So now that this is coming out, you Metroid fans better damn

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>>384242460
The Metroid fan base has proven time and again that they are the worst fan base by far. Watch this game flop, as so-called fans pull stupid reasons out of their ass as to why they I only pirated the game.

>>384242460
Who is the Lucina of the Metroid series?

>>384242460
Why would I buy it if the fan remake not only looks better and not only is on a system I already own, but is also free?

>>384242460
fuck that. supporting a series just to keep it alive is stupid if it's not fun. I am a metroid fan but I'm only buying because it looks fucking fun

>>384242460
nah, I'll wait for prime 4.
game looks like shit.

>>384244514
Hey, if you prefer spin-off games to the main series, that's ok too.

>>384244115
>mad that no one took the bait, so he bumped his thread from page 10

Wow OP, you sure showed everyone. How about this. I won't buy it just to spite you. Metroid is a series that should have died a while ago. It's obvious that Nintendo has no idea how to handle it, just like Fire Emblem, another series that almost died and was going to be canceled, but now lives in undeath because of waifu faggotry. Why would I want the same for Metroid?

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>>384244896
Because Samus is sexy.

>>384244303
Bizarro Ridley.

>>384244402
>If you want this series to survive, you'd best start supporting it. And if you don't, you can kiss the Metroid series goodbye.

Already pre-ordered 2 Legacy Editions

Prime 4 can fucking flop for all I care though.

>>384242460
Fuck off and kill yourself shill

>>384246808
Personally, I'm excited for both

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I'm about halfway through AM2R right now, and honestly, can Nintendo even compete? I do plan on buying it if the consensus is good but the look isn't appealing and it just doesn't look very atmospheric. If it can't match the mounting tension of the lower Metroid lair where it gets dark in AM2R, why bother?
Also the Metroids looks less aggressive. Although I do like that they look like actual boss fights now, and not just the same battle over and over. That's one thing I would have liked to see happen in AM2R.

>>384247043
AM2R's atmosphere is even more lifeless than ZM. I don't get it.

>>384244514
>complain for 10 years about not having side scrolling metroid
>complain about side scrolling metroid

gamers are the worst.

>>384246873
>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

Not buying it because that gives demand toward releasing games on an outdated handheld in 240p.

>>384247043
While I'm at it, instead of having you deposit Metroid DNA into a gate to get further access into the planet, they should have just got rid of the lava altogether and let you go wherever you want but have access blocked by the necessity of items. Like normal Metroid.

>>384247218
You kidding? The connecting tunnels between each section is super-foreboding, the Brinstar remix for water treatment facility got me in all sorts of awe at the depth of the planet. And yeah, delving deeper and deeper as the music gets creepy and the lights get dim and you see discarded skin moltings and Metroids start coming out without warning. I'd say that's pretty atmospheric.

>>384247476
>the Brinstar remix for water treatment facility
Left zero impact on me, the whole game's soundtrack was completely forgettable. The graphics were either copypasted or half-assed. The two most important aspects of a game that contribute to its atmosphere were romhack-tier.

>>384246669
But I don't want it to survive. The fans know how to make a Metroid game, and Nintendo doesn't. Why would I want this?

>>384247606
I will give you that as a whole, the soundtrack wasn't amazing, and I haven't felt the desire to save more than one or two tracks, but I do love the Brinstar remix.

Disagree with you with the graphics, but I probably don't have an eye for sprite art. It isn't as good-looking as Super, I'll give you that.

I don't get this mentality, people thinking that Metroid fans aren't buying Metroid games and thus the series is not financially viable. Metroid fans DO buy Metroid games, that's why they're fans. The thing is that there aren't enough Metroid fans.

>>384244279
>The Metroid fan base has proven time and again that they are the worst fan base by far
This.
>>384244303
Samus

>>384242460
>We're looking at a Fire Emblem emergency here. If you want this series to survive, you'd best start supporting it. And if you don't, you can kiss the Metroid series goodbye.
I would rather have had Fire Emblem die with New Mystery of the Emblem than see it become the shallow waifushit it is now.

>>384247606
>>384247926
I do wish AM2R had went balls-out with this track:
http://youtu.be/D3ZsfpMBRmE
Shit better be in Samus Returns.

>release Metroid Other M
>Turn a silent protagonist into an annoying bitch who won't shut up
>Make her a pussy
>Make the story shit
>Make the gameplay shit
>Just "Metroid" by name alone
>No one buys it
>"People obviously don't want Metroid"

>releases Samus Returns
>it's on a five year old handheld even though there's a brand new one now
>low resolution
>gotta leave processing power room open for a 3D effect no one wants
>No one buys it
>"Obviously people still don't want Metroid!"

Why do they treat Metroid like trash and then blame us for not buying it? Why the fuck isn't this game coming to Nintendo's main console? All I can see with that pixely, blurry mess is nothing but a shovelware game. It's not "muh graphics" I can tell behind that wall of blocks is a game with a nice art style, fantastic animations, and great gameplay, what may be the best Metroid in a long time, but it's getting totally gimped on what is basically a TI-85 calculator by today's PPI standards.

>>384247352
this

>>384247352
>Spend ten years saying I want a new 2D Metroid
>Get a 2.5D Metroid instead
>WHY AREN'T YOU HAPPY YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR

>>384247926
>but I probably don't have an eye for sprite art.
That's very apparent

>>384247978
>>384242460
this, but I'm confident at least one of the two new metroid games will sell a ton. people are returning to nintendo games for the first time in a decade and they want to see what they missed. they'll definitely be picking up metroid prime 4 and maybe samus returns if they like prime 4 a lot

>>384248126
If Metroid isn't able to sell 1 million copies on a system with an install base of almost 70 million units, then the series deserves to die, desu.

>>384248126
>Turn a silent protagonist into
>people pretend to like Metroid but never played Fusion
Stop shitposting.

>>384248153
A U T I S M
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>>384248153
>Get a 2.5D Metroid instead
You are incredibly dumb.

>>384248242
How much did Fed Force sell, 15,000 units?

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>>384248126
>I like the 3D effect. I have a small 3DS and it makes the screen feel fuller.

>>384244279
What about the Fire Emblem fanbase?

>>384248172
Which parts exactly are shitty? Because I thought the enemies and environments look pretty damn great.

>>384248490
Bad, but mostly due to the schism between japanese only, GBA/GC-era and new games.

>>384248490
Not even in the same ballpark, desu. Did you forget that Metroid fans started a petition for a game NOT to be released?

>>384248502
I felt like the art was variable in style and quality. Like the Arachnus battle, all the new sprites were pretty inconsistent. But on the other hand, the Metroids looked great.

>>384248606
Oh GOD that was embarrassing.
Probably one of the worst thing any fanbase has done

>>384248681
>>384248606
blatant samefag

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>>384248718
No

>>384248346
No, there's a different, and you know it just as well as I do. Samus Returns looks like shit, everyone saying that AM2R looked better than it is right. I don't want shitty 3D visuals on a goddamn 240p device, I wanted a 2D Metroid.

>>384248606
>>384248681
Oh man I want to know the details on that one.

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>>384248718
>>384248718
Dumb faggot.

>>384248778
>I wanted a 2D Metroid
Gameplay wise (the most important thing) you are getting a 2D game

>>384248790
Fed Force was revealed, nobody wanted it. What's not to understand?

>>384248778
This. Good 2D art doesn't age.

>>384248820
>>384248745
>Photoshop.

>>384248850
Dumb faggot.

>>384248778
>>384248845
Stick with your retro games then retards

>>384248837
You mean
>Fed Force was revealed
>Metroid fanbase went to 100% autism
>shat up all Nintendo threads and forums
>went on a rabbid quest to shut down any discussion of any 3DS, Wii U and later NX/Switch
>Tanabe received death threats
>several petitions to remove Fed Force

>>384248837
Nevermind, got my posts mixed up. I thought we were talking about Fire Emblem fans.

>>384248825
A 2D game with free aiming and a game-breaking counter.

>>384245020
>Implying Samus is a Bottle Blonde.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13456916

just fucking vote and quit arguing, you fags

>>384249361
>game-breaking
lol

>>384249405
You forgot piracy

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>>384249405
Boated.

>>384249528
No, I didn't. Piracy isn't buying so click "no".

>Trusting Sakamoto at all.

>>384242460
Why no Wii U release if its releasing on the 3Ds.

>>384249578
what does that even mean?

>>384249660
???

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>>384249667
It means I voted.
Now have an upboat, friendo.

>>384249751
Gah! human affection!

>>384249959
Human (Chozo)

>>384250043
>chozo
>cholo
>choco
samus black and mexican confirmed

>>384242460
if this game flops the fanbase cant complain anymore sadly i think most of these people will pirate it anyway so GG

>>384250248
If Nintendo wanted some cool points, they could have given the AM2R creator a pat on the back and give it their full endorsement and make it available on e-shop.

>>384249405
Majority of votes are day one buys. Well, that's that. I'm sure the game will do fine. I predict at least 800k lifetime sales

>>384250561
Only one other person other than me voted to wait.
Well at least I did my part and bought the first three games on VC.

>>384247741
>trusting fans to do anything new or interesting

>>384242460

I know its just someone larping but if anyone wants anyone to financially support any game, don't make shit games.

>>384250974
Just curious but why wait? I mean, it's only $40

>>384251185
>only $40
I might think like that when I get a full-time job again (got laid off from mine).

Gameplay wise, Other M was fine except when you can't move when using missiles

>>384251301
if you subscribe to amazon prime, it'll probably only be like $30

>>384251629
I don't. I don't shop online that much.

>>384251673
well, I hope you still get to play the game eventually. Been buying a couple $20 3ds games and it's been pretty fun when I have time. which is almost never because of work

>>384242460
I will be buying it. I won't be buying Prime 4, though.

>>384252275
My friend is actually pre-ordering it and since his 3DS got stolen I'm lending him mine, so I'll get to test it out and eventually I will buy it because honestly I love my 3DS and will welcome another game.

>>384242460
I'm gonna buy it even though I've barely played much Metroid outside of Federation Force just to support the series.

>>384244279
>The Metroid fan base has proven time and again that they are the worst fan base by far.
This is one of the dumbest memes /v/ has ever coined.

>>384248956
The game is shit so it may as well not exist anyway

>>384242460
I'd only buy it if it's actually a good game. But I won't because I have barely touched my 3DS since I bought it years ago and I have massive buyer's remorse. Since then I pirated all 3DS games just to not play them.

>>384244303
Zero Suit Samus (yes, I'm treating her separately from Samus). Complete with legion of waifu-fags.

>>384253291
>3DS
>buyer's remorse
Lolwut

>>384253375
Turns out I grew out of handhelds. And to a lesser extent gaming as a whole. Total waste of money.

>>384248606
>>384248681
>>384248790
>>384248956
>salty Fed Force fanboy defending his bargain bin-tier game
You'll probably eat up Hey Pikmin too.

>>384253481
>Turns out I grew out of handhelds
I find myself playing handhelds way more often than consoles these days. It's very convenient when you can just get it out of drawer and start playing anytime.

>And to a lesser extent gaming as a whole.
Why are even on /v/ then?

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>>384253519
I've never played Federation Force but petitioning for a game that's already being made to be halted is epic retardation.

>Metroid fanbase has 5 (five) Masterpieces under its belt, both 2D and 3D
>still feel like they're being treated like shit and have a massive victim complex

you fags dont know the pain of Reggie burning your dreams with a fireball.
That was an actualy "FUCK YOU"

>>384253892
After the SR and Prime 4 announcements, I don't have any reason to be angry any more. It's Fusion and Prime all over again.

>>384253892
>Ten year gap where the only games were Other M and Fed Force
>lol this isn't a shitty way to treat a franchise

>you fags dont know the pain of Reggie burning your dreams with a fireball.
Mother 3 fag. Like clockwork. Download the fan translation; Itoi gave it his blessing.

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Supporting Metroid is important to me.

But not supporting Sakamoto is more important.

>>384254214
I don't like Sakamoto either but it's not like he's making a whole new game from scratch, there's a base already there.

>>384253795
People make stupid petitions for everything. I don't why people like you use it like it means much for some guy to make something. I could make a petition tomorrow asking to cancel Star Wars Battlefront 2 and you'll suddenly denounce the Battlefront fans as the worst.

>>384254214
>But not supporting Sakamoto is more important.
>posts his garbage waifu-fag version of Samus

>>384254214
Kill yourself.

>>384254412
Petitions are for actual important causes, not fucking videogames.

>>384254412
If your petition reaches 24k signatures, you'll have a point.

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>>384254490
Believe it or not, I sometimes consider jacking it to video game characters.

never played any metroid
do i play super metroid, mission zero or am2r?

>>384254809
Zero Mission is an excellent place to start.
From there you can play the 2D games (AM2R > Super > Fusion) or start playing the Prime games (Prime 1 > Prime 2 > Prime 3).

>>384254809
Super Metroid of course. Play Zero Mission after.

>>384254809
Yes. Also, play Fusion and the Prime games.

>>384254696
Why don't you go do that on /h/ instead of shitting up an otherwise decent thread with your waifufaggotry then.

>>384254809
Start with ZM. It's the weakest 2D one so you can work your way up. Plus it's canonically first so there's that too.

>>384254556
I'm not you're not even bothered by the tonnes of vidya petitions on the net, especially many that have a positive slant, only this one bothers you and don't pretend otherwise.

>>384254570
I think this game's sales proved a bigger point. Was it worth all those resources and man-hours?

>>384253997
Same here. Things will probably work out fine once the games come out. SR looks promising, and I have faith that everyone involved with Prime 4 are well aware that they better not fuck this up.

>>384254809
cmon, anon. do you really want a part in the cancer that is the metroid community? just leave and never return. you'll thank me

>>384255015
What the fuck is your problem? He just posted an image.

>>384254696
I believe it, because /v/ is a hive of autism, but enabling you waifu-fags is what ruins so many franchises and characters.

>>384255119
>weaker than OG Metroid or Metroid II
Nah

>>384255231
You're trying really hard to push this meme, buddy. Did a Metroid fan beat you up in school or something?

>>384244402
>Looks better
>All assets are from Zero Mission

>>384255480
nah, not even the same guy. was mostly joking anyway. metroid is cool

>>384254809
ZM, Super, and then save AM2R for after Samus Returns.

>>384247741
>Fans know how to make Metroid
>AM2R is almost 1:1 Metroid 2 with Zero Mission assets and all of the new content is complete shit

>>384255756
I thought the escape sequence mid-game was pretty cool.

>>384248153
>Why did they turn a 2D game on a console that does 3D vision into a 2.5D game?

Are you retarded?

>>384255879
They already abandoned the 3D feature with Pokemon.

>>384242460
>If you want this series to survive, you'd best start supporting it.

You're implying that Samus Returns is going to be anything except Other M 2.0

This is not how you save the franchise. SR is the final nail in the coffin. It's time to move on.

>>384255931
Only because Game Freak can't optimize for shit.

>>384255942
What does this even mean?

>>384255756
>shit opinions: the post

>>384249361
>Muh counter

Oh yes I completely forgot about the insanely deep Metroid combat of enemies flying at you in a straight line (or down!!) And just shooting at them

>Actually complaining about 360 aiming

>>384255931
They didn't have a choice, their engine is so shitty, it already lags the 3DS to shit.

>>384250356
But Zero Mission is already on the e-shop

>>384255706
Oh, sorry.

I wish I didn't miss out on it when I was younger. Besides like an hour of Zero Mission one time when I was younger, and the short demo of Super in Brawl/Smash 4, I haven't played Metroid besides Fed Force.

>>384256101
It was basic but at least there was some amount of positioning necessary to make your shots. 360 aiming is just going to make things even shallower.

>>384255756
The armadillo and Chozo robot boss fights are pretty great.

The sequence where you control the robot and the Resident Evil-esque part where you find the research team's camp are both pretty great. I'm only halfway through, but I don't see the problem.

>>384248126
>gotta leave processing power room open for a 3D effect no one wants
Where did this meme start? The glasses free 3D on the 3DS is great and I hope they make a Switch 3D as a revision of the Switch or at the very least save the tech for some future system.

>>384255942
woah, so this is the new autism they just released. didn't think it would be this potent. ebin

>>384255931
>Actually expecting Gamefreak to know how to code

>>384256082
They're using Other M Samus in the remake, complete with Zero suit with the big wedge heels. Other than that I don't know what he's talking about.

>>384255879
>>384255931
The game is going to be 3D all the time, right? I'm probably the only person who plays with it on and I get annoyed when newer games only have certain parts in 3D. It sucks on the smaller 3DS.

>>384256283
seriously? that's terrible. go play zero mission right now!

>>384256293
3D aiming has the draw back of not being able to move while doing it

already preordered

>>384256425
Yeah it's 3D all the time

You can even see some of the bosses stalking you in the background

>>384256402
source?

>>384256402
>They're using Other M Samus in the remake
Look at the Varia Suit, anon, it's not the Other M one.

>>384254809
Super or zero is a great place to start

>>384256402
That's it?

>>384256541
>You can even see some of the bosses stalking you in the background
Okay that's pretty cool.

>>384256547
Just watch the Tree house video. Around the 40 minute mark she dies and the ZSS is revealed. The coloring looks more like smash bros than Other M but besides that it's the same suit.

>>384256557
Please read the entire post before you respond.

>>384250356
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13456916
That would just encourage more people to make fan projects.

>>384256446
>right now!
But it's 1:30 in the morning, anon. And should I play OG Metroid first before I play the remakes so I can appreciate the series' roots and the advancements the remake has made?

>>384256784
>should I play OG Metroid first
Fuck no, don't bother, the first game is pure shit.

>>384242460
>mercury stream

Yeah sure, because Metroid surviving as western shovelware is a good thing

>>384256784
Metroid 1 is very dated, but it's also quite different to any of the other entries.

I think it's better to come back later if you're interested.

>>384256402
>Zero Suit has heels in Samus Returns

So is everyone just seeing what they want from that super blurry picture? Because in just seeing standard heels in her feet

>>384242460
I would be more inclined to buy it if you didn't call AM2R crap. But since you did i think I'm just going to sit back and watch metroid die without me giving a single cent to nintendo.

>>384256784
OG metroid will turn you off if you're new

>>384256886
>Metroid 1 is very dated
From what little of it I played in Smash 4's demo I can tell, but you can say that for most NES games. I don't even like how the original SMB feels.

>I think it's better to come back later if you're interested.
Wouldn't I dislike it more if I play the better games first though?

>>384255015
>nothing but shitflinging since the first post
>decent thread

>>384256896
A casual glance at her feet obviously show the big heels. You would have to be legitimately blind to not see them, they're even colored a darker blue to mark them.

>>384257095
It will only frustrate you. When you're seasoned you can come back for the challenge alone.

>>384257095
Like I said, it's very different. While ZM and Super will gently guide you where you need to go with tight level design and powerups, Metroid 1 just drops you into a maze and lets you figure out the rest. It's very unforgiving and the level design is pretty forgettable, but it's fine to play once.

>>384257416
>ZM will gently guide you
>Chozo statues literally tell you exactly where to go

>>384257217
They look just like her original heels

>>384257269
>>384257416
Very well then. I'll be getting Samus Returns to support the series as well. Plus I haven't had a new 3DS game in a while anyway.

>>384257553
The Chozo statues don't tell you everything but you do have a point.

The Zero Suit was a mistake

>>384257624
No they absolutely don't but I can see you've made up your mind so it's pointless to argue with you.

>>384257828
Nah.

>>384257828
>tfw we will never get the vastly superior Super undies ever again

I wish I could strangle Sakamoto to death.

>>384242460
No fucking shit I'm gonna buy it.

Hell, now that it and Prime 4 are a thing, I even decided to go back and get Federation Force.

I haven't had the will to go beyond the third mission. I need someone who is as masochistic as myself to join me.

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>>384257828
Outside making Samus waifu bait (they already did that from day one) it is kind of silly that she has a uniform on under her uniform and it's yet another thing for Nintendo to put a trademark on.

I don't see why she can't wear whatever undies she feels like on a particular day under the suit.

>>384242460
whens it come out?

>>384257861
>no longer a /fit/ girl
>now just a generic barbie doll with a stupid beauty spot and a fat flabby ass
>waifufags to flock to her and now they put more and more focus on her outside of the suit
Yeah, it was.

>>384244618
metroid prime takes place directly after metrio1/zero mission so its not a spinoff

>>384258269
No, it wasn't.

>>384258137
>Hell, now that it and Prime 4 are a thing, I even decided to go back and get Federation Force.
Why?

>I haven't had the will to go beyond the third mission. I need someone who is as masochistic as myself to join me.
I beat the entire campaign on single player before I played co-op. With the assist drones.

>>384258282
I kinda hate that. When I first played Prime I thought it was after Super. It kinda reduces the impact of Ridley returning then.
Instead of
>you! How did you survive?
It's
>oh, it's you.

>>384250984
>AM2R
>Axiom Verge

>>384255756
>several of the areas have been completely revamped from generic-ass temples into actual chozo facilities, you can do all sorts of neat moves Metroid 2 never had, there's all sorts of secrets Metroid 2 never had, the Metroids are smart or vulnerable in ways they weren't in Metroid 2, logbook entries, two or three new areas that were never present in Metroid 2, several new mechanics for bosses that were present in M2 as well as several new bosses altogether

>somehow almost 1:1 Metroid 2

And then there's the fact that you're outright lying when you say it's using Zero Mission assets.

Prime games are shit Metroid games

>>384258461
Yep.

>>384258461
3D Zelda games are shit Zelda games
3D Mario games are shit Mario games
etc.

>>384258373
Because I was never actually thought Federation Force looked like a bad game, just a really niche and out of place one that came at a bad time. So I decided to show my appreciation for the Metroid franchise for getting the spin-off when it became clear that they were making proper entries finally.

>>384258461
They're not shit, they're just different. They got the isolation, exploration and backtracking elements good, it's just that it did so with more puzzles and a slower pace.

>>384258149
>they already did that from day one
I'm not if you get how it waifu-bait works because the concept of waifus wasn't even a thing back then.

>it is kind of silly that she has a uniform on under her uniform
It makes more sense to have a full bodysuit under armour compared to underwear or a leotard. The problem is how they push it so much now. Other M was a big example.

>>384258358
t. waifufag

>>384258839
How am I a waifufag?

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>>384255015
/h/ threads move too slow.

And besides, you're acting like people who enjoy Metroid and people who jack it to Samus fall into two very distinct and separate camps. It's possible to do both.

>>384258839
>I'm not if you get how it waifu-bait works because the concept of waifus wasn't even a thing back then.
It wasn't, but it's still obvious why you're "treated" to half-nekkid Samus if you beat the game.

>It makes more sense to have a full bodysuit under armour compared to underwear or a leotard.
I bet she is rank under that thing.

>>384258598
But now that you've played it your thoughts on it have changed, presumably? Or do you just find it tedius without co-op?

>>384258373
Crap, made a big mistake. I meant [/spoiler]without the assist drones. Which made that mission where you had to push a cart through a storm very hard.[/spoiler]

>>384259040
Two left hands

I'm pirating it, I don't give a shit. They'll never surpass SM anyway and that game will constantly get romhacks regardless of whether Nintendo supports the series or not

>>384251612
>Gameplay wise, Other M was fine
Fuck no, it absolutely was not.

>Auto-aim cone is fucking 120*
>Dodge can be spammed with absolutely no cooldown AND a fucking massive window of activation that doesn't need a prospective attack to be anywhere NEAR you AND charges your shot

The gameplay would have been fine if it was a TPS with rail shooter controls, like Kid Icarus, with Samus shooting where the wiimote cursor was and using the nunchuck to move her around with only the push of a button to go into FPS mode. That alone would have massively improved the depth of enjoyment of combat. But nooo, muh sideways wiimote, muh NES controller.

>>384258839
>It makes more sense to have a full bodysuit under armour compared to underwear or a leotard

It's space bird magic that has energy to matter conversion abilities. It doesn't have to make sense. Undies are superior.

>>384242460
>your crap fangame is better
but it's not, it's literally a glorified romhack versus a remake made from scratch

>>384259081
No, my opinions are the same as ever. Other M was a legitimately bad game, but the biggest thing that can be said about Federation Force's first three missions so far is "kinda meh". Some people might be offended that it's kinda mediocre but I wouldn't say it's bad. It might be better if I got a competent team and wasn't carrying like one person who stands around letting themselves get hit all the time.

Also the control schemes are fucking cancer. It controls like a goddamn tank, which IS offensive after having enjoyed stylus aiming controls for Metroid Prime: Hunters. Perhaps it makes thematic sense given that you are basically controlling a mech but it seriously takes away from my gameplay immersion because it's so fucking clunky and makes a lot of the difficulty feel artificial when I'm fighting the controls.

But really I don't think it's outright bad so far. Just not terribly impressive with controls that don't fit well for me. Maybe if I could actually find other people to play with I'd enjoy it more since the difficulty would be offloaded onto a team.

>>384259497
>magical bird armor that can materialize at will
>not being naked underneath

>>384259725
>romhack
You don't know a single thing you're talking about, do you?

>>384253375
A lot of the 3DS entries for Nintendo franchises are weak. The only series that have had great entries are Kid Icarus and Zelda, Metroid may join that list if Samus Returns is good. Everything else ranged from bad to okay.

>>384258873
Because you think it was a good idea when it's been tied to the degradation of Samus's character into whatever the hell she was in Other M.

>>384259057
>It wasn't, but it's still obvious why you're "treated" to half-nekkid Samus if you beat the game.
Unless people were fapping to blocky sprites back in 1986 I'd say it was to make it obvious that it was a girl under the suit.

>>384259497
You don't wear exposed skin under heavy armour. That's retarded.

>>384260007
The Zero Suit has nothing to do with that, dumbass.

>>384259972
What is Etrian Odyssey?

>>384260007
>You don't wear exposed skin under heavy armour. That's retarded

She did it for decades. Fusion is still the farthest forward in the series and she's got her 2 piece combo under it so it's obviously perfectly fine for her.

>>384260210
Not a Nintendo franchise

>>384259972
Uprising was overrated and mediocre. I don't get why everyone has a throbbing boner for it. The controls sucked and the writing (which people praised to heck) was lame, with a story chock full of filler and the jokes being mostly meta-humour, characters being overly hammy and meme-bait lines like "Floor ice cream gives you health".

Smash 4 and Mario Kart 7 are a little disappointing compared to the previous outings (for 7 I'm comparing it to DS rather than Wii though) but both were still fun enough to sink a tonne of hours into.

>>384260007
>Unless people were fapping to blocky sprites back in 1986
You honestly think they weren't?

>>384260331
My apologies I missed that.

>>384260347
Yes

>>384259782
>magical bird armor that can materialize at will
That Other M magical girl transformation stuff was garbage.

>>384260114
The Zero suit is tied to having Samus appear more often outside of her armour, because that's what waifufags want to see.

>>384259874
I like how you ignored the "glorified" word before "romhack"

learning to read sure is hard these days

>>384242460
I already paid in full on Amazon and I was thinking of buying a second copy for my twelve year old Nephew and Niece (twins) should I subject them to a lifetime of crushed hopes or should I let them play Pokémon and be happy a little while longer. They already started playing old FF games and I don't have the heart to tell them that after 9/10 it goes down hill unbelievably fast so I don't know if I have it in me to expose them to Other M.

>>384242460
Ima buy it

>>384260345
Everything in this post is wrong.

>>384260645
How naive you are.

>>384261052
Okay

>>384260785
Luckily I never played it, but I can't deny that it is canon.

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>>384244402
That is the dumbest thing I've ever read... I have AM2R and I bought a copy off Amazon when the Gods of gaming give you a second chance you take it in both hands. You want Other M and whatever that turd they shat out last year on the 3Ds to be the fading light of Metroid!?

>>384260979
"Glorified" coming before "romhack" does not make it more important than the usage of the word "romhack". Especially when you use the word "literally" even further before, preceding "glorified".

Your statement has essentially culminated in saying "it is, in truthful reality, a genuine romhack which has been blown out of proportion and made to seem as if it is something it is not, which is NOT a romhack"

>>384248246
>Fusion samus stays silent for most of the game until a few key cutscenes at the end where she finally had enough

you first

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>>384261485
Don't care. I still have Super, MP1 and MP2. Nothing will take that away.

>>384255845
The power bomb segment in AM2R was stupid. Escape sequences usually happen for a reason, either at the explicit end of an act (Super, Prime, Zero Mission), at the end of the game (Metroid, Super, Fusion, etc.) or because a malicious character in the game explicitly sets off the self-destruct sequence (Fusion). AM2R decides to have Samus blow up a building for no real reason other than to "get the power bombs" (which are entirely optional in this game). Then it turns out that blowing up the facility awakens a rockem sockem bird robot. Finally, you make it to the end and you still end up getting hit by the explosion anyway, making the escape sequence pointless. And unlike the explosion in Prime that causes you to lose your power-ups and acts as an explanation for why Samus needs to reacquire basic suit functionality, this one just causes you to lose most your health (and there's a nearby save station that can heal you to max health straight away).

>>384261706
Until even they become a joke because of how toxic the games became.

>>384259040
not really no

i'm a frequent masturbator but i never once have with samus porn. she's physically beautiful but she has never been an overtly sexual character until smash bros ruined everything. My conclusion is that those who come to metroid thread to discuss the games and lore are the real metroid fans, and those who shit up the thread with noncanon pics of samus are smashfags

>>384260345
>The controls sucked
Just because you're not used to them doesn't mean they sucked. The degree of customization that was allowed with the control scheme was fantastic, using the stylus to aim felt quick and responsive, and I have NEVER HAD ANY SORT OF CRAMPS WHILE PLAYING.

Then again maybe because that's because I figured out how to play Hunters on the ogDS like half a decade prior.

The writing and delivery in earlier chapters wasn't as good as later ones, but overall the writing and humour was intended to be a cheesy sort of humour. Then again cheesy is one of the more controversial types of humour so it's understandable if it didn't fly with you.

>jokes mostly being meta-humour
Ehh, I recognize that there was a meta-humour presence but I think you're overplaying it.

>characters being overly hammy
You say that like it's a bad thing, in a medium of entertainment that at the time was taking itself way too fucking seriously.

The gameplay loop was enjoyable enough that I subjected myself to over 140 hours of playing the game, combining weapons to get good stats that played to their strengths and enjoying the online component, but I never felt that either the multiplayer or single player components outshined one or the other. I also appreciated the standard gamut of menu fuckery and side-content that Sakurai likes to include in his games, something that I felt was a little lacking in Sm4sh compared to Brawl.

>>384260345
The controls are mostly fine, you're just holding the console incorrectly. Whoever decided that they should package a stand with the game was an idiot since it encourages people to hold it awkwardly. Your stylus hand should be on the side of the touchscreen and supporting the console, rather than hovering over the touchscreen. The only real flaw is the vehicle controls (mainly the special ability requiring you to press a button on the touchscreen) and auto dodging can be a bit annoying (especially since the 3DS's circlepad is shit so it's difficult to not run at full speed everywhere and trigger the auto-dodge). But it's the best they could with the original 3DS since it only had one shoulder button on each side. The stylus controls gave you speed and precision that is only matched by mouse, anyone who claims otherwise needs to get better at the game.

Also the writing was decent compared to most Nintendo games (both old and new). It can get annoying on subsequent playthroughs (something this game encourages) but thankfully you can turn off the voice acting and the music is great.

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>>384262183
>she has never been an overtly sexual character until smash bros ruined everything.
Pic related.
I agree with you on Smash Bros. to an extent, though. The entire series is cancer anyway.

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>>384261789
I still thought it was cool.

>>384262220
>Just because you're not used to them doesn't mean they sucked.
Oh boy, the "the controls don't suck you just suck" meme. Were you damage controlling for Star Fox Zero's controls too? It's not like I played it for a few hours and gave up. I played the entire game right to the ending. I think beating the entire game is enough time to judge whether the controls worked or not.

>and I have NEVER HAD ANY SORT OF CRAMPS WHILE PLAYING.
Neither have I. It still wasn't a good control scheme regardless.

>Then again cheesy is one of the more controversial types of humour so it's understandable if it didn't fly with you.
The problem wasn't that it was cheesy, it's that it tried way too hard to be funny.

>Ehh, I recognize that there was a meta-humour presence but I think you're overplaying it.

>You say that like it's a bad thing, in a medium of entertainment that at the time was taking itself way too fucking seriously.
You can have characters be over-the-top, but the "punchline" was literally "Look how over-the-top this character is! Isn't that hilarious everybody?". Characters like Thanatos with that stupid voice and lines like "The H is for HAMAZING!". Like what is the appeal here?

I wanted to like Uprising, I really did. I thought it was cool that they revived a dead IP like that to give it a new lease on life. But after playing it I was pretty unimpressed and it didn't even live up to what people were acting like it was.

>I also appreciated the standard gamut of menu fuckery and side-content that Sakurai likes to include in his games, something that I felt was a little lacking in Sm4sh compared to Brawl.
Yeah, although the gameplay is more refined, Brawl felt like way better package to me. Still, having Smash on the go pretty convenient and fun. Although I honestly would have just preferred the Wii U version on it's own if it meant it wouldn't have been held back by the 3DS version.

>>384256784
It depends how old you are. If you can tolerate NES games that can be unforgiving at times then you'll not have too much of an issue with OG Metroid. Metroid II actually controls a lot better than the NES game but the Gameboy's tiny resolution and the lack of a map put some people off. Super is probably the first game that is begginer friendly but a modern audience will probably find that game too cryptic at times as well. Zero Mission and Fusion have a lot more handholding, although since Zero Mission is a re-imagining of the first game in the series and Fusion is the last game (relying on plotpoints from Metroid II and Super to set up the plot), Zero Mission is pretty much the go-to recommendation for most people.

I think it's worth mentioning that Zero Mission is a fairly different game from the original. The original was more like a maze that intentionally confused and unsettled the player, while Zero Mission is like Super but with more handholding and generally faster/snappier gameplay. If you don't start with the NES game then I'd still recommend trying it at some point. It comes as a bonus feature with Zero Mission and that version includes a save system, so you have little excuse to not try it if you have time to kill.

>>384263602
I don't understand why so many people cry about the lack of a map in Metroid II. Each area is so small that it's hard to get lost.

>>384262547
>if you don't like the controls you're just bad at it
This meme needs to die already.

Controlling the camera and the cursor with the same thing is a retarded idea. They didn't even fix the problem by adding circled pro support for the camera.

Also thanks for reminding me about the running/dodge controls; that got annoying to. Also the flying segments were just forgettable. Couldn't wait to get back onto the ground in each chapter.

There are 420 2D metroidvanias on the market but essentially no 3D ones, I'll day one prime 4 and see if SR is good before buying it

>>384263052
>Oh boy, the "the controls don't suck you just suck" meme.
I didn't say you sucked, I said you're not used to them. They're wholly different statements. The gaming audience as a whole has had consistent issues with regards to new or unorthodox control schemes, making it especially difficult to tell whether the controls are actually bad or whether they're just too far off the beaten path for people to be particularly decent with. But my impression is that Metroid Prime: Federation Force is the former, and Metroid Prime: Hunters and Kid Icarus: Uprising are the latter.

>Star Fox Zero's controls
They weren't any worse than The World Ends With You's controls but they did have a similar issue of having to pay attention to multiple screens and use a nonstandard method of interaction rather than buttons and sticks.

>The problem wasn't that it was cheesy, it's that it tried way too hard to be funny.
I fail to see the difference.

>You can have characters be over-the-top, but the "punchline" was literally "Look how over-the-top this character is! Isn't that hilarious everybody?". Characters like Thanatos with that stupid voice and lines like "The H is for HAMAZING!". Like what is the appeal here?
Well that particular line is a nod to localization errors. But I don't really have a kneejerk reaction to hammy and over the top characters - I have a tendency to find them endearing if they don't overstay their welcome, and generally I found that only two characters were especially over the top and hammy in Kid Icarus: Uprising, those being Thanatos at the tippity top of over the top, and Hades following a bit further down to a more approachable level of fabulous, which is good given the former only shows up for like one mission and the latter shows up more than that.

I suppose the sun god dude was fairly hammy but, again, one mission.

>>384263602
>It depends how old you are.
Early 20s. Grew up with the SNES and PS1.

>Super is probably the first game that is begginer friendly but a modern audience will probably find that game too cryptic at times as well.
I've only played the demo including in Smash, but from what I played it felt good. Personally I feel series like Mario and Zelda didn't hit their stride until the SNES and were too clunky (for lack of a better term) on the NES.

>It comes as a bonus feature with Zero Mission and that version includes a save system, so you have little excuse to not try it if you have time to kill.
Wait, it has the original included? I never heard about that until now.

>>384263754
Same, I grew up with Metroid II and while I appreciate the map in AM2R, I was just fine as a kid because I just kept wandering until I got what I needed done. Pretty much how I do things in real life.

>>384261846
The only thing that became toxic was the 2D fans, almost exactly like the 2D Zelda fans

>>384264075
You have to beat ZM to unlock the original Metroid.

I believe Prime had an unlockable original Metroid, but I don't remember what the requirement is.

>>384264182
*2D purists
Super's my favorite game in the series, that doesn't stop me placing Prime 2nd.

>>384264075
Mario is objectively already God-tier in its first outing. Zelda and Metroid found their perfection in 16-bit.

Also holy shit finish Super. I m honestly think no 2D Metroid will surpass it.

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>>384264182
There is no such thing as a 2D metroid "fan"

The prime trilogy stomps every 2D metroid game that's not super metroid, discounting prime is discounting metroid. Period.

>>384263803
>Controlling the camera and the cursor with the same thing is a retarded idea
How so? It's how it works in any traditional FPS or TPS. They were just tethered a little more loosely here, and I honestly though that made the gameplay a lot more enjoyable and entertaining, as well as very interesting. I adapted to it very quickly and it was second nature by a half-hour in.

Still, I agree, the meme does need to die. People need to learn to be more flexible with control schemes so we can stop falsely determining good ones as bad and stop using the same old overly homogeneous twin stick plus shoulders, d-pad and face buttons scheme. That's holding gaming back so much.

I'll buy Prime 4 on launch, but I'm waiting for reviews on Samus Returns. As long as Sakamoto is at the helm the series might as well be dead.

>>384264450
Prime 1 is worthy but its two quicky sequels look like COD-tier levels of normie trash and I do not feel sorry for disregarding them.

>>384264715
Have you even played the sequels?
What do you even mean by quicky?
How is Echoes cod-tier normie trash?

>>384264715
Prime 2 took the series in a more linear, horror-oriented and combat-oriented direction. It's like Fusion in that regard, except not so revolutionary.

>finally get a new 2d metroid game
>it's a fucking remake
i will never not be mad about it but i'm going to buy it anyway because im a dumbass and hope that supporting this shitpile will lead to an actually new 2D metroid someday that isn't ruined by sakamoto

>>384263803
Controlling the camera with a second stick and the cursor with the stylus sounds awful. The camera works like a globe so you can swipe it and stop it immediately to turn very quickly and very precisely. The game gives you the option to centre the camera behind you with the R button but honestly it's unecessary and makes the game more awkward to control, you're better off just mastering controlling the camera with the touchscreen. Like I said, the controls aren't perfect but they're a lot better than many people make them out to be.

>MUH AM2R THOOOO!!
are metroid fans just pathetic poorfags who cant buy games?
I played AM2R it sucks ass

people said the same about federation force

>>384264847
My friend autistically spazzes about Prime to me all the time and from what he describes, the sequels seem to me to be linear and lazy (same boss room over and over? Really?) and used an old-hat concept that was new and interesting back when Link to the Past came out but nowadays just seems lazy. Also churning out two sequels using Prime's engine makes them seem less special, where Prime was built from scratch and translated Metroid 3D ingeniously.

>>384264863
Prime 2 was about as linear and combat-oriented as Prime 1 was, though. Even then, I don't think linearity alone is a particularly good determining factor for calling something COD-tier normie trash when Metroid has a history of linearity dating BEFORE Fusion (Metroid 2).

>>384265258
Prime 3 is definitely a letdown but Prime 2 is quite good. The boss fights and powerups are excellent this time around, but the difficulty curve is uneven and exploration is less fun.

>>384242460
Why on fucking earth is the special edition STILL not available on amazon?

>>384264903
From what we've seen, it's more than a remake, and the word used during Treehouse really does fit.

It's a re-imagining.

Basically, they're revisiting the Metroid 2 series of events yes, but they're retconning and reworking the journey through those events. The metroids still show up but the areas are different, the path is different, there's new factors, and so on, to the point that AM2R will somehow be a more faithful remake than MSR, which is an exciting concept to me that two remakes can be so different.

>>384265258
Your friend sounds cool and has right opinions.

>>384265070
You must elaborate, my friendo, because I'm playing it right now, and while at first I felt underwhelmed because at its core, Metroid II gets pretty repetitive pretty fast, AM2R opened up and became pretty engaging.

>>384264715
I could see how you can think this for prime 3 but please tell me how the fuck you relate echoes to CoD

Inb4 muh ammo

>>384264863
Prime 2 is as non-linear as prime 1/super in its level design, the only difference is it's not as interconnective between the areas (At least not till late game)

>>384256196
Is it available for 3DS owners? If not it's moot. I want all of my metroid games on the same system rather than trying to force my ass to get the other one. I have no problem paying for the, but I'll be damned if they think they can pump me for more money.

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>>384242460
>So now that this is coming out, you Metroid fans better damn well buy this. I don't care if you think your crap fangame is better. We're looking at a Fire Emblem emergency here. If you want this series to survive, you'd best start supporting it. And if you don't, you can kiss the Metroid series goodbye.

>>384263754
I personally have no issue with the lack of a map either. But I will admit that if you don't play the game in one or two sessions then it can be difficult to remember your progress and you're better off just restarting if you're coming back to the game after a long period of time. Although the game is short anyway so that's not much of an issue.

I'm glad that Samus Returns is like Zero Mission in that it's not a 1:1 remake and the maps are completely redesigned. AM2R kept a significant amount of the map design from the original while adding non-linear elements and that ended up making some of the backtracking tedious.since the original's map wasn't designed around backtracking.

>>384265870
Same. I meant 3DS because honestly, who really owns a WiiU? lol.

>>384242460
How about i'll buy it if I feel like playing it and for no other reason, and you and your threats about the death of the series can fuck off?

>>384265258
>same boss room over and over
I think you're talking about Metroid Prime: Hunters, which was a spin-off and very few people regard the single-player campaign as anything more than average in quality.

>and used an old-hat concept that was new and interesting back when Link to the Past came out but nowadays just seems lazy
The dark world, I'm guessing. Eh, it gets used so infrequently that I doubt you can really say it. And while the geography of many areas remains similar, how you actually progress through and interact with them ends up changing quite a bit as the game goes on. Ultimately I generally found that the reused assets weren't all that offensive because even if I vaguely recognized a general area it felt so very different.

>churning out two sequels using Prime's engine makes them seem less special
I'll never understand logic like this. Why does every game need to have a brand spanking new engine every time a sequel comes out?

Prime 2 and 3 had legitimate flaws but they were mostly in relation to being sequels to Prime 1, generally speaking there wasn't a whole lot that could be said to be actually bad about them when taken on their own.

>>384265816
>Prime 1
Fairly true, most of Prime 1's nonlinearity is in glitches.
>Super.
Not by a mile.

>>384266147
Super is more linear than you think, it's just really good at tricking you into thinking otherwise, like having separate rooms just for upgrades instead of having them integrated into the world (prime/prime 2 do this as well but at a far less frequency)

>>384264450
Prime has pretty shitty combat (even by Metroid standards). Prime 2 had better boss battles but the beam ammo addition was more annoying than interesting and the map design was a lot worse.

>>384266505
Super is less linear than YOU think. It's actually a bit too non-linear, even. There's so few restrictions that it's actually possible to accidentally get stuck in areas that are super difficult to make your way back out of if you're a newer player or don't have enough health.

Zero Mission had a great balance of linearity, non-linearity and sequence breaking. Fusion is too rigid, and Super is too loose.

>>384255506
I don't think you have ever played the game if you think that

I love how the Metroid fan base lacks self-awareness.

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>>384242460

I am getting it.

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>>384242460
Sorry gonna pirate it. Stay mad.

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>>384266505
git gud.

>>384242460
Nah, I'll buy Metroid games that actually look good. This on the other hand looks like total trash.

>>384266656
>There's so few restrictions that it's actually possible to accidentally get stuck in areas that are super difficult to make your way back out of if you're a newer player or don't have enough health.
The only people doing crazy shit like Norfair hell runs are people who already know the game inside out. I don't think anybody playing the game naturally is going to get themselves trapped.

>>384242460
>We're looking at a Fire Emblem emergency here
Wait so the series will completely shift tone and the only type of Metroid game?

Also you are completely ignoring Prime 4
Even if Samus returns doesn't sell well. PRime 4 could still do amazing to show that people are still interested in Metroid.

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>yfw the metroid amiibo is squishy

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>>384242460
already pre-ordered senpai

>>384266505
>Super is more linear than you think

You can fight the game's bosses in the reverse intended order. (All except the last boss, of course) You can get the gravity suit within minutes of starting the game, and it's not even that difficult to do. You can easily stumble upon reserve tanks and power bombs within minutes of starting the game.

There's nothing linear about Super. Not in the slightest degree, Anon.

>>384267496
That's almost as bad as saying
>GEE BATMAN, WHY DOES YOUR MOM LET YOU HAVE TWO SIDEKICKS?

>>384263954
>The gaming audience as a whole has had consistent issues with regards to new or unorthodox control schemes, making it especially difficult to tell whether the controls are actually bad or whether they're just too far off the beaten path for people to be particularly decent with.
You're just trying to dismiss the criticism as inexperience. It isn't a matter of getting the hang of soemthing; it's that the controls just aren't optimal to the point that even when you are good at them they still hamper the experience.

>But my impression is that Metroid Prime: Federation Force is the former, and Metroid Prime: Hunters and Kid Icarus: Uprising are the latter.
What? Fed Forces controls weren't even that unorthodox from what I remember.

>They weren't any worse than The World Ends With You's controls but they did have a similar issue of having to pay attention to multiple screens and use a nonstandard method of interaction rather than buttons and sticks.
The desyncs were frequent and while you can get the hang of it in railshooter sections, it just sucks in all range mode and walker segments.

>I fail to see the difference.
Cheese has charm to it, trying to hard just falls flat.

>I suppose the sun god dude was fairly hammy but, again, one mission.
Yeah, he's another example of what I'm talking about. The only time he made me laugh was a line that wasn't even hammy. When he got assimilated by the Aurum in his boss fight, sometimes when you attacked him he'd say "receiving pain" in a robotic monotone. Now that was amusing.

>>384264439
>Also holy shit finish Super. I m honestly think no 2D Metroid will surpass it.
Should I buy it on VC or wait for the SNES classic?

>>384267648
>There's nothing linear about Super.
The first 20 minutes.

>>384244279
>>384248026
Samefag
It's been proven antifanbase fags are way more obnoxious than any fanbase combined

You guys are autistic enough to think Zero Suit spamming represented the fanbase how pathetic

>>384266505
Sequence breaking in Super Metroid is mostly done through wall jumping, infinite bomb-jumping and shine sparking (i.e. optional techniques that were explicitly programmed into the game). The only arguable glitch that speedruns heavily rely on is mockballing (it's unconfirmed whether it was intentional, although it's only used to get early super missiles which are obtained pretty early in the game anyway). Super has an intended linear path that most players will follow but it's possible to stray from that with the game's normal moveset. Linearity/non-linearity has nothing to do with whether an item is its own room.

>>384264468
>How so? It's how it works in any traditional FPS or TPS.
The traditional shooter's camera moves with the cursor, while the cursor in KI moves freely around the screen but the camera won't change unless you do a quick swipe at the sides.

>Still, I agree, the meme does need to die
>proceeds to blame the player again

>>384264917
>Controlling the camera with a second stick and the cursor with the stylus sounds awful.
It'd sure be less haphazard than what we got instead.

>>384267689
>Wait for the SNES classic
If you wanna be a capitalist drone, then yeah. If there's other games you'd like on it then go for it. If you have a New 3DS however, go for it.

>>384267894
>constantly switching between holding a stylus to control the cursor and moving the right stick to control the camera
Unless you have three hands you can't possibly think this is an improvement.

>>384242460
Eat shit and die.

>>384266564
>prime has shit combat even by metroid standards

I'm not sure how actively dodging, beam management, multiphase bosses with new mechanics is worse than stand in place and unload missles

>>384268080
>If there's other games you'd like on it then go for it.
Well I love Super Mario World and DKC (although I already have both on VC), but I have never owned Yoshi's Isalnds before (only got to play it a few times at my cousin's when I was younger) and that's not available on VC, so there's that.

>>384268129
You can hold the the stylus in your hand while moving the camera you know? Or lean on the second thumb stick with your pinkie and ring fingers' knuckles.

the fan base is indeed shit, way too fragmented and each fragment is so stuck-up they'll bitch and moan about the fact that it either isn't a prime game or a 2d game when we got fucking both, i for one am looking forward to both of them

>>384268595
>Isalnds
Geez, I'm tired.

>>384256293
You're defending archaic game design that was forced by the limitations of the D-Pad.
You would have probably complained about the 8 directions shooting ruining the gunplay of Metroid 1 too.

>>384248153
While I'm fine with 2.5D, I honestly don't see why Nintendo didn't just go with sprites to save on development costs. Sakomoto literally said that indie metroidvanias are half the reason for SR's existence, so the devs must be aware that fans of these games wouldn't have a problem with true 2D.

>>384268595
Plus, it has Star Fox 2! I'd get it if I didn't already know I could get a repro cart of it at my local game shop.

>>384267689
>You're just trying to dismiss the criticism as inexperience.
That's not technically wrong, and yet it misses the point to say that. I am indeed dismissing criticism as inexperience, but it's because I genuinely believe that inexperience and unfamiliarity are the key factors here, followed closely by the fact that everyone will ultimately have different tastes, even in a world where a variety of control schemes exist some people will mesh with certain control styles less than others.

I won't say the control scheme doesn't have flaws, because that would be a lie and would be making it out to be something it's not. But ultimately I think that you and others that call the control scheme bad outright are so... stockholm syndromed by standard control schemes that you can't find within yourselves to actually give alternatives a fair shake. It's like Monster Hunter fans still to this day claiming that the fucking Claw was better than anything the 3DS had.

Ultimately I found that the controls for KI:U were the most optional that they possibly could have been; if KI:U only had bolted camera-cursor controls like Metroid Prime: Hunters or any other standard FPS/TPS, or if it had CPP support, those would genuinely be lesser than what we got in terms of accuracy and responsiveness. The only thing that could possibly even compare to the stylus control scheme would probably be an atari-style roller ball, something I genuinely wish I could see in modern vidya controllers, especially for shooters. Maybe the Steam Controller touchpad in place of a right stick.

>Fed Forces controls weren't even that unorthodox
They weren't unorthodox but they were clunky and unresponsive as hell - that's just the problem. Any shooter using a right stick control scheme is gonna be shit by default.

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Who here ITT actually played Metroid II back when it came out? Post yfw this plays: http://youtu.be/BAcBNWD5lOo

>>384267894
I'm not blaming the player, I'm citing the player as the source of the contention. Again, they are very different statements. There can and are factors relating to people that are completely outside of anyone's control, and taste and mental compatibility are among them. You don't have to be dumb or unskilled or inexperienced to just not get along with control schemes, just the same as not laughing at one person's jokes doesn't mean you don't have a sense of humour.

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Never have I preorder a game that fast in my entire life.

>>384268595
This is literally Monster Hunter Claw logic and it's absurdly retarded.

>>384248126
>>releases Samus Returns
>>it's on a five year old handheld even though there's a brand new one now
>>low resolution
>>gotta leave processing power room open for a 3D effect no one wants
>>No one buys it
>>"Obviously people still don't want Metroid!"
3DS is a good console and everyone who has tried it say the 3D effect is good.

>>384268732
There's a reason Megaman games as late as ZX Advent still only let you shoot horizontally.

>>384268867
>most optional
Most optimal. God damn it.

>This game looks like shit
>I'm not gonna buy a shit game
>That's why I didn't buy Other M
>I just don't want to buy shit games but good ones
If they are gonna release shit games the franchise better be dead

>>384262635
I have no qualms with the zero suit. It's tactfully designed as a jumpsuit underneath the powersuit. All jumpsuits in any medium of sci-fi show off your figure, and samus as a bounty hunter has a figure. It didn't get really bad until the showcase trailer of brawl, where they had samus go from a competent character in melee into a eye-candy useless whore character whose design would make absolute no sense if implemented into a metroid game. Of course the normies ate it all up and the demand for more refeminized samus resulted in other M. Smash ruined Metroid

>>384269263
Your post contradicts itself. Just because a game looks like shit (aesthetically) doesn't mean it is a shit game (gameplay-wise).

>>384242460
Of course, I plan to buy this so Metroid 5 can come next on the 3DS in 2019. I hope in-between those times Nintendo adds the Game Boy Advance Virtual Console on the New 3DS XL so Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission can be added and then my collection will be completed.

>>384244279

For the people unaware, "worst Nintendo fanbases" are usually coined because their games got panned by everybody, so Nintendo shills target the fans and paint them as the problem in this shit attempt to divide and conquer.

Before Other M there wasnt this divide between primefags and other parts of the fanbase.

Just like Smash. This shit attempt to muck up history started at Brawl. Everyone, casual players included called it out for being a bad game so Nintendo shills pinned the blame on tourneyfag boogeymen. As long as Nintendo keeps making shit sequels and people call them out for it, this will continue to happen. Its the Nintendo cycle.

I dont have to be a Metroid fan to tell you a remake is not an apology. Samus Returns is just there to keep us busy till Prime 4. Thats what a real apology looks like.

>>384268293
You just lock on and shoot. Most bosses/enemies only require one type of beam to kill them (Metroid Prime being the only exception that comes to mind). and it's extremely obvious what beam you need to use. While the charge beam combos were a neat idea, they were all useless aside from the super missile since they wasted so many missiles and they were pretty much all acquired near the end of the game. The final Metroid Prime battle was the only time I found any use for them. And the only movement you are required to do during combat is side-dashing and jumping over telegraphed attacks (again, whilst staying locked on to your target). The 2D games usually required you to pay more attention to your positioning in order to dodge attacks, even if you just had to pump them with missiles.

>>384244279
>why they I only pirated the game.
>why I only pirated the game
>I
SIGMUUUUUUUUUUUNND!!!

>>384244279
>The Metroid fan base has proven time and again that they are the worst fan base by far
/v/ isn't the Metroid fanbase just like they're not the Halo fanbase, so it's best not to ever take their opinions into count.

>>384269480
Yes there was. There's always been since the first one.

Don't revise history to suit you and pretend 3-d metroid was something universally accepted. You damn fucking know well that's never been true.

>>384244514
Yes and I'll get this and skip Prime 4 the same way I skipped every Prime game after the first one.

>>384269670
>Don't revise history to suit you and pretend 3-d metroid was something universally accepted. You damn fucking know well that's never been true.
You're revising history. The Metroid fanbase was far more fond of Prime than it was fond of Fusion back in 2001.

>>384258282
While it may be canon to the 2D Metroid games, it's a completely different series from 2D Metroid.

>>384269750
*2002.

>>384269750
Prime vs Super has been a long going thing man. It's natural since a lot of the metroid fanbase was introduced to Metroid via Metroid Prime. It's natural since the gameplay was altered fairly significantly from the 2D versions so people introduced with one or the other would have their own preferences.

Was Prime liked by the fanbase in general? Yeah. But the was always that divide. There was ALWAYS that divide. It's just rarely at the forefront when a game first comes out.

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>>384269480
>Everyone, casual players included called it out for being a bad game so Nintendo shills pinned the blame on tourneyfag boogeymen.
Lol no, tourneyfags were the ones crying about because it wasn't Melee 2.0.

>>384269338
I don't play Smash so thanks for the refresher. I think you can trace the beginnings of it in Super and Zero Mission, but of course people would flock to a hyper-sexualized image of an already-attractive female character. Smash is trash.

>>384248153
>waited 13 years a 2D Metroid game
>you denounce it because of a poor man's FPS
You should just kill yourself

>>384242460

maybe if it was a real game and not on a handheld i don't even own

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i'm going to pirate it :3

>>384248778
>>384248845
Then go play sprite shit you dumb faggots

>>384269480
When Super came out, plenty of people didn't like it because it was easy and could be finished in one rental. When Prime came out, plenty of people didn't like how sluggish it was or how limited your perspective was compared to a 2D game. When Fusion came out, plenty of people didn't like the handholding. When Prime 2 came out, plenty of people didn't like the light/dark world mechanic or the beam ammunition. When Zero Mission came out, plenty of people didn't like the stealth segment. When Prime 3 came out, plenty of people didn't like the more linear focus or their being multiple planets as opposed to one sprawling world.

Metroid games have always had mixed reception from fans, even if the critical reception has been widely positive most of the time. If you think Other M was a turning point then you're simply underage.

>>384270026

There were comparisons and light trolling but it was never vindictive. Its no different than a friend busting your balls for laughs.

Maybe I should have elaborated. No one actually hated each other like they do now. The whole fanbase was chill as fuck.

>>384270026
You're missing the point. There were splits within the fanbase, but 2D vs 3D is a new phenomenon. Fusion was far more controversial - linear vs nonlinear was the original break in the Metroid community.

>>384254214
>I'm a Metroid fans guys I swear
Kill yourself you desperate waifu trash.

>>384242460
Got my Legacy Edition pre-ordered as well as both the Metroid and Samus amiibos.

I got your back, senpai.

>there are still false-flaggers and retarded fanboys trying to start shitposting fights over 2D vs 3D

How about you faggots enjoy both of them like I do?

>>384270042

Everyone shitted on brawl for tripping and being floaty as shit. Also just because people knocked the mechanics doesnt make them tourneyfags.

>>384257828
No, Samus is still in the suit, and the game still plays like 2D Metroid, so Zero Suit didn't ruin a thing.

>>384258461
This

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>>384270481
I've owned and played every game in the series except MP Hunters and MP Pinball. I also have both standard and zero suit Samus Amiibos. On top of that, I have a glass cup that has the Screw Attack logo on it. I'm probably the Number 1 biggest Metroid fan.

>>384270371
I doubt anyone really hates each other even now, it's just that 4chan, and /v/ especially, have a culture of really overplaying and overexaggerating everything. I mean it's important to note that everyone in the metroid fanbase except for those with shit taste hated Metroid: Other M - if they can put aside their differences to agree on that, then they can't really HATE each other that much.

>>384270375
Are you alright? Your sense of time seems to be skewed.

Fusion and Prime were released ON THE SAME DAY.

Both divisions existed at the same time. I might concede that the nonlinearity was a much bigger issue at the start though, but to make it out like 2D vs 3D is "new" is disingenuous.

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>>384242460
>be a brainless fanboy that companies can always depend on and therefore don't have to be concerned about pleasing and giving them what they want
>buy games regardless of quality and why you like the games to begin with
How does someone so cancerous manage to exist much less rationalize themselves as anything other than an idiot ruining a series?How about this, if the game is good and it appeals to you you buy it?
Fucking fanboys are cancer, supporting things irrespective of quality and whether or not a series is even the same thing you got into it to begin with.

>>384270853
If you don't have a giant Samus built out of lego you are nowhere near being the Number 1 biggest Metroid fan.

>>384270324

If youre implying that the other games got shitted on to the same severity that Other M did, just collect the 10 cents for your post and clock out already. This is a losing argument.

>>384268768
It's cool that they're doing that but honestly the damage done to the Star Fox franchise by not releasing back in 1995 can't be undone.

>>384268867
>I am indeed dismissing criticism as inexperience, but it's because I genuinely believe that inexperience and unfamiliarity are the key factors here,
But it's not. It's easy to dodge instead of dash due to the design of the thumbpad, and making the camera and cursor share the stylus leads to a lot of sudden imprecise camera turns that go too far in the direction you wanted.

>But ultimately I think that you and others that call the control scheme bad outright are so... stockholm syndromed by standard control schemes that you can't find within yourselves to actually give alternatives a fair shake.
So really, everyone who called it out is wrong and just "doesn't get" it, even if spend at least thirty hours on the game? This sounds like Miyamoto telling people they just didn't get Star Fox Zero all over again.

>They weren't unorthodox but they were clunky and unresponsive as hell - that's just the problem. Any shooter using a right stick control scheme is gonna be shit by default.
I didn't run into any major hiccups because of the controls in Fed Force (the game was crummy for other reasons though) from what I remember. I don't know how you can even say a less awkward control scheme is worse.

>>384269081
>I'm not blaming the player, I'm citing the player as the source of the contention. Again, they are very different statements. There can and are factors relating to people that are completely outside of anyone's control, and taste and mental compatibility are among them.
So like I said, you're blaming the player, because clearly there's no such thing as bad controls in any way.

>>384270880
>Both divisions existed at the same time.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't remember anyone in the few Metroid fansites from that time period complaining about Prime. Everyone on e.g. M2K2 was upset about Fusion. Prime-bashing didn't come into its own until later.

>>384242460
>We're looking at a Fire Emblem emergency here.
So either Metroid dies and we get no more games or Metroid dies but the games keep coming?

>>384270686
>for tripping
Basically a meme. Rarely happens enough to make it worth the fuss that it had.

>and being floaty as shit
Only Meleefags cried about everyone not being made of lead.

>>384270692
>>384270853
>Fap fap fap lmao

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>>384270853
lol, nerd.

>>384270880

With time the rift between 2D and 3D became a non-issue because both designs can coexist. Although I think of this as a recent truce because Metroid fans were starved for games in general and would take anything.

>>384270670
Now that's just not going to work Anon. First of all, you need to start saying that AM2R is either total shit or the best thing that's ever happened to the franchise. The rest will just come naturally.