Do you want esports to succeed or fail?

fail

Fail. Videogames are supposed to be played not watched

>>384258004
Why do they call it esports.

>>384258004
obviously fail, because resources that could go into tasty singleplayer games go into MOBAs and card games

>>384258071

This.

>>384258004
why does she have 4 eyebrows

>>384258082
because it is a competition. The e is to make the distinction between real sports and eletronic ones.

Fail, it's a good idea but executed horribly. They take themselves too fucking seriously

Succeed so i don't have to get a real job

>>384258334
But it's not a sport.

>>384258004
>e-"""""sports"""""

>>384258429
chess is sport

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>>384258004
Fail. Athletes should be people that represent the glory of mankind. "E-Sports-Athletes" and speedrunners are mostly degenerates that exploit their young audience .

>>384258764
it's not

>>384258784
>Implying 80% of pro athletes aren't degenerates
lmao

>>384258784
Let's compare the IQ of the average pro baseball player to the IQ of the average DOTA2 player.

I think esports in it's current form will never succeed on the level real sports do. Because if some normie happens to turn on a league game he'll have no idea what the fuck is going on, as opposed to like a basketball game where it's obvious what you're watching.

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>>384258784
>implying real athletes aren’t degenerate

to succeed. They are fun

>>384258892
>Mom I want to become like Mike Tyson
Learns how to fight , gets pussy and respect

>Mom I want to become like "FaZe ArceusWEedMachine"
Spends all day sitting infront of the PC drinking Mtndew, gets diabetes by 25

Not fail but it's way more interesting and genuine at poverty level.

>>384258784
>Glory of mankind isn't intelligence but physical skill

lol

I want esports to fail, but I want grassroots competitive scenes to succeed. The modern trend of developers dumping millions of dollars into the game before it's even proven itself as a competitive game needs to stop right now.

>>384258004
Fail, since it's strictly a money making scheme.

>>384259502
>it's strictly a money making scheme.
You mean like all popular team sports?

>>384259089
>have opportunity to meet and party with someone famous
>take pics and gossip like a faggot paparazzo instead

Wow

>>384259089
>MMA
>a sport
Choose one.

>>384259549
Yes.

>>384259609
At least you're consistent.

>>384259502
Yeah, contrary to the NBA or the NFL, they totally are on it for the competitive integrity HAHAHAHAHA

>>384259431
>Building your lifelyhood on a videogame
>Intelligence

>>384258784
Meanwhile you sit in a dark room, posting on a board about video games with a picture of a frog.

>>384259672
I'm not supporting the NBA or NFL.

>>384258004
lmaoing at the lives of these bitchy kids all wanting it to fail. I personally don't care; enjoy video games however you want.

Why should I care either way

>>384259684
Nigga the average e-sport "athlete" score higher than average in the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test. There is strategy in these games. Saying that it doesn't require cognitive skill is straight up wrong, facts back it up.

>>384259769
T. Echofox N3ckb3arD

>>384259769
fuck off m0e

esporsts succeeding is good for (((them)))

it must fail

>>384260336
everything is good for (((them))) when you're a paranoid schizophrenic fuck

>>384259924
It is still dumb to invest so much time in a career that can crumble at any moment. When you play Football you can be sure that in 10 years it will be still there. Maybe not as popular, but the demand will still be there. Videogames are constantly updatet. New entries to the series, new balancing, new gameplay. What if the next Street Fighter is a lot different than the traditional one? What if Counter Strike gets a new game and your most hated weapon is the "meta" now? In traditional sports you can be sure that in 10 years you wont be needed to balance the ball on your dick or something like that. Videogames however can fuck you bigtime if you fail to adapt quickly.

>>384258071
>>384258071
>>384258071
>>384258071
>>384258071

>>384260474
Name ONE (1) career that couldn't possible crumble at any moment.

>>384258784
this

>>384258004
do they get drug tested before playing?

To succeed. I don't watch them, I don't care, and as a 25 year old man they really don't have any influence on my life whatsoever. I would hope that they age up contestants a bit, because 16-20 year olds are fucking BORING.

>>384260564
Its about the Risk. My point was that that Videogames arent consistent enoigh to warrant being a sport right now.

Fail

>>384260748
>I don't watch them
>16-20 year olds are fucking BORING.

>>384260336
Explain

>>384260618
No and 99% of players use adderall it's pretty disgusting

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>>384258987
Show me where Chad touched you, anon.

>>384258004
Yes, as long as balancing revolves around normal instead of competitive play.

>>384261010
Wow. What a great image for their sponsors.

all kind of competitive sport is a joke
athletes contribute nothing to society

>>384258004
Crash and burn with a lot of memorable fuckups, then never return.

>>384261281
So wouldn't you blame the people that pay them?

>>384260901
>
>because
>

>>384258784
Top kek. No one fucking cares, Chad. Even less so than gook-clickers and DotA clones.

>>384258004
Succeed to make all the buttmad losers who can't git gud itt salty.

>>384261435
Ahhh yes. I understand. I'm retard. And i agree. Watching little kids play is lame as fuck

>>384259586
What's a your definition of a sport?

Fail. Spectacularly.

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There is no legitimate arguments being presented itt about why it should fail

I get that "eSports" and "E-Athlete" may trigger your little egg heads. But at least give a proper argument instead of just being butthurt over people liking what you dont like

>>384262323
Eating sandwiches on the couch without having a heart attack

Fail anyone who says otherwise needs to fuck off from video games

>>384259089
That guy is WAAAY too hot for that shitty looking girl.

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>>384258004
I want to fap to Chicken-chan

>>384262654
>Proper argument
>On /v/

Lmaoing @ your life.

>>384262654
SFV is a nice example of how developers fuck everything up trying to appeal to both tourneyfags and the mainstream.

>>384259089
Is she scratching his watch?

>>384262654

Its affecting the quality of fighting games.

No single player and a bare bones roster? Eh, ship it anyway, we have a public tournament in a month.

Sexy alt outfits? Are you mad? ESPN would ban them and blame us!

>>384261281
>athletes contribute nothing to society
Culture and entertainment you dunce.

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>>384258004
Fail. Eatsports needs to stay the hell away from fighting games

>>384261628
I'm better than the "pros".

>>384262654
A lot of them should fail because a lot of the competition is pushed by corporation rather than the playerbase
Stupid shit like overwatch and hearthstone with both very little skill reward compared to their competitors had tourneys and an e-sport scene as soon as they were launched when neither of them deserved it

>>384258071
The same goes for sports you fucking fatfuck.

>>384262924
lmao

>>384262924
I doubt that senpai

>>384259684
>lifelyhood

You aren't in any position to judge intelligence

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>>384258004
Fail, the stigma that surrounds it is truly toxic and is affecting games for the worse. The sooner it dies, the better.

>>384258004
Fail unless they manage to not make it ultra serious business as they are now.

Now, please post more Chicken.

>>384262924
What do you play, fat boy?

>>384258004
It doesn't matter what I want. I don't purchase nor participate in esports. So if it was left in my hands it would die. Cause I refuse to nurture it. Not by deliberate choice. It just doesn't interest me.

>>384262937
Oh I agree with hearthstone, playing a card game competitively when it's mostly based in RNG is just retarded.
And constantly having to buy the latest season of cards to stay good at the game is fucking bonkers.

But card game players have always been dumb like that

>>384258004
You just made this retarded thread so you could post that image didn't you OP.

>>384258004
succeed

I want something enjoyable to watch instead of fucking hearthstone when I go to a bar. What the fuck. I looked like an autist sitting infront of the hearthstone tv.

I don't care, the market will decide

I want everything to fail.

>>384258004
I don't care.

>>384260474
>When you play Football you can be sure that in 10 years it will be still there.

Too bad you can't be sure you

a. actually get in the league (It's hard af)
b. don't get hurt

Also
>valve
>making vidya

>>384258764
No, chess is a competition.

>>384261281
>athletes contribute nothing to society
Neither do you, dumbass

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>>384258004
Considering I'm part of the Melee community part of me wants it to succeed so Esports organizations that pay the top players continue to do so, so it gives me something to grind towards. I can already beat PR'd players, if they go there's not much else to accomplish.

The other part of me being a older player since 2004 doesn't give a fuck, because I know that Melee survived as a grass roots community before and could continue to do so even without EVO, CEO or these other large tournaments involvement, or these esports corporations. Plus because of esports popularity, the community since then has absorbed an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF easily triggered fucking SJW crybaby faggots who get mad at words like some kinda kindergartner.

I understand being a decent human being, and not saying rape and shit like that. I made peace with that, it's w/e now. But when you get triggered over words like "FUCK" or phrases like "GET YO ASS WHOOPED" like this forced political correctness suggests then I have a problem. Commentators and tournament goers cant even be themselves anymore and have to walk on eggshells to avoid fucking [TRIGGERING] special snowflake faggots. I will never be ok with that, go back to school or go back and have your parents whoop your ass to give you some mental fucking discipline or something, PLEASE.

>>384260474
>career can crumble at any moment
yeah, almost like getting an injury in football, huh?

i want it to come crashing down around itself and take most of its supporters with it

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>>384263949
>Considering I'm part of the Melee community

>>384262937
t. mad quakecuck

>>384258429
poker and racing are sports

>>384262835
SFV didn't appeal to tourneyfags. They legitimately dumbed the game down for the casual audience.

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>>384263949
>melee community

>>384264118
>>384264338
What's with people on this site constantly crying about Melee players?

Competitive gaming and grassroots scenes are fine imo but I feel esports have had a corrosive effect of sorts on a lot of online multiplayer games. Too many mp games are being released with esports in mind out the game instead of developing a scene organically which leads to some stilted design and people have gotten a lot angrier online as a result 'cause everyone wants to be the next big esport start and one bag game/play means that YOU (if you're on a team game) are holding them back. AstroTurf esports scenes like OW and SFV aren't helping either.

>>384264396
Don't reply to them, it's why I didn't. It's just /fgg/ being the shit stains they are.They suck at their own games, so instead of gettin gud they shit on anything that's not a fighter on rails with no options.

>>384264249
It got released early with broken netcode, no SP content and a shit roster just so it could make it in time for spring/summer tournaments. Capcom wanted to kick off its pro tour and Sony wanted to immediately start shilling the PS4 at every event.

>>384264396
This is from someone who ignores most community drama. There's some nice melee players but a lot of them live up to the stereotype of being rude, loud, smelly and elitist spergs.

>>384264396
>crying
Laughing at you mean.

Its like bragging you are a furry, except surprisingly more autistic.

>>384264396
it's fun and they deserve it just a little
>>384264490
case in point ^^^

>>384263949
>since 2004
would we know your name?

>>384262883
>No single player and a bare bones roster?


maybe for capcbros. Meanwhile, IJ2 smash and Pokken doesn't have this problem

>>384264541
>Laughing at you mean.
No, I meant crying. You're a stupid crybaby.

>people who spend more time arguing about video games than actually playing it try to shit on people who spend time watching video games

autists with zero self-awareness again

>>384262980
well this thread wasn't about sports was it you brainlet

>>384262980
bread and games

>>384264559
>>384264559
No, I've dropped in and out of the melee scene too much. I've played and beaten lots of good talent thats come from the midwest including vidjo, joe v, eddy, dope, most of michigan etc. I've taken games from most of the current midwest PR'd players too, including KJH.

I'll just say this, netplay is legit.

i like esports

>>384264862
lol sure kid. and i'm the king of africa haha

>>384258004
it already succeded

>>384258329
you mean 6

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>>384258004
Fail, they're making games sterile bullshit

>>384263949
>crybaby faggots who get mad at words like some kinda kindergartner

Sponsors dude

Does not affect my life.
The games are exactly the same with e-sports fags or without

>>384258004
eSports for good games like ow, sm4sh, paladins, ij2, arms, and pokemon should succeed
Crappy esports like Sf-likes, mobas, and fartstone should fail

>>384258429
Your definition of "sport" is false.

>>384265584
>OW

>>384260564
Trash Collectors
Doctors
Nurses
Chefs
Plumbers

>>384265763
back to cyka blyat fartress 2

>>384262980
But I'm not a 6'5 250lbs black gentleman
Plus it doesn't take much to push a couple buttons and anyone can play videogames

>>384266251
>But I'm not a 6'5 250lbs black gentleman
You don't need to be one of those to play a sport, retard.

>>384265584
>OW esports should succeed
>a literal spam lightshow meme tier visual disaster that is totally unwatchable

>>384265584
>watching six retards jump around like monkeys or jump between 12 different point of views is good esports
first person is inherently shit for esports

>>384259243
>>Mom I want to become like Mike Tyson
>go rape your sister then, you'll need practice after all

>>384262654
Devs waste money pandering to esports niggers, if not developing the entire game with those faggots in mind, this is a direct detriment to video games

>>384264490
mad? we're not crying, we're laughing. and I don't even use /fgg/ anymore because they'll all capcom dickriders

>>384266479
>>a literal spam lightshow meme tier visual disaster that is totally unwatchable

try again without the buzzwords

>>384264396
You retards get upset when someone points out Smash isn't a fighting game.
And I'm personally tired of the insistence of it

>>384266972
t. scrub

>>384266991
>we're not crying
lmao

>>384267153
>Smash isn't a fighting game.

You mean it's not an SF-like

>>384259924
Then use that IQ on something that won't die when your game falls out of favor.

>>384267153
of course it's a fighting game. how could it not be?

do you think Counterstrike isn't an FPS because it didn't play like Quake?

>>384264696
no but the same idea. they're both for entertainment

>>384262654
Ruined MOBAs

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>>384264490
>fighter on rails with no options
>meleetards actually believe this

>>384262654
I don't care one way or the other if e-sports does or does not fail, but the argument could be made that while sports have rules set in stone tht have kept the game the same for a very long time, e-sports do not. Instead they feature a constantly changing field that both viewers and players have to keep up with to even have a clue as to what is going on. I used to play league (casually with friends, Im a faggot but not that bad) but if I were to go watch a game today I can honestly say I would have no clue what the shit was happening and I can see that being something that keeps a lot of people from caring about the "hype". To watch and fully understand football wouldnt take long, to watch and fully understand whatever video game it is could take a long time. It's fine to enjoy watching e-sports, but I don't see it becoming a HUGE thing.

>>384267487
That's what i don't like about fgcucks. They're take excessive pride over their genre's stagnation. No one in the fgc cared about dragon ball until it got an SF-like

>>384262980
Do you expect /v/ to disagree or something?

>>384268025
what anime

>>384258004
1. Fail, how can somebody hope that this fucking meme has success.
2. You should have opened a strawpoll.me

Not just esports, I wan the entire modern gaming industry to tank. We need a complete reset where the companies are willing to crawl through broken glass for sales, not the other way around like it is now.

>>384259089
looks like a mix between pewdiepie and gordon ramsey

>>384269126
literally a fucking pleb. did you have no childhood?

>>384269994
I probably saw it as a kid and don't remember the name if it was that normie. no need to be such a sperg.

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>>384263949
As someone who's played Brawl and Smash 4 in local tournaments, the esports scene can fuck off forever for all I care. When you make the game less exciting for THE PLAYERS by meddling with rulesets, like standardizing 2-stock matches instead of 3-stock with one of the biggest justifications being "it's less boring for THE VIEWERS", there's something fucking wrong.

>>384270749
b-baka! mobile fighter g gundam...

>>384270935
Ohhhh I remember her now.

>>384258071
This. It's the same reason why I hate watching sports.

Why should I care about which fat chink is the best at Street Fighter when I could just play Street Fighter myself.

>>384267473
A pro player should be able to easily transition between games, many LoL players went to HoN, many went to cs, many Starcraft players went to coach LoL teams, and so on

>>384271686
Nobody's forcing you to watch sports or videogames though

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Fail so developers can focus on things that make the games fucking fun against instead of super serious and competitive.

>>384258004

To succeed. Right now the hobby is great, production quality is high for the good ones and it's free to watch. Eventually the industry will grow so much that there will be paid streams and live events will be filled with normies and hooligans that will fill your car with beers or some shit at best case scenarios

>>384267181
Oh anyoure a "professional" video game player? Neck yourself

>>384272035
Which is why I don't.

That being said, with other people watching it, the industry shifts its focus towards it, causing games to be less about the actual game and more about the competition.

>>384272631
>Right now the hobby is great
Fuck off you reddit piece of shit

>>384258329
she's that confused

>>384258004
Fail
It's turning vidya into a no-fun-allowed fest. Just look at how GDQ has changed over the years. First it'll be on esports then it will be people on youtube/twitch being closed down if they say any "mean cuss words :("

>>384266340
You need to be to succeed at the highest level. Watching athletes in top physical condition compete against each other is far different and much more entertaining than watching autists click buttons on a screen. The thing is, the reports aren't even entertaining. I get quick thrills out of watching some dmc combomad videos or some arena fps bullshit because it's fast paced and requires some skill that goes beyond just sheer autistic practice and grinding. Some of it just takes natural talent, which is hard to see in games like fucking League of Legends. Fighting games are entertaining but even then it gets old watching people spam the same moves for a double perfect rather than try to do cool tricks and combos

>>384274004
This
>>384274893
This as well

Fail. Games will have to be fun on their own to get people to buy them rather than rely on personas to shill their game through esports and twitch so they get revenue that way.

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>>384258004
I don't care if exists as long as they keep it seperate from the game. Rec pack shit is bad enough in halo 5, I don't need them to be advertising their events in the game, or making the characters do call outs on where they are going as if we are try harding as a team to win.

I just want to play the game, not to try to pretend I'm part of a esports team.

>>384258004
Neither, I just want them to exist without ruining multiplayer. eSports was fine when it was just things like Counter Strike and Dota, but now everything is fighting to be the next big one and it's just killing multiplayer for people who want to have fun. What makes a game a good eSport is the communities effect on it over time, when devs try to make a game an eSport out of the box it fucks everything up.

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>>384263949
>decent human being, and not saying rape
It's childish, but it's not dehumanizing.

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>>384264558
>it's fun and they deserve it a little
>will turn around and get colon contorted if someone so much as teasingly belittles their arcade game
And before you say it, I don't do Fighting games or Ninty's party games.

>>384258004
Fail. Esports "games" are cancer to the industry. Games like overwatch coming out of the box with comp features is what kills the game for me.

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>>384258004
I don't care if it fails or succeeds. I've played tournaments for games that didn't have much competitive following and for games that were pushed as e-sports.

All I care about is the games being good, fun to play, and then if there's e-sports I don't really care.
Nobody forces me to watch e-sports, and arguably, e-sports would require a more balanced game so developers are more inclined to support their game, fix imbalances/add good non P2W content, provide better user experience overall.

If you are playing a game like Counter Strike and are crying that devs didn't WASTE time on making a shitty ass singleplayer or some other dumb crap like that instead of focusing on the multiplayer you simply need to stop breathing.

>>384272483
You mean like the game being balanced, getting updates and support, new maps, etc?

What is your idea of fun?

>>384277032
>DUDE WEED LMAO anime poster telling others they need to stop breathing
Oh the ironing

>>384276910
>try my best to ignore the shitty ranked or esports mode
>give any opinion on the game
>LOL GIT GUD
>UR OPINION DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE YOU DONT PLAY TRYHARD NOFUNALLOWED MODE
just kill all of these people please

>>384277137
>You mean like the game being balanced
Around a regimental meta.
>getting updates
For said meta.
>new maps
That would upset the meta.

>>384277326
You have no clue what meta means.

>>384277378
Well hes not wrong
>demoman and heavy get nerfed
>compnigger demomains bitch so hard their nerf gets removed the very next day
>heavy still has his unjustified nerf because no compniggers to stomp their feet and whine

I'm fine with them doing well. It's always nice to see a game you enjoy played at a high level, and pro scenes tend to push the average level of gameplay up across the board.

If you're not into competition that's fine, but that makes you a beta male and like any beta male your opinion doesn't count.

>>384277702
>comp mode reduces the number of players by half
>the meta involves the use of 4 classes unless ubder very specific circumstances
>most of the fun weapons are banned
>exclusively play some of the worst maps
>be sub 2% of that games population but whine and cry so hard that people think you're far larger
Name the game

>>384277702
Do you play these games at a high level?

>>384278151
I'm a mediocre fighting game player and a mediocre arena shooter player.

>>384278107
Dunno tf2 or something? That game died in like 2009 as far as I'm concerned.

>>384278318
Correct
Comp TF2 is if you removed all the chaos and fun and made it a boring slog to both play and watch, only to act superior when the other 99% of the playerbase despises you for the shit attitudes they have

>>384277257
My problem is that it leaks into casual mode. You get kicked and banned if you're not tryharding. Old tf2 got it right the first time and then fucked it up with the forced comp mode. I hardly even knew comp in tf2 was a thing until the update.

>>384277676
I mean you're not entirely wrong but it's worth mentioning the demo nerf was replaced with a new one instead of being removed, and that nerf was still pretty large. Heavy nerd was fuckin weird, at least it's being somewhat reverted next patch after like years I guess.

>>384278318
Ok so you're an average player. Do you spend significant amounts of time watching profesional/highly skilled players?

>>384278646
That's why you don't try to make a dumb fun game into a competitive one. Those cunts should just go play quake or something. That doesn't mean competition is inherently wrong.

>>384278762
Not really, but I'd rather live in a world where EVO exists than one where it doesn't. I had fun watching it on the weekend. When I'm learning a game I like to watch high level play of my chosen character to advance quicker as well.

I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, games should be played not watched.
On the other, I think think there should be a place for legitimate competition.

>>384278927
Of course, nothing wrong with comp modes in comp games, but TF2 comp was always tiny because of the very reason that you mentioned, it being a dukb and fun game that no one really took seriously.

>>384274893
You're missing the point. You can play sports at any skill level. You can play video games at any skill level.

The point in watching either is to see people doing it at a high level of skill that you do not personally possess.

When you make the argument that video games are supposed to be played, not watched, the exact same logic can be applied to actual sports.

>>384279256
Yes they do. Only losers watch sports.

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esports has its moments. Particularly Dota.

>>384278670
Comp TF2 was literally sub 1000 people out of 70,000 players

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>>384259089
what the hell

>>384279546
wtf am I suposed to see

Sports fans feel victorious when the team they were rooting for wins because they can't play on the skill level of these people. Ergo they latch onto a gaggle of athletes that are more physically capable than they are. They gain this false sense of accomplishment because the team they were rooting for won even though they did nothing to ensure the teams victory, except maybe lining the teams pockets from the merch they bought.

I don't want video games to turn into this. I want it to be about personal accomplishments and not this shitty "my team won your team lost" mentality that pro sports has.

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>>384280064
Best team in the world at the time having a meltdown mid series.

>>384280070
So just play and ignore the scene?
Who's stopping you from playing soccer with your friends whenever you want?
I don't understand your mentality.

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>>384265595
Hey buddy a sport is the state of being physically active. What part of esports is physical?

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>Esports will never fail in your lifetime

>>384258004

I want to drink the drool of a cute girl.

>>384280413
My stance is that if poker is a sport so is videogames. If I was going to be strict though I don't really consider shit like bowling or golfing a sport to be honest. Baseball is borderline. Those fuckers are only active for like 8 minutes a game.

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>>384259586
It falls under the definition so.......

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>ever falling for the DOTA meme

N O P E

>>384280305
Because the industry will pander to esports. More games will come out with the sole purpose of trying to put a foot into the competitive scene which, as a result, will result in games that are just fun.

>>384280413
>a sport is the state of being physically active
no it's not, lmao. that's athletics. crossfit isn't a sport. doing jumping jacks isn't a sport.

>>384279227
This isn't entirely true though, as when tf2 first released there was launch tournaments for it, and a good chunk of good fps players from games like quake and tf1 tested it's out which is where the comp community first came from. Of course it garnered mass appeal later which overshadowed the existing comp community, but hey.
That being said valve is still mistreating the game I feel. Recent changes havent really been good for the casual or comp communities, to be completely honest.

>>384280842
So don't play the e-sports focused games? It seems like they wouldn't appeal to you anyway.
And I don't see how making a game with a focus on e-sports detracts from the casual experience, as far as I am aware casual game modes don't follow the competitive rules and just let you play and quit and have fun and stuff. If anything e-sports oriented games are more balanced and thus more fun because broken shit gets patched quicker, games receive more support and updates with new content like maps, weapons or whatever it is the game is about, and devs/publishers as a need to not lose players will be forced to "care" about the game.

If you're a casual cuck that gets bullied by "comp retards" in casual matches you just deserve it.

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>>384258004
I just want to go back to being able to invite people to play games and not have every single one of them every single time only want to play League of Legends.

>>384281261
Anon why do you have to be so grumpy? Why not just play League of Legends with your friends?

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>>384280616
I view baseball the same way but think about it this way. If it smells like shit, looks like shit, tastes like shit.....esports are not a sport.

>>384281261
I like mobas, but I can agree they've taken over way to much. I wouldn't mind if they lost a good chunk of players and retired to being more of a niche genre.

>>384281419
I don't see the fun in it at all. For the first few years when it showed up I DID just go and play it despite not liking the game just to spend time with friends (and I had been doing it with original DotA before), but when it's the ONLY thing everyone wants to play ALL the time you really stop being able to take it for the team man.

>>384281460
I'm saying if poker is a sport and by many definitions it is then so are video games. If you choose to only apply sport to shit like hockey and football then no video games are not sports.

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>>384280876
How are you that fucking dumb. If someone organized a world jumping jacks league that would be considered a sport.

>>384281419
Not him but I played mobas with my friends for years despite not loving them. At some point you just have to value your time too much to play dota.

>>384281824
>>384281724
Get better friends or convince them to try new things instead of only playing Dota/LoL. Stop being beta, stamp your feet down and tell them to play something else at least once every three weeks or something. If they tell you to fuck off just go find new people to play with, it's not even hard and those "friends" of yours were just wasting your time anyway.

>>384281812
>If someone organized a world jumping jacks league that would be considered a sport.
So what you're saying is that it's not a sport.

>>384281996
I'm fine dude, I just don't play dota and if they want to play something else I'm down. They're playing player unknown right now and I think that game looks like ass so I'm just going to pass.

>>384281727
But what are the physical aspects of poker?

>>384258004
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

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who /dotard2/ here? I know you're in this thread

dota is infinitely more fun to watch since its so complicated to play well

>>384282401
I dunno man. But poker is widely considered a sport. I think chess is as well.

twitch and DIGITALSPORTS just breed autism that leaks over into the other parts of vidya, tried to go to a vidya club at uni and they were all just WATCHING fucking league, games get patches tailor made to 1% of the playerbase, NEETs spend hours practicing, realize they're shit, and take their autism into casual modes to pubstomp, companies neglect games that don't have muh esperts appeal and put more effort into tournaments and shilling than actually making good games, etc.
nothing good comes of it

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>>384282079
Do you know what the defines a sport? A sport is activity involving physical exertion, in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Jumping jacks are a physical exertion. If I held a jumping jack competition it would be considered a sport. What part of playing a game is physically engaging?

>>384282705
Honestly though you can't balance for bronze. You can't make every ability do a ton of damage because a shitty player will miss them. Then the game is broken for players who can land their abilities.

You balance for the top 1/4 or so and let the retards flounder because balance barely matters at the level they're at.

are fighting games esports? Because you guys seem to love EVO

>>384282797
The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association football, athletics, cycling, tennis, equestrian sports, and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.

SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:

have an element of competition
be in no way harmful to any living creature
not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport.
They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics), primarily mind (such as chess or go), predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1 or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports), or primarily animal-supported (such as equestrian sport).

The inclusion of mind sports within sport definitions has not been universally accepted, leading to legal challenges from governing bodies in regards to being denied funding available to sports. Whilst SportAccord recognises a small number of mind sports, it is not open to admitting any further mind sports.

There has been an increase in the application of the term "sport" to a wider set of non-physical challenges such as video games, also called esports, especially due to the large scale of participation and organised competition, but these are not widely recognised by mainstream sports organisations. According to Council of Europe, European Sports Charter, article 2.i, " "Sport" means all forms of physical activity which, through casual or organised participation, aim at expressing or improving physical fitness and mental well-being, forming social relationships or obtaining results in competition at all levels.".

>>384282887
it's basically the same thing
but fighting game retards wil try their best tol pretend it's not e-sport for god knows what reason

>>384282797
>Do you know what the defines a sport?
the definition is very ambiguous, and not defined by any single authority. i see you've latched onto one possible definition, but you are not the authority that dictates what the word means.

>>384283221
Mostly just because it's less regulated. The shit fighting game players and casters say would get you fined or suspended if they were playing league for example.

>>384282652
Is it a the skill aspect of playing poker and chess? Because if being a sport also requires players to have a certain level of proficiency in order to compete, I can see a argument there.

>>384283310
have you never watched a dota 2 cast before?

>>384282853
I don't care about assfaggots balancing, games like shootans where you get things like tf2 trying to nerf demo's two primaries then getting shut down because "pro" tf2 players cried, or something like r6s's capitao losing his grenades (and by extent the fun of being the most hyperoffensive character) because pro league spergs complained while no one else cared
there's not balancing for retards, then there's not balancing for anyone BUT the top tier autists

>>384280923
The problem is the comp community is an extremely small minority and they demand to be pandered too, it pisses off the rest of the playerbase, which outnumbers them almost over 10-1
I have no problem with comp TF2 existing when they were by themselves and kept quiet, but now they're the loudest whiners and the most obnoxious posters.

sc2 is dead

csgo is dead

no other game is interesting

i don't give a f*ck anymore

>>384283525
>sc2 is dead
Man I still remember when those awful fucking threads polluted /v/ before moot added /vg/ and the catalog
good riddance to a shit game.

>>384283390
Yeah, they fired the only funny caster and called him an ass.

>>384283427
The problem there is that TF2 isn't really a competitive game so they shouldn't bother. But with something like quake or fighters they should absolutely be balancing for the more skilled players.

>>384258004
Fail, it's just a shitty excuse for people to play video games. It wouldn't be so bad if the players weren't such cunts. I also don't enjoy the games they play, but really there isn't much else to play competitively.

>>384258004
Succeed on a competitive level but be less autistic with the whole faggotry.
I personally want fighting games e-sports to be the biggest thing.
MOBA, fps and all that cancer should just remain for the casual plebs and gooks with no life.

>>384259572
>idolizing some shmuck just because they're known
Faggot

>>384260748
They won't age up contestants because old peoples just suck at video games. Just accept that you're dying and if you haven't done anything with your life yet, you most certainly won't now.

>>384283750
in any given shooter, the kind of shit that matters to "pro" players is generally disconnected from everyone on down
whereas fighters and assfaggots is a vast majority idiot savants, most shooters are much more of a bell curve

>>384259431
It's a combination of both. An amazing person is balanced and seeks improvement in all fields. Letting the mind or body wither is sign of mediocrity.

>>384282512
only good esport

>>384283941
>fighting games
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>>384283497
Yeah there's some hyper obnoxious whiners in the comp community. A lot of comp players are at the point where they've kinda resigned to being their own thing but some people are still clinging ti the whole 'save comp tf2' wagon. I like comp tf2, but things will be better when we just fully embrace that comp tf2 is just a big shitposting club on tf.gg desu.

>>384285456
what?

>>384285106
>Letting the mind or body wither is sign of mediocrity.
Nah, that's bullshit. Stephen Hawking has done more for humanity than any strong man faggot.

>>384285610
The sooner it's accepted the better, no one cared about comp TF2 players before the MYM update, but now the autism has completely destroyed what remains of the community.

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>>384258004
i want them to succeed so alpha male jock chads turn up to all the comps and gitgud and nerds go back to being nerds and making nerd games for nerds i.e good games

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>>384265595
>>384264242
>>384258764
>>384280616
>>384280876
>>384283135
>>384283307

Just because something is labeled a """sport""" by some fuckers in chairs does not make it one in the eyes of the public. Ask your average person if chess, poker, or video games are sports and they would laugh in your face. For the vast majority of the population on earth, a sport requires physical activity and competition.

>Be talking to girl on date
>"I heard you play sports anon, what do you play?"
> "I p-play Dota"

Most people saying video games can be sports are just angry nerds mad that they never played actual sports and got the acceptance that came with them.

>We wuz athletes

should i get a breakfast burrito or cheesesteak

Seeing video games on channels like ESPN 2 is actually really cool. I'd love to see more games on there like Dota, League, Rocket League, CS:GO, Halo, and other shit. I think having video games on primetime television is entirely untapped and whoever can do it successfully will become very rich.

>>384287013
Ok, so the average person thinks "sport" means "athleticism." Want me to list all of the other stupid shit the average person believes?

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>>384258004
Fail so people stop ruining games trying to cater to them.

>>384287247
vidya on ESPN is glorious for the amount of butthurt it causes

>>384259431
It's discipline. The baller and the jungler might both work 12 hours a day, but one's neglecting his own body.

>>384287812
>playing games, video or otherwise
>"working"

>>384258004
Fail.
Games are regularly getting ruined for muh competitive.

>>384287445
Thing is, this is a definition which is more subjective and cannot be factually proven. Few may call it a sport, but the general consensus is that it is not.

>>384288682
And yet they are called sports.