fake money. You can buy and sell fake money for stuff or real money. Over time the algorithm makes it so the digital signatures generate slower. So in the beginning a GPU farmer can make lots of fake money codes. At the end, it will take a bajillion years to make one fake money. So there's limited amounts of fake money in the world. Once we have quantum computers we'll be able to instantly hack the fake money crytography and make infinite fake money codes and destroy cryptocurrency forever.

>>384315418
I'd mine waifucoin and never spend them.

>>384315581

So bitcoins and the like are basically a real-life idle game. Got it.

>>384315581
To bad quantum computing is so fucking far off, that we were fucking wrong this entire time and have to redo all the math for it over the next decade before the next "test" quantum computer is made.
Also largest super computers currently have about 10k GPU set ups, meanwhile bitcoin miners have 30k or more.

>>384309720
Americans are the laughing stock of this planet.

It's like watching a retarded monkey fingering its own ass. Americans act embarassing and hilarious on a daily basis.

>>384315504
How the fuck is an all digital currency about ownership?

>>384313339
>Cryptokiddies are to economics what perpetual energy people are to physics.
Cryptokiddies are an impossible situation in the field of economics?

Anyone actually used these coins to buy something?

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>>384315581
>Once we have quantum computers we'll be able to instantly hack the fake money crytography and make infinite fake money codes and destroy cryptocurrency forever.
Doubt it since there are already a bunch of good candidates for quantum secure asymmetric crypto algorithms, lattice based for example. A GPQC isn't magic, it doesn't make P=NP as far as we know, it just accelerates certain specific operations, some of which happen to be very useful/applicable to current crypto (prime factorization). If it turns out there really isn't any asymmetric crypto that works after GPQC though hooboy will that be a fucking mess. We'll still have totally secure cryptography but key distribution/authentication will become massively more hassle, the net as we know it would be destroyed. It'd huge favor powerful centralization.

Let's really hope that's not the case.

>>384307043
the chip is perfectly fine, intact miners usually undervolt too, its really the fans you should be worried about. these actual only moving parts

>>384315836
I bought $100 worth of vidya during the steam summer sale using bitcoin.

>>384315581
all money is fake money

>>384316082
Commonly accepted currency is effectively "real". Fake money like bitcoins, wampum, or gold are only valuable to the few people who accept them.

>>384316010
>its really the fans you should be worried about. these actual only moving parts
Yeah, but the failure modes for fans tend to follow a bathtub curve and are use independent, hell if anything constant use is often a lot healthier for electric motors then constant start/stop cycles. In fact a LOT of electronics and even mechanical gear is happier being run constantly steady state then experiencing flux, it's the spikes/valleys that are really hard on it.

At any rate fans/coolers are easy to replace on any decent GPU anyway, in fact a lot of people might want to purely to adapt it to their own rigs.

>>384315789
There are no accounts, a bitcoin generated is solely on that device. If that device is destroyed, lost, stolen. Those bitcoins are inactive without the private key and there is a limited number of bitcoins. Treat them as if actual gold. Once a bitcoin is on your PC or digital wallet, it can be considered to be a physical currency as if that physical device is lost with the private key the currency on that device no longer works and becomes inert.

is there a list of all these types of currency?

Hey, AMD cards are back to only 2x MSRP instead of 3-4 times.
Maybe I'll be able to get a GPU in August like I planned after all.

Does anyone have that screencap of some Redditor buying up as many GPU as he can and while being a complete faggot defending his actions against people who got mad at him? Asking for a friend.

>>384315271
>people buy graphic cards to print monopoly money

>>384309914
>obsession with height

dont worry you'll be a big boy some day :)

>>384316527
did he get hit with karma or something?

>>384315759
And yet here you are- talking about us non-stop, speaking our language, following our political scene, using our programs to play your pc games, complaining about us online on a fucking video game image board (because that'll make a change). You're in the denial stage right now. You're trying in vain to deny that you're angry and jealous that by random chance, you were born into a fucking dirt shithole country that literally no one gives a fucking shit about. Instead of doing something about it, you go online and vent your anger at an entire country, because everyone there is better off than everyone in your shit-tier, third world poverty town.
And for whatever idiotic reason you came up with in your malnourished brain, you honestly think that whining about it online where literally no one fucking cares will make it all better, and you'll wake up tomorrow not living in a fucking mud hut.

>>384307184
Sorry, I'm Canadian

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You guys know you can just apply new thermal paste right?

>>384315789
>How the fuck is an all digital currency about ownership?
When a state prints currency, it spends less to produce that currency than the value of the material it's made from (unlike with gold coins, or at least to a significantly greater degree).
This difference in the value to cost to produce is called, by economists, "Seigniorage" and it's a significant source of revenue for governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seigniorage

>why do I care?
Because the value is entirely artificial and has no basis in anything except the word of that government. At any time a government can, and most have, said "Nope lol"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_default
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_defaults

Which, by the way, America has done 6 times in its short history.

>>384316629
Pay him no mind friend. The peasants love to grumble about the King and make little satirical doodles, even as they work his fields, tread his roads, and pay his taxes.

>>384316629
>speaking our language
HAHAHAHAHAHA

I live near microcenter. all is well if you live near that store. open box deals are where it's at.

>>384315132
>performance of a 4 year old gpu

oh wow, by that logic a 770 is great because is several times more powerful than a early 90's supercomputer

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>mfw in my country the normal gpu price is higher than the usa inflated prices

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>>384305501
>>384306974

>Actuallly 70% of Mining is about creating the most efficient and stable environment for your graphics card. This includes undervolting, downclocking, etc. An unstable card results in downtime and time is money. It's far more likely for a farm to favor lower hashrate and better GPU longevity and uptime over max temps, poor efficiency, and crashes.
The most frequent cause of a dead GPUs outside of manufacturing defect are from frequent power/thermal cycling cracking the solder balls in the BGA chip. Gaming has a higher tendency to damage cards than mining with it's steady power and thermals. Then take into account how many gamers overclock for that extra bit of performance, pushing their cards beyond 100% stable and you vastly increase the likely hood of a dead GPU.
I'd rather buy a GPU from an experienced miner, than from a gamer with unknown variables and frequent power/thermal cycling. Sure the card has been heavily used for mining but it's been run in such a way that is to preserve hardware.

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>>384316817

I live about 25 minutes away from micro center. I drive, smoke some cigarettes, enjoy the breeze with the window down, and then I get good prices on PC parts. Bretty gud.

>>384316778
Truth friend. Let us celebrate our good fortune by burning some money outside, followed by playing whatever video games we want to because we can afford them?

>>384312026
whoops

I should change it to robotech thinking

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>>384307586

>Have two old GTX Cards.
>Naughty.png
>Put them up on Ebay for 400$'s
>Miner eats it up.

Every time my dudes. Miners don't even have an idea what hardware specs mean and don't pay attention to fine print. Throw anything up and they'll eat it up for the prospect of elusive coin niblets.

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>>384314917
I reserved a EVGA hybrid 980ti open box today, going to pick it up tomorrow. It's basically a watercooled 1070. I'll test it out for a month or so and probably send it off to EVGA for a 1080ti via the step up plan.

I do love me some microcenter.

>>384317536
step up plan? please elaborate.

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>>384317290
>smoke some cigarettes
so glad I quit desu senpai. I only dude weed it now.

I live 6 miles from MC and in Dallas they have open box deals all the time. You can get an EVGA 1080 classified for 526 right now. pretty amazing desu

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Is it possible to get good cards from walking into best buy or something?

Or will it be overpriced?

http://www.microcenter.com/product/467422/GeForce_GTX_1080_Classified_8GB_GDDR5X_Gaming_Video_Card_w-_ACX_30_Cooling?ob=1

>>384317325
Oh shit. I have an old as fuck GTX 470 sitting here gathering dust. I need to try that.

>>384317810
It is, but last time I went into a bestbuy, Most of their shelf space is empty. When you ask why, most reply with most of our stock is online and therefore it's in the back not on shelf units.

>>384312673
GPU fans are designed to run non-stop though. It's only fairly recently that GPUs started spinning their fans down to 0RPM when idle.

And running calculations and generating heat don't wear a GPU out. The only things that do are overheating (which isn't happening) or overvolting (which isn't happening).

GPUs aren't human beings, anon. They don't "get tired working in the mines" for fucks sake.

>>384317810
No, most major retailors get sub par production quality in parts to bring their costs down. It's far and away not a meme, this is why walmart gets shit on so hard for just about anything. Only buy direct from dedicated sources.

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>>384317774

I quit weed awhile ago desu senpai. Cigarettes are the last thing on my list to get rid of.

>>384317994
>gpu fans are designed to run at nonstop
Until the rules of nature in of itself friction kills the ball bearings.

>>384317870
>1 open box in stock at local store for $518.96

Hmm...but I already bought a freesync monitor so I'll wait for vega.

>>384317708
https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/

>buy card from microcenter or wherever
>register within 15 days
>you now have 90 days to step up to a better card
>upload invoice of purchase
>they verify
>you pay difference of card you are upgrading to
>send in your card
>they send you back the step up card

EVGA is the best when it comes to customer service..I've stepped up in years past. Also, my friend had a evga gtx 780 die on him towards the end of his warranty and they sent him a gtx 970.

>>384318139
With GPUs at Best Buy they're the same things you'd get from Amazon or NewEgg just a lot more limited selection.

The problem is right now they're not putting the stock out, and the managers are buying them up and flipping them on ebay.

>>384315558
jesus christr, anyone want some ps3s or xbox 360s?

https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/timed/ara-liquidations/catalogue-id-ara-li10022

>>384317708
evga used to allow you to pay the difference in price to update to the newer, stronger card. I thought they stopped doing it though.

>missed out on the bubble because I kept putting it off
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>384317810
yes. all this GPU overprice meme shit needs to stop. it's only mid tier stuff. GTX 1080s are priced fine. I walked into best buy on saturday and they had founder edition 1080s for 549. That is normal price. You aren't getting fucked if you just buy the flagship cards. the price raping is with the 1060/1070s

>>384318270
wow i didnt know that. nice.

>>384311324
fuck no. there's a huge stigma here about buying used gpus.

fuck off, whitey.

>>384308926
A live reenactment of Chloe's death?

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>>384318469
evga is a great company. they're based out of california. So closer you live to cali, sooner you'll get your package. Turnaround on step ups is very quick once this process gets rolling and you're out of the queue line.

Should I buy 1080Ti for $799 now?
Can't want anymore desu

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>>384318406
they've never stopped doing it. Here are the current list of cards available to step up to.

>>384318698
you can find them under 799

Been looking to get a 1070. Is $430 a pretty standard price for an EVGA one?

>>384318698
Yes.

>>384318698
https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-6391-KR

$699 m8, there ya go. those shits are in stock too

>>384318585
i just ordered a 1080, got it from gigabyte tho, was a steal.

>>384318870
399-450 is about what 1070 should go for, so yes imo.

>>384314904
>No one is overclocking Xeons.
Once again, /v/ proves it doesn't know what the fuck it is talking about in regards to hardware.

>>384308195
Yeah, I got mine for $165 a year ago. Kinda wish I sold it for ~400 before the eth crash

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>>384318445

>$549
>normal price

The 1080's MSRP was cut to $499 when the 1080 Ti came out. Used ones were nearing $400 before mining.

>>384319159
can confirm, just got a gigabyte 1080 for 499 off amazon

>>384315016
>>384315145
No because miners have no value in reselling mining specific cards

I HAVE AN FX-8320 AND A 1060

AM I VR READY

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>>384314562
>official state bankruptcy liquidator
This is making my inner-Jew giggle in delight at the thought. So just do some Googling about and I can find one? Sweet.

>>384313292
People will keep mining or mine other memecoins

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>>384319295
>not selling your mining cards to other miners

>>384318972
>>384318857
Forgot to mention, I was going after MSI - all my previous cards were from them and I never had any problems. Not sure about EVGA

>>384318585
I don't trust evga after their exploding 1000 series

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i thought people used these things because they were better than gpus at mining bitcoin
what happened, did the power shift back in favor of gpus when the 10-series came out?

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I have never seen such a flagrant display of no-coiner cuckery before in my entire life.

You are destined to a life filled with manchild obessions and wageslavery.

>>384319534
had an msi and the fans were way too loud, didn't care for the red meme plastic casing either. I took it back.
>>384319625
never had a problem with my cards. Only time i've had to use their customer service was for a step up and my card was to me within a week.

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How the fuck does crypto currency work.
Can someone explain it to a brainlet like me. Is it all just a meme?

>>384319883
It's a meme pretty much.

>>384319883
The only winning move is not to play

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>run small computer repair and building business
>end up with an assortment of 970s, 980s, 1060s, and 1070s that aren't being used for various reasons
>set them up on a couple of old motherboards with cobbled together parts in the back closet
>currently making ~430$ a month in Ethereum at current market price, was nearing 1000$ a month before it crashed
>paying out roughly 5% of my profits in extra electricity

This shit is amazing if you don't have to buy your cards

>>384319883
it's like circlejerk threads on /vg/

>>384319692
Some new coins were developed that made mining on AMD Polaris hardware really economical.
Nvidia cards went through the roof too due to demand from gamers for whom Nvidia was suddenly temporarily the affordable option, and demand from miners once the miner code was ported to Cuda.

I thought the digital Pokemon card currency meme died years ago? People are still buying into that scam?

>>384309329
y u mad?
but you rite

>>384319692
You can't use those for mining the current hot alt coins.

>>384305517
>the cryptocurrency meme went as soon as it came

Bitcoin has been hugely profitable for people who got in early for like 6 years.
At least some people have gotten rich off of eth too.

>>384309720
>go on to literally any website a few days ago
>HELP US FIGHT NET NEUTRALITY
>as if any US politician would give a single fuck about any non-american in the slightest
>as if you're worthless "petition" will have an impact with your FCC leader who is 100% blatantly against net neutrality and what he says goes

>>384319950
I wish I had free computer shit laying around.

>>384312135
This, only good goys buy things new instead of just from reputable sellers

>>384318857
I just registered my card. How do I access the step up program? I got my card last month.

>>384319883
Every transaction that happens is stored on a big ass ledger that is shared between nodes. The miners verify new groups of transactions (blocks) by working to find a random number called a nonce that allows the cryptographic hash to be verified and added to the rest of the transactions on the list. The people who mine (verify the blocks) are rewarded with a small amount of currency over time.

>>384320507
did you register your card within 15 days? To get to stepup you just go to "my products" click "view details" on your registered card, and you should see the step up option then. should tell you how many days etc

this is what is on the website

Register your qualifying 3 Year Warranty product purchased new from an authorized reseller within 14 days of your original purchase date.
If you should happen to miss your 14 day registration window on your qualifying 3 Year Warranty product then you may also purchase an extended warranty within 90 days of your original purchase date to enable the Step-Up option.

i

>>384319883
Old money used to be backed up by gold (gold standard) as a guarantee that "this $1 right here is worth $1 of gold" so we'd print x amount of money to match x amount of gold we had, this is called commodity money
We no longer use gold standard and have what's called fiat money that is instead backed up by the government, meaning that the "hey this $1 of money right here is worth $1 we guarantee it because our economy is great and we got an awesome military and our country is super safe and awesome as fuck dawg"
Fiat money by itself is worthless, it's the reason why Zimbabwe's money is basically fucking monopoly dollars and why the US Dollar can be used fucking nearly anywhere on Earth
Cryptocurrency is basically fiat money put online and it's not backed by any government, but instead it's unable to be counterfeited and the supply of bitcoins is restricted, they aren't making up billions of bitcoins everyday
People agree to exchange bitcoins for goods and services, so it has value, its value is based on what people perceive it to be

tl;dr yes cryptocurrency is a meme that will die soon

>>384320862
Well crap had I known I would have

oh well at least I got the 3 year warranty.

>>384321015
>buys evga
>doesn't know about the step up program

you're own fault desu senpai. If you really want to step up you can get the extended warranty

>>384321106
Can't really afford anything and anything more then what I got is over kill for my current system.

I always buy them just because of their support and warranty

>>384307184
got mine for $180 cheaper than they're going for now

>could've sold my coil-whining 1060 for the price of a pre-miner 1070

Kill me now.

>>384307326

t. Miner

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Hasn't affected the retail prices yet.

See pic, was taken just now.

>>384317174
kys mining shill

I bought my 1070 for 330$ at Fry's. I should have sold it to the miners

How badly did I fuck up?

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>>384319326

>bulldozer

AMD's new CPUs are out. You have no excuse.

>>384316616

People do exploitative shit to make a quick buck all the time and usually make out fine. Most just don't brag about it on plebbit.

>>384319295
but it means miners will be less likely to buy cards not specifically meant for mining. the other half of my post talks about the devauluation of etherium, which means more used cards on the market, which could mean that new prices go down as well

>>384305501
With the amount of money saved from buying used hardware over the last two decades the next ten GPUs I buy used could fail and it would be still be a net positive for me.
Easily.

>>384319715
>fans were too loud
you can set a fan curve with msi afterburner. my rx 480 never got louder than my case fans, though theyre old so maybe that has something to do with it. still not intrusive in any way

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>tfw my computer died last week
>had to replace everything
>$450 for a fucking 1060 GTX
>can't even return it unless it's DOA because buttcoin miners fucked the return market

I fucking hate /biz/, I hope each and every one of them lose everything.

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I give up trying to explain to retarded kids why running TWEN'Y FOUR SEVEN A HUNNERD PERCENT FULL LOAD isn't actually as big of a deal as they think it is.

go ahead, waste your money. Cheaper GPUs for me.

>>384323483
Ah yes, GPUs don't burn out.

And harddrives never fail!

>>384305413
i bought a powercolor r9 390 for a little over $300 when it first came out. now if i google them there is none left or they are for sale for $400-$1000
is this card even that good? should i sale mine . do you think anyone will buy it. is it really worth that much now ? this is retarded.

>>384305501
>being retarded enough to throw money at vendors when you can get the same product 8 months later for half the price

>believing their lies and thinking used hardware is less reliable

shill plz go

>>384323415
you can get a 1070 for that price, you didn't look veryhard online

>>384306176
graphics are made by doing math, anon.

>>384324005
After 100,000 hours they have a chance to. Even miners don't get near those hours.

>>384307003
Fuck off Dobson

>>384320178
but what if we bring down the almighty trump's hand of judgement?

>>384308465
RX570

>>384307586
fuck i shoulda sold my 290

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are neostocks crypto currency?

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>>384307184
>mfw bought 1070 months before mining started up again

>>384315386
Yeah haha us console gamers huh?

>>384323415
You know, you could have just manged with on-board graphics until prices normalized

>>384305413
hahaha so glad i bought my shit before this debacle. holy shit what a shit show

>GPU starting to die
>Need new one
>1070 is 800 fucking ausbucks
>1080 is 1.1k+

What the fuck crypto

>>384305501
depends on the hardware in question.

>bought a 1060 6gb for 400$
What the fuck crypto. Oh wait, that's the normal cost of that card in my tax hell country.

is /biz/ desperate now?

>>384305413
>Have an overly optimistic friend that goes "dude we should like make our own company and get in on this cryptocurrency shit"
>doesn't know how it works
>doesn't have a solid idea on how or why it would be profitable in our conditions
>purely a manager type "this seems to be the new hot thing, we got to get on it, you guys figure it out"
I mean....he is basically the ideas guy, isn't he?

>>384330874
>have been thinking about getting an RX570
>decide to pull the trigger
>go to PCCG
>SOLD OUT SOLD OUT SOLD OUT SOLD OUT

Fuck.

>>384332027
He's not even that, since he doesn't even have an idea. Just the recognition that other people are having ideas that are panning out, so he should try to get in on it, some how. All trying to capitalize on the market, absolutely no idea how to actually get into a market.

>>384305501
Depending how's the market and what thing

Pretty sure it's better to buy Thinkpads secondhand

>>384306176
>has no understanding about computer components and can't do basic research

>>384332917
That's what bothers me. He is tech illiterate and knows virtually nothing about the thing other than it's doing good, got to get in on that shit.
Actually tells me
>Dude, I have like little expertise in the area and you are the IT guy, so we should start a company here and do crypto currency, we will split it 50/50, cause I definetly think it's worth investing into.
I smile politely but my gut churns in protest and I hold back a massive cringe

>decline in crypto
time to buy in, then? What do you recommend? ETH? Dogecoin?

>>384333464
King bitcoin

>>384305413
If you truly believe this, you shouldn't build computers

Mining cards are usually in way better shape than gaming cards due to how thermal expansion works.

>>384317325
>Miners don't even have an idea what hardware specs mean and don't pay attention to fine print
With hashing, memory speed matters more than core clock speeds. They're paying to get the best memory for their money. Even if you overpay for a 290 it's a better memoryperformance:cost ratio than paying msrp for a new model, because newer cards focus more on clock speeds than memory because they're aimed at vidya.

>>384332027
This could've worked couple of month ago.
A year ago too.
5 years ago you'd be billionaires by now.

Now it's all over.

>>384313365
Holy shit anon. You do realize that cards aren't "fueled" by anything right? They don't get used over time. If anything, the constant variation in temps due to gaming hurts more than staying at a stable temp and clock.

>>384333464
JUST BUY THE DIP

>>384333657
Still second hand, being sold at over market price. Not a great deal in the first place

>>384318285
Amazon and Newegg use third party sellers; they're like eBay for retailers.

Best Buy is their own retailer so they set the prices. Best buy sets their prices more consistently closer to the actual retail value of the card, so the result is that they're cheaper than 90% of the retailers on Amazon and Newegg, but you still might be able to find a better deal if one of the other two's third party sellers puts up a card for cheap. They get sold out in minutes when one of them does, though.

>>384333921
True. But saying that the cards are in worse shape because they've been mining is just completely retarded and I see it being said everywhere.

>>384319692
>at mining bitcoin
Bitcoin, yes. GPUs are no longer the best at mining bitcoin.

Etherium coins are a different story.

>>384333717
Exactly.
You invest into it when it's cheap, little know, and bound to blow up.
Now when everybody wants to get in on it.
Not when every idiot is getting in on this get rich quick and easy scheme.
And it's hard, it's so hard to not cringe at my friend when he has little idea of the market, how crypto even works and his entire contribution is "I believe this will be huge in the future, we should invest in it"

>friend who works at CEX
>got a guy come in with a bunch of GTX 1080 whatevers (don't know shit about computers)
>puts the price of all of them down to sell them off because that's how this works
>he puts aside the ones they already had that didn't come from minefags
>we bought them dirt cheap

gonna build up some gaming rigs and sell them off for a tidy little profit. Pays to have friends, /v/

OP once again is a huge faggot

>>384316206
>gold
>only valuable to the few people
topbait

>>384334051

>You invest into it when it's cheap, little know, and bound to blow up.
>Not when everybody wants to get in on it.

Are you dumb? You buy low, and sell high before the retards do. Always been that way

>>384334126
>Congratulations on your successful thread OP here is a bump
All that means.

>>384309329
Quiet good bait with that HDD

>>384334093
>he puts aside the ones they already had that didn't come from minefags
that's as retarded as "gpus that he new for sure weren't touched by penises"

>>384334226
>Are you dumb? You buy low, and sell high before the retards do. Always been that way
Yeah and the RETARDS are buying right now. That's EXACTLY my point.

Bought a 1080ti by selling my 1070 for 50 bucks more than I paid for it and selling my 290x earlier this month. Shits pretty great.