This is game is so bad am I right you guys LMAO XDDD

>>384175527
BB = DaS > DeS = Das2 > DaS3

if you disagree you're a redditor and/or petition race cuck

>>384175527
>lmao its just a meme that das2 is bad HAHA
hey whatever helps you sleep at night, if you want to believe that the universally agreed upon opinion is wrong because you suffer from massive shit taste then more power to you

>>384176119
Ds3=>BB >Ds > Des >>>>> Lotf >>>>>> Ds2 >>>>>>>>> Sotfs

>>384176398
Let me fix that for you friend
DaS = Bloodborne > DaS3 >DeS > > > Lotf > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DaS2

>>384176318
>universally agreed upon
on /v/, maybe, and it's still very split considering how much you fags argue about it.

looks like they made this game easier. so casual players can play.

>>384176318
>universally agreed upon
>best rated ds game of all time

>>384176869
>>384177050
Not him but you guys are the vocal minority, It was shit and everyone played it till they didn't have to.

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>>384176119
DaS > BB > DS3 > DeS > DS2

Old Hunters > Old Iron King > Artorias of the Abyss > Ring City > Ivory King > Ashes of Ariandel > Sunken King

anything else is a meme opinion

>>384177050
>best rated ds game of all time
literally isnt though

>>384177297
/v/ is the vocal minority, dummy. everybody outside of /v/ liked DaS2, you're literally the only ones calling the game shit all the time.

>>384175527
I don't think DSII is a bad game, I think it is uninspired.

>>384177665
>everybody outside of /v/ liked DaS2
yeah thats why it has the lowest user score of any souls game and was so bad they had to make an updated version

>Bloodborne
best challenge, best athmosphere and world, best gameplay, most actiongamey
>DaS
great world, good challenge on first playthrough, probably best bosses
>DeS
slightly outdated, hardest souls games, great athmosphere and enemy/bossdesigns
>DaS2 Scholar
too easy, most content, fun to try builds, some people like Agility, great variety in areas, poor world building, powerstance is great addition, too many bonfires, shit bosses but also most bosses... good DLC

>>384177665
>/v/ is the vocal minority, dummy. everybody outside of /v/ liked DaS2
Mass Effect Andromeda was the best mass effect up to date.

>>384177839
It has a low score because of soul memory. That's about it

>>384175527
this thread is just a meme now

kys op

>>384178054
>it has a low score because of bad mechanics that nobody likes, that doesn't mean anything!

>>384176808
No, not only on /v/, literally everywhere

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>>384178054
Now that we've made you look like a complete retard, why do you insist on spamming these threads everyday? Do you crave attention?

>>384177839
>trusting user score and not individual reviews that you have read
note that most of the negative reviews are zeros given by people too dumb to play dark souls in general or , like i said before, /v/

>>384175527
Yes.

Remove ADP from the premises.

>>384176398
Bb>DS3>DS2=DS1=DeS>SaS>LotF

>>384177972
>best bosses
>the only good bosses pre-dlc are omelette salad and gwyn
yea nah

Alrighty, objective undeniable truth ranking right fucking here.

DS1=Des>BB>DS3>DS2

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>>384176742
>>384177409
>>384179797
>purists apologising for DaS and DeS's gimmick bullshit bosses

>>384180212
yeah DaS had so many gimmick bosses
like bed of chaos and....

>>384180212
>He likes BB's unlimited swing works
or even worse
>He thinks dark two is the best.

>>384180493
>>384180585
Just let the thread die, these retards want more (you).

Dark Souls 2 is legit my favorite souls, don't get why you guys hate it so much.

>>384180212
yeah DaS2 boss design was so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEWXwMBex_s

>>384180493
pinwheel
butterfly
discharge
nito
seath
4kangz
gwyndolin

>>384180847
Watch H-bombermans video on why it's good.
you will then realise that everything about it is fucking horrific.

>>384180939
>gimmicky
>pinwheel
>butterfly
>nito
>seath
>kangs
>gwyndolin
Oh so you just hate any boss fight that isn't run up and hit him with your sword? Hell a couple of those you listed are not gimicky at all.

>>384176119
DeS is literally bad.

>>384180939
pinwheel and seath aren't gimmicks just because they werre easy
how the fuck are nito, 4kings and discharge gimmicks

>>384175527
Replaying it right now and i was shitting at it after playing it through on a ps3 from the release
And you know what I could say about differencies between SotFS and Vanilla? SotFS sucks even much more, holy shit, the only good thing they've done is that dark locations are actually dark now. Everything else is just like >brb playing chalice dungeons in BB
and not this slowmotion shit for handicapped retards
Level structure is still more atrocious than any other game in series

>>384180967
There is no way in hell I will watch a 1 hour long video defending Dark Souls 2, and even if I did, this wouldn't make me like or dislike Dark Souls 2 any more or less

>>384176119
>>384176398
>>384176742
>>384177972
Shit posts my friends. All of you missed The Surge.

>>384181381
>shits of the Fallen 2: future edition
there aren't enough ">" available in a single post to symbolise how far behind Surge and Lords are behind souls.

>>384181147
>>384181221
>pinwheel
dps race
>butterfly
fatroll: the boss
>nito
stay on one half of the room so you dont aggro the big skeletons
>seath
hug his tentacles from the front to never get hit
>kangs
dps race
>gwyndolin
weird shooter minigame

>>384181767
So like I said, any fight that isn't just run up and hit him with your sword in it's most basic form is gimicky?
Are you baiting? this is important here, because there are people stupid enough to believe this.

>>384181767
>pinwheel
>dps race
wow you have to do more damage to a boss before he deals more damage to you and kills you? what a gimmicky idea
>nito
>stay on one half of the room so you dont aggro the big skeletons
how the fuck does that make him a gimmick
>kangs
>dps race
well gee i guess if something happens twice in the same game it isn't really a gimmick but a mechanic huh, retard
>gwyndolin
>weird shooter minigame
oh no you have to dodge a bosses attacks before hitting him, what a gimmicky idea

Nioh >>>>> DaS1 > BB > DeS >>> DaS3 >>>>>> DaS2

>>384182273
bait of the highest degree

>>384181998
no, i just thought those bosses were bad and detracted from the game.

look at DS3. the only gimmick bosses like DS1's are Deacons and Wolnir. every other boss doesnt pull stupid shit for the sake of being hard.

>>384182273
>Nioh
maybe if it had actual enemy variety and didnt have borderlands 2 rng loot

>>384182391
Why?

>>384182273
The only thing I didn't like about nioh was that the world wasn't all connected. If the levels weren't instanced the game would be much better

>>384182426
so you're one of those people that think every boss should be a 1vs1 duel against either a human enemy or a bigger beast.
great.
i am sure the games would be a lot of fun!

>>384182437
The combat system is so good that variety is more forgivable

The diablo loot isn't that bad

I've never played a Dark Souls game before, and have no intention to.

>>384182830
ok

>>384182679
i disagree, the combat system doesnt really get to shine when you're fighting the same 5 enemies every level
and the loot is atrocious, from micromanaging which item has minutely better stats than the one you're using now to having to sell or break them down one by one just to free up fucking inventory space

>>384182464
>>384182273
No one puts DaS1 that high
What a fucking shitter

>>384182669
no, but the game shouldnt put enemies where I can't see them all simultaneously, and actually be able to dodge their attacks and spells, without a better camera or top-down perspective.

>>384183067
git gud

>>384183137
i already beat the games. what do you want

>>384182913
Until you reach ng+ what you use doesn't really matter all that much

once you actually do reach ng+, it's not diifcult to reforge until you have everything you want

you can disagee about the variety, that's fine

>>384176119
3 isn't THAT bad anon. It should have been a lot better but the DLC has propped it up quite a bit. With your nostalgia glasses off it's better than DeS.

BB=>DS3>DS1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS2

>>384183219
You to git gud.

>>384183064
but they do all the time

the positioning of des das and bb isn't as important as making sure 2 and 3 are at the end

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>>384183067
that is literally where the difficulty of some bosses comes from.
the best example of this i think is the spider boss at the bottom of a lake in Bloodborne.
you have to deal with 10 spiders (in reality keep your eye on ~2 and dodge their attacks) AND on the boss that has 3 different spells that require different dodges.
many people dislike this boss, while in reality it is genius, you lock on to a small spider, wich pitches down the camera close up and requires you to know timing/audio queues of the bosses spells.

i can't really think of a Souls series boss done quite as well, i guess the executioners chariot comes somewhat close, paying attention to the arena, the skeletons, and the chariot.

>>384183409
i didn't say the rng loot was difficult, i said it was annoying and tedious

DaS3=DaS1 > BB > DaS2
THE END. NO MORE THREADS

>>384183787
no

>>384183678
you can think that, but I didn't have a problem with it, so I disagree

>>384183863
i don't know how anyone could not be bothered by having to mass sell/salvage 800 items one by one just to free up inventory space but ok

Alrighty, perfect ranking coming through
>DaS
that's it. that's all there is, every other game is complete fucking trash.

>>384180212
Gimmick bullshit boss*
I'd rather have bed of chaos than 'Dude in armor #87'

>>384176119
>redditor
>cuck
neck yourself

>>384183664
>and 3 are at the end
>3 at the end
Also a shitter opinion
DaS3 is much better than DaS1

>>384183982
Its not really that bad

sell anything <= blue rarity
break down all purples
break down any green weapon that doesn't have an inheritable you want
break down all armor types except gauntlets to check for inheritables

It takes like 5 minutes every 3 missions

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>>384176318
>universally agreed
heh
It's time to watch that matthewmathosis video again anon!

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>>384184375
>thinks I have shitter opinions
>rates 3 higher than 1

>>384184040
Nono, watch this video so you can understand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA

>>384183982
You know there is a filter function for mass deletions, right?

>>384184695
1, 3 and bloodborne all have higher user scores.

>>384184794
Gameplay (charges, "techniques" and variety of weapons), pacing and structure is much better and actually improved, nigger

>>384184040
But DaS is trash, lol

>>384184970
what they don't have is a mass amount of shitters and /v/ users giving the game a 0 because they hate it unconditionally

>>384184970
I think that what he's implying is that 2, while not the best in the series, is not a bad game at all. Even that faggot matthew that everybody here seems to love said it in his 'review'.

>>384185073
except for an extremely linear world with no interconnectivity and shittier combat

The only bad thing about dark souls 2 is soul memory. Nothing else. It's an amazing game. It's up there with both dark souls 1 and 3.

>>384185337
people hate 3 just as much if not more, don't be an aspie blaming /v/

>>384185560
>unironically defending iframes tied to a stat

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das = bb > das2> nioh > surge > das3 = des > lotf

>>384185561
/v/ has a huge hate boner for DaS2, there's no denying it.

>i-frames tied to Adaptability
>soul memory
Irredeemable. Good game otherwise, and I enjoyed it. But those two things kill it for me.

>>384186043
>people dislike a bad game
who would've thought

>>384185772
Never upgraded agility and it felt like any other souls game.

>>384186043
No, fuck you. everyone has a huge hate boner for ds2. it is a bad game.
so help me god, next you faggots will be talking about how DMC2 wasn't really that bad.

>>384186252
lying on the internet doesn't make you look cool

>>384186252
>i never did it so its not there
thats not how it works

>>384186098
>i-frames tied to Adaptability
they just took a more RPG approach to the stats.
>you want to be an agile roller
>spend points in the agile rolling stat
DaS 1 characters have less identity since they could all switch from heavy armor characters to fast rollers if they want.

>>384186332
Nah, it's only here on /v/. Mainly because some e-celeb that used to visit here told them to.

>>384186157
>>384186332
So why was it bad? Hard mode: no mentioning soul memory or agility

>>384185552
>shittier combat
Literally the same but faster
>interconnectivity
Getting tired of this meme, most locations are still pushed in each other without any thought just like locations in DaS2, but not that much retarded

>>384186157
>a bad game
It wasn't that bad of a game. Rushed, yes. Bad? No.

>>384186252
Unless you started as explorer, you're full of shit.

>>384186252
Why would you come to a Mongolian throat singing forum and lie? For what gain?

Yeah guys I hate dark souls 2 also because matthewmatosis told me it's a bad game. I haven't even played it but that doesn't matter. Do I fit in now?

>>384186332
No, only /v/ has a hate boner for DaS2. Pretty much everybody either liked it or thought it wasn't as good as DaS1, not
>this game is irredeemable shit because of a few flaws it has that are also fixed now
It's okay to think soul memory is fucking stupid, but jesus christ calm your ass down, the game isn't that bad.

>>384186507
Explorer still haven't that enough, you should have atleast 18 adp or so

>>384186332
DMC2 was the best DMC game though.

>>384186479
Too many humanoid enemies, far too many auto tracking overheads, soul memory was a trash system made with good intentions that worked out poorly, adaptability as a stat is fucking braindead. many enemies have moves designed soley as a fuck you to players. THE SALT FORT BONFIRE. THE SHRINE OF AMANA. the fucking bullshit neverending attacks from the giants at the dragon aerie, the completely fucked level geometry, there is so much that is fucked with ds2 man.

>>384186652
>matthewmatosis
who?
>I haven't even played it but that doesn't matter
assumptions, no real argument as to why its good, try harder next time

>>384186479
>Hard mode: no mentioning soul memory or agility
sure
>world design is garbage, enjoy your elevators up into lava castle
>tons of bosses, except most of them are bland
>downgrades, enjoy your useless torch
>so bad they had to make an updated version

DaS3 has the most good boss fights in the series, this is a fact. DeS, DaS, and BB have bosses that are better than anything in DaS 3 (Allant, O&S/Arty/Manus, Old Hunter bosses), but DaS 3 is a lot more consistent in its boss quality. Yes, yes, there is shit like Wolnir and the tree, but those don't hold a candle to BoC/Pinwheel/Leechmonger/Rom/Nurse etc...

We don't talk about DaS 2 bosses, that's just a cruel joke. The game suffers enough as it is. The Ivory King, Fume (really overrated), and Alonne (better than Fume) are the only bosses in the entire game that stand up to the quality of the other enteries, and even then they're just midtier, barely as good as midtier bosses like Abyss Watchers.

>>384186873
>too many humanoid
didn't bother me
>far too many auto tracking overheads
still didn't bother me because i always dodge right before the attack hits, this is only an issue if you dodge late
>soul memory
this will always be garbage
>adaptability
sounds like you should have adapted to different game mechanics instead of complaining about them. evading is still easy to do with base adaptability, just less forgiving
>moves designed to fuck with players
not sure what you mean by this
>salt fort bonfire
i actually can't remember this so it couldn't have been much of an issue
>shrine of amana
this wasn't that bad, any character build can have a ranged weapon so you should be using one here
>giants attacking nonstop
if you put your shield up then they attack nonstop, lower it and they will stop trying to break your guard
>level geometry
fair complaint considering how good dark souls 1 was with level geometry, excluding special cases like ash lake

>>384184153
Bed of Chaos is by far the worst boss in the series, in the worst area in the series.

>>384187113
Das3 has two bosses that are memerable, sully, and aldrich. the rest are just blobs of nothing.

>>384187504
>>shrine of amana
>this wasn't that bad, any character build can have a ranged weapon so you should be using one here
>>giants attacking nonstop
>if you put your shield up then they attack nonstop, lower it and they will stop trying to break your guard

He didn't play at launch.
No matter how bad you think those two where. it was NOTHING compared to what it used to be.
Also, lol I don't have a problem with it so there isn't a problem with it.

>>384187550
pontiff
aldrich
gwyn's son
the dancer
the abyss watchers
are all 'memerable'

Objectively

DaS > DeS > BB > DaS2 >>>>> DaS3


>Demons Souls
Improved on King´s Field and started the Souls series

>Dark Souls
Open World

>Dark Souls 2
Improved PvP and introduced a new movement mechanic that finally made roll spamming less viable, later dropped by DaS3 for no reason

>Bloodborne
Improved on the Souls series combat and dropped some of the RPG elements, becoming its own thing

>Dark Souls 3
???

Dark Souls 3 added literally nothing to the franchise, Its a bastardized Bloodborne that should not even exist
Dark Souls 2 hate comes from Reddit shitters trying to fit in despite having shit taste

>>384187061
>world design is garbage, enjoy your elevators up into lava castle
the game had one area that didn't make sense.
>tons of bosses, except most of them are bland
Almost the same amount of bosses that ds1 and ds3 had
>downgrades, enjoy your useless torch
?????
>so bad they had to make an updated version
>>deciding to upgrade the graphics when porting the game to next gen consoles is bad

>>384185552
all souls games have shit combat, don't fool yourself, at least with BB and DS3 they sped shit up finally

>>384187748
>gwyn's son
Should not be in the game, was put there to make the dudebro's go YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, and to milk the "hey guys remember ds1?" bullshit more.
the dancer
the dancer was just a normal fight with a oversized humanoid enemy, oh woooow she's like on her stomach and all twisty and shit, such a memorable boss.
the abyss watchers
>lol bro's, guys, homies, you remember artorias?

One day I want to make a big fucking list of all the absurd criticisms /v/ has for Dark Souls 2 and side by side that shit with Dark Souls 1 or BB.

It was a great sequel once SotFS came out and no one gives a shit how cool and contrarian you are by hating it.

Also despite being linear as fuck DaS3 has worse level desing than DaS

Ok /v/ I want an unbiased opinion on why everyone exaggerates how bad this game is despite it having the highest metacritic score of any souls games and good reviews on steam. Is everyone just parroting matthewmatosis just so that they fit in?

>>384187941
>Almost the same amount of bosses that ds1 and ds3 had
ds3 had 19, ds1 had 22 ds2 had 32

>>384187941
>deciding to upgrade the graphics when porting the game to next gen consoles is bad
yeah thats definitely all sotfs was
you're delusional and retarded, not even worth replying to the rest of your shit taste

>>384187941
>>world design is garbage, enjoy your elevators up into lava castle
>the game had one area that didn't make sense.
Hyde's tower of flame is a short walk, if you turn around it's suddenly miles and miles and miles, nd IIRC aldia's keep, castle superbeast, and the dragon aerie? all occupy the exact same space.
>downgrades, enjoy your useless torch
?????
Fuck off.
>so bad they had to make an updated version
>>deciding to upgrade the graphics when porting the game to next gen consoles is bad
Are you a marketer or some shit? because that is NOT what happened.

>>384188020
At least they didn't LITERALLY split a boss fight from DaS 1 in half and call it a day. Also, there's Gael, the champ, Cinder, Maria 2.0. Honestly, there's no shortage of good fights in DaS 3. You can shitpost all you want about game balance, linearity, story, variety. DaS 3 has no shortage of faults, but boss fights and OST are among the best hands down, easily standing up to anything DaS and BB have to offer.

>>384188268
>despite it having the highest metacritic score of any souls games
userscore sure means nothing right

>>384188268

People with no taste and self opinions, so they parrot a youtuber despite having zero knowledge in game design

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In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>>384188268
It's the game that came after the "dark souls is super hard" meme started getting popular. DaS2 hate is basically a combination of self loathing and elitism.

>>384188436
>tripfag
filtered :)

>>384188424
Yes it does mean nothing when people hate it unconditionally just because a popular YouTuber told them it was a bad game.

>>384188574
das2 came out before memematosis even existed and people thought it was garbage back then too, fuck off

>>384188574
This thread is full of people talking about why it's bad, that have nothing to do with some mathew faggot. it.is not. a good game.

>>384183431
>nostalgia goggles off
Literally just got into the series a year ago, played them all back to back. Fuck off.

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>>384188424
Are you serious?

You're under absolutely no obligation to prove that you played the game but you can review it.

Metacritic scores are shit enough since people can submit some unknown Finnish video game blog as a reference. User scores have absolutely zero proof of ownership.

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>>384186873
>Too many humanoid enemies,
DS3 has more.

>far too many auto tracking overheads
DS3 has the same.

>soul memory was a trash system made with good intentions that worked out poorly
ye

>adaptability as a stat is fucking braindead
Sort of. I like that it forced you to consider your early game more. You had to either spec into traditional stats, or become an agile ninja with ADP. But I get that a lot of people think Souls = rolling so whatever.

>many enemies have moves designed soley as a fuck you to players.
Every game has this.

>THE SALT FORT BONFIRE.
Meh.

>THE SHRINE OF AMANA.
Only in vanilla. It was nerfed and was quite enjoyable for me after.

>he fucking bullshit neverending attacks from the giants at the dragon aerie
They have about 8 consecutive attacks actually. Still you can just run past them all.

>the completely fucked level geometry,
I didn't mind personally.

>there is so much that is fucked with ds2 man.
Yeah it's a very flawed game, but it also did a bunch of cool things I wish DS3 didn't drop. The emphasis on all playstyles being viable made for some amazing PvP back in the heyday aside from some cancer builds and I really like the direction they took with the lore.

>>384176119
>>384176398
>>384176742
>>384177409
>>384178936
DeS>DS2/SotFS>BB=DS1>>>>>shit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"DS"3

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>>384188554


See? This is a DaS2 hater usual response, they are too dumb to think for themselves

>>384188823
>n-no all the reviews must be fake!
you are delusional

>>384189008
He's hot

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>>384189008
i'm running dual claws now to be fair.
why does shit break so fast in Dark Souls 2?
with my dual rapiers and dual claws, i cant even make it to the boss in some areas without my weapon being at risk.
hell the ring that reduces degradation barely does shit.

What the fuck is wrong with people? no matter how much people point out the faults with the game, undeniable things that are not good, faggots just say, shit like "but it was a very cool game tho" "but it was good tho" "but I liked it tho" and offer no real argument or rebuttal of substance, it is literally like arguing with zombies.

>>384187879

I know this is asking much from all of you but can someone even try to refute me?

>>384188919
this has to be the most wrong ranking in the history of souls threads

>>384189241
normies and double retards that play jrpgs

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>>384189092
>steam reviews and actual reviewers give it a 90%

>n-no please believe my user scores that spam 0s for every popular game

>>384189245
Nothing really to refute bro I'm of the opinion that das=des but really, you've hit the actual non meme answer, and no one wants that.

>>384189185
i think hitting the enemies after you've actually killed them can degrade weapons really quick

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>>384188574
It's always been the most hated souls game since launch

Maybe, what if, people hate it because it's actually shit?

>>384189241
have you considered that maybe these flaws are not big enough to make a game irredeemable shit as you seem to believe?

>>384183067
if you consider deacons to be difficult than you're a fucking idiot

>>384189092
MassEffect 3 has a metascore of 89 are you really gonna go down that road.

>>384189245
your entire argument is that each game pre-3 is good because it brought something new to the franchise. meanwhile 3 has the most refinements total, tied with Bloodborne, and your criticism is that it's not fresh enough.

you probably think bingbingwahoo 64 is better than Galaxy because 64 was fresher at the time even though Galaxy is more polished in almost every way.

>>384189402
>actual reviewers
yeah i sure do trust game journalists
>steam reviews
das2 has proportionally the most negative steam reviews than any other souls game

i think it's partially the story and the bosses.
in DaS 1 you had a very clear road with some bosses being teased.
all the "big bosses" before the primal bonfires suck ass.
there is no sense of progression other than "oh i guess i cleared this area and killed this boss that barely made sense"
it feels really flawed, Lost Sinner for example is such a forgettable boss, and the one prime souls most people will get first i assume.
i could barely recall the path to him from Majula.

>>384175527
Its just as good as the other ones
Not to say that it's good, mind you.

>>384189547
i beat Deacons first try, as my first souls game. I mentioned them as a flaw to be fair and not worship DS3 like it does everything better than 1 and 2.

>>384189185
If only the game let you carry multiple weapons and swap between them.

>>384189241
Dude the game is 3 years old. Everyone is aware of its faults. It's possible to like something despite its flaws. There's no point having autistic fits of rage over a game that is old and dead.

>>384189556
>what is userscore

>>384189637

Dark Souls 3 is objectively a inferior Bloodborne there is nothing to see there unless you dont have a ps4

>>384189942
you'd be surprised how many people in these Souls Threads never played Bloodborne/Demons Souls.
this serious has this odd PC playerbase that never buys any consoles.

>>384189837
what's flawed about them, however? they're a fresh and interesting fight

>>384189942
DS3 has pontiff, twin princes, and champ. it's worth playing for at least those three.

are there any bosses in Bloodborne that make those three completely outdone and irrelevant? I only got as far as BSB (my ps4 has hardware damage)

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>>384190092
>posters who have experienced the multiplats outnumber those of the exlusive games
Wh-whoa... surely you must be jesting me?

>>384189942
Why stop there? Dark Souls 3 is an objectively inferior Dark Souls.

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>>384189885
All that does is strengthen my argument, it has the lowest user score. And even then most people that found about souls originally played the second installment first.

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>>384190264
you'd think that fans of the series would seek out every entry and play them no matter what.
its okay that it's larger, but the difference is just enormous

>>384190256

They would be great fights if Dark Souls combat wasnt mediocre. Dark Souls 3 misses the point of the series entirely, even the story feels like a fanfic

>>384175527
yeah its shit, here my favorite epic youtuber doesn't like it either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9iHemcluxs

>>384190213
>locate pope
>mash R1
>dodge a spell occasionally if you feel like it
it's cool in concept but there was nothing to it.

>>384190436
Yeah I agree with you, but I think a lot of people don't want to pony up that much dough just for one game, even if they are big fans of the series. Luckily I still have my PS3 and am finally getting around to DeS, and a buddy of mine with a dust collecting PS4 is willing to let me borrow it for BB sometime soon.

>>384190352
>And even then most people that found about souls originally played the second installment first
[citation needed]

>>384190352
so you're agreeing with me
learn to read

>>384190092
>>384190436
>thinking I'm going to buy a Playstation or Xbox because I like Souls/Halo games
yea nah. The only console maker thats done it for me since I was a kid has been Nintendo and even they're pretty dried up now.

>>384190213
Too easy. They're better than congregation, but there's nothing really interesting about them unless you're bad at the game and have a shit build so you can't kill them within the timelimit.

>>384190256
Pontiff is meh. First phase can be easily beaten once you realize you can literally just spam roll through his entire combo (a critical flaw of DS3 in general).

>>384190808
yeah, they're too easy. i still think it's enjoyable because of the setting and getting the opportunity to fight like 30 undeads at once. not every boss needs to be particularly difficult, even though ds3 was kind of lacking in that department

>appeal of game is ability to fight enemies with a variety of weapons/tactics/strategies
>autistically rage about your own decision to fight the boss in a way you saw on the internet
The ultimate wew lad

>>384190498
Okay I don't like DS2 either but that guy is fucking retarded

>>384191161
yeah man *repeats what was said in post*

>>384175527
It really is.

>>384175527
It really isn't.

>>384192203
yeah i literally said exactly what he said word for word, you sure got me

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>>384175527
something that sort of hit me as an uncomfortable truth the other day was the idea of dark souls 2 being a better 'dark souls' game than its successor, dark souls 3....

really grilled my cheese, fambino. tell me i'm wrong?

>>384192496
theyre all the same shit

>>384192496
>uncomfortable truth
literally the first 20 replies implied that it wasn't.

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>>384192737
you expect me to take seriously the posts of obvious memers?

>>384176318
I liked DaS2 the most by far
I think I will never do a second run of DaS3 again. Fuck that insipíd slog.

>>384192892
(You)

>>384177839
Scholar of the First Sin is the best Dark Souls experience after finishing the first. Nothing compares to the vastness and polish of it in almost every feature it has.

I think that no one that hates DaS2 actually played it or even passed the Pursuer. The git gud meme is real.

>>384192737
None of those niggers had arguments. Some of them even posted videos from youtube. Is it really that easy? Make a video, shill it here and /v/irgins will eat it all up?

>>384192496
depends on what you think dark souls is.
if you like it for being an action game with a little bit of stats and gear variety, you gonna like DS3 more.
if you like Dark souls for being an RPG with actioney combo but still very slow and you think that stats should very much dictate your characters abilities etc... you might like DaS 2 more.

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>>384189008
Fucking love the look of the old knight armor

>>384176808
every youtube video you find on ds2 by long term players will be either
a) them trashing it
b) praising on the PvP (this is the one thing it got right) and nothing else.

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>90% of humanoid bosses can't deal with simple circle strafing around them or hit and run tactics
>90% of bosses feel same-y as fuck
>blunt weapons are destroying pve
>lifegems even more so
>levels are so fucking boring just going through them feels like an unnecessary slog
>constant level or environment design mistakes fully showing how little they cared about the quality, overall lack of details in environments
>because adaptability is a thing, entire game is balanced in such a way it allows a person with 0 adaptability to make a playthrough which means overall slow speed of the game and lack of actually threatening attacks from vast majority of enemies
>npc invaders simply cancel their attacks into rolling at any point of animation

>>384194121
>soul memory creates an entire fuckload of balance problems, past 3-4m SM you start exclusively invading havelmonsters with 50+ in each stat
>finite orbs you need to farm or increase your sm, insane amount of forced farming in general if you want to stay in specific SM ranges
>agape ring is a late and half-assed solution that failed to solve virtually any actual soul memory problems
>cannot use any switches, open 90% of doors or operate 90% of elevators
>cannot phase through any enemies effectively locking you out of parts of the levels
>cannot heal with consumables while host has 10 types of them 9 of which go to 99 stack
>seeds, which also mean you can't even heal with miracles in peace by running to enemies
>host and his butt buddies are able to turtle in warmth which is even harder to punish than estus in ds3
>hosts can chug on a ladder which is extremely hard to punish in certain locations
>even if host dies he won't lose his souls because 90% of playerbase is rocking ring of sacrifice you can repair
>insanely short invasion time limit
>abundance of shit invasion spots, some of them can potentially lock you out of reaching the host permanently
>host can clear the area from enemies permanently so you end up losing the only invader advantage completely
>there IS a priority system which makes hollow hosts least preferable targets and coop partners the most
>you can be damaged during backstab animation
>npc phantoms with 5k hp and infinite spells everywhere in sotfs
>almost no chance of ever being summoned as a bluefag because host needs to dedicate a ring slot for something that won't occur in vast majority of situations as getting randomly invaded in ds2 is almost impossible
>insane amount of duelfag pandering at expense of everyone else, with arena being the worst offender
>abundance of baby-mode items like jester top pummeling already low skill ceiling even lower

"the one thing it got right" my ass

>>384194451
>>90% of bosses can't deal with simple circle strafing
Demon Souls
Dark Souls 1
Dark Souls 2
Bloodborne
>Dark Souls 3

>but its not OK when DS2 does it cause I hate DS2!!!

>>384181998
like most ds2 apologist he is just being dishonest, pretending like the pursuer, dragonrider (both times) flexile sentry, ruin sentinels, lost sinner, belfy gargoyles, skeleton lords, executioners chariot, mytha, old iron king, royal rat authority, prowling magus, dukes dear freja, royal rat vanguard, the rotten, looking glass knight, ancient dragon, throne defenders and nashandra don't all fit his definition, because they all absolutely do if that's his definition of a gimmick.

Remember ds2 babies don't want to have an actual logical discussion they just want a conversation of opinions with their opinion being fact.

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>>384194903
i fucking dare you to circle strafe any ds3 boss and live to tell the tale
even fucking vordt can punish that
ds2 is the only abomination that allows such brainless tactics on regular basis

>>384194963

comfiest area ever

So let me get this straight - your argument is to post an opinion you don't agree with, and then add "LMAO xD" on the end?

Really gets the old noggin' joggin'.

>>384185337
>heh, look scores matter because DS2 ranked the highest!
>"no anon it didn't"
>scores don't mean shit! you guys are obviously just rigging the numbers,

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>>384195062
>> brainless tactics
>*runs underneath you* owo whats this

you faggots describe shit in every Fromsoft game

>>384175527
Why exactly do we need this thread multiple times a day? Its been 3 years man, if you don't like it don't play it

>>384195093
not with that shit music

>>384195339
i bet you think they all have shockwaves too huh...typical 2 cuck

>>384195339
even Sif has tools to keep distance and reposition unlike vast majority of ds2 bosses

>>384195339
and yet it's still one of the most memorable boss fights for souls players, you triggered?

>>384195698
Not plural he doesn't. He has literally one move and that's to jump away then let you run under him again. Just like vordt, just like half the bosses and the other half you circlestrafe. Good bosses are rare as fuck in souls games.

>>384195761
did I ever say it was bad you little faggot

I said you can't complain about shit in DS2 like its brand fucking new to the series when cheese tactics have existed since Day 1 in DeS and will exist until From stops making games.

>>384195951
>Good bosses are rare as fuck in souls games.
it's a shame all of them are concentrated outside of ds2
baaaawww

>>384196118
gr8 b8 m8 now I filter you because you have nothing to say other than feed me (You)s

>>384196228
truth hurts, ds2 fag

>>384195951
So when someone insults your favorite game by pointing out a massive issue with it pulling the "it was always a problem" card fails for two reasons:
1) If it was always a problem why does discussion on the other 4 games never mention it
2) if it was a problem why dont those other 4 games get bad press for the same reason?

>>384196385
it doesn't count when A team does it dumb fuck

>>384196228
get rekt faggot.

>>384194849
>this is a legit complaint
>orbs can be obtained by winning fights in the brotherhood of blood arena which is completely free to fight in. blue orbs are not free to obtain unfortunately which is fucking stupid
>agape ring is shit
>untrue
>you CAN phase through enemies by walking into them for a few seconds
>the same goes for the host's phantoms unless they have great heal. warmth needs no investment besides an attunement slot
>seeds are not infinite, and they host would need the hindsight to gather them throughout his playthrough if he wanted more than 1
>you can also turtle in warmth since it heals anything
>this is a bit of an oversight but it doesn't happen often
>i believe it's about 10-15 minutes, meaning you can't just wait in ambush for the host to show up and have to actively hunt him
>never encountered this so i don't know
>if a host does this then they are obviously ganking and you should black crystal out right away
>gonna need a source on this
>as it should be
>yes, these guys are bullshit
>way of the blue fucking sucks
>not sure what you mean
>jester fags are almost always shitters who need the backstab crutch

>>384196537
not an argument, normies play these games and you should be able to find a massive amount of normies who agree with you if this is such an issue, there are even 4 times as many games for you to draw sources from.

>>384196960
oh wait I misinterpreted your post nevermind

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