>Best girl fucking dies, kind of Why was this allowed?

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>>384178257
Velvet isn't dead though, anon.

>>384179531
She's stuck in limbo and can't experience life anymore. For all intents and purposes, she's pretty much dead.
>You will never be Laphicet and spend eternity naked wrapped around Velvet.

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>>384179852
I want to be hug Velvet for ever. real life sucks and isn't worth living.

Her VA and face expressions make my dick diamonds

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>>384180264
>Her VA

>>384180615

Yeah, her range is quite incredible

>>384180819
Rina Sato ?

>>384180935

Yes, the difference of both interpretations is incredible

>>384181116
Yeah, she nailed Velvet, incredible VA. This game overall has amazing VAs anyway.

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>>384180935

>>384181337
God bless.

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Is it good or bad when a game has an instant "I win" button?

She'll be back in the final chapter of the Trilogy.

>>384180143
real life is what you make it. Stop making excuses for your life and start living it. do a different activity each day

>>384178257
Fuck, a spoiler actually being a spoiler
I guess I'm ganna play something else then, combat was kinda meh anyway

>>384183939
It's a really good journey, although it kind of plateaus story-wise toward the end.

>>384180935
>>384181116
Thank god, I thought you were about to mention that English va bitch.

>>384184225
English VA is trash in Japanese games nowadays, that's just a fact.

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>>384184493
>nowadays
Have English game dubs ever been good?

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>>384184621
Hey... You're right.

>>384184621
Final Fantasy XII was pretty good.
Atelier Rorona was decent
Neptunia was good

It's been much better in comparison to the late 90's and 00's.

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>velvet is best girl
True best girl coming through to make this thread better.

>>384184621
>Have English game dubs ever been good?
Final Fantasy since Square Enix doesn't generally get the generic VAs but instead real theatre/stage/tv actors.

>>384185240
When does she show up in Berseria?

>>384183939
Sorry anon. I should have put [ACTUAL SPOILER]. I've had the same thing happen to me.
It's still worth playing though.

anyone played this with keyboard + mouse on pc? how does it play? my controller died

>>384178257
>game is stupid easy even on intense
>try doing a dangerous encounter
>stunlocked to death
Ok then.

>>384178257
At least she dies.

I l-love velvet

I wonder If someone has drawn her having sex with Shadow.

>>384178257
>Why was this allowed?
Because Tales of games shouldn't have female protagonists

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>>384189741
I fucking love Velvet.

>>384180935
She's hamburger in Umineko too.

Why is it that people don't seem to give Velvet as much shit for being "edgy" as they do with other characters?

>>384190996
tits

>>384184621
Have Nip dubs ever been good?

>>384190996
Because people actually played the game and saw how she developed as a character.

Kinda the same thing with Luke from Abyss. He stops being a whiny bitch after a few hours, while Velvet stops being ultra edgy after a short while.

>>384184225
>Hating Cristina Vee
(you)

>>384191189
No she doesn't
>>384190996
Velvet has good reason for being edgy and people are sick of moralfag "if we kill him we'll be just like him" protagonists.

>>384190996
Severe PTSD. And as anon above noted, she grows and changes to the point where she realizes her attitude is hypocritical and pointless.

If she is edgy, she's one of the most self-aware examples in gaming.

>>384191751
But she does.

She goes from MUH REVENGE OVER EVERYTHING to "OK, I shouldn't treat everyone like shit, especially Phi" and even stops being so damn mad all the time, like how she wanted to clean her room just because.

>>384190996
>Good reason to be an edgelord
>Character development
>Doesn't go out of her way to hurt people but will fuck them up if they are in her way, opposite of "be a dick as much as you can for fun" edgy
>Needs a hug

>>384190996
because Coo-Coo

>>384191751
She does. Not even halfway through the game does she start turning into a kind of nice character. She starts actually treating Phi nicely, she gets along with the other characters, and even starts treating Eleanor decently after just a few hours after she joins the party after being forced to after an almost duel to death.

Even her reason for killing Artorious has merit after they've learned what he's planning to do and she doesn't just do it for revenge(even if it is her biggest reason).

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So, who is the best boy?

>>384191951
Yeah, she develops more empathy for others, but her goals are all ultimately still for revenge. She saved that snowy village, but you know she would have killed all of them if it were necessary. After killing Teresa and Oscar, she gets over her breakdown and tells Laphicet she doesn't regret it anymore. It's only after she kills Artorius that she wants Laphicet to fix things, because she doesn't have a reason to ruin other peoples' lives anymore.

>>384192639
Mikleo.

Japan agrees.

Not edge, not in her case.

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>>384192639
Eizen. His autistic ramblings are the best.

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>>384193004

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>>384179852
>there will be a third game where she wakes and helps Sorey fuck up the higher seraphim

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>>384193004
>get to the end of his side quest
>listen to the normin's silly blustering
>What is this, some kind of a joke--
>LEVEL 100
Utterly hilarious.

>>384193252
You mean sorey will help Velvet, right?

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>>384178257

>>384183939
OP isn't even right

>>384193252
A third game would be so sad, though. Literally everyone but Edna, Mikleo, Sorey and Lailah (with a new voice) would be dead.

A third game would be most of the cast of Zestiria + Velvet (and maybe Zaveid, if he cares enough).

>>384191061
I dunno, but I'm not trained enough in the Japanese language to spot bad voice acting.

You could show me a character who is voiced by the Japanese version of Bobcat Goldthwait, I'll never know.

>>384193687
I still think it was bullshit that Zaveid never joined in Berseria. As matter of fact that game was filled with potential party additions.

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>>384190996
>betrayed by the last of her family, has her life destroyed and her brother murdered in front of her, suddenly and without explanation
>behaves exactly how you'd expect someone who had their life broken to act
>"edgy"
She really developed as a character over the course of the game. Everyone did. It turned a basic JRPG plot into something memorable and enjoyable by giving every character some kind of character flaw and making the world and the events of the story morally gray.

>>384193687
Well of the Berseria cast, only Magilou, Eleanor, and Eizen are confirmed dead.

We have Velvet obviously. Rokurou is a demon who lives forever with an undetermined fate after Berseria who can easily be reintroduced. And Phi is purified by Sorey after a couple hundred years. So half the cast isn't too bad. If need be, Eleanor can somehow be reintroduced into the story as a Seraphim because she was once a Shepherd and I'm sure they get special privileges.

>>384193687
Rokurou may still be alive it's never or anywhere explicitly said that he's dead.
>>384193687
I never really liked Lailah's voice anyway.

Btw, Seres was 100% reborn as Lailah, I'd bet money on it.

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>>384192639

>>384194306
>Seres was 100% reborn as Lailah
Completely different Seraphs. IIRC, Lailah was alive and well during the Berseria events.

>>384194462
>Lailah was alive and well during the Berseria events.
I'd like confirmation on that.

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>>384194462
Not enough people appreciate how well done the Seres/Lailah fake out was. Not only was the truth surprising, but it also subtly explains why Lailah has the role she does in Zest

>>384194946
Explain please

>>384195686
One can assume that the reason Maotelus chose Lailah as the Prime Lord was because she reminded Laphicet of his mom

>>384183376
>can't hug berubito forever
>can't receive daily demon handjobs
NOT
WORTH
IT

>>384185008
>Neptunia was good

Do people seriously believe this? VII is one of the few JRPG's where I switched to Japanese because the English VA's sounded so stiff and unnatural.

>>384178257
She died at the start though.She was always dead.

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>>384196206
Just kill me already.

>tales of bestzeria
>sorey/meebo, velvet/phi, eizen/edna
>the two gays and eizen discuss badass manly archeology, relics and tomb raiding
>phi blushes around edna while velvet makes grumpy noises

>>384193687
So the bullshit characters in Zestiria are dead, leaving only the tolerable ones, and Magilou, and Eleanor can return as seraphim.

Rokurou may still be alive, but I doubt that Velvet will return, and if she does the series will end with her dying properly.

>>384194462
She wasn't. Lailah is much younger than Edna. Lailah was born after Berseria.

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>>384196693
I want a third game as long as there's no romance.
>>384196826
>and if she does the series will end with her dying properly.
Nah I doubt they would do that.

>>384196693
Eizen is canoncially dead though.

>>384197107
No he's not, it's completely optional to fight him in Zestiria.
And for what it's worth Eizen gets better in the anime.

>>384197059
>I want a third game as long as there's no romance.
Sorey isn't meant for Romance with women, and if they would have made Meebo a girl, and Sorey would be a married man who was fucking Meebo in any sequel anyway, leaving Velvet to be single.

>Nah I doubt they would do that.
The guy who wrote Bers/Zest doesn't give a fuck.

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>>384193004
>start with Berseria
>Eizen's a total cool guy
>great mentor figure for Laphicet
>great bromance for Rokurou
>great comedy partner for Magilou
>great rival for Zaveid
>ends up being both a comedic and emotional character in the end
>wonder how his story's gonna go
>he decks his Captain to death because the Abbey turned him into a daemon
>fucks up the resonance in the world so his friends can't see him again
>eventually turns into a dragon trying to save the world again and his sister and Zaveid have to kill him
Eizen had a hard life.

>>384197291
>No he's not, it's completely optional to fight him in Zestiria.
He's intended to die, so that Edna could learn to move on and travel the world.


>And for what it's worth Eizen gets better in the anime.
>anime
>canon
The anime isn't canon to either Bers or Zest, it exists as its own entity.

>>384184621
I liked Nier Automata's dub honestly

>>384197291
Anime is non canon.

And yes, game-wise his fight is optional. But for the characters, the side-quests are partial to their development. Sorey mentions during the story that he would find a way to cure Eizen. Then Edna's sidequest is supposed to come back to that plot point and decide that Sorey can't save him.

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>>384194127
>Velvet goes full brooding edgelord after she accidently kills some more people
>Phi just tells her to man the fuck up and snap out of it
>ends up getting more cocky and driven by the story's end
The black & red's a bait and switch, Velvet is a cool customer for being an evil monster.

>>384192669
I liked that she actually got her revenge, even if circumstances were completely different by that point.

>>384190996

Because she isn't really edgy at all

>>384194127
Zestiria's story is nothing extraordinary, it's a very classic saviour story with Sorey as a Jesus-like figure.
However, it's also a story about compromise. Sorey has to come to terms with killing people in order to be able to save the world. In a sense, it ties into the bigger theme of sacrifice: he has to sacrifice his principles, as well as himself (and his friends, oh and his grandfather too) in order to achieve his goals.

Don't let the green fields and purification fool you, this is a ruthless world they presented us with. Highland abandonned Marlind to their fate, like they did with the other village next to Ladylake. Corruption is rampant, and I'm not talking about malevolence.

You have people killing children without batting an eye just to save money.

Under a deceptively familiar appearance, Zestiria managed to deliver surprisingly dark and mature story, in my book, but not the shitty kind of "dark and mature" (looking at you, x2), a better, more subtle kind.

For me, berseria did the exact opposite. We had some shiny and new packaging (female protagonist, pirates and "bad guy" point of view), but in the end we got a story we have seen countless times before, with a villain who has the best intentions in the world, but uses wrong methods, the party quickly becomes the good guys in anything but name due to how shitty the Abbey is.

Seriously, you destroy a drug ring, dispose of corrupt officials, save a prince, fight against a secretly evil religious organisation that everyone reveres, free an enslaved child, save the world from magic communism that forces people to commit sudoku and it ends with a heroic sacrifice. At some point Velvet even says something like, "I'm not saving the world because I want to, b-baka".

Berseria's story was pretty good because they took Baba off the team.

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>>384198681
Velvet never came back fully from her actions, which was the point. Phi becoming more and more alpha as time went on was amazing to watch.
>>384199734
I agree with what you said about Zestiria 100%, but I think Berseria deserves more credit that that.

The idea of a villain having the best intentions in the world with the worst methods is not what I'd describe Artorious or Mechior as. Arthur was emotionally broken by the constant tragedies in his life and Melchior was a dead husk of a man for living as long as he did. Both wanted to make a world devoid of emotion because they were completely unable to handle their own pain. Their intentions were not good in any sense of the word. They simply wanted to escape the burdens of their own humanity because they just couldn't live with their pain anymore.

Velvet could have had a mostly normal life even if Laphicet was going to die anyway. Dying from his disease would have been devastating but also possible to grieve through. Instead she was broken by a man who was knowingly trying to create a world without humanity for his own selfish reasons.

That's not to say it excuses anything Velvet did. The entire party was motivated by self interest to some degree or another, not to say there wasn't any camaraderie or friendship, but the morally gray scale of every possible action showed that there really isn't any way out of hurting someone or yourself. All actions have consequences and if all consequences have undesirable caveats, then the best you can do is fight for your own way and hope it comes out on top of others. This was the same with Artorious, albeit coming from extreme trauma that he had no ability to deal with anymore.

Berseria might not seem as subtle as Zestiria but it definitely has equal depth presented differently. There are no "right" answers in life. Existing is to be hurt and hurt others, regardless of intentions. This is what Berseria was about.

>>384199734
This. The base story of Zestiria isn't extraordinary but that's the point. The point to Sorey and Shepherds in general is that they aren't all powerful, they aren't super human gods who can fix everything.

Part of Sorey's growth is accepting that he can't save everyone, he can't help everyone, and he shouldn't endeavor to do so. Doing so would only make him fail.That was actually the point of Hyland, it was both to start the story but also to act as a hindrance for Sorey, despite appearing to be a significant place, in reality it really isn't.

That's another point that Zestiria was trying to make, appearances can be deceiving and first impressions aren't everything. A person who seems useful and kind can be useless and surprisingly selfish, meanwhile a person who seems antagonistic can be a great ally.

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>got to near the end with glorious 10 frames per second in battles
>ordered new graphics card to replace current garbage one
It's going to be a long week.

>>384201415
Actually looking back on Artorius and Melchoir the both of them are pretty much Hedalf redux, its just that their plans were different.

Also if Artorius actually tried to move on like, Laphichet, and Seres wanted him to then he would have been married to Velvet. In his case he just chose to wallow in despair which is how he ended up the way he did.

>>384190996
In addition to what the other people have said, Velvet is one of the rare cases where her being edgy is actually a main point of the story, rather than just being a justification for the setup. She's a festering ball of hatred and despair because that's what the antagonist was trying to shape her into.

>>384200906
>>384200906
Contrary to popular belief Baba had nothing to do with the stories of either games. The head director and writer decided on the story for Zestiria a long time ago, but a bunch of waifufags on the staff wanted it to be changed to include Alisha as a main character. Those staff members then wasted everyone's time trying to push their waifu, only to find out that she was in fact shit. Baba then instead of doing his job like he should have done from the start and told the waifufags to get their asses back to work, just let it happen and then ordered the game to be released knowing full well that it wasn't even close to being done.

>>384202929
Yeah Artorious was destroyed by his despair. Remember, he secretly wished that Velvet and Laphicet died instead of Seres and his unborn child. The main point was that it's impossible to live without being hurt or hurting others because all actions have consequences. Living free is to accept that you can't change this and face the moral grays of life with courage and understanding that the pains of living and consequences effect everyone else too. It's why Eleanor was able to live the rest of her life supporting the victims of society and keeping the peace after she accepted that gray morality is unavoidable, but also one of the many challenges of life. Helping others only has meaning because people can be hurt and in need of help.

>>384199734
I'd actually agree with what you said about Zestiria if it had actually been well executed enough to throw those themes forward at you as opposed to ever being mentioned once or twice and never being explored again or being resolved. You can see hints of potential brilliance in Zestiria but they never quite go anywhere with them or they're done in such a poor way that it was almost detrimental to the whole experience.

I'm finally at the Snow Town and entering the volcano.

How much longer is the game?

>>384205410
Second to last dungeon. Almost done.

Am I wrong for thinking that the world for both Zesty and Berseria has some nice lore going for it?
If only because Berseria managed to salvage it for me.

>>384206142
no

I'm personally interested in playing a 3rd game, but I know it probably won't happen

>>384206142
>If only because Berseria managed to salvage it for me.
Correct on both accounts. Like the anon at >>384204937 and >>384199734 said. Zestiria has a lot of great points that never really came together, but they were there. Having Berseria and some time between the two is definitely helpful for seeing Zestiria positively in hindsight.

Eizen best boy

>>384204937
It gets explored often, the children getting abandoned by their parents during rough times is all over the place. The corruption being rampant like corruption in real life isn't obvious at first glance.

That's true for all of Zestiria, it's just that Zestiria more opts to show you what's happening or the results of it rather than outright tell you. So if you're not one to pay attention to what's going on, you'll miss a lot.

All of the themes are explored and resolved, very little isn't. Add in the things that are literally there to mislead you into thinking that they're important when they really aren't.

Tl;Dr Zestiria isn't straight-forward at all.

>>384205410
It's now time to complete those Code Red, Class 4, and character side quests.

And do get those Katz chests opened. Thank yourself later. Magic number of them is 30.

>>384208637
but i can't escape!!!

>>384209056
Finish Mt Killaraus, and head back down. You'll have free roam of the world map. Take this time to clear everything else.

>>384204937
I think the themes of sacrifice, compromise, and corruption are thrown in your face more than once or twice.

Poorly done, maybe. But it is pretty prominent throughout the story. Sorey's refusal to kill nets him trouble throughout the game, culminating up to the end where he finally breaks his principal to kill by killing Heldalf and sacrificing himself to time by purifying Maotelus. Alisha's vision of peace is stomped on throughout the story as she's hindered by the corruption in Hyland and even her master she's looked up to is evil. She's forced to realize that being nice isn't going to work. Edna's hope of getting her brother back is also stomped on as we figure out there is no cure and we're forced to kill Eizen. Dezel right before his death has to let go of his hatred that he's harbored for Symonne for a while in order to sacrifice himself in order to save Rose. Lailah wants to help guide Sorey, but she's forced to keep quiet about her experience with previous Shepherds because she's felt guilty from leading them astray.

The whole geopolitical situation in the world is pretty fucking corrupt. You see it on both sides in Hyland and Rolance in how each side uses the war to their advantage to further their plots. The situations in the towns you visit are pretty dark too. Like how the mountain town has to sell addicting Elixir just to survive because that's the only thing they can sell. Or the series of kidnappings and murders in Lastonbell. Do any of the sidequests in any town and you can tell how each town is struggling pretty hard.

It doesn't seem dark because we have a happy-go-lucky MC and we eventually solve all of those problems. But Zestiria actually subtly does have a dark and mature theme to it.

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would you guys still like berseria/zestiria if they abandoned the typical JRPG conventions (outlandish outfits, mascot characters, underage party members) for a more realistic down to earth aesthetic? would it help the plot?

>>384212634
I really didn't like the way most of Berseria's cast looked, so maybe

This is probably the best thread I've seen about these two games in recent memory. Good shit.

>>384212634
I don't understand why I wouldn't because all you're suggesting is to put a new coat of paint on it.

>>384204341
I think you meant Rose instead of Alisha

>>384210773
Alisha wasn't being hindered by corruption, she was being hindered by the fact that she had a very over idealized way of looking at the world. She was so idealistic that she never really understood the risks that the soldiers and mercenaries situated in Marlind were faced with. The fact that she doesn't understand these things is what makes her a liability to everyone around her. By the time that Maltran took her on (Maltran was in her late teens early 20s and Alisha was around 10-12, she's around 22-23 in Zestiria.), she had already pissed off most of nobles (even those that could have helped her) and isolated herself politically. Sorey even points out that Alisha is to blame for her own situation.

Lailah was in love with Michael and was too hurt by what happened with him so she made up an oath to herself to never speak of it (The oath actually isn't to help her wield the silver flames).

>>384214847
Nope, I got it right it's Alisha that caused the problems, and the character that waifufags in the staff tried to make more prominent despite being just a glorified NPC. This is shown in the design notes, the guide books, interviews, etc. Rose has too many assets both removed and otherwise to be a last minute character, while Alisha has barely any at all.

http://tokrin.com/archives/50878602.html
>Nagatani: Even the dev team's opinions were really split on how we handled Alisha and Dezel. There were people who wanted Alisha to keep traveling with Sorey, but she chose to stick to her royal duties.

Also Ufotable staff admitted that none of their original for Alisha in the anime came from the game or its staff. There is no script in existence where Alisha is the heroine of Zestiria.

The whole "Alisha conspiracy" got everything mixed up. It was Alisha who was planned as a side character but ultimately caused problems when waifufags wanted to make her into a main character.

Stop posting pictures of Velvet, they make me want to buy this obviously generic and mediocre JRPG.

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>>384217668

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>>384218273
>glasses

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Don't bully the Eleanor

I want to Magilou Magilou

>>384184493
> nowadays
dubbing anime and games has been garbage since people started importing it to the west

>>384197827
absolute shit taste detected