Project M died for this.

>>384200591
don't know what that is, but good
project m was for the faggiest of fags

>>384200591
project m was the most overrated garbage fans have ever produced

like its almost superwholock-tier awful

>>384200730
Project M developers put together a development studio and made this new F2P smash clone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVdoDlsN-A

So no, now everything is going to get worse.

>>384200873
>a game neither of us is going to play is coming out and a game i hate is leaving forever
don't see how this is "getting worse"

>>384200730
>>384200835
>>384200963
t. losers with no friends

Literally nobody who actually plays the game with friends likes Project M, and literally nobody who played Brawl after playing PM with friends liked brawl.

>>384200983
if i want to play a party game with my friends, i play mario party

>>384200983
PM is for faggots.

>>384200873
those hit sounds are fucking ass

>>384200963
Jesus anon did Project M rape and kill your family or something? It's just a fucking game chill out lmao

>>384200983
>*heavy breathing* h-hey man, wanna come over and play smash bros? it's, like, not the same thing, though. it's MODDED and BETTER. you have discerning taste, right? *snort*

>>384200873
sound design really could do with some work

overwatch's aesthetic influence is an odd choice, but hey it's popular so why not try to mindlessly rip it off

Unfortunately I think the appeal of this type of game is nintendo characters. People aren't in smash for the gameplay alone like that

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>>384200591
>Project M is dead and nobody will touch its corpse
>Smash 4 will never get a PM-tier mod because of fear that Nintendo will shut it down
>Melee is slowly dying and getting removed from minor events like Japan's EVO in favor of fucking ARMS
And of course Sakurai would never decide to make another Melee-like game because he hates fun

Honestly PM was flawed as hell and pretty jank in places but it was my favorite Smash game to play casually. The gameplay was almost as good as Melee's and it had a larger roster, more stages that aren't garbage like half of Sm4sh's, and shit like All-Star Versus. And the devs just burned it all down and cunts like Nanobuds went out of their way to stop that PMCC group from continuing where they left off. I don't know if PMCC would've ended up good but they killed it before we even got a chance to see.
Everything fucking sucks.

>>384201260
>how DARE you use hyperbole
but also PMfags wouldn't be annoying as all hell if they didn't treat it like the second coming of jesus + accepted the fact that smash is pretty fucking casual and a party game (doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's not fun, but please call a spade a spade)

>>384201442
>>384201442
But Project M has the best casual game modes of any smash game

All Star Versus Random + No-Boundary Stamina Mode + Turbo Mode = infinite fun

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>all of the characters are just shameless rip offs of smash characters
>the sword lady is marth
>the green guy is literally ganon, he even has the fucking flame choke
WHY DID THEY EVEN MAKE A STANDALONE GAME THEN?

>>384201526
then why are the only people that ever bring up Project M tryhard tourneyfags

>>384201549
I guarantee you it was money

>Meleefags even more assblasted

I'm fucking glad.

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>>384201549
because nintendo called them out for modding the everloving shit out of their game and served a cease & desist.

>>384201580
Because casuals don't talk about videogames, because they don't revolve their lives around playing videogames.

>>384200983
>its great with friends

>>384201731
they never served a c&d, the team shut down voluntarily

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>>384200873

>that gameplay
>using the exact same moves as smash bro
>literal final destination

They didn't even try apart for the character models

>>384201442
>accepted the fact that smash is pretty fucking casual and a party game
A game is only as casual as you make it. It's true that Melee being as mechanically interesting as it is was an accident, but it was a happy accident and there's no reason not to play it competitively if you get enjoyment out of doing so.
The idea that you can only play a game the way it was intended by the devs is a dumb one.

>>384201869
oh. thanks m8. was the cease and desist thing for that metroid game that some other team was making?

>>384201836
>A multiplayer party/fighting game is fun alone
That being said, it still has the best singleplayer content of any smash game, too, because it has Subspace Emissary with improved gameplay.

>>384201731
i harshly don't care for pokemon, but man what a great .gif

kudos

>>384200873
So it turns out when all you know is smash bros, you can only make smash bros.

>Make a Smash clone
>Literally copy/paste Melee movesets
Why would anyone play this instead of Melee then? What's the appeal here?

>>384201417
I think Sakurai wanted to make a game that had more than 3 viable characters and not based mostly on glitches/bugs/broken controllers

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>>384201972
disagree, the subspace emissary was fine as long as you werent a complete retard.

also
>playing emissary for the gameplay

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I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HOW BAD IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW

WHERE IS MY MOTHERFUCKING PROJECT M LUCARIO CLONE CHARACTER?

THERE'S A FOX/MARTH/GANON CLONE I WANT MY PM RYU CLONE

>>384201442
competetive melee is observably not casual though. If it was, the skill ceiling would be really low, which it isn't

>>384202016
ahaha thanks! alolan meowth has the personality of a spoiled child model and i love it.

>>384202180
Project M SE is objectively superior to Brawl SE, what you said hardly disproves that. Also, SE is better than any other smash game's singleplayer.

>>384201549
>shameless ripoffs of smash characters
The entire point is to appeal to the competitive melee community. Brawlhalla and Rivals of Aether suck. Hopefully the wavedash guys can finally make a platform fighter that stands up to melee.

>>384201950
nintendo c&ds everything. yes, they did c&d the metroid game. this was bound to be c&d'd and rather than deal with any legal repercussions or looking bad they just shut down before it happened.

>>384202335
Rivals of Aether is actually really good, it's just not as good as Melee or PM.

>>384202093
To escape Nintendo!

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>>384202205
I personally want PM squirtle back

>>384201950
nintendo has c&d a lot of fan projects. yeah, "another metroid 2 remake" was one of the victims

>>384202335
How do you appeal to them when your game is just Melee: Badly designed Overwatch edition?

>>384202332
Yeah, if you could actually PLAY the damn thing. Thing gets stuck at the end of the fox/diddy level. And no i'm not talking about the pitch black room that you need to blow up.

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>>384202205
>>384202453
>Not lucas
pleb

>>384201442
>doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's not fun

Then why do people shit on Overwatch or any modern vidya?

>>384200873
...thats literally smash bros down to the animations. isn't it plagiarism at that point?

God, I just realised
>Tournaments can finally kill off Melee
>Without Nintendo's money or fans it will have no money or views
>They can legitimately cancel it when the same four players win for the 20th time
>Melee players will finally go home and shower

>>384202335
based on that trailer it's gonna suck ass but ok

>>384202307
do you know how many times sakurai has stated his abhorrence for the fgc and its community?? he has said smash is meant to be a casual game.

additionally melee had so little QA testing that theres so many bugs that dont exist in brawl onward simply because they were able to fine-tune the game.

competitive melee is literally just exploiting bad coding, and no amount of "B-BUT M-MUH L CANCEL AND W-WAVEDASHING" will change the fact that none of that shit is actually intended for use.

>>384202840
>competitive melee is literally just exploiting bad coding
This. Don't forget the broken controllers

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Project M's best characters were all original characters. The game will be good once it gets new non-melee clones.

>>384202647
its disgusting isent it?

>>384200873
God, the animations and sound design needs a LOT of work.

>>384202107
Wanting to improve the balance of your game is fine, but he didn't do that, he made Brawl, and have you EVER seen someone use a character that isn't Meta Knight or Diddy Kong in Brawl? Melee has a lot more variety even if there are 4-5 characters that are objectively top-tier, you can easily see people using lower-tier characters like Yoshi/Ganondorf/Pikachu/etc.
>glitches/bugs
Wavedashing isn't a glitch, it's a physics exploit
>broken controllers
You got me there but you don't have to destroy the sequel's gameplay if all you want is to make inputs less complicated.
Honestly they could remove wavedashing and L-cancelling from Melee and I would still find it fun as hell to play, but that's not just what Sakurai did, he completely gutted the game and made it slower and more bland. The fact that people who play Smash 4 use two stocks instead of 4 is really telling of how much slower the game is. And let's not forget shit like tripping in Brawl and Smash 4 removing edgeguarding in favor of every ledge being a magnet.

>>384202840
that's all true, but the result of those glitches and whatnot is what has caused the game to end up being super competitive.

>>384200730
Except it was actually fun. I bet you didn't even play it. You are probably just a memeing shitposter faggot.

>>384202982
Kidd is actually a fusion between Wolf and Fox. He does something resembling Wolf's side-b in the trailer

>>384201293
It's amazing how anti-melee shitposters are actually worse than pro melee shitposters.

>>384201731
Wasn't it just that they didn't want people streaming or host large tourneys with that game? So they put a stop to that.
And when people could no longer stream or attentionwhore with the tourney fags, they quit.

>>384203080
i have and Brawl- was a million times better, faggot

>>384200873
they literally stole animations what the fuck

>>384203073
that doesnt fucking matter? the game is essentially unfinished and shouldnt have a competitive scene in the first place because of that.

its not so much the casual->competitive shift thats stupid, but the reasoning behind it.

>>384202840
So momentum carrying into jump is bad coding, and not being able to recover for free is also bad coding? And Brawl has more bugs than Melee.
Why are tr4shfags so retarded?

>>384202840
l cancel is a mechanic thats it coded into the game. Wavedashing is the result of multiple mechanics working together. Namely, aerial dodging makes your character move really fast in the air and adds momentum(and then instantly killing at the end of the animation) and sliding, which is a normal thing that happens in the game. Wavedashing is merely what happens when you do both at the same time, because the game allows you to do that. Why do you think wavedash isn't possible in brawl or smash for? because air dodging has no direction input, no momentum.

>>384202402
art style was pretty trash
like some kids offbrand toy based of a Nickelodeon show at 3am about furries.

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>>384203535
mad that video games are supposed to be fun meleefag?

>>384200873
>those dreadful character designs
>those movesets lifted from smash
>that not-lucina
>those dreadful hit sounds
>literally final destination

Phew lads
Guaranteed to fail; you don't have to be a genius to realize the Nintendo roster is a big part of why Smash is successful.

Also
>lightning fast gameplay!
>shows a series of slow attacks by fighting game standards

Sad

>>384203529
that makes no sense. a game shouldn't be competitive just because it's pre-baked to you as something competitive. It has to be organic. This is why MOBAs and Overwatch are shit.

>>384203562
the input for wavedashing is illegitimate because the fact of the matter is that air dodging was never meant to have DI in the first fucking place.

>>384202602
This
https://youtu.be/4KLCyGIdrl4

>>384203643
I guess Sonic 4 is a good game then.

>>384200591
project m was a pinnacle of a gaming community, and what gaming should be about. For us, by us. The hate this is getting is ridiculous, you should all be ashamed.

>>384203529
reality is all that matters. People took the broken ass game and used it for enjoyment in a new way. this is the reality. It doesn't matter what the creators plans were.

It's like getting mad at the speedrunning community for finding exploits and tricks to get through games because they weren't supposed to be there

>>384200873

I can't wait for Sony to re-package it and sell it as a console exclusive.

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>>384200873
This is just sad

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>>384203779
>air dodging was never meant to have DI in the first fucking place.
>This is the kind of retard that hates Melee

>>384201293
Not a single one of my friends prefers brawl over pm after playing pm

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>>384204023
except it actually wasnt

>>384203779
That argument is fucking retarded "it wasn't supposed to be this way!". The point is, it is, and the airdodging DI helps a lot of characters, not just for wavedashing purposes. If you took off wavedashing you'd be neutering the cast and making spacies even stronger.

why would they call this game icons when everyone is a literal who

>>384203061
>Wavedashing isn't a glitch, it's a [exploit]
Excuses

>>384200873
I'm real sick of the Overwatch artstyle

>>384200873
How do I report this to Nintendo?

>>384203061
Hax$(melee's true saviour) fixed controller lottery. Look up melee 1.03

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>>384200873
Can this artstyle and type of character design just fuck off and die already

>>384200873
>Meleefags make a game
>It's as boring and sterile as Smash is when you ban all the stages and items
WEW

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>>384203930
its not the fact they enjoy it, its the fact that they parade it around as the pinnacle of fighting games, even though many many newer and better games exist, and refuse to give sm4sh or brawl a single chance because it doesnt include the broken mechanics melee had.

if they could find a way to make broken-ass melee fun, they could certainly find a way to make brawl and sm4sh fun. but naw, instead they decide to wear their rose colored glasses every single time they turn on their gamecub, and thats what the problem is.

pic related its me surrounded by these melee/pmfags

>>384202840
retard

>>384204415
This. I bet this game won't even have items because MUH BALANCE.

>>384200873
I don't understand, if you're just gonna plagiarize an already existing game why don't you just stick to modding your OC characters and stages into it?

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>>384204101
Being able to airdodge in a direction was in the fucking Manual

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>>384204554
*gamecube
i am a faggot
>>384204569
nice

>>384204415
>he thinks good players will suddenly stop being good just because items are on

if someone plays tourneys regularly and you pull the "play with items on" bullshit you are just giving them more ammo to own you harder.

I'm pretty active in brawl modding right now, PM stopped because if anyone even so much as adds knuckles to lxp, even if they make it from scratch the people on the pm team are in legal danger, mods can't continue PM or make their planned/leaked content. That's as much as I could shake out of anyone.

>>384200873
I don't think I've ever seen a more limp video game in all my life.

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>>384200873
>just copypaste Melee with shitty donut steel OCs
>that Marth clone doing athe Ken Combo

Can't they at least be subtle about it?

>>384204653
im pretty fucking sure i read somewhere it originally wasnt supposed to exist, but when it came time to submit it they had no choice but to write it into the manual.

you do remember just HOW rushed it was right?

>>384204721
What the fuck are you even saying you retarded nigger? Did you read the post you're replying to?

>>384204554
I play both sm4sh and brawl regular while in college. I "gave them a chance" as you put it. Both games are painfully slow and brawl in specific has a shit ton of glitches and exploits of it's own.

>>384204619
they got DMCA'd because nintendo wanted smash 4 at evo

>>384204721
It's not about giving shit players an advantage retard. It's about chaotic fun.

>>384204817
Bitch doesn't even just do the Ken combo, she also fucking Nairs
They couldn't even redo Marth's fucking Nairs

>>384204554
the thing is, even minus the glitches melee has more speed, weight and hitstun than the later entries in the series, which I think a lot of meleefags find boring about the later ones.

>FUCK YOU NINTENDO WE WANT MELEE 2 BRAWL AND SMASH 4 ARE SHIT
>well we're not nintendo but we'll make our own melee 2 okay? pls support us
>FUCK YOU WE WANT NINTENDO CHARACTERS NOT THIS WHERE'S MARIO WHERE'S PAMPERCHU WHERE'S SONICHU I WANT MY MOMMY
When will Meleefags just be honest and admit they're massive nostalgiafags?

>>384205134
They were making a melee 2 with project m, then they gave up for no reason.

>>384204884
What are you on about, m8?

What POSSIBLE excuse could people have for playing with items on besides them being an "equalizer"? Items aren't fun to play with, you toss a green shell once, you've done it a billion times. Trash like you always come up with the same excuse for items and you're always wrong. The game is objectively better with items off.

>>384205134
It's just why the fuck would I play this over Melee when it's just a F2P clone?

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>>384203529
>the game is essentially unfinished and shouldnt have a competitive scene in the first place because of that
If "finishing" the game would have made it worse, then why would you want it to be finished?
Honestly there are some things that could be ironed out or even removed, I don't think many people would complain if wobbling disappeared, but if they're going to dumb down the game on top of just polishing it then it's better that they stopped where it is.
>>384204554
>refuse to give sm4sh or brawl a single chance
A lot of Melee players also play Smash 4 at tournaments even if it's not their main focus, same with PM for the tournaments that aren't gay babies who banned it so they could suck up to Nintendo. Personally I gave Smash 4 a chance and played it for like a year but I never enjoyed it as much as Melee or PM so I eventually stopped. I played Smash 4 on /v/eekends for a while but then even those died because they apparently moved to some circlejerk Discord chat. Smash 4 just feels more "safe," attacks don't have the same impact as Melee, shit like infinite air-dodging and ledge trumping make recovery super easy, etc. I can get SOME enjoyment out of Smash 4, sure, and I like playing as Duck Hunt and Robin, but other than the fact that it has populated online I don't see any reason to play it over Melee or Project M.

>>384205134
if anything, he melee communities reaction o sd remix and Pm proves that melee players dont want ANY changes to thier shitty game. they really enjoy thier bland game.

>>384205008
Smash is already chaotic with free for all 4 player matches.

And fun isn't an argument, because I don't have fun with items on.

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>>384204884
>I-I read it somewhere
>No source

Fuck off you retard.

>>384205302
wrong post, friendly. but im still gonna reply because youre wrong. it doesnt make the game better, it makes it more competitive.

>>384205427
People really liked PM, though, it just had some terrible balancing issues

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>>384200873

>>384205427
Melee wants modders to not touch top 8 and buff the rest of the cast.

>>384205562
u see i didnt wanna start a discussion, but my curiosity gets the better of me, what are these supposed balancing issues with pm?

>>384203529
>the game is essentially unfinished and shouldnt have a competitive scene in the first place because of that.

Then fighting games wouldn't exists if we followed your dumbass logic.

>>384205624
>>384200873
Asking unironically: is this allowed? Could Nintendo take this down if they wanted to?

>>384205624
The Ganon clone has some awful animations
>No build up
>Just hit and lag a shit ton

I'd be interested in seeing these moves right next to their PM equivalents.

>>384205562
that and nintendo and mr. whiz killed it.

>>384203529
Did you forget that combos were at one point a development mistake?

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>>384204554

Project M reminded me of Hisoutensoku+, what with how no could agree on how the game should be balanced.

>>384205475
>Your argument is invalid because I exist
Go back to 2010 where you belong

>>384205691
they basically did that in earlier versions of pm and melee players literally complained that thier top tier characters couldnt win as easily. meleefags are unnaturally hosile to any change

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Project M's character movesets are very hit&miss. Some are really well designed and others are god awful.

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>>384205624
The REAL problem with smash clones: animation
Need that Smash pulse for impact, speed, energy on movement.

>those characters
>"realistic" designs

why would you not go cartoony? also the name..jesus

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>>384200591

the way the characters are animated here are basically what the unfinished characters for Project M looked like in the unreleased build, do you people not understand "pre-alpha"

doesn't excuse this sterile lol/blizzard art style everyone and their mother keeps copying
and holy shit what is that name.

>>384205725
The problem with project m's balancing is it's original philosophy: you can't nerf fox because then people will bitch and moan for eternity, so the answer is just to buff everyone else.

That didn't work out so good and characters ended up very gimmicky and most had death touch/kill confirmed combos. It's like if everyone had wobbling.

With each new version they started nerfing character to be more at marth/sheik/falcon/peach level. (strengths overshadow their weaknesses, but they can still be exploited), except some characters stayed un-nerfed so now we got melee's balancing problem all over again.

>>384204415
but NOBODY plays Smash for the characters, they are just functions, so Fox is not there but we have characters that have the same moves, so you should all love it regardless

>>384205725
3.02 had some real fucking issues with balancing in that a lot of the new characters were all stupidly good, at least Fox tier, and that was before people started really optimizing their play with them. I can't remember specifics but there was some huge issues.

3.05 mostly fixed that, but then it had a problem where certain characters had shit tier matchups against half of the cast, and the only way to fix said matchups would be to radically change the characters. Most notably Puff.

>>384206093
isnt the best player on PM netplay main a zard main?

this tier list is deceptive and false

>>384200983
Please every one of my friends and I prefers Pm
Stop projecting

>>384202107
It's literally 16 years old. Obviously a newer game would have better balance. They made smash 4 is basically brawl 2. So why can't they make melee 2? But you are probably just a crybaby who wants more hand holding in games so you are ok with there being a brawl 2 huh. Floaty,little to no edge guarding,low skill ceiling,little to no advanced tech, Sounds like the perfect game for you huh

>>384206609
It's not a tier list, it's a "character design" analysis list.

Zard is a terribly designed character, he's not fun to play or fight against.

The characters at the top are the most fun to play, the most fun to fight, and have low skill floors and high skill ceilings. They're also balanced.

>>384206093
God, Bowser was such shit
>Let's give all of his attacks super armor

>>384206609
Being well designed doesn't mean you are strong/weak. Charizard is badly designed because he is overpowered.

>>384206760
Puff is shit tier against anything but Melee cast.

The gameplay looks fine, but animations and sound is mediocre, and the characters are fucking abominations.

>>384204157
The original concept of combos was an exploit. But you wouldn't know that would you stupid trash 4 faggot.

>>384206768
I used to main bowser, until i started playing against people who knew what they were doing and started getting owned. Trust me, super armor is of minimal help for bowser and he is still low tier, almost bottom in this game.

>>384206379
Except we dont because unlike melee , we sill have character variety in our top 8. just look at the op 8 of our most recent major and tell me how many repeating characters you see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBPM/comments/6negt5/congratulations_to_the_winner_of_project_m_at_evo/?st=j57khzy1&sh=a39b1d72

>>384206530
>but NOBODY plays Smash for the characters
Then why did people lose their fucking minds when Cloud and Bayonetta were added? And why were people so assblasted K. Rool didn't get in?

>>384200873
Could be okay, but obviously not if it launches with so few characters. F2P, so I assume new characters will be added often, and there is someway to earn new ones for your own roster. They need something to set it apart from Smash though, and just having less interesting characters won't be that answer.

>>384206563
true, i will say that 3.6 fixed most (not all, obviously) if those problems

>>384206093
I agree except for Snake being well designed

>>384201915
That's because it's part of the "Not" series, with Bloodstained, Yooka-Layle, and Mightiy no. 9. The difference is that it has none of the original team of the game it's a """"spiritual successor"""" of.

>>384206839
how is zard op?

>>384205806
it really depends, but at this point, no they cannot.

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Why don't any of these shitty smash clones just, like, try to make a game where you just have a normal health bar.

>>384203241
>>384202647
honestly i can't fucking blame them at all

they made a free passion project mod that had community support, put endless hours of development into it just for the sake of making the smash tweaks they wanted to make as competitive players and nintendo shut it down because it was competing with a game that it wasn't a direct competitor to, I guess

the "THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEIR COPYRIGHT" shit has been debunked time and time again as being bogus

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>>384200873
The gameplay has potential, but everything else about it looks bloody awful. I hope it lives up to its "pre-alpha" claims and retools a bunch of shit when the beta opens.

>>384207168
>reddit
go back

>>384207545
I guess shouldn't say OP? He just eats all fast fallers alive.

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>>384205725

i mean people are just getting better at separating characters that excel from the ones you have to work harder for with the "gold" edition, ala melee's competitive progression, fast forwarded.

but 3.02 was the "buff everyone to fox levels" patch that made several matchups straight unwinnable shit like pit>falcon and gave birth to float mewtwo out of teleport shit

>>384207701
Smash has that. It's called stamina mode. No one plays it.

>devs want to make something not subject to Nintendos jew layers

>WAAAAAH PROJECT M DIED FOR THIS

The Smash Community, everyone.

Since when is /v/ so full of smash retards? Making fun of that flotsam was a tried and true passion for this place not that long ago. All you faggots trying to be the next Dylan Tgna make me sick

>>384201417
Nanobuds is an absolute raging asshole. I kinda know him in the Smash hacking circles and he acts like he's the emperor of Project M.

He not only shuts down any mere mention of unreleased content but he FORBIDS people from porting PM costumes to Smash 4 because only HE'S allowed to. I'm not fucking kidding.

>>384200591

Project M still exists though

You fucking babies

Just go back to play it, Melee fags never left Melee

>>384207709
It was Nintendo making the smart business move in that they didn't want to compete with PM when releasing Sm4sh. It was shit to the consumers, but for Nintendo's bottom line the right choice.

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>>384200873
>Project M had a following
>Creators abandon their product to make a new icon for themselves which no one will ever play since it looks real bad, ironically also named icon

they had a good thing going. I never played project M but i have friends who did and they ate that shit up.

Its a shame too, but not really. they had it coming

Has anyone here heard Armada and Leffen's disscussion on Project M's balance philosophy and why it ended up just producing a bunch of shitty characters? I'm not sure if either of them put it on YouTube but I think they brought up valid points against PM, and they were both top PM players when they played it too.

>>384201549
of course Gordon Ramsay would be pissed
he follows the PM twitter

>>384201417
>Project M is dead and nobody will touch its corpse

Tell that to the thriving scene that regularly has 200-300 man major events.

>>384200873
Is anyone in smash community excited for this? Its pretty much smash with oc and cuts off the extra content that makes smash fun. it begs to question why play this when you can play smash either competitively or casually.

>>384208061
PMfags are obviously not half as autistic as meleefags

>>384208196
They played it last in 2014. Their commentary was shit.

>>384206149
This is what makes smash feel so good to play. All 4 of them. Animations, Sound Design and Physics coming together in delicious package.

>>384206149
>>384205813
it's PRE-alpha, it will look better further down the line
probably

They definitely shouldn't have shown it off this early, though. They fucked up and I hope this doesn't screw the game over

>>384208196

leffen thinks melee fox's shine is perfectly balanced, I'll never take him seriously

>>384208543
Every single argument leffen has against balance changes are the same tired "muh muscle memory, i can't adapt!"

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reminder Warchamp killed PM's development for this shit

>>384207709
Didn't they stop making Project M because they consulted with some lawyer who said to do so?

>>384208543
A Peach just won evo by far. Melee fox shine is balanced.

>>384205302
Honestly I think items are fun to use in Melee and PM because they're relatively balanced. Smash 4 is the game with the biggest focus on items but they also made the new items fucking TERRIBLE, shit like Galaga and that beetle thing that can OHKO and imbalanced Pokéballs/Assist Trophies. I sometimes use items in Melee and PM but I never touch items in Smash 4 when I play it.

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>>384208431
>it will look better further down the line
>beta later this year
I don't think so, Tim.

>>384200873
>basic copy and paste movesets
>all you do is hope your mechanical skill beats the other play because they hit a wrong input

>>384200873
>Project M developers put together a development studio and made this new F2P smash clone.


source? I thought it only had a handful of project M devs

>>384208681
Reminder that Warchamp is a total SJW faggot

>>384207709
Nintendo didn't shut it down directly, PM devs shut it down so they could make this new shit

>>384200873
>Have the option to make cute girls
>Don't
What is wrong with people? Do they not understand how much waifu appeal helps games?

>>384200873
This looks just plain terrible. The "no items" and "no hazards" goes against Smash's design philosophy of making a fighting game that's accessible to players of all skill levels. They're limiting their potential playerbase to the tourney crowd.

Not to mention the recognizable all-star roster Smash has is half the charm. Playing as generic nobodies is boring. Why not use popular indie characters?

>>384208543
It is somewhat balanced at the top level, although I don't think "perfectly balanced" is even close to the wording he used.

There's a reason it's not the only attack you see. It only has 1 active frame and awful range. And you only get the godlike conversions if you predict you'll hit and do the unsafe thing, waveshining forward instead of back.

It's obviously the best move in the game, but it's not a problem by any means.

>>384207186
He's shitposting, "characters are just functions" is from an interview by the guy directing the new Marvel v. Capcom when he was trying to defend no X-Men.
>If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions. They’re just doing things. Magneto, case and point, is a favorite because he has eight-way dash and he’s really fast, right? So our more technical players, all they want to do is triangle jump and that kind of stuff. Well guess what, Nova can do the same thing, Captain Marvel can do the same thing. Ultron can do the same thing. Go ahead and try them out.

>>384208923
>Do they not understand how much waifu appeal helps games?
This. You think I'm playing Street Fighter because I like it? I'm there for Juri.

How do i play project m?

>>384208943
>Why not use popular indie characters?

Rivals of Aether stole that gimmick. No chance in hell that Icons will get anyone good.

>>384208943
>Why not use popular indie characters?
This so much. Super Meat Boy had a bunch of extra playable characters from different indie games, so having an all-star roster of them for a fighting game is not out of the question.

>>384208782
You're mistaking Triple-A "free demo" betas with Indie Studio "The game basically works, but we need to polish it for 6 months" betas.

And it's in PRE-alpha. There's not a chance it will look or sound like this as a released product.

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>>384200873
>0:44
That's literally Marth

>>384209098
What

It's just a bunch of random animals

>>384209167
It's literally Project M: Lawyer Friendly Edition

>>384209167
They even have the same backstory. They're disgraced rulers from another land.

>>384209207
they got Ori in

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>>384200873
they're not even trying to make it not look like a smash clone

>>384200730
>>384200835
>>384200963
>>384201293
>>384201126
Holy shit the salt from Meleefags is astonishing.

>>384200873
ok so it's literally smash bros with a new skin. That kinda China-tier

>>384206379
In PMDT's defense, they actually DID nerf Fox/Falco very slightly and people like Mew2king bitched nonstop about it claiming it was going to RUIN the character. I think the most extreme thing they did was remove the shine's frame-1 invincibility so you can't just spam it like a retard without any fear of danger, and Fox is still an S-tier in the mod.

>>384208923
This

Make every character into a cute girl.

Turn fox into a girl
Turn falco into a tomboy
Turn Captain Falcon into a musclegirl
Turn Marth into a trap
Turn Jigglypuff into a loli
Turn PM Wolf into an evil girl
Turn PM Lucario into a fox girl
Turn Ganon into a big black dude
Keep sheik the same
Turn everyone into girls

>>384209095
look up project m netplay advanced user guide.

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>"Let me bring up a hypothetical to you. Let's say Wavedash and PM shutting down were 0% related, but that Wavedash was building PM as a standalone game. How would you feel? Purely hypothetical."
what did the creator of Project M mean by this?

>>384200873
so...they took smash, reskinned the maps and characters...and are releasing it?
isn't this copyright shit? thats literally marth with a recolor at :45

>>384208943
>Why not use popular indie characters?
But then what character would have not-fox, not-ganondorf and not-marth moveset? Silly anon.

>>384200873
It looks so boring. Let's play this instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVi0NDVnU

project m was shit anyway

>>384209420
Warchamp didn't create Project M, Dantarion was the genius that made everything about Project M god-tier.

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looks like they just wanted to continue making project M but not get C&D'd for it.

That's exactly what this is: Project M: Lawyer-proof edition

>>384209347
I neglected to mention that did happen. Yeah. It was a harmless change. Also, since brawl had like, some bs hardcoded input lag, project m has it too so fox is even easier to play as in pm and melee foxes can dominate hard.

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>>384209494
>not-Marth
eh, Drifter?

>>384209463
No, you see... This Marth is a girl.

>>384209709
fucking genius. Nintendo should take note.

>>384209095
projectmirror.no-ip.org

>>384208139
Project M is a super competitive oriented mod that requires a basic understanding of modding a smash game in the first place to play it, Smash 4 is going to be played by everyone that owns a wii-u.

It's like the AM2R argument, do you really think people aren't going to buy the official game if a vaguely similar mod exists?

>>384209562
Damn, characters really ARE just functions.

>>384206093
>favorites to play as in PM are Ivysaur/Wolf/ZSS
Well at least two out of three are considered well-designed. I don't play at a high level though, what's wrong with ZSS? I think her heavy use of the stun gun is a lot more interesting than her Smash 4 redesign, and some of her crazy knockback attacks like her Up+B pulling an opponent downward are fun to combo with.

>>384209709
then its lucina

>>384209846
ZSS just has god-awful animations and sound design. She's really wonky.

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DEOXYS WAS GOING TO BE SHULK BUT GOOD IN PM GODDAMN IT.

WHY DID THIS HAVE TO HAPPEN PM WAS MY FAVORITE GAME.

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>>384209904
No you see... This Lucina has Marth's Melee moveset

>>384210016
Deoxys wasn't going to be in PM you tosser

>>384209956
At least they made Samus fucking good.

Samus was good in melee and proceeded to get dumpstered completely when they introduced ZSS, I'd assume because it'd be weird if Samus was a fast character when ZSS is supposed to be Samus "more agile without her suit"

>>384201296
Looks nothing like Overwatch. Much more like LoL.

>>384209956
I guess that's fair. I might be too busy jerking off to her Justin Bailey alt to notice, which is my own fault.

>>384209098
That game only has a single guest character though. I'm talking the entire roster being indie characters. They could've started small and built the game's credibility up to eventually get big name 3rd party characters in.

>>384209494
True. Creating unique move-sets to set it apart from Smash would've required effort.

>>384209420
Warchamp was literally just the website boy. He didn't do shit for PM.

>>384210127
Except he was.

>>384209812
Yes? You're going to be stealing oxygen from the hype machine and invite "but an indie studio did it better" comparisons.

There's basically no world where PM doesn't cost Nintendo money, same with AM2R. Look at the shit that Nintendo got for "ripping off" AM2R by announcing their remake.

>>384210016
>Deoxys

? I had only heard about Knuckles/Lyn/Isaac. When did Deoxys come in? Because that shit sounds BROKEN.

>>384200591
>>384200873
Needs more effects on the attacks and more waifus. Overwatch understood that if you throw in waifus and husbandos but don't lay it on too thick you'll attract both pro and anti waifu people.

>>384210267
Down B was going to be Transform. With his different Forms and shit.

He was going to be added after the Advance wars girl and pichu bros.

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>>384200873
Am I the only one who thinks the GAMEPLAY looks solid on this but just needs more polish? The character designs are okay too but the actual art-style and textures are just bland. If it had an art-style like Gigantic or like GG Xrd, it would maybe be better.

>>384210256
Hell no, dude
the people that care enough about a game to play mods are big fans by necessity, and they're going to play the official game if it's any good if only to see how it is.

Did Fortress Forever impact TF2 in ANY meaningful way, despite specifically being intended to serve as a TF2 alternative and not a side project to serve a niche?


>>384208740
>>384208905
It's a common Nintendo practice but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong

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>>384204884
>blown the fuck out
>"i...i remember reading it somewhere, I swear!!!"

people like you are why this board is garbage. you talk out of your ass with nothing to back it up.

>>384209463
They took the big movesets and maps of comp melee and adjusted them slightly. It makes sense considering it's supposed to be their spiritual successor to Melee but how the fuck are they going to get away with that for like the 30 characters Project M had?

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>>384206093
lol all these opinions are fucking retarded, im not gonna go into detail on each character unless someone asks but like how are you making these opinions if you arent relevant in the competitive scene at all???

>>384210140
>smash brawl comes out
>samus nerfed, zss super strong
>sm4sh comes out
>samus nerfed harder, zss gets buffed (relatively to the cast)
>smash 5 comes out
>samus is removed from the cast, zss is the new fox

>>384210401
>Pichu Bros
>Advance War Girls
When was this leaked? I mean, Knuckles Lyn and Isaac were being worked on for years and those weren't finished. How were they working on even more?

What are the odds Nintendo will dig through this looking for stolen assets?

>people think its a bad thing that that fans made an original game in the same genre and not fan-game using Nintendo shit that would have been shut down anyway.

Really? ...REALLY?

>>384210565
because it's not a tier list, obviously.

I like how the Project M devs made all these changes for characters and ran into the very issue that everyone saw coming: namely, buffing everyone else and leaving the already OP characters alone makes the entire roster a shitfest.

As interesting as Project M was, it really felt like they just wanted the 'Melee' experience without actually rebalancing the top tier characters from that game. Can't have your cake and eat it too, after all.

It's probably going to be the same exact issue if Melee HD ever comes to pass. The characters will definitely be tweaked and rebalanced and the community will shit all over it because they're too used to Fox and Sheik.

>>384210016
Grey Fox wasn't planned but was considered

if you look into the leaked files of 4.0, you'll see stock icons for speedy motherfucker

>>384210603
They decided who they wanted to be in the game from the time they made bowser bigger (and then later shrunk him)

One of the later characters were going to be Little Mac, but then they cancelled him after he was announced for Smash 4.

>>384200591

If you told me this character was from battleborn, I wouldn't blink. Where the hell is this aesthetic coming from?

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>>384200591
REMINDER OF THE #1 MISTAKE THESE PEOPLE MADE
>made in Unity instead of Unreal 4
There's no way they'll be able to not make it look poverty as fuck. Unity's shit.

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>>384210592
>Smash 6
>ZSS is literally a Spacie

>>384210529
>people like you are why this board is garbage
says the smashbabby

>>384210779
FUCK I JUST REMEMBERED THIS TOO.
GOD DAMN IT.

I bet he had a raiden skin too, god fucking damn it

>>384200873
>western character design

>>384210523
Did anyone play Fortress Forever? The answer is no.

If Nintendo puts out Sm4sh, people prefer PM, and they don't buy extra copies or the DLC they lost money. If Sm4sh gets compared poorly to PM, they lose money. It is quite literally their competition, for when someone invites their friends over and they play PM instead of Sm4sh because "it's stupid and broken in comparison" they're not likely to buy their own copy of Sm4sh.

>>384210401
>He was going to be added after the Advance wars girl and pichu bros.
>pichu bros
that was a fake PM leak, don't bother with that shit
also, Johnny R. said Skull Kid was just bait for the leaker by the PMDT, meaning he was out too.

>currently a massive drama centered around MvCI for calling characters "functions" and not really caring about the sentimental value of the characters themselves to players, only what they can do in the game
>Project M team makes Melee with the same "functions" but none of the characters people love
Oh yeah, I'm sure that'll work out for you. 99% of the appeal of smash is the Nintendo skin on it. Take the gameplay and slap generic awful character designs on it and you have a recipe for trash. Guess they realized that so they made it F2P so third worlders, Russians and Chinese will still play it

>>384210678
Please explain to me what the actual tangible difference is between Icons and a fan game.

>>384210401
>>384210603

there were 7 slots that they were able to use for the clone engine, something about exploiting the actual unfinished characters from brawl

roy, mewtwo, lyn, sami (Pic here >>384206220
), issac and knuckles were the only ones they made work on, 7 was considered to be a number of things, like dark samus, deyoxys, ridley and others.

>>384210979

buddy sami was real.

>>384202107
Sakurai could've easily gone the Project M route though since PM made many characters in the roster viable and also made doing the inputs easier while recognizing the fun glitches that made the movement better as an actual mechanic (like he did for l-cancelling for some reason). He just chose not to because the Wii era and beyond is catering to ultra casuals and soccer moms.

>>384211005
Did you ignore the whole "made by Project M developers" thing or...?

>>384207709
Anon, those animations haven't been changed. It isn't their own work.

>>384210961
>Did anyone play fortress forever? the answer is no?

I'd wager more people gave Fortress Forever a shot at some point than gave PM a try simply because the installation is easier.

PM is specifically supposed to be more competitive, less wacky fun that anyone can get into. It's not a direct competitor to Smash 4, don't be dumb.

>>384211037
>>buddy sami was real.
can you read my post? i was talking about the "Pichu Bros" leak

>>384210979
Yeah but Grey Fox was on that """Fake Leak""" too and he had actual coded data. Which, I wouldn't put it past the PMDT for fucking with us like that, but the evidence on both size is hefty. Pichu bros being a real thing can also be referenced to the fact that they had Ike Climbers working really well.

>>384211132
I don't think you understand my post.

>>384210750
but how can you know if a character is well-designed without being good at/understanding the game whatsoever?

>>384211005
It's now made by an official studio with a new IP and engine instead of Nintendo's characters and engine. Retards ITT are saying they literally copy and pasted animations too, which wouldn't be possible to do from Smash to this game most likely.

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>>384211172

right, whoops.
i suck cocks.

>>384200873
There have been plenty of smash clones out there, how is this any different?

And why are they ripping characters whole movesets and peddling it off as their own? Am I supposed to be impressed by their revolting laziness?

>>384200591
Project M is basicaly fox only final destination. Who the fuck cares about that.

>>384211176
see >>384211172

fucking Johnny R. said Pichu Bros wasn't happening at all. let it go.

>>384211284
Someone needs to side by side that Ken Combo with PM, because I'm almost certain that the animations are identical.

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>>384206093
Why is Link mid-tier in design quality but his clone needs a fundamental redesign?

>>384211353
I will still believe because the idea is worth sticking towards.

>>384209420
That's Warchamp?

>>384211385
They probably remade the animations, just like they had to do for Project M when they recreated every single Melee character's moveset to BRawl. They didn't just magically port it over. They used turbo autism motivation to remake it all.

>>384210678
>original game
there's the problem

>>384211445
Why is Wario "needs to be removed"? Someone not a fan of Wario Land?

>>384211506
>I will still believe because the idea is worth sticking towards.
sure go ahead. Pichu Bros. was actually a neat idea and concrete excuse to bring back Pichu desu.

>>384207701
Having a health bar would reduce the platform aspect of the game. Smash isn't strictly a fighting game, it's a platforming/fighting hybrid.

>>384211284
Wouldn't be possible? Of course it is. Rip from Smash, load into 3D animation software of your choice, then export to your "new IP". Also, to say that it's not a fan game because it's reskinned is pretty disingenuous. It's like saying Mother 4 isn't a fan game because it doesn't contain any Mother characters. It is in all ways trying to emulate the original creation because they are fans of the original. Characters in this game are near 1 to 1 clones from Smash Bros. If your only distinction between fan game and "real game" is the name on the box, you're a fool.

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>>384200591
>they actually fucking thought Melee was a good game and that a game based off it could possibly be successful
At least this will prove once and for all that the only reason melee is popular is stupid shits that just want to play the same shit over and over and over again like the fucking autists they are. Literally every melee player I know is genuinely, diagnosed autistic.

>>384211518
Yes.

>>384211620
Deoxys would really work too, especially with the form change mechanic.

>>384211697
It's gonna be a f2p game on steam, so it will always have a poverty mode community

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why are smash-likes all dogshit?

>>384211445
PM clones are basically completely different characters, except for maybe Falco.

>>384211157
Did you see any of the trailers they put out for PM? It had the fun casual stuff up in the forefront; it was very much meant to appeal to casuals as well as competitors.

And I'm doubtful people were playing another greenlight game that much. That and Steam has a whole different business plan; they get people playing so they can advertise to them. Nintendo doesn't benefit from that, especially when PM was on an old console

>>384211518
yup
and he looks chrischan as fuck too

>>384211891
Rivals is okay but the community sucks.

>>384211697
Sometimes old games can just have good gameplay.
>>384211891
Lack of budget and shit character designs. Rivals is alright if a bit simple but it also comes off as furry trash.

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>>384211891
remember when Touhou Smash "happened"?

>>384211005
This ain't Smash it is a new game with a similar setup buy a new studio. If Smash was Street Fighter this would be King of Fighters. This shit happens all the time why are people acting like this is strange or wrong?

>>384211891
They're not, people just don't like them as much because it doesn't have the bing-bing-wahoos. A couple are just low budget and shallow though like Brawlhalla.

>>384211929
>another greenlight game

fortress forever has been out since around TF2's release you mong, it was a reaction to TF2 being a radical departure from TFC. It was blatantly intended as "hey nerd, TF2 is lame play this shit if you want something like TFC"

if people are fans they're not going to avoid playing the main series game for a fan game in the vast majority, it's some serious justification to pretend otherwise.

>>384210592
Samus is fine in Sm4sh.She's not toptier and probably won't win any tournaments, but I have no problem stomping people in For Glory with her. It just takes a lot of practice and dedication.

>>384211697
oh wow an edgepost with a pic of someone drinking

how original

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>>384208681
>GimR is there
Of course he couldn't help but join this sell-out train

>>384200873
Yooka Laylee but with Memelee

>>384209395
>Turn Marth into a trap
He's already a trap, just look at Lucina

>>384212062
King of Fighters was not a literal exact copy of Street Fighter. It wasn't even similar. It's not that this is new, it's not strange, but that doesn't mean that people like or get excited by Chinese knockoffs. This looks like a low budget Asia region clone made by a studio who can't make a good original game so they have to steal someone else's game. It comes off as lazy and cheap, people don't like lazy and cheap products.

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>>384202205
I'm not actually good enough at my own game to make this all combo, but Surge's Ultimate is turbo mode, landing hits allows you to act instantly and also gives him his double jump back.

>>384202602
I got u both senpai

How the fuck to I make webms that are actually good quality. The colors are so off it's not even funny.

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>>384200873
This is chinese knockoff tier

>>384211697
Maybe it's because like, Melee has unique, fun gameplay that no other game has pulled off in a similar way but it's still an ancient game so most people have moved on except those that REALLY like it and obsession is a trait of autism

>>384212054
That guy was a massive faggot too
>I don't know why everyone is saying they can't wait to see Marisa's moves, no one said she's in
Like, you can hate Marisa with a passion, but not including her in a Touhou Smash is like making an actual Smash without Link

>>384212362
>Melee with supers
Oh no.

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>>384211891
It's the result of several microcommunites of rabid autists thinking they know their favorite children's party game better than anybody else

Why is ganondorf she hulk now?

>>384212105
But again, people wouldn't necessarily play the main series game. The whole issue started when people stopped playing the main series game and went to PM because the main series game sucked! Hell, you have plenty of melee players who don't even touch Sm4sh.

>>384212062

Because there isn't even an attempt to appeal to players outside core gameplay, which wasn't inspired by smash, it is smash. May as well just keep project M but put paper bags over the characters' heads labelled 'not [character]' with as much effort they appear to be putting into it.

>>384212354
Okay but you're basing all that off of some pre-alpha footage and I'd still rather see something new than a fan game.

>>384212593
on the other hand, let's look at how Sakurai fucked up even the party/misc aspects of Sm4sh

>game launches with Ganon AND Falcon
Why

>>384212786
Do you think that's anything near significantly affecting sales?

There are definitely people that played Fortress Forever and desperately clung to it as TF2 ballooned in popularity.

>>384209095
There are multiple ways, you can do it with just a copy of Brawl and an SD card if you don't have a hacked Wii though since there's an exploit in Brawl that lets you load mods through the stage creator. Personally I load it through the homebrew launcher on my Wii which is really easy to set up.

>>384212847
I'm basing that off of seeing video footage of characters having exact literal clone movesets down to the exact animations and move properties. I don't know what the fuck you expect to happen, unless these characters get replaced entirely, that's what the game is. Short of characters being called Marth, Fox, Samus, and Ganondorf, they are legitimately the same.

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>>384202205
PM Diddy was the shit.

>>384208141
They had to abandon Project M, Nintendo was 100% going to file a cease and desist against them if they continued to update ot

>>384200873
>see like bar
>thought I was somehow watching the abigail reveal again

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>>384210992
Fucking this. I get that you enjoy Melee's gameplay and you'd want to bring it to a more modernized platform, but copy pasting characters is not how you fucking do it - the game will forever live in Melee's shadow. Stop trying to leech off the success of Smash and get your own identity. The entire project just screams arrogance.

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>>384213104
>"but muh alpha footage! don't judge, it'll totally be different by the time its done!!!!"

gee... I wonder where I've heard that excuse before...

>>384209562
This looks pretty fun actually.

>>384200873
>Guys we need hit FX but we don't have a sound designer, what do we do?
>Dude, just blow into the mic lmao
>...
>PERFECT!

>>384213442
LIKE ANIME FAN ON PROM NIGHT

>>384212362
>How the fuck to I make webms that are actually good quality

-b:v -crf -qmin commands

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>>384209420
How do you even build PM as a "standalone game"
Like half the appeal if not more is all the Nintendo fanservice. On top of everything already in Brawl characters were changed in ways that make them more accurate to the source material, alternate costumes are inspired by other Nintendo games like all of Samus's suit alts and the Fire Emblem cosplay costumes, if you removed all that and made the characters nothing but functions the game would be a lot less interesting. You have to build shit from the ground up if you're going to do an original IP. Project M as a mod to a game that you have buy or pirate to play is a lot more benevolent to Nintendo than stealing frame data and move animations and putting them onto donut steels to try and sell as your own thing. The former could actually get someone to buy the original game if they were a moralfag, Nintendo sees nothing from the latter.

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i like this guy desu

>>384213283

Don't people usually wait until after the C&D to C&D?

>>384213442
not a kikestarter game

>>384213396
>the game will forever live in Melee's shadow
Not really if they develop it to become Melee but with more, like what Project M was becoming. Project M only started dying off once Smash 4 came along and Nintendo and Twitch decided it's time to pull the plug on any exposure it has.

>>384213752
Same concept. They are both blatant copy cash grabs that appeal to nostalgiafaggots

>>384206220
She looked cute.

>>384213810
>replying to a desperate samefag

>>384213396
>arrogance

>accepting that melee is an incredibly good game, and that you won't be able to design better characters yourself

>>384213642
Yes but something happened that caused them to become scared enough to stop on their own.

"The truth is that it has not been a responsive action, but a preventive one. Certain event (which, again, doesn't involve a company contacting the PMDT) made the members fear a legal problem if the project kept on. At some point, it was determined that, even just the fact of releasing the announced patch, PM 3.61, could involve negative actions that nobody in the team could afford at all. A lawyer was contacted and it was confirmed that the possible threats the PMDT could face in an hypothetical legal sue were really terrible. As the PMDT was formed mostly by teenagers, people with little money or even in red numbers, and with a long life to run, it was determined that it was better for their safety to stop immediately just in case." — Mewtwo2000

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>>384213283
>>384214000
nice fanfiction bro

>>384214152
Well shit I wasn't there for that thread, I was just going off their """""official""""" response

>>384200730
fpbp

>>384206220
I understand it but the retarded masses don't. Anyone thinks any of these character designs/models/animations are final is retarded, especially when there's PMDT involved. Problem is they decided to do a gameplay trailer without a huge disclaimer at the beginning going "HEY MORONS THIS SHIT ISN'T DONE YET" at the beginning.

>>384213752

Doesn't matter. You can't build on sand. Unless they scrap their visual design and start from scratch, the characters aren't going to magically stop looking bland and forgettable.

>>384200873
Rising Thunder at least had an unique look like One Must Fall or Rise of the Robots (terrible game though). This is basically "let's copy overwatch's safe pixar-like style, that will win people over!".

>>384210256
The only reason people would play a fangame over the official game is if the official game is bad. Otherwise people who like the fangame would play both the fangame and the official game.
I played Project M long before Smash 4 came out and I still got Smash 4 on both 3DS and Wii U which was a big mistake because the Wii U version outclasses the 3DS version entirely and I haven't touched the 3DS game since the Wii U version came out. AM2R is one of my favorite Metroid games of all time and I'm still going to buy Samus Returns as long as it doesn't get an Other M-tier negative reception upon release.

I have numerous gfycat links but it won't let me post them
What do, I want discussion.

>>384210393
Waifufags are cancer so no.

>>384214449
Rising Thunder had more depth than SFV.

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>>384200873
I absolutely hate those character designs, they remind me of WoW designs which I hate so much too, seems like parodies or characters created for a videogame inside a TV show, way too gaijin for my taste, awful.

Also, green skinned race with red hair, what the shit, why does every fucking gaijin shit has this?

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>>384213887
>free to play
>cashgrab