Icons: Combat Arena RIP PM edition

>>384300626
that art is so cool its a shame they cant replicate it in the game.

>>384300626
how much money do these guys have.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTo7DZ0dIOU
I want to reiterate how embarrassing it is that a solo autist in his basement made a more appealing game than AAA devs/designer with millions of dollars in funding. This guy got decent sound effects and music by himself but somehow Wavedash thinks it's acceptable to release a trailer with placeholder sounds.

>>384300995
6 gorillion dollars from some investors, they better start showing that money coming into use soon.

>>384300995
Six million, but at this point they've probably blown half of it on parties, advertising, and paid reddit shills.

>>384301292
>Those fucking effects

>>384301103
but was that since the star or recently because it doesn't look like they used any of it.

>>384301024
This looks a LOT worse than Icons

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since /v/ hates the designs of this not melee character, let's design some characters to see if we're any better. first 6 posts that end in an odd number will get their character drawn in ms paint. This will be the first set of /v/'s all stars.

>>384299737

Wii-u adapter or mayflash? which stage and which characters? The umbri-ai doesn't work and i fixed an issue causing certain characters to get stuck in moves but i may have missed one.

>>384300626
I hope they get more creative with stage design than "large flat platform with smaller platforms in various patterns above it".

I'd love to see them do a reverse Final Destination where the stage is like five platforms, three low and two high maybe, each with their own ledges, and that's the stage. No base level large "stage" but only smaller platforms. They need to be creative if they want me to not just play Melee and instead jump onto their slower more bland looking alternative.

>>384302158
I want a Kirby clone that is a smaller Kirby in a giant rolling orb. Think Super Monkey Ball.

>>384301292
>Lighting fast combat
>None of the effects or sounds that make it satisfying

It's like they don't know that one of the most satisfying things in any game is the sound, look, and feel of laying the smackdown on your foes.

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Project M is a horrible attempt at making a Nintendo party game into a legitimate fighting game.
Meleefags have to exploit bugs just to play. Sakurai was right in making the newer games focus on fun and friendship.

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>>384302241
I'm doing something like that.

>>384302158
I want a female genie dressed in thin-veiled clothing who is obviously NotSheik.

>>384302308
Name a single bug used in a typical Fox vs Marth match. Protip: there are literally zero

>>384302323
In your stages I always have trouble telling foreground from background.

Not sure how to fix that and I know the graphics are super rudimentary, but just thought I'd give some feedback.

>>384302323
I never played Smash competitively but your stuff looks way more appealing than Icons.

>>384302217
Wii-u adapter, yes correct drivers. Default stage, all characters for adapter not working correctly. I would just manually map controls but the screen for that on the launcher is zero help.

And it was the spear chick who decided to fly away. I've had several characters get stuck in traction/animation and slide along. It's basically unplayable for me. A shame. I see glimmerings of interesting ideas, but wow you aren't kidding when you say alpha

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>>384301292
>Captain falcon up throw -> dtilt -> 64 upsmash
>Fox upsmash -> 64 fair -> shine turnaround -> dj -> bair
They're not even trying to be discrete. Nintendo should sue

>>384302935
dj?

>>384302323
Post more of your things.

>>384302407
Moonwalking. Checkmate, atheists.

>>384302935
that girlmarth clip too

>>384301292
>Make a game based off the shittiest Smash game
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>384302146
>much better art direction
>much better sound effects
>original animations and character movesets rather than literally copy/pasting melee top tiers
The graphics are definitely ps2 tier but "Icons: Battle Arena" is the definition of a halfassed soulless money grab.

>>384303118
Brawl?

>>384300626

You're joking?
You're joking!
I can't believe my eyes
You're joking me, you gotta be
This can't be the Project M guys

>>384303158
>moneygrab
Isn't it F2P with cosmetics being purchasable?

>>384302407
Pivots.

>>384303047
double jump

>>384302407
Is an invincible ledge dash a bug? I'm not sure.

>>384302935
>Nintendo should sue
They can't. Fighting styles aren't something a company can own.

>>384303260
Only Melee fans would think that, it's the second worst, still better than Melee though.

>>384303264
It's just two of those guys on the team.
They people with actual talent are apparantly absent.

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>>384303279
Don't tell m2k

>that fucking ugly green dyke is the gdorf clone.

No thanks I'll stick to pm.

>>384302935
>project m, a free to play mod of a nintendo game made by a bunch of unpaid volunteers, ends development due to the devs fear of lawsuit from nintendo
>somehow wavedash, a vc backed company worth millions of dollars, thinks entirely copying nintendo's animations and profiting off them will be fine
I'm convinced the devs are retarded.

>>384302678
Thanks mang.

>>384302528
I think it's just distance and the FOV of the camera. This was taken with a fov of 25 which really pulls the background and foreground together. the game plays with a FOV of 55 so it should differentiate more but I can always move the background back further if it's a large issue. specially on a stage like this with little visibility.

>>384302921
Nah, your game is just fucked up because of your controls setup. I've had 100 people play the alpha so far and not a single one has mentioned the issues you are talking about.

You shouldn't touch the input window on the startup of the game, and if your GNC adapter and viijoy have anything besides the default configuration i'd recommend changing them back to default.

I just tested it on my end using the same setup, same characters on the same level and had no issues so i think it's a problem with your inputs/controller. There may have also been a problem with folder creation which errors out early and causes everything to break. I'll try deleting my folder structures and testing that out.

>>384303342
No, invincible ledgedashing is just wavelanding onto the stage before your ledge invincibility runs out.

>>384303584
It's perfect.

>>384302935
What really pisses me off is that they could balance it so that the characters were animated differently but had similar hitboxes and movesets.

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>>384303056

>>384302921
Also keep in mind, there will NEVER be a way to natively support the GCN controller with the official wii-u adapter. only with the mayflash adapter. This is because wii-u adapter doesn't broadcast HID and unity can't recognize it as a specific controller. it will always need gcn/viijoy and therefore it's prone to issues. I'd recommend using an xbox controller if you have one.

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>>384304003
Dolphin can use the official Wii-U GCN adapter.
That might mean it's possible in Unity? I know some people bypass Unity's standard controls system.

>>384303348
>implying nintendo doesn't have enough money to bankrupt waveshit
>implying even a public threat of an obviously deserved lawsuit won't ruin wavedash's name forever
They've already fucked themselves. Hurry and fail.

>>384304003
I already use an Xbox controller for 64 anyhow.

These look like much more creative "legal" stage designs than the Icons people are coming up with. There's really a huge combination of things you can do even with just platforms layouts but they seem to be just sticking to renditions of Melee stages. They've got that one stage that's like Stadium neutral but with two extra platforms above the existing ones and that's it.

I'd much prefer to see some things that break from the convention of just having one large platform and then smaller platforms above it.

>>384302935
don't forget the smash 4 zss up air.

>>384302323
>>384304175

I hope you don't pull a Notch on us if you hit the jackpot anon.

What character archetypes do you have covered so far?

>>384303782
This game is utter trash but I think they're safe from that. Doing what they want with Nintendo assets is one of the reason why PM was in hot water. Not to mention 3rd party characters like Sonic and especially Snake. With that out of the way, Nintendo is the least of their concerns right now.

If they increase gameplay speed by like 10% they'll have Melee speed and it'll be cool even if their designs look like something out of a mobile game.

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>>384304207
>FemMarth literally uses the Ken combo

>>384304207
>marth nair into ken combo

I didn't expect it to be this blatant

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>>384302308

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I just want a Smash style game with characters from every era and genre of anime/manga, from Goku to Madoka to Guts to Ryuuko. It's my impossible dream

>>384304398
Dolphin has a specific driver for it. The only way to do it would be to write my own driver to support it, which would still go outside unity anyway.

>>384304809
Dog i wouldn't be here if i didn't give a shit about the community. I play almost every online game competitively, OW, LoL, Dota, SC2. I'll never change who I am.

as for archetypes:
Slow-heavy hitter, ranged, zoner (Quake)
Super fast/mobile, combo heavy, light, weak kill moves (Surge)
Double/two character singular character (Umbri)
Quick, long range spacer (Nyxa)
Fast Heavy hitter but with noticable drawbacks (Andor)
Light, floaty, poke/combo heavy character with lack of kill moves (Anemos).

It's hard for me to describe DESU. I designed their playstyle to be changable. Andor for example has quick moves and quick hits, but doesn't combo well, he has a lot of heavy hit finishers but he's very heavy with good gravity to get combo'd. So take everything in this list with a grain of salt.

>>384305076
Hax's advice to me after he played at Royal Flush was "just put a 1.5x multiplier on the game, and this will be sick" It was fun. he was the best player i've played the game against, the only person to actually challenge me at the game, he learns quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_I_d_y3vg

The devs replied to this on the AMA so hopefully they can fix these trash ass animations.

What is with these people who make something everybody asks for and wants, and then going full fucking retard like Nostalrious?

>>384305558

Do you feel like you could be able to design a proper grappler character some time in the future? It really sucks that all we got in Smash is wobbling, chaingrabbing, and dthrow + uair with the occasional command grab special.

>>384305754
It just goes to show PM devs' talents were carried by Nintendo characters. Take that away, and you just get an unoriginal, mediocre looking game that belongs on mobile.

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>>384303782

They started Icon development while still working on Project M. Imagine if Project M was still being supported while this game came out, with FemMarth still doing the Ken Combo with point for point animations.

That's why they panicked at the idea of the C&D and cut the lifeline of Project M. What's disgusting though, is them not being honest and painting Nintendo as an absolute evil.

Why are people hoping this will fail? Why would anyone hope for something to fail? That's just childish and petty.

>>384306147
Yea, one character i have in design is a character is set up as a grapler with airgrabs.

>>384300626
Looks interesting, hopefully they manage to keep it up instead of letting it fall into obscurity like pretty much every smash clone did.

You could argue that its that way because its pre-alpha footage, but they REALLY need to change up the animations.

There is so much shit thats almost a copy paste from smash thats not even funny.

>>384306341

Main acquired.

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>>384306341
Any cute girls?

>>384305558
Whenever you have a public demo/alpha ready to go, definitely post about it here first.

>>384301024
when the video started I was gonna call you crazy but after watching the fight you're actually right. I'd most certainly play this over icons.

Don't underestimate solo autists in basements though, they can do amazing things

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Zhurong is just so cute! I want to smell her feet after a tough match!

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>>384300626
>people are always trying to kill off Melee and give Tr4sh the top spot
>PM died for this garbage
>Sakurai will never make a good Smash game again
We're in one hell of a shitty timeline

>>384306341
what kind of air grabs are we talking here

PM ganon's aerial side-b or PM Bowser's aerial side-b?

>>384306808
The next character I'll introduce will be a qt

>>384306843
I already do, I released to to my twitter/newsletter followers to guage things

But i'm gonna end it soon and prepare a better version with more improvements to come out in a week or 2.

>>384306863
I'll have you know I live in the spare room not the basement

>>384306981
stop it, you're making me want to play this game for her!

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>>384307065
No timeline is shitty as long as we have Melee anon

>>384307127
not sure, I'd like to do just a variant of normal grabs but in the air, but command-grabs in the air are sweet too. Not 100% locked in yet. Ideally it would just be jump -> press Z and you grab them.

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>>384305558
>the dev is literally in the thread

>>384307340
He's the Melee Master dev not Icons dev

>>384306339
To spite the people that made it.

All you gotta do is put waifus in your game and it will stay afloat

>>384302308
How come /v/ praises smash for being casual yet will shit literally any other game that is casual?

>>384307679
nintenbros

>>384301024
Project M was made by a handful of coordinated autists in basements and it looks better than this AAA game.

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>>384303369

>>384302308
Project M has content specifically aimed at people who want to play it as a party game. Shit like the remastered SSB64 stages aren't intended for competitive play, nor are game modes like no-borders stamina.
You can enjoy a game casually without dumbing the game down for anyone who wants to think while playing.

>>384307679
Smash is the only series where /v/ will defend:

>cut features
>simplified physics engines
>dumbed down gameplay
>sluggish combat

>>384306147
Brawl Minus Bowser is literally Zangief

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idk guys i think it'll end up being good

>>384307983
It's a party game, it doesn't really matter.

>>384308074
Go away Strong Bad

>>384307983
It's basically only nintenkiddos who defend that type of shit. They think anything complex or with depth is not fun because they suck at video games.

t.Melee player who has owns every Nintendo console

>>384308136
Mario Party has always been a series of party games but that doesn't mean there aren't games in the series that are better/worse than others due to design choices. Nobody would want to play 9 or 10 over 1-7.

>>384307679
nothing wrong with casual

>>384308276
Say this in an Overwatch thread

I look forward to curbstomping f2p pubshitters

>>384308384
But anyone who doesn't want to be casual would just play TF2 instead of Overwatch

>>384308527
And then they would go into an overwatch thread and shitpost.

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>>384300626
so are we going to reach a point where military shooters won't be considered "generic" anymore by a good portion of consumers, and cartoony looking games probably shooters will be considered generic? will it happen in the next 5 years?

where can i get invited to a focus group testing lol

>>384300858
Art seems bland to me because character desings are boring.

>>384308812
Chinese garbage has already made it generic.

>>384308817
you can sign up for the open beta on their website, but the focus group testing is no doubt restricted to their own circlejerk

>>384308136
>party game
Yeah, right, this and mario party are the same kind of game.

>>384302158
A kirby that is clint eastwood

>>384302158
Ashani from the trailer but a much more cool and iconic design instead of just strong womyn in armor

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>The game's 'star' character is the Fox clone

Because of course he is, fucking Meleefags

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>>384308812
Like this anon: >>384309159
mentioned, anything that looks like Chinese or Korean garbage looks generic. You know the type of art without me having to mention. It's basically every KR or Chinese RPG ever made.

I don't think Cartoony stuff will look generic in general, only certain styles will.
It's easier to have more visual variation in cartoony stuff than in brown 'n bloom shooters. The current view towards military shooters will probably remain until we see an influx of cartoony games, but even then the games we are seeing still manage to look their own way. Battleborn looks nothing like Overwatch, and it looks nothing like Paladins and that looks nothing like Gigantic.

If you're making a military shooter, it's going to look like a military shooter. End of story.

>Art style looks like a generic blizzard mobile MOBA rip off
The character designs are almost ok, but I don't see this really catching on.

Is this the same as Wavedash, or is that another project? I remember there being a game called Wavedash a while back that Mike Z was apparently helping with, but everything seemed to disappear about it.

Get ready for 30 more years of Melee or until the last CRT breaks.

>>384301024
Oh man I forgot about this, fucking amazing that it somehow looks better than Icons.

>>384306210
I don't think they painted Nintendo out to be evil, just zealous in their copyrights. People aren't even allowed to stream PM on twitch without getting banned.

>space ogre and goat fukboi are looking to be their title characters
>they're the most looking designs featured

>>384313786
They went out of their way to make the shutdown of PM look mysterious which made everyone assume it was legal threats from Nintendo that had caused them to do it. They made very little effort to dissuade people from that notion as well, as you can tell by the fact everyone still thinks the thing got a C&D even though it never did.

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I'm so fucking glad that I got to see a sequel to the Battleborn travesty in my lifetime. The only way to make this more perfect is if Nintendo released a quality smash game around the same time that this comes out. I love watching generic sci-fi mess games fail.

Their fox clone looks like garbage, I dread that their Snake and Sonic clones will be.

>>384306341
If you're still around, I am still having controller issues. Deleted everything associated with your game, including the config files. Use an xbox controller. The game does not detect it. Setting up a GC one has the same issues. If I use a DI device, it's mapped retardedly by default but it works (though only dpad works, not analog). Are you sure your latest alpha demo is set up right?

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>>384316661
Yes im 100% sure its set up, I just tested it locally again trying to replicate. something is wrong on your end.

Also it's not detecting the xbox controller because it's detecting other controllers that rank higher up in the player list. So unplug your wii-u adapter and make sure in your device manager vjoy virtual controller isn't there. if it still doesn't detect the xbox controller as player 1, theres a log file that dumps the connected controllers, you could take a look at that and it should list which devices you have that are being detected before the xbox controller. I'm working on setting it up so you can specify which "player" index to start looking for a controll from then wrap around but it's a bit cumbersome.

check this image. vjoy device shouldn't be there for it to recognize the xbox controller as first player.

>>384304175
I know it's like pre alpha, but the color differentiation and contrast between the foreground and background here needs a lot of work.

>>384305558
As long as I get a trap style character like Snake, I'm solid.

>>384318747
You're right. I'll change the texture for the ground.

Quake is kind of like snake but not entirely. I'm planning a dagger wielding lightning based character that will lay traps and zone control.