Smash Bros was a mistake.

>>384121360
Eric bringing the bantz

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>>384121360
Calm the fuck down Eric god damn

Not Smash Bros, just melee.

>>384121360
Agreed. Smash Bros. should've never been created.

>A game where you fight people
What a descriptive genre

>>384121360
have too smah kid game at evo instead Ki
what's evo went so wrong?

The fighting game genre is probably the worst video game genre to ever exist, smash should count itself lucky that it doesn't have to associate too much with them

Why are smash people always so autistic?
Is it just an overall nintendo thing?
Are there Mario Kart tournaments where 21 year old virgins start beeping and booping when they lose?

>>384122336
They used to with Wii, but I think the competitive scene of that game died out. Good.

>>384121360
I knew he had shit taste when I saw the Ed Edd and Eddy avatar.

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>people who don't use their own face on facebook

>>384122759
>Have a face
>Have no books published

Can I use facebook?

>>384121360
>10k hours and cant wavedash or l-cancel
wtf has he been doing then?

TFW when you know that melee was nintendos last game with golden era nintendo gameplay.

Everyone in this thread is neo nintendoers who never played a nes or snes and THE ONLY reason why melee still is a thing because they put love and compassion into the programming which is simple to play impossible to master.

The neo generation doesnt understand that
But the oldschool respects it

Melee reminded me of a nes or snes game mixed with a platformer sandbox fighting game

If you dont like it fuck off

>People went so autistic with a social, party game that now its only appeal to people is how 'competitive' it is

Trump can't blow this world up soon enough

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>>384122759
>Not using top tier default pic

>>384121360
This thread is the real mistake.

>>384123002
I guess snes and nes games never existed
ANY GAME THATS DIFFICULT IS HARD WAH WAH

>spend 10000 hours in a game
>still can't do the mandatory techniques

Is this a problem with the game or the player?

>>384123174
>missing the point this much

>>384121360
>Smash players.
>Shit in pools and fountains at CEO during their own finals.
>Steal EVERYTHING in site, literally worse than FGC niggers.
>Smell like piss, shit, and BO.
>Molest community managers, literally worse than FGC niggers.
>Complain about finals not being prime time or having finals on Saturday instead of Sunday.
>Smell like godawful pee and poo.
>Gloat about viewership numbers.
>Demand crazy things from TOs, like Spoongebob SquarePants CRTs for "handwarmies."
>Make up retarded vernacular of terms despite equivalent terms existing for literally decades prior.
>Just have an absolutely nasty funk from lack of showering, and changing clothes/underwear.
>Complain about station count despite requiring CRTs.
>Jam 10+ people in a single hotel room like transients, and wreck it.
>Smell like crap.
>Have grievances, and air complaints on social media instead of discussing then privately with TOs.
>Have worse Evo Top-8 in history resulting in a retard rolling around on the ground, crying.
>Boo other games for no reason.
>Have the worst version division in history of fighting games.
>Get referred to as "Stinky Time" by college campuses with active Smash groups and require "Stink Bouncers" at non-Smash events to ensure Smash players shower and wear deodorant.

Why the FUCK is Smash even at Evo? It's not even their most important tournament. They're taking up 2 slots and they literally don't need it.
Replace Smash with Skullgirls and Vampire Savior

>>384122336
>beeping and booping when they lose?
Redbull me on what you meant by this.
They make robot nosies?

>>384123983
>Complain about finals not being prime time or having finals on Saturday instead of Sunday.
>135000 viewers
gee I wonder why I can't wait for street fighter and smash 4 to get 10 views because they didn't get the melee boost.

>>384122419
>>384122336
The world cup of MK Wii and 8 is going right now
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=mkwc&sp=CAI%253D

>>384124307
Found the stinker.

>>384123983
I've organised a few Smash 4 tournaments at my university. The amount of sweat on the controllers after each game is amazing.
I can't imagine how much Melee players perspire.

>>384123416
With the player. If a normal human (not a super athlete) spent 10,000 hours seriously playing a sport they would either be professional or really fucking good. You don't spend that much time on something without coming out not having advanced fundamental knowledge.

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it wasnt even a mistake, it was designed to be a party game and thats what it is. autists just latch on to it to make it competitive. it would be like making a 1v1 mode of dota 2 and calling it a fighting game.

AUTISM SPEAKS. ITS TIME TO LISTEN!

>>384124226
>replace one of the most important fighting game series in the world with literally what only /v/ cares about
FGCucks...

>>384121360
If you consider Powerstone a fighting game, I guess you'd consider Smash one.

Is there a flow chart with explaining step by step why Smash is a party game? Other than 'Sakurai Said So'? I'd love to blow up people with a compelling argument.

>>384122971
thats why theres a bunch of other games that people play in a similar manner from the same time period or earlier right? oh no wait melee is the only 2002 game you autists play if not the only game period you play.

>>384125407
I wonder how many people willingly attended this fine club.

>>384123983
>Have worse Evo Top-8 in history resulting in a retard rolling around on the ground, crying.
Is there film of this?

>>384123983
This.
Smash players are the niggers of the FCG -- a community full of actual niggers. They smell worse and steal more, it's a fucking phenomenon.

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>>384123983
>Handwarmies
>Complain about not being prime time
>Shit in pools and fountains
>Never shower

It's like 10 year olds that never learned how to grow up.

>>384123983
>>Demand crazy things from TOs, like Spoongebob SquarePants CRTs for "handwarmies."
What's this all about

>>384121360
that was a copypasta from twitch chat last night

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>>384125407
>When a Smash ball appears, the game is paused. All participating TBC members play rock-paper-scissors.
You're fucking with me.

>same characters
>same players
>same results

I get the appeal of melee but a professional-looking copycat needs to come out already so this shit genre can evolve. There hasn't been anything new in this game's pro scene for practically a decade.

>>384122336
Yes it's to virtue signal that they are from R9K

>>384121360
Are there any other fighting games that fighting autists consider not a fighting game?

>>384124226
>Skullgirls
Cancer, put Soul "Footsies, neutralkino and honesty" Calibur.

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>>384125407

>>384125781
Melee-fag spotted

>>384123857
WAH
I DO NOT LIKE HARD GAMES
thats all i see here

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>>384125246
>most important fighting game
>>>most important
>>>>>fighting game

>>384125407
I have so many questions about how these rules even came into existence.

I see loads of people applying their own poorly-informed rules in other games, especially Pokémon, but this isn't even like "You cant use any legendaries", it's more like "You can only use Pokémon if their Pokédex number is a prime number"

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>>384125407
>Rule 1
>MFW

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>>384122336
Reminder

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>>384125781
All fighting games are fighting games. All casual party games are casual party games.

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>>384125407
>No taunting
>It hurts the feels of the players

>>384125246
its incredible how deluded smash players are about their own game. where do you see bbbbb-but its popular!!!! used as an argument to defend a legitimately good game ever?

>>384125781
there are plenty and theyre either dead games or the fanbases of these games recognize theyre considerably different from genre standard fighting games and dont try to push them as "real fighting games" like the autistic smash fanbase.

Is it only popular because it's nintendo?

>>384125470
Look no further than the party ball, the weapons, and on top of that why they have to ban characters rather than a few.

What the fuck are handwarmies?

>>384125890
>Implying ive played a Nintendo game since the super Nintendo
Fighting fags just screech autistically when someone says smash bros is a fighter and I think it's hilarious

>>384126079
Absolutely. Look at every other failed smash-style game.

Smashers would not care about or play smash if it was not made by nintendo.

>>384125156
What I see in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDOZbvE01Fk

>>384126080
>why they have to ban characters
I've never heard of this. I thought they played with the same characters over and over.

>>384126194
>/v/

>>384126117
I don't know, but it sounds like button checks. You know, just testing to see if the controller works correctly

>>384126230
No characters are banned, other than Brawl Meta Knight. However, like 95% percent of stages are banned so his point stands

>>384126140
you can pretend that its fgc people getting mad about smash when the vast majority of major figures in the community either accept smash for what it is or dont give a shit about it.
random people on the internet shitting on your shitty game doesnt make them mad, btw. did you call the jocks in high school mad as they gave you swirlies and pushed you into lockers too?

>10000 hours
>can't wavedash

come on man

>>384125686
It's like retards who play on winnie the pooh TVs because "it's more accurate"

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>>384121360
>10,000 hours
>can't wavedash or L-cancel
My.Fucking.Sides.

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>>384125246
>Important fighting game series

It has no relevance outside of Nintendo. Think about that for a moment. Even Street Fighter, BlazBlue, and KOF hold more importance than Nintendo due to it being multiplatform especially PC and Console. I will even say this.

>>384126194
>wait, that's the NES controller? I have an iPhone case like this

>>384126325
>However, like 95% percent of stages are banned so his point stands
That I have heard.

>>384125540
huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNMVgAAdrt8&t=75s
NEO NINTENDO GAMES YOU DROP IN FUCKING 1 MONTH AND THEN AFTER THAT YOU BUY THE NEXT FUCKING GAME BECAUSE YOU GOT BORED OF IT IN A MONTH

GAMES USED TO LAST YOU FOR YEARS
NINTENDO DOES NOT MAKE GAMES THAT LAST FOR YEARS ANYMORE.

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>>384125686
They go all autistic on the controllers that they typically need to warm up before playing by literally warming up their hands or practicing button presses and prefer to use autistic shit like a Spongebob CRT to get into the zone.

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Reminder

>>384126502
Oh shit Wreck-It Ralph

>>384126408
>Blazblue
>KOF
>MORE IMPORTANT
>0 players on PC and 5 on console
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>384126467
not a smashcuck but no one says guessies
they say reads

>>384126467
>guessies
That would be hilarious if it was true.

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>>384126587
I wish I could believe that

>>384126332
>Your game
Didn't read my post
>High school jocks
There were no jocks at my school, everybody just did a lot of drugs

>>384126463
i actually grew up in the snes era and you didnt spend years on the same game, you didnt even spend months on a game. my parents remember alttp purely because its a game i spent multiple months playing and thats an exceptional game. who the fuck remembers the nes silver surfer game, fuck off with this retard smash player bullshit. you people exist in your own little world.

>>384126582
Still more important than Smash Melee the only game that Nostalgia autists play and no one else will. Besides BlazBlue evolves and makes new games as does KOF fans. They do not stay on one game for over 10 years straight

>>384126675
im an actively antismash poster in this thread and thats a bunch of people joking dude come on.

>>384125740
Wavedash Games is making a copycat already. Gameplay video comes out today.

>>384122971
it's just a game you autistic piece of shit

>>384126779
>They do not stay on one game for over 10 years straight
meanwhile melee has been continuously growing for 16 years while your weebshit dies within months even with developer support AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>384126779
>Blazblue makes new games
CF is the last ever, the story ended there, you won't see any more installments any soon.
>KOF
Dead as fuck, SNK went bankrupt 3 times already and now is going for a 4th.

>>384126859
Of course it's not fucking true, you downie. What kind of antismasher cares about it enough to mention defend the game twice though? Go back to r/smashbros, faggot.

>>384125407
What the fuck have I just read? I think I actually scowled at my monitor.

>>384126745
no people played games for years not months 18 year old.

all of those games are still playable today.
Today
UH TIME TO BUY THE NEXT GAME.

If there is no fun in a game why play it?

>>384125927
Work on your reading comprehension then kid.

>>384126741
ah see thats the issue here, you didnt get bullied out of being an autistic loser, you just stayed the same high school moron and never left.

>>384126467
They need to add Mirror Matches = Dittos onto there.

>>384126958
My point still stands though that those games have had an important mark in fighting game history.

>>384126953
>Growing continuesly

So has the diagnosis of autism there might be a correlation between the two.

>>384126949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiBTMbJU2k&t=8s
Who is talking about if it is not a game or nothing.
Atleast it is still a game
And not an experience
Where the game is so easy that it becomes boring.

>>384127006
just because every single game was really really hard to you at 8 years old doesnt mean that the games from that period were actually difficult or well designed. go find me your group of friends that spent years on the fucking silver surfer nes game lol ill wait.

>>384127045
All I see this convo with you anon is that you do not like to play hard games because they are too hard.

>>384122971
>TFW when you know that melee was nintendos last game with golden era nintendo gameplay.
Absolutely delusional

>>384127107
>important mark in fighting game history
>important
>when they can't even reach 500 entrants at the biggest fighting game tournament AKA the only time of the year they'll have ANY relevance
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>384123002
Anyone who uses the term "social, party game" is actually retarded

How buttdevastaded do you have to be to try this hard

>>384126467
>deodorant
kek

>>384127154
If you see this video
>>384126194

Games with difficulty reward players for achieving things in a game.

If I was a person in this thread.
I would see that there is a lack of difficult games and focus on creating one as difficult and rewarding as a nes game.

You can argue that those games are poorly designed.
You can argue that you are poor at video games as well.

If you make a game to easy there is litterally no point to play it. Every game also seems slowed down to what games used to be as well.
Nothing feels speedy and nothing feels reaction based.
What is the point of a game if you cannot exert skill in it.
In my opinion there is none.

>>384127336
Stinky spotted

>>384127252
Show me another nintendo game in modern times where it takes the simple to play impossible to master mantra
Melee was the last game with that design philosophy thus the end of golden era nintendo.

>>384127587
You are completely delusional

Go back to just shitting on Smash.

>>384121360
WTF Eric you don't say that that's so offensive!

>>384127336
my game is POPULAR that means its GOOD

>>384127485
YOU played video games for years literally as autistic people are known to do. the average person playing these video games on release did not spend years playing them. the fact that mario 3d world (an actually difficult platforming game if you bothered to reach the extra levels, which i doubt) gives you a freebie that you DONT HAVE TO USE if you die a lot makes you mad. you are autistic and also probably have adhd from your constant need to be stimulated.

>>384127614
Keep on proving my point right.
You do not have a game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt4KG9ib8S4&t=2s

Kids want to explore
Be challenged
THEY want to be engaged for HOURS.
Be rewarded for doing something in a game.
They get back up and learn quick.

Neo Nintendo though
You play for an hour and thats all you need to complete the game. Levels will be done for you by bots. No mind is needed to play the games.

You know what
They make games for 40-50 year olds who want to play 30 minutes and go to bed
Not for kids
And on top of that they have a generic disney coat on paint to sell their products.

All of the soul from the company left years ago.

>>384127901
Everyone from my generation and the older generation can go back and play nes games.
its pick up and play.
Your age is showing and the ignorance to what people at my age do.
All of us play games. I have about 100 i chill with around 29-28 and we still all go back and play those games.

They are so much better to play then a modern game.

>>384127901
>my game is POPULAR that means its GOOD
no the game having complexity and a high skill ceiling that no fighting game can ever compare to means its good
its popularity is just an easy way to shit on FGCucks and their dying games

Can we please agree
That nintendo games do not have the depth that they used to.

>>384127941
>Neo-Nintendo meme
It's like I'm really in NeoGAF

>>384126467

Friendlies is more of a legit term than casuals though. It's just under exhibition and scrimmage in sports terms.

>>384128085
so
Complexity and high skill ceiling is good for the longevity for a game right?

And Casualization is a way for you the consumer to just consume the next product

You say Jump I say How High?

>>384128145
No because it's not true.

>>384128162
I have seen Neo Nintendo since around twilight princess. I seen it in magazines. Neo Nintendo needs to evolve or stagnation will kill it.

>>384127941
youre literally describing a quality game in terms of what children find enjoyable. you dont have any sort of cognitive dissonance about preferring your chosen form of entertainment media to be directed towards kids?

>>384128085
i guess that means league is the best game ever because it has 100k+ viewers at all times on twitch. or maybe theres something wrong with an argument based purely on popularity (its popular because its good! is still argument by popularity, moron)

>>384128313
Thanks NeoGAF

>>384128085
>that no fighting game can ever compare to means its good
Smash babies, everyone.

>>384128240
It is fundamentally true
I bet you anyone who playes a nes or snes game goes and plays a new game and master it super quick.

If it was the other way around. You would hear
THIS IS TO HARD!
THIS IS ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!

instead of addressing the problem of fixing the difficulty in games we are here.

Go fix games difficulty.
Go play nes and snes and you will die 1000 times before you die in a modern game.

Why are y'all arguing with someone who isn't good at English?

>>384128357
It could be directed to anyone.

It is what is missing from games now a days
The fun of games is gone unless there is a challenge.

>>384128459
>It is fundamentally true
You're using fundamentally wrong. It's false.

>>384128459
i really hope youre not the same person as the guy whos talking shit about older gamers requiring easier mechanics lol

>>384128357
popular because it's good =/= good because it's popular dumbass
>>384128428
name one fighting game that comes close to melee's complexity
and then explain why it's dead despite it being so great because i know you're gonna name some old meme shit like turd strike

>>384128523
Why are yall going to work for 8 bucks an hour at a retail store being yelled at by someone and you are trying to fix your ocd by rearranging items in a store.

So I learned today from /v/ fast-pace and low polish equals 'complex'.

>>384128523
Good
Thanks I win

>>384128540
no, you've grown up and dont feel fulfilled unless youve been made to "work for" something because youre a fucking adult and not a child and you havent realized it. you're on the cusp of becoming an adult at 28 dude, congrats.

>>384127006
Not him but learn to use commas please

>>384128540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njzAyjAFCMI this video makes my case apparently clear.
There is evidence.

>>384128602
hmm maybe dont use the games popularity as your sole proof of its quality then (its popular and that proves its mechanics are good or whatever!!!! is STILL argument by popularity you DUNCE)

>>384128675
I just do not like smash brothers melee.

>>384128717
What does this have to do with me talking about the difficulty of games.
Why are you avoiding the issue at hand.

>>384128754
>Neo /v/
>Neo Nintendo

>>384123002
Should've voted hillary for nuclear oblivion, you twit.
>>384122138
Then what's the dark souls of fighting games?

>>384128563
>>384128754

>>384129006
>Then what's the dark souls of fighting games?
Low quality, buggy and full of glitches?
Autists hold it up as the second coming of Christ?
Melee.

>competitive smash
This is the problem. It's not meant to be a competitive game. I love smash, but only for what it is. A fun game to play casually with your buddies.

>>384129064
That video failed to establish the argument "nintendo games in [MODERN YEAR] do not have the depth that nintendo games in [YEARS OF YOU AS A CHILD]"

>>384128602
>name one fighting game that comes close to melee's complexity
Thrid Strike.
GG.
Tekken.

Playing high level Urien is more complex and deep than any Fox.
Playing high level Zato is more complex and deep than any Fox.
Playing high level Mishimas takes literal YEARS to be even half-way decent.

"""High skill ceiling""" Fox in Melee = any literal WHO can pick him up and play within a few weeks at high level -EVERY top Smasher has a Fox-

High Skill ceiling Urien, Zato, Mishima = 4+ years of dedication to the character; very few players will ever reach/have ever reached the skill required; nobody can actually have them a functional secondaries.
People don't play these games because they don't have Mario, Zelda or Samus, plain and simple.

>>384129104
Nintendo had the highest quality of the game.
They just made fighting games a new way.

Instead of it being a traditional 2d fighter
There is sandbox
you make your own combos
and there is platforms

Talk about another fighting game like that.
i WOULD play a melee clone that was 2 x the speed with more complexity.
and it could be any type of characters.

I love fighting games
and I love sandbox fighting games

I love em both equally man

>>384129234
>Nintendo had the highest quality of the game.
>Melee
lol

>>384129191
Do you see how much they struggle to do things in the game?


That makes the games superior in every right.
You still have not shown me easy to play impossible to master from a NEO - NINTENDO game.

>>384126467
>using deodorant

enjoy your breast cancer

>>384129317
Nintendo was nothing but quality back then

NOW

Id agree friend
Id agree completely

>>384126467
>list sponsored by r/kappa

>>384126194
is that Aleks on the cover LOL

>>384123983
>You post the word "literally" 3 times in otherwise functioning sentences

And you're "literally" worse than Smash players who do everything you described

>>384129215
>People don't play these games because they don't have Mario, Zelda or Samus, plain and simple.
Not him but they don't play them because they are poorly marketed, the original arcade-born community are very difficult for outsiders to meld with and the scene now is full of African-Americans/Hispanic-Americans

>>384129110
you can enjoy a game in any way you want dude
i like playing super mario 64 to collect the stars
some people like speedrunning it
some people like completing levels in 0.5x A presses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A

ITT this thread is neo nintendoers
That is all it is.

They were not there in 2001 to play melee when ti first came out so they are upset.

Hey If I was a game dev

Id see this as a opportunity to make games great again! By adding some fun- AKA difficulty.

>>384129329
Ok kids who play flappybird and minecraft have difficulty.
the argument "nintendo games in [MODERN YEAR] do not have the depth that nintendo games in [YEARS OF YOU AS A CHILD]" has not been made

>>384126981
Right after you go back to r/kappa.

>Smashbabbies are literally underage 3rd worlders

Wew lad, not even worth staying in the thread.

>>384129540
>Hey If I was a game dev, Id see this as a opportunity to make games
Sorry, most third-worlder games flop pretty hard.

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>>384122971
>If you dont like it fuck off

>>384123983
>>Get referred to as "Stinky Time" by college campuses with active Smash groups and require "Stink Bouncers" at non-Smash events to ensure Smash players shower and wear deodorant.
source

>>384128908
because you flip flop between games being too hard for todays kids (while insisting that children prefer hard games) and games being made easy for adults (while insisting that adults are the ones that grew up playing these 'ideal' games). theres no fucking argument to be had with you because youre insane.

>>384122336
It's more Meleefags that are the problem.

>>384129006
Dark Souls is a fighting game.

>>384129465
>African-Americans/Hispanic-Americans
In Europe fighting games aren't like that, they are just as popular as ever -see Tekken- they just can't compete in terms of popularity with the big Nintendo IPs.

>>384129550
If you notice.
Towards to the second half of the video
The people were starting to get hooked with the game.
They saw this difficulty and challenge and took it head on as any human with a rational demeanor would. you see the relief when they get to the end of a level or the EXCITE MENT of beating a hard level.

That is something that is missing from modern games.
This is another reason why your argument is invalid and you choose to keep on bringing up stuff that is not really talking about the issue at hand.

>>384129853
You still have failed to defend your argument of "nintendo games in [MODERN YEAR] do not have the depth that nintendo games in [YEARS OF YOU AS A CHILD]"

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>>384129778
>Europe fighting games
And those games are not FIFA so Europeans won't buy them

>>384129935
I said it already but you do not accept my response.
The games have more depth because you have to try to actually complete things in games.

Now a days you do not have to.

>>384121360
Back in high school, I knew a trailer trash pot head who dedicated himself to Melee for a month and was able to wavedash circles around the rest of us for days. Jake is a faggot.

>>384130042
>I said it already
No you didn't. Nowhere ITT did you defend this nonsense argument of "nintendo games in [MODERN YEAR] do not have the depth that nintendo games in [YEARS OF YOU AS A CHILD]"

>>384129853
you literally have never played a modern nintendo game past the first couple hours. mario 3d land/world alone have very difficult levels and the fact that theyre behind ARGH EASY CONTENT means youll never play them and this fact probably upsets you.

>>384129663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1wkyDN0o5A

ITT:
>Super Mario Bros was hard because I was 3!
>Super Mario Bros U is easy because I am 30!
>That's Nintendo's fault!

>>384126502
>Wreck-It Ralph
fuck it I might turn on my TV for once, haven't seen that movie in a while

>>384130102
What do you want
A trophy for me saying what you want me to say?
Sounds that is exactly what you want?

I have answered you a few times if you cannot have a rebuttal back I consider this argument won and that the truth is the games from the past needed to be mastered and were handcrafted better because it challenged players to THE HIGHEST LEVEL of their skill to complete something.

If you see that as something that is bad to video games you either do not want video games to be a legitimate test of the human spirit.
You want games to be like movies instead of games.

there is 1000 problems with new games.

>>384121619
Well, he's not wrong.

>>384122759
>people who use facebook

>>384130456
i think he wants you to actually back up your argument with actual facts and/or rhetoric beyond OLD THINGS ARE BETTER BECAUSE I SAY SO (ignores evidence to the contrary). pretty silly defense if thats what you consider it to be!

>>384130368
ITT

>super mario brothers U is as challenging as super mario brothers

Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiBTMbJU2k&t=8s

This prooves you wrong
this was already in the thread
And you do not want to be wrong.
Record yourself
PLAYING nes games
and RECORD yourself playing neo nintendo

ACTUALLY
thats a good idea

ALL the nintendo execs should play the nes and side it right together to the WIIU

we will see them die so many more times then the wii u one where it is difficult for you to die.

>>384130456
>What do you want
Coherent sentences.
>I have answered you a few times
No, not once have you defended this argument
>"nintendo games in [MODERN YEAR] do not have the depth that nintendo games in [YEARS OF YOU AS A CHILD]"
>You want games to be like movies instead of games
No that's the opposite of what I want, you're delusional and retarded and unable to write English so now you resort to shitposting

>>384127336
Don't know about KoF specifically, but certain aspects that fighting games all over have adopted (a.k.a. influence) have appeared in SNK games if I call correctly.
>Super moves first appeared in Art of Fighting
>that little bar that one sees at the bottom that people know as a Super Bar First Appeared in Samurai Shodown (if you mean more specifically a bar in which at least a section is used for a super move then Art of Fighting)
>Running/dashing in fighting games first introduced in Samurai Shodown
>Fatal fury was the first to use the 2v1 format known as dramatic battle to street fighter alpha players
>fatal Fury was also the first fighting game one to have some dodge mechanic, in this game in the form of jumping back and forth between the foreground and background
>kof 94 was the first to use a 3v3 (although no tag) format which also happens to be the first one to have team battles
>first parries were in Samurai Shodown 2

>>384130679
You could test this out with this thesis right here
>>384130695

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>>384125407
>You have to play the same character every match

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>>384121360
>Still can't wavedash or L-cancel

This nigga is retarded, listen I love melee a lot and it is a fighting game no matter what you autist think. But Wavedashing is extremely simple even long wave dashing and changing wave dash length and L canceling is just pressing your shields before you land after an aerial. This kid should hang himself if he can't do these two.

>>384130695
>This prooves you wrong
In what way?

>>384129006
Dark souls is technically a fighting game too. Just people don't play it like that hard enough for it to be at EVO. Also because it's trash.

>>384130729
You want games to be more like movies anon.

You do not want games that test the skill of human beings and their reaction timing.

There should be games that do this because it was the selling point of 2 generations the nes and snes.

You are not giving me any rebuttal either and I am considering this a win for difficult games beating out games that you can beat in a hour.

I hate how the memes about the smash community are true. I went to a tourney at my uni and it was the worst fucking smell. The Wii U players just smelled like they hadn't showered in a week, the Melee players reeked of DUDE WEED

>>384130998
>Y-you want games to be more like movies!!
Ok, you're just shitposting

>>384125407
Why the fuck would ANYONE wanna join these fucking nazis?

>>384127127
This is almost as illegible as "has anyone really been far"

>>384130908
IF YOU ARE INVINCIBLE IN A GAME THEN YOU DO NOT NEED TO FUCKING TRY TO DO ANYTHING.

ALSO THERE IS LESS GOING ON IN THE SCREEN
THERE IS ALSO LESS SPEED
AND ALSO MORE ROOM FOR ERROR just from the video alone

the fuck is wrong with you are you stupid?

>>384125407
>no edgehogging
what the fuck is going on here, is it the filthiest casual club ever created or what

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>>384122971
>THAT FEEL WHEN when
is that what they teach you on the ssbm reddit circlejerk

>>384130960
Dark souls has the difficulty as a normal PSX game.

Dark Souls gets easy after you grind.

PSX games never got easier

>>384131016
>students at a uni smell like weed
SAY IT AIN'T SO

>>384128685
>I win
Debating is not a game, nor a competition. The fact that you consider it as a game/competition really show your mind set.

>>384131110
I've seen kids with downs who have cleaner chromosomes than you.

>>384131057
Thank you for not addressing the subject

You just are scared to play hard games.

>>384131235
That doesn't matter. You'd think you would have the fucking decency to clean yourself up before you go out in public

>>384125407
>Punchual
^o^

>>384131263
Well you are not really talking about the points that I have set up in a conversation. If you do not want to participate I am the victor of the argument.
Also I am getting personal attacks instead of people talking about the ideas that I presented in the thread.

They might not know the difference between the difficulties in the games and awkwardly try to defend the new games as difficult as the old.

If you do not see a change in difficulty I say you were not born till 1997

>>384131303
I am still waiting for a conversation talking about the difficulty of a game
Instead it is just personal attacks and the personal attacks usually happen when people are wrong and they are gasping at straws.

>>384131110
>the fuck is wrong with you are you stupid?
I'm not the one with incoherent posts, learn english, rethink your arguments and come back later

>>384129540
>ITT this thread is neo nintendoers
ITT Ad Hominem

>>384121360
Didn't the creator also say it's supposed to be a fun party game
and he said some stuff he could change if he wanted it to be a fighting game

>>384131565
Once again
No talk about the difficulty in games.

>>384131562
For a conversation to occur both participants must first speak the same language. Your poor english makes discussion impossible.

>>384131618
Yes.

>>384131190
>That gif
pure gold

>>384131629
>No talk about the difficulty in games.
This was already discussed.
>When you are a child: Game is difficult
>When you are an adult: Game is easy
There you go, now take this wisdom in peace friend.

>>384131569
>neo nintendoers the group of people who have flaws of their company exposed to their face and they get upset with the person presenting that information because they are in denial

>>384126502
ESPNU is also airing some stuff
pretty neat

>>384131797
Please for the love of god learn english before posting.

>>384130741
not exactly tag teaming but since kof 94 you could call your extra char to jump in an assist you, they would only jump in if they were on screen and you were dizzy on in one of tbose grab animations were you have to quickly press buttomz to break lose.
desperation moves were invented in art of fighting one.
the meter was either art of fighting of samurai showdown.
tag team, was introduced in either kizuna encounter or savage reign I forgot which.
dashes, run imtroduced im either samsho or art of fightimg.
destructible clothes, art of fighting
killong the oponent, samsho
counters was kof 94

>>384131110
I agree that the White Tanuki Suit is a retarded decision, but considering it ever showed up for anybody that means the game is fairly difficult.
It's stupid and shouldn't have been added, but to be fair it is optional. You don't have to pick up.

>>384123983
>FGC so cucked they can't do anything about it

The best part

>>384131691
Alright do you speak this language.
Old school nintendo games are better because they engage people more then their modern counter parts.


Now give me something back

I won this debate long ago and you still attack how i type I can type whatever whenever

>>384131618
He's also changed his position several times on several things and said in one interview that Melee was intentionally a complex game compared to 64. Does it really matter what his intentions are when he also intended people to have fun with tripping in Brawl?

>>384122336
>beeping and booping when they lose?
What?

>>384131942
>Old school nintendo games are better because they engage people more then their modern counter parts.
Incorrect, you were a child so they SEEMED more complex at the time. You still need to learn english though.

boy what a great thread this turned out to be

>>384131618
>the creator has full authority over how their game (developed 16 years ago) should be played
FGCucks truly are corporate cocksuckers, no wonder you let any decent fighting game die in favor of whatever new casual shit gets released

>>384131110
hey dude have u considered not using easy mode when the game offers it to you? when doom gave you 5 difficulty levels did you get really mad because you were forced to pick the "im a gay baby dont hurt me" option?

>>384131875
Uh yeah. You reiterated a bunch of the stuff I typed.

>>384126332
lmao
>i-it's not like I'm mad, I'm l-like your high school bully

>>384132195
I was just asking a question because I wasn't sure if I was remembering this right
I just thought it was strange that a party game is played competitively for money
Like I don't play it but how is it deep?

How many of you fucks have ever been to a tournament for any fighting game ever that wasn't a damn local at a Gamestop or some shit?

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>Smash
>A game whose competitive scene claims that glitch abuse and a very specific manufacturing defect in a controller are how the game was always "meant" to be played

>>384132575
Not in years. Back then it didn't need to be sponsored by huge corporations to be a good competition.

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>>384121360
Surprised this hasn't been posted, because fuck smash.

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But real talk, are FGC drones ever going to stop being butthurt about Melee at Evo? Seems like the same circlejerk about it in every thread.

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Competitive Smash is PVP speed running, not a fighting game.

>>384129110
>you have to play the game MY way or it's a PROBLEM
You're ten times as autistic as any smash player

>>384121360
>10,000 hours of Smash
>can't wavedash
>pick up Smash for a day at the request of my faggot friends
>ask them to show me what wavedashing is and how to do it
>can do it within 5 minutes of practice

Jesus christ Jake, get your shit together.

>>384132885
When all current games are shit or dead you have to focus on other people's success.

sounds like a generic faggot.

>>384127941
The white suit is a cheat but in a level with a lot of death pits it doesn't matter

>>384132885
When will you people realize that it's entirely streammonsters? Real tournament players either do not care or have been around long enough to respect the grassroots of Smash even if they don't particularly like the game. Smash 4 kiddos especially have zero idea what kind of growth fighting games have gotten because of not just streams, but fucking Youtube. Melee predates that, and during that time people were only exchanging clips or matches from fighting games on p2p programs.

New smash when

>>384128313
>Neo Nintendo since around twilight princess.
>Neo Nintendo needs to evolve or stagnation will kill it.
Its been going for over 10 years and its still not dead

>>384122336
It's Meleefags, not Nintendo or even Sm4shfags. Just Melee.

>>384132571
It has a deceptively high skill ceiling that most players just will never reach.

>>384128459
But old games did have a lot of artificial difficulty

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>>384123983
>Shits everywhere
>Smelly
>Underage
>Cries online about trivial bullshit
>Boo other games for no reason
>Makes up retarded terms and misuses accepted terms constantly
So Smash is literally the /v/ of fighting games?

>>384132816
>waaaaah if a game doesn't have upsets then it's bad
This post was never good, it was written by a casual retard and is reposted by casual retards.

>>384133506
Smash 4's only problem is that it's so fucking slow and boring, also it actually follows through with the kids game stereotype

>>384132571
It's one of those games where everyone thinks they are the best until they actually play someone good. Then they get stomped. Then that person gets stomped by someone else. Then that person gets stomped by someone else. Games with such skill ceiling are rare these days (GG was a great example of this yesterday), but ones with an easy skill floor are super fucking rare.

>>384123983
Imagine making things up and wasting time to write this because you don't like a video game.

>>384133651
Why did you post best VP character?

>>384133743
Because he is someone who is also literally /v/

>>384129408
If they only had quality games why are the 2 biggest mechanics in melee glitches

>>384132885
not a fighting game
>>384133135
they should form their own organization

>>384129540
Games aren't automatically fun because there hard there needs to be a balance

>>384133656
t. casual retard
when theres nothing for the playerbase to learn and the disconnect between the casual player and the tournament player is 10 years wide, your game is garbage. if i watch sc(when it existed as an esport lol)/dota/lol/csgo/sf im always learning new things from the players. what is there to learn from watching smash?

>>384134008
They run their own events and survive entirely without prize pools being bumped by parent companies. Smash has a looooooooooooooooong history of being played as a side event at EVO and Melee was there years ago as well. The only people upset are streammonsters.

>>384122971
is this fresh pasta or is it a genuine summer post?

>>384131218
In Castlevania sotn you could grind for certain weapons that turn the game into a cake walk

>>384133742
Imagine everyone immediately believing those things without any questions just because they want to believe.

Smash is one of my favorites series yet I just gag when I see the shit these hardcore smashers pull off. Its all pretty bad but melee clearly has it the worst.

>>384134179
You really are a casual retard if you think you can't learn anything from watching the game just because the top 4 has remained unchanged. But the truth is it has nothing to do with learning about the game, you're just a spectator-only faggot with drool leaking out of his mouth that can only find himself entertained by underdogs causing epic hype upsets because he's too shit at the game to appreciate any of the subtleties of the highest level of play.

>>384127485
Old games were hard because you were 5 years old at the time.

>>384133656
The fuck are you talking about? It's more complaining that competitive Melee has literally boiled down to:

>Fox/Falco/Capt. Falcon
>Battleground
>No Items
>Wavedashing

as the sure-fire way to beat any and all comers. It's very much a game that found the single way to play. It would be like you found out that in CvS2, a Ratio 4 Sagat was 95% unbeatable by everyone but another Ratio 4 Sagat or a Ration 4 Bloody Iori. No one would give a shit about watching matches with it anymore because they know that all the best players are going to be the same 2 characters.

competitive gaming was a mistake

>>384132885
You mean Meleefags trash talking 4, right?

>>384135323
>Battleground

Jesus christ FGCfags don't ever pretend you know anything about Melee, this is pathetic.

>>384133742
Some of those things are actually true though, so it's not all false

>>384135323
>Capt. Falcon
>Battleground
what?

>>384135807
>>384135993
Oh, I'm sorry; did Melee-fags really roll it back to the meme of "Fox Only, No Items, Final Destination"?

Because you're still proving their points. Who the fuck wants to see the same 5 guys play the exact same character on the exact same stage for nearly 20 years?

>>384136232
>I've never watched competitive Melee

Got it.

>>384136327
Alright then, name the 5 mains that always make it to the finals.

>>384135985
Here's the ones that I can confirm

>Smell like piss, shit, and BO.
>Complain about finals not being prime time or having finals on Saturday instead of Sunday.
>Smell like godawful pee and poo.
>Gloat about viewership numbers.
>Demand crazy things from TOs, like Spoongebob SquarePants CRTs for "handwarmies."
>Make up retarded vernacular of terms despite equivalent terms existing for literally decades prior.
>Just have an absolutely nasty funk from lack of showering, and changing clothes/underwear.
>Complain about station count despite requiring CRTs.
>Jam 10+ people in a single hotel room like transients, and wreck it.
>Smell like crap.
>Have grievances, and air complaints on social media instead of discussing then privately with TOs.
>Have worse Evo Top-8 in history resulting in a retard rolling around on the ground, crying.
>Boo other games for no reason.

So most of it is true, I can confirm

>>384136485
Mains? Usually GF has either a Fox, Marth, Peach, Falco, Puff, Ice Climbers or Sheik. If we are lucky you could get a Falcon, Pikachu, Samus or Luigi.

>>384121360
Damn, Eric going in dry.

>>384135323
Melee being a solved game is my favorite meme from FGCucks, you're proving that you are indeed a casual retard. Peach, the character Armada used to win EVO, is 6th on the tier list at best, and most certainly is not unbeatable by all but two characters.

>>384136232
>FD is mostly a counterpick
>Top 5 were Peach, Fox, Jigglypuff, Marth, and Sheik
I mean, I guess? Do you want them to turn on items and crank the RNG?

>>384136913
Honestly, yes.
This whole "items are too unpredictable" nonsense has always soundly like the competitive scene didn't want to put in the work to figure out how to actually incorporate them into competitive play. And I'm not meaning shit like Hammers or Bomb-ombs. It doesn't seem like it would be IMPOSSIBLE to figure out which weapons could easily mesh with the characters to shake up the tiers. And it would honestly make Smash a truly unique fighting game.

I resent Melee because the club I went to in highschool slowly devolved into "Melee Club" where everyone were tryhards that actually did that Fox/Falco only, no items, final destination crap.

>>384137450
LOL
FGCfags literal cucks

>>384136913
>Do you want them to turn on items and crank the RNG?

>game has built in shit like controller port advantage
>thinks it's competitive because they remove items

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>>384121360
Competitive Smash Bros is straight up cancer
>Sm4sh E3's reveal
>Boring tournament to watch
>Best part was were casual played the game and actually had fun with the game
>The final was a fucking Kirby just jumping in the middle of the stage for 30 seconds

I also hate this community for their vision of "true competitive smash" were they leave 90% of the content out of the game because balance. Bitch, if you have to leave almost all the content out of your game, then the game is not meant to be competitive at all.

>>384137551
>game has built in shit like controller port advantage
What?

>>384137386
You know, you raise a good point. Obviously items like the Hammer or the Invicibility Star are way too overpowered, but I don't see how things like the lightsaber, the traps or the food couldn't be incorporated into competitive play

smash bros is absolutely a fighting game

It's just not one that was ever intended for tournament play, which is why it fucking has stage hazards, items, power ups and up to four players per match.

>>384137551
>controller port advantage
I've never heard of that what is it?

>>384137707
Not Kirby, ZSS

>>384138190
No, ZSS was on top of the platform. Kirby was just jumping the in the middle of the stage, not a single Up B was used, he didn't even tried to attack ZSS for like 30 seconds. Fucking boring.

>>384122336
I don't know, they are actually worse than metroidfags. Never seen a more autistic Nintendo fandom.

There any good cringe compilations of smash players?

>>384137763
>>384137386
You silly fucks. Items used to not be banned in Melee's lifetime. Do you know why they got banned? Random spawns. Okay so let's just turn off the really huge stuff like stars. Well you can't turn off exploding capsules. This is all ignoring the whole "giving someone a free advantage for nothing" is retarded. If items had set spawn points and times, it would be different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EFx0-Zkn54

why do you fags care so much about this stupid bullshit

>>384138790
Sounds like cowardice on the part of the competitive players. A single exploding capsule or beam saber shouldn't be enough to suddenly turn the tables so dramatically. Especially if you have items turned to low.

>>384137746
>>384138065
It really only affects grabs and teams play. If two characters grab at the same time, the higher controller port wins. It also affects who gets messed up when two characters get hit when one is grabbing another. They affect where you spawn on the stage at the start of the match as well, but it's less of a big deal. All of those are basically nonissues and not even RNG. If you care enough, you can RPS for controller port and doubles is done with 14 and 23 so both teams have equal chance of having a better port.

>>384138968
>Doing a combo against a low percent opponent while having high percent
>Capsule spawns where you're about to produce a hitbox
>Explodes and takes your stock
Why not skip the rush and play Janken?

>>384138968
>have a stock taken from you instantly
>not suddenly turning the tables
This shit used to happen. There was a case of a Marth losing because a capsule spawned as he fsmashed and it killed him. There was nothing he could do. This was tested in tournament play and highly debated. If you want to run items tournaments, you are more than welcome to.

If smash bros isn't a fighting game, what genre IS it in? You fucking gatekeepers never are able to answer this.

>>384133742
It's true aside from the CEO shit in pools thing though?
Chris Medina and John Lugo both admitted to molesting female players.
Big House 4 and now many other venues employ a "Stink Bouncer" for Smash players, and even Leffen has gone on Twitter saying most Smash players smell unbearably bad. There are even guides on hygiene on Smashboards as well as links on tournament promotional inserts, and there was a college library that literally dreaded Smash locals because of how awful they smelled.
Even the stupid Spoongebob CRT thing is true.

>>384123983
Yep. Even yesterday at fucking Evo you could smell those fucking Smashers and they fucking stink.

>>384138790
>Items are obviously turned on high
>Star was still on
>Not being fast enough to catch a capsule in mid air
>Acting like a thrown capsule is any different than any other projectile

Come on, son. That video's not helping.

>>384139316
Party game.

>>384139939
>video shows one player getting a huge free advantage
>NUH MAN
And I'm referring to capsules spawning in while you are doing attacks, not throwing them. Sorry I don't want to fish for footage of that happening when you should understand the possibility of it happening based on that video alone. They were tested. They were debated. They lost in the community because people don't want to lose to RNG when they put money on the line.

And once again, nothing is stopping you from being a TO and running events with items-on.

>>384140180
Not specific enough. Genres are based on shared characteristics, where "party game" just seems like a convenient genre autists can throw games that they reject from other genres into.

>>384140223
I'm just saying, this all sounds like a bunch of excuses that could have been worked around had the Melee scene not been a bunch of cowards who want the safest possible play.

>>384140223
Oh wait, the video DOES show someone getting blown up by a capsule that spawns while they are doing an attack. Defend that. And no, you can't turn that off. Even if you manually turn off all items but keep items set to low/med/high, exploding capsules will spawn

>>384140347
No, it's a party game like Mario Party.

>>384140425
You've offered zero evidence of this, dumb fuck.
>I'm just saying tiers don't exist, if players just tried harder with characters they'd all be equal
This is what you sound like.

>>384140441
Git Gud

>>384121360
>Not a fighting game
Lmao, they're even this autistic in real life?

>>384140347
>party games are a made-up genre
>What are Mario Party, Jack-Box games, console Wario-Ware games, and most "kiddie" multiplayer games

>>384122336
>start beeping and booping when they lose?
WHAT

THE

FUCK

IS

HE

TALKING

ABOUT

>>384121360
Smash is literally the sjw-tumblr-safe space of e-sports

Everything that offends me (can't deal with) must be banned

>>384125407

thank god they will never breed

>>384140713
>thinking that those are tournament players

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>>384140775

>thinking any melee fag will ever breed

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>>384121360
this is LITERALLY on the front page of r/kappa RIGHT NOW

GO BACK

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/6nkpw5/had_a_good_laugh_seeing_this/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=hot&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Kappa

>>384125784
I miss Soul Calibur so much

>>384133742
Most of those are true though.

>>384140832
Mango has a kid

>>384140832
Mang0 has a child. You're trying to throw shade while posting idols on a Mongolian Silkworm-Breed forum.

>>384133742
I will chime in and say that the whole BO/Stink thing is pretty accurate. I'm guessing all the top players shower just like normal people but they are like a fraction of a percent of the people at those events.

I went to one event (don't remember the name but it was like a medium-sized one) to go see my friend who plays smash. I shit you not, as soon as I opened the door a literal blast of funky warm air blasted me. And when I say "literal" I do actually mean "not metaphorical." I don't think they had any windows open at all and they never kept the doors open either. It was fucking rank.
Semi-related: I did go for each day of the event (this friend is out-of-state so it was my only opportunity to go see him) and I'd say about 25% of the people there wore the same clothes the whole event.

>>384140541
No, I'm saying that the tiers would be completely different if items were on. There's no doubt in my mind that there are characters that would both move up AND move down in the tiers if items were on. The entire "no items" thing is literally Melee players not wanting to put in the effort to figure out how to use them in a real competitive setting. Which is strange for a scene that relies almost entirely on a glitch as a gatekeeping tool.

You can get mad all you want about it, but the "no items" thing has always come of as either cowardly, lazy, or an attempt to pretend that Smash Bros was always suppose to be a Street Fighter-style fighting game.

>>384140832

>liking boy asses

whatever floats yer boat m80

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>>384140832
she winked at me

>>384140940
You go with him.

>>384122971
Fuck off meleefag

>>384140832
Mango already has a kid.

>>384140940
Figures that these kids are just ledditors.

>>384140940
Who's Eric Martinez anyway

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>>384140940
Even reddit's handgestures are disgusting and casual.

>>384140940
>People think that reply is savage
Literally autism all around the fighting genre, huh? Stop posting reddit faggot

>>384141097
Do you lack reading comprehension? That's the level of reason you're displaying-- that tiers don't exist because laziness or effort or something. You still have not refuted what they are to do about exploding capsules spawning while they are attacking. Please, do tell.

>>384121360
>standing 720's and charge partitioning like no problem
>can't do an L-cancel

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>>384125784
>being this retarded
You're probably why Soul Calibur is dead.

>>384125686
Melee has to get played on CRTs because modern monitors have noticeable input lag. Handwarmers is just 30s-1m of both players warming up. Making sure the controller is good, making sure everything is above board.

I just watched the chris v ryan grand finals and if you think thats more exciting than melee idk what to do for you. I literally watched a man jump into the sky and spam zone aerials to win a grand finals.

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>>384141727
He's clearly memeing, anon. Neither are hard.

>>384121360
I can't believe 4 years on the melee community continues to peak yearly as a disgraceful community

>>384141447
You're making it sound like exploding capsules have an appearance rate of over 50%, which they obviously don't. The tiers as they exist now are the result of competitive players COMPLETELY taking an aspect of the game out. Which makes about as much sense as making a tier listing for another fighting game, but you're not allowed to use you Supers.

And as far as this "exploding capsules spawning in the middle of an attack" (which, at this point feels like a sort of boogeyman) sounds like you're expecting people to believe that this is an event that has been proven to happen with enough frequency to ruin ALL matches with items. Which even casual observation will tell you is not true. I have to ask; HAS the competitive seen actually worked out how often this might occur?

>>384142302
Even then, explosive capsule appearing when attacking is only an issue of control. Play more cautiously if that's an issue.

>>384142302
>And as far as this "exploding capsules spawning in the middle of an attack" (which, at this point feels like a sort of boogeyman) sounds like you're expecting people to believe that this is an event that has been proven to happen with enough frequency to ruin ALL matches with items.
While I love playing with items on maximum, this happens extremely often. I assume that the item spawning code takes the player position into account when spawning items. God knows how often I've killed myself or my opponent by hitting a Bob-om or exploding capsule that just spawned inside my attack.

A tournament setting with items would be extremely luck depending and some matches would be decided purely on luck. Even if the chance of that happening is low, it will happen and someone who was winning will lose purely to dumb luck.

>>384142302
Does the alpha 3 ruleset allow for custom characters? That's in the game.
What about Galactus on MvC3? He's a character.
What about Gems on SFxTk? Anyone can do it so it's fair.

>>384142302
It happening once in bracket is too much, schlomo. It doesn't have to ruin ALL matches with items to ruin a bracket or tournament. You've got a very unpopular opinion because it has no data supporting it, just your retarded opinions and feelings. I don't care how you feel. Nobody does. You've not put up a single compelling argument.

>>384141883
isnt that called a button check or something in non-smash fighting games?