Favorite Pokémon Game?

>>384284640
You posted it OP
>forces you to try something new
>actual plot with actual twists
>good characters
>best final boss

>>384284640
BW2 are the best imo

HGSS and Platinum are close too though

>>384284640
Platinum. D/P perfected the original pokemon formula of 'collect the badges, fight an evil orginization, collect a legendary', offering optional areas, an overall good pokemon selection, likable enough characters, and the best world map in the series. Platinum is a straight up improvement over D/P.

5th gen essentially soft rebooted the series and the games just havent been the same since.
inb4
>but you just grew up
I still enjoy plat and HGSS the same way I did when I got them. I dropped SuMo cause I got bored after the second island.

>>384284640
Emerald partially because of nostalgia

Emerald, although I only played 3th and last gen.

>>384284640
pokemon XD gale of darkness
>inb4 XD go to reddit
don't say a word I'm already there

>>384284640
hgss

>>384285667
>This
Pokemon should stick to this format every other game

>>384284640

>pic related

Best Pokemon game in like a decade and will stay that way for me for a long time

>All new Pokemon, was fun figuring out types
>Excellent Music
>Actual Plot
>Good characters, gyms
>GHHHHETTTTTTTSHIT....GETTTTTTSHITTT...

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>best pokemon designs
>for the first time animated pokemons
>a 2nd region to play through

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>>384285425
Yeah they suddenly got good in gen 5 with an actual plot, characters and real post game. allowing the player to fight every single vip at their absolute best.
In addition to the first ever hard mode option, and making the game in general more convient, from running indoors to reusing tms and being able to heal your party without going back and forth between the party screen and your item screen. The sprites looked amazing and the game didn't struggle to run smoothly.
Gen 5 has the best games in the series from and objective standpoint, sadly gen 6 and 7 have been trash so far.

>>384286063
I do agree that g5 is good, but you can't deny it was part of a larger shift in formula that ultimately lead to disaster. 6 and 7 are absolutely terrible. I legit don't even think Xy or Sumo are worth playing. They legit aren't good games.

BW and BW2 are absoltuely solid titles.

>>384286420
What's so bad about 6 and 7? For me Pokemon is Pokemon. I can't even rank the games because they are all easy and the story doesn't interest me in any of them.

>>384285425
>an overall good pokemon selection
D/P did a terrible job at that, half of the dex are cross evolutions for pokémon you couldn't even get in the game, an awful lack of fire types even though one of the elite four was a fire specialist, some of the new pokémon were good though
>the best world map in the series
As a region Sinnoh feels like a chore to explore, too much HM shit and Mt Coronet is just a gigantic, generic looking cave that forces you to constantly carry at least two HM slaves to explore it, the water routes are dead ends (and if you are playing DP its an ever bigger pain in the ass because of how slow surfing is), the snow routes are too empty, slow you down (it gets annoying fast) and there is never any reason to cross them again because FLY, the fog route is a fucking piece of shit and the swamp routes are a mixed bag, places like Eterna and Sunnyshore look awful too, its just a really ugly and badly designed region that only gets worse if you are playing DP

>>384285938
Crystal and its remakes would have been perfect with the Vs seeker and proper levels for the postgame

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>>384284640

>>384285938
>gen 2 pokemon
>best pokemon designs
What? Gen 2's pokemon are almost all awful and were rejects of Gen 1.

>>384286660
6 and 7 have bare bones post games, especially coming off of gen 5, which had pwt, battle center, battle tree, battle train and a challenge mode for when you beat the game.

What really kills gen 6 and 7 for me is the speed, the games have constant frame drops even on the new3ds, loading times are horrible, the game just feels slower in general making it a bother to play. Gen 6 did add the dexnav which was fucking great, but gen 7 removed that feature in favor of the market which is grindy horse shit.

Worst of all the added player models into battles which not only increases load times, and causes even more frame drops but completely ruins emersion when your player character is the exact same height as garchomp or some shit.

the gen 6 rivals where terrible and team flare was absolutely the worst villians in the series. Gen 7 had good villains but the plot is a melo-dramatic korean familiy soap opera, in which the player character is just kind of a third wheel to lilies mommy issues. Thinking back gen 7 probably has the worst plot in the entire series. Again this isn't even half of the problem.

>>384286660
The settings are flat. The characters are painfully bad. The sense of adventure and progression isn't there.

The joy of pokemon is starting at level 5 with your starter, fighting against idiot school kids, and traveling pretty much alone, and growing to become the best. I feel a lot of the 'friendship' plots weaken this strength. The scope of the world also feels a lot smaller in general, so that feeling of player growth doesn't really exist for me in the newer titles.

>>384286841
I said an overall good selection. In regards to the fire type, yeah, it's a problem. In regards to the map, inconvienience in navigation adds to the character of the game and the region. It gives the world a larger scope, makes you feel small, needing to acomadate the world, instead of the world acomadating you.

Pokemon games are about adventure, not shoehorned anime friendship plots like the new titles are.

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>>384287256
So what do you consider a good design?

>>384285096
>every pokemon is a gen 1 rehash
>everyone uses the same five pokemon
>gyms are "balanced" by the gym leader's pokemon being OP but if you catch a certain pokemon outside of town then it becomes piss easy
>N and Cheren battling you every five steps

>>384285425
>>but you just grew up
You did, Gen 5 pretty much perfects everything you listed for generation 4 and removes the pointless tedium of HMs for the main story leaving them entirely as optional exploration aids. Not to mention it brought the series back down to earth after Gen 4 jumped the shark with literal gods.

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>>384287386
>inconvienience in navigation adds to the character of the game and the region. It gives the world a larger scope, makes you feel small, needing to acomadate the world, instead of the world acomadating you.
Its a video game, If exploration unintentionally becomes an inconvenience you know something is wrong, bad level design is not character, its a flaw that shouldn't be there

>>384288010
If you followed the thread, I've called g5 good. It's a soft reboot, but g5 itself is good. I very much enjoyed BW and BW2. I just think platinum is better. G5 was the catalyst for change, not the cancer that came afterwards. G6 and 7 are turboshit.

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>>384284640
Always going to be my favourite game.
Most of my favourite Pokemon are in it, the story is passable and it has some fun battles.

Personally I like Sun/Moon for the graphics alone. It's hard to go back to the older games now.

>>384287498
>gyms are "balanced" by the gym leader's pokemon being OP but if you catch a certain pokemon outside of town then it becomes piss easy
Not him but you can do the same thing in other games, the new exp system rewards you for having a full team which makes gym battles easier

>>384286660
Not that guy, but the series has progressively gotten more rounded with each generation rather than evolving. They railroad the player so that the player can never explore and never get lost. And everything now gets handed to you in the game, rather than the player earning it. Pokemon was never a hardcore or difficult game, which is why it confuses me that the games need to be simplified further.

I'll give you an example. In RBY, to get to Fuchsia City and continue collecting gym badges, you need to wake one of the Snorlax. To do that, you need the Pokeflute which you get from Mr Fuji after saving him from Pokemon Tower. To get to the top of Pokemon Tower, you need the Silph Scope. To get the Silph Scope, you need to clear out Team Rocket in the Silph Co. HQ in Saffron. To gain access to that building, you need to clear the Rocket Hideout underneath the Game Corner. There's no chain of events that is similar to that in the later Pokemon games, everything is much more simplified. Natural roadblocks that require items or HMs are replaced by NPCs that just block your path until you visit a local point of interest and trigger a cutscene. And gen 5 started the trends of Pokemon regions being simplified to a simple loop that either lets you travel forwards or backwards (removing any sense of adventure since you always know where you'll go next).

The later games also have a much larger emphasis on their stories, even though they're not very good. You get stopped every time you reach a new town by your so-called "friends" who decide to have a lengthy, pointless conversation with you before they hand you a healing item that you'll never use because the game is so easy. There's a few other things I would complain about but I'm running out of characters so I won't bother listing them. Gen 5 was overall pretty polished, which probably helped me to tolerate some of the changes it made for the worst. But gen 6 and 7 just feel like unfininshed products.

>>384288285
It's a player obstical. And a fairly natural one at that. I genuinely don't see the problem with HMs from a design standpoint.

I do think some HMs are cancer, especially the water ones, but the design isn't bad in and of itself. It forces the player to adapt to the world and play by its rules.

Was gen 5 that good? Now I want to actually finish the game.

>>384288426
Didn't even complete Moon when I played it.
No digital movement is a huge turnoff.

>>384288010
>Not to mention it brought the series back down to earth after Gen 4 jumped the shark with literal gods.
Its yet another plot about the evil team's leader wanting to take over the region with the box legendary, down to earth would be gen 1 where the plot is just a gang trying to make money

Yellow is my favorite.
I enjoy speedrunning glitchless any%.

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Post em.

>>384284640
>>>/vp/
there is an entire board for these threads, summerfag

For me, Platinum, BW/BW2 will be my favorites. They all have strong main playthroughs and on a note I particularly like BW removing other pokemon from the game. It felt like there was something new again with no other pokemon to fall back on, even if it was flawed in other areas.

I will always have nostalgia for Ruby, because it was the first Pokemon game I played where I understood what I was doing. Technically Yellow was my first but I could barely understand it.

So with BW2's director taking the helm for USM, we'll get shit like this back, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-VQ5-UWm0s

>>384289061
I don't even.

What?

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>>384288835
Okay

BW2 is the one I've enjoyed most in recent memory. I loved Platinum when I first played it if only because a legendary other then Rayquaza actually did his damn job but I can't stand how slow it is when I was playing it again.

>>384288625
Other guy, I pretty much agree with everything said here.

The pokemon stories are fucking crap. It's always been the world building and player character growth that makes the series interesting. In G6 onward so far, the world building has been absolutely shit on, in exchange for enphasis on a fucking garbage ass story, shoehorning garbage ass 'friend' npcs into the mix to attempt to give it depth.

The story of SuMo is so fucking forced that it's not even funny, and the level design doesnt help either, being the most uninspired bullshit to ever come out of the pokemon series. The player's only reason to care about the plot is through Lillie, but if you don't care about Lillie, then the plot is pointless and cringy.

They bank on player investment in characters that are nothing but flat anime tropes, instead of generating a large world to explore and grow through like old titles did.

>>384284640
I couldn't get past the start of the game due to in battle sprite

>>384288665
HMs are a nice concept, they really enforce the idea that the player is exploring the world with their Pokemon. My issue with them is that you're forced to waste moveslots on them and most of them aren't very good moves in battle. It also limits your team-building options since, unless you carry a HM slave, you need one water Pokemon, one flying Pokemon, etc. The Pokeride system in Sun/Moon does avoid these problems, although most of them were useless outside of the one or two areas where you first got them and the game was still plagued with unnatrual roadblocks despite the fact that they could have minimised those with the Pokeride system.

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>>384288665
>I genuinely don't see the problem with HMs from a design standpoint.
There are many problems with HMs, first and most importantly its the fact that you need to sacrifice a move slot for them, if you have a brain you will carry a slave but its still awful because you need to box a team member to carry a slave around, the Victory Roads in particular are pure cancer in gens 3 and 4 because its the final stretch yet you need to box one or two of your pokémon just to pass through it, its just a terrible idea that shits all over your strategies

Another issue are the animations, they get old fast and it becomes a tedious task of mashing through dialogue and waiting for animations to play when you are exploring areas that require multiple HMs, sure you are being rewarded for exploration but it almost sucks all the fun from it

One thing people praised about SM was how they replaced the traditional HMs with a new feature that did pretty much the same thing but faster and more conveniently (and knowing GF they won't bring it back)

>>384284640
pokemon B/W1 was ok i guess but BW2 is still superior in every way.

i still think platinum is the best game in the series.

>>384285667
gale of darkness is pretty good.

>>384288740
Its very story oriented and relies on you giving a shit about it, if you already know the plot or don't care about N's pseudo intellectual shit you will quickly get annoyed at the tedious button mashing, if its your first time sitting through the story you will love it

>>384289896
Thanks anon! Will give it a try.

>>384284640
Why does that Pokemon have such a massive bush?

>>384289991

Have fun resetting for nature on the cover legendary if you give a shit about that sort of thing.

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>>384287498
>every gen 5 pokemon is a gen 1 rehash
Are genwunners really this delusional?

>>384290183
who fucks around with that.

Just use online sims for that shit.

>>384290183
You think I am gonna play competitive? I would probably magikap splash through the game if i was doing that.

Actually that sounds like a fun Nuzlock run.

>>384290095

They had to hide its massive cock.

>>384290254

I do, makes the collecting feel like it's worth doing.

>>384289503
>HMs are a nice concept, they really enforce the idea that the player is exploring the world with their Pokemon
This is why I like them. You are forced to adapt your play to the world around you, making the world feel larger, more raw, and more of an obsticle. I genuinely think nothing else matters more in the pokemon series than world growth.

In terms of moveslots, yeah, it's a price you have to pay to get through exploration, and I firmly believe that it's not inherantly bad game design to force you into HMs. I won't deny the lack of viability in the moves is a major flaw. Most of the time these days I'm playing a 493 or 376 romhack, and they tend to buff HMs into viable moves.

>>384289573
Forcing you into HMs isn't bad. You're forced to chose between the ability to traverse the world, or to optimize combat. You actively have to sacrifice something to obtain a result, which I firmly believe is a good gameplay practice. It gives you a stronger connection and feeling of acomplishment when you travel. The fact that you even have to think about HMs at all makes the world feel harsher.

The viability of the moves and the inability to remove them really the only problem with HMs in my book.

SM's system is fucking casual and I hate it with every fiber of my being. You don't have any attachment to the pseudo HM pokemon, they're nothing but navigational tools, you don't battle with them, you can't train them, you can't get any real gameplay experience out of them.

I just finished Black actually (after not playing pokemon since Pearl i think?) so it's nice to see a thread about it on /v/. Have to say i enjoyed it way more than i thought i would and i kinda like it that i could choose pokemon only from this gen, made some new favorites. Should i bother with the postgame or jump to BW2 though?

>>384289896
I wanna fuck N desu.

Do this gen have the pokemon that follows you around and being cute in general like a pet?

Red Rescue Team. I preferred playing as a Pokemon than training and catching them, Pokemon being able to talk and have personalities was very fun to me. The randomized dungeons also made every level unique and the bosses were pretty damn tough, especially fucking Moltres. Plus the story was easy enough to follow and got you to care about the world you were dropped into, so it was pretty damn sad when you almost had to leave at the end. This doesn't mean I don't like mainline Pokemon games but I just find them boring right now, by the time BW came out I was tired of the same old Pokemon formula.

>>384290183
>giving a shit about natures in single player

>>384284640
>what are your favorite Pokemon games?
Platinum and HG/SS are the only Pokemon games I find playable these days. I used to love Emerald but not having the physical/special split just sucks. Everything after 4th gen is utter garbage.

>>384290561

That's just Hg/Ss. There's following models packed into SM's files but they went unused.

>>384290703
Too bad. Thanks anon!

>>384290645

>Implying it would be for Single player.

It would be for making sure the thing is usable in post game.

>>384290384
So you go to the trouble of finding the right nature, the right EVs, grinding the IVs, and getting them to 100?

All the while trading pokemon back and forth to get max PP ups and all the TMs you want (apparently this was changed to multiuse?).

That seems like a lot of work but more power to you.

>>384290426
At the end of the day you usually can just run a 5 man team with one HM cuckold

>>384290825
You grind EVs and breed IVs, and it's easy as shit in the new games.

>>384291003
my bad.

I'm a dirty gen 1'er who uses DVs and stat exp.

>>384290245
Not him, but it's not even genwunning shit, stop using buzzwords to try shut down legitimate discourse.

The point of Unova is that it has a lot of gen 1-esque mons remade bc they developed differently over the passage of time. Stuff like Roggenrola and Timburr both having third evos by trading etc makes it feel very forced.

>>384291003
Or you just use pkhex and don't bother with grinding that shit.

>>384290825

Sort of

>E.V training is automatic in SM, no effort needed beyond waiting.
>I.V breeding is also easy with the destiny knot buff
>Level 100 grind is only for favourites or things that need hyper training, everything else just gets to level 51
>PP up's are also for favourites but SM gives me so many via festival plaza I do use them a lot.

The best Pokemon games are spinoffs that don't follow the traditional formula, prove me wrong.
You goddamn can't.

>>384290426
Anon you are acting like pokémon is some kind of survival game that requires clever management and risk/reward, its not, the HM shit is not satisfying or rewarding, its an inconvenience that drags the games down and we could all live without them (as SM showed)
>You're forced to chose between the ability to traverse the world, or to optimize combat
Or I can just capture a Bidoof and call it a day until later in the game when that Bidoof will be taking another pokémon's spot, a pokémon I could be having fun and bounding with
>You don't have any attachment to the pseudo HM pokemon, they're nothing but navigational tools, you don't battle with them, you can't train them, you can't get any real gameplay experience out of them.
Nobody wants to sacrifice a good move to teach their favorites moves they will never use, and what you said could be applied to the HM slaves in the previous gens who wouldn't be necessary if HMs didn't existed in the format they currently exist

>>384290441
>Should i bother with the postgame or jump to BW2 though?
The sage quest is fun, being able to explore the rest of the region without limitations is pretty nice

>>384290441
BW1's postgame isn't anything special. Just a few more (albeit nice) areas are unlocked to visit and there's a sidequest featuring looker and the rest of the sages but that's it. You should probably jump to BW2 once you're tired of 1's postgame, which should be pretty quick unless you wanna do Black City/White Forest.

>>384290245
It's not every gen 5 Pokemon, but a significant portion of the gen 5 Pokedex are blatantly inspired by gen 1 Pokemon.
Ignoring the usual ones that are done every generation (starters, regional birds, regional rodents, pikaclones, etc.) you have:
Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee = Throh/Sawk
Machop = Timburr
Geodude = Roggenrola
Abra = Solosis
Voltorb = Foongus
Grimer = Trubbish
Magnemite = Klink
Drowzee = Munna
Zubat = Woobat
Tauros = Bouffalant

I assume it was intentional. Unova was a completely separate region with its own ecosystem and a completely new Pokedex. They're basically Alola-variants, except they're classed as a different species of Pokemon. It's not a bad thing, but you'd be stupid to deny that there's no connection. Pretty much every generation does this, although gen 5 probably had the highest proportion of "redesigned" Pokemon (for lack of a better term) out of any Pokedex.

Any pokemon mods anons would recommend? Especially for the newer gens after sapphire?

>>384291746
Sacred Gold/Storm Silver is the definitive pokeyman romhack

>>384291363
that makes it a bit more reasonable.

How skilled are people online?

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>>384288835
mine is boring but ok

>>384291806
Nice. Does it play nicely with emulators or does it still have the heart gold no go on emulated DS nonsense?

>>384291868

Dunno, I just rock facilities.

>>384290245
Gen 5 was supposed to be a new, fresh start so many of the pokémon are gen 1 copies

>5th gen was so bad they damaged the series
>6th gen was underwhelming and disappointing
>sun/moon were linear and absolutely riddled with cutscenes removing any real replayability
>sun/moon 2 only on 3DS because >muh install base even though they would rocket the Switch to new heights
I think I'm too old for Pokemon now, I couldn't even finish Sun it was so fucking boring ;_;

>>384291615
>>384291631
Yeah, i started hunting for them already. Although i have to say, trainers having 62+ lvl pokemon so suddenly took me by surprise.

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I like trainer customization and online, so XY appeals to me a lot, especially with easier breeding making it very simple to teambuild. I can see why some people dislike it though, since the friend characters were pretty one-note and there's not much for postgame single player outside of the Maison and Looker Quest.
I liked Platinum's single player campaign and Battle Frontier too, though. Platinum Dawn's got my favorite protagonist designs.

>>384292219
Its great isn't it? I wish HGSS had levels like those

And be careful with that shrine Metang, It hits like a truck

>>384286063
>Yeah they suddenly got good in gen 5 with an actual plot, characters and real post game.
That's the fucking problem. Nobody plays Pokemon for the plot or characters, they play for catching Pokemon and becoming the champion. Gen 5 fucking killed Pokemon.

>>384287237
>anything gen 4

>god tier

Anon...

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>>384292016
Besides the graphics sometimes getting all fucked up and forcing me to restart, it emulates just fine

>>384291638
I found Munna to be closer to Clefairy desu. Have to say though, i really liked the Bug pokemons this time around. By the time i finished the game over half of my team was Bug/Something.

>>384291746
Blaze Black and Volt White

>>384292384
Thanks. That is good to hear. I have always wanted to try it.

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I got Platinum coming on the mail, but skipped X and Y, are they as bad as I keep hearing?

>>384292201
>spoiler
Haven't played them yet but were you bored at the cutscenes? Try playing romhacks who are less focused on the story

>>384286063
>that zoomed in pixelated mess looks "good"
what?

>>384292384
Could I ask where you downloaded it?

Pokemon X & Y, it introduced fewer new pokemon, but the ones it did introduced were all better designed imo. It made up for it by including more pokemon from previous games, so each area felt more different from each other than maps in the previous games.

>>384284640
Crystal. I know latter games are better but that was the game of my childhood.

>>384292606
Not him but
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>>384292510
XY were good imho. You get a lot of team building options.

Don't expect a post game and you're good to go.

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>>384288835
>>384289236
>>384291993
There are some others that have interesting designs but I haven't played that gen (i.e. the T-Rex one)

>>384292523
the story never gained any real momentum and the fact that there's an interuption seemingly every 5 minutes just detracts and slows the game down to a complete crawl. You can't just play and catch/level cool pokemon anymore

>>384292326
>Metang
Already run into one of those in the wild and he just refused to stay in the ball. Spent almost all of my Ultra balls and then, after a bit, i run into that Kyurem thingy with 6 ultra balls left. Ended up catching it with a Timer ball.

People tend to forget how fucked X/Y was. Reminder that
>Route 1 is just a straight line. No grass, no pokemon, nothing. First town has no pokemon center and only sells potions and pokeballs
>The forest layout is 1:1 of Viridian forest
>Awful pacing. There's 3-4 town space between gym 1 and 2, later in the game they just keep throwing gyms at you one after the other.
>absolute worst roadblock in the franchise (power out, nobody can walk by, NPCs walk by, can see lights on in buildings)
>You're constantly interrupted by friends. Such as being forced to watch fireworks.
>No NPC does anything except for Lion who's trying to nuke the world. The champion, clearly designed to be Not-Cynthia, does nothing but interviews. Apparently one of the E4 members is a Flare member, but this never comes up.

>>384292778
Thank you guy

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>>384291220
>>384291638
>>384292171
Gen 5 added over 150 pokemon on top of the existing 493. It's no surprise that some of them aren't unique, but those barely take up 1/4 of the new roster.

>>384293114
the Metagross line is like that, bullshit catch rates and you can't breed them but Jesus when you get one its really worth it

>>384292510
Maybe a bit over exaggerated at times but they're definitely on the weak side.
Team building is a lot of fun though, especially with all the tools they give you to easily minmax/optimize if you wanna do that.

>>384293347

You can breed Beldum's.

>>384292945
stick with romhacks, some of them already added gen 7 pokémon

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>>384288835
post the template next time

>>384293319
I never understood why Victini is #0.

>>384284640
Sun because it has the best multiplayer meta by far and that's why I play pokemon

>>384293753
The peak was gen 3/4, the power creep has made the meta much worse ever since.

>>384293319
the first half of that dex are almost clones though
Rock dude, obligatory bird, obligatory shit normal types early in the dex, bat guy with confuse ray, high HP high defensive rare normal type, fighter and kicker guy, generic strong dragon type, 3 legendary dogs again, 2 more trios of legendarys
Scrafty is amazing though, best gen 5 poke

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>>384293136
One of things I liked about Special's XY was how grim/depressing it could get.

>>384294103
Specials are grimdark in general though so it's nothing new.

>>384294103

I'm a fan of Rayquaza stabbing Zinnia.

>>384293959
What power creep? The most used Pokemon by far right now is a gen 1 Pokemon, Arcanine, and Snorlax is also a huge fucking threat that can literally win games by itself.

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>>384292852
Some good taste there.

>>384284640
>>/vp/

>>384294295
Gen 7 is a special case since all the new Pokemon have a shit base speed. But generally there were a handful of Pokemon new Pokemon that were incredibly common or a handful of new Pokemon that got a new toy and became insanely powerful. Gen 5 was plagued by weather wars and genies, Gen 6 fixed the weather wars but added overpowered mega-evolutions and gen 7 hasn't done much to fix gen 6's flaws.

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>>384294216
True.
I felt though that XY was a lot more grounded because X being a moody cunt all the time and affecting the rest of the cast set the overall tone. That, and the whole region fucking hated them by the end of it.
BW is probably my favourite one. That's just a treasure trove of the MCs getting absolutely fucked hard.

>>384284640
Sun/Moon, I love that they actually made the new Pokemon unique in ways that aren't just visual, pretty much every new Pokemon introduced can fill some niche in a team while previous gens had lots of Pokemon that obviously were only meant to fill space in the pokedex

>>384294928
Gen 7 fixed Mega-Evolutions by nerfing the most powerful and simply not allowing them but I think we're talking about different things here, I'm talking about the official format, VGC and it seems you're talking about Smogon.

yellow crystal emerald platinum hgss red rescue team explorers of sky super mystery dungeon puzzle league

>>384287391

Yea personally i have no idea how anyone can say gen 2 is shit.

This was the best experience. Sorry that some of you werent there for it when it was current.

>>384294570
thanks bruhbruh

>>384294945
I love how Special/Adventures tackles certain things in the games and changes/adds it to the series. Like how Red couldn't become a Gym Leader because Lorelei fucking crippled him and the Salamence that attacked Ruby was Zinnia's all along.

Gsc > rby

Everything else is shit. The formula was worth doong over exact one time

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>>384288835
incomplete because I am basing these on personal experience

>>384295786
>this much shit taste
Only a phoneposter could be this wrong.

I played through White a few months ago. It was my first Pokemon game and my god was it boring. It is the easiest JRPG I've ever played. I thought the game required you to create a proper party of Pokemon but if you have just one Pokemon with a varied set of attacks you can beat the game with just one Pokemon. I had another two low level ones for reviving but that was it. The only difficulty I encountered was the Elite 4 and the final boss, which I just exploited the RNG to eventually win. Are the other games any better?

>>384296274
you can beat every single one with just your starter unless you pick a completely shit one. Pokemon was always about collecting, raising and battling friends. That's why I don't understand why they're going with linear "cinematic" stories ever since 5th gen, it's so out of place, GF obviously doesn't have a single good writer.
Literally the only good story since 5th gen was having 6th gen be an alternate universe which is why Megas are here now but weren't before

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>>384284640
I liked the mystery dungeon series. I remember playing Red team on my gba advance sp for months. I got every single pokemon. I had to redo the deoxys dungeon 4 times.
Good times.

>>384296274
Yeah, the pre DS era games have less hand holding

>>384284640
You posted it. Emerald is a close second.

For unofficial/Romhack games, Pokemon Gaia hands down. It's not finished yet with only six gyms, but it has far more polish and features than any official game will ever have alongside a pretty good story.

>>384296274
Depends what you mean by better.

Yellow (gen 1) and Crystal, Gold, Silver (gen 2) were "harder" because they inflated the fuck out of the trainers pokemon levels. They still weren't challenging.

They were better, because they weren't linear, the point was adventure, they tied into the anime which hadn't jumped the shark yet, and the stories and rivals were better.

Looking back, I actually got stuck in gen 1 a few times because a lot of the time they didn't out right tell you what to do to advance. silph scope, FLASH, and fresh water were actual road blocks you had to figure out.

Then again, maybe I was just a stupid child.

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>>384294216
>D/P
>Main trio had to split up for the Great Lakes defense
>They start fucking crying because they each have to run solo for three volumes and can't see each other for a while
Yeah, pretty grim.

>>384297454
>gen 4 is your least favorite
>diaperplat was your favorite arc ever

Why is /vp/ so negative? It feels like any game that isn't B2W2 is shit to them.

>>384298880
Boards are always cynical about their actual subject matter

>>384298880


/vp/ is far less negative then /v/ is for Pokemon. /v/ hates anything past gen 1/2

>>384298880
but B2W2 were shit too
>we're here now, we'll be gone soon
there was literally no reason to railroad a direct sequel set in the same region. Dumb as all fuck. Locking hard mode was terrible too, the best feature in the game but you need to beat it first which takes about 40 hours

I wish they didn't blow their remake load so early and remade GEN 1,2,3 with the Sun/Moon engine. The low resolution and soulless faces aside it's perfection.

>>384299245
You what? /v/ jerks off Pt/HG/SS and Gen 5 all the time.

>>384300826

Most Pokemon threads I see on /v/ goes full autistic screeching about anything past gen 2.

>>384299632
>Need someone else to beat the game and connect to you to unlock hard mode
>Only one save slot
What the fuck were they thinking?