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Was he really the "bad guy"?

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Was he really the "bad guy"?
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>>384223760
Yes. Did you play the game?
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>>384223760
Trying to crash a giant magic meteor into the planet to suck up all of its energy makes you a bad guy.
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>>384223760
well he clearly lost his shit but he's not entirely to blame.
jenova plays a huge part as does hojo/shinra
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Jenova was.
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>>384223760

Sephiroth went a little crazy upon learning he was a science experiment. Deciding to go along with it, he takes Jenova's head and gets his ass thrown into the lifestream.

Sephiroth as a man then ceases to exist, his conciousness recreates his body up north with the head. Hojo discovers this and ultimately helps him out because he wants to see what would happen
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>>384223760
If we could figure out that Lucrecia was his real mother why couldn't he? Is Sephiroth stupid?
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>Played the game when I was a kid and enjoyed it for the most part, not really understanding the story
>Play the game again being much older with the Steam release
>Realize how stupid and nonsensically the story really is
>Still sees people defending this game as being the GOAT while shitting on FFVIII's and FFIX's story

The PS1 era FF games are so fucking bad in terms of story. I can't really give people too much shit about it though since those 3 games were the first JRPG they ever touched and have no measure of standards.
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>>384224189
Only vincent knew, Hojo hid the secret.
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>>384224683
Keep parroting that decade old meme.
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>>384223760
He was a good boi, he dindu nuffin

Seriously though, i always thought Sephiroth just went crazy after he "found" out about his origins, but after that it was all Jenova, i don't think Sephiroth wanted to destroy the world, probably just destroy Shinra, he could have easily became part of Avalanche funny enough
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>>384225829
Nah, sephi is acting THROUGH jenova and not the other way around. That's why he's the final boss and jenova.
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>>384223760

He killed Cloud's mother, so even aside from anything else, he had to die.
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>>384223760

he was both a victim and a perpetrator. what he had suffered did not justify what he did.
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>>384224189

He was already dead, traveling the Lifestream, when he would've found out. Too late then, time to become a god.
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>>384223760
No. He was the meat condom of the bad guy
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>>384223760
you were fighting jenova the whole time in ff7. so no he wasn't THE bad guy.
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Why didn't sephiroth learn the truth about jenova and his mother while he was in the lifestream?
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>>384226552
why not both?
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>>384224683
but 8 was worse
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>>384223760
What did you GAIN from discarding your honor?
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>>384226993
Did he burn down the town before or after JENOVA? I don't remember.
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>>384227876
After learning about Jenova in the mansion but before ever having been in direct contact with Jenova or the lifestream.
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>>384224683
Play it with the translation patch.
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>>384227260
Because its thematically unfitting, isn't what the devs say, isn't what Hojo says, and is fucking retarded?
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>>384227525
Too bright a shine draws eyes of envy.
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>>384223760
he's just a host for Jenova
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>>384229757
Jenova literally became mama's boy's puppet.
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>>384223760
No, it was his alien mom momicking for 90% of the game.
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>>384229627
honestly Square's "canon" ruins FFVII's story. I prefer the ambiguity of the sepiroth/jenova symbiosis, rather than Sepiroth being a grade A edgelord.
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>>384229816
Sephiroth is just a man.
Jenova is literally confirmed for being a shapeshifting, meat puppet machine.
You take this information, and what outcome do you reach?
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>>384229979
Sephiroth is half Jenova spp., half human and traveled the lifestream. His will is stronger than Jenova's.
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>tfw the first time jenovas theme starts playing
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>>384229917
It was never ambiguous if you read the text boxes as they appeared in the game.

Hojo
"I thought the clones would begin to gather at Midgar where
Jenova is stored."
"But my predictions were not entirely correct. Jenova itself
began to move away from the Shinra Building."

(The scene fades in to show the materia tree. Cloud stands upside down on
one of the roots, by the huge blue stone in the center.)

Hojo
"But being a genius that I am, I soon figured it out. You see it
was all Sephiroth's doing."
"Sephiroth is not just content to diffuse his will into the
Lifestream; he wants to maniplate the Clones himself."

(The room seems to darken and Cloud sits down on the root, defying
gravity. He crosses his arms on his knees.)

"Yes, that was how it got started."

(The room lightens.)

Hojo
"I wondered where the clones were going, but I was never able to
figure it out."

(Darkens.)

"I couldn't figure it out, either."

(Lightens.)

Hojo
"The one thing that I did know was that Sephiroth was at their
final destinations."

(Darkens.)

"I wasn't pursuing Sephiroth."

(Cloud shakes his head.)

"I was being summoned by Sephiroth."
"All the anger and hatred I bore him made it impossible for me to
ever forget him. That and what he gave me."

TL:DR: Sephiroth is the embodiment of Jenova now. All parts of Jenova bend to his will. Cloud and the body at Shin-Ra HQ were both summoned to the crater by fucking Sephiroth. The entire game's focus is on the will of Sephiroth being so thick, veiny, and throbbing as to refuse even death as the main character suffers from the opposite - weak constitution and confidence - and how the latter overcomes the former. This theme even has a LITERAL manifestation of itself at the end of the game where Cloud and Sephiroth have a battle of wills in the lifestream and Cloud finally overcomes.
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He really didn't do much, he burned down a town, he killed Aeris and that's it. You chase him all the way to that crater and kill him before he can do whatever with the metorite. The real villian is Shinra.
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>>384224683
FF9 has good writing.
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>>384224683
It's funny because 7 and 6 are more or less the only ones that make complete sense and the ones you picked are completely pants on head
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>>384231127
And good asses.
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>>384223760
he was just a puppet
Jenova was the one pulling the strings
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>>384231159
How is 9 pants on head retarded?

Goku and Vegeta come to Earth, Vegeta gets buttmad and then death shows up. It's pretty simple.
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>>384231270
the jenova cells inside of him may have sparked the crazy in him but after the initial snap it was all sephiroth in charge anon he overpowered jenovas will and made it bend to his own to accomplish what he wanted
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Down in the Sunken Gelnika at level 95 right now. Mastering Knights of the Round and other dank materia before heading off to Savagely beat Emerald and Ruby Weapons.

Leave Sephiroth to me.
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>>384231437
you cant really steamroll the weapons with levels
especially emerald since it will just shit out 1111 damage on you for each materia you have equipped
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>>384231363
>It's pretty simple.

Don't get me wrong, I like 9 a lot in spite of its godawful clusterfuck of a plot, but man it is anything but simple.
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>>384231437
make sure to bring the spider webs
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>>384231552
>>384231621

True. But I've got all the tools I can get to deal with them. Been years since I did that last though. It's pretty cool.
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>>384230609
That doesn't prove anything when Sephiroth and Jenova have completely melded. Where Sepiroth started and Jenova ended was always ambiguous.
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>>384229754
Is his shadow all that you see?
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>>384231725
>being this fucking retarded
Nah you right. Shit's mad confusing yo. Aint no nigga got time to piece that puzzle together. Peace dawg.
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>>384223760

He wanted to become an energy god by walking in the foot steps of his intergalactic alien parasite mother and sucking the life out of the planet by smashing a meteor into it, endangering every life on the planet as a result.
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>>384223760
Well he wasn't a GOOD bad guy.
>hurr alien cells make me go crazy
>now i am the planet or something
>here ill summon a space rock that moves at a glacial pace and do some minor property damage and do a murder or three
>also i killed a snake

Majority of other FF villains have him outclassed in some way.
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>>384231826
>remake sephiroth gets a fedora
perfect
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>>384223760
No.
>But muh environmentalism!
Can't apotheosis without breaking some eggs.
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>>384231825
Sepiroth had his mind degraded by Jenova.
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>>384231967
Yet in Dissidia, Sephiroth is the only character that gets a different quote from Shantotto. "I may actually have to try this time" while others are basically told to fuck off.
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>>384232386
Not canon.
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>>384232386
That's hot!
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>>384232619
How else does a person go from sane to mass murderer in an instant, we also know that Jenova has corrupted before, its not much of a stretch to say that Jenova affected Sephiroths mental state.
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>>384232579
I blame Nomura for painting him as this all-powerful fucker in everything post VII.
I have no problem believing that Shantotto could waste him, though.
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>>384232801
Shantotto is a beast. No one can dare oppose her. Her saying she has to actually try against Sephiroth really says alot.
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>>384231725
They don't "meld". Sephiroth died. That is the end of his story. Sephiroth didn't come back to life; Sephiroth didn't become some sort of chimera. No, he died, plain and simple. Sephiroth was an inanimate chunk of meat, bone, connective tissue, ect. shaped like a human with no higher functioning. As dead, if not deader than Aeris/th. As dead as Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge.

Jenova shaped some of its biomass and detailed it to look like Sephiroth. This is not Sephiroth, it is Jenova. This is not even Sephiroth's body, it is reshaped Jenovan biomass. "Sephiroth" is in fact a chunk of Jenova that is performing errands across the globe to suit the needs of Jenova. There are several possible reasons as to why Jenova would do this, the simplest one being that people would believe it easily, and not think too heavily about their opponent being an inhuman planetary parasite that wants to blow up this husk of a world and return to space.
To return to point, there is no "Sephiroth" part of the equation. Thus, Sephiroths Will is also not part of the equation. There can be no will of Sephiroth if there is no Sephiroth.

Sephiroth cannot fly, he is a human. Sephiroth cannot grow wings, he is a human. Sephiroth cannot move through walls, he is human. Sephiroth can no more transform into a pile of feathers than Barret or Yuffie can. Do you know what CAN shapeshift? Jenova.

What has changed things is the fanfiction-tier writing of the "expanded" FFVll universe. Square-Enix had 2 problems.
Fujoshits weren't getting wet about the interplanetary parasitic mastermind, those panties were dampened by the thought of Cloud and Sephiroth angsting at each other, then having buttsex.
This expanded universe also had the problem that, as written, it would make no sense for Sephiroth to show up as a totally epic boss fight in other games if he was as dead as he was.
The answer? Rewrite some stuff so CloudxSephiroth is canon and Sephiroth can show up for crossovers.
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>>384232749
He was always fine with killing, always questioned his place in the world, and was always emotionally cold and removed from people. Learning he was a test tube monster was not the instant he became fine with murder and devalued life. It was the moment the leash his upbringing gave him snapped.

Jenova exerts will over people it contacts with its virus. Sephiroth was born with Jenova cells. He is an iteration of Jenova. When referring to "who is in control" we are talking about whose will dominated the other. The game unequivocally states this is Sephiroth. As do the devs later in Ultimania.

You are retarded.
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>>384227176
Jenova was being controlled by Sephiroth though.
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>>384232749
When they are entirely replaced by a parasite that wants only to slurp the yummy cream filling of the planet out with a crazy straw.
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>>384233273
Sephiroth's will persisted in the lifestream because he's not fully human. Jesus do you fuckers even pay attention to this shit or do you just wait for the bright colors from the limit breaks and spiffy magic to splash on the screen to string you along to the end? It's a crucial plot point that Sephiroth getting access to the lifestream is why literally everything in the game is fucking happening. Jesus Christ I can't believe this site is riddled with more retards than fucking Gamefaqs circa 2000.
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>>384233275
When did I say that Jenova was in control, Jenova isn't even conscious. I'm just saying that Jenova made sephiroth go slightly crazy. Which led to him burning nibelheim then taking control of Jenova.
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>>384233273
>he is a human
No he isn't, he's a Jenova-human hybrid.
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>>384233273
So you literally forgot about Sephiroth being literally frozen in the northern crater and later restored by his mommy?
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It's funny how much of a bro Sephiroth was before he went crazy.
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>>384233275
so sephirot is like liquid from mgs
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>>384233536
so then the sephiroth we saw earlier was an illusion? what happened to the clone? became his missing legs?
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>>384223760
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>>384223760
Just because your Mom is a space monster doesn't mean you need to do space monster stuff
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>>384234015
all the clones/jenova cells that were part of the reunion fused with Sephiroth and transformed him into the bosses you fight

that's the point of the reunion
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>>384234015
Does Sephiroth clones an Jenova literally using Sephiroth's shape ring a bell?
I hope you are pretending to be retarded.
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>>384234206
so the first sephiroth we saw making a mess was a clone who took his shape, and after cloud gave the black materia, Sephiroth the real one with all the clones and cells waited for cloud and his team to fight them with his weird forms. So supposedly you also beat the weapons before or after, i think they were thrown but never mentioned again except on Dirge of Cerberus which barely anyone played
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What the fuck was her problem?
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So were the incarnations of Sephiroth you encounter prior to the endgame just those robed mooks, getting to bear Sephiroth's will and identity because they carried those parts of Jenova you end up fighting? Who even were those people to begin with, anyway?
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>>384234557
She needed a BBC to become exclusively breeding material and stop her planet eating gluttony.
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>>384234557
It was hungry, hombre.
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>>384234557
Jenova was the meteor that crashed on earth, Jenova was an evil alien when everybody believed she was one of the Ancient/Cetra. She wanted to destroy the world
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>>384234626
No, it was literally Jenova. When shit goes down at Shinra HQ, it's Jenova breaking out and heading to the crater. You follow because you're called as well.
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i don't know if crisis core did retcon FF7 or added pointless details prior FF7
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>>384234809
A lot of those changes might as well be retconned themselves now that anything related to Gackt's involvement is retroactively rendered null due to legal issues
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How was lvl 1 Cloud able to pretty much own lvl 50 Sephiroth with everything maxed?

He fucking took a sword to the chest, bonked Sephiroth against a wall full force and pretty much killed him by throwing him in the life stream.
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>>384234693
so she was basically lavos from chrono trigger that is also it from stephen king
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>>384234968
Ganked him from behind and then tard raged through the rest of the fight. Even a pro can be caught off guard by that kind of insanity, and Cloud was a legitimately tough dude that survived shit on Mt Nibel.
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>>384234968
Surprise attack.
>Standard argument about what RPG stats are actually abstractions of
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>>384234557
She got ahead of herself
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>>384234969
Kind of like a hybrid between Lavos and The Thing.
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>>384223760
Honestly neither the official story of him becoming Jenova's master nor the theory of him being subjugated and impersonated by Jenova make him particularly interesting. It would totally be cool if Sephiroth and Jenova had become a merged consciousness of sorts, though.
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>>384234894
Gackt was involved in this game? was he the voice of genesis? I know he made a song for Dirge of Cerberus, which was appropriated since the entire game was edgy deviantart tier fanfic

>>384234969
yeah, wanting to feed on the lifestream. People don't seem to comprehend that aliens exists in the FF7 universe because they are too busy focusing on CloudxSephiroth
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>>384234632
Would you?
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>>384235086
>Ahead of herself
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>>384234968
Cloud had the pre-emptive strike materia, remember?
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>>384234152
Here's a better question. Who would win?
>Allmight has done no excess hero work today. He has about 3 hours.
>Sephiroth has found Jenova and taken a weekend spa in the lifestream
>Supernova does not actually destroy the solar system, it is a psychological attack that deals % damage
>Allmight is here alone, and doesn't have Midoria to inspire him
Go
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crisis core deserves a re-release/port
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hisashiburi dana, Kuroudo

DUN DUN DUN DUN
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was Dirge of Cerberus after AC or before AC? Because the ending wouldn't make sense if it was after AC
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>>384235198
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How would be go about classifying Sephiroth? Like, he's not entirely human since he was basically injected with Jenova cells since conception. How much would her cells override? Is he 2/3 human, or maybe even less?
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the big question that everybody should ask is how Cloud rode his motorcycle to the Forgotten Capital and back to Midgar in the Advent Children movie.
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>>384235516
99% human with some supercharging. Genome soldier-tier.
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>>384235552
Underwater materia
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>>384235552
he drove it super really fast
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Zack is the true hero of FF7

>First class SOLDIER
>Got lv50 Sephiroth down to one hitpoint so that lv1 Cloud could finish him off
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>>384235135
also:
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
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>>384235697
Away with your Crisis Core canon. Zack got fucking shrekt like the bitch he is and then got shot to death by a handful of generic shinra grunts.
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>>384235552
They built a wall
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>>384235552
Cloud learnt a secret passage after he took Tifa to Bone Village
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>>384235697
>Literally killed by the first enemies you fight in FFVll
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>>384235697
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>>384235792
>Zack got fucking shrekt like the bitch he is
He did 99% of the work

>then got shot to death by a handful of generic shinra grunts.
He got shot after fighting off an entire army of Shinra soldiers all coming at him at once
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>>384235180
He was the voice and his likeness was officially licensed, although his image is a muse for so much of Nomura's work, it's kinda hard to tell.
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>>384235391
15 year old me (13 years ago?) Flipped the shit out from that
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>>384230467

Not the guy you are replying to but I would side with him more than what you are saying. Yes for story and character sake it does seem all grand and dandy that Sephiroth is back and yadayadayada but realistically Jenova is the type of entity that has most likely been in control since the very beginning using Sephiroth as a puppet to accomplish her goals. Perhaps she herself lacks the capability to utilize Materia because she isn't native to this planet, Sephiroth being half and half would be capable of this.
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>>384231127
Like most FFs, it starts out good and then just keeps getting worse as things start getting explained and become a huge mess and those interesting characters you liked just suddenly stop being developed and are ignored for the rest of the story.
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>>384235697

>Zack is the true hero of FF7

I fucking hate this statement. I really liked VII's Zack. And I still can't dislike the terrible CC Zack, because he's so ridiculously likable. But this true hero of VII shit? Utter garbage. Genesis was a minor localized event, which was soon to solve itself. The protagonists of BC, VII and DoC (plus AC I guess) dealt with much larger problems.

Zack, a hero? Yes, saving Cloud and Genesis was great (and it would've been okay, even if he had failed to do so, but tried), but it was only personal heroism, not true hero of the setting material. It doesn't change even if he's the third most "good" person around after a street smart prostitute and a rich, naive and idiotic Turk kid.
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>>384230609
This. The game outright tells you it was Sephiroth.
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>>384238109
Hojo also outright lies and tells half-truths in that scene, not to mention his outrageous bias towards Sephiroth as his super specimen.
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>>384238502
>Hojo also outright lies and tells half-truths in that scene
Such as?
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>>384223760
No, Jenova was.
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why is his haircut so fucking stupid

seriously who looked at that haircut and said "yep we want this in our game"
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>>384238797
Pretty much everything about Cloud's background
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>>384238914
Not sure what Cloud's background has to do with the discussion at hand, but Hojo never lied about him. Cloud was a Sephiroth clone and Hojo predicted that all the clones (including Cloud) would gather at the reunion which is exactly what happened. He got the location wrong, but that doesn't mean he lied.
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>>384223760
>let's overanalyze this nostalgia game and pretend the story was deep as fuck with all the theories which attempt to make up for the several plotholes and retcons!
Stop. Square makes shit stories aimed at angry emo teens, their writers are on the same wavelength. You don't have to read into it further.
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>>384239584
>Chrono Trigger.png
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>>384239584
>stop having an actual video game discussion about what writers might have thought at the time before the whole thing became a retconfest fanwank!
>c-come to my political "What are some games where..." and bbc "What might she have meant by this?" threads instead! now THAT'S board culture!
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>>384230467
Sephiroth overpowered Jenova's will, but at the same time, Jenova had pretty much completely corrupted Sephiroth by the time this occurs, making the issue of who's "in control" rather moot.
Sephiroth before Nibelheim never had any fantasies about becoming a god or ruling the planet. From all appearances, he was just a standard stoic warrior. It was encountering Jenova that caused him to go crazy and genocidal.
The being that reforms at the Northern Crater is definitely Sephiroth though. The fact that he's constantly tormenting Cloud is proof of that. The normal Jenova would realistically pay Cloud no more attention than any of the other clones. Sephiroth specifically tries to screw with Cloud. He tries to make him kill Aerith, than mocks him after she's dead, and he's constantly badgering Cloud about his fake past too.

Ultimately, Sephiroth was designed to be the best of both worlds. The root cause of most of the game's problems is the space alien Jenova. But since it's rather difficult to write a personal conflict between Cloud and an alien overlord, Sephiroth is made to essentially act as a proxy. With his motivations effectively rewritten to match Jenova's he can plausibly have goals of taking over the planet/etc., and still have reason for hating Cloud's guts. And having it be through corruption rather than simple possession avoids the trap FFIV and FFVIII encountered where a boring generic villain is obviously standing behind a far more relatable one.
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>>384239937
You're ignoring Sephiroth questioning Cloud about his home town. It's only a few lines but it establishes that Sephiroth has issues regarding his past and not knowing who he is or where he came from. There is nothing to suggest Jenova corrupted him and his outburst at Nibelheim is already set up as being a consequence of years of doubt and brooding obout his origins. Even though what he finds out isn't completely true he is both disgusted and liberated by his connection to Jenova and decides for himself to take the malevolent path.
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How much will the remake poop on Sakaguchi's legacy?
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>tfw Hojo fucked Lucrecia
>tfw Hojo is Sephiroth's father
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>>384240698
>There is nothing to suggest Jenova corrupted him
Except that Jenova corrupted every single other entity injected with "her" cells?
Fucked over Cloud's mind
Black robes all fucking insane
Hojo already insane so who knows there
> Even though what he finds out isn't completely true he is both disgusted and liberated by his connection to Jenova and decides for himself to take the malevolent path.
Cloud's decisions aren't manipulated directly until Jenova decides to make him do things, otherwise it's subtle like making him chase sephiroth down.
Finding out about his connection to Jenova would be the perfect way to get him to start doing what she wants.
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>>384240993
Was Gast Aerith's Dad?
I'm not 100% sure who that scientist in the snow town was.
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>>384239937
>Sephiroth before Nibelheim never had any fantasies about becoming a god or ruling the planet.
The guy had a massive superiority complex (he was always the best, told Cloud he always felt different from everybody, etc...) which turned into a full blown god complex right after (falsely) finding out that he's an ancient. And by falling into the lifestream, he learned how to become one and used Jenova cells to carry out his plan.
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>>384240993
Considering the NTR it could have been Vincent's bastard son
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>>384241190
He was, he got to bang that sweet Cetra puss.
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>>384241142
Lots of people with Jenova cells weren't corrupted, ie Zack and presumably other Soldier members who were screened for their resistance. Also Cloud doesn't start being manipulated until after Jenova all the other clones start traveling towards the Northern Crater which is later revealed to be Sephiroth's influence. Don't get me wrong I agree with much of what you said but it seems to me the game makes it clear about Sephiroth's state of mind and his intentions with no influence form Jenova.
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>>384241575
I assumed the Black Robes were just SOLDIERs though.
Zack sort of fucking died before Jenova sent out the mass call.

Basically what happens with that is.
Jenova's head is the base and Sephiroth takes it up north via lifestream, then the body escapes, pretends to be sephiroth, and starts trying to get all the cells back north.

I guess maybe sephiroth was using this to also get what he wanted at the same time, but I'm still not too sure.
I think the best way to say it was definitely sephiroth doing it would be that he's the final two bosses merged with jenova and the dominant name/appearance.

But about Cloud, he was being manipulated the minute he wakes up in Sector 7, he was getting the headaches while talking to tifa.
The fucked up guy near aerith's house, sector 5 I think?, didn't move until after you leave midgar or at least not until you've seen him there once.

One thing I want to know is whether or not Red 13 had Jenova cells in him, I would think not but he did have a tattoo.
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>>384241970
>I assumed the Black Robes were just SOLDIERs though.

No, they're random people Hojo injected Jenova cells into. SOLDIERs pop up in random battles every so often.
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I don't remember but how did Cloud managed to catch and flop Sephiroth into the reactor hole? that was before he got mako'd by Hojo right?
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>>384232579
To be fair, Shantotto is pretty much told to fuck off by most of the cast in Dissidia 012
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>>384241970
>>384242346
The blacks robes were survivors of the Nibelheim incident.
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>>384242448

Before. Limit Breaks are an in-universe thing.
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>>384236938
Dude, I'll cut your throat. Take that back. I played FF7 first and got all the way to the Northern Cave or some shit and I was under leveled and I couldn't turn back so I stopped. I stopped playing FF9 because of something personal coming up, but the story was so vivid that I have dreams about it. Shit was great. Literally the best RPG I've ever played, besides Dark Souls 2 of course.

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So the way I saw it is...

All Mako/Jenova cells persons are corrupted but Jenova is not actually dead but dormant as it is captured by ShinRa, thus are suffering but able to cope with it.

Sephiroth easily corruptable yields to his failing mind, Zack/Cloud are not corrupted at this point so do not fall under Jenova's nearby influence, Sephiroth wants to reunite with "Mother".

Sephiroth frees Jenova temporarily, his failed mind allows him to be killed by grunt Cloud, he falls into the lifestream with JENOVA'S HEAD - This is where due to being half human/half alien, falling in with Jenova itself and refusing to defuse into the lifestream, is preserved in Northern Crater now fully one with Jenova's ambitions, has will over Jenova and vice-versa in different capacities.

ShinRa realise the huge blunder that has occurred, rebuild the town and move the remaining parts of Jenova for safe keeping, opting for Midgar this time. The fallen Cloud/Zack are captured and subjected to Mako testing, Cloud being far inferior to Zack suffers heavy poisoning.

(LOTS OF PLOT HAPPENS)

Cloud now poisoned is fated to look for Sephiroth who split Jenova into 2 parts, the head now resides in Northern Crater.

You go into Northern Crater and find Jenova, who of course is very much alive and then find Sephiroth's lifestream infused state, who thanks to Jenova again is a monsterous angel, you beat him and his form disparses as Jenova has been killed now (For real this time).

With Jenova dead and Sephiroth no longer able to fuse with the planet, Cloud tries to leave, before realising Sephiroth's will is still alive and refusing to dissipate into the lifestream.

Cloud now 80% pure lifestream at this point, manages to enter his will into the lifestream, finally slaying that final part of Sephiroth that prevented him for experiencing true death. Cloud's will overpowers Sephiroth's will, his body essentially explodes/dissipates and Sephiroth becomes one with the lifestream.
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