So why aren't people buying games with very positive reviews?

>>384234038
>Do you really have to spend millions and billions on marketing to convince normies that they want to play your game?
Yes.
Individuals are smart, populations are retarded. And as soon as you enter social space you go full sheepmode that why most good stuff through history has been discovered by anti-socials and slowly shared from anti-social to anti-social one at a time until enough people liked it that sheeple couldn't continue ignoring it.

>yet another walking simulator

No thanks

>>384234239
By that time Farm51 will go out of business. There must be another way.

>>384234038
please tell me this is not actually your game OP because if so you posted this thread about a month ago with the same topic.

>>384234516
I see autists from /v/ never leave their posts.

Buying your game so I can review it negatively and refund.
Have a nice day faggot.

>>384234586
I'll take that as a yes then but it was a simple question op so there was no need to be rude about it.

>>384234239

>this is what aspy undesirables actually believe

>>384234619
Can anyone have any meaningful discussion on /v/ on any topic anymore? Fucking Nintendo shills.

Watched GB's quick look. The game looks boring.

Let's see why I won't buy this game

>>384234767
Chinese moot ate most of my post
Anyway,
>30 bucks for an indie game I've never heard of and probably wouldn't play for more than 10 hours
>mystery
>FPS
>psychological horror
Don't even need to think about looking at reviews to stay far away from this shit

>>384234750
>GB
Who?

Also, the game being boring has nothing to do with sales. Millions of people bought No Man's Sky.

>>384234874
*Millions of people refunded No Man's Sky.

>>384234848
>Don't even need to think about looking at reviews to stay far away from this shit
That's why you will always play shit. Reading user reviews is the key to finding good games.

Making the protagonist of a game female automatically gives it positive reviews.

>>384234874
Well that's AAA for you
>find some genre or gameplay mechanic casuals will like because they're too stupid to know otherwise (currently, that's usually open world collectathons)
>market the fuck out of the game, promising INFINITE POSSIBILITIES MAKE YOUR OWN STORY
>don't give a fuck whether you deliver on any of it
>$$$

>>384234672
What genuinelly good thing became popular instantly without multi-million dollar marketing shills?
Even photography, movies, vinyl and the internet had to be shilled by autists to other autists. People at large don't care or are effectively afraid of experimentation.

>>384234946
How much are Farmm51 paying you for this shit mate? Or are you doing it for free like a good little cuckie?

Anything less than 85% positive on Steam is almost certainly trash, unless it is difficult and people are rating down for the difficultly.

>>384234946
Naw man, I use reviews to gauge whether games that pique my interest are worth buying. Get Even fails at that first hurdle
Would you read the reviews of a multiplayer craftin zombie survival sandbox game?
Also,
>ever reading positive reviews at all

Shouldn't have arbitrarily delayed it FAGGOT. Now my schedule is full so I'll be waiting for a sale.

>>384234038
Yes. Witcher 3 has to spend 3/4th of its whole budget to become successful.

>>384235032
Nothing. I invested in them and that's why I care. I care about most polish game dev companies and I believe Farm wasn't treated fairly by the market.

>>384234038


Game is actually pretty good so far.

>>384235262
>he does it for free
lol

>>384235201
So there is no hope for gaming.
How do even people get to know about new games if they use Adblock and don't read cancer "game journalist" websites? How much does a paid shill get paid on /v/?

>>384235414
10 cents for a 100-1000 posts desu, poo in loo, pinoyshitters and other thirdworlders.

>>384235414
friends
/v/
recommended games
games related to the ones I like
specials
new releases

>>384234038
>implying i would buy indie trash ever

>>384235507
my friends don't play video games
other channels are based on money

>>384235568
You bought Shovel Knight and was proud of your purchase.

>>384235635
voices in your head don't count as friends bro,

>>384235414
If your game is unique enough, you don't need marketing as people will get interested as they see others talking about it.
If you make yet another game in a common genre like your game is, you need marketing so people give it a shot among hundreds of similar games.

>>384235679
better then buying this trash shill

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>>384234038

Check out these games coming out soon

http://store.steampowered.com/app/666140/My_Time_At_Portia/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/580200/Yonder_The_Cloud_Catcher_Chronicles/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/598700/The_Vagrant/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/677180/Pantropy/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/451020/Battle_Chasers_Nightwar/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/535480/Sundered/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/571310/SteamWorld_Dig_2/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/573110/AWAY/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/603700/The_Low_Road/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/393520/Iconoclasts/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/404680/Hob/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/593150/Ooblets/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/644930/They_Are_Billions/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/530950/Tower_57/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/618970/Outcast__Second_Contact/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/606150/Moonlighter/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/553420/TUNIC/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/649950/Ashen/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/600080/Unto_The_End/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/471010/Seven_The_Days_Long_Gone/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/447290/Redeemer/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/464060/RUINER/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/371140/Aegis_Defenders/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/253230/A_Hat_in_Time/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/482400/System_Shock/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/350050/EITR/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/590970/Hollow/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/356650/Deaths_Gambit/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/312200/Chasm/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/596970/Sunless_Skies/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/382560/Hot_Lava/

from the name and the picture
it looks like another shit the last of us or beyond whatever was called
no thank you , no worth watching a vid neither

>>384234038
The game is fucking shit

http://store.steampowered.com/app/274500/Brigador_UpArmored_Edition/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/352720/The_Universim/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/421170/Indivisible/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/268910/Cuphead/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/505230/Pathologic/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/487720/Agony/

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>>384235731
>If your game is unique enough, you don't need marketing as people will get interested as they see others talking about it.

That's a lie. At some point you leave highschool and people stop talking to you about games unless they aren't adults but mere children in adult bodies.

>>384235940
>pathologic
didn't know they'd set up a steam page yet

>>384234038
I bought it, then refunded :^) get fucked polish shills

>>384235925
How can you tell?

>>384235990
You fucking talked about niche indie games in high school? Did you just turn 18?

>>384235990
I work for a logging company, bunch of chainsaw toting guys in their late 30s and they still talk about video games

>>384234038
>Because that type of games only appeal to a small audience
>Because players want more than 6 hours of game time for their money

because no marketing. I bought get even off some dude on craigslist for $15 who probably stole it but that doesn't matter to me. It's a great game but very... plain. The story is unique enough but everything about the gunplay to the exploration and detective elements are ripped right the fuck out of condemned 1. It's interesting.

And yes, normies are the market games are developed for. If you want to make a game you have to be aware of what your market is. Unless you have an extreme niche to market to, you'll fail without marketing to the nth degree.

>>384235017
Appetite for Destriction

>>384236028
Bought it and it was boring, refunded

>>384236050
not him but I was talking about cave story and braid and flash games with friends in high school. I put that cave story PSP port on everyone's PSPs in school and I was the coolest dude in the pimple-faced nerd crowd.

But yeah, it's not that unlikely. 2007 was like the absolute peak of indie game's popularity.

>>384236072
Sad!

>>384235940
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/274500/Brigador_UpArmored_Edition/

Wow, the devs of that game finally got their act together and produced a banner that isn't repulsive, only took them like 5 or so tries

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>>384235769
>Iconoclasts
>coming out soon

>>384234038
>Do you really have to spend millions and billions on marketing to convince normies that they want to play your game?
Are you retarded or what? That's the reason why marketing exists. If you don't even bother giving away review copies, let alone advertise your game, what else do you expect? I didn't even know the game existed before Gggmanlives review, and it only got 30k views, which is more than most of the other popular ones, COMBINED. You can't be expecting your sales skyrocket just based on one instrument.

>>384236130
I don't know what that is. Guns and Roses?

>>384236274
>3 millions views
>3000 copies sold

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQwMTSFf9yU

Something stinks in here.

>>384234038
You again?
FFS, OP.
Get over it.
Most indies never hit it big.
Your corner gun gimmick isn't good enough to be the next minecraft or undertale

>>384234038
i buy games im interested in. i have multiple games i play and enjoy that have bad reviews. make a game i am interested in and i will buy it. reviews are only worth my time to figure out if it includes mechanics i like or dislike.

also put your game on sale always because otherwise its pretty much impossible for it to ever show up. ive missed so many games because steam is absolute shit when it comes to finding hidden gems

>>384236404
>he still does get it
couple of months out and hes still crying about this shit, fucking lol. I bet Farm51 doesn't even know who you are much less even care about your lame ass efforts at shilling.

>>384236278
Yes. I typoed because I suck. But it was the first album. They were nobody before it dropped, and the label was not anticipating for it to sell as much as it did. GnR literally became a global phenomenon overnight.

It is also one of the greatest rock albums of all time. I'm not even particular to GnR, but every song on that album is quality music.

>>384236404
I can't stand FPS games that look like indie trash, would be different if there was anything interesting about it, but no, looks like any other indie shooter

>>384236438
It's a me, Mario!
I'll come back whenever I feel like calling gamers degenerate fucks.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/526370/SUPER_KINKY/

>>384236485
Can please fuck off? Thanks.

>>384236491
>GnR literally became a global phenomenon overnight
Never heard if them until 10 years later shen it was spammed by some radio station.

>>384236404

Well, yeah. People are finding out that YouTuber views≠sales. Turns out 99% of viewers would rather just watch the video than they are to be interested in the game in the video.

Normalfags arent buying it because you didnt spend 50million on marketing alone.

"Core" gamers, or whatever the fags in suits call them, wont buy it because the fact its single player means they can wait for it to go on sale or end up in a bundle. They can wait because said sales and bundles gave them large backlogs to deal with.

The market for games is fucked on all sides.

>>384236628
Then you had to have been living under a rock. Who you heard of does not refute the documentation of GnR exploding the week of Apettite's release. The tour was already planned to help sell the album, but after only a week of release, it sat on #1 for about a month. Honestly, the fact you didn't hear about it proves my point. It wasn't heavily shilled.

Critics and shills even generally shot it down, blaming the "sex, drugs, and rock and roll" taboo was what sold the album, not the music. It has since become one of the world's highest selling albums ever.

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>Black - an ice-cold mercenary and hired gun - awakes in a mysterious old asylum with no memory of his past.

>>384234038

I pirated your shit game and deleted it after 30 minutes. Fuck off.

>>384237009
I don't live in Murrica and Axel is insane, in a bad way

>>384234619
if you refund it the review will be removed

>>384237049
That's what you get for not using Denuvo on your products. Never more.

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>>384236404
>>384236650
Nothing stinks - ecelebs don't help sell games

>>384237078
Of course Axel is insane. No one said he wasn't. That still isn't the point. It also has nothing to do with you being American. It has a global reach, and has had it since shortly after it dropped without the use of shills or multi-million dollar marketing, and the music on the album is good.

>>384237127

>sterile as fuck amateur cubick environment
>narrative driven "gameplay"
>bad voice acting
>2deep4me story

People won't buy it cause it's neither interesting or fun. Denuvo would mean that people won't even try, they can refund anyway.

>>384237234
>It has a global reach
Apparently not

>>384236650
The only time this ever seems to be an issue is with horror games, nobody wants to play these things, they just want to see people's reactions to the game.
Stuff like Playerunknown's Battleground and Rocket League are good examples games that were not only popular on twitch but people actually wanted to go out and buy them, watching someone play them wasn't as interesting as doing it yourself.
Turns out gameplay is a nice feature to have.

>>384234038
Nobody fucking wants to play a walking simulator unless it's actually mildly interesting, which means it has to be either incredibly surreal and memorable like LSD Dream Emulator or scary and entertaining like Layers of Fear.

literally anything else and it just falls apart at the seams and nobody wants to touch it.

>>384237295
Your refusal to acknowledge something the rest of the world knows about does not mean it doesn't exist or that it does not have global reach.

Whether your the same Anon or not, he asked for something good that became immediately popular without the use of a large marketing budget. I provided an answer. Your individual tastes and disconnection from society do not change history, Anon.

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>>384237251
I get it now. You guys don't like deep games because you are all plebs. All you want are booze, boobs and large guns.

>£25 for 7 hours of walking simulator
>Could just watch it on YouTube and get a similar experience


Who the fuck makes these games trying to make money

It's FUCKING trash just stop

>>384234874
No Man's Sky also had at least a hundred million in marketing poured into it by Sony.

>>384237327
I think Angry Joe Vargas should review this game.

>>384234946
There's loads of legitimately fucking terrible, bottom of the barrel for their genre games that get positive user reviews.

All reviews are fucking worthless because the gaming public at large is retarded.

cornergun is an awesome concept. That they give it to you then punish you for killing literally ANYONE is retarded.

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You guys should have added a scary monster

Also whenever I hear "narrative driven gameplay", all I hear is "we were too cheap to make character models that talk to you, so we'll give you memories or a radio or audio logs"

>>384234672
>aspy undesirables

>Newton
>Hooke
>Einstein
>80%+ of mathematicians

If not for "aspy undesirables" we wouldn't even have reached the industrial revolution and would still know nothing about the world around us right now.

>>384237406
>Layers of Fear
It was shit and you only like it because AngryJoe liked it

>>384237716
Why arent you running your bot?

>>384234436
This holy shit, I was so disappointed. They almost fooled me by giving you guns at the beginning but it devolves into a boring walking simulator real fast. Uninstalled after half an hour.

>>384237472
>Your refusal to acknowledge something the rest of the world knows about does not mean it doesn't exist

That's exactly what it means. There is no world outside of my brain.

>>384237473

Yes, but not any type of boobs, anime boobs. Change the character design into anime tiddies and your game will be an instant success around here.

>>384235262
If you really invested in them you should be getting paid so, which one is it? Are you lying or are they committing fraud?

>>384237784
It was at the very least entertaining, more like a haunted house roller coaster than a boring ass walking simulator. Something was always happening and the atmosphere was actually good.

Compare with something like Everybody's Gone to The Rapture, which is a candidate for worst game of the entire decade and the number one example of why walking simulators are a shit genre for pretentious assholes who don't want to put effort into anything.

>>384237843
VtMB, SIN, Timesplitters, and Witcher are popular here as well, there are western tiddies that work. Just not many.

>>384237621
The game got positive reviews from your velived game journalists and critics. How does one convince people like you that something is objectively good?

The description doesn't even say what kind of game it is.

>>384237473

I want actual games with gameplay not "deep" walking simulator with maps a 5 year old can make.

>>384237916
I said ALL reviews, not just user reviews are garbage.

I watch gameplay videos, usually GB's quick looks, and decide based on that whether it looks decent or not. In the case of walking simulators one could skip the whole genre and never miss anything even remotely worthwhile, they are down there with mobile games as the bottom of the industry gutter pit of shit.

>>384234038
Market saturation

It's becoming even worse on Steam and changing the whole getting your game onto the store hasn't helped, there's still shitloads of asset flips, copy pasted games and "early access" scams which burns out consumers. You can have an absolute diamond of a game but if it's in the middle of a turd sandwich, your average consumer isn't gonna want to take a bite.

Which is why marketing is important, let customers know that there is a diamond and they worry less about the shit sandwich.

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>>384237920
Should I get this game?

>>384238093
>Should I get Serious Sam 3?
Are you Serious?

>>384238031
Who the fuck is GB?

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>>384238093
Or should I get this game?

>>384238086
So fuck PC and focus on PS4?

>>384236503
It is not. It's an indie walking simulator with shitty stealth, puzzles and shooting tacked on (can't decide which one is worse). At first it presents itself as something in the vein of Condemned, but those gimmicks (the investigation tools and a gun on a selfie stick that shoots to the sides) are abandoned after the first twist.

Convince me to play that game, OP. For the record, i'm normally not interested in indie games, i tried Cave Story and dropped it, i paid 1 dollar for a puzzle indie game named The Swapper and i liked it, not too much, but i want to complete it.

>>384238160
Giant Bomb
they do 25-1:30 minute long looks at most games that come out, great way to gauge interest in a game as well as try to find something new and interesting.

Also an easy fucking way to skip over shitty walking simulators.

>>384238182
How is this different from Dark Souls?

You fags refuse to buy the game because it depicts women getting hurt.

>>384238272
I don't play games in which males get hurt.

>>384238201
>So fuck PC and focus on PS4?

Not really, the PSN store also has a bunch of shit games that somehow gets past Sony.

There's no point focusing on one platform and relying solely on that to generate interest in your game. That only works when you have MARKETING to make flashy adverts and slap on "Xbone exclusive(and windows 10)"

>>384238239
>they do 25-1:30 minute long
What a fucking waste of time
Watch some hindu explaining you how computers work instead

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Why do walking sim developers think we want to walk around shitty looking environments at a turgid pace?

Take a note from Myst you losers.

Instead of copying what's good (classic point and clicks), you copy whats bad (walking sims like Dear Esther and Gone Homo)

>>384238445
Walking simulators should take notes from Mirrors Edge desu.

The world would be a better place if The Chinese Room never existed.

>>384237784
He made fun of it and mocked it's attempts at being scary.

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>>384238445
Why walk when you can ride?

>>384238508
>every walking simulator needs press space to automatically perform an epic parkour maneuver
Fuck off

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>>384238508
>I'm gonna run around at sonic speeds while finding out my sister is dead but also a ghost (but maybe i was the sister all along???)

Choose the gameplay that works for your story

>>384238615
Also if Telltale games didn't exist

>>384238445
The newest Myst was complete garbage though. Everything past the first one is.

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>>384238870
>he doesn't like 2-4
You should be thrown into star fissure.

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Because people realize user reviews are fucking stupid

>positive reviews are always people with 2 hours game time posting some shit meme
>negative reviews are always people with 1000+ hours reviewbombing in some type of moral crusade, with their review usually saying "I really wanted to like this game"

You guys are lying. GB said that the game is ok.

https://youtu.be/1zaGUwbm3EI

someone post spoilers for the game

>>384239408
You do realize you don't have to read every single review and rage at it, right? Positive reviews are pretty pointless, but for negative reviews there's always dozens or hundreds of well-written ones outlining the pros and cons of the game

Learn how ratings work
Steamspy.com

>>384239408
>pirate the game
>it's shit
>can't review it

>game looks like shit and only idiots buy it
>full of good reviews written by idiots because everyone else stayed away

That last one is why user reviews will never be a substitute for dedicated reviewers. Would you trust user reviews for a boy band or a hipster indie film? A 10/10 from those people is meaningless to everybody else.

>>384239756
Fucking pick the reviews that suit your standards then. "Muh professional reviewers" or even worse, "muh youtubers" don't have some magical review-creating process, they just play games and give their dumb opinion, same as anyone else
There is literally not a single game on Steam that does not have a well-written negative review you can use to inform your purchasing decision

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>Trusting reviews
>Ever

Pic related has a mixed rating on Steam and I avoided it for the longest time. Then I got it for a dollar in a Humble Bundle and got to finally play it. Guess what? I liked it a lot and NuXcomfags lied to me

>>384234038
Nearly all games on steam have positive or very positive reviews and 99,99% of them are trash.
The best way to buy good games on Steam is to buy japanese games.

>>384239913
Except I've read plenty of negative reviews that were relatively well written and sounded reasonable and turned out to be ridiculous nitpicking or misinformation. People who didn't read a tutorial, people who are biased for reasons unrelated to the game in question, people who suck at the game and blame their shortcomings on big words like "level design" or "balance", etc.

>>384240049
Same here. I wouldn't say I liked it a lot but it was good enough that I ended up competing it twice.

>>384240785
gee, it's almost like a review blaming "level design" instead of being specific is badly written you fucking retard

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>>384240785
Pretty much played all of the squad based TPSes out there including Binary Domain and Spec Ops. The Bureau is the best since Freedom Fighters.

How about buying the game and refunding it if you haven't liked it?

>>384234038
Fuck off, ya dirty Polacks.

>>384241028
I don't know what's stupider; your inability to understand how to use steam reviews to your advantage, or the fact that you like a knockoff mass effect

>Steam game has mixed reviews
>read the negative ones
>they are all bitching about technical problems
>every other review praises it to high heaven
>finally try it
>it was actually a shit game all along
Why does this keep happening?

>>384241183

what game

>>384234038
Steam reviews alone amount to nothing since your game will be drowned out anyways between thousands of others

>>384237079
I've seen many reviews claiming they were refunding it after they had posted them. Is this a new thing?

>>384241183
Because pinpointing issues is harder than just confirming your gut feeling so people end up grasping for the flaws on the surface instead.

>>384241174
Mass Effect plays like shit and has lousy squad command controls. The only good parts are the dialogue and story.

>>384241227
Nier Automata

>>384236491
The Use Your Illusion albums are superior to AFD

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>>384234038
>why don't you buy my game

nice try

>>384241379
I've literally done this to Killing Floor 2 and the Baldur's Gate Tranny Expansion Pack and a few other games.

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80% positive reviews isn't that good.
Steam Spy's Score rank is a more useful metric.

A value of 80% positive reviews puts it at the 46th percentile of games. That probably accurately represents the quality of the game. (But it's still inflated because people who don't like walking simulators simply do not buy it)

>>384241405
Sure, and Bureau is a pale knockoff that is worse in every single way

>>384237473
I want games. You know, the blinky stuff on the screen with gameplay? Where I can fucking do fun shit and have fun. If I wanted a good story, then I'd read a fucking book (and I do, regularly, you should try that as well!). Now get back to your indie game studio.

>>384240049
Yeah this got shit on way too hard for what it was.

>>384241958
How is it worse? Unless I want to play co-op in ME3, none of the ME games did nothing as well as the Bureau (I'd say the ME had a good story, but then ME3 happened). The controls are still janky as fuck in ME3.

It's on the fly map system is one of the best I've seen since Brothers in Arms Road to Hill 30, but controlling your units in the grid is like butter.