Fallout 3 appreciation thread

I would like to know why they removed the random encounter stuff from New Vegas.

>>384203403
It's the worst in the series, destroys already established lore. Isn't really a Fallout game. Enclave is supposed to be dead from the events of FO2 and the BoS has no business being muh paragons of moral virtue.

>>384203403
It's people memeing. The story is rather shitty and linear though.

>>384203554
>established lore

Nobody played those old ass games you dinosaur. Bethesda made the series a house hold name.

>>384203403

It's babby's first Fallout game. Only true plebs hold it in any sort of high regard.

Mostly the story and setting. Gameplay is fine for what it is.

It's still better than FO4.

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>>384203734
>I thought it was the best in the series
>but I didn't play anything but FO3

You're not too bright, are you?

Well for one thing, the companion path finding is embarrassing.

>>384203734
Kill yourself.

>>384203862
Best in the series meaning 3, NV and 4. Not 1 and 2. 1 and 2 are outdated.

>>384204035
Just end it already.

Oh boy, another FO3 thread that needs to rely on bait for replies.

>>384203868
WHY CAN'T THEY JUMP?

>>384203403
I loved the atmosphere of the capitol wasteland, somehow felt more "post apocalyptic". I enjoyed fallout 3 a lot, I actually liked the story because I actually cared about the dad in the game (Liam Neeson). Mainly I'd say i'm pretty biased, this game is a huge nostalgia fest for me.

>>384203554
wasnt that chapter of the brotherhood basically cut off from the rest, which is why the outcast existed?

>>384204492
Fallout isnt a Post-apocalyptic game.

>>384204678
the better question is what in the fuck were they doing so far east. bethesda seemed to have a problem creating new factions, or they were scared to.

>>384203403

Mainly because only recently have there been an influx of you faggots who were 10 when it came out, and praise it because it was the best experience you could have at the time, I guess. Which is sad.

So the rest of us who aren't in our early and mid twenties like New Vegas and the older titles more.

>>384203403
You OP is obvious bait, but I will say it's a nostalgia kind of game I enjoyed, since it was my first Fallout game and introduced me to the rest of the franchise.

>>384204791
Of course it is.

>>384204878
This is a fair thing to say, you would think they would stop in Chicago or maybe the Pitt and not go towards a completely destroyed city.

But Lyons Brotherhood was told to us many times that they are not really the true brotherhood of steel, and the outcasts were an ok representation of the actual brotherhood

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>>384204492
>Nostalgia for Fallout 3

>>384205074
Its a post-post apocalyptic game, even just reading about the prior games and playing new vegas people should get that

>>384205204
Fallout 3 will be 10 years old next year

>>384203403
>I thought it was the best in the series.

But that's New Vegas.

>>384205309

So your age when you discovered it?

>>384203403
>Why does this game get so much hate here?

The writing sucks. Karma is represented in black-and-white extremes, and the game constantly pushes you into the arms of the Brotherhood, which is portrayed as being infallible and wholly pure in its motives.

Fallout 3 had a great atmosphere, but that's about it.

>>384204987
>30+ years old on 4chan

neck yourself

>>384204987

33 here. I thought it was a neat concept but then I played the game and realised how horribly made it was. I'm glad I at least gave it a chance.

>>384205662

I'll never understand these posts.

>>384205775
>doesn't understand these posts
stub your toe you pile of monkey poo poo.

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>>384205226
>it's after after the apocalypse, not after the apocalypse

>>384205517
i was probably 12, im 21 now.

Im also not that guy you replied too

>>384203516
>I would like to know why they removed the random encounter stuff from New Vegas.

It was replaced with the Wild Wasteland perk. It's more or less the same thing, although the game doesn't do anything quite as generous as giving you a deathclaw gauntlet at the start of the game.

>>384205775

Just normies who spend too much time here.

>>384204035
>outdated
>not fallout 3

Lolwut

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>>384203403

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I can under liking it if you prefer it's more neutral towns and cities rather than every place talking about or having some sort of tie in with NCR vs Legion, but it's otherwise pretty piss poor and loved due to being a lot of peoples first fallout. It's hard to let go of something that was your first

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>>384204791
>Fallout isn't a Post-apocalyptic game.
Okay...then what do you call a game that takes place after the world has been destroyed in nuclear fire then dumbass?

I like the religious/spiritual tone of the game. Like the naming of "The Oasis", or how the father quotes bible verses etc. Made the game feel really emotional and real, of course in this post apocalyptic setting people will hold onto any beliefs they can

>>384203554
Everything you claim is harmful to the lore is and has been explained many times before, faggot.

Is Tranquility Lane the closest that gaming has come to Twilight Zone?

>>384206284
They want civilization to be back and you exit the vault and you quest to become the under secretary of transportation.
You would set tolls and make sure paperwork is filed in a timely fashion.

Very exciting stuff.

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>>384205434
Not true at all. Take off your rose tinted glasses for once obsidiot.

>>384203516
because being ambushed outside every metro or, god forbid, the vault at the start was annoying at best and gamebreaking at worst

>>384205226

>Fallout 1 and 2 literally say "A Post-Nuclear Role-Playing Game" on their boxart

shut the fuck up

>>384206241
This. I know full well that Fallout 3 isn't the best Fallout, and it certainly hasn't aged too well. But like I said, It was my first Fallout, and got me into the series and lore as a whole. I pumped in some good time into Fallout 3 and it's DLCs before New Vegas came along.

>>384204791
And this isn't a good thing. The next fallout game should ideally be closer to the nuclear war and bring back the grimdark nature of fallout 1.

It won't be devoid of civilization or adventure though, randall clark's journal is enough proof for that

>>384206746
No it hasn't, stop lying.

>>384205617
Doesn't karma exist in New Vegas? Regardless it's just a system they used to make distinct playing experiences between good and bad players, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

New Vegas did everything it could to push you into the arms of House or the NCR. They were literally going out of their way to make The Legion evil and make Yes Man an afterthought.

When it boils down to it, New Vegas improved a bit on 3, but not by a lot, or at least not as much as you people claim.

>>384204035
Kys

>>384206746

When/where

>>384207206
Give me an example.

>>384206746
Explained with some bullshit excuses Bethesda wrote in for no other reason than to wave away all the continuity errors.

>>384203403
Everyone here idolizes hbombercuck.

>>384207343
In game most likely, you need to be more specific though. You're speaking too generally.
>>384207440
Again, what continuity errors. And at least they gave a reason instead of just rebooting the franchise and not giving a damn at all

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>>384204987
>>384205990

>>384207423
Ghoulification happening instantly and not due to long term exposure to radiation and/or FEV

GECK was turned into a terraforming laptop device and not a kit with some seeds and a fusion reactor.

Pre-War Jet

>>384203403
There's basically two broad classes of things that fans of the old games disliked about it. First was the abandonment of the complexity of tactical combat and interaction with the environment where everything the player does has some kind of appreciable resource cost. It was far from perfect, being a kitbashed GURPS, but it did what it set out to do and proved quite influential in its own right. The gunplay in 3 is easily the worst of the three new Fallouts. The margin between it and New Vegas is narrower than either of those games and 4, but by the standards of any competently constructed FPS, it's a mess. Meanwhile a lot of the urgency that drove combat in Fallout 1 and 2 is lost due to just how easy it all is.

The other thing was the change in theme, tone, style and sense of presentation. It really doesn't feel like a Fallout game, and it doesn't really build on or meaningfully continue anything in the first two games so much as it recycles them and does so badly. That would get a lot of the old guard's dander up, no question.

On to appreciation - the best part of every Bethesda game is the hiking sim, and Fallout 3 is their second best in my opinion. They're very good at making it. Also, there's a lot of unsung brilliance in object placement to hide culling planes and prevent pop-in. Given how tiny the memory pools they had to work with and no plan for multiple builds, it was and still is quite impressive. More open world designers could learn a lot about how to hide memory limits just by walking around that game.

>>384207687
bos being out of character
enclave still existing
capitol wasteland being a nuclear shithole with almost no reconstruction or society and it looks like the bombs fell a week ago
it's basically a soft reboot, it continues nothing from previous games and requires no knowledge of them.

>>384207958
Agree with the second 2 points, but wasn't fallout combat always a bit clunky? I didn't play fallout 1 until after I played the 3d ones, but I played fallout 2 as a kid and it was pretty frusturating getting bursted 100-0 by some dude with an auto weapon that had no counterplay

>>384208086
There used to be floating around the net some screenshots indicating the game took place just a few decades after the bombs dropped. Effectively they were writing a Fallout 1 for the East Coast. But then...well, some dumb shit happened.

>>384204791
"Fallout is a series of post-apocalyptic retrofuturistic role-playing video games. It was created by Interplay Entertainment. Although the series is set during the 22nd and 23rd centuries, its atompunk retrofuturistic setting and artwork are influenced by the post-war culture of 1950s America, and its combination of hope for the promises of technology, and lurking fear of nuclear annihilation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(series)

>>384208086
>capitol wasteland being a nuclear shithole with almost no reconstruction or society and it looks like the bombs fell a week ago

But that's how a widescale nuclear exchange would affect the world. All that radioactive shit in the environment isn't going to decay until thousands of years later. And it's going to take more than a couple of generations to repair all the blown out power grids and restore assembly lines and other means of production.

New Vegas is the only thing that came close to 1 and 2.
FO1>FO2.

>>384208546
And that shit already happened in the original games and NV, that's what people mean when they say Fallout isn't post-apocalyptic or it's post-post apocalyptic. The immediate threat of the apocalypse has already passed and humanity rebuilt some semblance of society adapted to the new world.

>>384208294
Oh, absolutely. Combat in Fallout 1 and 2 is a mess. There are some hefty design flaws like not being able to control the companions properly (or at all in some ways) and the thing that's used to cover it up is a slot machine gore effect on every kill. It's pretty bad. Fortunately, it's only a small part of the game. The combat in 3 and New Vegas is also pretty bad, but it has a lot more lifting to do for overall game time so it's flaws are harder to ignore. 4 is in the same boat. It's less flawed than 3 and New Vegas for the most part but so much of the game is just unavoidable combat that its flaws become more noticeable.

The shitty gameplay keeps me from enjoying the 1 & 2. Those games should have been 3D like 3, NV and 4 instead of isometric and having to click where you want to go

>>384203403
I played F3 when I was 14 yo so I have a kind of nostalgic feeling about it. I used to love F3 and play all day long then FNV, TESV and F4.
But I can't lie today the game feels old and unplayable due the shit controls, so I only got the warm and nostalgic feeling about the experience of F3 but I will never play it again.
Also I don't play old games neither replay them, there's alot of new games to waste my time looking foward the past.

Jag skäms över min dåliga engelska.

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>despite barely being able to talk without having an asthma attack, Harold apparently traveled across the entire continental United States on foot
>in a setting where going from California to Utah is considered a long and arduous journey
Most of Fallout 3's writing is just bland and dumb, but this is the only thing I remember that really irritates me.

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>>384206901
>minute differences

>>384208815
>The immediate threat of the apocalypse has already passed

Are you sure you really understand the effects of a nuclear holocaust? It doesn't "pass." We'll be trapped on an irradiated husk with no way to deal with the extensive levels of contamination quickly destroying the food chain. Virtually all the water in the world would be contaminated. Virtually all soil, as well. Anything that manages to grow in that soil will also be contaminated. Everyone and everything will slowly die off from radiation sickness because there's no way to avoid coming in contact with it.

>>384209419
Are you sure you really understand this is a fictional game you're talking about?

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>>384206901
minute differences

>>384206235
not interested in talking about realism in an alternate history post apoc game with talking mutants and ghouls

>>384206235
Why did this post get ignored?

>>384209419
not true because in fallout there are magic drugs that cure radiation sickness and chinese submarine babies genetically engineered plants to scrub the environment

>>384209180
There are over 10 years from the end of fo2 to the start of fo3. Excusable.

>>384209325
I like NV better than 3 but all of 3's quests actually had substance except for Agatha's song, unlike all of NV's quests. However, there were much much less quests in 3, so NV has more good quests in total.

In fact, Fo3 did quests like You gotta shoot em in the Head better than very similar NV quests like 3 card bounty.

I actually have no clue where this meme came from, this applies way more to fo4 than to fo3

>>384209719
when did todd let you off your leash hines?

>>384203403
It's okay but NV is better sorry :/

>>384209745
Too much read.

>>384203516
Out of time

>>384209872
what is "substance"? FO3s quests and side quests are fetch quests that don't effect the world, meanwhile FONVs quest has branching, and can be accomplished in multiple ways for multiple factions, even a shit ton of the side quests can effect the entire world and how certain people treat you, or how certain groups are benefiting/being harmed by your actions.

>>384208546
>>384209419
Yes and no. There are some isotopes that can take basically forever to stabilize, but the 'if you so much as look at it you'll have six different kinds of cancer including ones we'll be discovering in you' radiation sheds from isotopes with half lives measured in seconds. Meaning they turn into something relatively innocuous long before those vaults get evacuated. Getting drinkable water out of an irradiated riverbed is as simple as sifting the radioactive material from the water. No special steps required, just charcoal and sand filters, distill it if you must, but it's unlikely you'll have microbes to worry about. Nuclear winter is a myth, and natural erosion (especially after two centuries) would see most radioactive material contained in some surprising places like the bottom of the ocean. The real problem, again with a surprising solution, would be the byproducts of nuclear decay. Stable but toxic heavy metals built up in the soil (the direct byproduct of U-238 decay is Lead-206) would not only prevent healthy plant growth, contact with such material can be potentially lethal. The solution is that nature has a way of cleaning itself up. Insects and plant life can easily leech these materials from the soil. They already do it in real life.
>>384209745
Tl;dr. That's about the size of it. The original is almost 8,000 words long. Good reading, mind. But still lengthy.

As someone who was introduced to the series by fallout 3 and absolutely loved it at the time, I'm not sure how anyone could like it over new vegas


Even if you are one of those people who are like "RPGs are gay i just wanna shoot people lol" (despite playing an RPG) new vegas has the same gunplay with far more weapons and armor, and 4 has better gunplay than either (though unfortunately not as much weapons/armor)

>>384207857
Ghoulification was always an iffy topic that never was explored in depth or set in stone, but even in 3 it is implied Ghoulification occurs through chronic exposure as well as acute exposure

You got me there, but it's always possible that there were multiple variants of G.E.C.K. devices and prototypes, with the East coast control vaults given the more state if the art models.

Jet was retconned in 4 not 3
>>384208086
The BoS in the East are under control and influence of a defected elder who felt the Brotherhoods strength could be used to help. Even in game you see outcasts who left Lyons fragment group because they still believed in the original creed of the brotherhood and didn't want to play white knights

There was nothing to suggest the Enclave only existed on the West Coast and we're knocked out completely in Fallout 2.

Nuclear fallout can last hundreds of thousands of years depending on the severity of it, so it's reasonable the place could still look like an irradiated dump considering the Capitol of the U.S. would've been target #1 in the great war. Civilizations were trying to be rebuilt, but the lack of clean water anywhere in the region crippled that progress to a crawl, sorry Bethesda didn't put a patch of corn and a well next to each city in game.

>>384203403
Its the worst by far, at least fallout 4 has a somewhat decent survival mode.

Tale of Two wastelands is the superior fallout.

>>384209419
Even in Fallout 1 there were towns and shit being built
In Fallout 2 there was that fuckhuge city built around the vault and that was like 40 fucking years before fallout 3
It's pretty obvious they're not going with the realistic "it would take a millenium to recover" and based on the canon of the games they were managing really well relatively short after the bombs dropped, so it makes no sense for why the capital wasteland is still a wasteland

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>>384209325
>cherry picking

>>384204035
Fallout 3 is as old today as Fallout 1 was to Fallout 3 at release.

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>>384209325
Look at all these GREAT new vegas quests...

>>384210512
no THAT is cherry picking

FO3 doesn't even have any quests as indepth as FONVs that actually effect the world in a logical manner depending on how you complete them.

Anyone who thinks 3 is better than New Vegas knows nothing about video games and needs to leave.

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>>384209670

>>384205775
You obviously didn't get the Child at Heart perk.

>>384210716
>>384210512
doesn't flocking matter when FONV still has 50% of its quests way better designed than anything FO3 ever accomplished. why don't you post some quests from FO3 that are half as in depth, with half as many options, and that can effect the world or how NPCs treat you?

>>384209325
>>384209670
>>384210110

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Three-Card_Bounty
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/You_Gotta_Shoot_%27Em_in_the_Head

Two quests: same premise. NV has better quests than 4 because it has a higher NUMBER of good quests, not a higher PERCENTAGE.

>>384210983
Republic. Of. Dave.

>>384209872
>There are over 10 years from the end of fo2 to the start of fo3. Excusable.
I don't care how long the time span is between 2 and 3, the point is that it would be absolutely ridiculous for him to survive or even attempt the journey in the first place.

>>384210278
see my previous post
>Explained with some bullshit excuses Bethesda wrote in for no other reason than to wave away all the continuity errors.
Instead of continuing where the last game left off like NV did Bethesda just went and did their own thing with complete disregard for continuity with the rest of the series and wrote in some excuses later. BOS is out of character and the Enclave still exists? Not the same ones! Capitol Wasteland looks nothing like previous games? It got bombed extra hard! Settlements don't make any sense? Fuck it who cares, they didn't even make an excuse for this one, I guarantee cities in 3 were designed purely on how cool they looked or some kind of gimmick.

>>384210768
>it's ok for me to cherrypick, but not you
Holy fuck you're retarded. There's plenty of quests in Fallout 3 with depth and good writing, like the replicated man, tenpenny tower, blood ties, etc. The main quest is also shown to have a large impact on the world during Broken Steel, and destroying the Enclave Facility actually causes more Enclave units to spawn in the surrounding areas. Agathas song leads to her broadcasting on her radio, and 3 dog commentates on some of your actions throughout various quests.

>>384211079
>same premise
Did you play the games? NV's is a typical fetch quest while 3's unlocks the path to the best power armor.

>>384210861

>first refute
>GOTY like skyrim etc
>A bit baity but ill forgive
>second refute
>Acts as if the diagram is depicting a quest and not the storyline as it clearly states

well there's no sense in reading any more of this

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>defending FO3 just to be contrarian
Why would you even bother when NV is objectively the better game?

>>384211235
>blood ties
>good writing
lel

>>384211268
I don't think he ever even played the game, he literally has no idea who any of the factions are including his "precious" BOS.

>HS
>friend pulls case from sweater during lunch time
>gives to to other friend to play at his house
>"you wanna play anon?"
life would never be the same until NV and mods

>>384210983
You're the one who started the dick contest retard. Of course when you fill your game with so much filler shit the ones that are half way decent are going to stand out. You're just ass mad because I proved you wrong

>>384210861
I hate blind NV shills as much as the next guy but you must have not played the game or have 1 PER if you think that you can't join the bos, Van Graffs, Khans, or powder gangers. AlsoI think he used house to represent the strip faction as a whole (they have a rep bar and all)

>>384211389
I'm not saying NV isn't the better game, I'm saying that FO3 isn't a bad game.

>>384211489
Still doesn't disprove my post, cherry picker. The quest had a lot of branching parts and options available to you.

>>384208675
FO1 is godtier, but FO2 is fucking trash

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fucking hell todd

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>>384211637
>FO3 isn't a bad game
Yes it is.

>>384211725
>cherry picker
>he says after posting the few long and branching quests the game actually has
you said depth and good writing and blood ties is fucking retarded.

>>384204791

This is a post that actually happened on /v/.

>>384208984
That isometric style gameplay could work if it used the right tweaking. As it is though the games are an absolute bore to play through. At least the modern games are immersive and fun.

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>>384203403
It's blatantly obvious that Bethesda doesn't give a shit about Fallout compared to the Elder Scrolls, and specifically, didn't care about Fallout 3 at all. They put so little effort into practically every aspect of that game. The amount of content it has compared to every other game they've made is downright pathetic. Even ignoring all the writing and lore complaints from classic Fallout fans, purely viewed as a Bethesda game, Fallout 3 is terrible.

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>>384210861
New Vegas Babbies BTFO

>>384211938
Gee, almost as retarded as ghouls wanting to blast off into space?

We keep calling each other cherry pickers when in the end this is all it will boil down to.

I liked collecting historical shit for that Abraham Washington guy

>>384203734
Fuck (You)

Have you accepted that fallout 3 is a bad game yet?

>>384204878
They were using fucking bottle caps, because they were >le iconic.
This is your mind on Bethesda.

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>>384212518

>>384203403
Waited for Van Buren and got this piece of shit instead.

>>384211637
It was tho. It aged terribly.

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>>384213076
Gamebryo man. Fucking Gamebryo.

>>384211914
>>384206235
Christ i've been so blind... It's so obvious when you look at it

>3 is the worst

>when the shitheap that is BoS exists

I fucking loathe 3 but come on guys. BoS nearly killed the fucking franchise it was so terrible.

>>384212085
Except a good chunk of New Vegas' named quests look like
>>384210716
>>384210512
Quality is more important than quantity, and while New Vegas has some good ones, a lot is just filler.

>>384213891
>Quality is more important than quantity
I really hope you're not trying to imply FO3 has quality quests.

>>384206235
>>384209325
>>384209670
>>384211389
>>384211914
Woah... these charts and pics typed up by angry autists filled with bias and opinion totally persuaded me, it's as if I were magically compelled to agree with a screen shot of something an anon said years ago with a restricted mind set and with no way to give my own rebuttal to them.... damn.......

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>you lived long enough to see people defend fallout 3
I'm honestly surprised.

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>>384214289
>years ago
FO3 didn't become better with age, dumbass.

>>384213982
There are though.

Before we start down this path I'm just going to summarize what's gonna happen. You're going to ask for examples, I'm going to give some, and you're going to say they don't count or aren't good because you say so, then proceed to cherry pick bad quests from 3 then compare them to cherry picked good quests from New Vegas. That's literally how all arguments go with NVFags.

>>384214296
I remember when Halo was babby's first FPS and modern Call of Duty was laughed off the board but we've been host to nostalgia threads for both. WE get older, but the underage shits keep coming.

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>>384214589
Cool.
Here, pick a quest.

>>384213868
You mean tactics?

>>384214814
No, there was an action game called Brotherhood of Steel. It was on PS2 and maybe the other consoles too, I can't remember.

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>>384214557
The only thing time gave NV was a chance for people to realize how overrated and wrongly idolized it was by idiots like you.

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>>384214902
Wow, I've never even heard of this game.

>>384211914
A lot of the nonsensical stuff pointed out in this infograph is present in Fallout and Fallout 2. The whole premise of the Fallout universe doesn't make any sense when you get down to it. Why would you attack 3 and defend 2 and 1 when they're just as guilty? Cherrypicking.

>>384203403
After playing like over 300 hours of both FO3 and NV I STILL not sure which one I liked better.
New Vegas had everything to be my favorite but the map was not just smaller but felt so fucking empty compared to the ruined city in FO3.
And one thing I liked about exploring Fo3 is that the enemies would show up at random, while in NV I always know what I'm gonna find so I never get surprises.

And dont even talk to me about story because both game have really shitty main plot and I completely ignore both.
Actually none of the Fallout games, from 1 to 4, had memorable plots.

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>>384215061
It's not wrong to say new vegas is a good rpg. Just like it's not wrong to say fallout 3 is a bad rpg. All the mspaint comics in the world aren't going to change that.

>>384215061
>I AM SILLY

>>384206235
>>384209325
>>384209670
>>384210861
>>384211389
>>384211914
>>384215061
>>384215263
>ITT: More idiots try to post other people's arguments as self evident fact

>>384215263
Therefore it's not wrong to say Fallout New Vegas is a bad rpg if I've actually played the genre outside of Fallout. And it's not wrong to say Fallout 3 and New Vegas are more similar than they are different, and they both suffer from the same shortcomings to varying degrees.

>>384215354
Those pics are the result of years of NV vs FO3 threads. they're probably older than you are, kiddo.

>>384215465
>Fallout New Vegas is a bad rpg
why tho

>>384215263
fallout 3 isn't a classic rpg like fallout is known for it's an action rpg like everything bethesda makes. todd is on record saying he thinks that the lines of what defines rpgs is blurry.

>>384215273
>IT'S OK WHEN I POST STRAWMAN ARGUMENTS

>>384215182
>A lot of the nonsensical stuff pointed out in this infograph is present in Fallout and Fallout 2.

explain

>inb4 he doesn't explain

>>384215597
I didn't say it's a bad rpg because it has action. It's bad because it's bad.

>>384215263
>the bad models still remain, though slightly improved

Totally not biased at all.

New Vegas' NPCs look like shit compared to 3's.

>>384215502
Too lazy to come up with the arguments on your own? Keep parroting faggot

>>384215625
But I didn't insinuate or post any strawman comics. You did.

>>384206810
Such a good mission, nothing in NV remotely compares.

I'm firmly in 3>NV camp.

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>>384215812
They were still the gambryo potato faces but I'd say they looked more natural than most of what was in FO3. A few even looked attractive, like red lucy.

>>384215182
>they're just as guilty
Make your own ms paint chart then
Who knows, it might get posted for years to come from kids that think images are a word from god

>people who like FO3 more always talk normally about the game, like mature people would do
>people who like NV more are always throwing shit on FO3 and FO4 while circlejerking about how perfect Obsidian games are

Really make you think huh

>>384215906
Everything that can be said about NV vs FO3 has been said.

>>384215587
The branching quests are too few and far between in a sea of linear quests, and are usually left to a few unimportant or shallow choices that don't actually affect the outcome

The game falls victim to the "typical good guys" and "typical bad guys" trope you criticize 3 for

The game features several factions that are merely there for show or fluff. Outside of 3 or 4 fetch or kill quests, there is nothing to a majority of these factions.

The game has a large number quests sure, but a majority is fetch quests, or boring dialogue only quests.

Your actions don't actually get to affect the world and you don't get to see your decisions impact the world outside of a 20 second mention in an end game slide show.

The gameplay and gunplay are blocky and archaic as fuck. The game somehow looks worse than 3 at times despite being 2 years newer.

A lot if "hey guys look, something from fallout 1/2" without actually putting effort or depth into its inclusion.

The map is all around worse in my opinion, but we'll leave that up to perspective.

>>384216013
Tranquility lane is a cool novelty but that's about it for me.
From what I gather people who prefer FO3 like flash while people who prefer NV prefer substance.

>>384206810
>Twilight Zone

I never put two and two together but I think some quests in Fallout are inspired in that tv series.

>>384205775
Kids man, actual children. Gotta remember what site this is.

>>384216352
>"typical good guys" and "typical bad guys"
Call me dismissive but I'm too tired to argue with you if you think the games' story is about pure good vs pure bad.

>>384216514
Little Lamplight is a reference to lord if the flies

God damit this thread is making me reinstall Fallout 3.
That Anchorage DLC is the only one I havent bothered to play yet,

>spend entire game looking for dad
>meet him
>he dies

>>384216832
You should play new vegas instead. It's the stronger of the two. There's a reason why it still has semi regular threads.

>>384216832
Anchorage is fucking horrible.

>>384216276
Not by yourself. No, you're happy to let others cloud your judgement with their ms paint comics.

>>384216824
I am gonna call you retarded because the Legion was totally forced into the bad guy role and the NCR was made out to be the good guys. House and Yes Man were independent entities that were made out to be the cookie cutter go to choice and an after thought alternative, respectively

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>>384211914
>>384215720
>all of the games are set well after a century after the nuclear war except for the first one which is still set 84 years after the war
>despite this passage of time, civilization STILL hasn't recovered and the world is largely in a state of anarchy
>automobiles were apparently fueled by nuclear power, something which could exist in the real world, except governments don't want everyone and their brother to have access to refined uranium, this fear apparently didn't exist in the Fallout world
>despite automobiles running on nuclear power, there are still gas stations everywhere
>why was the period from the end of WWII up to the time of the Great War stuck in a cultural stasis with this 1950s Leave it to Beaver aesthetic, never changing, with everyone listening to 125 year old Billie Holliday songs?
>how come no automobiles are operational anymore and yet in New Vegas you can resurrect a plane that's been at the bottom of a lake for 300 years with the intention of making it operational?
>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?
>why did no pre-war governments develop thermonuclear weapons and why do the nukes in Fallout produce an unrealistic amount of fallout?
>robots with brains were being produced, and yet no one ever got around to making a computer with a GUI
Face it, Fallout as a whole has never made any sense.

>>384216881
>follow him across the wasteland
>sentry bot gatling lasers can only manage to knock him out
>a little bit of gas ends up killing him

>>384216917
Probably because this site is infested with fan boys who attack threads related to any other fallouts.

Never let /v/ decide for you.

>>384207958
Gregor has joined the conversation

>>384217038
Legion is a faction created for the harshness of the wastes, NCR is a corrupt bloated bureaucracy that's stretched too thin and likely to collapse, house keeps the peace but he's a control freak and kind of a dick.
And then the player's action can make one side a little better, but all the main players still have their drawbacks. There's no "right" choice.

>>384217153
>Never let /v/ decide for you.
Right. Play both and see for yourself why NV is better.

>>384217057
>/v/ will ignore this post because of bias

>>384217057
>>despite this passage of time, civilization STILL hasn't recovered and the world is largely in a state of anarchy
Play Fallout 2.
>>despite automobiles running on nuclear power, there are still gas stations everywhere
Nuclear power was only discovered close to the Great War, everyone used normal gas before, and it was the shortage of that resource that caused the USA vs China war in the first place.
>>why was the period from the end of WWII up to the time of the Great War stuck in a cultural stasis with this 1950s Leave it to Beaver aesthetic, never changing, with everyone listening to 125 year old Billie Holliday songs?
It's cool.
>>how come no automobiles are operational anymore and yet in New Vegas you can resurrect a plane that's been at the bottom of a lake for 300 years with the intention of making it operational?
Bethesda's engine doesn't allow automobiles.
>>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?
It's practical for ingame reasons, Fallout 2 had more types of currencies than Bottlecaps and Obsidian planned the same for NV, but they found it to be too boring.
Those last two i don't have any answers, sorry.

YES BY ALL MEANS LETS

>>384217632
Very good post, anon. Good job.

>>384217478
And yet they still fall victim to their designated roles.

>>384216352
>The game falls victim to the "typical good guys" and "typical bad guys" trope you criticize 3 for
Fucking what? This game has you coming to terms with different types of militia for how they would fuck up in certain fields. The NCR are the "good guys" for most people but are spread thin across their territory, and the troops they employ are often citizens that dabble in debauchery very often (I see like 7 of them every time outside Gommorah) not to mention their currency is pretty worthless.
The Legion is organized and all follow their united belief for the "profligates" of the Mojave. They are a very efficient fighting force due to being trained from childhood and they never have mutiny because again they follow their one belief for the Mojave. The problem is all of these ethics are attached to Caesar so if he falls they become disjointed and they obviously have less than pure thoughts for women and victims of war (crosses and that)
I'm not gonna go into House and Yes Man because I'm rambling as is but they're all fucked in their own regard.

>>384217776
Not really. Plenty of common people bitch about the ncr and it's mentioned that legion territory is way more secure because of their zero tolerance for bullshit.

F:NV > F3 = F4

>>384217670
-And yet in every other fallout, civilizations are teetering.

-Nuclear power was not JUST discovered towards the approach of the Great War. The divide between reality and the fallout universe came right after the end of ww2 where nuclear power was already being explored.

-it's cool isn't a logical reasoning, thus proving his point

-usable vehicles were never in any of the fallouts except vertibirds

-still doesn't answer why bottle caps would ever make sense as a currency.

>>384218035
And yet you choose to fixate on only one of the list of reasons why NV is bad because..?

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>>384209670
>in order to see all the story branches one should complete 160-170 locations multiple times
sure, that sounds like fun

>New Vegas has 15 factions. They all have a developed story and intricated [no such word, btw] quest lines all of which alter the game's ending and story itself
The Boomers were the most interesting ones and the only way they affect the game's ending (after a collect-a-thon) is a pussy ass bombing raid on the Hoover dam. Plus, they cocktease you with a flight combat sim chamber that doesn't even fucking work but the dialog is still in the game. Thanks Obsidian. At least the simulation chambers fucking work in FO3.

>the game also has some minigames such as Blackjack, slots, and a card game called "Caravan"
I don't even know what to say about this shit. You must be a fucking dumbass with a pleb taste if you think clunky ass casino games are an endearing feature

>no trade routes
wrong. plenty of two headed cows sold me shit

>no farming, no power supply and no water purification systems are active in the entire wasteland, and what you do in the world doesn't matter
dumbass, the end goal of the game is to turn the Jefferson memorial into a water purification center.

>>384203403
Focussed too much on the BoS, and that would be fine if they weren't as boring as they made them in 3

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woh is the game fixed for you fnv fags?

>>384218180
FO4 > FO3
>much better gunplay
>more interesting to fight, less bullet spongy enemies
>aesthetic isn't vomit inducing
>better map design, more verticality, fewer rubble pile invisible walls
>vastly more content >>384212085
>story and roleplaying roughly equally bad

>>384207315
>Doesn't karma exist in New Vegas?
Yes but karma has no effect in New Vegas other than the endings and Cass leaving you if you get bad karma

>They were literally going out of their way to make The Legion evil
Because the Legion is unfinished

>>384218412
>usable vehicles were never in any of the fallouts
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Highwayman

>>384216352
>Your actions don't actually get to affect the world and you don't get to see your decisions impact the world outside of a 20 second mention in an end game slide show.
Try eradicating the NCR from Helios ONE and see what happens

>>384221093
Fallout 4 is complete and utter shit.
>hurr instead of actually letting you level up skills like in an actual RPG we're going to just let you pick a perk

>>384206235
>meters
Eurofags ruin everything with their "logic". Good riddance that they get flooded by rapefugees.

>>384216252
Yeah, it makes me think you can't read.

I never got the hate it gets here. It introduced me to the series and I had fun playing it. Trying to play it today is almost impossible, even with mods.

But i sure remember fondly going through Point Lookout after you are operated on and everything is all fucked up and upside down. All my dorm friends were standing behind me watching over my head. It was pretty cool for almost 10 years ago.

>>384205517

I was 20 when I got it in 2010. It was my seconda Bethesda game after Morrowind and probably the game I sunk the most hours into overall.

Why are there no threads about FO3 fans talking about which side they joined in the storyline?

>>384223306
This and the whole "BoS are the good guys and the Enclave are the bad guys with no moral ambiguity" are the only two complaints against FO3 that I actually entertain.

>>384223306
You mean the tired topic that is one of the only 3 things ever discussed in New Vegas threads over and over? Fine.

I decided to poison the purifier and I blew up megaton because the world belongs to the wealthy elite and genetically pure.

>>384203554
when you talk to the president in fallout 2 he tells you the rig is just one of the enclaves bases throught america

>>384217057
>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?
Well why do we use paper dollars instead of food or bullets?

>It's another "Neogaf continues to subvert /v/ and turn the board in favor of AAA mainstream developers like Bethesda and Treyarch

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How did /v/ feel about that sister companion mod for fallout 3?

>>384203734
>>384204035
>people falling for this b8

>>384203554

>Worst in the series
>4 Exists
>Fallout (not tactics): Brotherhood of Steel exits

>>384228812
yeah, that official explanation is a bunch of shit.

desu, the right way to rationalize Little Lamplight is obvious. The world of Fallout is in a perpetual state of war. The population of Little Lamplight is made up of war orphans. Just like many third world countries, there are tons of orphaned children. When you don't have a state to take care of them, they usually band together into a gang. Little Lamplight is a well organized gang.

They replenish their population easily because there's no shortage of orphaned, abandoned, or runaway children in the wasteland. This also explains why there are no infants. The children of the wasteland who know well enough soon make their way to Little Lamplight which monumentally increases their chances of survival to adulthood than if they were just on their own. They probably even seek out children nearby who are lost or in danger.

They kick out their own when they become adults because adults in the wasteland represent oppression. Children are abused, enslaved and exploited by adults in the wasteland, an adult (or several) would probably see an opportunity to do the same to reap easy benefits. So when you're grown up, you're out.

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>>384203516
NV was incredibly rushed. Super Mutants were still yellow in its fucking launch trailer.
>The Strip is tiny because time constraints
>Legion wasn't fully fleshed out and had to be made into generic raiders in sports equipments
>most of the game overworld is empty and lacking enemies because they were running out of time

Thank Bethesda for rushing them.

>>384220407
>green trees
>not going with the dead edition
dc areas was nuked so badly that the soil couldnt grow large trees
good job breaking the lore

>>384221093
underage

>>384211914
It's a mediocre game but still fun with mods.

>>384230124
This is a good explanation but it would have made so much more sense if they were pre-teens and young adults instead of toddlers.

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>>384212085
>Skyrim has ~400 in first graph
>~200 in second
>near half of the quests in Skyrim are misc

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>>384206284
>>384205074
>>384208383
>>384212057
He's right. Do you consider modern society to be post-apocalyptic considering we've been through like 5 mass extinctions? How much time has to pass before earth is no longer considered a post-apocalyptic wasteland?

People have already mostly rebuilt and moved onto to higher level civilization activities like petty wars and hedonism. Survival has NEVER been an issue in the Fallout games. Not even in 1, which took place a measly 80 years after the war. Which is something Bethesda either doesn't understand or is trying to retcon so they can rake in the dough from pandering to the trite post-apocalyptic survival audience.

>>384232580
In the old fallout lore the east coast around the capital was so heavily nuked that the soil was unfit for plant life and the area was mostly a petrified crater. The area around DC lacking plants made perfect sense but I agree with you on everything else.

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>tfw enjoy FO3 even if it's one of the shittier fallouts
>cant talk about it without people coming in comparing it to NV
Yeah NV is miles better than FO3 but it's still fun to return to now and then

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I'm about to get FO3 on PC. What is the must have bug fix mod? /v/ saved me a lot of pain by recommending YUP for New Vegas, but I know nothing about the mod scene for FO3.

>>384232969
I'm an eastcoastfag and at least half my enjoyment from fo3 is bethesda basically pandering to me things that are familiar.
Apparently my subjective opinion is objectively shit because of this.
At the end of the day, I still get to enjoy my video game and they get to go to bed angry over internet strangers, but it's just annoying in the moment.

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>>384233035
>must have
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/19122/?
second is optional
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/10318/?

>>384204035
I agree on FO2 being outdated, at least. The combat is too much busywork and require 5 times more clicking than it needs to.

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>>384230410
lol stay salty

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>>384204492
It shouldn't be "post apoc" in that time period. Maybe in Fo1 and Fo2 it would be. As of Fo3, the bombs dropped two hundred fucking years ago. There's enough people in america to form a civilisation again. A whole shitload even just going by the NPCs in the games. They just aren't unified because things like a lack of education and government, along with the general lethality of the mutated wildlife are slowing things down.

Realistically, people would adapt to that and forge ahead anyway, especially with the glut of pre war tech and information lying around. That's what's happening in NV. New Vegas is a FRONTIER region, and it's still well on it's way to becoming civilized as of 200 years after the apocalypse.

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>>384233235
Thanks, I'll be sure to try it.

>>384234168
Where is 2?

>>384230124
>The children of the wasteland who know well enough soon make their way to Little Lamplight

And how would they even know about the existence of it?
Why did Little Lamplight not get raided by pretty much anything around, be it dangerous animals or simply raiders?
How the fuck do kids survive in a group since they lack the strength and experience to survive?

>>384235080
You're thinking about it too much. It's just
>dude kids with guns lmao

>>384223306
Because they're so shallow and dumb, it's not worth of a discussion

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It's a great game, it definitely deviates from what Fallout is but hey it's on the other side of the country, so shit should feel different.

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>>384236353
>It's a great game

>>384203403
Much better atmosphere and realism than NV. It's not aa polished, but still playable.

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>>384203554
>worst in the series
>fallout 4 exists

I can fully enjoy it now after that shitshow that was Fallout 4.
Got into ENB tuning recently so potato quality is also gone.

These threads are only happening because one autismo got blown the fuck out in a NV thread so hard.
I half imagine it's the same biodrone faggot responsible for the endless POE hate threads and the multiple witcher hate threads, and the cassie cage hate threads, and the other 50 threads he reposted constantly.

>>384238375
oh and the neutralfag hate threads, and the anthony burch wankoff threads, and probably a few other notable ones
yes it's one guy.
autists tracked him down.

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>>384203403
This is THE game for me. You know, the game that you spend hours on, always replaying every other year or so, and know every little nook and cranny of it. Yeah, it's that game for me. If I'm not re-playing it on my 360 to see if I can get more organized and finish the game faster/more efficiently, I play mods on PC, or play it along with NV via TTW. Got a history with this game, not gonna lie, my first "Next Gen" Game I played, and my first ever pre order. After playing F1 and F2 for hours on end as a kid, I was fucking hyped for a 3d release.

NV is better, but F3 will always have a special place in my heart. It's also the reason why I fell for the F4 hype, even tho it turned out to be garbage in the end

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>>384203554
>Worst in the series
>Not pic related
Ask me how I know you're underage

>>384203734
no one fucking asked them to.

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>all these kiddies

>>384238612
Tactics was great. Well, it was fun, great game if you want more isometric fallout, and a new experience, but it might be the second most unpolished game in the franchise, after fallout 2

>>384210537
>it's actually true

fuckin passage of time, mang.

>>384238760
>>384210537
Yeah. Replaying the game again. It's been long 10 years, I remember my first playthru, I was a dumbass and picked up every piece of garbage along the way, walking across the wasteland with thousands of pounds of crap on me. I had no idea what I was doing. It's a very different story now, in a way, that sums up my life in the last decade quite nicely

>>384210716
Not every fucking quest has to have 50 different lines/options. The difference is, EVERY fucking quest in fallout 4 had 1 line/option.

>>384215061
>Except the New Vegas map often feels empty and boring

PFFFFFFFFFFFT!

What, and Fallout 3's map doesn't?

Also, for that matter, what's this bullshit about picking from a definitive good or evil side in NV? Sure, Legion's pretty clear-cut evil, but what about House or the Independent option? Those can be called morally grey. Hell, the NCR, the "good guys" even have their downsides. And while the Legion is obviously evil, they also happen to have their shit together, considering that everything you hear about them back east is how Caesar keeps things running smooth.

Compare to 3, where you have no options whatsoever and are fighting against an antagonistic force that you -only- have a specific grudge against because they showed up out of nowhere and killed your dad. Not to mention how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things. The only thing you ever do that technically matters is find the GECK, which the Brotherhood could have sent someone else to fetch. Even your sacrifice means diddly, cause you could just have another follower do it, or you could send in Fawkes, the one -immune- to radiation and have him do it, but he won't just cause. At least in NV it's clear you're actively turning the tide for whoever you join, and if you go independent then you're literally a major crux of the story.

There wouldve been no comparison between 3 and NV if todd didnt fuck obsidian over. As it stands its still a technical mess like 3, but with better writing and lore. Imagine if Bethesda werent fucking jews

>>384240304
BUT YOURE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT IF YOU HELP THE BROTHERHOOD MAN

AWOOOOOO THIS IS THREE DAWG

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>>384240754
I've gotten bounty hunters on my back, they want my head for the "Evils" I have done. I heard this "Three Dawg" on the radio, talking shit about me the other day. I think it's about time I and mister Jack here payed him a visit

>>384240932
Is Three Dogg essential? If not, what happens if you kill him?

>>384241163
No, he's not, and he has 2 pieces of unique gear on him, even. All that happens is that some intern takes his place, and most of the annoying dialogue is replaced with her whining they need a replacement for 3 retard

>>384234168
>Where is 2?
>>384234383
He forgot, because it's shitty bait.

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>>384240932
>payed him a visit

It's "paid" you eejit

It's a good time killer and intro to the series.
I've played it once, beat the story and finished all of the sidequests and I don't see myself playing through it ever again.

>>384217057
>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?
Because in a real apocalypse the last fucking thing you'd do with your precious, scarce ammo is split it up and let it decay several times faster by handling it individually out of any oil or casing.

>>384241696
[Intelligence]
I was only pretending to be retarded

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>>384203403
I thought it was one of the worst in the series, but the important part is that you had fun with it, OP.

why the fuck do you people argue about this meaningless shit holy fuck just end it already

>>384244432
> Arguing about video games on a video game board

Nigger, what the fuck did you expect?

>>384210537
It's not 2019 yet.

>>384217057
>>all of the games are set well after a century after the nuclear war except for the first one which is still set 84 years after the war
>>despite this passage of time, civilization STILL hasn't recovered and the world is largely in a state of anarchy

Fallout 2 addresses this, as does some of New Vegas. In NV specifically, the area was ruled by tribes living as tribes do, until Mr. House's sensors detected the NCR approaching from the West, which triggered his awakening and his revitalization of the strip. It's never explicitly stated, but I believe the strip is only like ten years old for the events of the game.
Fallout 3 and 4 skirt around claiming the levels of radiation were too high until recently to support human life, but then contradict that, so I don't have an answer there.

>>automobiles were apparently fueled by nuclear power, something which could exist in the real world, except governments don't want everyone and their brother to have access to refined uranium, this fear apparently didn't exist in the Fallout world
>>despite automobiles running on nuclear power, there are still gas stations everywhere

Cont.
>>why was the period from the end of WWII up to the time of the Great War stuck in a cultural stasis with this 1950s Leave it to Beaver aesthetic, never changing, with everyone listening to 125 year old Billie Holliday songs?
>>how come no automobiles are operational anymore and yet in New Vegas you can resurrect a plane that's been at the bottom of a lake for 300 years with the intention of making it operational?
>>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?
>>why did no pre-war governments develop thermonuclear weapons and why do the nukes in Fallout produce an unrealistic amount of fallout?
>>robots with brains were being produced, and yet no one ever got around to making a computer with a GUI
>Face it, Fallout as a whole has never made any sense.

>>384244432
You right, Fallout New Vegas just better in everything. All this is just waste of time.

>>384217057
>>automobiles were apparently fueled by nuclear power, something which could exist in the real world, except governments don't want everyone and their brother to have access to refined uranium, this fear apparently didn't exist in the Fallout world
>>despite automobiles running on nuclear power, there are still gas stations everywhere

Fallout's pre war backstory has the Resource Wars, a sort of quasi-WWIII between the commonwealth of Europe (their EU) and the Middle East, which led first to the dissolution of the commonwealth and, eventually, most of Europe being destroyed a decade or so before the US and China destroy each other.
By the time of the war, gas had reached a grand a barrel, and the response to this shortage, albeit too late, was the development of nuclear powered cars. I don't have an answer for the question of everyone having access to refined Uranium- though I generally have assumed that along with the technology to miniaturize a nuclear reactor without an extensive cooling pool and system, they're also using a near-negligible amount of radioactive material.

>>384221093
FO4 is an improvement in every way except roleplaying and story, really. At least FO3's dumb story had some charm to it.

I feel like you like whichever Bethesda game you play first the most.

I mean, Fallout 3 and NV were pretty good, but for Elder Scrolls especially, Morrowind fags hate Oblivion fags, Oblivion fags tolerate Morrowind fags and hate Skyrim fags, meanwhile Skyrim fags are just blubbering idiots.

The games are all the same, they have slight differences and pros and cons, but at the end of the day the games are just shallow as fuck, once you've played through one you've done them all, the sequels are just shit in different colours.

Even now, I try to go back and play a Bethesda game I used to enjoy and it's just so fucking bland it's unreal.

>>384217057
>>why was the period from the end of WWII up to the time of the Great War stuck in a cultural stasis with this 1950s Leave it to Beaver aesthetic, never changing, with everyone listening to 125 year old Billie Holliday songs?

The answer to the question of the 50s aesthetic is simple: the Cold War never ended in the Falloutverse, and the fear of impending nuclear annihilation along with the failure to develop a counterculture (which in our America was fueled primarily by the sentiment that we were engaged in needless wars, a sentiment not shared in the falloutverse) led to an oppressive atmosphere of fear and dread.
I can't answer why all their songs are recycled, maybe they were going through a genre revival and that's what everyone wanted to hear, so those were the holotapes common when the war occurred.

>>how come no automobiles are operational anymore and yet in New Vegas you can resurrect a plane that's been at the bottom of a lake for 300 years with the intention of making it operational?

The Boomers salvaged parts from one bomber to use in their mostly intact, already existing museum piece.

>>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?

The same reason paper dollars are used in lieu of gold. Someone decided that they wanted to be able to buy and sell with a placeholder of an established value, bottlecaps were plentiful, hard to replicate, and tough enough to last, so that stuck.

>>why did no pre-war governments develop thermonuclear weapons and why do the nukes in Fallout produce an unrealistic amount of fallout?

It is never stated that fusion weapons do not exist, and it is explicitly stated that hollywood science (in this case the false belief of the time that all isotopes had decade or century half lives) exists in this universe.

>>384217057
>>robots with brains were being produced, and yet no one ever got around to making a computer with a GUI

GUIs were primarily created for consumer electronics, and later adapted for the military due to their convenience. Consumer electronics in the falloutverse didn't exist until like the 2040s, and weren't commonplace until just prior to the war, and were still reliant on vacuum tubes and other 20th century tech.
Though this raises the question of how the vacuum tubes lasted 200 years, which I can't answer, because I am not an engineer.

>>384203403
>I thought it was the best in the series.
Because you have absolutely no standards.

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>>384217057
>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies
Water merchants backed it. They stated this in fallout one then in two and I think new vegas
>how come no automobiles are operational anymore and yet in New Vegas you can resurrect a plane that's been at the bottom of a lake for 300 years with the intention of making it operational?
You could buy and use cars in fallout two. Obsidian likely had this idea but cut it due to time constraints.

>>384217057
>why are bottlecaps used as a currency instead of bullets or survival supplies?

Play the originals you fag

Bottlecaps were backed by clean water at the hub in Fallout 1. Every other game did it because it's unique and meme worthy

>>384246717
More like the limitations of gamebryo.....

>>384208546
Do you not know how radioactive half-life works?

>>384233782
HELLO THERE!
They say Syndicates of mutants are leading a boycott of Brotherhood of Steel goods, in the lands of the Ghouls
Goodbye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY41Q1FYokQ

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>Tfw your fo3 goty disc suffers data loss, so you contact bethesda hoping they'll comp you a steam code, and they offer to send you another disc that will have data loss instead

seriously guys, check your fo3 goty pc discs.
they might not work anymore
mine have 0 scratches, the data has just deteriorated

>>384230174
>have engine and assets already designed for them
>all they had to do was put everything together with imagination being the only limit
>cannot mange to do it within a generous timeframe
>has to be released without half the content
>have the gaming community praise it just to spite bestheda even though it ran worse then FO3 on launch
>encourage shitty practices by letting developers off the hook when they cannot make a complete game instead of just boycotting them
>somehow this is all bethesda's fault

>>384248794
Do you have any idea how much work around they had to do/figure out to force the engine to do what they wanted?

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>>384203403
It's not the best but it's a hell of a lot better than fallout 4 , especially when it come to weapons since Bethesda brutally murdered automatics and melee combat in 4

>>384248489
This is why you don't store shit on disks, or flashdrives for that matter.
You got any precious family photos or legal documents, you back that shit up on real storage devices.

>>384249421
Do you have any idea how many developers would of loved to work for bethesda that they would of put up with the wonky unstable engine

How is it bethesda's fault when obsidian took the deal

>play Fallout3 for 100s of hours even though its shit
>play NV for 2h and get bored with it even though it is objectively better

>>384212057
>>384205074
>>384206284
>>384208383
>bethesdrones

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>>384203734
>>384204035

>>384250005
>would of
Underage opinion discarded.

>>384206906
this

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I could not give Fallout 3 another go, too many features missing. But I badly wanted to run through all it's quests once again.

I installed Tales of Two Wastelands and it was the best decision ever. I'm currently enjoying both Fallout 3 and New Vegas in one game.

>TTW 3 is still not done, after 8 months of development

>become interested in f3 modding
>its modding scene dead
>check nv mods instead
>its fucking dead too
Why are there no lore friendly creature mods with cool enemies and shit? They're all fucking retarded autistic deviantart tier shit.

>>384252696
>tfw never saw joshua graham

>>384203554

Not only that but it doesn't even make sense using only the world of fallout 3. In new Vegas we know how the people survive (farms, water systems, mutants were killed by the vault dweller for the most part, raiders exist but for the most part stay outta the Legion or NCR's way, electricity from the dam, no radiation in the water, etc). It makes sense also when it comes to enemies like deathclaws and cazadors. They avoid interacting with humans and usually when you see one enemy it makes sense you will see more. Like the one place with 30 something deathclaws.

In fallout 3 the water is basically poisoned, super mutants are running wild, deathclaws spawn anywhere, rivet City is right next to DC, there's no farms, there's no dam for electricity and people rely solely on scavenging. This is 200 years after nuclear war and people are still barely surviving. This makes no real sense why one raider group or super mutant army won't just take over.