Since Japs are so fixated on the west why do they only focus

Because a lot of them grew up with D&D/LotR so medieval ages are more interesting to them.

>>384230673
Because they're not obsessed with the west, they're obsessed with the european middle ages.

>>384230856
Sooooo...the west? Mainly the Anglo west?

>>384230673
Out of interest, what was Japan like in the middle ages? I picture Samurai but I actually have no idea what period those are from

>>384230673
Oh shit, the only good part of that game.

>>384231067
They were Samurai. Nobody really bothered the Japanese so they were left alone to kill one another, Mongol horde tried to invade but a freak storm and Tsunami sank their fleets and the samurai mopped up any stragglers that washed ashore.

>>384231134
now that reminded me why is there no fucking good Roman/Greek game at all? Something that's not top down rts snoozefest?

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>>384230673
>setting sets in the middle ages
>has either western kingdoms or Arab sultanates
>also the occasional Vikings
Why does everyone ignore the Byzantine Empire which was also the continuation of Greco-Roman civilization of its time?

>>384231443
Not as cool as their western counterpart in my opinion, also that aesthetic armor and color palette cannot compare to beautiful Roman red and polished steel plate.

>>384231626
The western counterpart fell in an instant unlike the eastern part, also why do people always associate the western part with Rome pre-split when the eastern part was just as Roman?

Because Japs only like a few countries.

1. USA
2. UK
3. France
4. Italy
5. Finland
6. Brazil
7. Mexico
8. Germany I guess

Not in any particular order. But any other countries don't particularly interest them.

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>>384231443
Reminder that this was an actual Christian European city that existed through the so-called "Dark Ages"

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>>384232126
posting more Greco-Roman architecture in Byzantium because they make my dick hard

>>384230913
just medieval fantasy both high and low, if you played the games you would notice they don't really care for the historical relevance or culture

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>>384231067
look up sengoku jidai it pretty cool

>>384230752
>Because a lot of them grew up with D&D/LotR so medieval ages are more interesting to them.
It was mostly Wizardry.

>>384231932
They fell because sacks of shit murdered the potential God Emperor Caesar and nobody but fucking weak, degenerate idiots were elected as Emperor one after the other. Also there was no nationalistic pride in upkeeping the armies of native, loyal Romans and so fucking foreigner Merc's who were of the same ancestry of the savages who stormed the gates of Rome. Anyway it's not like the Byzantines were any better because 800 years later they toppled over too from Kababs that still infest Constantinople as "Istanbul".
>>384231987
>Italy
Great, so Jap' s should know this is the country in Europe where the Roman Empire originated right?

>>384231209
I think there was a few white guys back then whose boats ended up in japan somehow and they worked for the emperors and never left again.

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>>384231932
>also why do people always associate the western part with Rome pre-split when the eastern part was just as Roman?
Probably because it was the most developed and reflects what we think of when we think of 'rome.
Syria was rich sure but it didn't look roman, same with egypt.


Also the nips are obsessed with napoleonic continental europe.
How many anime and manga (from the 90s) feature everyone in 18th century military attire and hilarious stand ins for real countries in some political plot.

>>384230673
Greece and rome are kind of lame.

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>>384232474

>>384232529
Your a retarded faggot if you honestly think this unironically.

>>384231067
Japanese history is quite interesting simply because of how different it developed from others. Look up the Sengoku period and you get to see how a country isolated from the rest of the world kept afloat.

>>384230673
俺達が好きなのは"ドラゴンクエスト"の世界観だよ。ヨーロッパの世界で〜とかそんなのは特に意識してないぞ。

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>>384232484
>Probably because it was the most developed
What are you talking about, the only developed part about it was Italy, the rest of its provinces were backwater places. The eastern Roman part had Greece, Anatolia, the Levant and especially Egypt which were all prosperous places before the Romans conquered them

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>>384232652

>>384232592
They're lame dude. Tell me right now to my face that the medieval aesthetic isn't 10x as good.

Let's do a quick rundown: Roman armour, kinda gay, medieval wins. Roman weapons, faggy little gladius and pilum medieval wins, Roman tactics, ram them with your infantry, medieval tactics wins.

>>384232126
truly a holy city

>>384232401
Sure. They rank it as the 2nd greatest Empire behind British. It's just that USA, France and Britain had a lot to do with cultural influence when they got involved with Japan. Italy loves anime. Japan has idealised views of France which are often ruined by actually going there, so much so there is an emergency phoneline in the Japanese embassy to try and deal with Japs having breakdowns over how bad France, especially Paris, is. I dunno what they like about UK, probably to do with big Empire, origins of English and cultural shit like music and sports.

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>>384232703

>>384231209
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>>384232594
Sengoku didn't start until the very late/end of the middle ages though.

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>>384232753

>>384232652
But that's what I mean when you think of the roman period you think of the legions fighting the gauls in densely wooded forests, while the rich senators plot in rome.
You don't really think of regional goveners squatting in some else's old palace while life goes on pretty much the same as before the romans showed up.

Also we have a 'perception' of ancient greece, so showing greece during roman times would confuse normies.

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>>384232718
after the restoration Japan modeled itself heavily after Britain, it was often framed in the western media as mother england raising up the most capable savages of the 'lesser races'.
As they considered asains to be a step up from blacks and japan's rapid modernisation meant they would be harder to cuck then the chinese.

>>384232708
>Roman tactics, ram them with your infantry
>he doesn't know that middle and late Roman warfare relied heavily on cavalry
dum fuk, read more Roman history

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But the best action game based on Rome was made by Japs.

>>384233106
No thanks. It's boring as fuck. Rome was the worst total war and rome is the worst era.

>>384233106
He's most likely a retarded eternal Anglo that doesn't understand and appreciate the Roman genius that went into their weaponry and tactics.

>>384233179
that's, like, your opinion, amice

>>384231932
Because the Byzantines were greek through and through.

>>384233061
I'm pretty sure Japan modelled after Britain re it's railway system. It also modelled it's navy. It modelled it's army over the Germans (ruined by a retarded weapon designer, sadly... or goodly depending on your view). It did it's industry based on the Americans. It did it's art on France and Italy I think.

I know Britain had a manifest desinty to rise up the 'savages' and it worked. But sadly the world shits on the British for doing so, forgetting they built railways, docks, factories, ports, roads, hospitals, universities, schools, police stations, fire stations, libraries, churches (and allowed out religions to stay), canals and farms. But that's BAD.. For.. Erm. Some reason.

But I don't know that much about Japan. All I know is lots of their anime is set around France.

>>384232403
The original weebs

>>384233146
Fun fact: Dead Rising started out as a sequel to this game.

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>>384232856
Ok but yet again you also had the emperors who also lead battles against their enemies. So Rome is much more broad than just the republic.

>Also we have a 'perception' of ancient greece, so showing greece during roman times would confuse normies.
If by Greece during Roman times you mean the Byzantine Empire there's two reasons for that:
>1. After the ERE's fall, many people in the west had a disdain for them and trashtalked it while some others tried to delegitimise it as Rome to push their own entities (HRE)
>2. In modern times, when people talk about the middle ages they think about the dark ages in Europe and blame Christianity as the cause for that while the ERE is ignored. The thing is that the "dark ages" only just affected western Europe and that can be attributed to the fall of the WRE.

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>>384233272
nice meme

>>384233249
Yep. The topic asked my why I think Japan ignores rome and I gave my opinion. Why would you make a game about roman when medieval aesthetic exists. You'd just be choosing the inferior option.

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>>384233395
Makes sense. Shadow of Rome and Dead Rising feels so alike to play.

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>>384233146
Hell yeah, this man what's up

Daily Reminder that in 1918, Constantinople was Christian Clay for a short period of time, captured by the Christian Armies of Britain. Sadly, United States of America wanted to roleplay as Romans more (despite 3rd Rome never falling) and demanded Constantinople was given back to the now disbanding Ottoman Empire. All because they didn't want Constantinople Christian again.

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>>384233342
Is it really mostly based off France? I thought it's mostly on western stuff, like the meme anime with loli female satan and slutty angels. Or how a majority of their video games are a weird western fantasy medieval world. Really strange that they obsess with this certain era of Europe yet Ancient Rome and Greece which are their own worlds are seemingly non-existent to them.

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>>384233691

>>384233679
>pretending that the British are deeply Christian and how they'd defend Christendom
>after the Crimean War

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>>384233146

>the AI co-op statue gladiator missions

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>>384233679
(((Who))) could it have been I wonder...

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>>384233784
The brits hated catholics and viewed them as heretics

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>>384233736
I just think there are more animes with French settings than anywhere else. Japan is probably first, then I dunno. The only anime I can remember recently set in UK is Princess Principle and it's alt-history steampunk universe James Bond with 14 year old girls.

I dunno, I don't know much about anime, just my opinion really.

>>384233586
Thank god they didn't have half of DR being forced to play as a weak ass little shit who has to sneak past zombies or die in one hit

>>384233871
You think that means the protestant filth would be beat buddies to orthodox? Well to be honest this fracture of Christianity is the reason why Constantanople and eastern Rome fell to the Kababs in the first place.

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>>384233871
After Henry VIII I don't think the Brits have any right to say who's heretic and who isn't

>>384233871
No they didn't. Britain passed laws saying you couldn't do shit about what religion you followed. Protestant, Anglican and Catholicism were the main religions in Britain. Remember at the time Britain = 25% of the planet. Lots of different religions involved.

Either way, Constantinople was captured by Britain and occupied and many wanted it restored as a Christian city but USA didn't allow it. Said it'd start another war.

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>>384233965
Henry VIII was English, not British. Britain didn't exist until the Union of Scotland in 1707. Britain had Protestants, Anglicans, Catholics (Ireland was entirely British), Sikhs, Muslims, Confucianism along with various other minor African and South American religions; plus the Caribbean ones.

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>>384234116
that's all

>>384234145
don't know much about British history but isn't England still the leading country of Britain?

>>384234284
It's the largest part of Britain at the moment, yes. If you want to be anal and consider all the countries that the Queen of England is Head of State of, that would make Canada the largest part of the country. Followed by Australia.

>>384231315
Shadows of Rome

>>384234360

Wait, what is thing with the british crown? isn't she the ruler of many countries? Why aren't they part of the kingdom as well?

>>384234858
The Queen is the legal Head of State of 16 countries. Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, The Bahamas, Tuvalu and the United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom includes the Oversea Territories which are Anguilla, Bermuda, British Antarctic Territory (not internationally recognised, sadly), British Indian Ocean Territory (know as Diego Garcia which is rented by the USA), British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and Turks and Caicos Islands.

They are part of the crown, they just have Queen mandated governments to control them. As in, they're not Republics. Assumption is when the Queen dies they will all become Republics.

>>384236118

Yes, but why keep the institution of the crown when its basically nothing? Don't want to come off as arrogant, but the queen doesn't act like Head of state, its just the PM most of the time, I don't think I remember the queen appearing on news. On that statement of they all turning into republics, they basically are one anyway.

In addition, my question is why they are "part of the crown" as opposed to legal extentions of the UK as well? As in parts of the federal union of the UK?

I don't really know much about UK or its crown's history, so my apologies if I am coming off as dumb.

>>384236761
They're not a republic. That's not how the system works in the UK. The Queen is head of a Constitutional Monarchy. She exists essentially to prevent dictatorships. Since she has legal powers to disband the government, claim any land in those countries I made (which technically makes her the richest and most powerful person on the planet) and the police force and army swear oaths of loyalty to her, not the government. So if somehow the government started doing completely obviously bad shit, she can send in the army and disband the government. In terms of how she's Head of State? After every election the elected Prime Minister has to ASK to form a government. She has the right to go 'no'. Furthermore, when they declared war on Iraq and Afghanistan (the latter starting the Fourth Anglo-Afghan War as it's recorded) the government had to ask the Queen and the Queen had to formerly declare war.

Other states around the world have figure heads, like Spain or Japan. Technically the longest lasting Empire ever is Japan as the Emperor still exists there and the Empire of Japan has existed for 1200 years.

The Queen does a speech every year in the UK explaining what she hopes or wants to achieve. The countries aren't republics as their governmental system has Prime Ministers and Parliaments. Not Presidents.

>>384231067
Samurai as you know them were really a 16th century thing, and they had the biggest boner for guns you wouldn't believe. They made more guns on that island when they were introduced to them than all of Europe combined.

In the middle ages things were very different. Shield and spear was the prominent weapon until horse archery took over which is the point they replace shields with sode (shoulderpads basically). During the middle ages there was a lot of conquering the north from barbarians and general fucking about until one of the military clans managed to get enough power together to basically become the government.

>>384232753
You can tell where Islam got it's idea for Mosque's from

>>384237143
No shit, the Kababs stole the Hagia Sophia after befalling Constntanople, renaming it "Istanbul" and placing their disgusting sandnigger towers beside it and calling it a mosque. Should be a crime to let them continue to infest rightful Christian clay like the roaches they are.

>>384233679
You know Britain allied with the Muslim Arabs right?

This whole idea that Britain/USA etc were fighting against Islam in WW1 is bullshit revisionist history from both sides, the Ottomans were seen as just another European power at the time & allied with Germany/Austria

>>384233342
>forgetting they built railways, docks, factories, ports, roads, hospitals, universities, schools, police stations, fire stations, libraries, churches (and allowed out religions to stay), canals and farms. But that's BAD.. For.. Erm. Some reason.

most of that didn't happen after the 17th century. Early colonialism can be argued to maybe have had positive effects (though everyone was kinda doing okay on the trade front). But by the time railroads and large infrastructure was getting built colonies were nothing but resource extraction posts, not trade hubs, there were massive demonstrations to prevent any jobs that could be done by people from the home countries being done by natives so any railway operators were contractors from the home country, etc.

Just a random decent source you can read through.

http://trace.tennessee.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=utk_chanhonoproj

>>384233679
>implying the brits wanted it

The only people that wanted it were the Russians and they left the war.

>>384237515
If the USSR took control over Turkey that would have been even worse

I mean sure a lot of Muslims would have got roasted by the Commies, but Hagia Sophia & others would have likely been destroyed

>>384232396
There was lots of D&D too. Records of Lodoss War was based on a D&D session from what I remember.

>>384237714
Because Saint Basil's Cathedral doesn't exist. Lenin intentionally kept it going and turned it into a museum (and kept practices going) there were a couple of plans considered after he died but it never really got close to happening.

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>>384237515
>The only people that wanted it were the Russians
You're serious right?

japs are such western worshipping cucks

they have this platform to promote eastern culture and history yet they kowtow to western crap. their games are blatantly suffering because of this dumbing down as well

>>384238043
>Greece

No one had any intention to give it to Greece when a major power was eyeing it and the megali idea was a fucking meme.

>>384238148
>when a major power was eyeing it
who was eyeing it, no one else had any actual interest in it except Greece and Turkey

>>384238148
Not him, but Greece came pretty fucking close to realising the megali idea meme during the greco turkish war. If it wasn't for excess ambition and nearly all of the western powers including the USSR backing the young Turks in the war with supplies and munitions, the map would look very different now, and Greece would then have a justifiable claim to Constantinople.

>>384238287
Russia have wanted it for centuries. They would have taken it during the Crimean war if everyone didn't think "wait a minute... I don't think we actually want russia to own the entire middle east"

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>>384231987
>not Spain

>>384238360
They only got as close as they did because of the Turkish massacres.

>>384238427
Russia by that point devolved into the USSR and any claim it had to Constantinople went to the gutter.

>>384238480
Only because they left the war. The Entente had every intention of letting them have it still if they had stayed in.

>>384238468
what are you talking about

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>>384232708
Medieval armours, weapons and tactics all evolved from roman ones. Even feudalism and knights are a roman idea.

>>384231987
I will never understand why Japan cares about Finland so much

>>384237714
You're completely delusional if you really believe Russians would touch the holy grail of the Orthodox Chruch.

It's like claiming the US would level Vatican and build a supermarket in its place if given the choice.

>>384238527
Source?

>>384238530
The massacres of Greeks in turkey were half the reason the Entente gave so many concessions to Greece.

>>384238573
Communists like Joseph Stalin saw Religion as a threat to the state. You'd bet your ass they'd tear down Byzantine monuments and set up the hideous Soviet, totalitarian buildings on top.

>>384238570
Same melancholic mindset

>>384238570
Were just so damn good ebin :DDD

>>384238621
They offered it to both provisional governments and wanted to keep the Russians in the war. When they left the war of course they weren't gonna get shit.

>>384231987
>5. Finland
>6. Brazil
>7. Mexico
wtf why those in particular?

>>384238649
East Thrace and Smyrna are hardly many provinces, they could've even gotten Cyprus if they joined the war right at the beginning but the pro-German king didn't let them.

>>384238676
So why are all the iconic russian cathedrals and churches still around?

There were many elements of the soviets who just wanted to make them into buildings for the public good which is why saint basil's cathedral became a museum. You really think they wouldn't have just done the same to the Hagia Sophia?

This wasn't like Mao who was actively trying to root out the idea of dynastic monarchy that had endured for 2000 years. The soviets had no intention of going that far. Impressive architecture is perfectly understandable by the workers too so it fits into the soc-realism doctrine of art.

>>384238764
Finland is a random choice, I believe Brazil has the second or third largest population of japs outside of Japan and who the fuck doesn't love Mexico?

>>384238649
The concessions were given because Greece was next to the disintegrating Ottoman Empire, which was on the losing side. Promises were made during the war, and they were kept afterwards, as it always happens.

But you do realise that a war started right after WW1 between Turkey and Greece, right? Not a diplomatic war, an actual war with battles and everything. Greeks went on an onslaught after landing on Smyrna to establish their newly gained territory, but then waged all out war with the Turks as far as Ankara. They got btfo in the end for numerous reasons, western support to Turks, internal political fiascoes (putting venizelos out of power), and greedily conquering territory beyond what their armed forces could muster.

>>384238850
They were given several regions of turkey for 5 years with the guarantee that they could run a referenda on them becoming part of Greece when that 5 year period ended.

>>384238891
I'm aware, but the deamnd for reperations for the massacre of greeks was a driving force for entene leaders. France had a laundry list of things it wanted that it didn't get. Everyone had a list of things they didn't get.

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>>384233691
These are really great images, may I ask the source?

>>384237037

Sorry for a late answer, but about the oath thing, is it legit? in the sense that armies of the crown are actually loyal? Don't take it the bad way, just curious.

Thanks for the prievous answers btw.

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>>384238985
http://www.antoine-helbert.com/fr/portfolio/annexe-work/byzance-architecture.html

>>384238970
Sure, what I'm is that the concessions made were only immediately accessible to the Greeks anyway, and had significant Greek minorities in them. Simply because the eastern mediterranean was not significantly involved in WW1 like Central Europe was, concessions are made and kept very smoothly between winning and losing countries. Who else would've kept Smyrna, France or Britain? It wouldn't work.

But my point is that in the end those concessions didn't matter because the Greeks started a war to gain territory beyond what was given to them. Therefore the agreed upon concessions hardly warrant discussions since they didn't make any difference in the end, as war between gr and tr was inevitable.

>>384239316
They would have just let the Turks keep them and gotten further concessions elsewhere. Maybe not territorial ones.

>>384231987
>I guess
Wtf is your problem, faggot?

>>384230673
>sword of damaclese
>a gladius
>laughingnoblewomen

>>384239359
It wouldn't matter, because the Turks were on the losing side and the Greeks were going to go to war eventually, that's what the megali idea was all about, it wasn't just a nationalistic meme, venizelos wanted war. The concessions were just a decent opportunity, nothing more. The Greeks would go to war regardless and nobody would bat an eye since the Ottomans were breaking down and everyone wanted a piece. Not to mention allegiance mattered little in the end considering most western powers backed the Turks anyway.

>>384239427
>Gladius
>not a sword
What? Those oversized clunky pieces of Anglo shit and 1000 folded steel katana aren't the only swords in the world anon.

>>384231987
Yeeaa see the history they have with the portuguese that still lasts until this day, Japs really like them